Re: Franklin Audio Intro Pricing Ends Soon; New Testable Too!
Bob Sneidar wrote: snip My last purchase was a Dell laptop, and I've been impressed with the good performance and solid construction of the machine. I got that one second-hand, but now that I know how to get OS-less computers from Dell my next one will probably be from them. Just be aware that beyond the extended 3 year warranty (which you pay extra for) Dell offers NO SERVICE WHATSOEVER. That means if your laptop dumps at 1 year and 1 day and you didn't get the extended warranty, your are SOL. Are you talking about Dell or Apple? ;) As a long-time Apple customer, I'm accustomed to paying extra for the extended warranty. The Apple support forums are full of sad stories of people who didn't get it, but since I always do with every computer I've generally had a good experience with the many Mac repairs I've needed over the years. Of course, they might sell you a warranty if you don't tell them the computer is broke. After 3 years you cannot get any parts or get repairs at an authorized Dell service center, because THERE ISN'T ANY SUCH THING. After three years I generally order parts via Ebay and pull out my screwdriver, with all makes. Once the warranty is gone, I'm free to mod at will. :) I was buying Dells for the Church up till I learned that little tidbit. Now it's HP's I think. I like HPs too. A couple of their models are very attractive, and apparently they offer the same OS-free option through their business sales. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Franklin Audio Intro Pricing Ends Soon; New Testable Too!
I mean that Dell will not repair your computer beyond the 3 years extended warranty, because they have no infrastructure to do that. Apple will repair a 10 year old computer if they still have parts, as long as you are willing to pay for it, and I happen to live down the street from an Apple store (not everyone has that luxury I know). Bob On Oct 20, 2010, at 8:49 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Just be aware that beyond the extended 3 year warranty (which you pay extra for) Dell offers NO SERVICE WHATSOEVER. That means if your laptop dumps at 1 year and 1 day and you didn't get the extended warranty, your are SOL. Are you talking about Dell or Apple? ;) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Franklin Audio Intro Pricing Ends Soon; New Testable Too!
Just be aware that beyond the extended 3 year warranty (which you pay extra for) Dell offers NO SERVICE WHATSOEVER. That means if your laptop dumps at 1 year and 1 day and you didn't get the extended warranty, your are SOL. Of course, they might sell you a warranty if you don't tell them the computer is broke. After 3 years you cannot get any parts or get repairs at an authorized Dell service center, because THERE ISN'T ANY SUCH THING. I was buying Dells for the Church up till I learned that little tidbit. Now it's HP's I think. Bob snip My last purchase was a Dell laptop, and I've been impressed with the good performance and solid construction of the machine. I got that one second-hand, but now that I know how to get OS-less computers from Dell my next one will probably be from them. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Franklin Audio Intro Pricing Ends Soon; New Testable Too!
1) what kind of sounds can we play? formats? 2) what kind of sounds can we record? 3) are there any basic edit and mix function? (sound level, cut, append, soft merge..) 4) multi channel : possible to loop a basic sound and add some more on events on top? I tried last version and got same irregular error at start up of combined sounds.. and then ok. And found no information of any sort.. ! Franklin Audio is based on OpenAL as Ruslan said. Its primary purpose is to provide multi-channel, spacial playback without requiring QuickTime. Looping is possible using the API - you can loop each discreet sound being played back. My understanding it that it works with .wav files. There are C++ extensions that add other capabilities and format support. If enough people license Franklin Audio and there are requests for new features, we will look at adding them. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Franklin Audio Intro Pricing Ends Soon; New Testable Too!
On 18/10/2010 08:54, Lynn Fredricks wrote: Franklin Audio is based on OpenAL as Ruslan said. Its primary purpose is to provide multi-channel, spacial playback without requiring QuickTime. Looping is possible using the API - you can loop each discreet sound being played back. My understanding it that it works with .wav files. There are C++ extensions that add other capabilities and format support. Is it available for Linux? I did a project deployed on about 75 custom-made solid-state computers, and the only reason we had to use Windows (which added about $120 to the price for each unit) was the poor support for sound playback under Linux. So in that case a library that allowed us to use Linux would have had a signficant value... Ben ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Franklin Audio Intro Pricing Ends Soon; New Testable Too!
Thanks I had a look at the openAL site. First glance it looks a little bit like getting the rolls royce before the bycicle.. ! I Understand the interest of 3D audio in the context of games. Now the question of format is an important usability issue for two reasons : 1) shall I have to re encode in what? and with what program? 2) can a stack offer some recording function to the user together with a light storage format like mp3 or ogg? (how fat will a stack with openAL sound be?) And I have not found that info so far in the openAL site! The two major problems I have faced with audio in rev are : -- size : the standard audio sound in rev is uncompressed -- basic editing : trimming, merging which are non existent (except the trick to change the audio level while playing to achieve a kind of soft mixed transition impression) Turnarounds so far is : use video format without images + trevor's enhanced quicktime library for editing, + lame for transcoding the result into mp3, and play as video in the end. That works on mac, perhaps more chaotic in PC windows and not on linux.. but requires installation of lame in the OS, which is not so great to distribute a stack. So that is where my needs are regarding an audio library - record in wave is ok - edit, trim, merge : ?? - transcode into mp3 : ?? - play in loops and possibly in parallel which openAL seems to do well! and I guess I'm not the only one around! So it would be great if the Franklin demo stack of the openAL wrap showed a full cycle from recording to outputting. Possible? Hope! Robert -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Franklin-Audio-Intro-Pricing-Ends-Soon-New-Testable-Too-tp2997313p3000262.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Franklin Audio Intro Pricing Ends Soon; New Testable Too!
Hi Ben, Is it available for Linux? I did a project deployed on about 75 custom-made solid-state computers, and the only reason we had to use Windows (which added about $120 to the price for each unit) was the poor support for sound playback under Linux. So in that case a library that allowed us to use Linux would have had a signficant value... Building externals and add-ons for Rev / LiveCode or any platform for that matter really requires there being enough real buyers there to make it worth doing - or some big project that can finance it. If you can gather enough people togther to pre-pay for a Linux version, I am sure we could prioritize it. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Franklin Audio Intro Pricing Ends Soon; New Testable Too!
So it would be great if the Franklin demo stack of the openAL wrap showed a full cycle from recording to outputting. Possible? The limited samples started with those that came with OpenAL, but we actually improved on one of them. Have you looked at the docs on the Franklin site yet? I think most of the OpenAL docs are there in a more rev version. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Franklin Audio Intro Pricing Ends Soon; New Testable Too!
Hi Lynn. Well after digging in, I found there were two folders that contained the test stack. I has assumed that the installer would simply overwrite the initial files and everything would be updated. I get gunshots now and all seems to be working as advertised. Bob On Oct 17, 2010, at 10:54 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: Hi Bob, If I stop and start again, it always seems to work the second time. After that it is random whether it works or not. I can stop and start again and it may work and it may not. No sound works if one sound does not work. It would be great if you could get this into MANTIS. We have that queued up so that the engineers review everything that comes in, check it and test. The original two betas for Windows had big problems with XP - I can confirm those myself ;-) But I've the newest version working fine on Win XP Pro SP3. Did you try with the most recent update? Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Franklin Audio Intro Pricing Ends Soon; New Testable Too!
Ben Rubinstein wrote: I did a project deployed on about 75 custom-made solid-state computers, and the only reason we had to use Windows (which added about $120 to the price for each unit)... I used to wonder where I can get a machine without an OS preinstalled, and here's a shopping tip which apparently you know but I just learned a few days ago at my local Linux user group: With Dell and HP (and maybe a few others), if you buy through the business section you can specify that the computer come with no OS installed, and this usually knocks off about $100 or so from the purchase price. This option isn't advertised in the normal consumer section, where to get their good pricing with Microsoft they're required to put up a silly banner that says We recommend Windows 7 or some such. My last purchase was a Dell laptop, and I've been impressed with the good performance and solid construction of the machine. I got that one second-hand, but now that I know how to get OS-less computers from Dell my next one will probably be from them. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Franklin Audio Intro Pricing Ends Soon; New Testable Too!
On 10/18/10 7:15 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: Hi Lynn. Well after digging in, I found there were two folders that contained the test stack. I has assumed that the installer would simply overwrite the initial files and everything would be updated. I get gunshots now and all seems to be working as advertised. Ok Bob, Thanks for this info. Let me underline, we have remove that second example with buttons, Because we have found that its C++ original have the same glitches on XP. Most probably this C++ example do something wrong. So we have use another example to show multi-channel work. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Franklin Audio Intro Pricing Ends Soon; New Testable Too!
Hi Bob, If I stop and start again, it always seems to work the second time. After that it is random whether it works or not. I can stop and start again and it may work and it may not. No sound works if one sound does not work. It would be great if you could get this into MANTIS. We have that queued up so that the engineers review everything that comes in, check it and test. The original two betas for Windows had big problems with XP - I can confirm those myself ;-) But I've the newest version working fine on Win XP Pro SP3. Did you try with the most recent update? Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Franklin Audio Intro Pricing Ends Soon; New Testable Too!
Thanks for the offer... Id' love to participate.. but still would have liked just a little more information !! 1) what kind of sounds can we play? formats? 2) what kind of sounds can we record? 3) are there any basic edit and mix function? (sound level, cut, append, soft merge..) 4) multi channel : possible to loop a basic sound and add some more on events on top? I tried last version and got same irregular error at start up of combined sounds.. and then ok. And found no information of any sort.. ! Many thanks.. and I'll follow that.. Robert -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Franklin-Audio-Intro-Pricing-Ends-Soon-New-Testable-Too-tp2997313p2999643.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Franklin Audio Intro Pricing Ends Soon; New Testable Too!
On 10/18/10 7:01 AM, Robert Mann r...@free.fr wrote: Hi Robert, Thanks for the offer... Id' love to participate.. but still would have liked just a little more information !! This Audio plugin is WRAPPER to famous OpenAL audio library. http://connect.creativelabs.com/openal/default.aspx I think you can and should its own site to get answers on all your questions. This library is used very widely for game development. This library present right in MAC OS X as framework. - And we link to it. 1) what kind of sounds can we play? formats? 2) what kind of sounds can we record? 3) are there any basic edit and mix function? (sound level, cut, append, soft merge..) 4) multi channel : possible to loop a basic sound and add some more on events on top? I tried last version and got same irregular error at start up of combined sounds.. and then ok. Win / mac? Latest beta archive contains new simplified second example for multi-buffers. And found no information of any sort.. ! http://franklin3d.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=franklin:audio:revolution:api:api We provide mainly WIKI for Franklin Audio API which is in REV style. Agree not many sense for us, to repeat info located on original OpenAL site. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Franklin Audio Intro Pricing Ends Soon; New Testable Too!
On 10/18/10 7:01 AM, Robert Mann r...@free.fr wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenAL And google about OpenAL finds tons of pages with third party tutorial, advices, or Technotes from Apple. Thanks for the offer... Id' love to participate.. but still would have liked just a little more information !! 1) what kind of sounds can we play? formats? 2) what kind of sounds can we record? 3) are there any basic edit and mix function? (sound level, cut, append, soft merge..) 4) multi channel : possible to loop a basic sound and add some more on events on top? I tried last version and got same irregular error at start up of combined sounds.. and then ok. And found no information of any sort.. ! Many thanks.. and I'll follow that.. Robert -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Franklin Audio Intro Pricing Ends Soon; New Testable Too!
Thank you Lynn, but what about music ? René Le 15 oct. 2010 à 18:21, Lynn Fredricks a écrit : Hello all, Franklin Audio, our multi-channel audio external for LiveCode (Windows and Mac deployment) is good enough to start selling. Franklin Audio is an external that lets you manipulate audio without enslavement to mighty pharaoh QuickTime. It is more sophisticated that just simple playback however, because it lets you buffer you audio and then play it back in a spacial (3D) way relative to a virtual listener. It doesn't matter if that listener is listening through speakers or a headset, though you will notice a big difference the more sophisticated your audio set up. We've ported over the OpenAL API for use with LiveCode, so you have almost the same level of control over it as if you were working with the original C++ libraries. Final release is going to happen very soon, but until then, we are offering Franklin Audio at a discounted price - $39 (regularly $59) per platform or $69 for both Mac OS X and Windows (regular $99). It will be regular priced after we finalize. Yes, royalty free distribution of course :-) Product Page: http://franklin3d.com/products/franklin-audio Ugly Beta Downloads Link : http://franklin3d.com/download/beta/audio/ Did you have a problem with previous beta? If you tried the last beta and had problems (esp on Win XP Pro) I encourage you (yes, Im talking to you, Mark W ;-)) to try this one. Set up does require taking a few steps, but we've confirmed it working on some of the more challenging Windows XP Pro set ups. If you installed previously, make sure you remove the previous version files, run the standard installer, then you'll need to open the install.rev project to register it with Rev or LiveCode. Then, restart Rev / LiveCode. If it doesn't work, you may need a computer restart. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Franklin Audio Intro Pricing Ends Soon; New Testable Too!
I'm not sure what you mean by the previous version files. Do you mean the stack itself, or all the associated support files, or files created by the stack? At any rate, I am experiencing the same problems on my Macbook Pro running OS X 10.6.4. Usually the first time I initialize for the multiple sounds, none of the sounds work, and I randomly get an error in the buffer. I don't get an error every time. If I stop and start again, it always seems to work the second time. After that it is random whether it works or not. I can stop and start again and it may work and it may not. No sound works if one sound does not work. Anything else I can do to help please let me know. This is a great effort. Btw, I was wondering if the sounds can be looped. I noticed if I click the same sound a second time, a second instance of the sound starts playing. What is the limit of simultaneous sounds? Bob On Oct 15, 2010, at 9:21 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: Did you have a problem with previous beta? If you tried the last beta and had problems (esp on Win XP Pro) I encourage you (yes, Im talking to you, Mark W ;-)) to try this one. Set up does require taking a few steps, but we've confirmed it working on some of the more challenging Windows XP Pro set ups. If you installed previously, make sure you remove the previous version files, run the standard installer, then you'll need to open the install.rev project to register it with Rev or LiveCode. Then, restart Rev / LiveCode. If it doesn't work, you may need a computer restart. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Franklin Audio Intro Pricing Ends Soon; New Testable Too!
Hi Bob, I'm not sure what you mean by the previous version files. Do you mean the stack itself, or all the associated support files, or files created by the stack? Toss everything and reinstall. At any rate, I am experiencing the same problems on my Macbook Pro running OS X 10.6.4. Usually the first time I initialize for the multiple sounds, none of the sounds work, and I randomly get an error in the buffer. I don't get an error every time. If I stop and start again, it always seems to work the second time. After that it is random whether it works or not. I can stop and start again and it may work and it may not. No sound works if one sound does not work. It would be great if you could get this into MANTIS. We have that queued up so that the engineers review everything that comes in, check it and test. The original two betas for Windows had big problems with XP - I can confirm those myself ;-) But I've the newest version working fine on Win XP Pro SP3. Anything else I can do to help please let me know. This is a great effort. Btw, I was wondering if the sounds can be looped. I noticed if I click the same sound a second time, a second instance of the sound starts playing. What is the limit of simultaneous sounds? My understanding is that you load into a buffer, then you can set that buffered audio to loop or not loop, pause, rewind, and that buffer can be used within the 3D space from a point, and even achieve dopler effects and distance attenuation. My understanding based on use of the library is that 32 is the maximum number its been tested with using the C++ API, though I believe its possible to go beyond that. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Franklin Audio Intro Pricing Ends Soon; New Testable Too!
Well I went to www.mantis.com. It's a gardening equipment site. LOL! I suspect Mantis is a bug reporting site. If you have a link I will be happy to post there. Bob On Oct 15, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: If I stop and start again, it always seems to work the second time. After that it is random whether it works or not. I can stop and start again and it may work and it may not. No sound works if one sound does not work. It would be great if you could get this into MANTIS. We have that queued up so that the engineers review everything that comes in, check it and test. The original two betas for Windows had big problems with XP - I can confirm those myself ;-) But I've the newest version working fine on Win XP Pro SP3. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Franklin Audio Intro Pricing Ends Soon; New Testable Too!
Hi Bob, Well I went to www.mantis.com. It's a gardening equipment site. LOL! I suspect Mantis is a bug reporting site. If you have a link I will be happy to post there. Right here: http://www.franklin3d.com/bt/ Mantis is a bug/incident tracking software we use. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
