Re: Draw over existing objects
--- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I'm creating a custom report layout editor to be included with a commercial software product, and would like to be able to scroll larger report layouts rather than splitting them into separate windows. I am now realizing various issues with my current implementation (which uses separate windows for each section -- this isn't the problem I'm trying to solve, but I'd like to fix it anyway), and in considering starting over, I'd like to get this done right this time, including a scrolling, resizing window representing the report layout. I want it to act like a drawing program, to make life a little easier for the end users. And looking at the reports product which has been brought up on this list previously: 1. I want to distribute the editor with the product, which would seemingly require a royalty fee (or at least an expensive custom version purchase), which I'm trying to avoid. 2. The product will gather information from a database, and I want the layouts stored on the database server itself, rather than files on a disk. 3. The editor brought up on the list allows use of Rev functions, etc. in fields, and I don't want to risk users picking up on the functions, etc. which I have included in the (rather large, complex) product and misusing them. 4. I'd like the editor to be a separate program, so that I can have it shared between several products in a series. Information about the various types of reports which layouts can be generated for should also be gathered from information which an installer will populate the database with. This includes a list of available sections, fields, etc. for any given report (and there will be a different set of sections possible with different types of reports). I could go on, but I think you get the idea by now. The editor is somewhat specialized, but I want it to look a bit more professional than a too-highly specialized tool. Of course, dragging the palette window around to make a toolbar isn't particularly professional-looking, either... Please Rev, let us specify a different tool for a single group placed on a card! Please... Or at least let us scroll entire windows, rather than just groups: I could stand to use a floating palette if that helps... - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Frank, As the programmer of Quartam Reports I know how you feel about certain limitations Revolution imposes when it comes to building drawing apps. Believe me, even my neighbours know about them by now. *grin* However, I'm a little sad that you didn't contact me before dismissing the option of a custom version for your product. A quick check of your above list of requirements shows me that it would not have been difficult to accomodate your needs. Without knowing the amount of hours you have already spent and are going to spend on making your own tool, nor your hourly rate, a custom version might very well have beaten the cost and let you concentrate on adding core features to your application. Of course everyone plans and acts out his own projects, but sometimes it's more economical. And if you don't ask, you won't know. Best regards, Jan Schenkel. Quartam - Tools for Revolution http://www.quartam.com = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Draw over existing objects
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Maybe I'm just missing something here, but that stack doesn't seem relevant. There is lots of code in there for a number of things, but I am looking for a way to, for example: set the tool to graphic set the style of the templateGraphic to rectangle then let the user draw in a window whose entire visible area is covered by a group. The tool seemingly ignores the fact that it is a drawing tool (rather than a selection tool) and tries to select the group rather than draw a new rectangle. The group is not marked as opaque, currently has no objects within it (it is an empty group), is set to cantSelect, has both scrollbars, is visible, and covers all but a small part of the window, where I am dragging a palette along with the window (as a toolbar -- not a perfect solution, of course, but the best I've come up with so far given Rev's feature set in terms of the drawing tools). On Apr 25, 2005, at 2:20 PM, MisterX wrote: look at how ResizeN2O does it... http://www.monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloadsd_op=getitlid=78 Another example (but in browse mode) is how i make palettes draggeable... just intercept (or pass) the mousedown except where you shouldn't (or should)... cheers Xavier http://monsieurx.com - TAOO - the rave in RAD -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank D. Engel, Jr. Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 19:45 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Draw over existing objects -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I am trying to set up an environment where I can use the standard drawing tools (graphic, field, pointer) and draw over top of a group, so that I can catch the new objects and add them to the group myself. I set the cantSelect of the group, etc., and that stuff is working okay; however, when I try to draw over the group, nothing happens. Apparently, Rev automatically tries to select an object when you mouseDown on it in pointer mode, even when you are using the graphic tool instead of the pointer tool. Thus instead of starting to draw a graphic, Rev is trying to select the group, but sees the cantSelect property and just decides to do nothing instead. Anyone know of a way to convince Rev to start the new graphic rather than just sit there when I try to draw with such a group underneath? Rev 2.5, OS X.3.whatever, etc. Thank you! - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCbSy67aqtWrR9cZoRAkqDAKCL1dtDU1J4ZY3lwBCiPsyboGJm0wCgg+KV Emd46eKmarOeRcn3rKrDEWk= =lzNq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCbkZJ7aqtWrR9cZoRAnOkAJ4jDU5Z3gKfCSMdPxWUdkKFGGL6RQCbBUTM p8l2ix39fxsJftvBUHjuomM= =UCgw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Draw over existing objects
Frank Maybe I'm just missing something here, but that stack doesn't seem relevant. set the tool to graphic set the style of the templateGraphic to rectangle you're not obliged to be in drawing mode... You can simulate it with a cursor and a moving/resizing rect or graphic (with a marquee pattern). then let the user draw in a window whose entire visible area is covered by a group. The tool seemingly ignores the fact that it is a drawing tool (rather than a selection tool) and tries to select the group rather than draw a new rectangle. Then you select what falls in the selection by intersection or inclusion... Im not sure i'd use a group rather than a simple rect graphic (simpler)... The group is not marked as opaque, currently has no objects within it (it is an empty group), is set to cantSelect, has both scrollbars, is visible, and covers all but a small part of the window, where I am dragging a palette along with the window (as a toolbar -- not a perfect solution, of course, but the best I've come up with so far given Rev's feature set in terms of the drawing tools). im lost here... What does the group do? Are you supposed to scroll when dragging beyond the edge? Xav On Apr 25, 2005, at 2:20 PM, MisterX wrote: look at how ResizeN2O does it... http://www.monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloadsd_op=getitlid=78 Another example (but in browse mode) is how i make palettes draggeable... just intercept (or pass) the mousedown except where you shouldn't (or should)... cheers Xavier http://monsieurx.com - TAOO - the rave in RAD -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank D. Engel, Jr. Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 19:45 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Draw over existing objects -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I am trying to set up an environment where I can use the standard drawing tools (graphic, field, pointer) and draw over top of a group, so that I can catch the new objects and add them to the group myself. I set the cantSelect of the group, etc., and that stuff is working okay; however, when I try to draw over the group, nothing happens. Apparently, Rev automatically tries to select an object when you mouseDown on it in pointer mode, even when you are using the graphic tool instead of the pointer tool. Thus instead of starting to draw a graphic, Rev is trying to select the group, but sees the cantSelect property and just decides to do nothing instead. Anyone know of a way to convince Rev to start the new graphic rather than just sit there when I try to draw with such a group underneath? Rev 2.5, OS X.3.whatever, etc. Thank you! - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCbSy67aqtWrR9cZoRAkqDAKCL1dtDU1J4ZY3lwBCiPsyboGJm0wCgg+KV Emd46eKmarOeRcn3rKrDEWk= =lzNq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCbkZJ7aqtWrR9cZoRAnOkAJ4jDU5Z3gKfCSMdPxWUdkKFGGL6RQCbBUTM p8l2ix39fxsJftvBUHjuomM= =UCgw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http
Re: Draw over existing objects
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Apr 26, 2005, at 10:19 AM, MisterX wrote: you're not obliged to be in drawing mode... You can simulate it with a cursor and a moving/resizing rect or graphic (with a marquee pattern). Except that I want to support nearly all of the graphics shapes -- rects, roundRects, ovals, curves, etc. -- and this would be substantially more work, possibly negating the value of doing this at all. Then you select what falls in the selection by intersection or inclusion... Im not sure i'd use a group rather than a simple rect graphic (simpler)... Except that the group does the work of handling scrolling for you. The group fills virtually the entire window (except where the toolbar is) - -- so there would be no value in using a rect. The group is not marked as opaque, currently has no objects within it (it is an empty group), is set to cantSelect, has both scrollbars, is visible, and covers all but a small part of the window, where I am dragging a palette along with the window (as a toolbar -- not a perfect solution, of course, but the best I've come up with so far given Rev's feature set in terms of the drawing tools). im lost here... What does the group do? Are you supposed to scroll when dragging beyond the edge? Not necessarily (though that's not a particularly bad idea); I'm creating a custom report layout editor to be included with a commercial software product, and would like to be able to scroll larger report layouts rather than splitting them into separate windows. I am now realizing various issues with my current implementation (which uses separate windows for each section -- this isn't the problem I'm trying to solve, but I'd like to fix it anyway), and in considering starting over, I'd like to get this done right this time, including a scrolling, resizing window representing the report layout. I want it to act like a drawing program, to make life a little easier for the end users. And looking at the reports product which has been brought up on this list previously: 1. I want to distribute the editor with the product, which would seemingly require a royalty fee (or at least an expensive custom version purchase), which I'm trying to avoid. 2. The product will gather information from a database, and I want the layouts stored on the database server itself, rather than files on a disk. 3. The editor brought up on the list allows use of Rev functions, etc. in fields, and I don't want to risk users picking up on the functions, etc. which I have included in the (rather large, complex) product and misusing them. 4. I'd like the editor to be a separate program, so that I can have it shared between several products in a series. Information about the various types of reports which layouts can be generated for should also be gathered from information which an installer will populate the database with. This includes a list of available sections, fields, etc. for any given report (and there will be a different set of sections possible with different types of reports). I could go on, but I think you get the idea by now. The editor is somewhat specialized, but I want it to look a bit more professional than a too-highly specialized tool. Of course, dragging the palette window around to make a toolbar isn't particularly professional-looking, either... Please Rev, let us specify a different tool for a single group placed on a card! Please... Or at least let us scroll entire windows, rather than just groups: I could stand to use a floating palette if that helps... - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCblmX7aqtWrR9cZoRAgoCAJ9Ja0jsZrK8nv2kxokc9cNH4kMj5wCfZf6m ndKQLd3k0Lu2lXeyiiTOZD0= =k0sp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Draw over existing objects
MisterX wrote: Frank Maybe I'm just missing something here, but that stack doesn't seem relevant. set the tool to graphic set the style of the templateGraphic to rectangle you're not obliged to be in drawing mode... You can simulate it with a cursor and a moving/resizing rect or graphic (with a marquee pattern). I would encourage you to review the discussion logged with these two feature requests: http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=623 http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=624 Yes, one can simulate a lot of things, but it won't have the simplicity or performance of using the behaviors built into the engine with the pointer tool. Try it and you'll see. Making a simple MacDraw-like app is a lt of work in Rev today, but could be as simple as doing so in SuperCard, with greater flexibility, if those two requests were acted on. One of the most inspiring things I've ever worked with was the old SampleDraw app that shipped with SuperCard. A simple MacDraw-like app, it had very little code and served as an excellent example of making an app with its own documents. Most of its behaviors were simply built into the engine with the pointer tool, something that at that time was unique among xTalks. Rev's engine already provides some 90% of the core behaviors needed for simple drawing apps. Unfortunately the remaining 10% is also essential if the existing 90% is to be useful in making such apps. Once RR completes BZ items #623 and #624 whole new worlds open up, at least as easily as accomplishing the same things in SuperCard. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Draw over existing objects (and can'tselect script for Richard!!)
the price difference... Despite the color and macdraw advantages and it's enhanced IDE but it was nice to have superPaint in the card! I miss SuperPaint ;0 But the solution to editing, like freehand, a control individually from the group while in group mode is now easy with the right modifier key held down and there's even a second way to do it in TAOO! ResizeN2O shows the way, it's ridiculously easy now that i see it! ;) But there you have a start up script and the resizeN2O to use for behavior templates (just like in TAOO). Left is rendering/editing the points of the selpolygon. Just my 2 cents.. Cheerios Xavier http://monsieurx.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Gaskin Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 17:20 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Draw over existing objects MisterX wrote: Frank Maybe I'm just missing something here, but that stack doesn't seem relevant. set the tool to graphic set the style of the templateGraphic to rectangle you're not obliged to be in drawing mode... You can simulate it with a cursor and a moving/resizing rect or graphic (with a marquee pattern). I would encourage you to review the discussion logged with these two feature requests: http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=623 http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=624 Yes, one can simulate a lot of things, but it won't have the simplicity or performance of using the behaviors built into the engine with the pointer tool. Try it and you'll see. Making a simple MacDraw-like app is a lt of work in Rev today, but could be as simple as doing so in SuperCard, with greater flexibility, if those two requests were acted on. One of the most inspiring things I've ever worked with was the old SampleDraw app that shipped with SuperCard. A simple MacDraw-like app, it had very little code and served as an excellent example of making an app with its own documents. Most of its behaviors were simply built into the engine with the pointer tool, something that at that time was unique among xTalks. Rev's engine already provides some 90% of the core behaviors needed for simple drawing apps. Unfortunately the remaining 10% is also essential if the existing 90% is to be useful in making such apps. Once RR completes BZ items #623 and #624 whole new worlds open up, at least as easily as accomplishing the same things in SuperCard. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Draw over existing objects
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I am trying to set up an environment where I can use the standard drawing tools (graphic, field, pointer) and draw over top of a group, so that I can catch the new objects and add them to the group myself. I set the cantSelect of the group, etc., and that stuff is working okay; however, when I try to draw over the group, nothing happens. Apparently, Rev automatically tries to select an object when you mouseDown on it in pointer mode, even when you are using the graphic tool instead of the pointer tool. Thus instead of starting to draw a graphic, Rev is trying to select the group, but sees the cantSelect property and just decides to do nothing instead. Anyone know of a way to convince Rev to start the new graphic rather than just sit there when I try to draw with such a group underneath? Rev 2.5, OS X.3.whatever, etc. Thank you! - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCbSy67aqtWrR9cZoRAkqDAKCL1dtDU1J4ZY3lwBCiPsyboGJm0wCgg+KV Emd46eKmarOeRcn3rKrDEWk= =lzNq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Draw over existing objects
look at how ResizeN2O does it... http://www.monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloadsd_op=getitlid=78 Another example (but in browse mode) is how i make palettes draggeable... just intercept (or pass) the mousedown except where you shouldn't (or should)... cheers Xavier http://monsieurx.com - TAOO - the rave in RAD -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank D. Engel, Jr. Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 19:45 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Draw over existing objects -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I am trying to set up an environment where I can use the standard drawing tools (graphic, field, pointer) and draw over top of a group, so that I can catch the new objects and add them to the group myself. I set the cantSelect of the group, etc., and that stuff is working okay; however, when I try to draw over the group, nothing happens. Apparently, Rev automatically tries to select an object when you mouseDown on it in pointer mode, even when you are using the graphic tool instead of the pointer tool. Thus instead of starting to draw a graphic, Rev is trying to select the group, but sees the cantSelect property and just decides to do nothing instead. Anyone know of a way to convince Rev to start the new graphic rather than just sit there when I try to draw with such a group underneath? Rev 2.5, OS X.3.whatever, etc. Thank you! - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCbSy67aqtWrR9cZoRAkqDAKCL1dtDU1J4ZY3lwBCiPsyboGJm0wCgg+KV Emd46eKmarOeRcn3rKrDEWk= =lzNq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Draw over existing objects
Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: Anyone know of a way to convince Rev to start the new graphic rather than just sit there when I try to draw with such a group underneath? Not reliably in all cases. Anyone working on drawing apps may find these requests useful: http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=623 http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=624 -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Draw over existing objects
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yes, I'm aware of both of those requests, and have commented on (and I think voted for) both of them a while back. The first would be particularly nice for me, but in the meantime I'm trying to work around that limitation by doing this. I guess this is a no-go then, too... :-( On Apr 25, 2005, at 2:23 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: Anyone know of a way to convince Rev to start the new graphic rather than just sit there when I try to draw with such a group underneath? Not reliably in all cases. Anyone working on drawing apps may find these requests useful: http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=623 http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=624 -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCbV027aqtWrR9cZoRAva1AJwPpfftpWyFjeOBD1/es4idJzfXIACdFyPa 1Y7j2jyKMWxRzzh/5YwBeRg= =arKN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
