Re: Windows Portable???
Here's a chart showing some portable app creators. The ones not included in the chart make an interesting list also. HIMhttp://virtualfuture.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/ApplicationVirtCompChart2009.pdf This stuff is proliferating. Sooner or later there are going to be multiple decent free versions, and for other platforms than Windows. Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Windows-Portable-tp1583835p1585598.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows Portable???
No they are not the same. Here is a link for Windows Portable. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd388998(VS.85).aspx U3 is a standard that is Windows only and is designed to provide a better application launch experience for applications on USB drives. It works by presenting the USB drive as both a USB drive and CD. The "CD" does the auto-start and launches a catalog interface where the applications have been loaded. One of the big problems for non-Windows computers in that there are two drives that have to be ejected when finished. There was some talk of a U4 standard which would include other platforms but I haven't heard anything about that in some time. Even for Windows, U3 has not taken off and it diminishing in popularity. I chose not to support U3 with InfoWallet (where it would appear to be a perfect fit) because of the problems with Macs and Linux. It looks like the rest of the industry is losing interest as well. Bill Vlahos _ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. On Mar 7, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > Subtitled: "Naive Question 108". > > Is 'U3' the same thing as Windows Portable? > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows Portable???
Hey, this is getting badly nested . . . :) I wrote: >In the RunRev User Guide there is this: >"Compatible Build your application for the U3 smart platform. For more >information on U3 see http://www.u3.com. For more documentation on >building U3 applications using Revolution, see the Resources/Examples/U3 >Documentation.pdf file within your Revolution distribution folder. " That URL turns out to be a dud; which would seem to suggest that U3 is 'past its sell by date', or that it has moved 'elsewhere'. The URL is http://www.u3.com/ - I just quoted the RunRev PDF without actually checking the URL - silly Richmond (or, perhaps . . . ). ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows Portable???
I wrote: >In the RunRev User Guide there is this: >"Compatible Build your application for the U3 smart platform. For more >information on U3 see http://www.u3.com. For more documentation on >building U3 applications using Revolution, see the Resources/Examples/U3 >Documentation.pdf file within your Revolution distribution folder. " That URL turns out to be a dud; which would seem to suggest that U3 is 'past its sell by date', or that it has moved 'elsewhere'. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows Portable???
On 08/03/2010 19:56, Lynn Fredricks wrote: I actually liked the U3 idea, because it let developers safely allow installs on removable media so they could be used anywhere. It's all about DRM. One can also do the same sort of thing with a Live Linux USB containing the 'normal' RunRev for Linux version on it. This has, to my mind, a significant advantage over the U3 - Windows idea, in that, RunRev Studio or Enterprise for Linux can spin off a Windows standalone, but the OS on the USB key will not be prone to Windows viruses. The silly thing is that Apple have been "funny" about a bootable USB version of Mac OS X. It should be comparatively easy to build a Mac OS 9 bootable CD with the last Mac OS Classic RunRev on it; but one rather wonders why one would bother. At Revcon II there was a guy from the company that gave a a half hour demonstration. Lynn, you were there. Yes, indeed - I invited them :-) I immediately lost interest when it was announced to be a "windows only" feature. Judging by the number of Power/Macbooks in the crowd, I wasn't alone. It was an odd moment of Rev promoting a platform-specific feature. Well (b*tchy moment coming up), as quite a few features that function better in the Mac and Win versions of the current RunRev version one could say the same thing vis-a-vis Mac/Win versus Linux. One could also point out (and I can tell you that I do NOT like Windows), that whatever Mac and Linux devotees feel, Windows IS the dominant OS at the moment; and as the folks at Runtime Revolution have to fill their fridges, pay bills, and so forth, it would be very odd indeed if they didn't take that into account. I merrily pump out Windows standalones of my Devawriter, and, surprise, surprise, that is the version that is downloaded most. Frankly I would be a 'silly prune' not to release a Windows build just because I don't like Windows - I want to empower and enable as many people as I can with my little thing. I DO SO WISH I could release a Linux version, but, until the font problem is sorted out that is out of the question. Most unfortunate. That's true - but consider also that it wouldn't be in Runtime's interest to narrow all promotion to the cross-platform message. Cross platform is a key product feature of Revolution, and it does it so very well. But if you are also developing only for one platform that isnt the Mac, it shouldn't be dismissed either as a solution. There are Windows focused developers out there that have a negative gut reaction (still) with products tightly associated with Mac. Whatever your feelings about them, they still use the same type of currency as other OS users :-) Yup, Bulgaria is full of them. One of the things I am very pleased about with releases after Revolution 3 was that Rev wasn't so tightly associated with the Mac. The more units that sell, the better funded all Revolution development is. It really doesn't do RunRev's claim to be "cross-platform" much good to be tightly associated with any particular operating system . . . This is why I believe that a spot more work on the Linux version would also send a useful message :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Windows Portable???
> I actually liked the U3 idea, because it let developers > safely allow installs on removable media so they could be > used anywhere. It's all about DRM. > At Revcon II there was a guy from the company that gave a a > half hour demonstration. Lynn, you were there. Yes, indeed - I invited them :-) > I immediately lost interest when it was announced to be a > "windows only" > feature. Judging by the number of Power/Macbooks in the > crowd, I wasn't alone. > > It was an odd moment of Rev promoting a platform-specific feature. That's true - but consider also that it wouldn't be in Runtime's interest to narrow all promotion to the cross-platform message. Cross platform is a key product feature of Revolution, and it does it so very well. But if you are also developing only for one platform that isnt the Mac, it shouldn't be dismissed either as a solution. There are Windows focused developers out there that have a negative gut reaction (still) with products tightly associated with Mac. Whatever your feelings about them, they still use the same type of currency as other OS users :-) One of the things I am very pleased about with releases after Revolution 3 was that Rev wasn't so tightly associated with the Mac. The more units that sell, the better funded all Revolution development is. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows Portable???
stephen- Monday, March 8, 2010, 9:31:24 AM, you wrote: > At Revcon II there was a guy from the company that gave a a half hour > demonstration. Lynn, you were there. > I immediately lost interest when it was announced to be a "windows only" > feature. Judging by the number of Power/Macbooks in the crowd, I wasn't > alone. I also remember the flack from u3 announcing that the mac u3 version would be released soon. I think that's the last time that phrase was uttered. The first, last, and only u3 version of the IDE was 2.7.4. It *was* nice to have a portable IDE that I could carry around with me without having to install the whole thing on a new computer just so I could get some work done. As it is, my license is now installed on half a dozen computers around town. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Windows Portable???
> Quite: it does seem that it might be "just the thing" for > people who are keen on pinching other people's data . . . > doesn't exactly make me feel "all warm and cuddly". Like many toolkits and APIs, it can be abused. It does have its uses and one nice thing about this system is that it can preserve your privacy as well. You can have your own customized browser, for example, on the drive, that has its own security and password system set up. Very useful if you are using someone elses (or public) computer and don't want to take a risk that your data will be left behind after you check your email. U3 (as a company and as a product) was quite useful, but I don't think people quite "got it". They were snapped up by SanDisk and, consequently, almost no resources at SanDisk were allocated to it. I think it was done primarily to get it out of the hands of competitors. In its time though, because it was a mobile solution, it put Revolution in front of a new type of developer. I could be wrong, but I think Richard was working on a semi-similar project at one point, because U3 wasn't available on Mac or Linux. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows Portable???
I actually liked the U3 idea, because it let developers safely allow installs on removable media so they could be used anywhere. It's all about DRM. At Revcon II there was a guy from the company that gave a a half hour demonstration. Lynn, you were there. I immediately lost interest when it was announced to be a "windows only" feature. Judging by the number of Power/Macbooks in the crowd, I wasn't alone. It was an odd moment of Rev promoting a platform-specific feature. - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 8 March 2010 09:23, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 08/03/2010 19:02, Bob Sneidar wrote: > >> I believe U3 is a reference to a removable media system where simply by >> attaching it to the computing device, it would enable software on the U3 >> device to become dynamically installed in the OS, and when removed the >> software would be dynamically uninstalled, so to speak. >> >> Like any powerful tool, it can also be used for harm rather than good. I >> am not sure what the safeguards are. I know of a friend who has a USB device >> that when plugged into a computer silently downloads all the serial numbers >> and the passwords it can find on a Windows box. Later he can run software on >> the USB device to crack the Windows passwords (not a hard feat these days as >> MD5 has been quite crackable for some time). >> >> >> > > Funny sort of 'friend'. . . > > In the RunRev Studio 4 standalone settings there is an option for U3 > something-or-other. > > Presumably (?) the good folk at RunRev have put the U3 'thing' there > because they felt there > was some demand for it: after all they I don't suppose they went to the > effort of putting that there > just for the fun of it. > > Also on the downloads page: > http://www.runrev.com/downloads/all-downloads/full-list/ > > there is this: "The U3 download allows you to create programs on a U3 > flash drive system. " > > In the RunRev User Guide there is this: > > "Compatible Build your application for the U3 smart platform. For more > information on U3 see http://www.u3.com. For more documentation on > building U3 applications using Revolution, see the Resources/Examples/U3 > Documentation.pdf file within your Revolution distribution folder. " > > "U3 Documentation.pdf" is 'buried': 4.0.0-gm-1/Resources/Examples/U3 > Documentation.pdf > > Reading the document seems to suggest that a U3 USB drive does carry > something rather > similar to Windows Portable. > > This seems to say that one can build a Windows system on a USB stick > (rather like the USB > Linux systems) with 1 or more RunRev standalones rolled up in it so that > one can bung the > USB stick into any PC USB port, boot from it into one's very own Mini > Windows and run one's > standalones without having to alter any OS on the PC's hard drive(s). > > As the whole thing sounds horribly complicated I cannot see myself getting > into it right > this minute . . . :) > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows Portable???
On 08/03/2010 19:17, Lynn Fredricks wrote: It is still around, but I don't think SanDisk is giving it much love any more. Quite: it does seem that it might be "just the thing" for people who are keen on pinching other people's data . . . doesn't exactly make me feel "all warm and cuddly". ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows Portable???
On 08/03/2010 19:02, Bob Sneidar wrote: I believe U3 is a reference to a removable media system where simply by attaching it to the computing device, it would enable software on the U3 device to become dynamically installed in the OS, and when removed the software would be dynamically uninstalled, so to speak. Like any powerful tool, it can also be used for harm rather than good. I am not sure what the safeguards are. I know of a friend who has a USB device that when plugged into a computer silently downloads all the serial numbers and the passwords it can find on a Windows box. Later he can run software on the USB device to crack the Windows passwords (not a hard feat these days as MD5 has been quite crackable for some time). Funny sort of 'friend'. . . In the RunRev Studio 4 standalone settings there is an option for U3 something-or-other. Presumably (?) the good folk at RunRev have put the U3 'thing' there because they felt there was some demand for it: after all they I don't suppose they went to the effort of putting that there just for the fun of it. Also on the downloads page: http://www.runrev.com/downloads/all-downloads/full-list/ there is this: "The U3 download allows you to create programs on a U3 flash drive system. " In the RunRev User Guide there is this: "Compatible Build your application for the U3 smart platform. For more information on U3 see http://www.u3.com. For more documentation on building U3 applications using Revolution, see the Resources/Examples/U3 Documentation.pdf file within your Revolution distribution folder. " "U3 Documentation.pdf" is 'buried': 4.0.0-gm-1/Resources/Examples/U3 Documentation.pdf Reading the document seems to suggest that a U3 USB drive does carry something rather similar to Windows Portable. This seems to say that one can build a Windows system on a USB stick (rather like the USB Linux systems) with 1 or more RunRev standalones rolled up in it so that one can bung the USB stick into any PC USB port, boot from it into one's very own Mini Windows and run one's standalones without having to alter any OS on the PC's hard drive(s). As the whole thing sounds horribly complicated I cannot see myself getting into it right this minute . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Windows Portable???
U3 was/is a system now belonging to SanDisk for storing apps and data on a USB device - sorta lets you treat the device as a fake C drive so that you can set up launching a browser or other apps from the drive rather than from your hard disk. There was a special version of Rev that let you build your apps to work correctly with this, right out of the box, and basically set it up so you could pass their certification process easily. It is still around, but I don't think SanDisk is giving it much love any more. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server > -Original Message- > From: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com > [mailto:use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of > Bob Sneidar > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:02 AM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: Windows Portable??? > > I believe U3 is a reference to a removable media system where > simply by attaching it to the computing device, it would > enable software on the U3 device to become dynamically > installed in the OS, and when removed the software would be > dynamically uninstalled, so to speak. > > Like any powerful tool, it can also be used for harm rather > than good. I am not sure what the safeguards are. I know of a > friend who has a USB device that when plugged into a computer > silently downloads all the serial numbers and the passwords > it can find on a Windows box. Later he can run software on > the USB device to crack the Windows passwords (not a hard > feat these days as MD5 has been quite crackable for some time). > > hth, Bob > > > On Mar 7, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > > > Subtitled: "Naive Question 108". > > > > Is 'U3' the same thing as Windows Portable? > > ___ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows Portable???
I believe U3 is a reference to a removable media system where simply by attaching it to the computing device, it would enable software on the U3 device to become dynamically installed in the OS, and when removed the software would be dynamically uninstalled, so to speak. Like any powerful tool, it can also be used for harm rather than good. I am not sure what the safeguards are. I know of a friend who has a USB device that when plugged into a computer silently downloads all the serial numbers and the passwords it can find on a Windows box. Later he can run software on the USB device to crack the Windows passwords (not a hard feat these days as MD5 has been quite crackable for some time). hth, Bob On Mar 7, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > Subtitled: "Naive Question 108". > > Is 'U3' the same thing as Windows Portable? > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
