RE: no wiki problem
I will resurrect myself from the dead, to say that Garry must go. Now. I have waited a long time to say that. He was given a second chance, probably more than once, before and he continues to abuse the priviledge. If he does not go, I suggest we take the mailing list to a new forum and ban his account. Miles/.. (sorry Vesa, but it has to be said) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boris Jahn Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 4:36 PM To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Subject: Re: no wiki problem Jason you lost Vesa's game! I've been over ten years on this list but there has never been so much negative energy. Garry (right with two "R") tries to destroy this list. Unfotunately the mailinglist admin seems to be tolerating pissing and spitting on the most gratefull artists. I was considering the first time since I'm here to leave the list. It's a big big shame that an amoeba from budweiser and stripbar can bring so much trouble here. First he asked for tutorials, then he gets them, oki then he asks for project files. I guess he needs them to make the first great image on his renderfarm. Man ... my bloodpressure goes now nowhere and I can't understand what's going on. Toleration has somewhere it's end. For me it's since last week reached. Bye Boris > This is not what you asked for Gary ? > > You got know where near asking for this. Instead you were abusive to me and > eventually my wife for no founded reason other than your frustration of the > lists lack of response to your general ranting. You accused me of giving > nothing to the list of which I have disproved with these previously > mentioned emails alone and my years of contributions to the beta testing and > development which you have never been privee to see and could not possibly > have any idea of what you are talking about. > > I have shown you in the previous emails my working methods which have NO > GREAT SECRET you keep eluding to, just hard work of tweaking and testing. > You now choose to ignore this information as I have proved you wrong and > instead find a new reason to complain to me and others. > > Why was I suddenly to be named as solely responsible for the Realsoft user > list demise in your previous email, when GI is only a small part of Realsoft > 3D ? You chose to slander and critisize me and now I have proved your > accusations to be misplaced you still cannot bring yourself to apologise > for your behaviour. I am amazed you are still allowed to voice your opinion > on this list and hope you are not permitted to speak to anyone else the way > you have to me ever again. > > What is so odd is that you could have asked me in a nice pleasant manner as > you have managed to do in the past and I would have no doubt found the time > to answer your concerns as best I could. > > You contradict yourself over and over. If you know GI very well then you > can surely apply a sky texture map as an illumination channel in a single > shader to a skydome sphere, throw in your scene, a GI shader, a light and > tweak the controls as explained. This is no secret and it's how I make my > images as I have told you over and over. You clearly have a lot more time > than many of us here, so if you are not doing it for you alone, perhaps you > can put your time where your mouse is and upload the project file yourself. > > > > > > Somehow , you 2 percieve a tiny possibility that I am > > asking for myself . If I was , I wouldn't attemp to shame > > someone into finally sharing some concrete tutorials , of > > course . > > Shame someone into creating concrete tutorials ??? None of us are under any > obligation to provide any tutorials especially in the manner in which you > ask. This kind of pressure would scare people away as they would feel any > kind of presence on the list would warrant they must create a tutorial to > stay around. This is a free community list to help each other out as and > when we can and know how to. > > What you are suggesting is re-inventing the user list into a different > approach from what we have come to know. While you do have some points that > are worth discussing as you and the list currently are, your approach to > saving good information is entirely different. > > > > What I was actually trying to accomplish , was to once > > again point out that the Realsoft3D community's success > > hinges on selfless giving and sharing via HTML tutorials . > > > > Not by firing off emails while at work , or showing us > > yet another awesome render . > > > > Garry > > Considering my work often starts at 8am and finishes between 8pm and 4am the > next morning I do not know when else I am supposed to email the list Gary... > really what planet are you on... it is now a crime to respond to the list > while I am at work ??? I also promise not to post any more renders to the > list if that will keep you happy as it clearly irritates you. > > Now anyone el
Re: no wiki problem
Jason you lost Vesa's game! I've been over ten years on this list but there has never been so much negative energy. Garry (right with two "R") tries to destroy this list. Unfotunately the mailinglist admin seems to be tolerating pissing and spitting on the most gratefull artists. I was considering the first time since I'm here to leave the list. It's a big big shame that an amoeba from budweiser and stripbar can bring so much trouble here. First he asked for tutorials, then he gets them, oki then he asks for project files. I guess he needs them to make the first great image on his renderfarm. Man ... my bloodpressure goes now nowhere and I can't understand what's going on. Toleration has somewhere it's end. For me it's since last week reached. Bye Boris > This is not what you asked for Gary ? > > You got know where near asking for this. Instead you were abusive to me and > eventually my wife for no founded reason other than your frustration of the > lists lack of response to your general ranting. You accused me of giving > nothing to the list of which I have disproved with these previously > mentioned emails alone and my years of contributions to the beta testing and > development which you have never been privee to see and could not possibly > have any idea of what you are talking about. > > I have shown you in the previous emails my working methods which have NO > GREAT SECRET you keep eluding to, just hard work of tweaking and testing. > You now choose to ignore this information as I have proved you wrong and > instead find a new reason to complain to me and others. > > Why was I suddenly to be named as solely responsible for the Realsoft user > list demise in your previous email, when GI is only a small part of Realsoft > 3D ? You chose to slander and critisize me and now I have proved your > accusations to be misplaced you still cannot bring yourself to apologise > for your behaviour. I am amazed you are still allowed to voice your opinion > on this list and hope you are not permitted to speak to anyone else the way > you have to me ever again. > > What is so odd is that you could have asked me in a nice pleasant manner as > you have managed to do in the past and I would have no doubt found the time > to answer your concerns as best I could. > > You contradict yourself over and over. If you know GI very well then you > can surely apply a sky texture map as an illumination channel in a single > shader to a skydome sphere, throw in your scene, a GI shader, a light and > tweak the controls as explained. This is no secret and it's how I make my > images as I have told you over and over. You clearly have a lot more time > than many of us here, so if you are not doing it for you alone, perhaps you > can put your time where your mouse is and upload the project file yourself. > > > > > > Somehow , you 2 percieve a tiny possibility that I am > > asking for myself . If I was , I wouldn't attemp to shame > > someone into finally sharing some concrete tutorials , of > > course . > > Shame someone into creating concrete tutorials ??? None of us are under any > obligation to provide any tutorials especially in the manner in which you > ask. This kind of pressure would scare people away as they would feel any > kind of presence on the list would warrant they must create a tutorial to > stay around. This is a free community list to help each other out as and > when we can and know how to. > > What you are suggesting is re-inventing the user list into a different > approach from what we have come to know. While you do have some points that > are worth discussing as you and the list currently are, your approach to > saving good information is entirely different. > > > > What I was actually trying to accomplish , was to once > > again point out that the Realsoft3D community's success > > hinges on selfless giving and sharing via HTML tutorials . > > > > Not by firing off emails while at work , or showing us > > yet another awesome render . > > > > Garry > > Considering my work often starts at 8am and finishes between 8pm and 4am the > next morning I do not know when else I am supposed to email the list Gary... > really what planet are you on... it is now a crime to respond to the list > while I am at work ??? I also promise not to post any more renders to the > list if that will keep you happy as it clearly irritates you. > > Now anyone else who would like to post a good image will now have to > think... hmmm if I post this image I am happy with, while I have 2 minutes > to upload it during my busy day. Will I get lambasted by Gary for not also > handing over the project file and a tutorial of how I did it This which I > do not have the time to do and my client would not allow me to release > publicly anyway hmmm maybe I better not upload it after all... another > good piece of work lost in cyber ether for no reason. > > With your approach the list falls apart a lot quicker as no o
Re: no wiki problem
Gary Thanks for the offer , but I have a very elaborate archive that goes way-way back to V3.x . I feel that I should put you straight , however . I wasn't asking for help from anyone . I was suggesting that those with advanced knowledge share it with the community . You and Jason are telling me how I should work hard and learn , but I've known that for many years now . I wasn't suggesting that Jason create an advanced Gi tutorial for me , I feel I have a very good grasp on RS3D Gi now for the last 2 years . I was suggesting Jason share some of his project files , or at least create a project file that he could share , so _THE REST_ of the community could begin to come to grips wuth RS3D Gi This is not what you asked for Gary ? You got know where near asking for this. Instead you were abusive to me and eventually my wife for no founded reason other than your frustration of the lists lack of response to your general ranting. You accused me of giving nothing to the list of which I have disproved with these previously mentioned emails alone and my years of contributions to the beta testing and development which you have never been privee to see and could not possibly have any idea of what you are talking about. I have shown you in the previous emails my working methods which have NO GREAT SECRET you keep eluding to, just hard work of tweaking and testing. You now choose to ignore this information as I have proved you wrong and instead find a new reason to complain to me and others. Why was I suddenly to be named as solely responsible for the Realsoft user list demise in your previous email, when GI is only a small part of Realsoft 3D ? You chose to slander and critisize me and now I have proved your accusations to be misplaced you still cannot bring yourself to apologise for your behaviour. I am amazed you are still allowed to voice your opinion on this list and hope you are not permitted to speak to anyone else the way you have to me ever again. What is so odd is that you could have asked me in a nice pleasant manner as you have managed to do in the past and I would have no doubt found the time to answer your concerns as best I could. You contradict yourself over and over. If you know GI very well then you can surely apply a sky texture map as an illumination channel in a single shader to a skydome sphere, throw in your scene, a GI shader, a light and tweak the controls as explained. This is no secret and it's how I make my images as I have told you over and over. You clearly have a lot more time than many of us here, so if you are not doing it for you alone, perhaps you can put your time where your mouse is and upload the project file yourself. Somehow , you 2 percieve a tiny possibility that I am asking for myself . If I was , I wouldn't attemp to shame someone into finally sharing some concrete tutorials , of course . Shame someone into creating concrete tutorials ??? None of us are under any obligation to provide any tutorials especially in the manner in which you ask. This kind of pressure would scare people away as they would feel any kind of presence on the list would warrant they must create a tutorial to stay around. This is a free community list to help each other out as and when we can and know how to. What you are suggesting is re-inventing the user list into a different approach from what we have come to know. While you do have some points that are worth discussing as you and the list currently are, your approach to saving good information is entirely different. What I was actually trying to accomplish , was to once again point out that the Realsoft3D community's success hinges on selfless giving and sharing via HTML tutorials . Not by firing off emails while at work , or showing us yet another awesome render . Garry Considering my work often starts at 8am and finishes between 8pm and 4am the next morning I do not know when else I am supposed to email the list Gary... really what planet are you on... it is now a crime to respond to the list while I am at work ??? I also promise not to post any more renders to the list if that will keep you happy as it clearly irritates you. Now anyone else who would like to post a good image will now have to think... hmmm if I post this image I am happy with, while I have 2 minutes to upload it during my busy day. Will I get lambasted by Gary for not also handing over the project file and a tutorial of how I did it This which I do not have the time to do and my client would not allow me to release publicly anyway hmmm maybe I better not upload it after all... another good piece of work lost in cyber ether for no reason. With your approach the list falls apart a lot quicker as no one will see any inspiring work any more. Jason
