Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

2006-02-25 Thread Pierre Sahores
As a first-class creative XTalk's geek and a real smart people,  
Xavier has always been from the ones whose did our rev-list  
community more interssant, friendly and helpfull. To read Xavier's  
mails and to exchange design skills with him was always funny and  
helpfull. It's a sad news to have to understand that this will yet be  
over, in the past.


On the other hand, alike any real creative people, Xavier will just  
be an happy and lucky guy to focus its energy on new and jungest  
projects (programming, music, cars,...) and i'm sure that the lost is  
for our rev community while the open door to new worlds is for you  
Xav ;-)


Good luck, Friend and tell us about your projects private. About the  
beer, do you travel to Paris in the near, the froggie's small little  
town ?


Kindly yours,
--
Pierre Sahores
www.sahores-conseil.com


Le 24 févr. 06 à 18:01, MisterX a écrit :


That part of it was a quiproquo and I dont blame rev for it.
At least once they did read what I said and acted on it!

Like I said, no hard feelings, I look forward to other
creative activities beyond programming! It's sad to throw away such
a long enterprise as was TAOO and the long hours chatting in
the list. HAD I known! Famous last words ;)

Believe me the bigger loss is not mine...

The decision was fostered by rev's reactions - true but the decision
came to me in light of exploiting other fun stuff like music  
composition,

racing engineering and skills, sci fi writing which were all in the
backburner due to the time I spent before during and after work
in Rev, and usually also for rev at my own cost.

Please be cool with rev, help them make their tools better for you.

Cheers
Xavier



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I don't understand... Why is Xavier giving up on Rev?


It seems that you're not signed up on the MetaCard list, but
there was some accusations from RR in regards to Xavier's license..

http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009018.html
http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009033.html
http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009034.html

We'll miss you X,

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RE: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

2006-02-25 Thread MisterX
wow Dan

im moved by those words in a serious way! I reassure you nothing is lost,
it's only transformed... Opportunity cost and an open mind for alternatives
and opportunities is what I like in this new life away from the computer... 

Dan, You're one of the best and really wished I could write like you! I'll
do you proud hopefully with a book on TAOO - and let the reader imagine! I
think the idea is still ahead of its time though some might say it's been
there since the beginning of computing! But I have a science fiction book I
started writing and left unatended too long... 

I'll surely miss revland! But it's not the only way to serenity! It sure was
a great way. I just realized I had other revolutions I wasn't tending to ;)

Cheers
Xavier
http://monsieurx.com



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 Dan Shafer
 Sent: Friday, 24 February, 2006 21:21
 To: How to use Revolution
 Subject: Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...
 
 I have long been a supporter and fan of Xavier's. He 
 attempted to create a massive infrastructure in HyperCard and 
 later began moving it to Rev. He and I have had many very 
 long exchanges about the object orientation of what he was 
 trying to build. I think he learned a lot about how hard it 
 is to create an OO world in a language that doesn't think in 
 objects. He sure taught me a few things in the process.
 
 We'll miss you in Revland, Xavier, but you are following in 
 time-honored steps. When Bill Atkinson, the Father of 
 HyperCard, moved on, he moved all the way on, shifting his 
 life focus away from technology and into photography. 
 Watershed moments come in the oddest ways sometimes. Perhaps 
 the push over the edge that Xavier felt at the way he 
 perceived being treated by RunRev will turn out to be in the 
 long run the best thing that could have happened for him.
 
 I sincerely hope so.
 
 On 2/24/06, Jonathan Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Anyone can mail me before they come to luxembourg for a 
 beer, good 
  food and loads of laughs! ;)
 
  cheers
  Xavier
 
  I, for one, shall have wine tonight, and shall toast Xavier 
 to my wife.
  (Who will probably look at me funny and ask who the heck that is.)
 
  J
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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

2006-02-25 Thread David Burgun
Nice sentiment, but it's hard to be cool with people that are so  
short sighted, so inflexible and seem hell bent on ruining their own  
business.


Anyway. Enough of that! Thanks for all the help Xavier you will be  
missed greatly.


All the VERY Best
Dave

On 24 Feb 2006, at 17:01, MisterX wrote:


That part of it was a quiproquo and I dont blame rev for it.
At least once they did read what I said and acted on it!

Like I said, no hard feelings, I look forward to other
creative activities beyond programming! It's sad to throw away such
a long enterprise as was TAOO and the long hours chatting in
the list. HAD I known! Famous last words ;)

Believe me the bigger loss is not mine...

The decision was fostered by rev's reactions - true but the decision
came to me in light of exploiting other fun stuff like music  
composition,

racing engineering and skills, sci fi writing which were all in the
backburner due to the time I spent before during and after work
in Rev, and usually also for rev at my own cost.

Please be cool with rev, help them make their tools better for you.



Cheers
Xavier



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Sent: Friday, 24 February, 2006 17:27
To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...


I don't understand... Why is Xavier giving up on Rev?


It seems that you're not signed up on the MetaCard list, but
there was some accusations from RR in regards to Xavier's license..

http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009018.html
http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009033.html
http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009034.html

We'll miss you X,

-Sean

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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

2006-02-25 Thread Eric Chatonet

Hi everyone,

I think that the things must be clear in these stormy days: everyone  
may give his opinion in democracy :-)

So, I forward to the list a private email I sent to Xavier yesterday.

Yes, Xavier, Rev looses much more than you.
They loose a passionate evangelist with a new idea each minute, who  
helped the community at the speed of his Z3 and always brought clean  
air in single thinking processes.
A for me, I  shall no longer participate to the list until Rev  
announces significant changes in their way of treating their  
customers and clear up the 2.7 mess.
I really hope they will have understood yet the warning shot coming  
from so many passionate users.


Forwarded message :


De : Eric Chatonet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date : 24 février 2006 09:22:31 HNEC
À : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Objet : So sorry :-(

Hi Xavier,

I understand your concern but I'll miss you.
As for me, I warn Mark and Kevin (off-list)  for weeks against a  
lack of exigence and the wrong way they are taking.

I don't mince my words but obviously, they don't want to understand...

Nice life and, sure, some private emails going on :-)


Best Regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet
 
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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

2006-02-25 Thread Marielle Lange

Hi Everyone,

Unfortunately, I am in the same position as Xavier and Eric.

I am not reading any of the rev lists anymore, so please contact me  
privately or copy my email on things you would like me to read.


My support to the fantastic xTalk language continues, as does my  
support to this brilliant community. The codes website and  
revolution.widged.com/wiki will continue to run. I won't even even  
remove the testimonials page. xTalk is a great product and will  
remain so and nobody can change that.


Similarly , I acknowledge the professionalism of many members of the  
team and I acknowledge all the very many efforts that have been put  
by the technical team in 2.7. I always have been served above my  
expectations by Heather, their secretary.


My problems are primarily, if not exclusively, with their manager's  
way of treating customers. As I want to give them every chance to  
resolve these problems, I won't write more here.


Marielle

 


Marielle Lange (PhD),  Psycholinguist

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Homepage
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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

2006-02-24 Thread Jonathan Lynch
I don't understand...

Why is Xavier giving up on Rev?


On 2/24/06, Scott Kane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Xavier,

 I really think you're overacting just a tiddly
 bit...


 Scott


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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

2006-02-24 Thread Jim Ault
On 2/24/06 7:00 AM, Jonathan Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't understand...
 
 Why is Xavier giving up on Rev?

Probably reached a point where the hours he spends trying to get tools
working don't get him where he needs/wants to go.  Sounds like he has built
a very extensive environment that has been a serious challenge to integrate
and the Rev upgrade path added too much difficulty.

Not sure, but he may have turned to something that is not as quick, but will
allow him to develop for his work flow without the stumbling blocks.

I know that had to shift away from Hypercard and if it was not for
Revolution, I would be mired in learning yet another difficult language to
build software for my two businesses.  Fortunately for me, Rev 2.6.1 on Mac
and Win32 will do all that I need for the next several years.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

2006-02-24 Thread Sean Shao

I don't understand... Why is Xavier giving up on Rev?


It seems that you're not signed up on the MetaCard list, but there was some 
accusations from RR in regards to Xavier's license..


http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009018.html
http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009033.html
http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009034.html

We'll miss you X,

-Sean

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RE: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

2006-02-24 Thread Lynn Fredricks
 I don't understand... Why is Xavier giving up on Rev?
 
 It seems that you're not signed up on the MetaCard list, but 
 there was some accusations from RR in regards to Xavier's license.

There are some issues solely between Xavier and RR which were on the list
but had no business being on the list. Some information was wrong.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Proactive International, LLC

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RE: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

2006-02-24 Thread MisterX
That part of it was a quiproquo and I dont blame rev for it. 
At least once they did read what I said and acted on it!

Like I said, no hard feelings, I look forward to other 
creative activities beyond programming! It's sad to throw away such
a long enterprise as was TAOO and the long hours chatting in 
the list. HAD I known! Famous last words ;)

Believe me the bigger loss is not mine...

The decision was fostered by rev's reactions - true but the decision
came to me in light of exploiting other fun stuff like music composition,
racing engineering and skills, sci fi writing which were all in the
backburner due to the time I spent before during and after work
in Rev, and usually also for rev at my own cost.

Please be cool with rev, help them make their tools better for you.

Cheers
Xavier


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 Sean Shao
 Sent: Friday, 24 February, 2006 17:27
 To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
 Subject: Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...
 
 I don't understand... Why is Xavier giving up on Rev?
 
 It seems that you're not signed up on the MetaCard list, but 
 there was some accusations from RR in regards to Xavier's license..
 
 http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009018.html
 http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009033.html
 http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-February/009034.html
 
 We'll miss you X,
 
 -Sean
 
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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

2006-02-24 Thread Jonathan Lynch
My goodness...

I read those links. That was painful to read. All of that over a single
license!
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RE: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

2006-02-24 Thread MisterX
 Not sure, but he may have turned to something that is not as 
 quick, but will allow him to develop for his work flow 
 without the stumbling blocks.

Actually im turning to stuff that is light-years ahead of rev...

These include:
http://flstudio.com - the easiest music production studio out there
http://gtlegends.com (see also the reviews on http://bhmotorsports.com)

And tuning my car for the Ring... Eventually building or restoring a real GT
race car...

--

For work, where I used MC for storage management (large scale), the new 2003
server release from MS will surely do the job since I comes with those
features I made in MC. Since we have an full enterprise license for that, we
can have direct engineering support from MS. 

Less work... believe me is better!

cheers
Xavier

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Ault
 Sent: Friday, 24 February, 2006 16:59
 To: How to use Revolution
 Subject: Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...
 
 On 2/24/06 7:00 AM, Jonathan Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I don't understand...
  
  Why is Xavier giving up on Rev?
 
 Probably reached a point where the hours he spends trying to 
 get tools working don't get him where he needs/wants to go.  
 Sounds like he has built a very extensive environment that 
 has been a serious challenge to integrate and the Rev upgrade 
 path added too much difficulty.
 
 Not sure, but he may have turned to something that is not as 
 quick, but will allow him to develop for his work flow 
 without the stumbling blocks.
 
 I know that had to shift away from Hypercard and if it was 
 not for Revolution, I would be mired in learning yet another 
 difficult language to build software for my two businesses.  
 Fortunately for me, Rev 2.6.1 on Mac and Win32 will do all 
 that I need for the next several years.
 
 
 Jim Ault
 Las Vegas
 
 
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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

2006-02-24 Thread Thomas McGrath III
I don't see how flstudio or gtlegends has anything to do with Rev,  
but Hey good luck to you.


Maybe we'll see you around, dude.

Tom

On Feb 24, 2006, at 12:15 PM, MisterX wrote:


Actually im turning to stuff that is light-years ahead of rev...

These include:
http://flstudio.com - the easiest music production studio out there
http://gtlegends.com (see also the reviews on http:// 
bhmotorsports.com)


And tuning my car for the Ring... Eventually building or restoring  
a real GT

race car...


Thomas J McGrath III
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Lazy River Software™ - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com

Lazy River Metal Art™ - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html

Meeting Wear™ - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear

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RE: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

2006-02-24 Thread MisterX
 I don't see how flstudio or gtlegends has anything to do with 
 Rev, but Hey good luck to you.
 
 Maybe we'll see you around, dude.
 
 Tom

FLStudio you could compare to rev very easily.

Any audio sample, filter, channel, controller, keyboard, setting or
automation is an object you stack up in a song. The comparison stops there,
rev is xplatform, FLS is bug-free and updates are for life! 

GTLegends is a pure simulator... Like rev it allowed me to test the limits
of any object-model (like gambling games and cars + chassis settings +
physics of driving techniques under different conditions)... The visual and
aural results are as good (in 2.7 at least) as the skill and time you put
into it... Where rev is xplatform, GTLegends is threading like I wish rev
could! Both also share bugs agogo, expert user challenge I some cases and no
support.

Finally all three grant you a user experience reward which is as rich as you
want, unlimited in capacity and just pure bliss...

 Maybe we'll see you around, dude.

Anyone can mail me before they come to luxembourg for a beer, good food and
loads of laughs! ;)

cheers
Xavier



 -Original Message-
 From: Thomas McGrath III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, 24 February, 2006 18:27
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; How to use Revolution
 Subject: Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...
 
 I don't see how flstudio or gtlegends has anything to do with 
 Rev, but Hey good luck to you.
 
 Maybe we'll see you around, dude.
 
 Tom
 
 On Feb 24, 2006, at 12:15 PM, MisterX wrote:
 
  Actually im turning to stuff that is light-years ahead of rev...
 
  These include:
  http://flstudio.com - the easiest music production studio out there 
  http://gtlegends.com (see also the reviews on http://
  bhmotorsports.com)
 
  And tuning my car for the Ring... Eventually building or 
 restoring a 
  real GT race car...
 
 Thomas J McGrath III
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Lazy River SoftwareT - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com
 
 Lazy River Metal ArtT - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html
 
 Meeting WearT - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear
 
 Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com
 
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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

2006-02-24 Thread Charles Hartman

FLStudio sounds cool, I thought . . .
Eww, but it runs on Windows!

Charles (dodging)


On Feb 24, 2006, at 12:15 PM, MisterX wrote:


Not sure, but he may have turned to something that is not as
quick, but will allow him to develop for his work flow
without the stumbling blocks.


Actually im turning to stuff that is light-years ahead of rev...

These include:
http://flstudio.com - the easiest music production studio out there
http://gtlegends.com (see also the reviews on http:// 
bhmotorsports.com)


And tuning my car for the Ring... Eventually building or restoring  
a real GT

race car...

--

For work, where I used MC for storage management (large scale), the  
new 2003

server release from MS will surely do the job since I comes with those
features I made in MC. Since we have an full enterprise license for  
that, we

can have direct engineering support from MS.

Less work... believe me is better!

cheers
Xavier


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim  
Ault

Sent: Friday, 24 February, 2006 16:59
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

On 2/24/06 7:00 AM, Jonathan Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



I don't understand...

Why is Xavier giving up on Rev?


Probably reached a point where the hours he spends trying to
get tools working don't get him where he needs/wants to go.
Sounds like he has built a very extensive environment that
has been a serious challenge to integrate and the Rev upgrade
path added too much difficulty.

Not sure, but he may have turned to something that is not as
quick, but will allow him to develop for his work flow
without the stumbling blocks.

I know that had to shift away from Hypercard and if it was
not for Revolution, I would be mired in learning yet another
difficult language to build software for my two businesses.
Fortunately for me, Rev 2.6.1 on Mac and Win32 will do all
that I need for the next several years.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

2006-02-24 Thread Jonathan Lynch
 Anyone can mail me before they come to luxembourg for a beer, good food
and
loads of laughs! ;)

cheers
Xavier

I, for one, shall have wine tonight, and shall toast Xavier to my wife.
(Who will probably look at me funny and ask who the heck that is.)

J
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Re: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

2006-02-24 Thread Dan Shafer
I have long been a supporter and fan of Xavier's. He attempted to
create a massive infrastructure in HyperCard and later began moving it
to Rev. He and I have had many very long exchanges about the object
orientation of what he was trying to build. I think he learned a lot
about how hard it is to create an OO world in a language that doesn't
think in objects. He sure taught me a few things in the process.

We'll miss you in Revland, Xavier, but you are following in
time-honored steps. When Bill Atkinson, the Father of HyperCard, moved
on, he moved all the way on, shifting his life focus away from
technology and into photography. Watershed moments come in the oddest
ways sometimes. Perhaps the push over the edge that Xavier felt at the
way he perceived being treated by RunRev will turn out to be in the
long run the best thing that could have happened for him.

I sincerely hope so.

On 2/24/06, Jonathan Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Anyone can mail me before they come to luxembourg for a beer, good food
 and
 loads of laughs! ;)

 cheers
 Xavier

 I, for one, shall have wine tonight, and shall toast Xavier to my wife.
 (Who will probably look at me funny and ask who the heck that is.)

 J
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RE: So long and thanks for all the stacks...

2006-02-23 Thread Scott Kane
Xavier,

I really think you're overacting just a tiddly
bit...


Scott


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