Re: Scripting what should be a simple loop...
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 11:37 AM, David C. davidoco...@gmail.com wrote: Column1--corresponds to-Field1--corresponds to---tVar1-- is used by. etc Of course there's no reason you couldn't col1 - original data fCol1 - field lfCol1 - label field bCol1 - button tCol1 - temp var lCol1 - script local var gCol1 - global var cCol1 - custom prop makes the dynamic movement of data from one object to another very easy - especially when using arrays - and mantains a solid association of where the data came from. Reduces the chance of naming conflicts. HTH ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Scripting what should be a simple loop...
On 07/10/2010 02:23 AM, David C. wrote: Good grief! Will someone be so kind as to show me the proper way to format my script... 'the proper way . . . Um; that is slightly funny as, unlike Fortran IV (what a pain it was) there is no strict set of rules as to how to format a script. This is both RunRev's strength and its weakness; insofar as there are multiple solutions to almost everything. Let's say I have the following 1 group named AllFields containing: 10 text fields, named Field1...Field10 10 temporary variables named tVar1...tVar10 All I want to do, using a loop, is to put the user supplied data contained in each field into the corresponding, like-named variable. I thought I could do something easy like this All I want is a room with a view . . . (mind you, from what I know of lunatic asylums, not many of them have cells with nice views). Let's see: 1. Ugh: 'repeat for i = 1 to 10' throws a bluey. Oh, bu**er, I had forgotten that the Linux version of RunRev 4.0 has a serious SLOWNESS problem with the Dictionary; half a mo; turning on the Mac - boy, do I miss Bill Marriott. Well, talk about bloody silly; here I am progging with RunRev on the Linux box while consulting the RunRev dictionary on the Mac . . . :) Ahah: 2. repeat WITH . . . . THAT could make all the difference: I'm off back to my padded cell. repeat for i = 1 to 10 put fld Field i of grp AllFields into tVar i end repeat I know that I've done this before, but so far I've yet to find the right format that will not cause an error when compiling the script -and- would greatly appreciate it if some kind soul would rescue me from this madness. Well; if it gives you any comfort at all (which it won't), yesterday I had a battle as the script editor kept telling me a rather long and winding script (about 500 lines) was alright everytime I compiled it. However, when I tried to run the script it threw a bluey and opened the script editor in that rather unhelpful way where it marks the problem but doesn't allow you to edit it. Just to make you feel even cosier; I find your script extremely difficult to understand; not because there is anything at all intrinsically wrong with it, but because my scripting method / style is totally different. This is what I meant up the top there: RunRev can be used by lots of folk, all with highly individualised scripting styles - thus allowing great flexibility and folk who are not naturally computery to get up and running remarkably quickly. What is also means is that when it comes time for somebody to edit the scripts of the RunRev genius who went bonkers and is now locked up in a secure unit, they cannot get anywhere at all; or, prior to worrying about the algorhythmic aspects of the code they have to spend an awful long time working out how the genius's mind worked vis-a-vis programming. FWIW, I recently had another fifty-something birthday, so I'm blaming it all on an increasing case of dementia. As in: Dementia (meaning deprived of mind) is a serious loss of cognitive ability in a previously unimpaired person, beyond what might be expected from normal ... Well; speaking as a relative baby (48 last February) I ca cheerfully say: 1. My short term memory is already half-rotted. 2. I cannot tell you much about what is termed long-term memory as I don't seem to have one beyond a series of oft-repeated anecdotes which drive my teenage sons up the wall. 3. Having suffered from an element of creative insanity all my life a bit of loss of cognitive ability might not necessarily be all bad . . . :) So long and thanks for all the fish. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Scripting what should be a simple loop...
David and Mark, Yet, repeat for each rules. Whether using arrays is faster than using regular variables depends on whether your repeat loop is written smartly. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce On 10 jul 2010, at 06:33, Mark Wieder wrote: Well, it's not regular variables that are the issue here. An array is *MUCH* faster than a do statement. Do statements are very slow, and I only use them sparingly and when there's no alternative. But when you gotta, you gotta. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] G4 goes West
On 07/10/2010 05:10 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Jeff Reynoldsj...@siphonophore.comwrote: you might want to think about grabbing a little temperature probe. This might be an easier option: http://www.bresink.de/osx/0TemperatureMonitor/issues.html I have been using this for about 3-4 years; that is how I realised that things were 'cooking'. Certainly on the G4 MDD is gives readings for the Hard Drives and the CPU; which is quite enough to set you worrying without any other probes, readings or what-have-you. note the hardware support for older models is trial and error. Not for the G4, but I also recommend this for any modern Mac portable owner, including the Mac Mini: http://www.eidac.de/?p=134 Just prior to rendering video I start this up and have it set to 4000 rpm, which gives the fan a head start on the inevitable heat rise. Both are free :-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Scripting what should be a simple loop...
Hello Bob, Sarah, Mark, Alex, Scott, Kay, Very good lesson !!! Yes ! Better than documentation ! It is a good example for witch I appreciate How to use Revolution I imagine that many silent readers appreciate like me and I thank you on their behalf... PS : pity not have English lessons like that :-( Le 10 juil. 2010 à 06:33, Mark Wieder a écrit : Well, it's not regular variables that are the issue here. An array is *MUCH* faster than a do statement. Do statements are very slow, and I only use them sparingly and when there's no alternative. But when you gotta, you gotta. After a post last weeks I replace all do statements with other solutions in scripts of Exagofon, one my actual project, 2 working days :-( ... but all is better :-) Bon souvenir de Paris René___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: (DataGrid) is there a message when the user has edited a cell ?
Bonjour TheSlug, Great help and learning for me! I just played with your demo stack! Magnifique ;-)) Thank you very much for your time and for sharing your high knowledge about data grid! very much appreciated. Seems you are the best as for Data Grid (after Trevor ;-O))) I am a bit pigheaded so I tried your solution 1 in a data grid without template stack (in a new stack, a copy of group DataGrid of group Templates of stack revDataGridLibrary). I put the 3 handlers: getprop uSumOfColumn[pColumn], on doSum and on CloseFieldEditor pFieldEditor into the script of the data grid. And all is working nicely :-) So, seems I still can keep my current data grids in the app. I am making. Thanks again and have a nice week-end André Le 9 juil. 10 à 21:29, zryip theSlug a écrit : You forget nothing André, but I have forget something in my previous script! ;) In fact the new value edited in a cell will be updated in the data of the column after the execution of the closeFieldEditor. So when we execute the sum, the uSumOfColumn will take the old value of the cell, not the update value. AH! OK For doing the task I propose two solutions : 1) Doing the sum outside the closeFieldEditor In the script of the DataGrid, add this handler on doSum set the text of fld fldTotSum1_1 to the uSumOfColumn[Sum 1] of the dgControl of me set the text of fld fldTotSum2_1 to the uSumOfColumn[Sum 2] of the dgControl of me end doSum In the behavior of the two columns update the closeFieldEditor like this: on CloseFieldEditor pFieldEditor send doSum to the dgControl of me in 0 secs end CloseFieldEditor Note we have to send the doSum event with a delay to execute the sum in time ;). 2) For doing the sum inside the CloseFieldEditor we have to store the value of the column in the data of the column ourself. For doing that, update the closeFieldEditor like this: on CloseFieldEditor pFieldEditor ## This part of the script store the new value of the cell in the data put the dgIndex of me into theIndex put the dgDataOfIndex[theIndex] of the dgControl of me into theDataA put the text of pFieldEditor into theDataA[the dgColumn of me] set the dgDataOfIndex[theIndex] of the dgControl of me to theDataA ## This part of the script update the sums set the text of fld fldTotSum1_2 to the uSumOfColumn[Sum 1] of the dgControl of me set the text of fld fldTotSum2_2 to the uSumOfColumn[Sum 2] of the dgControl of me end CloseFieldEditor To answer a question I missed from you, the pFieldEditor contains a reference to the cell in edition in the grid. Its like a field if you prefer, and you can read the current value in it. It could be only a cell in edition in a Grid. To simplify the experiment, I create a small demo stack. Be free to play with it and use the scripts for your own needs ;) You can download the sum stack by following this link: exp 012_sum_in_dg.rev.ziphttp://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_phocadownloadview=categorydownload=5:experiment-012-doing-sum-in-a-data-gridid=1:developers-tricksItemid=63 Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Scripting what should be a simple loop...
On 07/10/2010 11:49 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: David and Mark, Yet, repeat for each rules. Whether using arrays is faster than using regular variables depends on whether your repeat loop is written smartly. Quite; but that looks a bit like circular logic. Everytime I have to write some sort of loop I get out the plastic cups and the beads and play with them on the floor (preferably with a cup of coffee and some music) until I find what I would term the most economical way of doing things. So; prior to writing anything smartly one has to work out the 'smartist' logic; if you are incredibly good at abstractions you can do that mentally; if not you can do it with a pencil and paper, or with cups and beads - whatever works for you. LEGO is also quite effective. Then; having worked out one's model; one has to represent it in code. If one's model has already been worked out (squares and arrows on paper, cups and beads on the floor, circles and lines on a blackboard) visually it is, generally, easier to track where things go wrong with one's code by comparing it with one's physical model. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Scripting what should be a simple loop...
I like Richmond's disillusioned vision of life ! ;-) René Le 10 juil. 2010 à 10:45, Richmond a écrit : On 07/10/2010 02:23 AM, David C. wrote: Good grief! Will someone be so kind as to show me the proper way to format my script... 'the proper way . . . Um; that is slightly funny as, unlike Fortran IV (what a pain it was) there is no strict set of rules as to how to format a script. This is both RunRev's strength and its weakness; insofar as there are multiple solutions to almost everything. Let's say I have the following 1 group named AllFields containing: 10 text fields, named Field1...Field10 10 temporary variables named tVar1...tVar10 All I want to do, using a loop, is to put the user supplied data contained in each field into the corresponding, like-named variable. I thought I could do something easy like this All I want is a room with a view . . . (mind you, from what I know of lunatic asylums, not many of them have cells with nice views). Let's see: 1. Ugh: 'repeat for i = 1 to 10' throws a bluey. Oh, bu**er, I had forgotten that the Linux version of RunRev 4.0 has a serious SLOWNESS problem with the Dictionary; half a mo; turning on the Mac - boy, do I miss Bill Marriott. Well, talk about bloody silly; here I am progging with RunRev on the Linux box while consulting the RunRev dictionary on the Mac . . . :) Ahah: 2. repeat WITH . . . . THAT could make all the difference: I'm off back to my padded cell. repeat for i = 1 to 10 put fld Field i of grp AllFields into tVar i end repeat I know that I've done this before, but so far I've yet to find the right format that will not cause an error when compiling the script -and- would greatly appreciate it if some kind soul would rescue me from this madness. Well; if it gives you any comfort at all (which it won't), yesterday I had a battle as the script editor kept telling me a rather long and winding script (about 500 lines) was alright everytime I compiled it. However, when I tried to run the script it threw a bluey and opened the script editor in that rather unhelpful way where it marks the problem but doesn't allow you to edit it. Just to make you feel even cosier; I find your script extremely difficult to understand; not because there is anything at all intrinsically wrong with it, but because my scripting method / style is totally different. This is what I meant up the top there: RunRev can be used by lots of folk, all with highly individualised scripting styles - thus allowing great flexibility and folk who are not naturally computery to get up and running remarkably quickly. What is also means is that when it comes time for somebody to edit the scripts of the RunRev genius who went bonkers and is now locked up in a secure unit, they cannot get anywhere at all; or, prior to worrying about the algorhythmic aspects of the code they have to spend an awful long time working out how the genius's mind worked vis-a-vis programming. FWIW, I recently had another fifty-something birthday, so I'm blaming it all on an increasing case of dementia. As in: Dementia (meaning deprived of mind) is a serious loss of cognitive ability in a previously unimpaired person, beyond what might be expected from normal ... Well; speaking as a relative baby (48 last February) I ca cheerfully say: 1. My short term memory is already half-rotted. 2. I cannot tell you much about what is termed long-term memory as I don't seem to have one beyond a series of oft-repeated anecdotes which drive my teenage sons up the wall. 3. Having suffered from an element of creative insanity all my life a bit of loss of cognitive ability might not necessarily be all bad . . . :) So long and thanks for all the fish. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: (DataGrid) is there a message when the user has edited a cell ?
2010/7/10 Andre.Bisseret andre.bisse...@inria.fr Bonjour TheSlug, Bonjour André ;) Great help and learning for me! I just played with your demo stack! Magnifique ;-)) Thank you very much for your time and for sharing your high knowledge about data grid! very much appreciated. You're welcome, my pleasure 8-) Seems you are the best as for Data Grid (after Trevor ;-O))) Hum, a too red slug will be an easiest target for shovels, so I can't accept the compliment. But thank you ;) Trevor is definitively the man here. Preferable to say that I have read a lot of his lessons and I have now a good understanding how Data Grid working ;) I am a bit pigheaded so I tried your solution 1 in a data grid without template stack (in a new stack, a copy of group DataGrid of group Templates of stack revDataGridLibrary). I put the 3 handlers: getprop uSumOfColumn[pColumn], on doSum and on CloseFieldEditor pFieldEditor into the script of the data grid. And all is working nicely :-) So, seems I still can keep my current data grids in the app. I am making. Great! Thanks again and have a nice week-end Have a nice week-end too! 8-) André Le 9 juil. 10 à 21:29, zryip theSlug a écrit : You forget nothing André, but I have forget something in my previous script! ;) In fact the new value edited in a cell will be updated in the data of the column after the execution of the closeFieldEditor. So when we execute the sum, the uSumOfColumn will take the old value of the cell, not the update value. AH! OK For doing the task I propose two solutions : 1) Doing the sum outside the closeFieldEditor In the script of the DataGrid, add this handler on doSum set the text of fld fldTotSum1_1 to the uSumOfColumn[Sum 1] of the dgControl of me set the text of fld fldTotSum2_1 to the uSumOfColumn[Sum 2] of the dgControl of me end doSum In the behavior of the two columns update the closeFieldEditor like this: on CloseFieldEditor pFieldEditor send doSum to the dgControl of me in 0 secs end CloseFieldEditor Note we have to send the doSum event with a delay to execute the sum in time ;). 2) For doing the sum inside the CloseFieldEditor we have to store the value of the column in the data of the column ourself. For doing that, update the closeFieldEditor like this: on CloseFieldEditor pFieldEditor ## This part of the script store the new value of the cell in the data put the dgIndex of me into theIndex put the dgDataOfIndex[theIndex] of the dgControl of me into theDataA put the text of pFieldEditor into theDataA[the dgColumn of me] set the dgDataOfIndex[theIndex] of the dgControl of me to theDataA ## This part of the script update the sums set the text of fld fldTotSum1_2 to the uSumOfColumn[Sum 1] of the dgControl of me set the text of fld fldTotSum2_2 to the uSumOfColumn[Sum 2] of the dgControl of me end CloseFieldEditor To answer a question I missed from you, the pFieldEditor contains a reference to the cell in edition in the grid. Its like a field if you prefer, and you can read the current value in it. It could be only a cell in edition in a Grid. To simplify the experiment, I create a small demo stack. Be free to play with it and use the scripts for your own needs ;) You can download the sum stack by following this link: exp 012_sum_in_dg.rev.zip http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_phocadownloadview=categorydownload=5:experiment-012-doing-sum-in-a-data-gridid=1:developers-tricksItemid=63 -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Scripting what should be a simple loop...
Richmond, I'm not sure to appreciated your humor. However, with less talent and other circumstances, I had probably write something similar somewhere in the net, so I forgive you for this time. 2010/7/10 Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com On 07/10/2010 11:49 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: David and Mark, Yet, repeat for each rules. Whether using arrays is faster than using regular variables depends on whether your repeat loop is written smartly. Quite; but that looks a bit like circular logic. Everytime I have to write some sort of loop I get out the plastic cups and the beads and play with them on the floor (preferably with a cup of coffee and some music) until I find what I would term the most economical way of doing things. So; prior to writing anything smartly one has to work out the 'smartist' logic; if you are incredibly good at abstractions you can do that mentally; if not you can do it with a pencil and paper, or with cups and beads - whatever works for you. LEGO is also quite effective. Then; having worked out one's model; one has to represent it in code. If one's model has already been worked out (squares and arrows on paper, cups and beads on the floor, circles and lines on a blackboard) visually it is, generally, easier to track where things go wrong with one's code by comparing it with one's physical model. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Scripting what should be a simple loop...
Column1--corresponds to-Field1--corresponds to---tVar1-- is used by. etc Of course there's no reason you couldn't col1 - original data fCol1 - field lfCol1 - label field bCol1 - button tCol1 - temp var lCol1 - script local var gCol1 - global var cCol1 - custom prop makes the dynamic movement of data from one object to another very easy - especially when using arrays - and mantains a solid association of where the data came from. Reduces the chance of naming conflicts. Thank you Kay, that is very helpful. I've read Richard and Ken's scripting guide at least twice and understand the benefits of using a consistent naming convention, but failed largely at implementing it for this project. You've provided a very nice visual reminder of just how much easier it can be. Much appreciated. The what if thought for this project originated some 4-5 years ago, and I've spent plenty of time and frustration trying to build it using three or four lower level languages along the way, and it is by far the most complex project I've attempted to date. Sadly enough, I had a Rev Studio license at the time, but didn't get serious about using it for this project up until recently. :( Even having planned much of it out on paper, using circles, arrows and glossy photos (Woody Guthrie reference), I actually avoided getting started working in earnest due to the complexity factor. For whatever reason, one morning out of the blue I just sat down and began to get after it. Unfortunately, somewhere in the midst of the complexity, all of the forethought and planning gave way to a shooting from the hip style of coding. Thanks for the reminder. Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Scripting what should be a simple loop...
On 07/10/2010 12:52 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:
Richmond, I'm not sure to appreciated your humor.
However, with less talent and other circumstances, I had probably write
something similar somewhere in the net, so I forgive you for this time.
2010/7/10 Richmondrichmondmathew...@gmail.com
On 07/10/2010 11:49 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
David and Mark,
Yet, repeat for each rules. Whether using arrays is faster than using
regular variables depends on whether your repeat loop is written smartly.
Quite; but that looks a bit like circular logic.
Everytime I have to write some sort of loop I get out the plastic cups and
the beads
and play with them on the floor (preferably with a cup of coffee and some
music)
until I find what I would term the most economical way of doing things.
So; prior to writing anything smartly one has to work out the 'smartist'
logic;
if you are incredibly good at abstractions you can do that mentally; if not
you
can do it with a pencil and paper, or with cups and beads - whatever works
for you. LEGO is also quite effective.
Then; having worked out one's model; one has to represent it in code.
If one's model has already been worked out (squares and arrows on paper,
cups and beads on the floor, circles and lines on a blackboard) visually it
is, generally, easier to track where things go wrong with one's code by
comparing it with one's physical model.
___
That may appear a joke to you!
HOWEVER: I do often play around with beads and cups on the floor; it really
does help me with conceptualising what I am trying to do on a computer.
About 35 years ago, a brilliant Maths master at my school taught us
MINIFORTRAN
without benefit of a computer (our punch cards were sent to Imperial
College in London
where my cousin Stephen Mathewson:
http://sim.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/23/6/181 )
organised things. As 13 year old who had never seen a computer, nor had
a clue about logic
his attempt at getting us to understand flow charts ('How to boil an
egg' as far as I remember)
was doomed to failure (perhaps because most of us couldn't boil an egg
to save our lives).
So, this brilliant man, helped us understand with plastic yoghurt pots
and off-cuts of wood from
the woodwork classroom.
My only regret is that I have no way of knowing where the man we called
Bonehead Barker
is now, or, even, if he is still alive, so that I can send him a little
something by way of a thank you
for all the help he has given me.
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Re: Scripting what should be a simple loop...
On 07/10/2010 01:00 PM, David C. wrote: Column1--corresponds to-Field1--corresponds to---tVar1-- is used by. etc Of course there's no reason you couldn't col1 - original data fCol1 - field lfCol1 - label field bCol1 - button tCol1 - temp var lCol1 - script local var gCol1 - global var cCol1 - custom prop makes the dynamic movement of data from one object to another very easy - especially when using arrays - and mantains a solid association of where the data came from. Reduces the chance of naming conflicts. Thank you Kay, that is very helpful. I've read Richard and Ken's scripting guide at least twice and understand the benefits of using a consistent naming convention, but failed largely at implementing it for this project. You've provided a very nice visual reminder of just how much easier it can be. Much appreciated. The what if thought for this project originated some 4-5 years ago, and I've spent plenty of time and frustration trying to build it using three or four lower level languages along the way, and it is by far the most complex project I've attempted to date. Sadly enough, I had a Rev Studio license at the time, but didn't get serious about using it for this project up until recently. :( Even having planned much of it out on paper, using circles, arrows and glossy photos (Woody Guthrie reference), I actually avoided getting started working in earnest due to the complexity factor. For whatever reason, one morning out of the blue I just sat down and began to get after it. Unfortunately, somewhere in the midst of the complexity, all of the forethought and planning gave way to a shooting from the hip style of coding. Thanks for the reminder. The 'Magic Moment', the intuitive flash often wipes the circles and arrows clean away; but I often find that the magic moment doesn't happen until I have driven myself spare with toys on the floor. Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
My naming convention
For what it is worth; I always start a field's name with a lowercase 'f' - the rest in uppercase: e.g. fSTUFF so, similarly with other objects: gSTUFF will be a group, ggSTUFF will be a group containing subordinate groups, iSTUFF is an image, pSTUFF is (oddly enough) a graphic object bSTUFF is a button - vSTUFF is a variable cSTUFF is a constant sSTUFF is a string aSTUFF is an array - needless-to-say; I almost NEVER adhere to this convention . . . :) RunRev, having no intrinsic naming conventions, cheerfully allows one to wander off rather tangentially if one is not very careful. What I DO do is have a piece of paper on a clipboard on my lap where I write down every object's name and what it is with a pencil. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Timer Pause script
Hi, After debug, still without see the solution, the time is paused but still running... and when I resume after the pause get the whole time. --reset the startSeconds to the current seconds less the time already on the timer. put the seconds into tSeconds subtract tElapsed from tSeconds put tSeconds into startSeconds Any idea why? Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Timer-Pause-script-tp2284161p2284474.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Timer Pause script
Hi Josep, You might want to read about the cancel command and the pendingMessages function in the dictionary. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce On 10 jul 2010, at 12:48, JosepM wrote: Hi, After debug, still without see the solution, the time is paused but still running... and when I resume after the pause get the whole time. --reset the startSeconds to the current seconds less the time already on the timer. put the seconds into tSeconds subtract tElapsed from tSeconds put tSeconds into startSeconds Any idea why? Salut, Josep ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Scripting what should be a simple loop...
In regard to my question about using arrays, Mark W. said: Well, it's not regular variables that are the issue here. An array is *MUCH* faster than a do statement. Do statements are very slow, and I only use them sparingly and when there's no alternative. But when you gotta, you gotta. In this case, I don't gotta so I won't. The application is pretty much finished and stable just as it is and I can't see that I'll be making any changes that might impede the already fair performance. This whole conversation began with my looking for ways that might speed things up instead of going the other direction. ;) To which Mark S. added: David and Mark, Yet, repeat for each rules. Whether using arrays is faster than using regular variables depends on whether your repeat loop is written smartly. Thanks guys. Since I basically just finished rebuilding most of the app, I'll keep that info in mind for my future projects and/or perhaps yet another revision for this one at some point. Amongst other things, Richmond said: Well; speaking as a relative baby (48 last February) I ca cheerfully say: 1. My short term memory is already half-rotted. 2. I cannot tell you much about what is termed long-term memory as I don't seem to have one beyond a series of oft-repeated anecdotes which drive my teenage sons up the wall. 3. Having suffered from an element of creative insanity all my life a bit of loss of cognitive ability might not necessarily be all bad . . . :) So long and thanks for all the fish. As well as... The 'Magic Moment', the intuitive flash often wipes the circles and arrows clean away; but I often find that the magic moment doesn't happen until I have driven myself spare with toys on the floor. Sir, I honestly appreciate your slightly off-beat humor and insight to almost any subject. I always enjoy reading your messages. Thanks. :) René added: Hello Bob, Sarah, Mark, Alex, Scott, Kay, Very good lesson !!! Yes ! Better than documentation ! It is a good example for witch I appreciate How to use Revolution I imagine that many silent readers appreciate like me and I thank you on their behalf... You are absolutely right! These good folks are about as knowledgeable and helpful a bunch, as I've seen anywhere. Good stuff for sure. Again, thanks for the contributions and help everyone! Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Timer Pause script
Hi, When I press the pause button, the updateProgress message is stoped and no more call until I resume it... No message pending... Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Timer-Pause-script-tp2284161p2284483.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: My naming convention
Personnally I am using this naming convention: - first letter in lowercase, then Uppercase for the first letter of each word. - tMyVariable - Variable available in the handler - sMyVariable - Variable available in the script (local) - gMyVariable - Global variable (global) - kMyVariable - Constant (constant) - cMyVariable - Variable that contain custom properties - pMyParameter - Parameter In C, I use the same naming convention, the difference is: - Instead of Uppercase, I use _ to separate words. - t_my_variable - Variable available in the handler - s_my_variable - Variable available in the file (static) - g_my_variable - Variable available in the application (extern) - k_my_variable - Constant - p_my_paramater - Parameter (you see the *, you are not dumb, no need of a pointer prefix) And for C++/C#, same as Revolution. This enable me to mix C/C++ and to see quickly in what file I am located. After, for objects, I have no convention, but usually in rev I define the name of objects only in lowercase, in order to not mix with variables. All my softwares are written like that, and it works ;) (more than 20 000 lignes software...) (I stolen this convention from a Rev user, but I do not remember who lol, btw thanks to him ^^) Also, I am using DoxyGen in C/C++, and NativeDoc in Rev, that's helping a lot :p -Message d'origine- De : use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com] De la part de Richmond Envoyé : samedi 10 juillet 2010 12:18 À : How to use Revolution Objet : My naming convention For what it is worth; I always start a field's name with a lowercase 'f' - the rest in uppercase: e.g. fSTUFF so, similarly with other objects: gSTUFF will be a group, ggSTUFF will be a group containing subordinate groups, iSTUFF is an image, pSTUFF is (oddly enough) a graphic object bSTUFF is a button - vSTUFF is a variable cSTUFF is a constant sSTUFF is a string aSTUFF is an array - needless-to-say; I almost NEVER adhere to this convention . . . :) RunRev, having no intrinsic naming conventions, cheerfully allows one to wander off rather tangentially if one is not very careful. What I DO do is have a piece of paper on a clipboard on my lap where I write down every object's name and what it is with a pencil. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: My naming convention
Mine (sorry in French) : Prefix of 2 chars for constant, variable, custom prop, handler, command, function Prefix of 3 chars for objects : button, field, group, slider, label, image, graphic -- PRÉFIXES (types des objets) : -- ku = constante (unitaire) kt = constante (tableau) utiliser plutôt une custom property -- vg = variable globale [stack] vt = variable globale (tableau) [stack] vl = variable locale [script] vx = variable temporaire [handler] vp = paramètre [fonctions] vd = variable provisoire servant au debugage -- cp = custom property -- hm = handler main stack (handler situé dans le stack principal) hs = handler stack (handler situé dans le script du stack) hc = handler card (handler situé dans le script de la carte) hg = handler group (handler situé dans le script du groupe) ho = handler objet (handler situé dans le script de l'objet) -- fm = function main stack (fonction située dans le stack principal) fs = function stack (fonction située dans le script du stack) fc = function card (fonction située dans le script de la carte) fg = function group (fonction située dans le script du groupe) fo = function objet (fonction située dans le script de l'objet) db = fonction ou commande servant au debugage -- btn = bouton fld = field grp = groupe sld = slider lbl = label img = image grc = graphic___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: My naming convention
On 07/10/2010 02:20 PM, Damien Girard wrote: Personnally I am using this naming convention: - first letter in lowercase, then Uppercase for the first letter of each word. - tMyVariable - Variable available in the handler - sMyVariable - Variable available in the script (local) - gMyVariable - Global variable (global) - kMyVariable - Constant (constant) - cMyVariable - Variable that contain custom properties - pMyParameter - Parameter In C, I use the same naming convention, the difference is: - Instead of Uppercase, I use _ to separate words. - t_my_variable - Variable available in the handler - s_my_variable - Variable available in the file (static) - g_my_variable - Variable available in the application (extern) - k_my_variable - Constant - p_my_paramater - Parameter (you see the *, you are not dumb, no need of a pointer prefix) And for C++/C#, same as Revolution. This enable me to mix C/C++ and to see quickly in what file I am located. After, for objects, I have no convention, but usually in rev I define the name of objects only in lowercase, in order to not mix with variables. All my softwares are written like that, and it works ;) (more than 20 000 lignes software...) (I stolen this convention from a Rev user, but I do not remember who lol, btw thanks to him ^^) Also, I am using DoxyGen in C/C++, and NativeDoc in Rev, that's helping a lot :p I think this is great and we really out to carry on this htread with as many poeple submitting their naming conventions as possible; we might then be able to abstract some sort of commonality which would allow us to develop a more standardised naming convention for RunRev. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: My naming convention
On 07/10/2010 02:52 PM, René Micout wrote: Mine (sorry in French) : Prefix of 2 chars for constant, variable, custom prop, handler, command, function Prefix of 3 chars for objects : button, field, group, slider, label, image, graphic -- PRÉFIXES (types des objets) : -- ku = constante (unitaire) kt = constante (tableau) utiliser plutôt une custom property -- vg = variable globale [stack] vt = variable globale (tableau) [stack] vl = variable locale [script] vx = variable temporaire [handler] vp = paramètre [fonctions] vd = variable provisoire servant au debugage -- cp = custom property -- hm = handler main stack (handler situé dans le stack principal) hs = handler stack (handler situé dans le script du stack) hc = handler card (handler situé dans le script de la carte) hg = handler group (handler situé dans le script du groupe) ho = handler objet (handler situé dans le script de l'objet) -- fm = function main stack (fonction située dans le stack principal) fs = function stack (fonction située dans le script du stack) fc = function card (fonction située dans le script de la carte) fg = function group (fonction située dans le script du groupe) fo = function objet (fonction située dans le script de l'objet) db = fonction ou commande servant au debugage -- btn = bouton fld = field grp = groupe sld = slider lbl = label img = image grc = graphic This is rather better than mine (and more comprehensive) insofar as by having 3 letter prefixes one doesn't have to use a 'p' (as in Picture) for a graphic object. It also keys directly into the short forms of objects in RunRev. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: My naming convention
On Jul 10, 2010, at 3:18 AM, Richmond wrote: vSTUFF is a variable cSTUFF is a constant sSTUFF is a string aSTUFF is an array - needless-to-say; I almost NEVER adhere to this convention . . . :) so what you mean to say is that. I almost cNEVER adhere to this convention . . . :) is really I almost vNEVER adhere to this convention . . . :) Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: My naming convention
On 07/10/2010 03:57 PM, Jim Ault wrote: On Jul 10, 2010, at 3:18 AM, Richmond wrote: vSTUFF is a variable cSTUFF is a constant sSTUFF is a string aSTUFF is an array - needless-to-say; I almost NEVER adhere to this convention . . . :) so what you mean to say is that. I almost cNEVER adhere to this convention . . . :) is really I almost vNEVER adhere to this convention . . . :) Worth a try . . . :) But, no; I just go on giving things any silly, old name that takes my fancy. For example; in my Devawriter Pro stack there is a field that contains a short script to deal with some of the peculiarities of the letter 'R' in Devanagari-Sanskrit; it is called fld ARSE - which makes perfect sense to me (in more ways than one considering the state I got myself in working that subroutine out) but does NOT adhere to my naming convention. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: My naming convention
Richmond- Saturday, July 10, 2010, 5:10:33 AM, you wrote: I think this is great and we really out to carry on this htread with as many poeple submitting their naming conventions as possible; we might then be able to abstract some sort of commonality which would allow us to develop a more standardised naming convention for RunRev. Saturday, July 10, 2010, 4:20:26 AM, Damien Girard wrote: Personnally I am using this naming convention: - first letter in lowercase, then Uppercase for the first letter of each word. - tMyVariable - Variable available in the handler - sMyVariable - Variable available in the script (local) - gMyVariable - Global variable (global) - kMyVariable - Constant (constant) - cMyVariable - Variable that contain custom properties - pMyParameter - Parameter I use all these with the exception of switching - uMyVariable - User-defined custom property (Silly me - I'm reserving c for class, expecting that someday we'll have real OOP in xtalk) Saturday, July 10, 2010, 4:52:33 AM, René Micout wrote: Prefix of 3 chars for objects : button, field, group, slider, label, image, graphic btn = bouton fld = field grp = groupe sld = slider lbl = label img = image grc = graphic I also use all these and ary = array -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: DataGrid Stuff
Many thanks to all who responded to my previous post. Can anyone tell me why this script doesn't work? on mouseUp ## Create tab delimited data. ## Note that first line has name of columns. ## Providing names tells Data Grid how to map ## data to appropriate columns. put state tab code cr \ ALABAMA tab AL cr \ ALASKA tab AK into theText ## Let Data Grid know that first line has column names put true into firstLineContainsColumnNames set the dgText [ firstLineContainsColumnNames ] of group DataGrid 1 to theText end mouseUp This is in the How Do I Create My First Data Grid Table lesson of revLessons. Thanks and cheers, Roger Guay ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Teetotal RunRev
I have just upgraded WINE: http://www.winehq.org/ to 1.2-rc7 on my main Lunux box (Ubuntu 10.04) and thought 'just for run' I'd have a bash at running the Windows build of my Devawriter Pro Demo 3.30: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/dwriterpro.html AND: 1. All images with any sort of blending go dark and horrible. 2. Fontsizes in text fields all stay a standard size and cannot be resized. Loadsa Rubbish. Ah, Well, it was worth a try. Althought this result is not only relevant to my stuff but to anybody who wants to run a Windows build under WINE. Err . . . naive question number 67: Why would one want to try to run a RunRev Windows standalone on Linux under WINE when there is a perfectly respectable way of building Linux standalones that comes with RunRev? Because: 1. Richmond wondered whether that was a way round some of the persistent font problems with Linux builds. 2. Linux standalones when compared with Mac and Windows standalone are not 'perfectly respectable'. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Teetotal RunRev
Hello Richmond, Try VirtualBox instead. A great tool ! http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads Best, Pierre Le 10 juil. 2010 à 17:53, Richmond a écrit : I have just upgraded WINE: http://www.winehq.org/ to 1.2-rc7 on my main Lunux box (Ubuntu 10.04) and thought 'just for run' I'd have a bash at running the Windows build of my Devawriter Pro Demo 3.30: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/dwriterpro.html AND: 1. All images with any sort of blending go dark and horrible. 2. Fontsizes in text fields all stay a standard size and cannot be resized. Loadsa Rubbish. Ah, Well, it was worth a try. Althought this result is not only relevant to my stuff but to anybody who wants to run a Windows build under WINE. Err . . . naive question number 67: Why would one want to try to run a RunRev Windows standalone on Linux under WINE when there is a perfectly respectable way of building Linux standalones that comes with RunRev? Because: 1. Richmond wondered whether that was a way round some of the persistent font problems with Linux builds. 2. Linux standalones when compared with Mac and Windows standalone are not 'perfectly respectable'. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Go to a web page automatically
Hi, Using the on-rev.com server scripting, is there a ?rev command that will open a specified web page? 'launch' URL didn't seem to do it for me. Thanks, Tim Selander Tokyo, Japan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Go to a web page automatically
Tim, Not quite sure what you mean by open? Mike --- On Sat, 7/10/10, Tim Selander selan...@tkf.att.ne.jp wrote: From: Tim Selander selan...@tkf.att.ne.jp Subject: Go to a web page automatically To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 11:23 AM Hi, Using the on-rev.com server scripting, is there a ?rev command that will open a specified web page? 'launch' URL didn't seem to do it for me. Thanks, Tim Selander Tokyo, Japan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Go to a web page automatically
Try : get url http://yoururl ; put it Best, P. Le 10 juil. 2010 à 18:23, Tim Selander a écrit : Hi, Using the on-rev.com server scripting, is there a ?rev command that will open a specified web page? 'launch' URL didn't seem to do it for me. Thanks, Tim Selander Tokyo, Japan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: DataGrid Stuff
Hi Roger, In fact you have to create the columns first as it was discussed in this interesting tread: http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution@lists.runrev.com/msg127457.html http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution@lists.runrev.com/msg127457.htmlSo you have to create a column State and a column Code in your grid and then you could populate it with the code you pick in the doc. Use the dgText[true] when you import data from a text file for example and if you would like to avoid to import the first line of the text if it represents the column headers. If you use set the dgText [ firstLineContainsColumnNames ] of group DataGrid 1 to theText, you will obtain in the Grid: State Code state code ALABAMA AL ALASKA AK If you use set the dgText of group DataGrid 1 to theText, the Grid will contain: State Code ALABAMA AL ALASKA AK 2010/7/10 Roger Guay i...@mac.com Many thanks to all who responded to my previous post. Can anyone tell me why this script doesn't work? on mouseUp ## Create tab delimited data. ## Note that first line has name of columns. ## Providing names tells Data Grid how to map ## data to appropriate columns. put state tab code cr \ ALABAMA tab AL cr \ ALASKA tab AK into theText ## Let Data Grid know that first line has column names put true into firstLineContainsColumnNames set the dgText [ firstLineContainsColumnNames ] of group DataGrid 1 to theText end mouseUp This is in the How Do I Create My First Data Grid Table lesson of revLessons. Thanks and cheers, Roger Guay ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Go to a web page automatically
Greetings Pierre, The following works: ?rev get url http://www.runrev.com; put it ? But the script loses some images and formatting along the way. If we just want the html source then it works fine. Mike --- On Sat, 7/10/10, Pierre Sahores psaho...@free.fr wrote: From: Pierre Sahores psaho...@free.fr Subject: Re: Go to a web page automatically To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 11:45 AM Try : get url http://yoururl ; put it Best, P. Le 10 juil. 2010 à 18:23, Tim Selander a écrit : Hi, Using the on-rev.com server scripting, is there a ?rev command that will open a specified web page? 'launch' URL didn't seem to do it for me. Thanks, Tim Selander Tokyo, Japan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Scripting what should be a simple loop...
Richmond wrote: However, when I tried to run the script it threw a bluey and opened the script editor in that rather unhelpful way where it marks the problem but doesn't allow you to edit it. It's opening in debug mode, which I find to be one of the most helpful features of the script editor. It suspends script execution at the point of error, while retaining all the variable values so that you can see what they are. This often gives you insight into what went wrong. In addition, the little popup button at the top of the editor gives you the entire history of the handler calls (the execution context) so that you can backtrack through all the handlers that may have led up to the error. It's an invaluable tool. You can't edit in this mode, but you can see everything that led up to the problem. Once you are done examining the history and variable values of the error, just click the blue square icon in the script editor toolbar, or else type Control-Y to exit debug mode (Cmd-Y on Mac.) All the variable values and history are wiped out and you can edit again. I couldn't script without this feature, I think I spent half my time yesterday using it. But if you never want to use it, you can turn off script debug mode in the Development menu. In my view, doing that is equivalent to blindfolding yourself and looking for the car keys you lost in the attic, but each to his own. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Scripting what should be a simple loop...
Hum, I understand now why I have not found your post funny (or not).
It's like a flashback.
2010/7/10 Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com
On 07/10/2010 12:52 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:
Richmond, I'm not sure to appreciated your humor.
However, with less talent and other circumstances, I had probably write
something similar somewhere in the net, so I forgive you for this time.
2010/7/10 Richmondrichmondmathew...@gmail.com
On 07/10/2010 11:49 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
David and Mark,
Yet, repeat for each rules. Whether using arrays is faster than using
regular variables depends on whether your repeat loop is written
smartly.
Quite; but that looks a bit like circular logic.
Everytime I have to write some sort of loop I get out the plastic cups
and
the beads
and play with them on the floor (preferably with a cup of coffee and some
music)
until I find what I would term the most economical way of doing things.
So; prior to writing anything smartly one has to work out the
'smartist'
logic;
if you are incredibly good at abstractions you can do that mentally; if
not
you
can do it with a pencil and paper, or with cups and beads - whatever
works
for you. LEGO is also quite effective.
Then; having worked out one's model; one has to represent it in code.
If one's model has already been worked out (squares and arrows on paper,
cups and beads on the floor, circles and lines on a blackboard) visually
it
is, generally, easier to track where things go wrong with one's code by
comparing it with one's physical model.
___
That may appear a joke to you!
HOWEVER: I do often play around with beads and cups on the floor; it really
does help me with conceptualising what I am trying to do on a computer.
About 35 years ago, a brilliant Maths master at my school taught us
MINIFORTRAN
without benefit of a computer (our punch cards were sent to Imperial
College in London
where my cousin Stephen Mathewson:
http://sim.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/23/6/181 )
organised things. As 13 year old who had never seen a computer, nor had a
clue about logic
his attempt at getting us to understand flow charts ('How to boil an egg'
as far as I remember)
was doomed to failure (perhaps because most of us couldn't boil an egg to
save our lives).
So, this brilliant man, helped us understand with plastic yoghurt pots and
off-cuts of wood from
the woodwork classroom.
My only regret is that I have no way of knowing where the man we called
Bonehead Barker
is now, or, even, if he is still alive, so that I can send him a little
something by way of a thank you
for all the help he has given me.
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Re: Go to a web page automatically
Mike, To get all the associated files (images, css, javascripts) fine loading along the main html file, you need to replace the relative path of those ones by the absolutes ones, if they are not loading from the same path than your irev script including the get url ; put it commands. ?rev get url http://www.runrev.com; replace the relative path of the css by the absolute one in it replace the relative path of the javascript by the absolute one in it replace the relative path of the image by the absolute one in it etc... put it ? Best, P. Le 10 juil. 2010 à 19:10, Michael Kann a écrit : Greetings Pierre, The following works: ?rev get url http://www.runrev.com; put it ? But the script loses some images and formatting along the way. If we just want the html source then it works fine. Mike --- On Sat, 7/10/10, Pierre Sahores psaho...@free.fr wrote: From: Pierre Sahores psaho...@free.fr Subject: Re: Go to a web page automatically To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 11:45 AM Try : get url http://yoururl ; put it Best, P. Le 10 juil. 2010 à 18:23, Tim Selander a écrit : Hi, Using the on-rev.com server scripting, is there a ?rev command that will open a specified web page? 'launch' URL didn't seem to do it for me. Thanks, Tim Selander Tokyo, Japan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: My naming convention
Hi from Beautiful Brittany, Sorry to put the proverbial cat among the pigeons ! Wonderful ! I have never seen so many complex naming conventions that I am sure you don't follow. If you do, then it is for who ? If it is for you, this means that your organizational solutions prime upon your script development and production. What a waste of grey matter ! If you spend more time wondering what you are going to call your variables, than developing your scripts, then you DO have a problem ! In 5 minutes, you can write a button script to list out Variable and Field Names, to ensure that you don't invent duplicate names. Revolution scripting is not to be pondered upon. Just write it, as it flows out of your brain. Don't invent rules that you will not follow ! Naming conventions are personal. They are mostly designed to help YOU, maintain and modify YOUR scripts in the future, if you ever NEED to return to them ! Forget naming conventions, and spend a little time with comments. It beats naming conventions every day. If anybody will ever read it except you ! If you ever have to return to your scripts (and I doubt that you do this often), you either recognize your coding, and your coding knowledge, AND YOUR COMMENTS, and so you don't need to invent a complex naming convention, or else it is not your script, and HIS naming convention is of no help whatsoever. But by the saints, an intelligent comment is !!! I spent years (with Hypercard) inventing a simple and strict naming convention WHICH I MYSELF RENAGUE ON EVERY DAY ! So - what is the point ? My 2 cents (of a euro) ! - Francis -Nothing should ever be done for the first time ! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Scripting what should be a simple loop...
On 07/10/2010 08:27 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Richmond wrote: However, when I tried to run the script it threw a bluey and opened the script editor in that rather unhelpful way where it marks the problem but doesn't allow you to edit it. It's opening in debug mode, which I find to be one of the most helpful features of the script editor. It suspends script execution at the point of error, while retaining all the variable values so that you can see what they are. This often gives you insight into what went wrong. In addition, the little popup button at the top of the editor gives you the entire history of the handler calls (the execution context) so that you can backtrack through all the handlers that may have led up to the error. It's an invaluable tool. You can't edit in this mode, but you can see everything that led up to the problem. Once you are done examining the history and variable values of the error, just click the blue square icon in the script editor toolbar, or else type Control-Y to exit debug mode (Cmd-Y on Mac.) All the variable values and history are wiped out and you can edit again. I couldn't script without this feature, I think I spent half my time yesterday using it. But if you never want to use it, you can turn off script debug mode in the Development menu. In my view, doing that is equivalent to blindfolding yourself and looking for the car keys you lost in the attic, but each to his own. Thank you so much for such an extremely lucid and instructive piece on debug mode. It is information like this, written in the way you wrote it, that should go into some sort of expanded help system. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: My naming convention
On 07/10/2010 08:44 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote: snip Naming conventions are personal. They are mostly designed to help YOU, maintain and modify YOUR scripts in the future, if you ever NEED to return to them ! 1. Good point. Forget naming conventions, and spend a little time with comments. It beats naming conventions every day. If anybody will ever read it except you ! 2. Aaaah; at that august' institution, the University of Abertay, the lecturers were continually rabbiting on about what they termed 'the number 10 bus' problem. Their scenario was that were you coding for an employer and you were run over by a bus, if you did not: 2.1. Pepper your code with comprehensive, comprehensible documentation and 2.2. Use some sort of standardised naming conventions whichever employee was given the task of continuing your work would find it well-nigh impossible to understand your work. I can see their point. If you ever have to return to your scripts (and I doubt that you do this often), 3. Every day I return to my scripts; my Devawriter and Devawriter Pro stacks contain scripts of up to 2000 lines of fairly complex stuff. What with teaching in my EFL school, lecturing at the University, running around sorting out people's hardware problems, cooking, cleaning the loo, speaking 4 languages on a daily basis, and so on; I do, often lose track of what, exactly some variable or constant was supposed to be doing very quickly indeed. you either recognize your coding, and your coding knowledge, AND YOUR COMMENTS, and so you don't need to invent a complex naming convention, or else it is not your script, 4. Ha, ha, ha! I returned to a script I wrote 7 years ago, just the other day, and had a really tough time working out what I had been trying to achieve: ther having been a lot of water under the bridge since then, and, owing to my increasing comfortableness with RunRev coding, a complete change in the way that I code. and HIS naming convention is of no help whatsoever. But by the saints, an intelligent comment is !!! 5. Yes, agreed: mind you what Richmond(2003) [mayne THIS is what 'HIS' refers to . . . :) ] and Richmond(2010) understand what constitutes an intelligent comment is also a bit problematic. I spent years (with Hypercard) inventing a simple and strict naming convention WHICH I MYSELF RENAGUE ON EVERY DAY ! So - what is the point ? The point is that this morning somebody made some comment about naming conventions, and, I, being what I am, could not resist taking the bait. HOWEVER; as many RunRev programmers have offerings on both the old and the new revOnline repositories, and in various other places on the internet, it might be easier for newcomers to RunRev to ease into RunRev if a standardise naming convention were used. sincerely, Richmond. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Teetotal RunRev
On 07/10/2010 07:10 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: Hello Richmond, Try VirtualBox instead. A great tool ! http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads Thank you Pierre for your suggestion. I have, previously, played around with VirtualBox. However; the very, very few Windows programs I 'need' to use work extremely well with WINE (currently Appleworks 6 and Axalias Icon Studio). VirtualBox is unable to run Windows software without the end-user owning an install disc for whichever variant of Windows they wish to use. I was hoping that WINE could run the Windows version of my FREE Devawriter as a way of empowering people who don't have the wherewithall to buy a Windows disk. AND, if one has a Windows disk one might just as well run my software on a Windows partition of the computer; which rather sidesteps the whole problem. - Having seen how Windows (apart from the initial purchase of an install disk) continues to 'cost' in terms of monthly payments for anti-virus software, and in terms of time lost owing to virus problems, I would not recommend anyone use Windows anyway. Friends and colleagues over here who are compelled to use Windows (as professional software they require is only available for Windows) estimate that each machine costs $50 a month in terms of anti-virus stuff, as well as about 1-3 man hours per week because of associated problems. Those who use Linux reckon a machine costs about $5 a month with no man-hours lost. -- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Go to a web page automatically
Pierre, Thanks as always. Mike --- On Sat, 7/10/10, Pierre Sahores psaho...@free.fr wrote: From: Pierre Sahores psaho...@free.fr Subject: Re: Go to a web page automatically To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 12:42 PM Mike, To get all the associated files (images, css, javascripts) fine loading along the main html file, you need to replace the relative path of those ones by the absolutes ones, if they are not loading from the same path than your irev script including the get url ; put it commands. ?rev get url http://www.runrev.com; replace the relative path of the css by the absolute one in it replace the relative path of the javascript by the absolute one in it replace the relative path of the image by the absolute one in it etc... put it ? Best, P. Le 10 juil. 2010 à 19:10, Michael Kann a écrit : Greetings Pierre, The following works: ?rev get url http://www.runrev.com; put it ? But the script loses some images and formatting along the way. If we just want the html source then it works fine. Mike --- On Sat, 7/10/10, Pierre Sahores psaho...@free.fr wrote: From: Pierre Sahores psaho...@free.fr Subject: Re: Go to a web page automatically To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 11:45 AM Try : get url http://yoururl ; put it Best, P. Le 10 juil. 2010 à 18:23, Tim Selander a écrit : Hi, Using the on-rev.com server scripting, is there a ?rev command that will open a specified web page? 'launch' URL didn't seem to do it for me. Thanks, Tim Selander Tokyo, Japan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Teetotal RunRev
Richmond, I use the full free and GPL ClamWin antivirus on all my windows boxes without any sad event for years. If you did'nt try it before, have an eye on this interesting solution ;-) http://www.clamwin.com/ Best, Pierre Le 10 juil. 2010 à 21:17, Richmond a écrit : On 07/10/2010 07:10 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: Hello Richmond, Try VirtualBox instead. A great tool ! http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads Thank you Pierre for your suggestion. I have, previously, played around with VirtualBox. However; the very, very few Windows programs I 'need' to use work extremely well with WINE (currently Appleworks 6 and Axalias Icon Studio). VirtualBox is unable to run Windows software without the end-user owning an install disc for whichever variant of Windows they wish to use. I was hoping that WINE could run the Windows version of my FREE Devawriter as a way of empowering people who don't have the wherewithall to buy a Windows disk. AND, if one has a Windows disk one might just as well run my software on a Windows partition of the computer; which rather sidesteps the whole problem. - Having seen how Windows (apart from the initial purchase of an install disk) continues to 'cost' in terms of monthly payments for anti-virus software, and in terms of time lost owing to virus problems, I would not recommend anyone use Windows anyway. Friends and colleagues over here who are compelled to use Windows (as professional software they require is only available for Windows) estimate that each machine costs $50 a month in terms of anti-virus stuff, as well as about 1-3 man hours per week because of associated problems. Those who use Linux reckon a machine costs about $5 a month with no man-hours lost. -- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Teetotal RunRev
On 07/10/2010 10:51 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: Richmond, I use the full free and GPL ClamWin antivirus on all my windows boxes without any sad event for years. If you did'nt try it before, have an eye on this interesting solution ;-) http://www.clamwin.com/ What with Jacque's posting about debug mode and your about the Clam I am significantly 'richer' than I was this morning. What a wonderful Use-List! sincerely, Richmond. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: My naming convention
Hi, I totally disagree with you, having a naming convention in an enterprise helps to produce faster application, but I am talking here about real application, not a funny stack that display few funny effects... In my other life (a life without RunRev), I am working in a team of 6 developers, everybody is using my naming convention that I told before, and the productivity gain is incredible, cause, it is not Revolution, it is C, and I am working on application that have more than 15000 lines, that communicate with multiple card, and that have dozen threads and hundred messages. So, imagine now if everybody do what they want with naming convention ? You get lost, nobody can reuse your work. When I have to work on the file of a colleague, I simply open it, I saw that he is calling few global with the g, few statics with the s and I can use few t variables. This took me 5 minutes to have in my head a map of the source code file.. Productivity loss? And the best things, with naming convention, in NetBeans IDE, I want a global, I press g + Ctrl + Space and I have got all my global listed! Have just to pick the one that need, no need to look around and find in what .h file I placed my global.. So, what I wanted to say: - Small program, utility, sure, no need convention - Real program, without one, you are dead. (yes, cause your teammates killed you :p) My 2 cents (in euros too) Damien NativeSoft, France. PS: Yes I saw the troll, but I am going in ^^ -Message d'origine- De : use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com] De la part de Francis Nugent Dixon Envoyé : samedi 10 juillet 2010 19:45 À : use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Objet : RE: My naming convention Hi from Beautiful Brittany, Sorry to put the proverbial cat among the pigeons ! Wonderful ! I have never seen so many complex naming conventions that I am sure you don't follow. If you do, then it is for who ? If it is for you, this means that your organizational solutions prime upon your script development and production. What a waste of grey matter ! If you spend more time wondering what you are going to call your variables, than developing your scripts, then you DO have a problem ! In 5 minutes, you can write a button script to list out Variable and Field Names, to ensure that you don't invent duplicate names. Revolution scripting is not to be pondered upon. Just write it, as it flows out of your brain. Don't invent rules that you will not follow ! Naming conventions are personal. They are mostly designed to help YOU, maintain and modify YOUR scripts in the future, if you ever NEED to return to them ! Forget naming conventions, and spend a little time with comments. It beats naming conventions every day. If anybody will ever read it except you ! If you ever have to return to your scripts (and I doubt that you do this often), you either recognize your coding, and your coding knowledge, AND YOUR COMMENTS, and so you don't need to invent a complex naming convention, or else it is not your script, and HIS naming convention is of no help whatsoever. But by the saints, an intelligent comment is !!! I spent years (with Hypercard) inventing a simple and strict naming convention WHICH I MYSELF RENAGUE ON EVERY DAY ! So - what is the point ? My 2 cents (of a euro) ! - Francis -Nothing should ever be done for the first time ! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Non linear undo in Rev IDE
Hi all, I am gathering some ideas about: How should work a Non linear Undo in Rev? Please, participate with your experiences, ideas and questions. Your collaboration is indispensable to create this library. Notice that after we implement sucessfully this project using revTalk scripts, it will be available to use in our own programs. The most common undo commands in software is the Memory-dependent linear undo, that allows to undo/redo actions based in their execution order and available memory designated by user for this specific task. My experience with Non-Linear undo comes from my use of Adobe Photoshop: http://livedocs.adobe.com/en_US/Photoshop/10.0/WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea53e41001031ab64-7497.html For Rev, it's feasible to save a copy of the stacks every amount of minutes and the Non Linear undo library would compare the properties of the same object in different saved stacks and allow to revert a single object to a previously saved state (possibly allowing to preview the change before applying) Rev IDE blocks certain messages, like editscript so i am not sure how to catch scripts changes before they happen. It's necessary to trap the script editions to save a stack copy before editing the script... Thanks in advance for your comments and ideas! Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Non-linear-undo-in-Rev-IDE-tp2284816p2284816.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Go to a web page automatically
Good morning! Thanks for the reply. Sorry for not being clear. By 'open' I mean I just want to take the user to another page, as if they had clicked a link. I'm trying to write a simple form to get user input (based on Sarah's revForm.irev script) and want to take them to a 'Thank you' page automatically after they submit the info. Tim Selander Tokyo, Japan On 7/11/10 1:36 AM, Michael Kann wrote: Tim, Not quite sure what you mean by open? Mike --- On Sat, 7/10/10, Tim Selanderselan...@tkf.att.ne.jp wrote: From: Tim Selanderselan...@tkf.att.ne.jp Subject: Go to a web page automatically To: How to use Revolutionuse-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 11:23 AM Hi, Using the on-rev.com server scripting, is there a ?rev command that will open a specified web page? 'launch' URL didn't seem to do it for me. Thanks, Tim Selander Tokyo, Japan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Go to a web page automatically
Hi again, Mike That code works for me! Thanks. The page I want to call up is in the same directory, so all the graphics, etc., come in fine too. Thank you! Tim Selander Tokyo, Japan On 7/11/10 2:10 AM, Michael Kann wrote: Greetings Pierre, The following works: ?rev get url http://www.runrev.com; put it ? But the script loses some images and formatting along the way. If we just want the html source then it works fine. Mike --- On Sat, 7/10/10, Pierre Sahorespsaho...@free.fr wrote: From: Pierre Sahorespsaho...@free.fr Subject: Re: Go to a web page automatically To: How to use Revolutionuse-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 11:45 AM Try : get url http://yoururl ; put it Best, P. Le 10 juil. 2010 à 18:23, Tim Selander a écrit : Hi, Using the on-rev.com server scripting, is there a ?rev command that will open a specified web page? 'launch' URL didn't seem to do it for me. Thanks, Tim Selander Tokyo, Japan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Go to a web page automatically
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Tim Selander selan...@tkf.att.ne.jp wrote: Good morning! Thanks for the reply. Sorry for not being clear. By 'open' I mean I just want to take the user to another page, as if they had clicked a link. I'm trying to write a simple form to get user input (based on Sarah's revForm.irev script) and want to take them to a 'Thank you' page automatically after they submit the info. I found that the easiest way was to show or hide info on the same page, depending on user input. But if you want to take them to a different page, you can redirect. Check out the script http://www.troz.net/onrev/samples/showscript.irev?showscript=desktop.irev Note that the redirect headers have to be put BEFORE anything else is written to the page. Cheers, Sarah Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Timer Pause script
After debug, still without see the solution, the time is paused but still running... and when I resume after the pause get the whole time. --reset the startSeconds to the current seconds less the time already on the timer. put the seconds into tSeconds subtract tElapsed from tSeconds put tSeconds into startSeconds Any idea why? Imagine you start the timer at 3:00:00 After 10 seconds, the time is 3:00:10 and the timer is showing 10 seconds. Now you pause the timer. At 3:01:00 you restart the timer. The original start time is 3:00:00 so if you are still using the original start time to calculate the elapsed time, the timer will immediately show 60 seconds when you only want it to show 10 seconds. Effectively you want to set the start time to 3:00:50 (i.e the current time - the elapsed time) when you restart at 3:01:00 as that will make it show the correct elapsed time of 10 seconds. Cheers, Sarah Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Go to a web page automatically
On Jul 10, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Tim Selander selan...@tkf.att.ne.jp wrote: Thanks for the reply. Sorry for not being clear. By 'open' I mean I just want to take the user to another page, as if they had clicked a link. I'm trying to write a simple form to get user input (based on Sarah's revForm.irev script) and want to take them to a 'Thank you' page automatically after they submit the info. I found that the easiest way was to show or hide info on the same page, depending on user input. But if you want to take them to a different page, you can redirect. Check out the script http://www.troz.net/onrev/samples/showscript.irev?showscript=desktop.irev Note that the redirect headers have to be put BEFORE anything else is written to the page. Sarah For web content serving, there are actually 3 different things being specified in this thread. UPDATING THE SAME PAGE, REDIRECT, LOCATION I think the bottom of this post has the answer you probably want to use. UPDATING THE SAME PAGE - sending HTML tags and content to be displayed in the current browser window If the user does 'reload' or 'refresh', the original content will be re-displayed since the browser still thinks it is focused on the original url. The new content does not change the browser history since there has been no real navigation as far as the browser is concerned. ?rev get url http://www.runrev.com; put it ? REDIRECT - tells the browser to keep the current url in history, but now focus on a new url This is commonly used to keep old links stored out on the internet working, but 'bounce' to new web pages or url. This gets a little complicated when you break down the different meanings of a url. http://someDomain.com/ or http://www.someDomain.com/ or http://someDomain.com/index.html -- will simply show the default page for the domain http://someDomain.com/aboutus.html or http://someDomain.com/aboutus.php or http://someDomain.com/aboutus.cgi or http://someDomain.com/aboutus.irev -- will simply show the page for that location http://someDomain.com/aboutus.html#drivingMapSection http://someDomain.com/aboutus.php#drivingMapSection http://someDomain.com/aboutus.cgii#drivingMapSection http://someDomain.com/aboutus.irev#drivingMapSection -- will show the page and scroll to the anchor named http://someDomain.com/aboutus.html?loc=homeOffice xx no http://someDomain.com/aboutus.php?loc=homeOffice http://someDomain.com/aboutus.cgi?loc=homeOffice http://someDomain.com/aboutus.irev?loc=homeOffice -- will show the page with info that a script provides by using the variable 'loc' with the value homeOffice The exact data sent back to the browser depends on the script programming NOTE: PHP and irev and cgi cause scripts to run on the server, but HTML does not, so sending variables. The reason scripts are run is that Apache has been told when it started that those 3 strings mean that Apache should follow its directives and run the correct script engine. At this time, the only server that knows about irev is the On-Rev system, thus irev scripts cannot be run on other systems. The On-Rev server knows how to run scripts using PHP, cgi, as well as irev. LOCATION - This is probably what you were looking for - change the Browser's memory variable that causes the browser to focus on the new url, keeping the original url in history, and reloading the new url. What you probably want to accomplish is sending a raw HTTP header to the browser. More details here [ http://php.net/manual/en/function.header.php Possible headers to send to a browser Their are two kinds, Request (from browser) to instruct the Apache server Accept-Language: da Authorization: Basic QWxhZGRpbjpvcGVuIHNlc2FtZQ== Response (from server) to instruct the browser Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Location: http://www.w3.org/pub/WWW/People.html Refresh: 5; url=http://www.w3.org/pub/WWW/People.html (refresh the same url after 5 seconds) Set-Cookie: UserID=JohnDoe; Max-Age=3600; Version=1 (store data on the user's hard drive) (but it expires in 3600 seconds, 60 minutes) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HTTP_headers and specifically HTTP_location discussed here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_location so in irev you would --*** ?rev put HTTP/1.1 302 Found into sendResponse put cr Location: http://www.www.runrev.com; after sendResponse put sendResponse -- back to browser that started the dialog ? --*** Just to let you know, REDIRECTION issues are much more complex This is a good overview... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URL_redirection Bottom line for your specific task, use the scripting just below the * Hope this helps. You have chosen to enter a world that can be very confusing, so tread carefully and study tons of examples. Jim Ault Las Vegas ___
Re: Go to a web page automatically
YOu can also use meta refresh to redirect to a new page. See here: http://webdesign.about.com/od/metataglibraries/a/aa080300a.htm Or conversly, a javascript method can be found here: http://www.web-source.net/javascript_redirect.htm Also, if you have a set of criteria on the first page you load that determines the page you actually want to load, similar to what Sarah demonstrated, you can do your check for whatever criteria and then simply include the local page I want based on that criteria. On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Sarah Reichelt sarah.reich...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Tim Selander selan...@tkf.att.ne.jp wrote: Good morning! Thanks for the reply. Sorry for not being clear. By 'open' I mean I just want to take the user to another page, as if they had clicked a link. I'm trying to write a simple form to get user input (based on Sarah's revForm.irev script) and want to take them to a 'Thank you' page automatically after they submit the info. I found that the easiest way was to show or hide info on the same page, depending on user input. But if you want to take them to a different page, you can redirect. Check out the script http://www.troz.net/onrev/samples/showscript.irev?showscript=desktop.irev Note that the redirect headers have to be put BEFORE anything else is written to the page. Cheers, Sarah Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Go to a web page automatically
Tim, Redirect that thanks eastward to Pierre. I just checked out what he proposed. Mike --- On Sat, 7/10/10, Tim Selander selan...@tkf.att.ne.jp wrote: From: Tim Selander selan...@tkf.att.ne.jp Subject: Re: Go to a web page automatically To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 7:35 PM Hi again, Mike That code works for me! Thanks. The page I want to call up is in the same directory, so all the graphics, etc., come in fine too. Thank you! Tim Selander Tokyo, Japan On 7/11/10 2:10 AM, Michael Kann wrote: Greetings Pierre, The following works: ?rev get url http://www.runrev.com; put it ? But the script loses some images and formatting along the way. If we just want the html source then it works fine. Mike --- On Sat, 7/10/10, Pierre Sahorespsaho...@free.fr wrote: From: Pierre Sahorespsaho...@free.fr Subject: Re: Go to a web page automatically To: How to use Revolutionuse-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 11:45 AM Try : get url http://yoururl ; put it Best, P. Le 10 juil. 2010 à 18:23, Tim Selander a écrit : Hi, Using the on-rev.com server scripting, is there a ?rev command that will open a specified web page? 'launch' URL didn't seem to do it for me. Thanks, Tim Selander Tokyo, Japan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: My naming convention
Hello Francis, Revolution scripting is not to be pondered upon. Just write it, as it flows out of your brain. Heh... good, bad or otherwise, I seem to have mastered that part of your message all too well. ;-) Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Language learning stacks
Has anyone developed any vocabulary/ language learning stacks in Rev? Seems like an apt application for the tool, but I didn't see anything in revOnLine. Picture dictionary type things with rollovers for different languages? Remember those First Thousand Words books with contextualized drawings showing vocabulary for the kitchen, barnyard, garden, etc.? Just curious, as I'm studying Italian at present and thought of creating something for myself, but don't feel I have the energy to put towards it. There are some things online, but nothing of particularly good quality. Good, coherent artwork would be a real issue, even with the abundance of free clip-art online, it would be fragmented and of questionable quality. Thanks Mark___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Language learning stacks
Not sure this is the direction you want to go, but I have a very simple set of stacks that i'm using to help me (attempt) to learn spanish. Not pictures, different method. Basically its 1 stack with a field that you can paste into (or theres a button where you can paste the text to work with) Then all it does is feed the clickword to google translate in the 2nd stack thats just a revbrowser instance IE: http://translate.google.com/?hl=en#es|en|pescado would return the definition of pescado. Then just start with the simplest spanish website I can find, paste in the text and start reading. And I think its working. I use http://www.google.com.mx or http://www.google.es to look for spanish stuff to read. For italian of course use www.google.it My stacks aren't great, but work ok. I'm sure it would take you all of 10 minutes to duplicate, but if you like i'll send you mine. On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Mark Swindell mdswind...@cruzio.com wrote: Has anyone developed any vocabulary/ language learning stacks in Rev? Seems like an apt application for the tool, but I didn't see anything in revOnLine. Picture dictionary type things with rollovers for different languages? Remember those First Thousand Words books with contextualized drawings showing vocabulary for the kitchen, barnyard, garden, etc.? Just curious, as I'm studying Italian at present and thought of creating something for myself, but don't feel I have the energy to put towards it. There are some things online, but nothing of particularly good quality. Good, coherent artwork would be a real issue, even with the abundance of free clip-art online, it would be fragmented and of questionable quality. Thanks Mark___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Language learning stacks
I've got a page set up on iGoogle that has various back and forth translators between different languages I know or am interested in. It's pretty quick and easy, adding a Rev interface wouldn't save me much, I don't think. But I was interested in graphical interfaces for simple vocabulary, nouns and verbs, ala the First 1000 Words series. And beyond would be nice, of course. It would be a simple project to start, and a long one to do right, I think. Thanks Mark On Jul 10, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Mike Bonner wrote: Not sure this is the direction you want to go, but I have a very simple set of stacks that i'm using to help me (attempt) to learn spanish. Not pictures, different method. Basically its 1 stack with a field that you can paste into (or theres a button where you can paste the text to work with) Then all it does is feed the clickword to google translate in the 2nd stack thats just a revbrowser instance IE: http://translate.google.com/?hl=en#es|en|pescado would return the definition of pescado. Then just start with the simplest spanish website I can find, paste in the text and start reading. And I think its working. I use http://www.google.com.mx or http://www.google.es to look for spanish stuff to read. For italian of course use www.google.it My stacks aren't great, but work ok. I'm sure it would take you all of 10 minutes to duplicate, but if you like i'll send you mine. On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Mark Swindell mdswind...@cruzio.com wrote: Has anyone developed any vocabulary/ language learning stacks in Rev? Seems like an apt application for the tool, but I didn't see anything in revOnLine. Picture dictionary type things with rollovers for different languages? Remember those First Thousand Words books with contextualized drawings showing vocabulary for the kitchen, barnyard, garden, etc.? Just curious, as I'm studying Italian at present and thought of creating something for myself, but don't feel I have the energy to put towards it. There are some things online, but nothing of particularly good quality. Good, coherent artwork would be a real issue, even with the abundance of free clip-art online, it would be fragmented and of questionable quality. Thanks Mark___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Language learning stacks
Well in your quest, you might find this site useful. http://www.ilovelanguages.com/idp/IDPfiles.html Has some flat files from and to various languages, might save you some work if you decide to have a real go at this. Still no graphics involved but still a pretty useful resource. On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Mark Swindell mdswind...@cruzio.com wrote: I've got a page set up on iGoogle that has various back and forth translators between different languages I know or am interested in. It's pretty quick and easy, adding a Rev interface wouldn't save me much, I don't think. But I was interested in graphical interfaces for simple vocabulary, nouns and verbs, ala the First 1000 Words series. And beyond would be nice, of course. It would be a simple project to start, and a long one to do right, I think. Thanks Mark On Jul 10, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Mike Bonner wrote: Not sure this is the direction you want to go, but I have a very simple set of stacks that i'm using to help me (attempt) to learn spanish. Not pictures, different method. Basically its 1 stack with a field that you can paste into (or theres a button where you can paste the text to work with) Then all it does is feed the clickword to google translate in the 2nd stack thats just a revbrowser instance IE: http://translate.google.com/?hl=en#es|en|pescado would return the definition of pescado. Then just start with the simplest spanish website I can find, paste in the text and start reading. And I think its working. I use http://www.google.com.mx or http://www.google.es to look for spanish stuff to read. For italian of course use www.google.it My stacks aren't great, but work ok. I'm sure it would take you all of 10 minutes to duplicate, but if you like i'll send you mine. On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Mark Swindell mdswind...@cruzio.com wrote: Has anyone developed any vocabulary/ language learning stacks in Rev? Seems like an apt application for the tool, but I didn't see anything in revOnLine. Picture dictionary type things with rollovers for different languages? Remember those First Thousand Words books with contextualized drawings showing vocabulary for the kitchen, barnyard, garden, etc.? Just curious, as I'm studying Italian at present and thought of creating something for myself, but don't feel I have the energy to put towards it. There are some things online, but nothing of particularly good quality. Good, coherent artwork would be a real issue, even with the abundance of free clip-art online, it would be fragmented and of questionable quality. Thanks Mark___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
