Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!
On 07/08/2010 01:22 PM, viktoras d. wrote: well, in my language gratuit = nemokamas, libre = laisvas (~4000 000 speakers only) and, as far as I know, in Russian (безплатный & свободный) you can not translate English word "free" without knowing the exact context it is used in because meanings of these two words never intersect. Strangely we still have prime between 2 and 4 ;-) Viktoras The Russians have had problems with the concept for freedom for many years . . . :) George Orwell knew all about that. However безплатни means that it costs no money, (от платено - paying) and свободен means unrestricted, as in свобода жена; a woman unfettered by the bonds of marriage or social convention. Just to make it "more fun" in Bulgarian there is a contrast between: свобода and свободия; the latter meaning completely unrestricted freedom without any sense of self-control. However: кой имат нещо за нищо ? това е най голяма шегата ! поздраве, Ричмънд Матюсън. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!
well, in my language gratuit = nemokamas, libre = laisvas (~4000 000 speakers only) and, as far as I know, in Russian (безплатный & свободный) you can not translate English word "free" without knowing the exact context it is used in because meanings of these two words never intersect. Strangely we still have prime between 2 and 4 ;-) Viktoras Francis Nugent Dixon wrote: Hi from Beautiful Brittany, Rene Micout wrote : In French we have 2 words for "free" free = gratuit (no money !) free = libre (open ?) ;-) Strange - In English we have the same possibilities ! We also have the prime number between two and four :>) "Etonnant - Non ?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBRospPh4JA Merci à Pierre Desproges -Francis "Nothing should ever be done for the first time !" ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Absolument nécessaire ! :-) + :-) Le 8 juil. 2010 à 11:47, Francis Nugent Dixon a écrit : > "Etonnant - Non ?" > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBRospPh4JA > > Merci à Pierre Desproges ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!
On 07/08/2010 12:47 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote: Hi from Beautiful Brittany, Rene Micout wrote : In French we have 2 words for "free" free = gratuit (no money !) free = libre (open ?) ;-) Strange - In English we have the same possibilities ! We also have the prime number between two and four :>) "Etonnant - Non ?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBRospPh4JA Merci à Pierre Desproges -Francis "Nothing should ever be done for the first time !" There are many parts of the world where there are several "prime numbers" between 2 and 4: certainly in Egypt I found that 'free' was used in the sense of "we'll make free with your money" and "we'll free you of your money" now as far as I can see that is at least 2 prime numbers . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!
Hi from Beautiful Brittany, Rene Micout wrote : In French we have 2 words for "free" free = gratuit (no money !) free = libre (open ?) ;-) Strange - In English we have the same possibilities ! We also have the prime number between two and four :>) "Etonnant - Non ?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBRospPh4JA Merci à Pierre Desproges -Francis "Nothing should ever be done for the first time !" ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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LIbationator. Has connotations of religion, and forceful intoxication. Or conversly, to "Arnold the beer" means to terminate it with extreme prejudice. On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote: > Hi Andre, > > Am 07.07.2010 um 20:04 schrieb Andre Garzia: > >> I've liberated beer before... what that makes me, a liberator? > > Probably a libeerator :-) > > > Best > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Major > http://www.major-k.de > kl...@major.on-rev.com > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!
On Jul 7, 2010, at 1:10 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 9:28:01 AM, you wrote: In French we have 2 words for "free" free = gratuit (no money !) free = libre (open ?) ;-) Yes, in English as well: "The puppies are free" is quite ambiguous. But only as and adjective - as a verb this is not the case I always thought the New Hampshire state motto had a rather sinister subtext: "Live free or die!" (getting the double-entendre requires that you know that NH prides itself on having very low taxes, and thus very limited social services) -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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¡El mero Simon Bolivar de la Revolución escocés... en Brazil! On Jul 7, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > I've liberated beer before... what that makes me, a liberator? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!
On 07/07/2010 09:28 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Richmond- Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 10:40:56 AM, you wrote: Now, once one moves away from the free software model we are in different territory; and I don't think the 2 really overlap. Chris Anderson has some thought-provoking things to say about the concept of "free", including several use-case models where free makes sound profitable business sense in a free-market (no pun intended) (all right...actually I couldn't resist it) economy. https://www.amazon.com/Free-Future-Radical-Chris-Anderson/dp/1401322905 Well, as a free-market economy doesn't really exist anywhere (the successful players in the market bending over backwards to restrict competition) that is probably rather theoretical. A male tiger coming upon a female tiger with cubs, will kill the cubs so as to bring the female into oestrus so he can mate with her and secure his own genetic line. Mind you when I try to visualise the likes of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates as male tigers I split my sides laughing! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Richmond- Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 10:40:56 AM, you wrote: > Now, once one moves away from the free software model we are in > different territory; > and I don't think the 2 really overlap. Chris Anderson has some thought-provoking things to say about the concept of "free", including several use-case models where free makes sound profitable business sense in a free-market (no pun intended) (all right...actually I couldn't resist it) economy. https://www.amazon.com/Free-Future-Radical-Chris-Anderson/dp/1401322905 -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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> > > > > I've liberated beer before... what that makes me, a liberator? > > > > Probably a libeerator :-) > > > > > http://raoworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/facepalm.jpg > > ;-) > actually, I have a star trek costume exactly like that... will exercise my piccard facepalm look... > > Jeff M. > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote: > Hi Andre, > > Am 07.07.2010 um 20:04 schrieb Andre Garzia: > > > I've liberated beer before... what that makes me, a liberator? > > Probably a libeerator :-) > > http://raoworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/facepalm.jpg ;-) Jeff M. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Hi Andre, Am 07.07.2010 um 20:04 schrieb Andre Garzia: > I've liberated beer before... what that makes me, a liberator? Probably a libeerator :-) Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de kl...@major.on-rev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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I've liberated beer before... what that makes me, a liberator? On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Mike Bonner wrote: > Mmm liberated beer. > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Mark Wieder > wrote: > > René- > > > > Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 9:28:01 AM, you wrote: > > > >> In French we have 2 words for "free" > >> free = gratuit (no money !) > >> free = libre (open ?) > >> ;-) > > > > Yes, in English as well: "The puppies are free" is quite ambiguous. > > But only as and adjective - as a verb this is not the case. You can't, > > for example, free beer, unless you're liberating it from its > > container and pouring a round for the room. > > > > -- > > -Mark Wieder > > mwie...@ahsoftware.net > > > > ___ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!
In America, they are kind of related. I "open" (libre) my wallet, see there's no money there, so whatever I get had better be "free" (gratuit). Bob On Jul 7, 2010, at 9:28 AM, René Micout wrote: > In French we have 2 words for "free" > free = gratuit (no money !) > free = libre (open ?) > ;-) > > Le 7 juil. 2010 à 18:20, Mark Wieder a écrit : > >> Richmond- >> >> Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 9:12:50 AM, you wrote: >> >>> I don't suppose one should expect TOO much for $49. >> >> Er... ... but aren't you the one who's always extolling the >> virtues of *free* software? >> >> -- >> -Mark Wieder >> mwie...@ahsoftware.net >> >> ___ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!
On 07/07/2010 07:20 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Richmond- Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 9:12:50 AM, you wrote: I don't suppose one should expect TOO much for $49. Er.. but aren't you the one who's always extolling the virtues of *free* software? Yes; I do extoll the virtues of free software; and I have released some free software myself - it comes "as is". I was only able to release that because I do not depend on software sales for my bread and cheese. Now, once one moves away from the free software model we are in different territory; and I don't think the 2 really overlap. I will be releasing a commercial variant of my free software in mid to late August; mainly because the cost of bread and cheese is going up faster than my non-software income . . . :) And, to tell the truth, because I have had a 34 year fantasy that one day I might be a "real" computer programmer who lives off his work. If we examine RunRev; its model starts with a free version, revMedia, which is supported by 2 commercial variants of the same thing - it is marvellous insofar as everybody can "come to the table"; but those who want a glass of wine and a side-dish have to pay. As the glass of wine and so on is really considerably more than revMedia they have to pay quite a lot. Of course there is NO SUCH THING as free software; all people who write software have to eat; there are, however, various ways in which they can get their food. In my own case my 'free' software is 'paid for' by the parents who send their children to my EFL school (if only they knew . . .). As soon as I see software that is not 'free' (i.e. the end-user is expected to pay for something) I suspect that the programmer may be expecting to live fully or partly from software revenues. If that is so, and the cost of bread-and-cheese is anything like what it is in Bulgaria they are going to have to shift a lot of units at $49 a pop. OR; some people have done a "quick-n-dirty" to see if 'the fish will bite', and if so, they can invest considerably more time and effort in 'version 2' for which they will charge considerably more money. -- Pretentious or what? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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> Yes, in English as well: "The puppies are free" is quite ambiguous. > But only as and adjective - as a verb this is not the case. > You can't, for example, free beer, unless you're liberating > it from its container and pouring a round for the room. The "free as in beer" description always bothered me - after all, it can only be used once ;-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Mmm liberated beer. On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > René- > > Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 9:28:01 AM, you wrote: > >> In French we have 2 words for "free" >> free = gratuit (no money !) >> free = libre (open ?) >> ;-) > > Yes, in English as well: "The puppies are free" is quite ambiguous. > But only as and adjective - as a verb this is not the case. You can't, > for example, free beer, unless you're liberating it from its > container and pouring a round for the room. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwie...@ahsoftware.net > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!
René- Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 9:28:01 AM, you wrote: > In French we have 2 words for "free" > free = gratuit (no money !) > free = libre (open ?) > ;-) Yes, in English as well: "The puppies are free" is quite ambiguous. But only as and adjective - as a verb this is not the case. You can't, for example, free beer, unless you're liberating it from its container and pouring a round for the room. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!
In French we have 2 words for "free" free = gratuit (no money !) free = libre (open ?) ;-) Le 7 juil. 2010 à 18:20, Mark Wieder a écrit : > Richmond- > > Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 9:12:50 AM, you wrote: > >> I don't suppose one should expect TOO much for $49. > > Er... ... but aren't you the one who's always extolling the > virtues of *free* software? > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwie...@ahsoftware.net > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!
Richmond- Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 9:12:50 AM, you wrote: > I don't suppose one should expect TOO much for $49. Er... ... but aren't you the one who's always extolling the virtues of *free* software? -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 07/07/2010 07:08 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: You program in C/C++ and it converts it to Objective-C and uploads it to the app store under the companies iphone dev license. From what I have read, the code it generates is very very sloppy and slow. I don't suppose one should expect TOO much for $49. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!
You program in C/C++ and it converts it to Objective-C and uploads it to the app store under the companies iphone dev license. From what I have read, the code it generates is very very sloppy and slow. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/New-Window-App-allows-programming-for-iPhone-tp2280996p2281129.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!
Hi, Clearly, DragonFireSDK didn't get approval from Apple. If you want to use your app on your iPhone, you have to upload it to a server, where it will be compiled with XCode. The website says you can distribute your app as if it were created on a Mac, but it isn't clear to me whether you can actually sell your app in the iTunes store (an "App Store" is mentioned). If DragonFireSDK had received approval, then the workaround and vague statements on the website wouldn't be necessary. I admire their courage :-) -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce On 7 Jul 2010, at 15:38, charles61 wrote: I just came across a link to a new Windows program, DragonFireSDK, that allows Windows users to program for the iPhone without using Apple's SDK. I believe the program sells for $49. I went to the site last night but did not write down the details. I tried to go to the site a moment ago to confirm the price but I could not access it. I guess the site may be getting a lot of hits today! DragonFireSDK includes a cross-platform library and an iPhone simulator. The program uses C/C++ language. Here is the link: http://www.dragonfiresdk.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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It's been around since November at least, but information about it is *very* sparse. I'd be wary, myself. Ian On 7 Jul 2010, at 15:38, charles61 wrote: > > I just came across a link to a new Windows program, DragonFireSDK, that > allows Windows users to program for the iPhone without using Apple's SDK. I > believe the program sells for $49. I went to the site last night but did not > write down the details. I tried to go to the site a moment ago to confirm > the price but I could not access it. I guess the site may be getting a lot > of hits today! > DragonFireSDK includes a cross-platform library and an iPhone simulator. The > program uses C/C++ language. Here is the link: http://www.dragonfiresdk.com/ > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/New-Window-App-allows-programming-for-iPhone-tp2280996p2280996.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
