Re: shell command to identify wireless printer
I can probably get this to work, since my handler already relies on asking the user once for the USB printer identification then storing it so the user never has to be asked again. If I can identify the wireless network I can associate a printer with it, store that printername, and then proceed. However, I don't understand much at all about command-line stuff. I ran put shell(/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Apple80211.framework/ Versions/Current/Resources/airport-I) and I get an error. What command should I use to operate on this filepath? And what's the -I at the end? It's not part of the filename. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Oct 9, 2010, at 12:24 AM, Mike Bonner wrote: Can you come at it from a different direction? Can you check current SSID against a printer list to select which printer you want? Assuming you always go to the same set of networks, this should have a similar affect yes? Set it up once, save the printer name, next time you need to print check the current ssid and select the appropriate printer name. YOu can get the current ssid with the following command line. /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Apple80211.framework/Versions/ Current/Resources/airport -I MOre info than you need, but easy to parse. On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Peter Brigham MD pmb...@gmail.com wrote: The printername gives the name of the printer currently selected in the print dialog, ie, the default printer. On my MacBook, this will be the last printer used. But that will not necessarily be the name of the currently connected printer, if I have changed venues. I'm trying to find a way to discover the name of the printer that is currently connected to the Mac. I can do this with a rather complex handler I cobbled together if the the printer is plugged in via USB, but I'm struggling to find a way of getting the name of a printer that is currently connected wirelessly over an Airport router. It turns out that neither lpstat nor lpq seem to do this. Any further ideas? Anyone? -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig http://home.comcast.net/%7Epmbrig On Oct 8, 2010, at 5:00 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 10/8/10 12:30 PM, Peter Brigham MD wrote: The availablePrinters shows the list of printers you have named and have drivers for -- it's what appears in the print dialog list, from which you choose the printer you want to use. I want to know automatically which printer my laptop is connected to at the moment so I can bypass the print dialog entirely and send all printing to that printer. Isn't that the printername? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell command to identify wireless printer
-I is for information, just a command line switch, as you say, no part of the filename. airport -I (cap I) make sure the space is there. If you want to see the other switches, switch to that directory in terminal manually run the command with the -h switch. ./airport -h and it will show a short help listing. (can also do ./airport --help with the double dash before help) What error are you getting, and can you make it work from terminal? Hmm, interesting. On my macbook it works great, fine, wonderful (snow leopard). On my mac pro (leopard) I get an error when trying to use the -I switch. airport(7424) malloc: *** error for object 0x1053a0: double free *** set a breakpoint in malloc_error_break to debug Is that the error you get? The main differences in my 2 machines is the OS, leopard versus snow, and my mac pro is a wired connect no wireless hooked up at all at the moment. I'll see if I can find an alternate (reliable) way to get the current SSID. On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Peter Brigham MD pmb...@gmail.com wrote: I can probably get this to work, since my handler already relies on asking the user once for the USB printer identification then storing it so the user never has to be asked again. If I can identify the wireless network I can associate a printer with it, store that printername, and then proceed. However, I don't understand much at all about command-line stuff. I ran put shell(/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Apple80211.framework/Versions/Current/Resources/airport-I) and I get an error. What command should I use to operate on this filepath? And what's the -I at the end? It's not part of the filename. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig http://home.comcast.net/%7Epmbrig On Oct 9, 2010, at 12:24 AM, Mike Bonner wrote: Can you come at it from a different direction? Can you check current SSID against a printer list to select which printer you want? Assuming you always go to the same set of networks, this should have a similar affect yes? Set it up once, save the printer name, next time you need to print check the current ssid and select the appropriate printer name. YOu can get the current ssid with the following command line. /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Apple80211.framework/Versions/Current/Resources/airport -I MOre info than you need, but easy to parse. On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Peter Brigham MD pmb...@gmail.com wrote: The printername gives the name of the printer currently selected in the print dialog, ie, the default printer. On my MacBook, this will be the last printer used. But that will not necessarily be the name of the currently connected printer, if I have changed venues. I'm trying to find a way to discover the name of the printer that is currently connected to the Mac. I can do this with a rather complex handler I cobbled together if the the printer is plugged in via USB, but I'm struggling to find a way of getting the name of a printer that is currently connected wirelessly over an Airport router. It turns out that neither lpstat nor lpq seem to do this. Any further ideas? Anyone? -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig http://home.comcast.net/%7Epmbrig http://home.comcast.net/%7Epmbrig On Oct 8, 2010, at 5:00 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 10/8/10 12:30 PM, Peter Brigham MD wrote: The availablePrinters shows the list of printers you have named and have drivers for -- it's what appears in the print dialog list, from which you choose the printer you want to use. I want to know automatically which printer my laptop is connected to at the moment so I can bypass the print dialog entirely and send all printing to that printer. Isn't that the printername? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
Re: shell command to identify wireless printer
Ignore any duplicates that show up, forgot to clean up last message and its being held for moderator approval, so don't know if they'll magically appear or not. This email is easier to read anyway. I'm actually awake now! Try this: get shell(cd /usr/sbin;system_profiler SPNetworkDataType |grep -i signature) set the itemdel to = put the last item of it into yourplacetostoreit It grabs the hardware signature of the router and splits out the last item which is the routers mac address. Should be a more reliable method of tagging what network you're on. SSID may not be unique since so many people never change the default. This should work for wired or wireless. I don't know how likely it is you'll have more than one valid connection at a time, if its a possibility for you, might consider testing it to see if it contains more than one line. Also running virtual machines could throw this off I guess, but it shouldn't be too bad to get a handle on things. If nothing else, don't split off the mac address and use the entire result as your matching text. If there IS more than 1 valid result, and you do use the entire thing as your match text, also might consider a sort since I can't test if system_profiler always lists in the exact same order. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell command to identify wireless printer
On Oct 12, 2010, at 10:17 AM, Mike Bonner wrote: Ignore any duplicates that show up, forgot to clean up last message and its being held for moderator approval, so don't know if they'll magically appear or not. This email is easier to read anyway. I'm actually awake now! Try this: get shell(cd /usr/sbin;system_profiler SPNetworkDataType |grep -i signature) set the itemdel to = put the last item of it into yourplacetostoreit It grabs the hardware signature of the router and splits out the last item which is the routers mac address. Should be a more reliable method of tagging what network you're on. SSID may not be unique since so many people never change the default. This should work for wired or wireless. Thanks, I'll experiment with that. I don't know how likely it is you'll have more than one valid connection at a time, if its a possibility for you, might consider testing it to see if it contains more than one line. Also running virtual machines could throw this off I guess, but it shouldn't be too bad to get a handle on things. If nothing else, don't split off the mac address and use the entire result as your matching text. If there IS more than 1 valid result, and you do use the entire thing as your match text, also might consider a sort since I can't test if system_profiler always lists in the exact same order. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell command to identify wireless printer
The availablePrinters shows the list of printers you have named and have drivers for -- it's what appears in the print dialog list, from which you choose the printer you want to use. I want to know automatically which printer my laptop is connected to at the moment so I can bypass the print dialog entirely and send all printing to that printer. I have a handler that detects which printer I'm plugged into using USB and sets the printer to that automatically, but I'm trying to expand it to include connected wireless printers on the network. I think this capability should ideally be built into the OS for all laptops -- I can't be the only one who uses my laptop with different printers in different locations. Having to choose the proper printer every time I change venues should be unnecessary, it should be pretty easy for the system to do it for me, at least as an option in the printing preferences. In the absence of a system fix, I can at least build it into my Rev (er, LiveCode) projects. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Oct 8, 2010, at 1:58 AM, Dar Scott wrote: Does 'the availablePrinters' in LiveCode provide anything useful? Maybe its name give some indication that it is connected wirelessly. Dar Scott On Oct 7, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Peter Brigham MD wrote: I'm looking for the shell command that would include in its output something that would identify a printer that is currently wirelessly connected to my MacBook. I can use shell(ioreg) to get info on a printer connected via USB (after some parsing), but my wireless printer connection doesn't show up in the ioreg listing. What command can I use to see how the system identifies a wireless printer? I need to be able to confirm before printing from a stack that the wireless connection to the printer is up and running. If it matters, the wireless connection is not a Bonjour connection -- it's a PC wireless network. I can print fine using the printer, so the connection is good, and functional. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell command to identify wireless printer
On 10/8/10 12:30 PM, Peter Brigham MD wrote: The availablePrinters shows the list of printers you have named and have drivers for -- it's what appears in the print dialog list, from which you choose the printer you want to use. I want to know automatically which printer my laptop is connected to at the moment so I can bypass the print dialog entirely and send all printing to that printer. Isn't that the printername? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell command to identify wireless printer
The printername gives the name of the printer currently selected in the print dialog, ie, the default printer. On my MacBook, this will be the last printer used. But that will not necessarily be the name of the currently connected printer, if I have changed venues. I'm trying to find a way to discover the name of the printer that is currently connected to the Mac. I can do this with a rather complex handler I cobbled together if the the printer is plugged in via USB, but I'm struggling to find a way of getting the name of a printer that is currently connected wirelessly over an Airport router. It turns out that neither lpstat nor lpq seem to do this. Any further ideas? Anyone? -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Oct 8, 2010, at 5:00 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 10/8/10 12:30 PM, Peter Brigham MD wrote: The availablePrinters shows the list of printers you have named and have drivers for -- it's what appears in the print dialog list, from which you choose the printer you want to use. I want to know automatically which printer my laptop is connected to at the moment so I can bypass the print dialog entirely and send all printing to that printer. Isn't that the printername? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell command to identify wireless printer
Can you come at it from a different direction? Can you check current SSID against a printer list to select which printer you want? Assuming you always go to the same set of networks, this should have a similar affect yes? Set it up once, save the printer name, next time you need to print check the current ssid and select the appropriate printer name. YOu can get the current ssid with the following command line. /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Apple80211.framework/Versions/Current/Resources/airport -I MOre info than you need, but easy to parse. On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Peter Brigham MD pmb...@gmail.com wrote: The printername gives the name of the printer currently selected in the print dialog, ie, the default printer. On my MacBook, this will be the last printer used. But that will not necessarily be the name of the currently connected printer, if I have changed venues. I'm trying to find a way to discover the name of the printer that is currently connected to the Mac. I can do this with a rather complex handler I cobbled together if the the printer is plugged in via USB, but I'm struggling to find a way of getting the name of a printer that is currently connected wirelessly over an Airport router. It turns out that neither lpstat nor lpq seem to do this. Any further ideas? Anyone? -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig http://home.comcast.net/%7Epmbrig On Oct 8, 2010, at 5:00 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 10/8/10 12:30 PM, Peter Brigham MD wrote: The availablePrinters shows the list of printers you have named and have drivers for -- it's what appears in the print dialog list, from which you choose the printer you want to use. I want to know automatically which printer my laptop is connected to at the moment so I can bypass the print dialog entirely and send all printing to that printer. Isn't that the printername? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell command to identify wireless printer
lpq should do what you want. Will show all print queues and their status for example, my wireless printer returns _3500_4500_Series_MAC:002000148b45 is ready no entries no entries of course meaning that there are no queued documents. I didn't try shutting my printer down to see if the status would change though, so your mileage may vary. On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Peter Brigham MD pmb...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking for the shell command that would include in its output something that would identify a printer that is currently wirelessly connected to my MacBook. I can use shell(ioreg) to get info on a printer connected via USB (after some parsing), but my wireless printer connection doesn't show up in the ioreg listing. What command can I use to see how the system identifies a wireless printer? I need to be able to confirm before printing from a stack that the wireless connection to the printer is up and running. If it matters, the wireless connection is not a Bonjour connection -- it's a PC wireless network. I can print fine using the printer, so the connection is good, and functional. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig http://home.comcast.net/%7Epmbrig ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell command to identify wireless printer
lpq I'm not sure of -- it gives some odd output here with my home wireless printer. But a search sent me in the direction of lpstat, which looks promising. I'll test it out in the next few days. Thanks -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Oct 7, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Mike Bonner wrote: lpq should do what you want. Will show all print queues and their status for example, my wireless printer returns _3500_4500_Series_MAC:002000148b45 is ready no entries no entries of course meaning that there are no queued documents. I didn't try shutting my printer down to see if the status would change though, so your mileage may vary. On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Peter Brigham MD pmb...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking for the shell command that would include in its output something that would identify a printer that is currently wirelessly connected to my MacBook. I can use shell(ioreg) to get info on a printer connected via USB (after some parsing), but my wireless printer connection doesn't show up in the ioreg listing. What command can I use to see how the system identifies a wireless printer? I need to be able to confirm before printing from a stack that the wireless connection to the printer is up and running. If it matters, the wireless connection is not a Bonjour connection -- it's a PC wireless network. I can print fine using the printer, so the connection is good, and functional. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig http://home.comcast.net/%7Epmbrig ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell command to identify wireless printer
Does 'the availablePrinters' in LiveCode provide anything useful? Maybe its name give some indication that it is connected wirelessly. Dar Scott On Oct 7, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Peter Brigham MD wrote: I'm looking for the shell command that would include in its output something that would identify a printer that is currently wirelessly connected to my MacBook. I can use shell(ioreg) to get info on a printer connected via USB (after some parsing), but my wireless printer connection doesn't show up in the ioreg listing. What command can I use to see how the system identifies a wireless printer? I need to be able to confirm before printing from a stack that the wireless connection to the printer is up and running. If it matters, the wireless connection is not a Bonjour connection -- it's a PC wireless network. I can print fine using the printer, so the connection is good, and functional. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Shell command return 255
How to know from where the command is executed. In terminal put which command, and we get the entire path to the command. To test from the shell /bin/sh into the Terminal. Put /bin/sh and press enter. Now we are in the same shell that is called from shell and from Rev. Test your command here, if here is ok, copy the commandline and exec from Rev. Put exit to return to your normal shell into the Terminal. That's great to know, Josep... thanks! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Shell command return 255
Hi, Reply myself... and explain a little so I think can be usefully for others... The solution is that we must specify from where we want exec the command. MacOSX Shell execute by default from the shell /bin/sh, that isn't the shell from the Terminal, so testing commandlines from the terminal that produces correct results, from the shell can produce error. How to know from where the command is executed. In terminal put which command, and we get the entire path to the command. To test from the shell /bin/sh into the Terminal. Put /bin/sh and press enter. Now we are in the same shell that is called from shell and from Rev. Test your command here, if here is ok, copy the commandline and exec from Rev. Put exit to return to your normal shell into the Terminal. In my case the correct commandline for exec from /bin/sh. put (/usr/local/bin/dot -Tjpg -o /users/jos/desktop/graph.jpg /users/jos/desktop/test01.dot) into tCommand Shell in Rev return the exit code into the Result and the error message into the it. Checking both you can view the error code and error message. But if you specify a incorrect path the shell, then return empty and no action success, while testing the same commandline into the Terminal shell, can produce a correct result, confusing yourself. :) Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Shell-command-return-255-tp2262032p2262051.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Shell Command with Sudo
Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote: This is all very charming, but I wonder how one would effect this from a standalone on an end-user's machine . . . :) You'd have to write an install or first use shell script. Get the user, then the root password, then write an extra line to /etc/sudoers. The advantage, though it will not matter to many, is that you don't store the password in the app and don't have to supply it at each use of the commands, and that you have restricted your privileges to one named user and one variant of one command. Justin's solution is very nice, agreed. Probably more practical and certainly easier to do. But, you do end up storing the password, and what commands can be executed is not limited, nor is which user limited. Or maybe this is wrong? That is what the effect, I think, would be on Debian, which ships without sudo built in. Maybe these distros that ship with sudo are preconfigured to allow any user to sudo with their own login password? In which case they can do sudo su -? I don't much like that idea either, that cannot be surely? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Shell-Command-with-Sudo-tp2251593p2253279.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Shell Command with Sudo
Thanks to all who replied. With you help and some additional research I came up with a solution. Mac OS X bash shell only allows results from commands to be piped in to another command, including sudo, not plain text. The solution is to set a bash variable (pw=password) and echo the variable to pipe it into sudo (echo $pw | sudo -S command). In Rev you must set the variable and pipe it in on the same shell() call. Like this: shell(pw= tPassword ; echo $pw | sudo -S command) Works like a charm, and it's an elegant solution without a lot of hashed code. I have not tested this on other Unix based systems but the command should work on any system with bash as the default shell. Happy coding! - Justin On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 6:51 PM, David Bovill da...@vaudevillecourt.tv wrote: Don't think expect is the right way to do this - best would be to use an ssh key (seem to remember that is how I used to do this back when i was on Linux with Metacard), or else to write a bash script as a text file and then get rev to execute that. On 11 June 2010 16:33, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.com wrote: Justin, I always though you could not pipe passwords into sudo. One way to do this kind of stuff is to use the expect tool. http://expect.sourceforge.net/ With expect you can automate many command line things. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Shell Command with Sudo
Is there a reason you cannot use the NOPASSWD option in sudo? Maybe this is not how it works in OSX, but what you'd normally do is to edit /etc/sudoers to allow this particular user to perform this particular command with the no password option, and its done. If you do this, the command can be limited to one with specific options. For instance, you can allow shutdown with the -h option, but not the -r option. No-one has to know the root password then and it is not written anyplace. Yes, you do have to know it to edit /etc/sudoers. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Shell-Command-with-Sudo-tp2251593p2252593.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Shell Command with Sudo
On 06/12/2010 12:08 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: Is there a reason you cannot use the NOPASSWD option in sudo? Maybe this is not how it works in OSX, but what you'd normally do is to edit /etc/sudoers to allow this particular user to perform this particular command with the no password option, and its done. If you do this, the command can be limited to one with specific options. For instance, you can allow shutdown with the -h option, but not the -r option. No-one has to know the root password then and it is not written anyplace. Yes, you do have to know it to edit /etc/sudoers. This is all very charming, but I wonder how one would effect this from a standalone on an end-user's machine . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Shell Command with Sudo
Peter, That is a good suggestion if the application was not meant for mass deployment. Otherwise each machine's sudoers file would have to be edited accordingly, which would be a bummer for users that do not know how to do so. And that is likely the majority of Mac users. I would venture to say that the majority of Mac users never even opened the Terminal. The solution is elegant, I believe, in that it will work on any Mac OS X machine and takes advantage of Bash' s flexibility with Rev's shell structure. Happy coding! - Justin On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/12/2010 12:08 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: Is there a reason you cannot use the NOPASSWD option in sudo? Maybe this is not how it works in OSX, but what you'd normally do is to edit /etc/sudoers to allow this particular user to perform this particular command with the no password option, and its done. If you do this, the command can be limited to one with specific options. For instance, you can allow shutdown with the -h option, but not the -r option. No-one has to know the root password then and it is not written anyplace. Yes, you do have to know it to edit /etc/sudoers. This is all very charming, but I wonder how one would effect this from a standalone on an end-user's machine . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Shell Command with Sudo
On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Justin Sloan wrote: Hello All, I am trying to run a shell() command in revStudio in order to execute some terminal commands as the superuser on a Mac. An Ubuntu terminal will accept the superuser password using a pipe, such as pass | sudo -S command, but Mac's terminal will not accept the password on the same line. Is there a way to run multiple commands from a single rev shell() call? Or, can I somehow followup a shell() call with the password? I went to http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution@lists.runrev.com/info.html In the search field I put:multiple shell commands os x It returned a few items that might be of help for you, at least worth a try: --- As an alternative solution, one could use multiple shell commands separated by a semi-colon: get shell(cd /etc/ ; ls) --- atb, sims ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Shell Command with Sudo
Justin, I always though you could not pipe passwords into sudo. One way to do this kind of stuff is to use the expect tool. http://expect.sourceforge.net/ With expect you can automate many command line things. HTH Andre On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Justin Sloan sloan.jus...@gmail.comwrote: Hello All, I am trying to run a shell() command in revStudio in order to execute some terminal commands as the superuser on a Mac. An Ubuntu terminal will accept the superuser password using a pipe, such as pass | sudo -S command, but Mac's terminal will not accept the password on the same line. Is there a way to run multiple commands from a single rev shell() call? Or, can I somehow followup a shell() call with the password? Thanks, Justin___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Shell Command with Sudo
Don't think expect is the right way to do this - best would be to use an ssh key (seem to remember that is how I used to do this back when i was on Linux with Metacard), or else to write a bash script as a text file and then get rev to execute that. On 11 June 2010 16:33, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.com wrote: Justin, I always though you could not pipe passwords into sudo. One way to do this kind of stuff is to use the expect tool. http://expect.sourceforge.net/ With expect you can automate many command line things. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell in RevMedia
It works fine in Linux. I tried put shell(ls) and it supplied a file listing of the directory. Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/shell-in-RevMedia-tp1678302p1678621.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell
Thanks, but the link is dead. Hershel On 1/18/10 6:36 PM, Alex Tweedly a...@tweedly.net wrote: stephen barncard wrote: My info was taken from an old Nabble forum were Alex offered his stack. It doesn't seem to be on his site or Rev Online anymore - perhaps you could write him. They were on the old RevOnline (pre Rev 3.0). I had some problems getting stacks on the new RevOnline, but will try again soon. In the meantime, you can find them at http://www.tweedly.org/UDP echo server - released.rev http://www.tweedly.org/UDP echo client - released.rev (please do not look at anything else on that web site. under construction wouldn't even begin to describe it ...). -- Alex. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell
Hershel Fisch wrote: Thanks, but the link is dead. Hershel Most likely it is (as Stephen warned) a problem due to my poor choice of file name - the spaces confuse automatic link-clicking. Copy/paste the whole URL (from http: ... all the way to ... .rev) and see if that fixes it (it does for me). Sorry for the inconvenience, I'll pick better names next time. -- Alex. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell
I got it to work by pasting the whole thing into the adr line of a browser and it filled in the appropriate URLEncoding (as browsers for some time have done) - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2010/1/20 Alex Tweedly a...@tweedly.net Hershel Fisch wrote: Thanks, but the link is dead. Hershel Most likely it is (as Stephen warned) a problem due to my poor choice of file name - the spaces confuse automatic link-clicking. Copy/paste the whole URL (from http: ... all the way to ... .rev) and see if that fixes it (it does for me). Sorry for the inconvenience, I'll pick better names next time. -- Alex. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell
He he.. U is for User... The protocol is is 'Unreliable' in the sense that there is very little in the way of guaranteeing data integrity, more like a shotgun approach to data transmission. It relieves some of the TCP overhead which is why some online games use UDP instead of TCP to reduce latency. Any occasional hiccup is tolerated by the User. Cheers, Luis. On 18 Jan 2010, at 20:18, Andre Garzia wrote: be aware of the U in UDP... it means unreliable. Is there any reason for UDP and not TCP? (PS: haven't read the previous thread, I am just saying that because last time I coded with UDP I ended up having some very interesting experience with duplicated datagrams and dropped datagrams) On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:13 PM, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote: Alex Tweedly has a sample UDP (datagram) stack at Rev Online - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2010/1/18 Hershel Fisch hersh...@syp2u4c.com Hi, after knocking my head against the wall I decided to try to go via sockets, but I have some misunderstandings for unpredicted behavior, now my questions if somebody could give a full statement example? Thanks, Hershel On 1/7/10 5:12 AM, Bernard Devlin bdrun...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Herschel, I am unfamiliar with Hylafax. I don't think shell is going to cut it for your needs. What you may need is open process, write to process and read from process. Open process is kind of like opening a non-visible terminal, where the state of the program opened as a process persists throughout your read/write interactions with it. If you have a CLI client for hylafax for OS X Windows, then you can use that as the process to open. If the only CLI client you have for hylafax is on the server, then you will need to run remote sessions to the server. On OS X you could try 'talking' to the remote hylafax client via ssh opened via open process. If that works, you've got a start. On Windows you would then have to use something like plink (part of the Putty suite of ssh programs for windows). A final option might be to use the Expect program locally to talk to the remote hylafax client. I have never used Expect, but I imagine it would be more complex to use than open process + ssh. It's going to be convoluted, but it might work. Bernard On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Hershel Fisch hersh...@syp2u4c.com wrote: My server is FreeBSD or OSX, Client is OSX and Win. What is the problem with writing multiple arguments? Do you mean multiple successive shell commands, or multiple arguments to one program? I want to write a GUI to connect to the server. Now I see in Rev, when a shell command is issued its sent and returns the prompt, if I need to respond to that prompt then it issues a different shell session and not a continuation of the previous one, e.g. I want to connect to a server or change user, put shell(su - userABC) it returns password that means that it wants a password to continue now where and who can I provide a password it should continue the current session? In terminal I just type it in and its done. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell
OK, it has been said that I would chime in at some point, and so here it is. I use UDP for several networking configurations, now and in the past. The computers in one configuration were located in Las Vegas, New York, London, and Vancouver BC. Another configuration is mostly West Coast USA. I have seen virtually no packet loss or corruption using Rev stacks and apps that I have written over the last 4 years. The apps run cross platform, on the same and different networks. I am always sending data files that have to be accurate. The reason for this reliability... I crafted ACK loops, resend logic, socket management, plus multi-part data packet routines. This means that each packet is acknowledged and resent until success, then the next packet is sent. This way all packets arrive in the same sequence as the originating data source. Using UDP is so fast that I rarely detect transmission failures ( I write log files ) and that is usually do to ISP or internet down times. UDP is so fast that using the ACK loops is still many times faster than TCP. I also have designed code loops that recover from any socket errors that would stop operation, thus avoiding manually requesting that the operating system reset sockets. Another essential routine that is called at the end of all socket operations is killOpenSockets to reduce the number of open sockets to less than 20. The reason this is important is that sockets are controlled by the operating system, such as Win XP. There are lots of high-numbered sockets (eg. 34221, 56449) that are opened simply by using UDP or TCP. If more than 50 are left open the operating system does sockets more and more slowly, making it almost impossible to keep repeat loops from becoming infinite. One last bit of caution needs to be taken. You need to measure the limitations of the networking equipment and computers. Routing traffic means that you need to measure the maximum packet size that will flow through the network, then subtract about 20% for reliability insurance. Now you send packets at or below that maximum, using multi- part packet sizing if necessary. I have found that 8K-20% (yes, very small) works for me. Vonage and Skype don't need to resend packets except for the voice and audio, but do for the user data, etc. Hope this helps someone. Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell
Thanks, Jim. Very interesting reading. Bernard On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Jim Ault jimaultw...@yahoo.com wrote: OK, it has been said that I would chime in at some point, and so here it is. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell
Hi, after knocking my head against the wall I decided to try to go via sockets, but I have some misunderstandings for unpredicted behavior, now my questions if somebody could give a full statement example? Thanks, Hershel On 1/7/10 5:12 AM, Bernard Devlin bdrun...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Herschel, I am unfamiliar with Hylafax. I don't think shell is going to cut it for your needs. What you may need is open process, write to process and read from process. Open process is kind of like opening a non-visible terminal, where the state of the program opened as a process persists throughout your read/write interactions with it. If you have a CLI client for hylafax for OS X Windows, then you can use that as the process to open. If the only CLI client you have for hylafax is on the server, then you will need to run remote sessions to the server. On OS X you could try 'talking' to the remote hylafax client via ssh opened via open process. If that works, you've got a start. On Windows you would then have to use something like plink (part of the Putty suite of ssh programs for windows). A final option might be to use the Expect program locally to talk to the remote hylafax client. I have never used Expect, but I imagine it would be more complex to use than open process + ssh. It's going to be convoluted, but it might work. Bernard On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Hershel Fisch hersh...@syp2u4c.com wrote: My server is FreeBSD or OSX, Client is OSX and Win. What is the problem with writing multiple arguments? Do you mean multiple successive shell commands, or multiple arguments to one program? I want to write a GUI to connect to the server. Now I see in Rev, when a shell command is issued its sent and returns the prompt, if I need to respond to that prompt then it issues a different shell session and not a continuation of the previous one, e.g. I want to connect to a server or change user, put shell(su - userABC) it returns password that means that it wants a password to continue now where and who can I provide a password it should continue the current session? In terminal I just type it in and its done. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell
Alex Tweedly has a sample UDP (datagram) stack at Rev Online - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2010/1/18 Hershel Fisch hersh...@syp2u4c.com Hi, after knocking my head against the wall I decided to try to go via sockets, but I have some misunderstandings for unpredicted behavior, now my questions if somebody could give a full statement example? Thanks, Hershel On 1/7/10 5:12 AM, Bernard Devlin bdrun...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Herschel, I am unfamiliar with Hylafax. I don't think shell is going to cut it for your needs. What you may need is open process, write to process and read from process. Open process is kind of like opening a non-visible terminal, where the state of the program opened as a process persists throughout your read/write interactions with it. If you have a CLI client for hylafax for OS X Windows, then you can use that as the process to open. If the only CLI client you have for hylafax is on the server, then you will need to run remote sessions to the server. On OS X you could try 'talking' to the remote hylafax client via ssh opened via open process. If that works, you've got a start. On Windows you would then have to use something like plink (part of the Putty suite of ssh programs for windows). A final option might be to use the Expect program locally to talk to the remote hylafax client. I have never used Expect, but I imagine it would be more complex to use than open process + ssh. It's going to be convoluted, but it might work. Bernard On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Hershel Fisch hersh...@syp2u4c.com wrote: My server is FreeBSD or OSX, Client is OSX and Win. What is the problem with writing multiple arguments? Do you mean multiple successive shell commands, or multiple arguments to one program? I want to write a GUI to connect to the server. Now I see in Rev, when a shell command is issued its sent and returns the prompt, if I need to respond to that prompt then it issues a different shell session and not a continuation of the previous one, e.g. I want to connect to a server or change user, put shell(su - userABC) it returns password that means that it wants a password to continue now where and who can I provide a password it should continue the current session? In terminal I just type it in and its done. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell
be aware of the U in UDP... it means unreliable. Is there any reason for UDP and not TCP? (PS: haven't read the previous thread, I am just saying that because last time I coded with UDP I ended up having some very interesting experience with duplicated datagrams and dropped datagrams) On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:13 PM, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote: Alex Tweedly has a sample UDP (datagram) stack at Rev Online - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2010/1/18 Hershel Fisch hersh...@syp2u4c.com Hi, after knocking my head against the wall I decided to try to go via sockets, but I have some misunderstandings for unpredicted behavior, now my questions if somebody could give a full statement example? Thanks, Hershel On 1/7/10 5:12 AM, Bernard Devlin bdrun...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Herschel, I am unfamiliar with Hylafax. I don't think shell is going to cut it for your needs. What you may need is open process, write to process and read from process. Open process is kind of like opening a non-visible terminal, where the state of the program opened as a process persists throughout your read/write interactions with it. If you have a CLI client for hylafax for OS X Windows, then you can use that as the process to open. If the only CLI client you have for hylafax is on the server, then you will need to run remote sessions to the server. On OS X you could try 'talking' to the remote hylafax client via ssh opened via open process. If that works, you've got a start. On Windows you would then have to use something like plink (part of the Putty suite of ssh programs for windows). A final option might be to use the Expect program locally to talk to the remote hylafax client. I have never used Expect, but I imagine it would be more complex to use than open process + ssh. It's going to be convoluted, but it might work. Bernard On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Hershel Fisch hersh...@syp2u4c.com wrote: My server is FreeBSD or OSX, Client is OSX and Win. What is the problem with writing multiple arguments? Do you mean multiple successive shell commands, or multiple arguments to one program? I want to write a GUI to connect to the server. Now I see in Rev, when a shell command is issued its sent and returns the prompt, if I need to respond to that prompt then it issues a different shell session and not a continuation of the previous one, e.g. I want to connect to a server or change user, put shell(su - userABC) it returns password that means that it wants a password to continue now where and who can I provide a password it should continue the current session? In terminal I just type it in and its done. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell
I'm sure we will hear from Jim Ault soon about this -- he's been working recently with both TCP and UDP packets. - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2010/1/18 Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.com be aware of the U in UDP... it means unreliable. Is there any reason for UDP and not TCP? (PS: haven't read the previous thread, I am just saying that because last time I coded with UDP I ended up having some very interesting experience with duplicated datagrams and dropped datagrams) On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:13 PM, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote: Alex Tweedly has a sample UDP (datagram) stack at Rev Online - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2010/1/18 Hershel Fisch hersh...@syp2u4c.com Hi, after knocking my head against the wall I decided to try to go via sockets, but I have some misunderstandings for unpredicted behavior, now my questions if somebody could give a full statement example? Thanks, Hershel On 1/7/10 5:12 AM, Bernard Devlin bdrun...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Herschel, I am unfamiliar with Hylafax. I don't think shell is going to cut it for your needs. What you may need is open process, write to process and read from process. Open process is kind of like opening a non-visible terminal, where the state of the program opened as a process persists throughout your read/write interactions with it. If you have a CLI client for hylafax for OS X Windows, then you can use that as the process to open. If the only CLI client you have for hylafax is on the server, then you will need to run remote sessions to the server. On OS X you could try 'talking' to the remote hylafax client via ssh opened via open process. If that works, you've got a start. On Windows you would then have to use something like plink (part of the Putty suite of ssh programs for windows). A final option might be to use the Expect program locally to talk to the remote hylafax client. I have never used Expect, but I imagine it would be more complex to use than open process + ssh. It's going to be convoluted, but it might work. Bernard On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Hershel Fisch hersh...@syp2u4c.com wrote: My server is FreeBSD or OSX, Client is OSX and Win. What is the problem with writing multiple arguments? Do you mean multiple successive shell commands, or multiple arguments to one program? I want to write a GUI to connect to the server. Now I see in Rev, when a shell command is issued its sent and returns the prompt, if I need to respond to that prompt then it issues a different shell session and not a continuation of the previous one, e.g. I want to connect to a server or change user, put shell(su - userABC) it returns password that means that it wants a password to continue now where and who can I provide a password it should continue the current session? In terminal I just type it in and its done. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell
By the way, Skype uses UDP - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2010/1/18 stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com I'm sure we will hear from Jim Ault soon about this -- he's been working recently with both TCP and UDP packets. - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2010/1/18 Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.com be aware of the U in UDP... it means unreliable. Is there any reason for UDP and not TCP? (PS: haven't read the previous thread, I am just saying that because last time I coded with UDP I ended up having some very interesting experience with duplicated datagrams and dropped datagrams) On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:13 PM, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote: Alex Tweedly has a sample UDP (datagram) stack at Rev Online - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2010/1/18 Hershel Fisch hersh...@syp2u4c.com Hi, after knocking my head against the wall I decided to try to go via sockets, but I have some misunderstandings for unpredicted behavior, now my questions if somebody could give a full statement example? Thanks, Hershel On 1/7/10 5:12 AM, Bernard Devlin bdrun...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Herschel, I am unfamiliar with Hylafax. I don't think shell is going to cut it for your needs. What you may need is open process, write to process and read from process. Open process is kind of like opening a non-visible terminal, where the state of the program opened as a process persists throughout your read/write interactions with it. If you have a CLI client for hylafax for OS X Windows, then you can use that as the process to open. If the only CLI client you have for hylafax is on the server, then you will need to run remote sessions to the server. On OS X you could try 'talking' to the remote hylafax client via ssh opened via open process. If that works, you've got a start. On Windows you would then have to use something like plink (part of the Putty suite of ssh programs for windows). A final option might be to use the Expect program locally to talk to the remote hylafax client. I have never used Expect, but I imagine it would be more complex to use than open process + ssh. It's going to be convoluted, but it might work. Bernard On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Hershel Fisch hersh...@syp2u4c.com wrote: My server is FreeBSD or OSX, Client is OSX and Win. What is the problem with writing multiple arguments? Do you mean multiple successive shell commands, or multiple arguments to one program? I want to write a GUI to connect to the server. Now I see in Rev, when a shell command is issued its sent and returns the prompt, if I need to respond to that prompt then it issues a different shell session and not a continuation of the previous one, e.g. I want to connect to a server or change user, put shell(su - userABC) it returns password that means that it wants a password to continue now where and who can I provide a password it should continue the current session? In terminal I just type it in and its done. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell
On Jan 18, 2010, at 9:18 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: be aware of the U in UDP... it means unreliable. Is there any reason for UDP and not TCP? (PS: haven't read the previous thread, I am just saying that because last time I coded with UDP I ended up having some very interesting experience with duplicated datagrams and dropped datagrams) Amen Brother, been there with you and done that. sims [sims is trying to organize a group attendance to a Bob Dylan Concert in the UK - Get in touch with sims if interested]___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell
stephen- Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:27:51 PM, you wrote: By the way, Skype uses UDP Yes, but a voice stream has typically a 3kHz bandwidth and dropped packets don't make much of a difference. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell (cell phone rant)
To be fair, Skype's bandwidth (audio wise) sounds a lot better than 3k. That's a value like the horrible cellphone audio bandwidth (which is far worse than POTS). Skype is MUCH better sounding than either. Most of the communication companies don't give a hoot about clarity or quality of the conversation as long as it gets there and people put up with it. The state of telephone communications audio is at an all-time low. How many times have you had to say WHat? when using a cellphone? This just didn't happen with the old wired phones nearly as much. I hate the frickin' cellphone and use it every day. It's probably slowly killing me. The wired phones would NEVER drop a call, the biggest insult of all. Usually it's not a signal strength issue at all; most of the time users get randomly booted and cut off because the bandwidth narrows from the traffic load. - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2010/1/18 Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net stephen- Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:27:51 PM, you wrote: By the way, Skype uses UDP Yes, but a voice stream has typically a 3kHz bandwidth and dropped packets don't make much of a difference. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell (cell phone rant)
It doesn't help that the phones sux0rz, either. I have two phones on my hip, and the new one, the expensive one, sounds like crap. Bluetooth headsets sound like crap. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell (cell phone rant)
Which is my point. Between You Toob and MP3s and cell phones, the 'general public' is often only exposed to distorted (and disfigured) sound and video sources -- the 'dumbing down' of quality to where there is no quality reference available and so this noise ends up being what is considered 'acceptable'. For someone like me who has worked with quality audio for 50 years, it's painful. I don't tolerate bad sound in clubs either - I will walk out. The Rickshaw Stop in San Francisco was one of the worst I have ever heard in my life. Brick Wall Limiting and kill sound levels combined. No dynamics. Acoustic songs and Electric rockers all sound alike in a painful collage of pain. And I had my 25db pro earplugs in and still couldn't escape the pain. All these people will be SO deaf in about 5 years. Sad. Nobody seems to care. And one of the best sounding venues in town is the old Fillmore (and both Yoshi's nightclubs) - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2010/1/18 Mikey mikeyt...@gmail.com It doesn't help that the phones sux0rz, either. I have two phones on my hip, and the new one, the expensive one, sounds like crap. Bluetooth headsets sound like crap. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell (cell phone rant)
stephen- Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:48:42 PM, you wrote: To be fair, Skype's bandwidth (audio wise) sounds a lot better than 3k. We spent an hour and a half on a Skype video conversation halfway around the world with a friend in Germany yesterday with crystal-clear reception. My vision of the future is the POTS companies going out of business and Skype buying them up to provide wired service. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell
On 1/18/10 3:13 PM, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote: Alex Tweedly has a sample UDP (datagram) stack at Rev Online Could you be a bit more precise please? Didn't find it. Hershel - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2010/1/18 Hershel Fisch hersh...@syp2u4c.com Hi, after knocking my head against the wall I decided to try to go via sockets, but I have some misunderstandings for unpredicted behavior, now my questions if somebody could give a full statement example? Thanks, Hershel On 1/7/10 5:12 AM, Bernard Devlin bdrun...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Herschel, I am unfamiliar with Hylafax. I don't think shell is going to cut it for your needs. What you may need is open process, write to process and read from process. Open process is kind of like opening a non-visible terminal, where the state of the program opened as a process persists throughout your read/write interactions with it. If you have a CLI client for hylafax for OS X Windows, then you can use that as the process to open. If the only CLI client you have for hylafax is on the server, then you will need to run remote sessions to the server. On OS X you could try 'talking' to the remote hylafax client via ssh opened via open process. If that works, you've got a start. On Windows you would then have to use something like plink (part of the Putty suite of ssh programs for windows). A final option might be to use the Expect program locally to talk to the remote hylafax client. I have never used Expect, but I imagine it would be more complex to use than open process + ssh. It's going to be convoluted, but it might work. Bernard On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Hershel Fisch hersh...@syp2u4c.com wrote: My server is FreeBSD or OSX, Client is OSX and Win. What is the problem with writing multiple arguments? Do you mean multiple successive shell commands, or multiple arguments to one program? I want to write a GUI to connect to the server. Now I see in Rev, when a shell command is issued its sent and returns the prompt, if I need to respond to that prompt then it issues a different shell session and not a continuation of the previous one, e.g. I want to connect to a server or change user, put shell(su - userABC) it returns password that means that it wants a password to continue now where and who can I provide a password it should continue the current session? In terminal I just type it in and its done. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell
My info was taken from an old Nabble forum were Alex offered his stack. It doesn't seem to be on his site or Rev Online anymore - perhaps you could write him. sqb - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2010/1/18 Hershel Fisch hersh...@syp2u4c.com On 1/18/10 3:13 PM, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote: Alex Tweedly has a sample UDP (datagram) stack at Rev Online Could you be a bit more precise please? Didn't find it. Hershel - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2010/1/18 Hershel Fisch hersh...@syp2u4c.com Hi, after knocking my head against the wall I decided to try to go via sockets, but I have some misunderstandings for unpredicted behavior, now my questions if somebody could give a full statement example? Thanks, Hershel On 1/7/10 5:12 AM, Bernard Devlin bdrun...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Herschel, I am unfamiliar with Hylafax. I don't think shell is going to cut it for your needs. What you may need is open process, write to process and read from process. Open process is kind of like opening a non-visible terminal, where the state of the program opened as a process persists throughout your read/write interactions with it. If you have a CLI client for hylafax for OS X Windows, then you can use that as the process to open. If the only CLI client you have for hylafax is on the server, then you will need to run remote sessions to the server. On OS X you could try 'talking' to the remote hylafax client via ssh opened via open process. If that works, you've got a start. On Windows you would then have to use something like plink (part of the Putty suite of ssh programs for windows). A final option might be to use the Expect program locally to talk to the remote hylafax client. I have never used Expect, but I imagine it would be more complex to use than open process + ssh. It's going to be convoluted, but it might work. Bernard On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Hershel Fisch hersh...@syp2u4c.com wrote: My server is FreeBSD or OSX, Client is OSX and Win. What is the problem with writing multiple arguments? Do you mean multiple successive shell commands, or multiple arguments to one program? I want to write a GUI to connect to the server. Now I see in Rev, when a shell command is issued its sent and returns the prompt, if I need to respond to that prompt then it issues a different shell session and not a continuation of the previous one, e.g. I want to connect to a server or change user, put shell(su - userABC) it returns password that means that it wants a password to continue now where and who can I provide a password it should continue the current session? In terminal I just type it in and its done. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell
stephen barncard wrote: My info was taken from an old Nabble forum were Alex offered his stack. It doesn't seem to be on his site or Rev Online anymore - perhaps you could write him. They were on the old RevOnline (pre Rev 3.0). I had some problems getting stacks on the new RevOnline, but will try again soon. In the meantime, you can find them at http://www.tweedly.org/UDP echo server - released.rev http://www.tweedly.org/UDP echo client - released.rev (please do not look at anything else on that web site. under construction wouldn't even begin to describe it ...). -- Alex. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell
look out for spaces in the link --- automatic clickable links will be wrong with spaces. - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2010/1/18 Alex Tweedly a...@tweedly.net stephen barncard wrote: My info was taken from an old Nabble forum were Alex offered his stack. It doesn't seem to be on his site or Rev Online anymore - perhaps you could write him. They were on the old RevOnline (pre Rev 3.0). I had some problems getting stacks on the new RevOnline, but will try again soon. In the meantime, you can find them at http://www.tweedly.org/UDP echo server - released.rev http://www.tweedly.org/UDP echo client - released.rev (please do not look at anything else on that web site. under construction wouldn't even begin to describe it ...). -- Alex. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell
Thanks, I think this is what I'll try to do. I hope its going to work. Hershel On 1/7/10 5:12 AM, Bernard Devlin bdrun...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Herschel, I am unfamiliar with Hylafax. I don't think shell is going to cut it for your needs. What you may need is open process, write to process and read from process. Open process is kind of like opening a non-visible terminal, where the state of the program opened as a process persists throughout your read/write interactions with it. If you have a CLI client for hylafax for OS X Windows, then you can use that as the process to open. If the only CLI client you have for hylafax is on the server, then you will need to run remote sessions to the server. On OS X you could try 'talking' to the remote hylafax client via ssh opened via open process. If that works, you've got a start. On Windows you would then have to use something like plink (part of the Putty suite of ssh programs for windows). A final option might be to use the Expect program locally to talk to the remote hylafax client. I have never used Expect, but I imagine it would be more complex to use than open process + ssh. It's going to be convoluted, but it might work. Bernard On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Hershel Fisch hersh...@syp2u4c.com wrote: My server is FreeBSD or OSX, Client is OSX and Win. What is the problem with writing multiple arguments? Do you mean multiple successive shell commands, or multiple arguments to one program? I want to write a GUI to connect to the server. Now I see in Rev, when a shell command is issued its sent and returns the prompt, if I need to respond to that prompt then it issues a different shell session and not a continuation of the previous one, e.g. I want to connect to a server or change user, put shell(su - userABC) it returns password that means that it wants a password to continue now where and who can I provide a password it should continue the current session? In terminal I just type it in and its done. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell
Hi Herschel, I am unfamiliar with Hylafax. I don't think shell is going to cut it for your needs. What you may need is open process, write to process and read from process. Open process is kind of like opening a non-visible terminal, where the state of the program opened as a process persists throughout your read/write interactions with it. If you have a CLI client for hylafax for OS X Windows, then you can use that as the process to open. If the only CLI client you have for hylafax is on the server, then you will need to run remote sessions to the server. On OS X you could try 'talking' to the remote hylafax client via ssh opened via open process. If that works, you've got a start. On Windows you would then have to use something like plink (part of the Putty suite of ssh programs for windows). A final option might be to use the Expect program locally to talk to the remote hylafax client. I have never used Expect, but I imagine it would be more complex to use than open process + ssh. It's going to be convoluted, but it might work. Bernard On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Hershel Fisch hersh...@syp2u4c.com wrote: My server is FreeBSD or OSX, Client is OSX and Win. What is the problem with writing multiple arguments? Do you mean multiple successive shell commands, or multiple arguments to one program? I want to write a GUI to connect to the server. Now I see in Rev, when a shell command is issued its sent and returns the prompt, if I need to respond to that prompt then it issues a different shell session and not a continuation of the previous one, e.g. I want to connect to a server or change user, put shell(su - userABC) it returns password that means that it wants a password to continue now where and who can I provide a password it should continue the current session? In terminal I just type it in and its done. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell
First of all thanks, On 1/5/10 9:07 AM, Bernard Devlin bdrun...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Hershel, The way to work with remote shells is with rsh or ssh. I'm assuming that your client platform is os x or linux, and your server platform is linux. My server is FreeBSD or OSX, Client is OSX and Win. What is the problem with writing multiple arguments? Do you mean multiple successive shell commands, or multiple arguments to one program? I want to write a GUI to connect to the server. Now I see in Rev, when a shell command is issued its sent and returns the prompt, if I need to respond to that prompt then it issues a different shell session and not a continuation of the previous one, e.g. I want to connect to a server or change user, put shell(su - userABC) it returns password that means that it wants a password to continue now where and who can I provide a password it should continue the current session? In terminal I just type it in and its done. Now when I'll know how to do it in Rev, then I can develop the majority of front end GUI's for server's, like the one I want to do now, a Hylafax+ admin and user client. Thanks in advanced, Hershel Bernard On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Hershel Fisch hersh...@syp2u4c.com wrote: Hi, I¹d like to write an admin gui for hylafax+, any advise on how to issue remote shell commands? As well how to write multiple arguments via shell? Thanks, Hershel ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell
I want to write a GUI to connect to the server. Now I see in Rev, when a shell command is issued its sent and returns the prompt, if I need to respond to that prompt then it issues a different shell session and not a continuation of the previous one, e.g. I want to connect to a server or change user, put shell(su - userABC) it returns password that means that it wants a password to continue now where and who can I provide a password it should continue the current session? In terminal I just type it in and its done. Here is a command I use for setting the system clock on OS X. It builds a multi-line set of shell commands, including the su password, then sends them to the Rev shell() function as a single command. on setClock pPassword, pDate, pTime -- build the command lines put #!/bin/sh cr into tScript put pw= quote pPassword quote cr after tScript put echo $pw | sudo -S date pDate pTime cr after tScript -- do the command get the result put shell(tScript) into tCheck end setClock To alter to use your command, change the following line: put echo $pw | sudo -S date tDate tTime cr after tScript Leave everything up to including the -S, then put your command it's parameters in place of my date command. HTH, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell
Hi Hershel, Sorry I didn't see your post until now (it went into my spam folder - thanks Google!) The way to work with remote shells is with rsh or ssh. I'm assuming that your client platform is os x or linux, and your server platform is linux. What is the problem with writing multiple arguments? Do you mean multiple successive shell commands, or multiple arguments to one program? Bernard On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Hershel Fisch hersh...@syp2u4c.com wrote: Hi, I¹d like to write an admin gui for hylafax+, any advise on how to issue remote shell commands? As well how to write multiple arguments via shell? Thanks, Hershel ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell access in on-rev - please do not complain anymore
This was one of the first policies to be changed... you can get SSH (shell) access on request, no problem, with on-Rev. p.s.: The Founder's offer is still available until 11:59 GMT Tuesday I think. runrev260...@m-r-d.de wrote in message news:00036331.49ff0...@the-office.us... Hi, i do not know, what web hosting does mean in the other countries. But if i buy a web hosting package here in germany, then it is normal, that i do not get full shell access. If i want full control of the server including shell access i have to purchase a server or a virtual server package. On-rev offers lot more than normal web hosting. So i cannot understand why so many people are complaining about the missing shell access. Btw. before purchasing on-rev everyone can see the feature chart of on-rev. There is nothing to read about shell access. Okay, if there would be the possibility to use some command line tools like magick this would be fine. But i, for one, want a system, which is not vulnerable because everyone gets (full) shell access. Sorry, but i am just in a bad temper at the moment and i am sick of reading messages complaining about a missing feature which was even not promised by Runrev. I do not know how much you pay for other web hosting packages, but with the on-rev founder offer i can spent about 130,- Euros a month. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell xyz in the background OS X
Hi Klaus, On Unix it would be normal to have to set a shell file to be executable (chmod +x mynewshellfile.sh) or else one is likely to get the permission denied error. I guess that is the same with OS X. Bernard Then I tried to execute the file directly in the terminal and got: Permission denied What can I do to get it to work in Rev? Thanks in advance! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell xyz in the background OS X
Hi Bernard Hi Klaus, On Unix it would be normal to have to set a shell file to be executable (chmod +x mynewshellfile.sh) or else one is likely to get the permission denied error. I guess that is the same with OS X. YEAH! That was it, and it was obviously too obvious :-) Thanks a lot! Bernard Regards from germany Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell xyz in the background OS X
Klaus, you might also consider using open process. This can be useful (depending on the shell command you're using) because you can then set up a non-blocking send in time loop to monitor progress and get the output. Best, Mark On 20 Aug 2008, at 10:53, Klaus Major wrote: Hi all, I just found this gem in the Rev docs: Tip: The shell function blocks Revolution until it is completed. If you want to run a shell command in the background, write the shell script to a text file then execute it with the launch command. But cannot get it to work. What I did: 1. put the tempname .sh into shell_file I think sh is the correct suffix, since the FInder show the SHELL icon for this file. 2. set the filetype to 3. wrote the correct shell command to url(file: shell_file) 4. Tried: launch shell_file ## seems to be the right syntax but see below... launch document shell_file and even: launch shell_file with /usr/bin No chance. Then I tried to execute the file directly in the terminal and got: Permission denied What can I do to get it to work in Rev? Thanks in advance! Best Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell xyz in the background OS X
Hi Mark, Klaus, you might also consider using open process. This can be useful (depending on the shell command you're using) because you can then set up a non-blocking send in time loop to monitor progress and get the output. Rigfht now we are just using ditto to let the users copy files from a to b and back. But now I can change our code, so the users can work on while copying large files, mainly uncompressed DV video files. But that's a good idea, will surely archive it! Thanks, Mark! Best, Mark Best Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Shell Command Help
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:34 AM, RevList [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to write a GUI interface for an application that I run in Terminal. In Terminal, if I run /Users/slynch/Desktop/FCPUTIL_GUI/fcputil -S getstats I get the following returned 8.300 413.000 4.000 0.317 1.042 1366.000 100.000 129757.000 0.000 1497612288.000 When I create a button with the following script in Rev On MouseUp put Shell(/Users/slynch/Desktop/FCPUTIL_GUI/fcputil -S getstats) into tShellCommand put Shell(tShellCommand) into tFilesList answer tFilesList End MouseUp I get this returned /bin/sh: line 1:8300: command not found The first line is executing the shell command. Then the second line is trying the execute the command: Shell(/Users/slynch/Desktop/FCPUTIL_GUI/fcputil -S getstats) which is a valid Rev command, but not a valid shell command. Try this: on MouseUp put /Users/slynch/Desktop/FCPUTIL_GUI/fcputil -S getstats into tShellCommand put Shell(tShellCommand) into tFilesList answer tFilesList end MouseUp Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Shell Command Help
How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com on May 27, 2008 at 1:54 PM -0700 wrote: on MouseUp put /Users/slynch/Desktop/FCPUTIL_GUI/fcputil -S getstats into tShellCommand put Shell(tShellCommand) into tFilesList answer tFilesList end MouseUp Duh. What a dumb question. Of course. I couldn't even debug my own error. Sorry about that. I am good now. Stewart. Notice of Confidentiality: The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review re-transmission dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error please contact the sender immediately by return electronic transmission and then immediately delete this transmission including all attachments without copying distributing or disclosing same. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell command callback question
I have just one more question on this: Is there any empirical way to determine when a shell process has completed? (Other than trying to figure it out by parsing the returned text) This would be analogous, I guess, to when in Terminal, it returns you to the regular prompt. On Apr 24, 2008, at 2:19 AM, Mark Smith wrote: Josh, there's a couple of ways to deal with this, but, as of 2.9, at last we can read and write interactively to processes on OS X, so I do things like this: to encode an audio file with the flac command line encoder, on flacEncode pInfile, pOutfile put flac pInfile -o pOutfile into tProc open process tProc for update -- this starts the process working -- this is often better done with a send in time handler and a callback -- but shows how it works put 0 into tPercDone repeat until tPercDone = 100 wait 250 millisecs with messages read from process tProc until empty put it into tProcOutput ... statements to parse out the percentage complete from tProcOutput ... put tPercDone end repeat close process tProc end flacEncode --- Another option is to open /bin/bash as a process, so you can then read and write to it as if it were the 'terminal' app. best, Mark On 24 Apr 2008, at 05:33, Josh Mellicker wrote: When you execute a shell command in Terminal in OS X, (in appropriate cases) you get text back as the command executes. For example, when searching a hard drive, even though the entire process takes a while, at each moment it finds a matching file, it echoes it to the terminal, so you get a little feedback while you're waiting. However, in Revolution, when I execute a shell command, nothing is returned until the entire command is finishing executing, at which point I get all the echoed text at once. I am brand new at this and probably missing something obvious... how do you set up a callback so you get the echoed text in real time? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell command callback question
Josh, it depends on the particular things you're doing - many (like the flac encoder in my example) exit when they're done, so you can check 'the open processes', but some things persist. Best, Mark On 25 Apr 2008, at 20:54, Josh Mellicker wrote: I have just one more question on this: Is there any empirical way to determine when a shell process has completed? (Other than trying to figure it out by parsing the returned text) This would be analogous, I guess, to when in Terminal, it returns you to the regular prompt. On Apr 24, 2008, at 2:19 AM, Mark Smith wrote: Josh, there's a couple of ways to deal with this, but, as of 2.9, at last we can read and write interactively to processes on OS X, so I do things like this: to encode an audio file with the flac command line encoder, on flacEncode pInfile, pOutfile put flac pInfile -o pOutfile into tProc open process tProc for update -- this starts the process working -- this is often better done with a send in time handler and a callback -- but shows how it works put 0 into tPercDone repeat until tPercDone = 100 wait 250 millisecs with messages read from process tProc until empty put it into tProcOutput ... statements to parse out the percentage complete from tProcOutput ... put tPercDone end repeat close process tProc end flacEncode --- Another option is to open /bin/bash as a process, so you can then read and write to it as if it were the 'terminal' app. best, Mark On 24 Apr 2008, at 05:33, Josh Mellicker wrote: When you execute a shell command in Terminal in OS X, (in appropriate cases) you get text back as the command executes. For example, when searching a hard drive, even though the entire process takes a while, at each moment it finds a matching file, it echoes it to the terminal, so you get a little feedback while you're waiting. However, in Revolution, when I execute a shell command, nothing is returned until the entire command is finishing executing, at which point I get all the echoed text at once. I am brand new at this and probably missing something obvious... how do you set up a callback so you get the echoed text in real time? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell command callback question
Josh, there's a couple of ways to deal with this, but, as of 2.9, at last we can read and write interactively to processes on OS X, so I do things like this: to encode an audio file with the flac command line encoder, on flacEncode pInfile, pOutfile put flac pInfile -o pOutfile into tProc open process tProc for update -- this starts the process working -- this is often better done with a send in time handler and a callback -- but shows how it works put 0 into tPercDone repeat until tPercDone = 100 wait 250 millisecs with messages read from process tProc until empty put it into tProcOutput ... statements to parse out the percentage complete from tProcOutput ... put tPercDone end repeat close process tProc end flacEncode --- Another option is to open /bin/bash as a process, so you can then read and write to it as if it were the 'terminal' app. best, Mark On 24 Apr 2008, at 05:33, Josh Mellicker wrote: When you execute a shell command in Terminal in OS X, (in appropriate cases) you get text back as the command executes. For example, when searching a hard drive, even though the entire process takes a while, at each moment it finds a matching file, it echoes it to the terminal, so you get a little feedback while you're waiting. However, in Revolution, when I execute a shell command, nothing is returned until the entire command is finishing executing, at which point I get all the echoed text at once. I am brand new at this and probably missing something obvious... how do you set up a callback so you get the echoed text in real time? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell command callback question
Thanks Mark! That's exactly what I needed! On Apr 24, 2008, at 2:19 AM, Mark Smith wrote: Josh, there's a couple of ways to deal with this, but, as of 2.9, at last we can read and write interactively to processes on OS X, so I do things like this: to encode an audio file with the flac command line encoder, on flacEncode pInfile, pOutfile put flac pInfile -o pOutfile into tProc open process tProc for update -- this starts the process working -- this is often better done with a send in time handler and a callback -- but shows how it works put 0 into tPercDone repeat until tPercDone = 100 wait 250 millisecs with messages read from process tProc until empty put it into tProcOutput ... statements to parse out the percentage complete from tProcOutput ... put tPercDone end repeat close process tProc end flacEncode --- Another option is to open /bin/bash as a process, so you can then read and write to it as if it were the 'terminal' app. best, Mark On 24 Apr 2008, at 05:33, Josh Mellicker wrote: When you execute a shell command in Terminal in OS X, (in appropriate cases) you get text back as the command executes. For example, when searching a hard drive, even though the entire process takes a while, at each moment it finds a matching file, it echoes it to the terminal, so you get a little feedback while you're waiting. However, in Revolution, when I execute a shell command, nothing is returned until the entire command is finishing executing, at which point I get all the echoed text at once. I am brand new at this and probably missing something obvious... how do you set up a callback so you get the echoed text in real time? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Shell commands on Windows XP Home Edition
Mark- First, (systemVersion = NT 5.1) tells me only XP. Is there someway I can further distinguish Pro from Home? You might try something like get the number of lines of shell(systeminfo) if it 2 then -- it's pro else -- it's home end if Third, does a master cross-reference exist somewhere that enumerates what shell commands are compatible from Win 2000 through to Vista? rotfl -- Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Shell commands on Windows XP Home Edition
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:27:41 +, Mark E. Powell wrote: First, (systemVersion = NT 5.1) tells me only XP. Is there someway I can further distinguish Pro from Home? Well, you can read the data from the prodspec.ini file in the System32 directory, which is supposed to never be modified or deleted. So you can do this: function XPType put (specialFolderPath(37) /prodspec.ini) into tINIFile if there is a file tINIFile then put url (file: tINIFile) into tData if tData contains Windows XP Professional then return Pro else return Home end if else return Error: File not found. end if end XPType Second, if anyone has dealt with this phenomenon before I would like to know how you succeeded in infusing an XP Home client with XP Pro command line capability. Well, in some cases you're allowed to distribute certain command line apps with your distribution (you'd have to check Microsoft's site for that). But in general, I'd assume that if it's not on both versions, you should go with a third party utility you can bundle. Third, does a master cross-reference exist somewhere that enumerates what shell commands are compatible from Win 2000 through to Vista? Not AFAIK, but it would be great if someone knew where one was... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell command problem
Hi Thomas , You have to read the result of the shell() function. get shell(...) or put shell(...) into x HTH Thierry Can someone guide me in the correct use of the shell command on OSX. I have tried to set the shellcommand to /bin/ired with no result. This is my script: ON mouseUp put field myControl2 into tControl IF tControl is not THEN put the shellcommand into tShellPath set the shellcommand to /bin/ired shell (field myControl2) -- put quote ired - send quote Robosapien V2 quote Quote D Quote into tred -- shell (tred) set the shellcommand to tShellPath ELSE revspeak OH OH END IF END mouseUp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell command problem
Hi Thomas, I get handler not found instead of can't set property. At which line exactly does the error occur? Why don't you have hints in your error message? The hint line contains important information about the cause of the problem. Have you tried executing the foloowing line? put shell(/bin/iRed fld myControl2) If this doesn't work, either the command line utility is not where you think you have put it or the contents of the field is incorrect. If it does work, something is wrong with your script. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 29-mei-2007, om 16:40 heeft Thomas McGrath III het volgende geschreven: Can someone guide me in the correct use of the shell command on OSX. I have an app called iRed which comes with a command line application that I copied to the bin folder on my machine and from a terminal window I can execute the following ired -send Robosapien V2 D which works great. iRed is a program that can send IR codes via a USB device called irTrans to my Robosapien V2 robot. Everything works fine from within iRed controlling the robot. Everything works fine from the terminal window. Everything also works fine using an applescript: try tell application iRed to send ir Code D of RC Robosapien V2 on error beep end try Everything also works storing the applescript in a custom prop in REV and then DOing the applescript. The only thing I can't seem to figure out is how to run a command line directly from within REV. The docs say if I am having trouble to try the command line directly in a terminal window and it does indeed work fine. snip script errors ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell command problem
Hi Thierry, Yes thanks, it looks like I was forgetting that the shell evals to a string. I fixed this and now I am not getting the error anymore but the command is still not executing. I am getting the intro text that pops up when the iRed command application runs, you know, (ired Version 2.0 usage: ired -send etc.) which tells me I am communicating with it but not getting any result. Any ideas??? Thanks again, Tom On May 29, 2007, at 11:48 AM, Thierry wrote: Hi Thomas , You have to read the result of the shell() function. get shell(...) or put shell(...) into x HTH Thierry Can someone guide me in the correct use of the shell command on OSX. I have tried to set the shellcommand to /bin/ired with no result. This is my script: ON mouseUp put field myControl2 into tControl IF tControl is not THEN put the shellcommand into tShellPath set the shellcommand to /bin/ired shell (field myControl2) -- put quote ired - send quote Robosapien V2 quote Quote D Quote into tred -- shell (tred) set the shellcommand to tShellPath ELSE revspeak OH OH END IF END mouseUp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell command problem
Mark, Thanks I tried combining the path and command and am now getting the iRed app to respond but not execute the command. I can get this to work directly from the terminal application. I will mess around with this tonight. Thanks Mark, Tom On May 29, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi Thomas, I get handler not found instead of can't set property. At which line exactly does the error occur? Why don't you have hints in your error message? The hint line contains important information about the cause of the problem. Have you tried executing the foloowing line? put shell(/bin/iRed fld myControl2) If this doesn't work, either the command line utility is not where you think you have put it or the contents of the field is incorrect. If it does work, something is wrong with your script. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 29-mei-2007, om 16:40 heeft Thomas McGrath III het volgende geschreven: Can someone guide me in the correct use of the shell command on OSX. I have an app called iRed which comes with a command line application that I copied to the bin folder on my machine and from a terminal window I can execute the following ired -send Robosapien V2 D which works great. iRed is a program that can send IR codes via a USB device called irTrans to my Robosapien V2 robot. Everything works fine from within iRed controlling the robot. Everything works fine from the terminal window. Everything also works fine using an applescript: try tell application iRed to send ir Code D of RC Robosapien V2 on error beep end try Everything also works storing the applescript in a custom prop in REV and then DOing the applescript. The only thing I can't seem to figure out is how to run a command line directly from within REV. The docs say if I am having trouble to try the command line directly in a terminal window and it does indeed work fine. snip script errors ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Shell and rsync
Brent, Rsync will use ssh by default. If you're stuck with just using the ssh transport (similar to doing an scp) then you should try 'Open Process' followed by 'write to process'. But this bug, http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3196, may get in your way. If you can put rsyncd on the remote server then you have one of two options. You can use the --password-file option on the command line or you can try setting the environment variable 'RSYNC_PASSWORD'. -- cb On 5/29/07, Brent Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. I'm looking into a way to execute rsync on Mac OS X from Revolution via shell. One of the rsync targets will be a remote server. The problem I'm facing here is that I can't pass a password to access the server from rsync. Although I could use public key authentication, I don't want to have to worry about handling the certificates outside of Revolution. In short, how does one pass a password into rsync so that Revolution can properly use it? Thanks, Brent Anderson ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell command problem
Correct method found!!! ON mouseUp put field myControl2 into tControl IF tControl is not THEN put shell(/bin/iRed fld myControl2) ELSE revspeak OH OH -- other error correction here END IF END mouseUp with -send Robosapien V2 square in field myControl2 instead of ( iRed -send Robosapien V2 square). Apparently using the path and command works and then the iRed is not needed before the command. It now works and I am using Revolution to completely control the Robosapien V2 Robot from Sharper image and also the Alive Chimpanzee as well. This opens up the option to have a Chimp alert me to new email or other environmental controls as well as to create software to allow or give the impression of Artificial Personality. I prefer AP over AI since the personality is the better part for most people any way and not the intelligence. I had already figured out how to control the robot via speech recognition and Applescript as well as using a USB keypad (iKeys) and iCal for timed events etc. but I wanted to accomplish it with having to have the iRed application open and since they provided the CommandLine app version of iRed that seemed the best way to go. Now it is running smoothly and I need to put it all together and finalize the interface. Once I am finished putting this all together I will upload to my user area with details on how to accomplish this wonderful treat. Thanks Mark and Thierry. Tom ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell command problem
Actually without the iRed application being open I can not get this to work via the command line. With the app open I can get it to work with both the command line and with applescript. I don't see the benefit of one over the other. I have sent iRed an email to find out what their iRed commandline version is capable of. Thanks for the help, Tom McGrath On May 29, 2007, at 5:16 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: ON mouseUp put field myControl2 into tControl IF tControl is not THEN put shell(/bin/iRed fld myControl2) ELSE revspeak OH OH -- other error correction here END IF END mouseUp with -send Robosapien V2 square ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell() in a separate thread with callback message at exit?
Here is an example script that does a ping. The handler includes the post-processing of the result, but you can just ignore that. function checkPing pIP ... put ping -c1 -npIP into tShellCmd put tFileName 21 after tShellCmd Thank you a lot Sarah. Your code let me discover the wait .. with messages which I have never been aware of (the old Hypercard practice?). This can actually do the job I am searching for. Also, your example raises two questions: 1.- Is there somewhere some documentation on synchronous/asynchronos parallel/threaded Transcript execution? I would like to learn about other such great features native in Transcript... 2.- I understand the shell command you wrote up to ping -c1 -n 192.168.0.1 and even the mandatory for executing the shell in a separate thread but I dont understand the 21 . Could you explain? Do you have a good MacOSX/Un*x tutorial on the shell commands? Best to you, Joël___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell() in a separate thread with callback message at exit?
This is an important feature request - no? I am not sure how to do this - I have suspected you may be able to do this with some clever shell scripting - but not cracked it for things that you need results from. You can put a shell into the background using ie think, and you could look into the screen command, but the only ways I figured on doing this properly is to have a separate program running and executing the shell. This program can then talk to Rev using sockets or some other technique. On 10/03/07, Joel Guillod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What platforms are you supporting? If it is Mac only then I think you can achieve this using an AppleScript and AppleEvents. Let me know and I'll let you have more details. Yes, I would be very pleased to get the details for MacOSX. Also I need to support this feature under Windows but let us start with the Mac solution. Thanks a lot, Joel All the Best Dave On 8 Mar 2007, at 11:20, Joel Guillod wrote: How can I implement the following features: - invoque a shell command in a separate thread, i.e. a non blocking shell during execution of the command; - receive a callback message with the output and the error result when the thread exits? This would be some function similar to the load command, i.e.: shellExecute commandLine [with message callbackMessage] where ... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell() in a separate thread with callback message at exit?
On 3/8/07, Joel Guillod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I implement the following features: - invoque a shell command in a separate thread, i.e. a non blocking shell during execution of the command; - receive a callback message with the output and the error result when the thread exits? This would be some function similar to the load command, i.e.: shellExecute commandLine [with message callbackMessage] where The commandLine is a string or an expression that evaluates to a string. The callbackMessage is the name of a message to send after the shell exited. The callbackMessage signature would be: on callbackMessage pCmdOutput,pCmdError,pShellError where - pCmdOutput is the value returned by the shell function, i.e. the result of the sdtout commandLine, including any error messages the commandLine generates. - pCmdError is the error the command generate (sdterr under unix). - pShellError is the shell command's exit code. Hi Joel, This isn't exactly what you described, but here is how I do it. Start the shell command running in the background but directing it's output to a text file. Then have a loop to check for this text file until it appears or until a time out period has elapsed. Here is an example script that does a ping. The handler includes the post-processing of the result, but you can just ignore that. function checkPing pIP put specialFolderPath(Desktop) /ping.txt into tFileName if there is a file tFileName then delete file tFileName put ping -c1 -npIP into tShellCmd put tFileName 21 after tShellCmd get shell(tShellCmd) put 0 into timeCheck repeat 50 times wait 1 tick with messages if there is a file tFileName then put URL (file: tFileName) into tRes if tRes is empty then next repeat -- file created but no result yet put wordOffset(loss, tRes) into tWord if tWord = 0 then next repeat -- file created but result not complete put word tWord-2 of tRes into tPercent if tPercent = 0% then return true else return false end if end repeat if there is a file tFileName then delete file tFileName return false end checkPing Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell() in a separate thread with callback message at exit?
What platforms are you supporting? If it is Mac only then I think you can achieve this using an AppleScript and AppleEvents. Let me know and I'll let you have more details. Yes, I would be very pleased to get the details for MacOSX. Also I need to support this feature under Windows but let us start with the Mac solution. Thanks a lot, Joel All the Best Dave On 8 Mar 2007, at 11:20, Joel Guillod wrote: How can I implement the following features: - invoque a shell command in a separate thread, i.e. a non blocking shell during execution of the command; - receive a callback message with the output and the error result when the thread exits? This would be some function similar to the load command, i.e.: shellExecute commandLine [with message callbackMessage] where ... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell() in a separate thread with callback message at exit?
Hi, What platforms are you supporting? If it is Mac only then I think you can achieve this using an AppleScript and AppleEvents. Let me know and I'll let you have more details. All the Best Dave On 8 Mar 2007, at 11:20, Joel Guillod wrote: How can I implement the following features: - invoque a shell command in a separate thread, i.e. a non blocking shell during execution of the command; - receive a callback message with the output and the error result when the thread exits? This would be some function similar to the load command, i.e.: shellExecute commandLine [with message callbackMessage] where The commandLine is a string or an expression that evaluates to a string. The callbackMessage is the name of a message to send after the shell exited. The callbackMessage signature would be: on callbackMessage pCmdOutput,pCmdError,pShellError where - pCmdOutput is the value returned by the shell function, i.e. the result of the sdtout commandLine, including any error messages the commandLine generates. - pCmdError is the error the command generate (sdterr under unix). - pShellError is the shell command's exit code. If I remember well the externals API allows for such threading and callback but I am not a C expert. Could anyone give me refs/ pointers to a solution? I need a multiplatform solution. Thanks a lot ! Joël ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Shell commands are blocking -- work around?
Me, I'd just create a separate 'Search Stack'. Not a substack, but a separate standalone so that it has it's own process id and memory. I've used this technique with great success for a DB searcher. My 'Individual Record' stack has a link to my 'Bulk Search' stack. A bulk or All search can take up to 5 min and I can leave it to do it's thing whilst I work with the 'Individual Record' stack. I don't have any bell or whistle to let me know when the Bulk Search is over - I can usually tell because the table field is filled in, but I'm sure it would be easy to add. From my 'Bulk Search' stack clicking on any line (1 record) will immediately send an individual search and display the result in the 'Individual Record' stack - split second fast. Just another option. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Shell commands are blocking -- work around?
John: your idea of using a cron is excellent I would probably just have Revolution write directly to cron (as I have this already set up...) and pass the parameter along with it. Though i think I will use this for other tasks, not this one. But that's definitely a keeper. Sarah: I'll try using your method first, why don't you use send in 1 second until the file is not empty or something like that, instead of a repeat loop with wait? BTW: from man sh, REDIRECTION Section The mysterious part.. still archane, but there's a touch of light here. and lots of other stuff in man sh, if you have the stomach for bash. = Note that the order of redirections is significant. For example, the command ls dirlist 21 directs both standard output and standard error to the file dirlist, while the command ls 21 dirlist directs only the standard output to file dirlist, because the standard error was duplicated as standard output before the standard output was redirected to dirlist. = Sivakatirswami Sarah Reichelt wrote: On 11/11/06, Sivakatirswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some on our team are *nix nerds and if I need a powerdrill to add to my tool box they are, being long time masters of the unix patchwork quilt method of micro programs and pipes... more than happy to give me a little bash script. OK so, my cmd line skills are slowly improving and I can install these widgets in /usr/local/bin/some_cool_tool.sh # on my OSX box, G4 Powerbook e.g. SEARCH_PATTERN=$1 locate index.shtml | while read INDEX_FILE; do fgrep -H -i $SEARCH_PATTERN $INDEX_FILE done | more exit 0 (wow, that is s concise!) and then in Revolution set up a button: on mouseUp put empty into fld results set the shellCommand to /bin/sh put /usr/local/bin/web_content_search.sh quote fld findString quote into tShellCmd put shell (tShellcmd) into fld results end mouseUp It all works, is very sweet And it is a *lot* faster than using transcript for the same job. *but* Only problem is: it is blocking... and this is documented behavior: Here is my way around this problem. The example below is for a ping command, but I'm sure you can adapt it to your stuff. As you can see, I direct the output of the shell command to a temporary text file. The second part of the shell command containing the 21 is the relevant section. I don't understand it but it works :-) The rest of the script just loops around checking to see if there is anything in this file and then parsing the result. Since it uses wait with messages, it is non-blocking. HTH, Sarah function checkPing pIP put specialFolderPath(Desktop) /ping.txt into tFileName if there is a file tFileName then delete file tFileName put ping -c1 -npIP into tShellCmd put tFileName 21 after tShellCmd get shell(tShellCmd) put 0 into timeCheck repeat 50 times add 1 to timeCheck wait 1 tick with messages if there is a file tFileName then put URL (file: tFileName) into tRes if tRes is empty then next repeat -- file created but no result yet put wordOffset(loss, tRes) into tWord if tWord = 0 then next repeat -- file created but result not complete -- if there is a file tFileName then delete file tFileName put word tWord-2 of tRes into tPercent if tPercent = 0% then return true else return false end if end repeat if there is a file tFileName then delete file tFileName return false end checkPing ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Shell commands are blocking -- work around?
Sarah Reichelt wrote: Here is my way around this problem. The example below is for a ping command, but I'm sure you can adapt it to your stuff. As you can see, I direct the output of the shell command to a temporary text file. The second part of the shell command containing the 21 is the relevant section. I don't understand it but it works :-) 21 means that you want anything sent to stderr (2) redirected to stdout (1), meaning that stdout now will be both stdout and stderr. The trailing simply means that you want to run it in the background, and you're then free to run other commands while this command is running in the background. Geir A. Myrestrand ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Shell commands are blocking -- work around?
Sarah: I'll try using your method first, why don't you use send in 1 second until the file is not empty or something like that, instead of a repeat loop with wait? I guess I could have done it that way, but I would have to incorporate a check for reading a file that was not yet complete, or for a file reading error, if it was still in use by the shell. This works very quickly if there is a connection, and handles a failure smoothly. BTW: from man sh, REDIRECTION Section The mysterious part.. still archane, but there's a touch of light here. and lots of other stuff in man sh, if you have the stomach for bash. = Note that the order of redirections is significant. For example, the command ls dirlist 21 directs both standard output and standard error to the file dirlist, while the command ls 21 dirlist directs only the standard output to file dirlist, because the standard error was duplicated as standard output before the standard output was redirected to dirlist. = Thanks for this info, I'm getting worried now, because I almost understand it :-) Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Shell commands are blocking -- work around?
On 11/14/06, Geir A. Myrestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sarah Reichelt wrote: Here is my way around this problem. The example below is for a ping command, but I'm sure you can adapt it to your stuff. As you can see, I direct the output of the shell command to a temporary text file. The second part of the shell command containing the 21 is the relevant section. I don't understand it but it works :-) 21 means that you want anything sent to stderr (2) redirected to stdout (1), meaning that stdout now will be both stdout and stderr. The trailing simply means that you want to run it in the background, and you're then free to run other commands while this command is running in the background. Thanks Geir, I think I get it now, but I keep it in my scrapbook, because I would never remember it. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Shell commands are blocking -- work around?
You could write a request to a text file and have a cron job (maybe running every couple of minutes) pick up the request from the text file, do the processing and write the results to a result file. You can then poll the result file from your rev app. I've use this technique many times with PHP. Hope this info is of use. JC Sivakatirswami wrote: Some on our team are *nix nerds and if I need a powerdrill to add to my tool box they are, being long time masters of the unix patchwork quilt method of micro programs and pipes... more than happy to give me a little bash script. OK so, my cmd line skills are slowly improving and I can install these widgets in /usr/local/bin/some_cool_tool.sh # on my OSX box, G4 Powerbook e.g. SEARCH_PATTERN=$1 locate index.shtml | while read INDEX_FILE; do fgrep -H -i $SEARCH_PATTERN $INDEX_FILE done | more exit 0 (wow, that is s concise!) and then in Revolution set up a button: on mouseUp put empty into fld results set the shellCommand to /bin/sh put /usr/local/bin/web_content_search.sh quote fld findString quote into tShellCmd put shell (tShellcmd) into fld results end mouseUp It all works, is very sweet And it is a *lot* faster than using transcript for the same job. *but* Only problem is: it is blocking... and this is documented behavior: The current handler pauses until the shell returns its result. If the command was successful but did not return anything, the shell function returns empty. I tried this: on mouseUp put empty into fld results send searchWebContent to me in 1 second end mouseUp on searchWebContent set the shellCommand to /bin/sh put /usr/local/bin/web_content_search.sh quote fld findString quote into tShellCmd put shell (tShellcmd) into fld results end searchWebContent That also works, but it is still blocking. Any work arounds? Goal: production environment where we want to fire off some long processes, go back to work, come back after a few minutes and pick up the results. (open and read contents, check for a string in 10,000+ index.shtml files, return results-hits) OK, so, its already super fast, by a magnitude of 20 times faster than the same dig in BBEdit, but still, in those 2 minutes I could be getting some work done. Does this go to the old problem we face with Rev being a single threaded app? (I don't know exactly what that means, but Andre keeps waving that flag! and this smells like a case in point...) Of course I can just open the terminal in OSX and run the cmd there and go back to work in Revolution, but that breaks the integration. (have to cut and paste results into Rev... to carry on) it would really be great (am i dreaming?) if Process #1 went off to get my Hot Thai Special, while I went back to work (Process # 2) and then later Process #1 rings a bell saying Lunch has arrived! i.e. background process completion notification interrupts foreground operations where interrupt is a desired behavior. ala Ghost on OSX I do a lot of in house RAD data processing apps and there's too much thumbtwiddly while waiting for results... IT rapsters singing: Files get big, bigger and bigger Directories grow, grow and grow... the busy cursors spin, spin, spin... work done in one hour goes, down, down, down... Sivakatirswami www.himalayanacademy.com Get Hinduism Today Digital Edition. It's Free! http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Shell commands are blocking -- work around?
On 11/11/06, Sivakatirswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some on our team are *nix nerds and if I need a powerdrill to add to my tool box they are, being long time masters of the unix patchwork quilt method of micro programs and pipes... more than happy to give me a little bash script. OK so, my cmd line skills are slowly improving and I can install these widgets in /usr/local/bin/some_cool_tool.sh # on my OSX box, G4 Powerbook e.g. SEARCH_PATTERN=$1 locate index.shtml | while read INDEX_FILE; do fgrep -H -i $SEARCH_PATTERN $INDEX_FILE done | more exit 0 (wow, that is s concise!) and then in Revolution set up a button: on mouseUp put empty into fld results set the shellCommand to /bin/sh put /usr/local/bin/web_content_search.sh quote fld findString quote into tShellCmd put shell (tShellcmd) into fld results end mouseUp It all works, is very sweet And it is a *lot* faster than using transcript for the same job. *but* Only problem is: it is blocking... and this is documented behavior: Here is my way around this problem. The example below is for a ping command, but I'm sure you can adapt it to your stuff. As you can see, I direct the output of the shell command to a temporary text file. The second part of the shell command containing the 21 is the relevant section. I don't understand it but it works :-) The rest of the script just loops around checking to see if there is anything in this file and then parsing the result. Since it uses wait with messages, it is non-blocking. HTH, Sarah function checkPing pIP put specialFolderPath(Desktop) /ping.txt into tFileName if there is a file tFileName then delete file tFileName put ping -c1 -npIP into tShellCmd put tFileName 21 after tShellCmd get shell(tShellCmd) put 0 into timeCheck repeat 50 times add 1 to timeCheck wait 1 tick with messages if there is a file tFileName then put URL (file: tFileName) into tRes if tRes is empty then next repeat -- file created but no result yet put wordOffset(loss, tRes) into tWord if tWord = 0 then next repeat -- file created but result not complete -- if there is a file tFileName then delete file tFileName put word tWord-2 of tRes into tPercent if tPercent = 0% then return true else return false end if end repeat if there is a file tFileName then delete file tFileName return false end checkPing ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Shell
On 10/21/06 10:33 PM, Sarah Reichelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
put #!/bin/sh cr into tScript
put pw= quote tPass quote cr after tScript
put echo $pw | sudo -S - postgres cr after tScript
put /usr/local/bin/postmaster -D /usr/local/pgsql/data -i cr after tScript
put shell(tScript) into tCheck
This is the result
sudo: '-' requires an argument
usage: sudo -K | -L | -V | -h | -k | -l | -v
usage: sudo [-HPSb] [-p prompt] [-u username|#uid]
{ -e file [...] | -i | -s | command }
postmaster cannot access the server configuration file
/usr/local/pgsql/data/postgresql.conf: Permission denied
Thanks, Hershel
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Re: Shell
Try this: put #!/bin/sh cr into tScript put pw= quote tPass quote cr after tScript put echo $pw | sudo -S - postgres cr after tScript put /usr/local/bin/postmaster -D /usr/local/pgsql/data -i cr after tScript put shell(tScript) into tCheck -- do the command get the result The tPass variable must contain your admin password. Cheers, Sarah On 10/19/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Sarah Reichelt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have never used PostgreSQL, so I don't know how you normally start it. However from the error message, it appears that you don't start it with sudo, just with a standard user's login. Can you start PostgreSQL as normal from the Terminal and post the commands you use (blanking out any password). Then we can see how that needs to be altered to work directly from Rev. One other point: the message box does not always act exactly the same as a script in an object, so for testing, I suggest you make a button and do this in a mouseUp handler. Cheers, Sarah first of all thanks for your response and sorry for the delay, accidently I posted my password and had to change it immediatly and some how my computer got locked and took a while till i got back to business plus the holidays. Ok, I open terminal, quote Hershel-Fischs-Computer:~ hershelfisch$ su - postgres Password: Hershel-Fischs-Computer:~ postgres$ /usr/local/bin/postmaster -D /usr/local/ pgsql/data -i and quote Thanks a million, Hersel Fisch LOG: database system was shut down at 2006-10-18 16:19:56 EDT LOG: checkpoint record is at 0/AD3C8C LOG: redo record is at 0/AD3C8C; undo record is at 0/0; shutdown TRUE LOG: next transaction ID: 1469; next OID: 17250 LOG: database system is ready On 10/5/06, Hershel Fisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/4/06 6:51 AM, Sarah Reichelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, this is what I put into the message box put #!/bin/sh cr into tScript put pw= quote vehachhkl quote cr after tScript put echo $pw | sudo -S /usr/local/bin/postmaster -D /usr/local/pgsql/data - i cr after tScript put shell(tScript) This is the result for the above script Password: root execution of the PostgreSQL server is not permitted. The server must be started under an unprivileged user ID to prevent possible system security compromise. See the documentation for more information on how to properly start the server. --put #!/bin/sh cr into tScript put pw= quote vehachhkl quote cr after tScript put echo $pw | sudo -S /usr/local/bin/postmaster -D /usr/local/pgsql/data - i cr after tScript put shell(tScript) And this is the result for this script, I'm wondering. 1 But it doesn't open postgres Thanks again. Hershel On 10/4/06, Hershel Fisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'd greatly appreciate if some one can help me out on this one. How do I write this command with the shell function, I would write it in terminal as follows Su - myUsr Password: And another command. Now the question is that every line above is a different entry If I put Put shell(su - myUsr) in the message box this is the result Password's: Sorry And also if I understand correctly every command with the shell function is a different terminal and does not correspond to the previous shell reply, is that true? If so how do I write that every command should correspond to the previously respond? You have to construct the shell commands as a single string and do it all at once. Here's an example of how to use sudo to set the system clock, but just put whatever you want after the -S. put #!/bin/sh cr into tScript put pw= quote tPass quote cr after tScript put echo $pw | sudo -S date tDate tTime cr after tScript -- build the command lines, the command you need to run goes after the -S put shell(tScript) into tCheck -- do the command get the result You have to quote your admin password, but you can ask for that when running the script, or store it in a custom property. HTH, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - This mail sent
Re: Shell
Quoting Sarah Reichelt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have never used PostgreSQL, so I don't know how you normally start it. However from the error message, it appears that you don't start it with sudo, just with a standard user's login. Can you start PostgreSQL as normal from the Terminal and post the commands you use (blanking out any password). Then we can see how that needs to be altered to work directly from Rev. One other point: the message box does not always act exactly the same as a script in an object, so for testing, I suggest you make a button and do this in a mouseUp handler. Cheers, Sarah first of all thanks for your response and sorry for the delay, accidently I posted my password and had to change it immediatly and some how my computer got locked and took a while till i got back to business plus the holidays. Ok, I open terminal, quote Hershel-Fischs-Computer:~ hershelfisch$ su - postgres Password: Hershel-Fischs-Computer:~ postgres$ /usr/local/bin/postmaster -D /usr/local/ pgsql/data -i and quote Thanks a million, Hersel Fisch LOG: database system was shut down at 2006-10-18 16:19:56 EDT LOG: checkpoint record is at 0/AD3C8C LOG: redo record is at 0/AD3C8C; undo record is at 0/0; shutdown TRUE LOG: next transaction ID: 1469; next OID: 17250 LOG: database system is ready On 10/5/06, Hershel Fisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/4/06 6:51 AM, Sarah Reichelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, this is what I put into the message box put #!/bin/sh cr into tScript put pw= quote vehachhkl quote cr after tScript put echo $pw | sudo -S /usr/local/bin/postmaster -D /usr/local/pgsql/data - i cr after tScript put shell(tScript) This is the result for the above script Password: root execution of the PostgreSQL server is not permitted. The server must be started under an unprivileged user ID to prevent possible system security compromise. See the documentation for more information on how to properly start the server. --put #!/bin/sh cr into tScript put pw= quote vehachhkl quote cr after tScript put echo $pw | sudo -S /usr/local/bin/postmaster -D /usr/local/pgsql/data - i cr after tScript put shell(tScript) And this is the result for this script, I'm wondering. 1 But it doesn't open postgres Thanks again. Hershel On 10/4/06, Hershel Fisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'd greatly appreciate if some one can help me out on this one. How do I write this command with the shell function, I would write it in terminal as follows Su - myUsr Password: And another command. Now the question is that every line above is a different entry If I put Put shell(su - myUsr) in the message box this is the result Password's: Sorry And also if I understand correctly every command with the shell function is a different terminal and does not correspond to the previous shell reply, is that true? If so how do I write that every command should correspond to the previously respond? You have to construct the shell commands as a single string and do it all at once. Here's an example of how to use sudo to set the system clock, but just put whatever you want after the -S. put #!/bin/sh cr into tScript put pw= quote tPass quote cr after tScript put echo $pw | sudo -S date tDate tTime cr after tScript -- build the command lines, the command you need to run goes after the -S put shell(tScript) into tCheck -- do the command get the result You have to quote your admin password, but you can ask for that when running the script, or store it in a custom property. HTH, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell vs. process
On 10/10/2006, at 6:52, Trevor DeVore wrote: On Oct 9, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Luis wrote: Any of you network gurus know if ping is possible with Rev right now using sockets? It isn't possible under a traditional UNIX system. You need to be able to open a raw socket and AFAIK Rev has no way to do it. It also requires root access. Currently you would need the help of an external or other process. Under OSX I believe there is an alternative method (never used it myself) that allows you to use a datagram socket rather than a raw one. This negates the need for root access but I still don't think Rev would give you access to this functionality. Windows may be different again - not really my area. HTH, Andrew ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On Oct 9, 2006, at 11:52 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote: Any of you network gurus know if ping is possible with Rev right now using sockets? The short answer is no. Well, sometimes things sneak into Rev when I'm not looking. Some computers have some service you can use like a ping and some are ping-like. I imagine the pinging computer might have a local service for doing pings. I don't think those count. I have blocked ping on some servers, but normally this is and should be on. I'd use shell() with the ping utility on OS X and Windows. Dar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Ok, there's my confidence in my Transcript abilities shot... :) Let me know how it goes! Cheers, Luis. Trevor DeVore wrote: On Oct 9, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Luis wrote: Hiya, ICMPd sends the data packets in either TCP or UDP over that port number, check IANA: http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers I wrote some code to assemble the data packet on Saturday so I will give it a try over TCP. I'll let you know how it goes. --Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Have you tried on another site/IP address? I usually use Cisco, they don't block pings. Cheers, Luis. Trevor DeVore wrote: On Oct 9, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Luis wrote: Hiya, ICMPd sends the data packets in either TCP or UDP over that port number, check IANA: http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers Here is the packet structure: http://www.techbooksforfree.com/intro_to_data_com/page253.html Luis, How sure are you that ping over port 5813 using TCP should work on any system setup to look for ICMP echo mmessages? I tried opening a socket to google over that port and I get a socketTimeout. open socket 66.102.7.99:5813 If I run ping from terminal (OS X) then the ping to the same address works. I can see in my traffic watcher (see below) that the protocol being used is ICMP (Protocol: 1). Any of you network gurus know if ping is possible with Rev right now using sockets? --Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Traffic Watcher Data: ICMP Echo Request packet from 10.0.1.2 to 66.102.7.99 (64 bytes) IP Header: Version: 4; Header Length: 20; TOS: 0; Packet Length: 84 Identifier: 12052; Fragment Offset: 0 Time To Live: 64; Protocol: 1; Header Checksum: 63178 ICMP Header: Type: 8; Code: 0; Checksum: 63770 Identifier: 0; Sequence Number: 12834 Data: 08 00 F9 1A 0C B3 00 00 45 2B 32 22 00 07 8F DA E+2 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 !#$%' 28 29 2A 2B 2C 2D 2E 2F 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 ()*+,-./01234567 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On Oct 10, 2006, at 1:54 AM, Luis wrote: Have you tried on another site/IP address? I usually use Cisco, they don't block pings. The IP isn't blocking pings since using ping from the OS X terminal works fine for that same IP address. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On Oct 10, 2006, at 1:24 AM, Dar Scott wrote: On Oct 9, 2006, at 11:52 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote: Any of you network gurus know if ping is possible with Rev right now using sockets? The short answer is no. Well, sometimes things sneak into Rev when I'm not looking. Bummer. Some computers have some service you can use like a ping and some are ping-like. I imagine the pinging computer might have a local service for doing pings. I don't think those count. I have blocked ping on some servers, but normally this is and should be on. I'd use shell() with the ping utility on OS X and Windows. That is what I have been using too. I just thought it would be neat to have our own little socket version. I think I am going to incorporate Sarah's method for not locking things up. That was a neat solution. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell vs. process
On Oct 8, 2006, at 10:34 AM, Luis wrote: Hiya, Ping runs over ICMP, the ICMPD to be precise (Port 5813) and insofar as I can see we can open sockets in Revolution. Only TCP and UDP protocols. There doesn't seem to be a way to specify ICMP. I've been meaning to file a feature request for this but haven't done so yet. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell vs. process
ICMPd is the daemon ('shell app') that runs the request over that
port. It would be a case of recreating the ICMPd functionality in
Rev, all it's doing is sending specifically formed packets over that
port that servers/routers/etc running their own ICMPd will respond to.
It's a small app. If anyone else is interested then I might have a
look at the code (should be able to get a hold of the C/C++ source
code) and attempt to translate it to Transcript. Not too sure how
tight I can get the timings, but it should be accurate enough.
Cheers,
Luis.
On 9 Oct 2006, at 17:42, Trevor DeVore wrote:
On Oct 8, 2006, at 10:34 AM, Luis wrote:
Hiya,
Ping runs over ICMP, the ICMPD to be precise (Port 5813) and
insofar as I can see we can open
sockets in Revolution.
Only TCP and UDP protocols. There doesn't seem to be a way to
specify ICMP. I've been meaning to file a feature request for this
but haven't done so yet.
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On Oct 9, 2006, at 3:37 PM, Luis wrote:
ICMPd is the daemon ('shell app') that runs the request over that
port. It would be a case of recreating the ICMPd functionality in
Rev, all it's doing is sending specifically formed packets over
that port that servers/routers/etc running their own ICMPd will
respond to.
It's a small app. If anyone else is interested then I might have a
look at the code (should be able to get a hold of the C/C++ source
code) and attempt to translate it to Transcript. Not too sure how
tight I can get the timings, but it should be accurate enough.
Luis,
I'm no expert in this area and I would love to learn that you can
write your own ping utility in Rev. I researched this a few days ago
in an attempt to do so. Creating the actual ICMP echo request
message isn't a big deal in Rev. I *think* the problem you would
have is when that message gets wrapped up in the IP Datagram
structure which I believe Rev does when you write to a socket. The
docs say that Rev's open socket command only uses TCP and UDP so
there doesn't seem to be a way to send data over a socket that
identifies itself as the ICMP protocol. I would think that ping
daemons would only watch for traffic that was send using the ICMP
protocol but I don't know.
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Re: shell vs. process
Hiya,
ICMPd sends the data packets in either TCP or UDP over that port
number, check IANA: http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers
Here is the packet structure: http://www.techbooksforfree.com/
intro_to_data_com/page253.html
Hope that helps!
Cheers,
Luis.
On 10 Oct 2006, at 0:10, Trevor DeVore wrote:
On Oct 9, 2006, at 3:37 PM, Luis wrote:
ICMPd is the daemon ('shell app') that runs the request over that
port. It would be a case of recreating the ICMPd functionality in
Rev, all it's doing is sending specifically formed packets over
that port that servers/routers/etc running their own ICMPd will
respond to.
It's a small app. If anyone else is interested then I might have a
look at the code (should be able to get a hold of the C/C++ source
code) and attempt to translate it to Transcript. Not too sure how
tight I can get the timings, but it should be accurate enough.
Luis,
I'm no expert in this area and I would love to learn that you can
write your own ping utility in Rev. I researched this a few days
ago in an attempt to do so. Creating the actual ICMP echo request
message isn't a big deal in Rev. I *think* the problem you would
have is when that message gets wrapped up in the IP Datagram
structure which I believe Rev does when you write to a socket. The
docs say that Rev's open socket command only uses TCP and UDP
so there doesn't seem to be a way to send data over a socket that
identifies itself as the ICMP protocol. I would think that ping
daemons would only watch for traffic that was send using the ICMP
protocol but I don't know.
--
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Re: shell vs. process
On Oct 9, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Luis wrote: Hiya, ICMPd sends the data packets in either TCP or UDP over that port number, check IANA: http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers I wrote some code to assemble the data packet on Saturday so I will give it a try over TCP. I'll let you know how it goes. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell vs. process
On Oct 9, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Luis wrote: Hiya, ICMPd sends the data packets in either TCP or UDP over that port number, check IANA: http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers Here is the packet structure: http://www.techbooksforfree.com/ intro_to_data_com/page253.html Luis, How sure are you that ping over port 5813 using TCP should work on any system setup to look for ICMP echo mmessages? I tried opening a socket to google over that port and I get a socketTimeout. open socket 66.102.7.99:5813 If I run ping from terminal (OS X) then the ping to the same address works. I can see in my traffic watcher (see below) that the protocol being used is ICMP (Protocol: 1). Any of you network gurus know if ping is possible with Rev right now using sockets? -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Traffic Watcher Data: ICMP Echo Request packet from 10.0.1.2 to 66.102.7.99 (64 bytes) IP Header: Version: 4; Header Length: 20; TOS: 0; Packet Length: 84 Identifier: 12052; Fragment Offset: 0 Time To Live: 64; Protocol: 1; Header Checksum: 63178 ICMP Header: Type: 8; Code: 0; Checksum: 63770 Identifier: 0; Sequence Number: 12834 Data: 08 00 F9 1A 0C B3 00 00 45 2B 32 22 00 07 8F DA E+2 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 !#$%' 28 29 2A 2B 2C 2D 2E 2F 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 ()*+,-./01234567 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell vs. process
Hiya, Ping runs over ICMP, the ICMPD to be precise (Port 5813) and insofar as I can see we can open sockets in Revolution. It should be a case of creating a data packet and sending it through (the Echo Request) to the IP address you're Pinging to and listening for the 'Echo Reply' (which should be identical to the initial Echo Request). The Echo Request follows a specific format (four 32bit packets?) so you'd need to recreate that. I haven't looked through the binary tools in Revolution, so I'm not too sure how this would be strung together. If you're Pinging an 'address' (by which I mean the human readable form of the IP address) then you'd need to get that translated into the IP address for the packet send. Another way round: If you want to 'Ping' a specific IP address (which doesn't change AND you have access to the server) you could create a small Revolution app for the other end (the server end) that will respond to your 'Ping' request form your 'client' app (essentially, you're recreating a two-way only Ping system with the Revolution sockets at your disposal) so you needn't rely on shell/system calls. Or: Use 'get URL' (or 'put URL') in Rev with a web address that exits - If there's no data then either the site is down or the line is not up. I know it's not exactly 'shell vs process' related, but I thought it might help with avoiding a shell call just to check the line (via Ping). Cheers, Luis. Sarah Reichelt wrote: In Revolution, which function is better for calling a long-running external process and reading data from the process in a non-blocking format, for instance, streaming the output from tcpdump into a text display? Looking at the docs, it appears that process is what I want, but I saw something that says that open process on OS X is only useful for launching applications...not launching background command-line processes and reading their output to stdout as one would expect to do on a Unix-style platform. Since I am targeting OS X, I need to know how others handle this. Getting to this thread a bit late, but here is how I do a ping without blocking anything else. It is very quick if the ping is successful, but it's the failure delay that has to be allowed for. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 05/10/2006, at 22:50, Mark Wieder wrote: Hey! That's cheating! Darn - here I thought you had an example of how to ping using sockets... You need raw sockets for that (at least under UNIX like OSs) and I don't think there is a built in way to open a raw socket from Revolution. Andrew ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Sarah- Wednesday, October 4, 2006, 6:05:47 PM, you wrote: Getting to this thread a bit late, but here is how I do a ping without blocking anything else. It is very quick if the ping is successful, but it's the failure delay that has to be allowed for. Hey! That's cheating! Darn - here I thought you had an example of how to ping using sockets... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Shell
On 10/4/06, Hershel Fisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'd greatly appreciate if some one can help me out on this one. How do I write this command with the shell function, I would write it in terminal as follows Su - myUsr Password: And another command. Now the question is that every line above is a different entry If I put Put shell(su - myUsr) in the message box this is the result Password's: Sorry And also if I understand correctly every command with the shell function is a different terminal and does not correspond to the previous shell reply, is that true? If so how do I write that every command should correspond to the previously respond? You have to construct the shell commands as a single string and do it all at once. Here's an example of how to use sudo to set the system clock, but just put whatever you want after the -S. put #!/bin/sh cr into tScript put pw= quote tPass quote cr after tScript put echo $pw | sudo -S date tDate tTime cr after tScript -- build the command lines, the command you need to run goes after the -S put shell(tScript) into tCheck -- do the command get the result You have to quote your admin password, but you can ask for that when running the script, or store it in a custom property. HTH, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 10/4/06 6:51 AM, Sarah Reichelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, this is what I put into the message box put #!/bin/sh cr into tScript put pw= quote vehachhkl quote cr after tScript put echo $pw | sudo -S /usr/local/bin/postmaster -D /usr/local/pgsql/data - i cr after tScript put shell(tScript) This is the result for the above script Password: root execution of the PostgreSQL server is not permitted. The server must be started under an unprivileged user ID to prevent possible system security compromise. See the documentation for more information on how to properly start the server. --put #!/bin/sh cr into tScript put pw= quote vehachhkl quote cr after tScript put echo $pw | sudo -S /usr/local/bin/postmaster -D /usr/local/pgsql/data - i cr after tScript put shell(tScript) And this is the result for this script, I'm wondering. 1 But it doesn't open postgres Thanks again. Hershel On 10/4/06, Hershel Fisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'd greatly appreciate if some one can help me out on this one. How do I write this command with the shell function, I would write it in terminal as follows Su - myUsr Password: And another command. Now the question is that every line above is a different entry If I put Put shell(su - myUsr) in the message box this is the result Password's: Sorry And also if I understand correctly every command with the shell function is a different terminal and does not correspond to the previous shell reply, is that true? If so how do I write that every command should correspond to the previously respond? You have to construct the shell commands as a single string and do it all at once. Here's an example of how to use sudo to set the system clock, but just put whatever you want after the -S. put #!/bin/sh cr into tScript put pw= quote tPass quote cr after tScript put echo $pw | sudo -S date tDate tTime cr after tScript -- build the command lines, the command you need to run goes after the -S put shell(tScript) into tCheck -- do the command get the result You have to quote your admin password, but you can ask for that when running the script, or store it in a custom property. HTH, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
