Re: materialize bundles?

[Jean-Baptiste Onofré]

Hi Scott,

it's here:

http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/apache/karaf/apache-karaf-minimal/

I will update the download page with it too.

Regards
JB

On 05/19/2017 05:04 PM, Scott Lewis wrote:

On 5/18/2017 10:36 PM, Christian Schneider wrote:
karaf-minimal is just a smaller distro then the normal karaf. It is released 
for each version of karaf.


Thanks Christian.

Where is the karaf-minimal distro available?  I couldn't find it on the normal 
download pages.


So while debugging you can do mvn install on the single project after making 
changes to it. Karaf will then automatically updated the bundle(s) you built. 
This even works without disconnecting the debugger.


So in practice the debugging experience is not much worse than with the pde.



In addition to the debugging experience...is there anything to do about the dev 
experience...i.e. the compiler?


Scott

I guess Guillaume pointed you to this as an example of how to create your own 
custom distro.


There is no support to start karaf with a target platform. In practice 
debugging karaf distributions works quite well though.
You simply start karaf with "karaf debug". Then go to the project you want to 
debug in eclipse and start a remote debugging session for it with port 5005.

See
http://karaf.apache.org/manual/latest/#_debugging

This works very well for pure maven projects. I think it is not very well 
suited for tycho based projects.


Christian

2017-05-19 2:00 GMT+02:00 Scott Lewis >:


One more question:

The pom you pointed me to:


https://github.com/apache/karaf/blob/master/assemblies/apache-karaf-minimal/pom.xml#L102-L148




Seems to be the 'karaf minimal' or 'karaf boot' (not sure if these are the
same thing), but the version appears to be 4.2...which is not out yet. 
 When is the expected release of karaf minimal/boot?


Thanks,

Scott



On 5/18/2017 4:48 PM, Scott Lewis wrote:

On 5/18/2017 3:26 PM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:

The karaf maven plugin is perfectly suited to create custom
distributions.


We do use it to create the karaf official distributions, so unless
something is missing, I'd suggest having a look at it.
See for example:

https://github.com/apache/karaf/blob/master/assemblies/apache-karaf-minimal/pom.xml#L102-L148





Ok, thanks.   Is there some further support for
developing/debugging/testing to these and other features...e.g. in
Eclipse and/or other IDE?  e.g. target platform?

Excepting bndtools, which I know about.

Scott





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http://www.liquid-reality.de 



Open Source Architect
http://www.talend.com 






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Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbono...@apache.org
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Re: materialize bundles?

[Scott Lewis]

On 5/18/2017 10:36 PM, Christian Schneider wrote:
karaf-minimal is just a smaller distro then the normal karaf. It is 
released for each version of karaf.


Thanks Christian.

Where is the karaf-minimal distro available?  I couldn't find it on the 
normal download pages.


So while debugging you can do mvn install on the single project after 
making changes to it. Karaf will then automatically updated the 
bundle(s) you built. This even works without disconnecting the debugger.


So in practice the debugging experience is not much worse than with 
the pde.




In addition to the debugging experience...is there anything to do about 
the dev experience...i.e. the compiler?


Scott

I guess Guillaume pointed you to this as an example of how to create 
your own custom distro.


There is no support to start karaf with a target platform. In practice 
debugging karaf distributions works quite well though.
You simply start karaf with "karaf debug". Then go to the project you 
want to debug in eclipse and start a remote debugging session for it 
with port 5005.

See
http://karaf.apache.org/manual/latest/#_debugging

This works very well for pure maven projects. I think it is not very 
well suited for tycho based projects.


Christian

2017-05-19 2:00 GMT+02:00 Scott Lewis >:


One more question:

The pom you pointed me to:


https://github.com/apache/karaf/blob/master/assemblies/apache-karaf-minimal/pom.xml#L102-L148




Seems to be the 'karaf minimal' or 'karaf boot' (not sure if these
are the same thing), but the version appears to be 4.2...which is
not out yet.   When is the expected release of karaf minimal/boot?

Thanks,

Scott



On 5/18/2017 4:48 PM, Scott Lewis wrote:

On 5/18/2017 3:26 PM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:

The karaf maven plugin is perfectly suited to create
custom distributions.


We do use it to create the karaf official distributions,
so unless something is missing, I'd suggest having a look
at it.
See for example:

https://github.com/apache/karaf/blob/master/assemblies/apache-karaf-minimal/pom.xml#L102-L148





Ok, thanks.   Is there some further support for
developing/debugging/testing to these and other
features...e.g. in Eclipse and/or other IDE?  e.g. target
platform?

Excepting bndtools, which I know about.

Scott





--
--
Christian Schneider
http://www.liquid-reality.de 



Open Source Architect
http://www.talend.com 

Re: materialize bundles?

[Christian Schneider]

bundle:watch * is also very useful. See
http://karaf.apache.org/manual/latest/#_watch

So while debugging you can do mvn install on the single project after
making changes to it. Karaf will then automatically updated the bundle(s)
you built. This even works without disconnecting the debugger.

So in practice the debugging experience is not much worse than with the pde.

Christian

2017-05-19 2:00 GMT+02:00 Scott Lewis :

> One more question:
>
> The pom you pointed me to:
>
> https://github.com/apache/karaf/blob/master/assemblies/apach
> e-karaf-minimal/pom.xml#L102-L148
>
> Seems to be the 'karaf minimal' or 'karaf boot' (not sure if these are the
> same thing), but the version appears to be 4.2...which is not out yet.
>  When is the expected release of karaf minimal/boot?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> On 5/18/2017 4:48 PM, Scott Lewis wrote:
>
>> On 5/18/2017 3:26 PM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>
>>> The karaf maven plugin is perfectly suited to create custom
>>> distributions.
>>>
>>
>> We do use it to create the karaf official distributions, so unless
>>> something is missing, I'd suggest having a look at it.
>>> See for example:
>>> https://github.com/apache/karaf/blob/master/assemblies/apach
>>> e-karaf-minimal/pom.xml#L102-L148
>>>
>>
>> Ok, thanks.   Is there some further support for
>> developing/debugging/testing to these and other features...e.g. in Eclipse
>> and/or other IDE?  e.g. target platform?
>>
>> Excepting bndtools, which I know about.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>


-- 
-- 
Christian Schneider
http://www.liquid-reality.de


Open Source Architect
http://www.talend.com

Re: materialize bundles?

[Christian Schneider]

karaf-minimal is just a smaller distro then the normal karaf. It is
released for each version of karaf. I guess Guillaume pointed you to this
as an example of how to create your own custom distro.

There is no support to start karaf with a target platform. In practice
debugging karaf distributions works quite well though.
You simply start karaf with "karaf debug". Then go to the project you want
to debug in eclipse and start a remote debugging session for it with port
5005.
See
http://karaf.apache.org/manual/latest/#_debugging

This works very well for pure maven projects. I think it is not very well
suited for tycho based projects.

Christian

2017-05-19 2:00 GMT+02:00 Scott Lewis :

> One more question:
>
> The pom you pointed me to:
>
> https://github.com/apache/karaf/blob/master/assemblies/apach
> e-karaf-minimal/pom.xml#L102-L148
>
> Seems to be the 'karaf minimal' or 'karaf boot' (not sure if these are the
> same thing), but the version appears to be 4.2...which is not out yet.
>  When is the expected release of karaf minimal/boot?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> On 5/18/2017 4:48 PM, Scott Lewis wrote:
>
>> On 5/18/2017 3:26 PM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>
>>> The karaf maven plugin is perfectly suited to create custom
>>> distributions.
>>>
>>
>> We do use it to create the karaf official distributions, so unless
>>> something is missing, I'd suggest having a look at it.
>>> See for example:
>>> https://github.com/apache/karaf/blob/master/assemblies/apach
>>> e-karaf-minimal/pom.xml#L102-L148
>>>
>>
>> Ok, thanks.   Is there some further support for
>> developing/debugging/testing to these and other features...e.g. in Eclipse
>> and/or other IDE?  e.g. target platform?
>>
>> Excepting bndtools, which I know about.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>


-- 
-- 
Christian Schneider
http://www.liquid-reality.de


Open Source Architect
http://www.talend.com

Re: materialize bundles?

[Scott Lewis]

One more question:

The pom you pointed me to:

https://github.com/apache/karaf/blob/master/assemblies/apache-karaf-minimal/pom.xml#L102-L148 



Seems to be the 'karaf minimal' or 'karaf boot' (not sure if these are 
the same thing), but the version appears to be 4.2...which is not out 
yet.   When is the expected release of karaf minimal/boot?


Thanks,

Scott


On 5/18/2017 4:48 PM, Scott Lewis wrote:

On 5/18/2017 3:26 PM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
The karaf maven plugin is perfectly suited to create custom 
distributions.


We do use it to create the karaf official distributions, so unless 
something is missing, I'd suggest having a look at it.

See for example:
https://github.com/apache/karaf/blob/master/assemblies/apache-karaf-minimal/pom.xml#L102-L148 



Ok, thanks.   Is there some further support for 
developing/debugging/testing to these and other features...e.g. in 
Eclipse and/or other IDE?  e.g. target platform?


Excepting bndtools, which I know about.

Scott

Re: materialize bundles?

[Scott Lewis]

On 5/18/2017 3:26 PM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:

The karaf maven plugin is perfectly suited to create custom distributions.


We do use it to create the karaf official distributions, so unless 
something is missing, I'd suggest having a look at it.

See for example:
https://github.com/apache/karaf/blob/master/assemblies/apache-karaf-minimal/pom.xml#L102-L148


Ok, thanks.   Is there some further support for 
developing/debugging/testing to these and other features...e.g. in 
Eclipse and/or other IDE?  e.g. target platform?


Excepting bndtools, which I know about.

Scott

Re: materialize bundles?

[Guillaume Nodet]

The karaf maven plugin is perfectly suited to create custom distributions.
We do use it to create the karaf official distributions, so unless
something is missing, I'd suggest having a look at it.
See for example:

https://github.com/apache/karaf/blob/master/assemblies/apache-karaf-minimal/pom.xml#L102-L148

2017-05-18 22:51 GMT+02:00 Scott Lewis :

> On 5/17/2017 11:24 PM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>
>> Not really.
>> What would be the use of such a directory ?
>>
>
> It could be used to develop to and package custom distributions that are
> based upon Karaf and other projects...for example OpenHab.
>
>
> Using that as the deploy folder for a newly created instance ? You'd loose
>> some information such as configurations, start levels, etc...
>>
>
> Yes that's true/understood.
>
> I suppose what I'm getting at is:  how to most easily develop to and
> create custom distributions...not of Karaf directly, but perhaps Karaf +
> OpenHAB + others.
>
> Scott
>
>


-- 

Guillaume Nodet

Re: materialize bundles?

[Scott Lewis]

On 5/17/2017 11:24 PM, Guillaume Nodet wrote:

Not really.
What would be the use of such a directory ?


It could be used to develop to and package custom distributions that are 
based upon Karaf and other projects...for example OpenHab.



Using that as the deploy folder for a newly created instance ? You'd 
loose some information such as configurations, start levels, etc...


Yes that's true/understood.

I suppose what I'm getting at is:  how to most easily develop to and 
create custom distributions...not of Karaf directly, but perhaps Karaf + 
OpenHAB + others.


Scott

Re: materialize bundles?

[Guillaume Nodet]

Not really.
What would be the use of such a directory ?
Using that as the deploy folder for a newly created instance ? You'd loose
some information such as configurations, start levels, etc...

2017-05-18 0:55 GMT+02:00 Scott Lewis :

> Is there any easy way (e.g. console or mvn command) to materialize all the
> bundles/versions in a given running instance of Karaf and put them as jars
> into a target directory?
>
>
>
>


-- 

Guillaume Nodet

materialize bundles?

[Scott Lewis]

Is there any easy way (e.g. console or mvn command) to materialize all 
the bundles/versions in a given running instance of Karaf and put them 
as jars into a target directory?