Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
The output is universal - Webkit will be the predominant browser engine very soon and most worthwhile of writing for. The potential is huge and the actual development computer is such a small part of the ROI. Get a mini ! The percentage of Mac vs PC desktops has nothing to do with marketing potential. What's important here is the future potential of creating web-based apps for the cross-platform web using Rev, Rodeo, CSS4 and HTML5. Jerry and Company have come up with a 'shortcut' to develop web apps and using Macs for development is the best way for them to come up with this rapidly. Obviously there are aspects of the MacOS that facilitates this. On 19 July 2010 19:39, David C. davidoco...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I cannot say 100% whether it would make an absolute difference in a purchase/license/subscription decision, but there is still at one factor that makes it a total, 100% no-go... ...Mac only. Looks like you all are doing some great and valuable work on Rodeo and IMO, the new Transfer spin off is probably worth the price of admission all on it's on, but wait... ..that too is Mac only. Sorry folks, but I don't plan on purchasing any Apple hardware any time soon, if ever again and while I'm sure that my participation won't either make or break ya, I would think that the other 92 or so percent of the marketing potential for Windows developers could be more than just a small oversight. Best of luck in any case. Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard San Francisco ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
Yes, this is indeed a complete showstopper, there is no Mac hardware in the future of quite a lot of us. Its very interesting, in particular the Transfer package is very interesting, but nothing is interesting enough to move one back into that particular ghetto. On the future of web apps on Apple hardware, Jerry is certain that the fact that they are developing for webkit means that Apple will not be able to bar this, even if it turns out to be a way of providing users with apps that bypass the app store, and so means they have a motive to bar apps written with it. We'll find out together. Apple is ingenious, in control of their OS and all apps, and ruthless with it. The app store and associated control over what the users do is central to the whole business model. He may be right that they will be unable to bar it, but the chances are that they will give it a very serious try. If you look at the history of webkit, the communications back to the community from Apple, since it forked KHTML, compatibility issues, you will find room for skepticism. If you look at the history of attempted content censorship via tha app store, and that is only the ones we know about, because most of that is censored too, you'll not doubt their commitment to control. But hey, we'll see. It will be most interesting. Meanwhile, one assumes that it means that Rodeo apps will run in Chrome or Konqueror or Galeon on Linux? Now that is interesting. Its just a pity one cannot write them in the OS they will run on. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Rodeo-Last-minute-call-to-get-onboard-with-pre-realase-conditions-tp2293199p2295075.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
On 07/20/2010 10:58 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: Yes, this is indeed a complete showstopper, there is no Mac hardware in the future of quite a lot of us. Its very interesting, in particular the Transfer package is very interesting, but nothing is interesting enough to move one back into that particular ghetto. On the future of web apps on Apple hardware, Jerry is certain that the fact that they are developing for webkit means that Apple will not be able to bar this, even if it turns out to be a way of providing users with apps that bypass the app store, and so means they have a motive to bar apps written with it. We'll find out together. Apple is ingenious, in control of their OS and all apps, and ruthless with it. The app store and associated control over what the users do is central to the whole business model. It is funny how, historically, Apple and their camp followers have pictured Microsoft as the big baddy. While, to my mind, Microsoft is a big baddy insofar as it seems to go on producing flawed operating systems and gobbling up small software companies: Apple doesn't look any better - tying its OS to over-priced hardware, dictatorial strictures on software and hardware use . . . Hey, Steve Jobs, I'm installing Debian 'Lenny' on my macMini . . . take me to court, make my life misery because: I am doing what I want with something I own! [And this is the stinkiest thing of all; I sell you something and then try to continue controlling what you do with it] Of course Microsoft don't sell you Windows XP; they licence it to you for 3 years, after which you are expected to pay some more to extend that licence! Similarly with the block on revMobile apps. I have an electric kettle I bought in Sharjah; presumably it is meant for boiling water - but as it has a sealed element it is just wonderful for boiling eges, cooking beans and so forth - saved me many a time in sleazy hotels! I wonder how long it will be until some Steve Jobs-like character pops his head out (probably from where the cable disappears in the back of the kettle) and says You are only licensed to boil water for tea in this kettle. What I do not understand is that RedHat and other Open Source companies have been doing very well financially on a business model that works on a completely opposite premise. Personally, once I have paid hard-earned money for something the last thing I want is some 'pillock' telling me what to do with my purchase. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
But hey, we'll see. It will be most interesting. Meanwhile, one assumes that it means that Rodeo apps will run in Chrome or Konqueror or Galeon on Linux? Now that is interesting. Its just a pity one cannot write them in the OS they will run on. You can, using a web-based editor. You just don't get the extra features of a Mac editor. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
Jerry - The screen shots look very nice. I noticed there's no seam between the title bar of the window and the toolbar as is common in Rev apps because we don't currently have a toolbar object. But since the language shown looks like RevTalk I had thought it was made with Rev. What is the client UI made in? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
But hey, we'll see. It will be most interesting. Meanwhile, one assumes that it means that Rodeo apps will run in Chrome or Konqueror or Galeon on Linux? Now that is interesting. Its just a pity one cannot write them in the OS they will run on. You can, using a web-based editor. You just don't get the extra features of a Mac editor. Cheers, Sarah Hi Sarah, Do you folks anticipate offering Transfer as a separate product/service any time soon? If yes, is there any estimate on the time-frame? Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
It's not written using Rev, but in XCode, it seems. It looks like someone with good Objective-C and Cocoa skills wrote a lovely editor. Perhaps if the programmer feels adventurous, he/she could experiment with Cocotron http://www.cocotron.org/ to provide a Windows port. The only rev-related part of Rodeo right now would be the syntax (very revTalk-like) and Rodeo Transfer. Quite an achievement for their team! Jan Schenkel = Quartam Reports PDF Library for Revolution http://www.quartam.com = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) --- On Tue, 7/20/10, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Jerry - The screen shots look very nice. I noticed there's no seam between the title bar of the window and the toolbar as is common in Rev apps because we don't currently have a toolbar object. But since the language shown looks like RevTalk I had thought it was made with Rev. What is the client UI made in? -- Richard Gaskin ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
Jan, you are correct. We wrote the Rodeo client ourselves in Xcode without any outside talent. We combined many of the elements of the Rev version of Rodeo Editor and the web version of our editor. MJ, me and Sarah worked on the Rodeo 2.0 release. Sarah did the heavy lifting, but we all pitched in and made our deadline for the Rodeo Developers' Summit (our online developer conference via GoToWebinar). Best, Jerry Daniels Join the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Jul 20, 2010, at 8:09 AM, Jan Schenkel janschen...@yahoo.com wrote: It's not written using Rev, but in XCode, it seems. It looks like someone with good Objective-C and Cocoa skills wrote a lovely editor. Perhaps if the programmer feels adventurous, he/she could experiment with Cocotron http://www.cocotron.org/ to provide a Windows port. The only rev-related part of Rodeo right now would be the syntax (very revTalk-like) and Rodeo Transfer. Quite an achievement for their team! Jan Schenkel = Quartam Reports PDF Library for Revolution http://www.quartam.com = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) --- On Tue, 7/20/10, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Jerry - The screen shots look very nice. I noticed there's no seam between the title bar of the window and the toolbar as is common in Rev apps because we don't currently have a toolbar object. But since the language shown looks like RevTalk I had thought it was made with Rev. What is the client UI made in? -- Richard Gaskin ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
Jan, You bring up an interesting point with suggesting a Windows port. We feel the real target in the future is not desktop OS like Mac, Windows or Linux, but environments like Webkit which are finding their way into an amazing variety of devices. Until that future arrives, we felt that to do a professional, commercial-level product, we had to focus on one desktop OS and really do it right. We were all Apple developers, with experience and the tools, so the Rodeo editor for the desktop was built for Mac OS X Leopard and Snow Leopard using Xcode leveraging the translation CGIs built in revTalk and the data handling being done via PHP with our database. Best, Jerry Daniels Join the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Jul 20, 2010, at 8:09 AM, Jan Schenkel janschen...@yahoo.com wrote: It's not written using Rev, but in XCode, it seems. It looks like someone with good Objective-C and Cocoa skills wrote a lovely editor. Perhaps if the programmer feels adventurous, he/she could experiment with Cocotron http://www.cocotron.org/ to provide a Windows port. The only rev-related part of Rodeo right now would be the syntax (very revTalk-like) and Rodeo Transfer. Quite an achievement for their team! Jan Schenkel = Quartam Reports PDF Library for Revolution http://www.quartam.com = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) --- On Tue, 7/20/10, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Jerry - The screen shots look very nice. I noticed there's no seam between the title bar of the window and the toolbar as is common in Rev apps because we don't currently have a toolbar object. But since the language shown looks like RevTalk I had thought it was made with Rev. What is the client UI made in? -- Richard Gaskin ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
Richard, The Mac client app that Rodeo 2.0 uses for it's editor is built in Xcode using Objective-C, not Revolution. Here's a link to a post about it: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-20-built-as-an-xcode-app-so-you-can-bui Best, Jerry Daniels Join the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Jul 20, 2010, at 6:48 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Jerry - The screen shots look very nice. I noticed there's no seam between the title bar of the window and the toolbar as is common in Rev apps because we don't currently have a toolbar object. But since the language shown looks like RevTalk I had thought it was made with Rev. What is the client UI made in? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
Sarah, could you explain exactly what one can do from Linux. Edit the app using another editor. Then load it to the Rodeo server. Then make a standalone that will run under webkit in Linux? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Rodeo-Last-minute-call-to-get-onboard-with-pre-realase-conditions-tp2293199p2295505.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
David, Sarah is sound asleep in Australia at the moment, so I'll see if I can answer that for you. All transfer does is translate revTalk into Rodeo definitions. Rodeo server then translates those definitions into HTML/CSS. Until our Deploy Anywhere feature becomes available later in the month, those pages can only be viewed in Rodeo. With Deploy Anywhere, Transfer might be valuable for the sole task of making pages out of cards. We were thinking at first of making Transfer a separate product, but the market for it is extremely small compared to Rodeo, so it would carry a price tag above the $100 USD range. And then it would demand extra attention for support, questions, feature requests, etc. The reason Rodeo is maturing so quickly is because we are focused. We decided Transfer would be a distraction we could not afford. You can get Rodeo with Transfer for $89 (for another 16 hours) and be able to copy your HTML from the Rodeo editor. That would seem to be a reasonable solution for you. Best, Jerry Daniels Join the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Jul 20, 2010, at 7:45 AM, David C. davidoco...@gmail.com wrote: But hey, we'll see. It will be most interesting. Meanwhile, one assumes that it means that Rodeo apps will run in Chrome or Konqueror or Galeon on Linux? Now that is interesting. Its just a pity one cannot write them in the OS they will run on. You can, using a web-based editor. You just don't get the extra features of a Mac editor. Cheers, Sarah Hi Sarah, Do you folks anticipate offering Transfer as a separate product/service any time soon? If yes, is there any estimate on the time-frame? Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
David, I meant to include in my answer, our development time table, so you and others interested can see where we're going to be with the product over the next five weeks: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-20-built-as-an-xcode-app-so-you-can-bui Jerry On Jul 20, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote: David, Sarah is sound asleep in Australia at the moment, so I'll see if I can answer that for you. All transfer does is translate revTalk into Rodeo definitions. Rodeo server then translates those definitions into HTML/CSS. Until our Deploy Anywhere feature becomes available later in the month, those pages can only be viewed in Rodeo. With Deploy Anywhere, Transfer might be valuable for the sole task of making pages out of cards. We were thinking at first of making Transfer a separate product, but the market for it is extremely small compared to Rodeo, so it would carry a price tag above the $100 USD range. And then it would demand extra attention for support, questions, feature requests, etc. The reason Rodeo is maturing so quickly is because we are focused. We decided Transfer would be a distraction we could not afford. You can get Rodeo with Transfer for $89 (for another 16 hours) and be able to copy your HTML from the Rodeo editor. That would seem to be a reasonable solution for you. Best, Jerry Daniels Join the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Jul 20, 2010, at 7:45 AM, David C. davidoco...@gmail.com wrote: But hey, we'll see. It will be most interesting. Meanwhile, one assumes that it means that Rodeo apps will run in Chrome or Konqueror or Galeon on Linux? Now that is interesting. Its just a pity one cannot write them in the OS they will run on. You can, using a web-based editor. You just don't get the extra features of a Mac editor. Cheers, Sarah Hi Sarah, Do you folks anticipate offering Transfer as a separate product/service any time soon? If yes, is there any estimate on the time-frame? Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: David, Sarah is sound asleep in Australia at the moment, so I'll see if I can answer that for you. All transfer does is translate revTalk into Rodeo definitions. Rodeo server then translates those definitions into HTML/CSS. Until our Deploy Anywhere feature becomes available later in the month, those pages can only be viewed in Rodeo. With Deploy Anywhere, Transfer might be valuable for the sole task of making pages out of cards. We were thinking at first of making Transfer a separate product, but the market for it is extremely small compared to Rodeo, so it would carry a price tag above the $100 USD range. And then it would demand extra attention for support, questions, feature requests, etc. The reason Rodeo is maturing so quickly is because we are focused. We decided Transfer would be a distraction we could not afford. You can get Rodeo with Transfer for $89 (for another 16 hours) and be able to copy your HTML from the Rodeo editor. That would seem to be a reasonable solution for you. Best, Jerry Daniels Thank you for the additional info Jerry... I'm almost ready to grab my wallet, I think. ;-) But first, let me make sure I understand this fully. In a nutshell: The $89 special gives the user 1 year of the service, plus a Mac editor for both Rodeo and Transfer if they own the hardware. The Rodeo editor version is or will be capable of producing either or both native X-code and webkit applications. Without the proper hardware, the user still has access to Transfer, which has a somewhat limited web based editor (Safari/Chrome) that can be used regardless of the hardware platform. No such option exists for the Rodeo side of the equation. (?) You can get Rodeo with Transfer for $89 (for another 16 hours) and be able to copy your HTML from the Rodeo editor. That would seem to be a reasonable solution for you. Other than making sure the rest on my understanding is correct, that is the only *real* question I have left... did you really mean to say that Rodeo (not Transfer) also has a web based editor that can be used without Apple hardware? -- -- -- In either case, for the $89 special, webkit based apps can be built and hosted from the Rodeo servers for a period of one year before requiring a renewal. The only end-user requirement for the hosted webkit apps is a webkit based (Safari/Chrome) browser... which means that in theory, they should be functional on any platform that has the correct browser. Hopefully I haven't butchered that too badly with my present understanding... Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
David, I only wish I was as good as Sarah at clarifying and answering questions. She's gifted in that area where I am not...at least when it comes to text. I'm one of those bullet point guys that the presentation experts hate. See my answers/notes below, please... Thank you for the additional info Jerry... I'm almost ready to grab my wallet, I think. ;-) But first, let me make sure I understand this fully. Please understand, as always, I am much more interested in happy users of our products than the contents of any wallets. But we need that stuff in the wallets to eat, kill the raccoons that are invading our porch and other joys of life on earth. Ok, greedy bloodsucker speech done. In a nutshell: The $89 special gives the user 1 year of the service, plus a Mac editor for both Rodeo and Transfer if they own the hardware. The Rodeo editor version is or will be capable of producing either or both native X-code and webkit applications. Well said, dude! You have nailed that one. Without the proper hardware, the user still has access to Transfer, which has a somewhat limited web based editor (Safari/Chrome) that can be used regardless of the hardware platform. No such option exists for the Rodeo side of the equation. (?) Here you stray from the missal. Transfer is a Revolution stack for Revolution developers to transfer their stack to the Rodeo development server as web apps with pages. It is not an editor of any kind. You point Transfer at a stack and it translates all the UI properties of the stack's objects into Rodeo definitions. If you have a Rodeo license, then those Rodeo definitions also get translated from Rodeo definition to HTML/CSS/etc. It does a stellar job with datagrids, btw. Anyone can download Transfer from our site and see it translate rev props into Rodeo defs. Anyone with a Rodeo license can additionally see it transfer the Rodeo defs to the Rodeo server where they become web stuff. If you want to access the HTML/CSS/etc, that Transfer and Rodeo server create from stacks you can use the Rodeo Editor for the Mac Desktop or go use the Rodeo web editor and view source. You can't do this on iPads, but you can on any webkit browser. Please recall my previous speech...we are moving fast here and can only do so by focusing. We cannot take the time to try and support all the desktops. And we are seeing a non-desktop future. My Mac has a blendlevel of about 70 right now, if you catch my drift. It's something I need at the moment, but will not be here for long. I find the freedom from the platform politics that this gives me, particularly liberating. We, however, supporting all webkit browsers, so you've got that going for you. I have to say, though, it's easier to do more industrial work on the desktop Rodeo editor. We are continually spiffing up the web-based Rodeo editor, too, to bring it more in line with the desktop one. Remember, we see webkit (and such) the future. SO, I'm not sure that Transfer solves your hardware dependencies, but from what I can tell, it does. But I want you happy with Rodeo much more than I want your 89 bucks. Pesky raccoons notwithstanding. You can get Rodeo with Transfer for $89 (for another 16 hours) and be able to copy your HTML from the Rodeo editor. That would seem to be a reasonable solution for you. Other than making sure the rest on my understanding is correct, that is the only *real* question I have left... did you really mean to say that Rodeo (not Transfer) also has a web based editor that can be used without Apple hardware? YES. Rodeo has from DAY ONE had an editor that is entirely web-based. It even runs on iPads. Certainly ANY webkit browser. It does not, as I said above, have an HTML view, but then all the non-iPad browsers do have source view. -- -- -- In either case, for the $89 special, webkit based apps can be built and hosted from the Rodeo servers for a period of one year before requiring a renewal. The only end-user requirement for the hosted webkit apps is a webkit based (Safari/Chrome) browser... which means that in theory, they should be functional on any platform that has the correct browser. As Ed McMahon would say to Johnny Carson: You are correct, sir! Hopefully I haven't butchered that too badly with my present understanding... You did well. You are the epitome of Dudeness, dude. Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: David, I only wish I was as good as Sarah at clarifying and answering questions. She's gifted in that area where I am not...at least when it comes to text. I'm one of those bullet point guys that the presentation experts hate. See my answers/notes below, please... Thank you for the additional info Jerry... I'm almost ready to grab my wallet, I think. ;-) But first, let me make sure I understand this fully. Please understand, as always, I am much more interested in happy users of our products than the contents of any wallets. But we need that stuff in the wallets to eat, kill the raccoons that are invading our porch and other joys of life on earth. Ok, greedy bloodsucker speech done. In a nutshell: The $89 special gives the user 1 year of the service, plus a Mac editor for both Rodeo and Transfer if they own the hardware. The Rodeo editor version is or will be capable of producing either or both native X-code and webkit applications. Well said, dude! You have nailed that one. Without the proper hardware, the user still has access to Transfer, which has a somewhat limited web based editor (Safari/Chrome) that can be used regardless of the hardware platform. No such option exists for the Rodeo side of the equation. (?) Here you stray from the missal. Transfer is a Revolution stack for Revolution developers to transfer their stack to the Rodeo development server as web apps with pages. It is not an editor of any kind. You point Transfer at a stack and it translates all the UI properties of the stack's objects into Rodeo definitions. Now understood, thanks! If you want to access the HTML/CSS/etc, that Transfer and Rodeo server create from stacks you can use the Rodeo Editor for the Mac Desktop or go use the Rodeo web editor and view source. You can't do this on iPads, but you can on any webkit browser. YES. Rodeo has from DAY ONE had an editor that is entirely web-based. It even runs on iPads. Certainly ANY webkit browser. It does not, as I said above, have an HTML view, but then all the non-iPad browsers do have source view. There lies the entire bit of confusion and the only matter of contention from my end. I was completely under the impression that the Rodeo editor was the only option, meaning that you *had to have* Mac hardware. That's all that has kept me from participating from day one. Shoot, in all of my previous questioning and comments, I wasn't trying to pester you folks into building the Rodeo editor for *any* other platform... I just wanted to play, period. I'm sure that I'll be perfectly content playing in the browser, whether on Windows or Linux (preferred, not required). SO, I'm not sure that Transfer solves your hardware dependencies, but from what I can tell, it does. But I want you happy with Rodeo much more than I want your 89 bucks. Pesky raccoons notwithstanding. Absolutely! ...just signed up in fact. :) Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
Since this seems to be the day for questions, one more I haven't seen asked: If I spring for Rodeo (and I'm very close to doing it) am I forever tied to dependency on the Rodeo server? What about those of us who have invested in our own on-rev account or in revServer? Can we produce code on the Rodeo server, then copy it to our own revved servers? Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
Devin, They way Jerry explained it to me is that you would be able to deploy to any server. I believe they are working on that this week. BTW I am astounded at the progress they have made on this. They have accomplished things in a month that I expected to take a year. The outlook for Rodeo is very bright. I can't wait. And, given Jerry's reputation for followingthrough, it will probably all arrive sooner instead of later. The current (until mid-night Austin time) price of $89.00 is way too low. The only good thing that can be said about it is: anyone with a mild interest in web-standard programming can certainly afford to risk that amount. --- BTW #2 For our company, we will use Rodeo primarily on the LAN - rather than the web. The Rodeo architecture even works for personal apps with or without a server - as I understand it. Paul Looney On Jul 20, 2010, at 9:36 AM, Devin Asay wrote: Since this seems to be the day for questions, one more I haven't seen asked: If I spring for Rodeo (and I'm very close to doing it) am I forever tied to dependency on the Rodeo server? What about those of us who have invested in our own on-rev account or in revServer? Can we produce code on the Rodeo server, then copy it to our own revved servers? Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
Devin, Paul is correct in all his answers below. Especially the astounding...I'm astounded by our team. We're on to something, here. Jerry On Jul 20, 2010, at 2:57 PM, Paul Looney wrote: Devin, They way Jerry explained it to me is that you would be able to deploy to any server. I believe they are working on that this week. BTW I am astounded at the progress they have made on this. They have accomplished things in a month that I expected to take a year. The outlook for Rodeo is very bright. I can't wait. And, given Jerry's reputation for followingthrough, it will probably all arrive sooner instead of later. The current (until mid-night Austin time) price of $89.00 is way too low. The only good thing that can be said about it is: anyone with a mild interest in web-standard programming can certainly afford to risk that amount. --- BTW #2 For our company, we will use Rodeo primarily on the LAN - rather than the web. The Rodeo architecture even works for personal apps with or without a server - as I understand it. Paul Looney On Jul 20, 2010, at 9:36 AM, Devin Asay wrote: Since this seems to be the day for questions, one more I haven't seen asked: If I spring for Rodeo (and I'm very close to doing it) am I forever tied to dependency on the Rodeo server? What about those of us who have invested in our own on-rev account or in revServer? Can we produce code on the Rodeo server, then copy it to our own revved servers? Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
Devin, I would add ONE point of clarification that is strongly implied in Paul's answer, but not explicitly stated: You are only dependent upon the Rodeo server for development and testing. When you deploy in the release version, you can deploy to your own server, LAN, cloud, desktop...even deploy to the bundle of a Mac app. THAT'S Deploy Anywhere. Best, Jerry Daniels Join the Rodeo pre-release: http://rodeoapps.com/limited-pre-release-offer On Jul 20, 2010, at 2:57 PM, Paul Looney wrote: Devin, They way Jerry explained it to me is that you would be able to deploy to any server. I believe they are working on that this week. BTW I am astounded at the progress they have made on this. They have accomplished things in a month that I expected to take a year. The outlook for Rodeo is very bright. I can't wait. And, given Jerry's reputation for followingthrough, it will probably all arrive sooner instead of later. The current (until mid-night Austin time) price of $89.00 is way too low. The only good thing that can be said about it is: anyone with a mild interest in web-standard programming can certainly afford to risk that amount. --- BTW #2 For our company, we will use Rodeo primarily on the LAN - rather than the web. The Rodeo architecture even works for personal apps with or without a server - as I understand it. Paul Looney On Jul 20, 2010, at 9:36 AM, Devin Asay wrote: Since this seems to be the day for questions, one more I haven't seen asked: If I spring for Rodeo (and I'm very close to doing it) am I forever tied to dependency on the Rodeo server? What about those of us who have invested in our own on-rev account or in revServer? Can we produce code on the Rodeo server, then copy it to our own revved servers? Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
Paul- Yeah - I've signed on now even though I don't have any current interest in deploying to the iPlatforms. I don't have a need for it right now, but I want to support the team and it gives me a new toy to play with g. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
For $89, I'm in. Just signed up, more because of my experience with past projects Jerry's been involved with than my real need for Rodeo. I am hoping I can get the other developers around here to toy around with it and see where it goes from there. Bob On Jul 20, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: Devin, Paul is correct in all his answers below. Especially the astounding...I'm astounded by our team. We're on to something, here. Jerry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
On Jul 20, 2010, at 12:57 PM, Paul Looney wrote: BTW I am astounded at the progress they have made on this. They have accomplished things in a month that I expected to take a year. The outlook for Rodeo is very bright. I can't wait. And, given Jerry's reputation for followingthrough, it will probably all arrive sooner instead of later. The current (until mid-night Austin time) price of $89.00 is way too low. The only good thing that can be said about it is: anyone with a mild interest in web-standard programming can certainly afford to risk that amount. On Jul 20, 2010, at 1:48 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: For $89, I'm in. Just signed up, more because of my experience with past projects Jerry's been involved with than my real need for Rodeo. I am hoping I can get the other developers around here to toy around with it and see where it goes from there. On Jul 20, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Yeah - I've signed on now even though I don't have any current interest in deploying to the iPlatforms. I don't have a need for it right now, but I want to support the team and it gives me a new toy to play with g. I agree with the crowd. Just signed up to support this stellar effort. Not sure how I am going to use the web technology, but I am sure there are many wonderful lessons ahead. Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
I signed up a week or so ago too, in spite of my low funds this month. It seems it's always a good deal investing in DM - (I'm a small kickstarter, as well, and proud of it) On 20 July 2010 14:29, Jim Ault jimaultw...@yahoo.com wrote: On Jul 20, 2010, at 12:57 PM, Paul Looney wrote: BTW I am astounded at the progress they have made on this. They have accomplished things in a month that I expected to take a year. The outlook for Rodeo is very bright. I can't wait. And, given Jerry's reputation for followingthrough, it will probably all arrive sooner instead of later. The current (until mid-night Austin time) price of $89.00 is way too low. The only good thing that can be said about it is: anyone with a mild interest in web-standard programming can certainly afford to risk that amount. On Jul 20, 2010, at 1:48 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: For $89, I'm in. Just signed up, more because of my experience with past projects Jerry's been involved with than my real need for Rodeo. I am hoping I can get the other developers around here to toy around with it and see where it goes from there. On Jul 20, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Yeah - I've signed on now even though I don't have any current interest in deploying to the iPlatforms. I don't have a need for it right now, but I want to support the team and it gives me a new toy to play with g. I agree with the crowd. Just signed up to support this stellar effort. Not sure how I am going to use the web technology, but I am sure there are many wonderful lessons ahead. Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard San Francisco ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
We want to thank everyone for their support of Rodeo and our team. It means a lot to all of us. In fact... So much goodness is pouring out of my laptop from the list here, that I am surrounded by cute little woodland creatures who now feel safe and secure. Even the raccoons. Seriously... Thanks and keep it comin'! 6 hours and 32 minutes left until the midnight deadline. Best, Jerry Daniels Join the Rodeo pre-release: http://rodeoapps.com/limited-pre-release-offer On Jul 20, 2010, at 5:13 PM, stephen barncard wrote: I signed up a week or so ago too, in spite of my low funds this month. It seems it's always a good deal investing in DM - (I'm a small kickstarter, as well, and proud of it) On 20 July 2010 14:29, Jim Ault jimaultw...@yahoo.com wrote: On Jul 20, 2010, at 12:57 PM, Paul Looney wrote: BTW I am astounded at the progress they have made on this. They have accomplished things in a month that I expected to take a year. The outlook for Rodeo is very bright. I can't wait. And, given Jerry's reputation for followingthrough, it will probably all arrive sooner instead of later. The current (until mid-night Austin time) price of $89.00 is way too low. The only good thing that can be said about it is: anyone with a mild interest in web-standard programming can certainly afford to risk that amount. On Jul 20, 2010, at 1:48 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: For $89, I'm in. Just signed up, more because of my experience with past projects Jerry's been involved with than my real need for Rodeo. I am hoping I can get the other developers around here to toy around with it and see where it goes from there. On Jul 20, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Yeah - I've signed on now even though I don't have any current interest in deploying to the iPlatforms. I don't have a need for it right now, but I want to support the team and it gives me a new toy to play with g. I agree with the crowd. Just signed up to support this stellar effort. Not sure how I am going to use the web technology, but I am sure there are many wonderful lessons ahead. Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard San Francisco ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
By the way, we just posted French and Brazilian translations of our Rodeo Transfer documentation. We now have all our docs in three languages: French, Portuguese/Brazilian and Texan. Looking for volunteer translators for German, Italian and Spanish. Best, Jerry Daniels Join the Rodeo pre-release: http://rodeoapps.com/limited-pre-release-offer On Jul 20, 2010, at 5:13 PM, stephen barncard wrote: I signed up a week or so ago too, in spite of my low funds this month. It seems it's always a good deal investing in DM - (I'm a small kickstarter, as well, and proud of it) On 20 July 2010 14:29, Jim Ault jimaultw...@yahoo.com wrote: On Jul 20, 2010, at 12:57 PM, Paul Looney wrote: BTW I am astounded at the progress they have made on this. They have accomplished things in a month that I expected to take a year. The outlook for Rodeo is very bright. I can't wait. And, given Jerry's reputation for followingthrough, it will probably all arrive sooner instead of later. The current (until mid-night Austin time) price of $89.00 is way too low. The only good thing that can be said about it is: anyone with a mild interest in web-standard programming can certainly afford to risk that amount. On Jul 20, 2010, at 1:48 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: For $89, I'm in. Just signed up, more because of my experience with past projects Jerry's been involved with than my real need for Rodeo. I am hoping I can get the other developers around here to toy around with it and see where it goes from there. On Jul 20, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Yeah - I've signed on now even though I don't have any current interest in deploying to the iPlatforms. I don't have a need for it right now, but I want to support the team and it gives me a new toy to play with g. I agree with the crowd. Just signed up to support this stellar effort. Not sure how I am going to use the web technology, but I am sure there are many wonderful lessons ahead. Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard San Francisco ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
Jerry - I subscribed a while ago and missed the summit on Saturday. Are the videos up yet? I've been in another world for the last couple of weeks and have been missing everything in the Rodeo world. thanks sqb On 18 July 2010 18:15, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: Andre, Once the said videos are posted to the site, they are available to all! Best, Jerry Daniels Follow the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Jul 18, 2010, at 8:11 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: Can non subscribers view the said videos, I am curious! Cheers andre On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Ewan Richardson e...@supremis.co.uk wrote: Id agree with that totally. That's the first summit that I have logged onto and I must say that im impressed with the approach roadmap. It's a fast-paced project, which seems to being run by level headed individuals, it will be very interesting to see where it goes. -Original Message- From: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Kluthe Sent: 18 July 2010 18:14 To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions! I am surprised by the many things revealed during this month's summit! Data Objects New ways to set object properties from other objects A New Editor A clearer explanation of the different forms that deployment can take. (Web App, Desktop App, etc) I was hesitant, but seeing the features pour in after 5 weeks and knowing that with a few more additions we can start to build some really neat apps, I am thrilled to watch and participate as rodeo becomes matures very quickly. Release price (in august) is likely to be higher than 99 a year or the 89 that you would pay if you were to get it now. Plus if you get in now, you can get rodeo transfer for free! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Rodeo-Last-minute-call-to- get-onboard-with-pre-realase-conditions-tp2293199p2293218.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard San Francisco ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
Stephen, Video of the Summit being edited. It's a big file. Next couple days should be done. Best, Jerry Daniels Join the Rodeo pre-release: http://rodeoapps.com/limited-pre-release-offer On Jul 20, 2010, at 5:35 PM, stephen barncard wrote: Jerry - I subscribed a while ago and missed the summit on Saturday. Are the videos up yet? I've been in another world for the last couple of weeks and have been missing everything in the Rodeo world. thanks sqb On 18 July 2010 18:15, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: Andre, Once the said videos are posted to the site, they are available to all! Best, Jerry Daniels Follow the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Jul 18, 2010, at 8:11 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: Can non subscribers view the said videos, I am curious! Cheers andre On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Ewan Richardson e...@supremis.co.uk wrote: Id agree with that totally. That's the first summit that I have logged onto and I must say that im impressed with the approach roadmap. It's a fast-paced project, which seems to being run by level headed individuals, it will be very interesting to see where it goes. -Original Message- From: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Kluthe Sent: 18 July 2010 18:14 To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions! I am surprised by the many things revealed during this month's summit! Data Objects New ways to set object properties from other objects A New Editor A clearer explanation of the different forms that deployment can take. (Web App, Desktop App, etc) I was hesitant, but seeing the features pour in after 5 weeks and knowing that with a few more additions we can start to build some really neat apps, I am thrilled to watch and participate as rodeo becomes matures very quickly. Release price (in august) is likely to be higher than 99 a year or the 89 that you would pay if you were to get it now. Plus if you get in now, you can get rodeo transfer for free! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Rodeo-Last-minute-call-to- get-onboard-with-pre-realase-conditions-tp2293199p2293218.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard San Francisco ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
I am still iffy on where I put the business logic. Can I use standard Revolution commands and functions? Can I define my own? Or do I have to code all that in the html myself? Not really sure. Maybe these things are going to come along later. Bob On Jul 20, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Jim Ault wrote: I agree with the crowd. Just signed up to support this stellar effort. Not sure how I am going to use the web technology, but I am sure there are many wonderful lessons ahead. Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
I understand those issues completely. thanks. On 20 July 2010 15:37, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: Stephen, Video of the Summit being edited. It's a big file. Next couple days should be done. Best, Jerry Daniels - Stephen Barncard San Francisco ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
Hey, Bob! Everything in Rodeo is a definition. And there are two types: UI elements and actions. You link your defined UI elements to actions. Your logic is in the action definition. Everything written VERY much like Rev code. Look at the examples in the Samples on the Rodeo home page. Read the Docs, they're pretty thorough. Also the Language guide. Even non-Texans have been able to read them. Best, Jerry Daniels Join the Rodeo pre-release: http://rodeoapps.com/limited-pre-release-offer On Jul 20, 2010, at 5:38 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: I am still iffy on where I put the business logic. Can I use standard Revolution commands and functions? Can I define my own? Or do I have to code all that in the html myself? Not really sure. Maybe these things are going to come along later. Bob On Jul 20, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Jim Ault wrote: I agree with the crowd. Just signed up to support this stellar effort. Not sure how I am going to use the web technology, but I am sure there are many wonderful lessons ahead. Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
Thanks just coming around. I was doing exactly that when you replied. Actions. What a concept! As I mentioned in another post, I am just a very gifted Chimpanzee, although I begin to suspect not so gifted as once I imagined. But non-Texans can do this you say! I suppose is some broad sense I fit the bill! ;-) Bob On Jul 20, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: Hey, Bob! Everything in Rodeo is a definition. And there are two types: UI elements and actions. You link your defined UI elements to actions. Your logic is in the action definition. Everything written VERY much like Rev code. Look at the examples in the Samples on the Rodeo home page. Read the Docs, they're pretty thorough. Also the Language guide. Even non-Texans have been able to read them. Best, Jerry Daniels ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
This has happened before. Jerry (and Company) takes a known paradigm, smashes it to pieces, and creates a whole new way of looking at a problem and a solution - *out of the box* indeed. I am looking forward to setting aside some time soon to learn and build something useful with this new tool. On 20 July 2010 15:50, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: Thanks just coming around. I was doing exactly that when you replied. Actions. What a concept! As I mentioned in another post, I am just a very gifted Chimpanzee, although I begin to suspect not so gifted as once I imagined. But non-Texans can do this you say! I suppose is some broad sense I fit the bill! ;-) Bob On Jul 20, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: Hey, Bob! Everything in Rodeo is a definition. And there are two types: UI elements and actions. You link your defined UI elements to actions. Your logic is in the action definition. Everything written VERY much like Rev code. Look at the examples in the Samples on the Rodeo home page. Read the Docs, they're pretty thorough. Also the Language guide. Even non-Texans have been able to read them. Best, Jerry Daniels ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard San Francisco ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Jan Schenkel janschen...@yahoo.com wrote: It's not written using Rev, but in XCode, it seems. It looks like someone with good Objective-C and Cocoa skills wrote a lovely editor. I think I'm going to frame this email! Thanks for the compliment Jan. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Same there ;-) Le 20 juil. 2010 à 23:29, Jim Ault a écrit : I agree with the crowd. Just signed up to support this stellar effort. Not sure how I am going to use the web technology, but I am sure there are many wonderful lessons ahead. Jim Ault Las Vegas -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
Stephen, great to be around your enthusiasm for learning, exploring and delivering. On Jul 20, 2010, at 5:56 PM, stephen barncard wrote: This has happened before. Jerry (and Company) takes a known paradigm, smashes it to pieces, and creates a whole new way of looking at a problem and a solution - *out of the box* indeed. I am looking forward to setting aside some time soon to learn and build something useful with this new tool. On 20 July 2010 15:50, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: Thanks just coming around. I was doing exactly that when you replied. Actions. What a concept! As I mentioned in another post, I am just a very gifted Chimpanzee, although I begin to suspect not so gifted as once I imagined. But non-Texans can do this you say! I suppose is some broad sense I fit the bill! ;-) Bob On Jul 20, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: Hey, Bob! Everything in Rodeo is a definition. And there are two types: UI elements and actions. You link your defined UI elements to actions. Your logic is in the action definition. Everything written VERY much like Rev code. Look at the examples in the Samples on the Rodeo home page. Read the Docs, they're pretty thorough. Also the Language guide. Even non-Texans have been able to read them. Best, Jerry Daniels ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard San Francisco ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
It's headed towards midnight, here--deep in the heart of Texas. Several folks have mentioned to us that they appreciated the notes others have posted here about the end of our pre-release offer tonight at midnight--otherwise they would have missed it. So this is a short bulletin to let anyone know who might have missed it... There THREE HOURS left to get a year (actually about 13 months) of Rodeo for $89. Tonight at midnight we kick into beta pricing which is $149. Check out the Rodeo production schedule for details on what's coming: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-20-built-as-an-xcode-app-so-you-can-bui Best, Jerry Daniels On Jul 20, 2010, at 5:35 PM, stephen barncard wrote: Jerry - I subscribed a while ago and missed the summit on Saturday. Are the videos up yet? I've been in another world for the last couple of weeks and have been missing everything in the Rodeo world. thanks sqb On 18 July 2010 18:15, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: Andre, Once the said videos are posted to the site, they are available to all! Best, Jerry Daniels Follow the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Jul 18, 2010, at 8:11 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: Can non subscribers view the said videos, I am curious! Cheers andre On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Ewan Richardson e...@supremis.co.uk wrote: Id agree with that totally. That's the first summit that I have logged onto and I must say that im impressed with the approach roadmap. It's a fast-paced project, which seems to being run by level headed individuals, it will be very interesting to see where it goes. -Original Message- From: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Kluthe Sent: 18 July 2010 18:14 To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions! I am surprised by the many things revealed during this month's summit! Data Objects New ways to set object properties from other objects A New Editor A clearer explanation of the different forms that deployment can take. (Web App, Desktop App, etc) I was hesitant, but seeing the features pour in after 5 weeks and knowing that with a few more additions we can start to build some really neat apps, I am thrilled to watch and participate as rodeo becomes matures very quickly. Release price (in august) is likely to be higher than 99 a year or the 89 that you would pay if you were to get it now. Plus if you get in now, you can get rodeo transfer for free! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Rodeo-Last-minute-call-to- get-onboard-with-pre-realase-conditions-tp2293199p2293218.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard San Francisco ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
*Rodeo* is the price of about 4.5 high quality large PIZZAs at this moment. Folks should not gain the weight and do this instead. I just changed an image in an 'action' and it was an aha moment. It's a game changer, just like the 'pad. I saw 6 or so iPads on each of my flights to the south recently. Webkit will set the standard and Rodeo is there to help. On 20 July 2010 19:11, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: It's headed towards midnight, here--deep in the heart of Texas. And I imagine the temperature to be about 95 degrees! - Stephen Barncard San Francisco ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 12:48 PM, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote: *Rodeo* is the price of about 4.5 high quality large PIZZAs at this moment. Folks should not gain the weight and do this instead. I just changed an image in an 'action' and it was an aha moment. It's a game changer, just like the 'pad. I saw 6 or so iPads on each of my flights to the south recently. Webkit will set the standard and Rodeo is there to help. On 20 July 2010 19:11, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: It's headed towards midnight, here--deep in the heart of Texas. And I imagine the temperature to be about 95 degrees! It's lunch time here and the pizza sounds good... What am I saying - no pizza - Rodeo! Seriously though, that's great to hear Stephen. We are trying really hard to create something that can cause the aha moment that most of us got in HyperCard. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
Ignoring the repeated spelling error, I chose not to buy-in to the early release bargain (and, it is a bargain); Instead, I want Jerry et al. to be able to leverage this thing to the point where it is actually affordable *for them*. So, I will wait and pay the full freight. I am so impressed with what they have accomplished to this point that full freight on just that, alone, is worth it. On 2010-07-20, at 2:08 PM, use-revolution-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions! -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
Had lunch with Jerry today and he walked me through their progress. Pretty impressive going. He showed me how simple it is to create an app which launched any other apps on the iPad-- which IMO was pretty cool. I've got all these damn iPad icons blasted over a dozen or so screens, so some sort of app launcher might just do the trick. Anyway, things are progressing nicely. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
John, You could send them $149 now. I'm sure they would take it. '-) Paul Looney PS I sent more. On Jul 20, 2010, at 8:15 PM, Vokey, John wrote: Ignoring the repeated spelling error, I chose not to buy-in to the early release bargain (and, it is a bargain); Instead, I want Jerry et al. to be able to leverage this thing to the point where it is actually affordable *for them*. So, I will wait and pay the full freight. I am so impressed with what they have accomplished to this point that full freight on just that, alone, is worth it. On 2010-07-20, at 2:08 PM, use-revolution-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions! -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Chipp Walters ch...@chipp.com wrote: Had lunch with Jerry today and he walked me through their progress. Pretty impressive going. He showed me how simple it is to create an app which launched any other apps on the iPad-- which IMO was pretty cool. I've got all these damn iPad icons blasted over a dozen or so screens, so some sort of app launcher might just do the trick. Anyway, things are progressing nicely. I'm not sure that we can achieve a full iPad/iPhone app launcher. What we can achieve is launching of any communications apps that have registered URLs. At the moment, we do Skype, which works on all supported platforms. We also plan to allow links to phone calls, text messages and the new FaceTime video calling. As more companies like Skype and Apple release publicly available URL commands, we can extend this list. Thanks for the kind words Chipp. Cheers, Sarah Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/limited-pre-release-offer ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
Sarah, if you're still on the line for quick questions... Can/Do/Will Rodeo pages work with Rev 3rd-party apps? Specially Malte's Animation Engine, or Damien's NativeGeometry. Thanks. -- Nicolas Cueto ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Nicolas Cueto nicon...@gmail.com wrote: Sarah, if you're still on the line for quick questions... Can/Do/Will Rodeo pages work with Rev 3rd-party apps? Specially Malte's Animation Engine, or Damien's NativeGeometry. Still here... No. Rodeo creates web pages, not Revolution stacks. So tools built for use in stacks will not work in Rodeo. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 2:41 AM, Robert Mann r...@free.fr wrote: Hi folks, it seems that it is the last minute to get onboard Rodeo for a pre-release ride... Version 2 seems to be coming this week... with data storage?? I have no connection with Rodeo.. just sympathy to the team and to you friendly reader, in case you hesitate or forget about it.. ! Yes Robert, as discussed at the summit on the weekend, version 2.0 of Rodeo is now available to registered Rodeo users. It is a native Mac application - smaller and faster than Rodeo 1.3. The link and more info is on this page http://rodeoapps.com/ - have a look, I think you will be surprised and impressed at the features and proposed timeline. For non-Rodeo users, the pre-release pricing expires at midnight CDT/US tonight - July 20th. http://rodeoapps.com/limited-pre-release-offer Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
All of this looks very interesting. But what I can't see anywhere is whether or not buying in now would keep my price at $89/year or whether I would suddenly have to pay over $400 more next year when I renewed. The current deal looks great, but I can't see spending $499/year for Rodeo. It might be worth it, but not for something to just play with as a hobbyist. So, does this deal lock in that price or does it go up at renewal time? Thanks, -Rodney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
Hey, Rodney! Good hearing from you. The price for Rodeo will go up after the first year. If, as you say, it's a hobby and you're just fooling around, there's nothing to lose. Just don't renew. Meantime, you had a lot of fun for a year. On the other hand, if something comes to you in a vision and you create the KILLER APP, now you're all set. Either way, we appreciate your interest and your doing what make you happy. Best, Jerry Daniels Follow the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Jul 19, 2010, at 8:50 PM, Rodney Somerstein wrote: All of this looks very interesting. But what I can't see anywhere is whether or not buying in now would keep my price at $89/year or whether I would suddenly have to pay over $400 more next year when I renewed. The current deal looks great, but I can't see spending $499/year for Rodeo. It might be worth it, but not for something to just play with as a hobbyist. So, does this deal lock in that price or does it go up at renewal time? Thanks, -Rodney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
Well, I cannot say 100% whether it would make an absolute difference in a purchase/license/subscription decision, but there is still at one factor that makes it a total, 100% no-go... ...Mac only. Looks like you all are doing some great and valuable work on Rodeo and IMO, the new Transfer spin off is probably worth the price of admission all on it's on, but wait... ..that too is Mac only. Sorry folks, but I don't plan on purchasing any Apple hardware any time soon, if ever again and while I'm sure that my participation won't either make or break ya, I would think that the other 92 or so percent of the marketing potential for Windows developers could be more than just a small oversight. Best of luck in any case. Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
Hey, David! Thanks for the note. We had to make a hard decision with platforms and aim for the future, which is actually not Mac desktop, but webkit, and its ilk. We ARE limiting our current desktop editor to Mac, however. A short-term necessity for us. Rodeo Transfer runs on any machine that runs Revolution, btw. We know for some folks this Mac thing is a deal-breaker, but for others who have wanted to develop on the platforms we are supporting, it will be a dream come true. We'd rather deliver 100 percent on limited platforms than do a 80 percent job a slew of them. Best, Jerry Daniels Follow the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Jul 19, 2010, at 9:39 PM, David C. wrote: Well, I cannot say 100% whether it would make an absolute difference in a purchase/license/subscription decision, but there is still at one factor that makes it a total, 100% no-go... ...Mac only. Looks like you all are doing some great and valuable work on Rodeo and IMO, the new Transfer spin off is probably worth the price of admission all on it's on, but wait... ..that too is Mac only. Sorry folks, but I don't plan on purchasing any Apple hardware any time soon, if ever again and while I'm sure that my participation won't either make or break ya, I would think that the other 92 or so percent of the marketing potential for Windows developers could be more than just a small oversight. Best of luck in any case. Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
Hi folks, it seems that it is the last minute to get onboard Rodeo for a pre-release ride... Version 2 seems to be coming this week... with data storage?? I have no connection with Rodeo.. just sympathy to the team and to you friendly reader, in case you hesitate or forget about it.. ! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Rodeo-Last-minute-call-to-get-onboard-with-pre-realase-conditions-tp2293199p2293199.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
I am surprised by the many things revealed during this month's summit! Data Objects New ways to set object properties from other objects A New Editor A clearer explanation of the different forms that deployment can take. (Web App, Desktop App, etc) I was hesitant, but seeing the features pour in after 5 weeks and knowing that with a few more additions we can start to build some really neat apps, I am thrilled to watch and participate as rodeo becomes matures very quickly. Release price (in august) is likely to be higher than 99 a year or the 89 that you would pay if you were to get it now. Plus if you get in now, you can get rodeo transfer for free! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Rodeo-Last-minute-call-to-get-onboard-with-pre-realase-conditions-tp2293199p2293218.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Id agree with that totally. That's the first summit that I have logged onto and I must say that im impressed with the approach roadmap. It's a fast-paced project, which seems to being run by level headed individuals, it will be very interesting to see where it goes. -Original Message- From: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Kluthe Sent: 18 July 2010 18:14 To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions! I am surprised by the many things revealed during this month's summit! Data Objects New ways to set object properties from other objects A New Editor A clearer explanation of the different forms that deployment can take. (Web App, Desktop App, etc) I was hesitant, but seeing the features pour in after 5 weeks and knowing that with a few more additions we can start to build some really neat apps, I am thrilled to watch and participate as rodeo becomes matures very quickly. Release price (in august) is likely to be higher than 99 a year or the 89 that you would pay if you were to get it now. Plus if you get in now, you can get rodeo transfer for free! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Rodeo-Last-minute-call-to- get-onboard-with-pre-realase-conditions-tp2293199p2293218.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
Can non subscribers view the said videos, I am curious! Cheers andre On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Ewan Richardson e...@supremis.co.ukwrote: Id agree with that totally. That's the first summit that I have logged onto and I must say that im impressed with the approach roadmap. It's a fast-paced project, which seems to being run by level headed individuals, it will be very interesting to see where it goes. -Original Message- From: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Kluthe Sent: 18 July 2010 18:14 To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions! I am surprised by the many things revealed during this month's summit! Data Objects New ways to set object properties from other objects A New Editor A clearer explanation of the different forms that deployment can take. (Web App, Desktop App, etc) I was hesitant, but seeing the features pour in after 5 weeks and knowing that with a few more additions we can start to build some really neat apps, I am thrilled to watch and participate as rodeo becomes matures very quickly. Release price (in august) is likely to be higher than 99 a year or the 89 that you would pay if you were to get it now. Plus if you get in now, you can get rodeo transfer for free! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Rodeo-Last-minute-call-to- get-onboard-with-pre-realase-conditions-tp2293199p2293218.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
Andre, Once the said videos are posted to the site, they are available to all! Best, Jerry Daniels Follow the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Jul 18, 2010, at 8:11 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: Can non subscribers view the said videos, I am curious! Cheers andre On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Ewan Richardson e...@supremis.co.ukwrote: Id agree with that totally. That's the first summit that I have logged onto and I must say that im impressed with the approach roadmap. It's a fast-paced project, which seems to being run by level headed individuals, it will be very interesting to see where it goes. -Original Message- From: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Kluthe Sent: 18 July 2010 18:14 To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions! I am surprised by the many things revealed during this month's summit! Data Objects New ways to set object properties from other objects A New Editor A clearer explanation of the different forms that deployment can take. (Web App, Desktop App, etc) I was hesitant, but seeing the features pour in after 5 weeks and knowing that with a few more additions we can start to build some really neat apps, I am thrilled to watch and participate as rodeo becomes matures very quickly. Release price (in august) is likely to be higher than 99 a year or the 89 that you would pay if you were to get it now. Plus if you get in now, you can get rodeo transfer for free! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Rodeo-Last-minute-call-to- get-onboard-with-pre-realase-conditions-tp2293199p2293218.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
Thanks for the heads up Jerry On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.comwrote: Andre, Once the said videos are posted to the site, they are available to all! Best, Jerry Daniels Follow the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves On Jul 18, 2010, at 8:11 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: Can non subscribers view the said videos, I am curious! Cheers andre On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Ewan Richardson e...@supremis.co.uk wrote: Id agree with that totally. That's the first summit that I have logged onto and I must say that im impressed with the approach roadmap. It's a fast-paced project, which seems to being run by level headed individuals, it will be very interesting to see where it goes. -Original Message- From: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Kluthe Sent: 18 July 2010 18:14 To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions! I am surprised by the many things revealed during this month's summit! Data Objects New ways to set object properties from other objects A New Editor A clearer explanation of the different forms that deployment can take. (Web App, Desktop App, etc) I was hesitant, but seeing the features pour in after 5 weeks and knowing that with a few more additions we can start to build some really neat apps, I am thrilled to watch and participate as rodeo becomes matures very quickly. Release price (in august) is likely to be higher than 99 a year or the 89 that you would pay if you were to get it now. Plus if you get in now, you can get rodeo transfer for free! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Rodeo-Last-minute-call-to- get-onboard-with-pre-realase-conditions-tp2293199p2293218.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT-Rodeo] Last minute call to get onboard with pre-realase conditions!
Thanks Jerry, sorry I couldn't be there; personal matters on Saturday at the same time prevented, but I want to see what happened. On 18 July 2010 20:15, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: Andre, Once the said videos are posted to the site, they are available to all! Best, Jerry Daniels Follow the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves - Stephen Barncard IN KC , returning to San Francisco ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
