Re: Some problems installing dragonFly BSD. Can anybody help?
Dear Justin On 07/05/2011 01:14, Justin Sherrill wrote: 5. I was expecting FVWM as the window manager: I thought the docs said that was the default. Presumably I can change the window manager. Should it have been FVWM? Is the fact that I got TWM instead a symptom that some config was wrong? If the original poster was running as a newly created user rather than root, that may be why. I don't think the default GUI config is added to new user profiles; just the root one present at install. That's exactly what was happening, thanks. Just now I logged in as root and started X, and got fvwm. Also, exiting X back to the console went smoothly. One thing that happened both times: on startx, the laptop screen filled with semi-random-looking blocks of colour for a split second before going into the wm. I think I've seen this before on some linux installs. Presumably X is configured to some default (vesa?) and not the particular graphics card, screen, etc., I have on my laptop. I'll go through comments as time allows, ironing out the glitches on my laptop, and write up once everything's working. As no-one has said anything like you have completely ballsed up your installation! I shan't reinstall (unless advised otherwise). Although installing DragonFly on a virtual machine (e.g., VirtualBox) is a good idea, many of my symptoms seem to be to do with the particular hardware of the laptop. so I'll continue with the real machine for now. Thanks again to everyone for help. Best wishes Ivan -- Ivan A. Uemlianin Speech Technology Research and Development i...@llaisdy.com www.llaisdy.com llaisdy.wordpress.com www.linkedin.com/in/ivanuemlianin Froh, froh! Wie seine Sonnen, seine Sonnen fliegen (Schiller, Beethoven)
Re: Some problems installing dragonFly BSD. Can anybody help?
On Montag, 9. Mai 2011 at 09:47, Ivan Uemlianin wrote: One thing that happened both times: on startx, the laptop screen filled with semi-random-looking blocks of colour for a split second before going into the wm. I think I've seen this before on some linux installs. Presumably X is configured to some default (vesa?) and not the particular graphics card, screen, etc., I have on my laptop. I don't think that's anything to worry about … I've once seen what I had on screen before the last reboot, so I guess this is just random contents of video RAM being displayed before anything is drawn over them. On Samstag, 7. Mai 2011 at 17:44, Justin Sherrill wrote: This is a new bug, then, cause I think the original ath(4) problem is fixed. I don't have the right laptop and wireless combo to test. In any case, you may want to file a report including the network encryption type. From what I can tell from [1] this has not been fixed. I can still file a report if that helps? Also note that I have control over the WLAN router (other than my flatmates kicking me when I kill their internet), so if I can provide any additional info / try anything out let me know. Re: IO APIC Disabling IO APIC didn't help with the SMP kernel, it complains about lapic initialization before dropping to the debugger (is there a LAPIC loader tunable? I can't find any documentation on this or hw.apic_io_enable). Are SMP kernels on UP machines *supposed* to work anyway? -matthiasr [1] http://gitweb.dragonflybsd.org/dragonfly.git/history/HEAD:/sys/dev/netif/ath
Re: Some problems installing dragonFly BSD. Can anybody help?
I agree on the random video RAM contents thing - that would have been my first guess. The wireless connection Matt and I both had trouble with, with ath(4), was using WPA2, though I don't know the device. If you want to try different setups and see what works and what doesn't, that would make a useful report. Maybe set sysctl kern.emergency_intr_enable=1? I don't remember if that's already been suggested, or if that would apply in this case. On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 4:49 AM, Matthias Rampke matthias.ram...@googlemail.com wrote: On Montag, 9. Mai 2011 at 09:47, Ivan Uemlianin wrote: One thing that happened both times: on startx, the laptop screen filled with semi-random-looking blocks of colour for a split second before going into the wm. I think I've seen this before on some linux installs. Presumably X is configured to some default (vesa?) and not the particular graphics card, screen, etc., I have on my laptop. I don't think that's anything to worry about … I've once seen what I had on screen before the last reboot, so I guess this is just random contents of video RAM being displayed before anything is drawn over them. On Samstag, 7. Mai 2011 at 17:44, Justin Sherrill wrote: This is a new bug, then, cause I think the original ath(4) problem is fixed. I don't have the right laptop and wireless combo to test. In any case, you may want to file a report including the network encryption type. From what I can tell from [1] this has not been fixed. I can still file a report if that helps? Also note that I have control over the WLAN router (other than my flatmates kicking me when I kill their internet), so if I can provide any additional info / try anything out let me know. Re: IO APIC Disabling IO APIC didn't help with the SMP kernel, it complains about lapic initialization before dropping to the debugger (is there a LAPIC loader tunable? I can't find any documentation on this or hw.apic_io_enable). Are SMP kernels on UP machines *supposed* to work anyway? -matthiasr [1] http://gitweb.dragonflybsd.org/dragonfly.git/history/HEAD:/sys/dev/netif/ath
Re: Some problems installing dragonFly BSD. Can anybody help?
On Fri, 6 May 2011, Justin Sherrill wrote: sysctl net.wlan.force_swcrypto=1 may help. http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/commits/2010-11/msg00169.html Works for me. Thank you! -matthiasr
Re: Some problems installing dragonFly BSD. Can anybody help?
This is a new bug, then, cause I think the original ath(4) problem is fixed. I don't have the right laptop and wireless combo to test. In any case, you may want to file a report including the network encryption type. On May 7, 2011 4:16 AM, Matthias Rampke matth...@rampke.de wrote: On Fri, 6 May 2011, Justin Sherrill wrote: sysctl net.wlan.force_swcrypto=1 may help. http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/commits/2010-11/msg00169.html Works for me. Thank you! -matthiasr
Re: Some problems installing dragonFly BSD. Can anybody help?
At least output of dmesg, pciconf and probably pictures of those debugger output will be fine. On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Ivan Uemlianin i...@llaisdy.com wrote: Dear All I am installing DragonFly BSD onto a Thinkpad X60. Actually, I have installed it, but perhaps not correctly. Below are my symptoms. Please can anybody help with any of them? Some background: I am fairly familiar with Unix-like operating systems (long time fan of Debian GNU/Linux; currently using MacOS X), but I don't have a sysadmin background. One of my reasons for installing DragonFly BSD is to learn. I plan to blog as I go (e.g., I've just written a note on getting the image onto a USB stick: http://llaisdy.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/dragonfly-bsd-copying-the-image-onto-a-usb-stick-under-macos-x/). I installed dfly-i386-gui-2.10.1_REL.img from a USB stick. Symptoms: Major: 1. After the post-installation configuration step, I chose reboot. While rebooting, the system seemed to crash and I ended up inside a debugger. However, after a successful shutdown and reboot, the system seemed to run OK. 2. During configuration dhcp seemed to find the network (at least, a dialogue appeared, giving me some info ending with Status: Active), but after I'd rebooted into X and launched Firefox, Firefox could not find external urls. So, perhaps dhcp didn't work and I should configure the network manually. 3. The window manager is TWM. On exiting TWM, the screen froze and didn't return me to the console. I had to go to another console and kill X manually. Minor: 4. I don't think I set the correct keyboard map (and/or screen map?). Most of the keyboard works as it should, but shift-3 does not produce the expected £ --- it doesn't produce anything, so maybe the keyboard map is OK but the screen map is wrong? 5. I was expecting FVWM as the window manager: I thought the docs said that was the default. Presumably I can change the window manager. Should it have been FVWM? Is the fact that I got TWM instead a symptom that some config was wrong? All in all, it doesn't look very healthy. Can anybody indicate what might have gone wrong? Or, if I re-install, what signals I should be looking out for? With thanks and best wishes Ivan -- Ivan A. Uemlianin Speech Technology Research and Development i...@llaisdy.com www.llaisdy.com llaisdy.wordpress.com www.linkedin.com/in/ivanuemlianin Froh, froh! Wie seine Sonnen, seine Sonnen fliegen (Schiller, Beethoven)
Re: Some problems installing dragonFly BSD. Can anybody help?
On Freitag, 6. Mai 2011 at 15:30, Ivan Uemlianin wrote: Dear All I am installing DragonFly BSD onto a Thinkpad X60. I recently installed on a X40, so let's see. There is also a page on the Website about the T42[1] and the X61s[2], especially most of the latter should apply to your case as well. Symptoms: Major: 1. After the post-installation configuration step, I chose reboot. While rebooting, the system seemed to crash and I ended up inside a debugger. However, after a successful shutdown and reboot, the system seemed to run OK. From what I gather SMP Kernels with IO APIC enabled don't work. I just settled on using UP since I only have one core anyway. You may try setting hw.apic_io_enable=0 in /boot/loader.conf 2. During configuration dhcp seemed to find the network (at least, a dialogue appeared, giving me some info ending with Status: Active), but after I'd rebooted into X and launched Firefox, Firefox could not find external urls. So, perhaps dhcp didn't work and I should configure the network manually. Is this on the WLAN? Which card? I'm having massive trouble getting ath(4) to work with most WLAN routers, e.g. I don't receive the DHCPOFFERs from my home WLAN. My phone's WiFi hotspot (Motorola Milestone / CyanogenMod 6) works perfectly, though. I'm sorry I haven't gotten around to reporting this properly yet. 3. The window manager is TWM. On exiting TWM, the screen froze and didn't return me to the console. I had to go to another console and kill X manually. When it freezes, what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say? Minor: 4. I don't think I set the correct keyboard map (and/or screen map?). Most of the keyboard works as it should, but shift-3 does not produce the expected £ --- it doesn't produce anything, so maybe the keyboard map is OK but the screen map is wrong? Which layout are you expecting to use, and what are the respective lines in /etc/rc.conf? 5. I was expecting FVWM as the window manager: I thought the docs said that was the default. Presumably I can change the window manager. Should it have been FVWM? Is the fact that I got TWM instead a symptom that some config was wrong? Probably ... (I'm not using the GUI image, so rather wild guessing here). You could a) check that FVWM2 is installed (just run fvwm2 from within twm) b) add exec fvwm2 as the last line of your $HOME/.xsession (and check that it is the *only* exec line, of course) All in all, it doesn't look very healthy. Can anybody indicate what might have gone wrong? Or, if I re-install, what signals I should be looking out for? It's not so bad :) Regards, matthiasr [1] http://www.dragonflybsd.org/docs/user/ThinkpadT42/ [2] http://www.dragonflybsd.org/docs/user/ThinkpadX61s/
Re: Some problems installing dragonFly BSD. Can anybody help?
Dear Tomas and Matthias Thanks for these leads. I'll investigate and report back. Best wishes Ivan -- Ivan A. Uemlianin Speech Technology Research and Development i...@llaisdy.com www.llaisdy.com llaisdy.wordpress.com www.linkedin.com/in/ivanuemlianin Froh, froh! Wie seine Sonnen, seine Sonnen fliegen (Schiller, Beethoven)
Re: Some problems installing dragonFly BSD. Can anybody help?
Maybe you should try no-gui DFBSD image, perhaps in VirtualBox (?) - it works fine on Mac OS X. That way, you can install configure all your needed stuff from the ground up (xorg, window manager, pkgsrc etc.) and copy most config files on your real DF system. Klanger Dnia 6-05-2011 o godz. 16:41 Ivan Uemlianin napisał(a): Dear Tomas and Matthias Thanks for these leads. I'll investigate and report back. Best wishes Ivan -- Ivan A. Uemlianin Speech Technology Research and Development i...@llaisdy.com www.llaisdy.com llaisdy.wordpress.com www.linkedin.com/in/ivanuemlianin Froh, froh! Wie seine Sonnen, seine Sonnen fliegen (Schiller, Beethoven)
Re: Some problems installing dragonFly BSD. Can anybody help?
That's a good idea (and I have vbox to hand). Many of the problems relate to the particular hardware (e.g., configuring the network), but I could at least iron out the other problems. Thanks Ivan On 06/05/2011 15:54, Krzysztof Langer wrote: Maybe you should try no-gui DFBSD image, perhaps in VirtualBox (?) - it works fine on Mac OS X. That way, you can install configure all your needed stuff from the ground up (xorg, window manager, pkgsrc etc.) and copy most config files on your real DF system. Klanger Dnia 6-05-2011 o godz. 16:41 Ivan Uemlianin napisał(a): Dear Tomas and Matthias Thanks for these leads. I'll investigate and report back. Best wishes Ivan -- Ivan A. Uemlianin Speech Technology Research and Development i...@llaisdy.com www.llaisdy.com llaisdy.wordpress.com www.linkedin.com/in/ivanuemlianin Froh, froh! Wie seine Sonnen, seine Sonnen fliegen (Schiller, Beethoven) -- Ivan A. Uemlianin Speech Technology Research and Development i...@llaisdy.com www.llaisdy.com llaisdy.wordpress.com www.linkedin.com/in/ivanuemlianin Froh, froh! Wie seine Sonnen, seine Sonnen fliegen (Schiller, Beethoven)
Re: Some problems installing dragonFly BSD. Can anybody help?
On Freitag, 6. Mai 2011 at 16:03, Matthias Rampke wrote: From what I gather SMP Kernels with IO APIC enabled don't work. I just settled on using UP since I only have one core anyway. You may try setting hw.apic_io_enable=0 in /boot/loader.conf Sorry, that wasn't worded well. I meant to say that SMP + IO APIC doesn't seem to work with x40/x60-ish ThinkPads, so this is very probably a ThinkPad specific issue, not a DragonFly issue. -matthiasr
