from:"BJ Freeman"

the best way to learn widget is use a xml editor that will give you each 
valid element as you build the file.
you can also read the Schema file for the widget and the comments buried 
in them.

FTL is how to build files to have it rendered has html.
you marshal the data for the ftl through the grovy files.
if you use screen widgets you can fall the grooby from there.
otherwise name the groovy the same as the FTl file and it will be 
executed before the FTL is called.

there are plenty of examples in code.
expect about a year to learn all the in and outs of ofbiz, minimum.

G.Ben sent the following on 5/31/2012 12:51 AM:

Hi everyone,

I'm having some issues with OFBiz and its tutorials, it's not quite enough
for me, because I'm developping a real application with it,
So, I need to know the syntax of that language, for example : the ui labels
how and what do we use them for ? a HTML page without Ui labels should it be
enough ??
And the form widget, what is syntax that we should follow (for example : to
put an image ? to put a file in attachement etc ... )
And for style, do we always use CSS, if yes, is it like CSS with HTML ...
I have a few knowledge about OFBiz and i'm really struggling with it ... I
keep googling and I don't find simple things.

P.S : Excuse me if my english is not that good.

Thank you for your help.

Regards.

G.Ben

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Re: app


qualified no.
as long as you don't want to access data from ofbiz you can use html
you still will need to learn the controller.

G.Ben sent the following on 6/1/2012 3:14 AM:

Hi everyone,

I was wondering if I can develop a whole application with just HTML
(Freemarker template) and without any script of Freemarker and also without
formwidgets, or menu widgets,
Everything in the interface will be in HTML, so it possible ?
Advantages and inconvenients ?

Thank you.

Regards.

G.Ben

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Re: Tips or a cookbook


LOL try it with no documentation there is now.
a year is a short time.

G.Ben sent the following on 6/1/2012 3:57 AM:

Wow a year, that seems a long time.
Well, thank you BJ Freeman.

Rgrds.

G.Ben.

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Re: Tips or a cookbook

I only deal with ofbiz as the modeling it started with for UI.
this is where a Rendering engine is created and defined in the
controller, and ftl are used as the basis for the rendering.

That said, I also use FTL to prsent a UI front end that is just links to
other pages. In that I still use a standard screen widget to call it.

I resist other ways to interact with other web systems.

Deepak Agarwal sent the following on 6/1/2012 4:03 AM:

BJ Freeman/All,

We are mainly into zkoss framework (and have integrated well with ofbiz),
but still I find a lot of pain while creating service wrappers in zk over
ofbiz services.
Would like to know your suggestions if we should go with Screen/Widget for
front end design or zkoss is better.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 4:10 PM, BJ Freemanbjf...@free-man.net wrote:

the best way to learn widget is use a xml editor that will give you each
valid element as you build the file.
you can also read the Schema file for the widget and the comments buried
in them.
FTL is how to build files to have it rendered has html.
you marshal the data for the ftl through the grovy files.
if you use screen widgets you can fall the grooby from there.
otherwise name the groovy the same as the FTl file and it will be executed
before the FTL is called.
there are plenty of examples in code.
expect about a year to learn all the in and outs of ofbiz, minimum.

G.Ben sent the following on 5/31/2012 12:51 AM:

Hi everyone,

I'm having some issues with OFBiz and its tutorials, it's not quite enough
for me, because I'm developping a real application with it,
So, I need to know the syntax of that language, for example : the ui
labels
how and what do we use them for ? a HTML page without Ui labels should it
be
enough ??
And the form widget, what is syntax that we should follow (for example :
to
put an image ? to put a file in attachement etc ... )
And for style, do we always use CSS, if yes, is it like CSS with HTML ...
I have a few knowledge about OFBiz and i'm really struggling with it ... I
keep googling and I don't find simple things.

P.S : Excuse me if my english is not that good.

Thank you for your help.

Regards.

G.Ben

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No Copyrights on APIs: Judge Defends Interoperability and Innovation

2012-05-31 Thread BJ Freeman


https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/05/no-copyrights-apis-judge-defends-interoperability-and-innovation

Re: proposal

2012-05-21 Thread BJ Freeman


at the first level you can create a working Catalog that is not online.
then you can use the copy function to the live catalog when ready.
so the only thing necessary is a to from list that a import routing can 
read and do the copies in mass.


Info Olagos sent the following on 5/20/2012 11:33 AM:

Hello,

What should be a very nice feature in Ofbiz which doesn't exist at the
moment, is the following:

It should be nice if you could insert all the data for a certain new
product in different days. Let's say day one, you do the product
properties, day two you continue with the content part, day three you
continue with the price, etc.

You only publish the new product when you have completed all data. So the
product doesn't appear not complete on the webpage.

So one need a PUBLISH button.

I don't think that is possible at the moment in Ofbiz.

Regards,
Heidi  Eric

Re: ASF Board reports and health of the project/community

2012-04-29 Thread BJ Freeman


inline

Adrian Crum sent the following on 4/29/2012 2:04 AM:

On 4/28/2012 11:20 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:

Having adopted Ofbiz Model in 2002 for my business, I am both a User
and developer. the Developer was more forced, do to the attitude that
prevailed at the time.
A re-occurring theme I have heard over the years is that Ofbiz was
created to generate revenue for those developers that had an Ofbiz
email address that has been since moved to hotwax.


That is not an accurate description. OFBiz started out as a programming
project for a specific client, and that project was made open source.

Since then, many of the contributions made to OFBiz are driven by
clients who fund the development. Other contributions are volunteer
efforts (the refactorings I've done are an example).


Also that those that are first to contribute have the control of the
particular projecct, even if it does not fight the model ofbiz started
with.


Maybe that is because the model changes over time. That is not a bad
thing. There are some things in the original OFBiz that were done wrong.
Should we keep them that way forever?


this is my main focus, I believe you confuse Model with implementation.
for instance, the model for rendering was that many forms of rendering 
could take the same parameters and generate different outputs. This just 
took defining the Rendering engine.
this has been bypassed, so there is no easy way to remove or add 
rendering as one chooses.



Many contribute based on their background that corrupts the ofbiz
model, particularly how UI is created.


If you have something specific in mind, then please open a Jira issue
and provide a patch.


All these things and few other less significant attitudes has left me
no other choice than to not use the ofbiz repository as a source of
solutions.
First I have a business to run, and the volatility of the Code does
not make it any easier to have dependable, Stable code base or
operation parameters.
Second the code base is used as a developer playground, not to service
the end user.


That phrase keeps popping up, but I have no idea what it means. I have
been involved with the project for 8 years, and I can't see where anyone
is using OFBiz as a developer's playground. From my perspective, the
OFBiz developer community is composed of skilled professionals who work
hard to make OFBiz a stable, robust platform for web application
development.
this I attribute to a different perspective about how to develop and 
provide updates.
The biggest is there is not testing from beginning to end only testing a 
module with set fixed inputs, but not all those that the modules using 
it could generate.
The effort to have migration process, so the upgrade path is easy for 
the end user.
that code gets changes that any customization is make inert because the 
code it depended on is removed or changed to the level it will not work.





We review the commits for Ideas but implement them to fit the model we
started out with.
In my view there is no roadmap for ofbiz just a bunch of Kludges.
As you see I monitor the ML, but don't see any use in contributing.


Everyone can choose to curse the darkness or light a candle. From what I
recall, whenever you have been asked to provide a patch to address your
concerns, you create a Jira issue but don't provide a patch, or you make
an excuse why you can't be bothered. The bottom line is, you get out of
OFBiz what you put into it. So, if you're not getting anything out of
OFBiz...

I since I branched from Ofbiz repository, where I have control, and I 
put effort into that, I am getting all I need.
Though it is not possible to do that with the way ofbiz is managed 
currently.

I don't see trying to redo code that someone has put in and not fixed.
Like the way partyrelations was implemented in the HR component.
This again is about the model.

-Adrian

Re: ASF Board reports and health of the project/community

2012-04-28 Thread BJ Freeman

Having adopted Ofbiz Model in 2002 for my business, I am both a User and 
developer. the Developer was more forced, do to the attitude that 
prevailed at the time.
A re-occurring theme I have heard over the years is that Ofbiz was 
created to generate revenue for those developers that  had an Ofbiz 
email address that has been since moved to hotwax.
Also that those that are first to contribute have the control of the 
particular projecct, even if it does not fight the model ofbiz started with.
Many contribute based on their background that corrupts the ofbiz model, 
particularly how UI is created.
All these things and few other less significant attitudes has left me no 
other choice than to not use the ofbiz repository as a source of solutions.
First I have a business to run, and the volatility of the Code does not 
make it any easier to have dependable, Stable code base or operation 
parameters.
Second the code base is used as a developer playground, not to service 
the end user.
We review the commits for Ideas but implement them to fit the model we 
started out with.

In my view there is no roadmap for ofbiz just a bunch of Kludges.
As you see I monitor the ML, but don't see any use in contributing.



Pierre Smits sent the following on 4/27/2012 6:25 AM:

Dear OFBiz Community Member,

I herewith take the opportunity to inform you about the obligation on the
OFBiz PMC to inform the ASF Board about how we as a community are doing.
These reports can be found at:
https://cwiki.apache.org/OFBADMIN/asf-board-reports.html.

Following the project since it came out of incubation in 2006 and
contributing since august 2008 I believe that the OFBiz PMC doesn't
communicate as well as it could and should. Looking back through old email
I noticed that only in 2009 there was a reference to ASF Board reports. Not
informing the community (through mailing lists) about upcoming reports and
not communicating that a new report has been submitted is an oversight that
can easily be remitted. Informing the community that new reports are
pending  or submitted should be one of the obligations of the OFBiz PMC to
the community.

Looking at the upcoming Board report (intended June 2012, found here:
https://cwiki.apache.org/OFBADMIN/asf-board-report-2012-06-draft.html) I
find that it should contain more than just a statement that R10.04.02 has
been released and a lot of copy-pasting of the previous report. Please read
the report.

Under the heading of Infrastructure
I believe that it should mentioned that no automated building and testing
has taken place since Jan 2012 on the underlying system of buildbot. And
that uptake by the INFRA community is slow.

Under the heading of Community and Project
I believe that it should state the progress regarding the roadmap. We can
communicate more on how we are moving ahead with code.

I also believe that it should mention (under the heading of Community and
Project) that although interactions on user and dev mailling list remain
high, the number of interacting PMC members and Committers is dwindling.
Of the 16 PMC members and 22 committers on the list only a handful
participate in user questions and developer issues. Even the last voting on
the release of 10.04.02 attracted no more than 4 PMC members to vote. And
that I find very alarming. The project deserves more actively participating
PMC Members and Committers.

In stead of having an active participation in the strengthening and
expanding the community and enhancing/improving OFBiz, we are on a road of
contraction (moving code out of OFBiz in the hope/trust that if important
enough it will be picked up by another community), which will lead to even
less participation in the OFBiz community via mailing lists and product
development. I find that disturbing.

We currently have about 640 unaddressed issues referenced in JIRA, of which
more than half are registered with a classification of mayor or higher
impact. It shows that, apart from the handful of Commiters working on
issues not referenced in JIRA, we have serious issues to deal with. These
issues should be addressed within the community and mentioned to ASF Board.

If we do not address the issues the project is facing it might come to a
point that the viability of this project is questioned. I believe we (as a
community) don't want that.

So, I invite you to share your thoughts on how this community is doing,
what can be improved and what should be reported to the ASF Board.

Sincerely yours,

Pierre Smits

Re: The end of ERP

2012-04-11 Thread BJ Freeman

ERP as in Enterprise Resource Management, May change as far as the 
Enterprises that use it. But the Functions for Resource management is 
well and good for any business that wants to maximize their profits.
My small(med) business use the ofbiz core with enhancement for Software 
design and project management, as well as the hardware design we do.
Though we use Build to order, most of the time, doing resource 
evaluation to determine when we start to build to possible orders is 
important. Where the break point of Resources against Keeping stock, 
make sense.
This ofoourse means fleshing out the budget entities, tied into a 
business plan, to be automatic.


Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 4/10/2012 11:51 PM:

Hi,

This morning I read
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ciocentral/2012/02/09/the-end-of-erp
Here is a review of this article
http://www.javacodegeeks.com/2012/04/end-of-erp-as-we-know-it.html

I can tell you that OFBiz is not a perfect solution for the new
subscription model, but mostly it works. It's time to think more about
it though... This is coming fast...

Jacques

Re: Tally Integration

2012-04-04 Thread BJ Freeman


from tally sight
Is Tally is web-enabled?
No. However, you may use Synchronisation feature and access Tally.
this might be like the Intuit bridge that was used in Ofbiz a few years back

Dhiraj Gupta sent the following on 4/4/2012 12:44 AM:

Hi I want to integrate ofbiz with tally. Can do you have any suggestion about 
it .Tally is accounting software used in India in wast manner.


ThanksDhiraj Gupta9990220686

Re: Beanshell source code

2012-03-25 Thread BJ Freeman


http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=533448
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-528

Daniel McAllister sent the following on 3/23/2012 6:13 AM:

Hello!

I'm using an old version of Ofbiz. It's the Ofbiz 4.0. What I'm looking for
is the Beanshell source-code that is bundled with this version. More
specifically the the bsh-2.0b4.jar. Unfortunately the jar file has been
patched, but the jar file's name doesn't reflect the patches. I have found
several patches at here https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ but
it's very confusing what patches should i apply on the original Beanshell
source.

Someone please send me the source-code of the bsh jar.

Thx, Daniel.

Re: Beanshell source code

2012-03-25 Thread BJ Freeman


http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=929809

BJ Freeman sent the following on 3/25/2012 2:12 AM:

http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=533448
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-528

Daniel McAllister sent the following on 3/23/2012 6:13 AM:

Hello!

I'm using an old version of Ofbiz. It's the Ofbiz 4.0. What I'm
looking for
is the Beanshell source-code that is bundled with this version. More
specifically the the bsh-2.0b4.jar. Unfortunately the jar file has been
patched, but the jar file's name doesn't reflect the patches. I have
found
several patches at here https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ but
it's very confusing what patches should i apply on the original Beanshell
source.

Someone please send me the source-code of the bsh jar.

Thx, Daniel.

Re: Beanshell source code

2012-03-25 Thread BJ Freeman


thanks for clean up on wiki.
I missed 303 so now we have a complete path.


Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 3/25/2012 2:41 AM:

in https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-528
I updated the link to OFBiz Customized BeanShell Source (with
ParsedScript object) in wiki

Hopefully the required sources are in OFBIZ-528, I did not check.

Ha yes it's here https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-303, right?

Jacques

From: BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net

http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=533448
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-528

Daniel McAllister sent the following on 3/23/2012 6:13 AM:

Hello!

I'm using an old version of Ofbiz. It's the Ofbiz 4.0. What I'm
looking for
is the Beanshell source-code that is bundled with this version. More
specifically the the bsh-2.0b4.jar. Unfortunately the jar file has been
patched, but the jar file's name doesn't reflect the patches. I have
found
several patches at here https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ but
it's very confusing what patches should i apply on the original
Beanshell
source.

Someone please send me the source-code of the bsh jar.

Thx, Daniel.

Re: discussion: b2b versus b2c

2012-03-05 Thread BJ Freeman

if the partyrelationship is used as in Vol1 of the data manual, there 
should be no problem, which is why I reverted to the way the databook 
did it.


Hans Bakker sent the following on 3/5/2012 12:13 AM:

At the moment the system is focused being a b2c (business to consumer)
system. We are now getting more and more requests for systems mainly for
b2b (business to business)

The main difference is that in the b2c case the order/invoice is for the
person and in a b2b the order/invoice is for the related company of that
person.

In the registration process a person can register referring to a
company, a second person can register to the same company however
somewhere needs to be a approval process.

I was thinking introducing a system parameter to make the related
company of a person mandatory or not

any thoughts on this?

Regards,
Hans

Fleet tracking

2012-02-01 Thread BJ Freeman

here is a start point for you to create your own tracking module.
http://tinkerlog.com/2009/05/15/interfacing-arduino-with-a-telit-gm862/
cost per unit is about $300 in parts.
you will have to modify the code.
for enhancement you can
http://tinkerlog.com/2007/07/28/using-google-maps-with-a-mobile-gps-tracker/

Re: version 11.4 or 10.4 most stable?

2012-01-31 Thread BJ Freeman

if you want control of your code and want the latest and greatest I
suggest you maintain your own code repository, and use the commits after
reviewing them. Then run you full tests against the the complete system.

Info Olagos sent the following on 1/27/2012 2:48 AM:
 Hello,
 
 Can anyone inform me about the latest versions of Ofbiz.
 
 Is version 11.4 or rather 10.4 the most stable ?
 
 Regards,
 Heidi

Re: version 11.4 or 10.4 most stable?

2012-01-31 Thread BJ Freeman

https://cwiki.apache.org/OFBADMIN/mailing-lists.html
comm...@ofbiz.apache.org
this will give you thee actual commit files.

Info Olagos sent the following on 1/31/2012 2:29 AM:
 Hello,
 
 Ok that seems me a good idea.
 But where to find these commits? and from which commit on to start.
 
 Heidi
 
 2012/1/31, BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net:
 if you want control of your code and want the latest and greatest I
 suggest you maintain your own code repository, and use the commits after
 reviewing them. Then run you full tests against the the complete system.

 Info Olagos sent the following on 1/27/2012 2:48 AM:
 Hello,

 Can anyone inform me about the latest versions of Ofbiz.

 Is version 11.4 or rather 10.4 the most stable ?

 Regards,
 Heidi

Re: version 11.4 or 10.4 most stable?

2012-01-31 Thread BJ Freeman

yes, but compared to keep the code so a change does not effect custom
code is better than having to redo a large code base it depends on.

Adrian Crum sent the following on 1/31/2012 3:22 AM:
 That approach is what I like to call an internal fork. It is a good way
 to maintain control of the codebase, but it is expensive to maintain.
 
 -Adrian
 
 On 1/31/2012 10:15 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
 if you want control of your code and want the latest and greatest I
 suggest you maintain your own code repository, and use the commits after
 reviewing them. Then run you full tests against the the complete system.

 Info Olagos sent the following on 1/27/2012 2:48 AM:
 Hello,

 Can anyone inform me about the latest versions of Ofbiz.

 Is version 11.4 or rather 10.4 the most stable ?

 Regards,
 Heidi

Re: Endicia integration now available for ofbiz

2012-01-28 Thread BJ Freeman

did that a few years back.
why not stick with the direct USPS?

Si Chen sent the following on 1/27/2012 10:30 AM:
 Hi everybody,
 
 Happy new year!
 
 We've just implemented an Endicia integration for ofbiz, so now you can use
 Endicia to print USPS mailing labels from ofbiz (as well as opentaps).  For
 more information, please see
 http://shop.opentaps.org/index.php/featured/opentaps-ofbiz-endicia-integration-module.html

Re: Running under external tomcat

2012-01-28 Thread BJ Freeman

Just a guess, Hans put in some code for vitural server. might want to
check it out

Mansour Al Akeel sent the following on 1/27/2012 11:46 AM:
 This is issue is still pending. The recent revision from trunk doesn't
 work on external tomcat.
 And I was not able to trouble shoot the issue.
 I commented out all the app context in the generated
 TOMCAT_HOME/conf/server.xml and left bi to see the results.
 All I get is:
 
 
 INFO: Starting service Catalina
 Jan 27, 2012 2:34:36 PM org.apache.catalina.core.StandardEngine start
 INFO: Starting Servlet Engine: Apache Tomcat/6.0.29
 Jan 27, 2012 2:34:37 PM org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContext start
 SEVERE: Error listenerStart
 Jan 27, 2012 2:34:37 PM org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContext start
 SEVERE: Context [/bi] startup failed due to previous errors
 Jan 27, 2012 2:34:37 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.HostConfig 
 deployDescriptor
 INFO: Deploying configuration descriptor manager.xml
 Jan 27, 2012 2:34:37 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.HostConfig 
 deployDescriptor
 
 I managed to get it running in the past with 10.04, but not from
 trunk. The svn doesn't show any significant changes. Any help ?
 
 
 On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Mansour Al Akeel
 mansour.alak...@gmail.com wrote:
 Can you please provide details about how to generating the templates for
 tomcat7 ?
 I can see only tomcat6 and tomcat55.

 On Sun Jan 15,2012 09:32 am, Erwan de FERRIERES wrote:
 Le 14/01/2012 23:54, Mansour Al Akeel a ?crit :
 It has been a month, and no answer yet. Is there some missing
 information, that may help solving this issue. I remember it worked with
 ofbiz-10.04 . If running under tomcat for 11.04 or trunk-SVN, is no
 longer supported then please let me know.




 On Thu Dec 15,2011 03:53 pm, Mansour Al Akeel wrote:
 I am trying to running ofbiz under a stanalone tomcat as per
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Tomcat

 I am unable to run it as described. I am using the same version of
 tomcat in the document: 6.0.16


 Hi Mansour,

 OFBiz trunk is now using tomcat 7. If you still want to use a tomcat 6,
 you may take a revision before 1203470
 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1203470view=rev (november 18th) from
 the OFBiz svn.

 Cheers,

 --
 Erwan de FERRIERES
 www.nereide.biz

Re: version 11.4 or 10.4 most stable?

2012-01-28 Thread BJ Freeman

My two cents :
when you change any code you have reduced the reliability of code that
depends on that code.
The More code that is changed, the less the reliability.
Till rigorous testing of all code that depends on the code changed,, one
can not say it is dependable.
Though code is Frozen in releases as candidates, no one demonstrated
this level of testing.
With that said, what will Be, 11.04. has had not only code but structure
changes, compared to 10.4.

It has been said that those that have an interest and are first to add
code set the tone of what they put in, wheather any code review has been
done.
I can point out many instances where code does not follow good coding
practices and/or follow the design of ofbiz.
And yes I have attempted t point this out and it has fell on deaf ears.

So yes those that want stability and dependability must take
responsibility to do there own testing.



Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 1/28/2012 5:41 AM:
 Jacopo:
 Thanks for the clarification.
 
 Would it also be fair to say that there is no Apache OFBiz project
 official upgrade path or document?
 
 Each OFBiz user is on their own when it comes to upgrade policies and
 procedures?
 
 Best Regards,
 Ruth
 
 On 1/27/12 2:49 PM, Info Olagos wrote:
 Jacopo,

 So what is then the most intelligent to upgrade from version 09.04 ?

 To release 10.04 or to the trunk?

 Heidi

 2012/1/27 Jacopo Cappellatojacopo.cappell...@hotwaxmedia.com:
 Just to clarify: Hans is expressing a personal opinion and/or
 conveying the marketing message of his own company; in this context
 us means Hans' company, and it is not associated to the Apache
 OFBiz project and community.

 10.04 is the latest official release with features freezed on April 2010
 09.04.01 is an official release with features freezed on April 2009

 Soon we should release the first official release on the 11.04 series
 (with feature freezed on April 2011)

 Kind regards,

 Jacopo

 On Jan 27, 2012, at 1:04 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:

 Heidi,

 Yes, AND upgrading much easier...we do it at least every 3 months in
 less than a couple of hours of work.
 If you have a support contract with us, we even guarantee that a
 blocking error is solved within hours.

 Or of course try our SAAS solution at http://ofbizsaas.com (also
 runs on trunk)

 Regards,
 Hans

 On 01/27/2012 07:00 PM, Info Olagos wrote:
 ok thank you.
 So not version 10.4 nor 11.4 but the trunk?

 Regards,
 Heidi

 2012/1/27, Hans Bakkermailingl...@antwebsystems.com:
 Hi Heidi,

 I think in the OFBiz case, 'trunk' is just as stable as the other
 versionsand with a lot of extra functionality

 we use trunk for almost all customers.

 Regards, Hans
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 OFBiz software as a service? try the demo version:
 http://ofbizsaas.com

 On 01/27/2012 05:48 PM, Info Olagos wrote:
 Hello,

 Can anyone inform me about the latest versions of Ofbiz.

 Is version 11.4 or rather 10.4 the most stable ?

 Regards,
 Heidi

Re: Question on services methods

2012-01-20 Thread BJ Freeman

short answer the origial design was to have individual routines so it
could be reused.
That got lost with new committers.
I dont use the SVN since I have re-factored ofbiz.

Foo Shyn Chung sent the following on 1/18/2012 8:49 PM:
 Hi all,
 
 This may sounds stupid, please spare me =p.
 
 I've noticed that methods in the Services class are written as static and
 i'd come across a discussion thread that talked about why it is so.
 (http://osdir.com/ml/user.ofbiz.apache.org/2009-09/msg00284.html)
 
 However, there are times that a method in the Service class is either too
 long or there are common codes between 2 methods that i would like to
 refactor them into using a new method. Since all the methods need to be
 static, so the new smaller methods that i'm creating will be in static as
 well. I wonder whether this would cause the thread-safe issue concerning
 the static state of the methods?
 
 Thanx
 FooShyn

Re: OfBiz with RFID and SAP

2012-01-20 Thread BJ Freeman

short answer is yes you can add RFID and integrate SAP
plan on about a man month of effort to accomplish.

balakrishna_r sent the following on 1/19/2012 2:47
 Hi,
 
 We have been exploring OfBiz from a couple of months, and getting to know so
 many interesting things ofbiz offers out of the box.
 
 Would like to know on how OfBiz supports RFID implementation (as in
 warehouses for stock movements) and the integration with SAP to
 import/export data.
 
 Please throw some light on the above features if some one has explored
 earlier.
 
 
 Thanks,
 Balakrishna
 
 
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Re: Question on payment capture

2012-01-20 Thread BJ Freeman

What SVN version is you check out?

Sandeep A sent the following on 1/18/2012 10:46 AM:
 Hi,
 
 I had a question regarding the capture process in the ofbiz...
 
 
 Below is the code in
 org.ofbiz.accounting.payment.PaymentGatewayServices.java
 OrderReadHelper orh = new OrderReadHelper(orderHeader);
  BigDecimal orderGrandTotal = orh.getOrderGrandTotal();
  orderGrandTotal = orderGrandTotal.setScale(decimals, rounding);
 
 //Here  getting total payments from payment entity
 ** BigDecimal totalPayments =
 PaymentWorker.getPaymentsTotal(orh.getOrderPayments()); **//this is where
 my question is
  totalPayments = totalPayments.setScale(decimals, rounding);
  BigDecimal remainingTotalBd = orderGrandTotal.subtract(totalPayments);
 
  // The amount to capture cannot be greater than the remaining total
  amountToCapture = amountToCapture.min(remainingTotalBd);
 
 What i understood from the line
 PaymentWorker.getPaymentsTotal(orh.getOrderPayments());
 is we get all payments (i.e received or sent) and add their amounts.
 
 Now my question is why are we not distinguishing between the status of
 Payment while adding them up?
 This question comes from
 Assume we had order with $100 captured and $10 refunded... total payments
 results in $110,
 but the order grand total would reflect as $90.
 
 Now if we perform a capture of $19 again i.e order total would be $90 +
 $19=$109
 the above mentioned condition was capturing $1, whereas it should have
 captured $19
 
 Any ideas of why this is being done?

Re: How to handle Returns from the Post Office

2012-01-11 Thread BJ Freeman

When a return happens a route segment is created to show that it came
back in the same shipping stream. The added code then puts it in a
holding areas in the facility for future deposition. Once the CRM is
completed, then the shipment is re-stocked an the refund it issued, or a
new shipping segments are generated with a re-ship status.
so the order has the history of the shipping history in tack.
Yes the code is not in the SVN or OTTB.





Craig Ambrose sent the following on 1/10/2012 4:18 PM:
 BJ,
 
 We have a similar scenario on our hands. We send out our shipment using UPS
 and it is not received by the customer for any number of reasons and the
 package is returned to our facility. We typically do as you suggest and it
 enters a CRM workflow and in most cases we want to re-ship the order. I
 don't want to handle it as a return with the stock going back into inventory
 in case the inventory gets reserved by a subsequent order.
 
 In any case, what do you mean by re-ship? Will this result in a new
 Shipment entity and all of it's relationships? Or will it just be a new
 ShipmentRouteSegment or some other addendum.
 
 I've been poking around the Facility and Order applications and haven't seen
 anything that looks like a re-ship operation. I'd like to maintain the
 history of this order in terms of the Shipment being sent and the UPS
 tracking ID that was generated and used and that subsequently it left the
 facility again with a new UPS tracking ID.
 
 Thanks for the insights.
 
 -craig
 
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Restraunt feature with ofbiz.

using 10.2 tablets, customer can order and pay for meals.
with the GPS built in position in the restaurant can be determine and
translated to table an place at the table.
the staff have to be trained to put the tables in preconfigured places
and ways.
the payment allows for spiting the bill and manually Entering the CC
info for each that is paying or use the attached card swipe.

Re: Restaurant feature with ofbiz.

how do you explain surveying with gps?

David Legg sent the following on 1/8/2012 9:21 AM:
 Nice idea but I don't think this would work very well unless you were
 eating alfresco!
 
 GPS signals don't penetrate buildings very well and triangulation using
 cell tower signals would mean you would have to place each table several
 hundred yards apart!
 
 David Legg
 
 On 08/01/12 16:34, BJ Freeman wrote:
 using 10.2 tablets, customer can order and pay for meals.
 with the GPS built in position in the restaurant can be determine and
 translated to table an place at the table.
 the staff have to be trained to put the tables in preconfigured places
 and ways.
 the payment allows for spiting the bill and manually Entering the CC
 info for each that is paying or use the attached card swipe.

Re: Restaurant feature with ofbiz.

GPS Differential Beacon Signal (DGPS) receivers deliver positions
accurate to within 10 meters, and potentially to 1 meter.
these rebroacast in a building gives fairly accurate measurements.

David Legg sent the following on 1/8/2012 10:42 AM:
 When I do surveys for OpenStreetmap.org I take my GPS unit outside and
 traverse the street/path/road etc in both directions to get a good
 average set of nodes.  On a good day here in the UK I can get the
 accuracy down to a few feet using a Garmin eTrex Vista HCx.  But that's
 only after letting the unit track all available satellites for a minute
 or two.
 
 Getting sufficient signal inside a multi-story building is pretty
 difficult.
 
 I've started testing a Samsung Galaxy Tablet and using Google maps to
 show where you are causes your position to jump about as the unit flips
 between the different methods of locating your position.
 
 
 On 08/01/12 17:57, BJ Freeman wrote:
 how do you explain surveying with gps?

 David Legg sent the following on 1/8/2012 9:21 AM:
 Nice idea but I don't think this would work very well unless you were
 eating alfresco!

 GPS signals don't penetrate buildings very well and triangulation using
 cell tower signals would mean you would have to place each table several
 hundred yards apart!

 David Legg

 On 08/01/12 16:34, BJ Freeman wrote:
 using 10.2 tablets, customer can order and pay for meals.
 with the GPS built in position in the restaurant can be determine and
 translated to table an place at the table.
 the staff have to be trained to put the tables in preconfigured places
 and ways.
 the payment allows for spiting the bill and manually Entering the CC
 info for each that is paying or use the attached card swipe.

Re: Restaurant feature with ofbiz.

I have a device that plugs into the 10.2 mPCIe
the 10.2 is custom.

shi.jinghai sent the following on 1/8/2012 1:50 PM:
 You have to use a Blue Tooth solution inside a building to get accurate 
 position.
 
 
 On 2012-1-9, at 上午3:05, BJ Freeman wrote:
 
 GPS Differential Beacon Signal (DGPS) receivers deliver positions
 accurate to within 10 meters, and potentially to 1 meter.
 these rebroacast in a building gives fairly accurate measurements.

 David Legg sent the following on 1/8/2012 10:42 AM:
 When I do surveys for OpenStreetmap.org I take my GPS unit outside and
 traverse the street/path/road etc in both directions to get a good
 average set of nodes.  On a good day here in the UK I can get the
 accuracy down to a few feet using a Garmin eTrex Vista HCx.  But that's
 only after letting the unit track all available satellites for a minute
 or two.

 Getting sufficient signal inside a multi-story building is pretty
 difficult.

 I've started testing a Samsung Galaxy Tablet and using Google maps to
 show where you are causes your position to jump about as the unit flips
 between the different methods of locating your position.


 On 08/01/12 17:57, BJ Freeman wrote:
 how do you explain surveying with gps?

 David Legg sent the following on 1/8/2012 9:21 AM:
 Nice idea but I don't think this would work very well unless you were
 eating alfresco!

 GPS signals don't penetrate buildings very well and triangulation using
 cell tower signals would mean you would have to place each table several
 hundred yards apart!

 David Legg

 On 08/01/12 16:34, BJ Freeman wrote:
 using 10.2 tablets, customer can order and pay for meals.
 with the GPS built in position in the restaurant can be determine and
 translated to table an place at the table.
 the staff have to be trained to put the tables in preconfigured places
 and ways.
 the payment allows for spiting the bill and manually Entering the CC
 info for each that is paying or use the attached card swipe.

Re: who is going to land Best-Buy

2011-12-23 Thread BJ Freeman

not at the momement I have my and full. heard on the news.
figure anyone interested would do the research. 
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204464404577115490099023190.html

Sascha Rodekamp sent the following on 12/23/2011 12:35 AM:
 Interesting, do you have any details?
 
 Am 22.12.2011 um 22:43 schrieb BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net:
 
 Best-Buy over sold between online and B/M.
 perfect time to pitch them for ofbiz.

who is going to land Best-Buy

2011-12-22 Thread BJ Freeman

Best-Buy over sold between online and B/M.
perfect time to pitch them for ofbiz.

Re: vendors and suppliers

2011-12-10 Thread BJ Freeman

I remember my first confusion when I first started.
I agree that from a ofbiz data model book that Vendor is selling what
the ofbiz company produces.
and that Supplier has been defined as those that sell to the ofbiz company.

However in the manufacturing world I grew up a Vendor was someone that
warehoused someone else products top be sold to the ofbiz company and a
supplier was a company the made a product to sell to the ofbiz company.

To remedy this I made a different set of Widget/controller/code that
deal from a user perspective. I do all the interpretation of the OOTB
and display it the way the ofbiz company will use them.

I have had to do this for each industry/ofbiz company customer I have had.

David E Jones sent the following on 12/9/2011 6:31 PM:
 
 
 Ruth Hoffman wrote:
 Hi David:
 Nice to hear from you again. Thanks for your input. I have some
 responses. Please see below:

 On 12/9/11 4:44 PM, David E Jones wrote:

 Ruth Hoffman wrote:
 2) If you look at how vendor/supplier is used in some of the OFBiz
 applications, you might observe that:

 A vendor supplies goods or services to the Company of record for the
 OFBiz instance. Those goods or services may be raw materials for
 manufacturing, products for resale on the ecommerce site or computers to
 run your business. When a vendor (with a record in the VENDOR table)
 supplies you with something, they are acting in a role called a
 SUPPLIER.

 So, in the OFBiz world, my interpretation is: A vendor is a supplier. It
 is as simple as that. Anything more is making it too complicated :-)

 Anyone care to comment on my interpretation?
 Actually a Supplier is a Party the sells things to the company running
 OFBiz, hence the SupplierProduct entity. In other words, a purchase
 order is sent to a Supplier.
 A vendor is also a Party that could sell things to the company running
 OFBiz. Just depends on how you set up your accounting system and how you
 name your accounts.
 The term vendor doesn't mean much in OFBiz, but has been used for any
 Party that sells something. For example, if you have multiple stores in
 your OFBiz instance you may have a vendor per store. You could also have
 multiple vendors selling through a single store.
 Seems to me if the Party sells something and the term vendor is used to
 express that activity, then the term DOES have lots of meaning. OFBiz
 e-commerce, after all, is all about selling products.

 That said, there is also an entity named VendorProduct that when coupled
 with the Vendor entity may be used in the same way as the
 SupplierProduct entity. Perhaps I should have said a vendor is a type of
 supplier? Unfortunately (or maybe fortuneately - who is to say?), the
 data model does not enforce this relationship.
 
 Okay, so did you ask to get an answer, or did you ask to start a
 discussion? It's not like this is open to interpretation, this was
 discussed and decided on a long time ago.
 
 A supplier sells stuff to the company running OFBiz. A vendor sells
 stuff to the customers of the company, and a vendor could be an
 affiliate or consignment seller sort of thing.
 
 The SupplierProduct and VendorProduct entities are VERY different and
 meant to model these 2 totally different things. I'm sorry, but looking
 at them again to make sure, I'm not even sure how they could possibly be
 confused.
 
 They are not really equivalent terms.
 Maybe, maybe not, but I would argue, based on the data model, that they
 ARE equivalent terms when a vendor acts in the role of supplier.
 Regardless, there is really no need to make this more confusing or
 complex than it already is.
 
 There is a clear distinction here. It's not making things complex, it's
 two different concepts. It's not one concept, that would be
 over-simplifying it. It is two separate, distinct concepts that need
 different words, and have them.
 
 Damn, with all the mis-information buzzing around these lists no wonder
 people have so many issues with OFBiz. Of course, OFBiz itself is
 admittedly complex and often unclear or just plain buggy and
 inconsistent, so this is understandable.
 
 I don't know exactly what we can do about all of this, but being more
 careful and detailed might be a good start for all of us.
 
 -David

Re: HelpMePlease - Problem installing OfBiz

2011-12-06 Thread BJ Freeman

thanks for the heads up that ofbiz will need work on java 7
right now ofbiz works on java 6.
you can have multiple Java SDK installed in different folders.
then point ofbiz to the Java 6 SDK.

marco bocca sent the following on 12/6/2011 6:16 AM:
 Hi,
 
 I'm trying to install your product in a WINSERVER2003 with jdk1.7.0_01.
 
 The OFBIZ version is apache-ofbiz-10.04
 
 When I'm compiling the project with ANT run-install run there is a error 
 message
 
 classes:
   [javac16] Compiling 13 source files to 
 C:\_portable\PortableApps\apache-ofbiz-10.04\framework\security\build\classes
   [javac16] warning: [options] bootstrap class path not set in conjunction 
 with -source 1.6
   [javac16] 
 C:\_portable\PortableApps\apache-ofbiz-10.04\framework\security\src\org\ofbiz\security\OFBizSecurity.java:52:
  error: invalid inferred types for V; inferred type does not conform to 
 declared bound(s)
   [javac16] protected static final MapString, MapString, String 
 simpleRoleEntity = UtilMisc.toMap(
   [javac16]   
^
   [javac16] inferred: MapString,Object
   [javac16] bound(s): MapString,String
   [javac16]   where V,V1,V2,V3 are type-variables:
   [javac16] V extends Object declared in method 
 V,V1,V2,V3toMap(String,V1,String,V2,String,V3)
   [javac16] V1 extends V declared in method 
 V,V1,V2,V3toMap(String,V1,String,V2,String,V3)
   [javac16] V2 extends V declared in method 
 V,V1,V2,V3toMap(String,V1,String,V2,String,V3)
   [javac16] V3 extends V declared in method 
 V,V1,V2,V3toMap(String,V1,String,V2,String,V3)
   [javac16] 1 error
   [javac16] 1 warning
 
 Could you help me, please ?
 
 I have tried to reinstall ALL piece but doesn't work ?
 
 Marco

Re: APACHE_OFBIZ_HTML

or use this one that has additions
http://ofbiz.businessesnetwork.com/cmssite/cms/APACHE_OFBIZ_HTM

Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 12/5/2011 6:14 AM:
 Hi,
 
 Since this morning, it seems someone is much using the online help on
 demo trunk server. This is maybe why the server is so slow.
 If you do so, please rather use the online help locally, on your own
 machine...
 
 Thanks
 
 Jacques

Re: Tax calculation for all order adjustments

the Tax Authority was implemented and VAT was added later.
Thanks for your links.
Since you have a thread on the Dev list, lets keep it on the dev list
for continuity.

biletnikov sent the following on 12/5/2011 12:38 AM:
Thank you for your reply BJ Freeman.
I am not aware of USA Tax Authority, just know some basic principles. VAT
system is used by many countries. Of course, gross profit is very important
for any company and it is used in tax computation for local Tax authority.
Some VAT info you may read here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_added_tax
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_added_tax
The main points for VAT is:
VAT amount depends on a country
Some products, materials or services can have different VAT amount per
country (but that is more exceptional case, when a government wishes to
reduce taxes for some kinds of business...)
VAT is applied for product, material or service
VAT should be specified in each order and invoice (for some countries, it is
mandatory, but for another it is a best practice)

From these points, it is interesting to know is VAT the same as Sales
tax , I saw many discussions about this in the mail list, and as I see VAT
is the same as Sales tax. Ok.

According to VAT, all order items and invoice items must have VAT. In OFBiz,
adjustments are additional things and services! *Shipping charge* is the
service adjustment. Fortunately, OFBiz can tax it.

Conclusion,
for VAT users it is important to have the correct orders and invoices. They
are correct, when they have all necessary items and adjustments, plus tax
(VAT). Currently, the orders and invoices are not correct if a company use
additional adjustments (not shipping and promotion), because they can not be
taxed. To fix it, the company must edit each order manually. When you add
additional tax for some adjustments, OFBiz makes tax recalculation according
to its internal tax model and compensate additional tax by tax deduction.
This tax deduction must be removed manually. As result ,we have manual,
unhandy and error risky tax calculation. Each order must be reworked.

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Kind regards,
Sergei
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Re: Trunk demo error

I check using tracert. Use tracetroute.org to test from different places.
 corv-car1-gw.nero.net [207.98.64.177]
 ofbiz-vm2.apache.org [140.211.11.51]
showed high time to live
above 200 ms


Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 12/5/2011 2:21 PM:
 Currently trunk is slow, and I'm not sure why. We will see tomorrow
 morning now (it's already late here)
 But it builds since I systematically revert r1202849  from where the
 build problem comes. You may try that if you get the same, I thought you
 were aware
 
 Jacques
 
 From: Tolu Williams tolu.willi...@cultureshockmedia.com
 Does anyone here have any clue why the demo server build would be
 failing?

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Re: APACHE_OFBIZ_HTML