RE: The KRM (Re: Revolution Compatible Registration Tool)

[Scott Kane]

Hi Kee,

> We just changed our KRM rates:
> 
> 

They are much more attractive.  :-)

Scott


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Re: The KRM (Re: Revolution Compatible Registration Tool)

[kee nethery]

On Aug 23, 2005, at 8:46 AM, Dan Shafer wrote:

My concern about Kagi -- and I've been a member for a long time --  
is that their rates are quite high when compared, e.g., to PayPal.


We just changed our KRM rates:



Kee

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RE: The KRM (Re: Revolution Compatible Registration Tool)

[Scott Kane]

> This all depends on the application and its popularity... 

To some extent.  You and I have ADSL - but a huge proportion
of the world are still relying on good old dial up and will
be for some years to come.
 
> i dont care to download 20MBs updates or 300 demos if they 
> are "good" or critically needed or if they give me a 10% boost...

Nor do I.  But I have customers who *do*.

> i also got unlimided downloads and adsl going so...
> downloads dont have a price... they just compete for diskspace...

You filling your HD's like I am huh?  Hardest thing in my life is
sorting out the stuff I don't need.I have a 32 gig drive 
just for backups of tools I use sometimes.

> Elasticity of demand economix... 

True.  But we still can't lose sight of the fact that the
majority of the world isn't in our position.  ADSL in
Australia is *still* relatively expensive and most plans
have a maximum number of megs (or gigs) you can pull down
a month.  I'm on an 8 gig plan.  Some people have plans
as low as 500 meg a month.  It's getting cheaper - but
slowly and our major Telco has a monopoly on the exchanges.

Scott


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Re: The KRM (Re: Revolution Compatible Registration Tool)

[Dan Shafer]

My concern about Kagi -- and I've been a member for a long time -- is  
that their rates are quite high when compared, e.g., to PayPal.


I'm using PayPal and a PayPal support service called SoftSeller to  
handle the soft-goods fulfillment. They charge 25 cents per download  
regardless of how many files are in the download.


But none of this addresses the original concern of having partial  
software services available pending an unlock code. I think that  
requires individual scripting in the stack and some sort of  
registration process that doesn't actually deliver a product but  
rather a code that the user can use to unlock the software for full  
access. (Of course, there's no reason that you couldn't deliver a  
full version of the software as the second step, overwriting the  
original, crippled version, in which case something like  
softseller.com could work nicely.)





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RE: The KRM (Re: Revolution Compatible Registration Tool)

[MisterX]

Scott, 

This all depends on the application and its popularity... 

i dont care to download 20MBs updates or 300 demos if they are "good"
or critically needed or if they give me a 10% boost...

i also got unlimided downloads and adsl going so...
downloads dont have a price... they just compete for
diskspace...

Elasticity of demand economix... 

cheers
Xav
 
> This is an issue that is discussed over and over on various 
> newsgroups.  In some ways I think it depends on the product, 
> the type of customer and the size of the app.  A 20 meg app 
> isn't an attractive option for re-download.  But a developer 
> tool is.  Of course - I don't write 20 meg app's.  
> 
> Scott
> 
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RE: The KRM (Re: Revolution Compatible Registration Tool)

[Scott Kane]

> My concern about Kagi -- and I've been a member for a long 
> time -- is  
> that their rates are quite high when compared, e.g., to PayPal.

I'm with Regsoft right now and have been for some years.
But DigitalRiver have been making some noises that RegSoft
is a "ageing platform", which does not sound good.
 
> I'm using PayPal and a PayPal support service called SoftSeller to  
> handle the soft-goods fulfillment. They charge 25 cents per download  
> regardless of how many files are in the download.

I'm not rapt with PayPals rule changing.  But they are cheap.
 
> But none of this addresses the original concern of having partial  
> software services available pending an unlock code. I think that  
> requires individual scripting in the stack and some sort of  
> registration process that doesn't actually deliver a product but  
> rather a code that the user can use to unlock the software for full  
> access. (Of course, there's no reason that you couldn't deliver a  
> full version of the software as the second step, overwriting the  
> original, crippled version, in which case something like  
> softseller.com could work nicely.)

This is an issue that is discussed over and over on various 
newsgroups.  In some ways I think it depends on the product,
the type of customer and the size of the app.  A 20 meg
app isn't an attractive option for re-download.  But a
developer tool is.  Of course - I don't write 20 meg app's.  

Scott


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RE: The KRM (Re: Revolution Compatible Registration Tool)

[Scott Kane]

Hi Andre,

> The Revolution KRM (Kagi Registration Module) is a Revolution Stack  
> that plays the role of middle man talking to secure Kagi Server and  
> your app. It is very easy to use and very secure. Nothing is ever  
> stored on customprops or stuff like that. The connection is secure  
> and kagi protocol is very wise about errors.
> 
> The module is more than 80% done (as I showed on RevConWest) 
> the only  
> things missing are:
> 
> * I am stress testing error functions.
> * I fiddling with unicode values to see if the library can handle it  
> well.
> 
> Of course there are armadillo, eSellerate and even PayPal IPN  
> solution. You can use any of those solutions to collect money and  
> some to work out the registrarion of your app and stuff like 
> that but  
> Rev KRM is the only cross platform solution... it's built in Rev for  
> Rev...

Sounds perfect.  Just what the doctor ordered!  :-)

Scott


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