Re: Death of Versiontracker
That is really sad. Versiontracker was way ahead of the similar sites. I really enjoyed working with it. I went to the new CNET site and guess what, two softwares I built still there but with the wrong dl count :-/ BlogWorkz http://download.cnet.com/BlogWorkz/3000-10440_4-10254441.html?tag=mncol iBlog http://download.cnet.com/iBlog-Classic/3000-2155_4-20585.html?tag=mncol There's an interesting story there. Once upon a time, when blogs were not as mainstream as they are today, back in Mac OS 9, I created the first blog client for the Macintosh. I think I was one of the first developers to support Pyra/Blogger API 1.0. The software was called iBlog and was done with REALBasic (this is before me migrating my development to Rev). iBlog was quite successful but times marched on and Mac OS X was released. The first REALBasic release for Mac OS X was quite buggy so I decided to learn Objective-C/Cocoa to develop a native client and so BlogWorkz was built. BlogWorkz is basically a clone of iBlog implemented in a different toolkit. For a while, I controlled a big chunk of the blog client for mac ecosystem and it was fun because I controlled the competition because I made both clients and improved them like matching features on each other for a while. Some people started saying that BlogWorkz was better, others saying that iBlog was there first and was more stable, many never noticed that a single developer built both clients... I had mischievous fun seeing this happen because both clients were hosted at the same domain and no one noticed. Later I discovered Rev and reimplemented BlogWorkz in Rev. I also created BRP (Blog Research Project) in Rev which is a basic iBlog reimplementation done in a single day. I never released the new version because these days there are so many blog clients available that it is not worth to implement all the features they have just for the sake of competition. VersionTracker was my main source of customers. MacUpdate never came close. I'd spend my morning looking on the web for high profile macintosh bloggers, I would send them a free copy of my software and kindly ask for a review and feedback. This practice was responsible for maybe 30% of the sales, the rest was people searching VersionTracker. Till today, BlogWorkz still sells a license or two per year. I usually refund them and give the guys a serial anyway, it is no longer supported. On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Lynn Fredricks lfredri...@proactive-intl.com wrote: http://support.versiontracker.com/cgi-bin/cnettechtracker.cfg/php/enduser/st d_adp.php?p_faqid=1988tag=StickyWin_1283912963975;vtWelcomeModal This link showed up on tidbits - very sad. Versiontracker was once the place you just had to submit your mac product to, to get the word out. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Death of Versiontracker
Lynn Fredricks wrote: http://support.versiontracker.com/cgi-bin/cnettechtracker.cfg/php/enduser/st d_adp.php?p_faqid=1988tag=StickyWin_1283912963975;vtWelcomeModal This link showed up on tidbits - very sad. Versiontracker was once the place you just had to submit your mac product to, to get the word out. Very sad. VersionTracker was by far the most efficient and effective place to post apps. Such consolidation in markets sometimes has unexpected consequences: When Starbucks started destroying the revenue of so many privately owned coffee houses, an unexpected side effect was the impact on the independent music scene. When bands play at clubs, most of the audience are friends of the band who show up to hear their pals and leave as soon as they're off stage, so bands don't get many new fans in clubs. But a lot of privately owned coffee houses host regular music events, and in those venues the audience is there to hang out for the scene more than the band, so those shops wound up playing a useful role in expanding the listener base for many small bands I know. Now that so many such coffee houses have been displaced by Starbucks, a lot of good music when with them. It's hard to say what the long-term implications of VersionTracker's demise will be. But given their unparalleled excellence, it won't be good. Download.com may have the eyeballs, but it simply doesn't have anywhere near as good an infrastructure for developers. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Death of Versiontracker
Hi, This is no news. The process started 2 years ago and has now been completed. The only goal of the merge was to take out a competitor. It is sad indeed, because I was a happy user of VersionTracker. VT helped me to publish software and generate money. C|Net makes this impossible, unless I am willing to pay for their services, which I am not. From experience, I must say that C|Net's services are of very low quality, the support department is largely disfunctional, the developer portal is broken in many places (I'm unable to update my old products at the moment), and your new software is listed after a very long delay, when you're about to release yet another version already. If you don't pay, your software will never appear on the front page. All this is very different from what VT once was. Because I saw this coming, I made a start with my own software publishing site. I would like to encourage you all to enter your software at http://www.quickestpublisher.com . I promise: the more software titles are entered, the better I will make the website. Of course, RunRev developers will enjoy special benefits (possibilities I'm considereing are: special offers, RunRev-compatible API, plug-ins, etc). -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every* Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed. On 8 sep 2010, at 16:45, Andre Garzia wrote: That is really sad. Versiontracker was way ahead of the similar sites. I really enjoyed working with it. I went to the new CNET site and guess what, two softwares I built still there but with the wrong dl count :-/ BlogWorkz http://download.cnet.com/BlogWorkz/3000-10440_4-10254441.html?tag=mncol iBlog http://download.cnet.com/iBlog-Classic/3000-2155_4-20585.html?tag=mncol There's an interesting story there. Once upon a time, when blogs were not as mainstream as they are today, back in Mac OS 9, I created the first blog client for the Macintosh. I think I was one of the first developers to support Pyra/Blogger API 1.0. The software was called iBlog and was done with REALBasic (this is before me migrating my development to Rev). iBlog was quite successful but times marched on and Mac OS X was released. The first REALBasic release for Mac OS X was quite buggy so I decided to learn Objective-C/Cocoa to develop a native client and so BlogWorkz was built. BlogWorkz is basically a clone of iBlog implemented in a different toolkit. For a while, I controlled a big chunk of the blog client for mac ecosystem and it was fun because I controlled the competition because I made both clients and improved them like matching features on each other for a while. Some people started saying that BlogWorkz was better, others saying that iBlog was there first and was more stable, many never noticed that a single developer built both clients... I had mischievous fun seeing this happen because both clients were hosted at the same domain and no one noticed. Later I discovered Rev and reimplemented BlogWorkz in Rev. I also created BRP (Blog Research Project) in Rev which is a basic iBlog reimplementation done in a single day. I never released the new version because these days there are so many blog clients available that it is not worth to implement all the features they have just for the sake of competition. VersionTracker was my main source of customers. MacUpdate never came close. I'd spend my morning looking on the web for high profile macintosh bloggers, I would send them a free copy of my software and kindly ask for a review and feedback. This practice was responsible for maybe 30% of the sales, the rest was people searching VersionTracker. Till today, BlogWorkz still sells a license or two per year. I usually refund them and give the guys a serial anyway, it is no longer supported. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Death of Versiontracker
It's hard to say what the long-term implications of VersionTracker's demise will be. But given their unparalleled excellence, it won't be good. Download.com may have the eyeballs, but it simply doesn't have anywhere near as good an infrastructure for developers. It's a terrible experience - of course if you are paying to submit, at least you can count on getting some kind of response. It is the unfortunate result of companies getting acquired - from the outside you never quite know what the reasons were, and frequently the sellers really do not care if the product is subsequently killed or not. Then you have some level of sabotage that occurs when you try to gel two (or more teams). Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Mirye Software Publishing http://www.mirye.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Death of Versiontracker
I totally needed this thread today! I spent a very frustrating 45 mins this morning attempting to update one of my titles both on Versiontracker and CNET/Download.com and while it let me waste my time filling in all the new info, when I hit the SUBMIT button it said page not found or something to that effect. I tried it twice and neither time did it take. It left me miserable all morning until I read this thread. At least now I know it isn't me. Thank you for posting this! Shari ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Death of Versiontracker
Hi Shari, That's exactly what happened to me and when I tried to contact support, pressing the Submit button didn't seem to have any effect. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every* Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed. On 8 sep 2010, at 17:24, sh...@gypsyware.com wrote: I totally needed this thread today! I spent a very frustrating 45 mins this morning attempting to update one of my titles both on Versiontracker and CNET/Download.com and while it let me waste my time filling in all the new info, when I hit the SUBMIT button it said page not found or something to that effect. I tried it twice and neither time did it take. It left me miserable all morning until I read this thread. At least now I know it isn't me. Thank you for posting this! Shari ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Death of Versiontracker
I send my stuff out through MacUpdate, which is all very well for Mac software; but I would like to find something similar for Windows and Linux. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Death of Versiontracker
Safari doesn't work. You have to use Firefox. I agree this isn't new. They have been integrated for a while. When I first published InfoWallet it made it to the Mac site immediately. The Windows version had to go through CNET and took forever. The guy who did the Mac side was the guy who did VersionTracker. He was terrific. Bill Vlahos _ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. On Sep 8, 2010, at 8:24 AM, sh...@gypsyware.com wrote: I totally needed this thread today! I spent a very frustrating 45 mins this morning attempting to update one of my titles both on Versiontracker and CNET/Download.com and while it let me waste my time filling in all the new info, when I hit the SUBMIT button it said page not found or something to that effect. I tried it twice and neither time did it take. It left me miserable all morning until I read this thread. At least now I know it isn't me. Thank you for posting this! Shari ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Death of Versiontracker
I use Firefox. The developers' portal of C|Net doesn't work for me. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every* Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed. On 8 sep 2010, at 19:02, Bill Vlahos wrote: Safari doesn't work. You have to use Firefox. I agree this isn't new. They have been integrated for a while. When I first published InfoWallet it made it to the Mac site immediately. The Windows version had to go through CNET and took forever. The guy who did the Mac side was the guy who did VersionTracker. He was terrific. Bill Vlahos ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Death of Versiontracker
I use Camino. I don't even have the others installed. Safari doesn't work. You have to use Firefox. I agree this isn't new. They have been integrated for a while. When I first published InfoWallet it made it to the Mac site immediately. The Windows version had to go through CNET and took forever. The guy who did the Mac side was the guy who did VersionTracker. He was terrific. Bill Vlahos ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Death of Versiontracker
On 08/09/2010 16:02, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote: This is no news. The process started 2 years ago and has now been completed. The only goal of the merge was to take out a competitor. It is sad indeed, because I was a happy user of VersionTracker. VT helped me to publish software and generate money. C|Net makes this impossible, unless I am willing to pay for their services, which I am not. From experience, I must say that C|Net's services are of very low quality, the support department is largely disfunctional, the developer portal is broken in many places (I'm unable to update my old products at the moment), and your new software is listed after a very long delay, when you're about to release yet another version already. If you don't pay, your software will never appear on the front page. All this is very different from what VT once was. I have to say that I agree. VersionTracker worked really well. Every time we've worked with download.com we've found it to be hard to use, for the service to be slow and inefficient. The site is simply not as much fun for the end user either. I hope they learn something from VersionTracker and upgrade it, because if not this is not a good thing. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ RunRev - Software construction for everyone ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Death of Versiontracker
The final whack... after spending all that time on both Versiontracker and CNET just trying to figure out how to find my products, and then making two attempts to update a title unsuccessfully, I get the final whack. They sent me an email confirmation that I can now start receiving their CNET newsletters at my email address, which has not changed in probably ten years. I had to log in yet again to make sure I wasn't opted into receiving this junk mail. It did not appear that I was which is good because I had this vision of attempting to opt out and getting a SORRY YOU CAN'T OPT OUT error page. Very annoying! -- Bad Dog Books http://books.gityasome.com Critters, humor, patriots and sports t-shirts http://www.villagetshirts.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
