Re: OT fine musical instruments. WAS progress bars

[Klaus Major]

Hi Mark,

I well remember, in the early/mid-eighties, attending a  
demonstration of the 'indestructible' Status Bass (also carbon  
graphite/fibre, whatever) at the Bass Centre in London. To  
demonstrate the strength of the instrument, the guy from Status  
laid the bass across two chairs and then jumped on the middle, if  
you see what I mean. Needless to say, the damn thing broke in two,  
much to the huge amusement of all present, including the demonstator.


LOL :-D

Great story :-)

But i saw the first appearance of the Steinbergerbasses on the Frankfurt
(germany) music fair a long time ago (1976?), where this experiment  
really worked!


Same setup, 2 chairs etc... and the promoter really stood on that bass
for a couple of minutes and you only had to re-tune the E string a  
bit after

that "stunt".

Looks like Mr. Steinberger has a "secret formula" for his home brewn
carbon graphite stuff ;-)


I never did see the necessity for instruments to be indestructible,


Actually, it is NOT necessary, but it is ;-)

and I've stuck with wooden basses ever since, and they're even  
flammable. :)


Hihi, regards to Jimi H. :-)


Mark

On 3 Jun 2005, at 15:08, Klaus Major wrote:



Although this "headless" design may have been invented by Mr. Ned
Steinberger,
this is a 6-string frettless bass-guitar made by a german company
called "Clover".


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Re: OT fine musical instruments. WAS progress bars

[Mark Smith]

I well remember, in the early/mid-eighties, attending a demonstration 
of the 'indestructible' Status Bass (also carbon graphite/fibre, 
whatever) at the Bass Centre in London. To demonstrate the strength of 
the instrument, the guy from Status laid the bass across two chairs and 
then jumped on the middle, if you see what I mean. Needless to say, the 
damn thing broke in two, much to the huge amusement of all present, 
including the demonstator.


I never did see the necessity for instruments to be indestructible, and 
I've stuck with wooden basses ever since, and they're even flammable. 
:)


Mark

On 3 Jun 2005, at 15:08, Klaus Major wrote:


Although this "headless" design may have been invented by Mr. Ned
Steinberger,
this is a 6-string frettless bass-guitar made by a german company
called "Clover".


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Re: OT fine musical instruments. WAS progress bars

[Mark Wieder]

Klaus-

Friday, June 3, 2005, 5:32:37 AM, you wrote:

KM> this is a 6-string frettless bass-guitar made by a german company
KM> called "Clover".

I have a very hard time getting used to even *5*-string basses. The
additional freedom afforded by the extra string starts imprinting new
possibilities for playing lines in my head. Then when I switch to my
upright my brain gets stuck because I have to rethink those lines.
After borrowing a friend's 5-string for a gig a while back I made the
decision a long time ago to stop at four.

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Re: OT fine musical instruments. WAS progress bars

[Jon]

Klaus:

Check out these URLs.  I also have a GL

www.jonbondy.com/lacewood1.jpg - custom home-made lacewood guitar with 
graphite (Moses) neck, TransTrem, and Roland GK-2A pickup


www.jonbondy.com/lacewood2.jpg - custom home-made lacewood guitar with 
Moses neck, custom home-made hard tail bridge, and Ghost piezo pickups


End of guitar rant

:)

Jon


Klaus Major wrote:


Hi Jon,


So, Klaus: do you play a Steinberger guitar?



Mon dieux, un connaisseur :-)

Although this "headless" design may have been invented by Mr. Ned  
Steinberger,
this is a 6-string frettless bass-guitar made by a german company  
called "Clover".


Like the "original" it is made of carbon graphite*, which makes it  
almost indestructible

and gives it a very clean "hi-fi" sound.

And it now serves me VERY well for over 16 years :-)

My guitar, (don't have a photo unfortunately) is a Gibson L5 (a very  
fine and VERY
expensive hollowbody jazz guitar) replica from "Aria", a japanese  
company, and

has a beautiful sunburst finish.

And that is almost 30 years old :-)


:)

Jon



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Re: OT fine musical instruments. WAS progress bars

[Klaus Major]

Hi Jon,


So, Klaus: do you play a Steinberger guitar?


Mon dieux, un connaisseur :-)

Although this "headless" design may have been invented by Mr. Ned  
Steinberger,
this is a 6-string frettless bass-guitar made by a german company  
called "Clover".


Like the "original" it is made of carbon graphite*, which makes it  
almost indestructible

and gives it a very clean "hi-fi" sound.

And it now serves me VERY well for over 16 years :-)

My guitar, (don't have a photo unfortunately) is a Gibson L5 (a very  
fine and VERY
expensive hollowbody jazz guitar) replica from "Aria", a japanese  
company, and

has a beautiful sunburst finish.

And that is almost 30 years old :-)


:)

Jon


Best from germany

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Re: progress bars

[Jon]

So, Klaus: do you play a Steinberger guitar?

:)

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Re: progress bars

[Klaus Major]

Hi Jon,

I can't find any documentation on Progress Bars.  I figure they are  
some kind of Scroll Bar, but the specific properties of a Progress  
Bar do not seem to be documented.  When I use terms like StartValue  
and EndValue, they become red, so they must be OK, but when I use  
the term CurrentValue, it is not red, so it must be wrong.  I have  
no idea what the correct property might be.


go here:

http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences/

and download my stack about controls.

There is a section about scrollbars, which isn't too bad ;-)


Jon


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Re: progress bars

[Jeanne A. E. DeVoto]

At 3:19 PM -0400 6/2/2005, Jon wrote:
I can't find any documentation on Progress Bars.  I figure they are 
some kind of Scroll Bar, but the specific properties of a Progress 
Bar do not seem to be documented.  When I use terms like StartValue 
and EndValue, they become red, so they must be OK, but when I use 
the term CurrentValue, it is not red, so it must be wrong.  I have 
no idea what the correct property might be.


Progress bars are scrollbars whose style property is set to "progress".

You set a scrollbar's current position with the thumbPosition. So for 
example if you want a progress bar with 100 increments, and you want 
to set it to show the task is half done, you'd do


  set the startValue of scrollbar "Progress" to zero
  set the endValue of scrollbar "Progress" to 100
  set the thumbPosition of scrollbar "Progress" to 50
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Re: progress bars

[Dennis Brown]

Jon,

Yes it is a scrollbar.  You are looking for the thumbPosition.   
Download the Properties of Objects stack from my user area in  
revOnline (see3d) for an easy index into the dictionary.


Dennis

On Jun 2, 2005, at 3:19 PM, Jon wrote:

I can't find any documentation on Progress Bars.  I figure they are  
some kind of Scroll Bar, but the specific properties of a Progress  
Bar do not seem to be documented.  When I use terms like StartValue  
and EndValue, they become red, so they must be OK, but when I use  
the term CurrentValue, it is not red, so it must be wrong.  I have  
no idea what the correct property might be.


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progress bars

[Jon]

I can't find any documentation on Progress Bars.  I figure they are some 
kind of Scroll Bar, but the specific properties of a Progress Bar do not 
seem to be documented.  When I use terms like StartValue and EndValue, 
they become red, so they must be OK, but when I use the term 
CurrentValue, it is not red, so it must be wrong.  I have no idea what 
the correct property might be.


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Re: Progress bars

[Bill]

So I can try to find some result that is sent after the stack loads and the
database query is finished and do something like:

1. On open database stack show animated barber pole icon
2. When database query finished hide barber pole icon

It really would be better if there was a progress bar but at least the
barber pole icon would let the user know that there wasn't a crash.

Should I vote for:





On 3/13/05 1:54 AM, "J. Landman Gay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 3/12/05 11:37 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> In general, when a progress bar is displayed for an activity comprised
>> of an unknown number of steps, the OS uses a different appearance for
>> the scrollbar to indicate that. On Mac OS, for example, it uses what
>> they call a "barber poll" effect.
>> 
>> Rev doesn't currently have this built in so I just filed a request for
>> it, to allow a new token of "unknown" to be used for the endValue of a
>> scrollbar of style "progress" to indicate that it should use the OS'
>> method of drawing a progress bar of an unknown number of steps:
>> 
>> 
> 
> That would be handy. Until that happens though, we can use one the five
> built-in barber pole animated icons. Just assign one of them to a button.

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Re: Progress bars - length of time loading query builder stacks

[Bill]

I can't post the code causing the delay because it is built into RunRev. It
is the database query builder loading that takes so long (12 seconds if you
include opening the file and 4 seconds for a refresh -- so I guess the
loading of a new stack that has the query builder functions in it is the
problem).

Can anyone else using query builder tell me how long it takes to open their
stacks? I notice that opening a non-query builder stack only takes about 3
seconds.

On 3/13/05 1:37 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> MySQL has a good reputation for being optimized for performance, so it
> seems reasonable that one should be able to do most queries to a MySQL
> database in under 10 seconds.  Perhaps if you can post the portion of
> code causing the delay someone here may be able to help trim the wait time

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Resoonse times (was Re: Progress bars)

[Richard Gaskin]

Richard Gaskin wrote:
In your case it may be possible to shorten the connection time so that 
simply displaying something like "Connecting to database..." with a 
watch cursor will buy you the patience needed from your user to complete 
the connection without frustration.

Some studies suggest that the threshold of such patience is around 10 
seconds - from :
I just found a slightly better article from UseIt.com which contains 
more detailed info on response times for applications:

The basic advice regarding response times has been about
the same for almost thirty years [Miller 1968; Card et
al. 1991]:
* 0.1 second is about the limit for having the user
  feel that the system is reacting instantaneously,
  meaning that no special feedback is necessary
  except to display the result.
* 1.0 second is about the limit for the user's flow
  of thought to stay uninterrupted, even though the
  user will notice the delay. Normally, no special
  feedback is necessary during delays of more than
  0.1 but less than 1.0 second, but the user does
  lose the feeling of operating directly on the data.
* 10 seconds is about the limit for keeping the user's
  attention focused on the dialogue. For longer delays,
  users will want to perform other tasks while waiting
  for the computer to finish, so they should be given
  feedback indicating when the computer expects to be
  done. Feedback during the delay is especially
  important if the response time is likely to be
  highly variable, since users will then not know
  what to expect.

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Re: Progress bars

[J. Landman Gay]

On 3/12/05 11:37 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
In general, when a progress bar is displayed for an activity comprised 
of an unknown number of steps, the OS uses a different appearance for 
the scrollbar to indicate that. On Mac OS, for example, it uses what 
they call a "barber poll" effect.

Rev doesn't currently have this built in so I just filed a request for 
it, to allow a new token of "unknown" to be used for the endValue of a 
scrollbar of style "progress" to indicate that it should use the OS' 
method of drawing a progress bar of an unknown number of steps:


That would be handy. Until that happens though, we can use one the five 
built-in barber pole animated icons. Just assign one of them to a button.

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Re: Progress bars

[Richard Gaskin]

Bill wrote:
That is such a nice explanation and example for a progress bar. I wish the
text files I imported were big enough so I could use it. The only thing that
takes a long time in my stacks is opening them when the MySql is first
accessing and whenever you refresh the MySql connection.
Do you have any idea how to get some numbers from that lengthy MySQL process
so that I can use your progress bar code for that because it sometimes looks
like the program has crashed when it is doing the MySQL load.
That sounds like a problem with the connection.  Hopefully one of the 
other folks here who've worked through MySQL anomalies may be able to 
shorten the connection time.

In general, when a progress bar is displayed for an activity comprised 
of an unknown number of steps, the OS uses a different appearance for 
the scrollbar to indicate that. On Mac OS, for example, it uses what 
they call a "barber poll" effect.

Rev doesn't currently have this built in so I just filed a request for 
it, to allow a new token of "unknown" to be used for the endValue of a 
scrollbar of style "progress" to indicate that it should use the OS' 
method of drawing a progress bar of an unknown number of steps:


In your case it may be possible to shorten the connection time so that 
simply displaying something like "Connecting to database..." with a 
watch cursor will buy you the patience needed from your user to complete 
the connection without frustration.

Some studies suggest that the threshold of such patience is around 10 
seconds - from :

  Currently, the minimum goal for response times
  should therefore be to get pages to users in no
  more than ten seconds, since that's the limit
  of people's ability to keep their attention
  focused while waiting.
MySQL has a good reputation for being optimized for performance, so it 
seems reasonable that one should be able to do most queries to a MySQL 
database in under 10 seconds.  Perhaps if you can post the portion of 
code causing the delay someone here may be able to help trim the wait time.

PS:  If the UseIt.com link seems a good read to you, you might enjoy 
some of the other usability links on the right side of my Resources page:


I'm particularly fond of the articles at UIE.com.
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Re: Progress bars

[Bill]

That is such a nice explanation and example for a progress bar. I wish the
text files I imported were big enough so I could use it. The only thing that
takes a long time in my stacks is opening them when the MySql is first
accessing and whenever you refresh the MySql connection.

Do you have any idea how to get some numbers from that lengthy MySQL process
so that I can use your progress bar code for that because it sometimes looks
like the program has crashed when it is doing the MySQL load.


On 3/12/05 6:46 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Lars Brehmer wrote:
>> I can't seem to find a tutorial or any layman's explanations on putting
>> a simple progress bar into my stacks.  I have a stack that imports text
>> data and creates the cards to store it on.  If the file is large, it
>> takes a while, so I'd like to build in a progress bars (on a separate
>> subStack?) to give an idea how long the task will take.  Where does it
>> go and how do you set it up? A tutorial or a sample stack that has one
>> would be terrific! Can anyone help me out here?
> 
> A MINI-TUTORIAL ON PROGRESS BARS
> 
> 
> Rev includes a flexible object type called "scrollbar" which serves as
> standard scrollbars and also sliders and progress bars as well.
> 
> The three most relevant properties for use as a progress bar are:
> 
> - thumbPos: the position of the indicator
> - startValue: the beginning of the progress range
> - endValue: the end of the progress range
> 
> Check out the discussion of those entries in the Transcript Dictionary.
> 
> It's handy to use the abbreviated form of "scrollbar", which is simply "sb".
> 
> You could set up a progress bar in your text processing script like this:
> 
> 
> on ProcessFile
>-- Get file data:
>answer file "Select a file:"
>if it is empty then exit to top
>put url ("file:"&it) into tData
>put the number of lines of tData into tNumLines
>--
>-- Setup progress bar:
>set the startValue of sb "progress" to 0
>set the endValue of sb "progress" to tNumLines
>set the thumbpos of sb "progress" to 0
>show sb "progress"
>--
>-- process the text in a loop:
>put 0 into i
>repeat for each line tLine in tData
>  add 1 to i
>  set the thumbPos of sb "progress" to i
>  --
>  DoSomethingWith tLine
>end repeat
>--
>hide sb "progress"
> end ProcessFile
> 
> 
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Re: Progress bars

[Richard Gaskin]

Lars Brehmer wrote:
I can't seem to find a tutorial or any layman's explanations on putting 
a simple progress bar into my stacks.  I have a stack that imports text 
data and creates the cards to store it on.  If the file is large, it 
takes a while, so I'd like to build in a progress bars (on a separate 
subStack?) to give an idea how long the task will take.  Where does it 
go and how do you set it up? A tutorial or a sample stack that has one 
would be terrific! Can anyone help me out here?
A MINI-TUTORIAL ON PROGRESS BARS

Rev includes a flexible object type called "scrollbar" which serves as 
standard scrollbars and also sliders and progress bars as well.

The three most relevant properties for use as a progress bar are:
- thumbPos: the position of the indicator
- startValue: the beginning of the progress range
- endValue: the end of the progress range
Check out the discussion of those entries in the Transcript Dictionary.
It's handy to use the abbreviated form of "scrollbar", which is simply "sb".
You could set up a progress bar in your text processing script like this:
on ProcessFile
  -- Get file data:
  answer file "Select a file:"
  if it is empty then exit to top
  put url ("file:"&it) into tData
  put the number of lines of tData into tNumLines
  --
  -- Setup progress bar:
  set the startValue of sb "progress" to 0
  set the endValue of sb "progress" to tNumLines
  set the thumbpos of sb "progress" to 0
  show sb "progress"
  --
  -- process the text in a loop:
  put 0 into i
  repeat for each line tLine in tData
add 1 to i
set the thumbPos of sb "progress" to i
--
DoSomethingWith tLine
  end repeat
  --
  hide sb "progress"
end ProcessFile

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Progress bars

[Lars Brehmer]

Hi listers!
I can't seem to find a tutorial or any layman's explanations on putting 
a simple progress bar into my stacks.  I have a stack that imports text 
data and creates the cards to store it on.  If the file is large, it 
takes a while, so I'd like to build in a progress bars (on a separate 
subStack?) to give an idea how long the task will take.  Where does it 
go and how do you set it up? A tutorial or a sample stack that has one 
would be terrific! Can anyone help me out here?

Cheers!
Lars
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Re: Appearance of progress bars/sliders

[Jeanne A. E. DeVoto]

At 2:18 PM -0800 11/29/02, Mark Swindell wrote:
>Is it possible to override the default appearance of progress bars?

It depends on exactly what you want to do. If you're using a lookAndFeel
other than "Appearance Manager", you can change the colors. To change other
aspects of the appearance away from the standard for the current platform,
you'll need to roll your own and script the behaviors.

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Klaus's banana (was Progress bars/Sliders...)

[Mark Swindell]

on 11/30/02 3:10 AM, Malte Brill at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hey Mark,
> 
> perhaps you might want to take a look at the user contribution "fun with
> fields" by Klaus Major. He did a custom scrollbar there on card 4. (with a
> little banana as a thumb.)
> 
> My excuses to the list for the nearly unreadable script in my previous post
> to this topic. 


Thanks for your help, Malte.  Klaus's banana script is pretty much what I
was looking for.  But moreover, his whole stack is a a sketch of what could
be for Revolution, and still isn't (or if it is, I haven't found it).

It'd be a fantastic learning and resource tool for all of us mortals if an
assemblage of the folks from the mountain contributed a card or two or five
of tricks and hints and possibilities like this to a single learning stack
similar to Klaus's but in a much grander scale, with commented scripts and
variations on the the themes involved. (For example, the banana on Klaus's
card scrolls a field, but other examples with different fruits or glowing
balls of energy sliding on laser rails could do other sliderly things... set
volumes, speed of slide shows, continuously output data to fields etc.)
Klaus's illustration of how the mousetext, mousechar, mousechunk works is
the best I've seen for the novice trying to make sense of it all, but it
needn't stop there.

Combine this effort with the support of some expert, tasteful graphic
artists to really make the stack look sharp and annihilate the cheese factor
(the real reason HyperCard never took off, I still believe), and you'd have
a hall of wonder and a great place to usher new  users into the potential
and reality of Revolution, and a great place for us intermediates to
continue to grow.  

I understand that this is at least partially the point of the user
contributions section of the runrev site, but having a single dedicated
"encyclopedia" library of resources included with the demo app, with
multiple illustrations of technique and function, would be hard to beat.

Ramblingly yours,
Mark

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Re: Appearance of progress bars/sliders

[Rob Cozens]

Thanks for the suggestion, but I see no such option, and the colors palette
has no effect on the graphic used.


Sorry Mark,

You must be running v1.1.1.  The Object Appearance menuItem was 
introduced in v1.5.A7.

Anyway, I tried changing every option in the color palette, with no 
success.  The only way I could change the bar's appearance was to 
change the look & feel to a different platform.
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Appearance of progress bars/sliders

[Malte Brill]

Hey Mark,

perhaps you might want to take a look at the user contribution "fun with
fields" by Klaus Major. He did a custom scrollbar there on card 4. (with a
little banana as a thumb.)

My excuses to the list for the nearly unreadable script in my previous post
to this topic. 

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Appearance of progress bars/sliders

[Malte Brill]

Hi Mark,

perhaps I can give you a leg up.

I tried the following:

Created a stack, one card 1 button, a proress bar called "scale", a graphic
called "box".

in the cardscript:

global flag
on opencard
  put 1 into flag
end opencard 

In the buttonscript:

global flag,ratio
on mouseUp
  put the width of scrollbar "scale"/the endvalue of scrollbar"scale" into
ratio
  put flag*-1 into flag
  send los to me
end mouseUp
on los
  set the thumbposition of scrollbar "scale" to the thumbposition of
scrollbar "scale"+1
  if the thumbposition of scrollbar "scale"=the endvalue of scrollbar
"scale" then set the thumbposition of scrollbar "scale" to 0
  if flag=-1 then
  send los to me in 5 ticks
  send los to graphic "box" in 5 ticks
  end if
end los

in the graphicscript:

global ratio
on los
  set the rectangle of me to 0,50,the thumbposition of scrollbar
"scale"*ratio,70
end los


Hope that helps,

Malte

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Re: Appearance of progress bars/sliders

[Mark Swindell]

on 11/29/02 4:29 PM, Rob Cozens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> Is it possible to override the default appearance of progress bars?
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> I have not tried it yet; but if I were to do so, I would start by
> clicking on a progress bar in the development mode and select "Object
> Appearance" from the object menu.  Try changing some settings and see
> what you get.


Thanks for the suggestion, but I see no such option, and the colors palette
has no effect on the graphic used.  So it appears to be a standard locked
graphic residing somewhere.

I have the slider behaving (mostly) as I want it to, but would like to
customize its appearance to go with the rest of the environment.  If that's
not possible it's ok, but it would be nice to have the option of easily
changing between a few options, or supplying my own.

Nark

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Re: Sliders/progress bars templates?

[Rob Cozens]

Is there a Revolution (or SC?) library anywhere which contains a collection
nice-looking pre-fabbed sliders and progress bars?


Hello Mark,

I doubt SC progress bars would work with RunRev; but I have not tried 
it.  In RunRev a progress bar is a special instance of the horizontal 
scrollbar.  To create a progress bar select "New Control" & "Progress 
Bar" from the development UI.

As for scripting a progress bar, here's a portion of a handler I 
posted in August.  I've prefixed each statement pertinent to the 
progress bar with "}"

  if backingUp then
put "binfile:"&(the text of button "Destination Title") into backupFileName
set the label of stack "Backup Progress" to 
sdbMessage(sdbBackupInProgressLabel)
put (field "File Index" of card 2 of stack 
sdbStackName)&recordDelimiter into backupData
}put the number of cards of stack sdbStackName into lastRecord
}put lastRecord-3 into recordCount
}set the thumbPosition of scrollBar "Progress Scrollbar" to 0
}set the endvalue of scrollBar "Progress Scrollbar" to recordCount
}show scrollBar "Progress Scrollbar"
}put 0 into recordsProcessed
}put round(recordCount/(the width of scrollBar "Progress 
Scrollbar")) into progressInterval
}put max(1,progressInterval) into progressInterval
repeat with x=4 to lastRecord
  set cursor to busy
  put field "Record Type" of card x of stack sdbFileName into theType
  put field "Record Key" of card x of stack sdbFileName into theKey
  put field "Record" of card x of stack sdbFileName into theRecord
  put theType&&theKey&return&theRecord&recordDelimiter after backupData
}  add 1 to recordsProcessed
}  if (recordsProcessed mod progressInterval)=0 then set the 
thumbPosition of scrollBar "Progress Scrollbar" to recordsProcessed
end repeat
}set the thumbPosition of scrollBar "Progress Scrollbar" to 
recordCount -- yes, recordCount
  else

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Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)
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Sliders/progress bars templates?

[Mark Swindell]

Is there a Revolution (or SC?) library anywhere which contains a collection
nice-looking pre-fabbed sliders and progress bars?  I saw a couple that did
interesting things on thee user projects section of the web site, but I'm
wondering if there might be a set of templates out there?

Thanks,
Mark

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Re: Vertical or horizontal progress bars

[Ken Norris (dialup)]

on 7/9/02 12:24 AM, Geoff Canyon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Speaking as someone who's been around awhile, the probability is low. This has
> been a documented issue (it's in the readme) for a lng time. I don't know
> whether there is a technical issue underlying it -- does the toolbox support
> vertical progress bars? -- or if it's just that no one asks for it.
------
Howcum we need vertical progress bars anywho? I've actually never seen a
vertical progress bar, but I bet you could make some really cute ones. For a
barometer or a thermometer, maybe?

Just curious...

G'nite all,
Ken N.

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RE: Vertical or horizontal progress bars

[Geoff Canyon]

At 9:02 AM -1000 7/8/02, Ro Nagey wrote:
>Thanks, Ken. I hope this gets fixed in a future release.

Speaking as someone who's been around awhile, the probability is low. This has been a 
documented issue (it's in the readme) for a lng time. I don't know whether there 
is a technical issue underlying it -- does the toolbox support vertical progress bars? 
-- or if it's just that no one asks for it.
-- 

regards,

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RE: Vertical or horizontal progress bars

[Ro Nagey]

Thanks, Ken. I hope this gets fixed in a future release.

I've written my own version to meet my immediate needs- very quick and
dirty. I may write up something more formal as I also want to change the
color of the "thumb" [or whatever you call it when it's a progress bar] on
the fly.

Ro



> You can't have a vertical progress bar. The only thing you can have is a
> vertical scroll bar or scale (neither of which "fill up").
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ro Nagey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 3:43 AM
> Subject: Vertical or horizontal progress bars
>
>
> > Weird behavior...I have a horizontal progress bar. It works fine.
> >
> > I copy it, rename it, set it to being a vertical scrollbar. Amazingly
> > enough, no matter what I set the thumbpos to, it doesn't fill up the
> > progress bar.
> >
> > What incredibly stupid thing am I doing?
> >
> > Ro Nagey
> > Royal Software, Inc.
> >
>

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Re: Vertical or horizontal progress bars

[Ken Norris (dialup)]

on 7/8/02 10:51 AM, Ken Ray at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Actually, let me be more clear. You CAN have what appears to be a vertical
> progress bar, but it is useless. What you actually get is a horizontal
> progress bar that is tall and skinny. Due to this, it can be drawn in two
> states: no progress or full (because the thumb is huge and when it is
> displayed it takes up the whole width of the skinny bar).
--
'Course you can always roll your own. Might be more fun anyway. I haven't
tried it yet, but it might make a cool 'small project' for to learn on.

Best regards,
Ken N.

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Re: Vertical or horizontal progress bars

[Ken Ray]

Actually, let me be more clear. You CAN have what appears to be a vertical
progress bar, but it is useless. What you actually get is a horizontal
progress bar that is tall and skinny. Due to this, it can be drawn in two
states: no progress or full (because the thumb is huge and when it is
displayed it takes up the whole width of the skinny bar).

Hope that is more clear,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


- Original Message -
From: "Ken Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: Vertical or horizontal progress bars


> Ro,
>
> You can't have a vertical progress bar. The only thing you can have is a
> vertical scroll bar or scale (neither of which "fill up").
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ro Nagey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 3:43 AM
> Subject: Vertical or horizontal progress bars
>
>
> > Weird behavior...I have a horizontal progress bar. It works fine.
> >
> > I copy it, rename it, set it to being a vertical scrollbar. Amazingly
> > enough, no matter what I set the thumbpos to, it doesn't fill up the
> > progress bar.
> >
> > What incredibly stupid thing am I doing?
> >
> > Ro Nagey
> > Royal Software, Inc.
> >
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Re: Vertical or horizontal progress bars

[Ken Ray]

Ro,

You can't have a vertical progress bar. The only thing you can have is a
vertical scroll bar or scale (neither of which "fill up").

Hope this helps,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


- Original Message -
From: "Ro Nagey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 3:43 AM
Subject: Vertical or horizontal progress bars


> Weird behavior...I have a horizontal progress bar. It works fine.
>
> I copy it, rename it, set it to being a vertical scrollbar. Amazingly
> enough, no matter what I set the thumbpos to, it doesn't fill up the
> progress bar.
>
> What incredibly stupid thing am I doing?
>
> Ro Nagey
> Royal Software, Inc.
>
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Vertical or horizontal progress bars

[Ro Nagey]

Weird behavior...I have a horizontal progress bar. It works fine.

I copy it, rename it, set it to being a vertical scrollbar. Amazingly
enough, no matter what I set the thumbpos to, it doesn't fill up the
progress bar.

What incredibly stupid thing am I doing?

Ro Nagey
Royal Software, Inc.

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