Re: cvsupfile targets
On 2005-08-01 10:15, Yiorgos Adamopoulos wrote: I have gotten a little confused with the cvsupfile targets one can have to download the sources. From what I gather: *default release=cvs tag=DragonFly_Preview - PREVIEW *default release=cvs tag=. - HEAD right? And what is the tag for STABLE ? *default release=cvs tag=DragonFly_RELEASE_1_2_Slip In /usr/share/examples/cvsup you'll find pre-made sup-files which, with little or no modification, will give what you want. -- Erik Wikström
Re: cvsupfile targets
On 2005-08-01 20:53, Justin C. Sherrill wrote: On Mon, August 1, 2005 2:45 pm, George Georgalis said: On Mon, Aug 01, 2005 at 09:08:27AM -0400, Justin C. Sherrill wrote: HEAD is for people who like troubleshooting strange errors. RELEASE_x.x is for people who don't like anything to go bad, ever. I run RELEASE_x.x on my home server, for instance, because I can't have that go down. I thought RELEASE_x.x_Slip is considered the most stable tag, because it only picks up release commits (ie security or bugfix); but it won't contain half a commit as the cvs tree might, if you checkout while files with those tags are being committed. What's the difference between RELEASE_x.x and RELEASE_x.x_Slip? I'm all unsure now. RELEASE_x.x will give you that release while RELEASE_x.x_Slip will give you RELEASE_x.x.y for the highest available y, which will be the release plus bugfixes. So RELEASE_1.2 will give you DragonFly 1.2 while RELEASE_1.2_Slip will give you DragonFly 1.2.5. -- Erik Wikström
Re: cvsupfile targets
On 2005-08-01 20:14, Guillermo Garcia Rojas wrote: Is Preview slipped? Yes, so if you are already running a quite current Preview then you won't get anything new until it has been slipped again, which should happen quite soon by the looks of it. -- Erik Wikström
Re: about the snapshots
On 2005-08-19 15:54, Justin C. Sherrill wrote: On Fri, August 19, 2005 8:28 am, Richard Nyberg said: o What does 2CSNAP mean? I think that's short for Corecode snapshot? o Is Release-1.2 release 1.2.0 or the latest release 1.2.x? It's the latest, as far as I know. o Which compiler version is used for building Release-1.2? 2.95. Wouldn't it be 3.4 by now? I thought that 2.95 didn't support TLS and had been removed from alltogether. -- Erik Wikström
Re: pebkac routing problem
On 2005-10-06 21:40, Martin P. Hellwig wrote: My conclusion where that the package always return via the default gateway and thus get blocked by the next hop gateway which (reasonable) blocks routing for foreign IP's. My question is, how can I configure my BSD box, that a IP package is always returned to the gateway it came from when? Not sure if it's the best way of doing things, but you might be interested in the reply-to option of PF, from the man-page: It can be used on systems with multiple external connections to route all outgoing packets of a connection through the interface the incoming connection arrived through (symmetric routing enforcement). -- Erik Wikström
Re: recommend kvm switch
On 2005-11-30 22:14, Bob Bagwill wrote: Can anyone recommend a really bullet-proof 2 or 4 port kvm switch (that's DBSD compatible)? Thanks. I've been using a Belkin 2-port for years now without any problems, fist got a D-Link but it was crappy (the video signal was bad).The only problem I've found is that if you power of the computer you are working with you can not switch to the other using the keyboard. The one I've got is F1DD102U, they have some newer and smaller version but I don't know anything about it. Erik Wikström -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone -- Bjarne Stroustrup
Re: DP performance
On 2005-12-02 19:16, Danial Thom wrote: All of the empirical evidence points to Matt being wrong. If you still can't accept that then DFLY is more of a religion than a project, which is damn shame. DT Since I don't know anything about networking at GigE-speed I find this whole diskussion very interesting and I hope to learn something new. However, as always when two people both believe they are right, it's hard for me to really choos whom to trust. However Matt has provided some arguments that I find very convincing (calculations and reasoning). Now, since you say that all empirical evidence suggest that he is wrong I suppose that you have some other numbers (wouldn't be very empirical otherwise would it?) that you could show me (like benchmarking or such). Then I might decide what to think when I've seen both sides arguments. Erik Wikström -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone -- Bjarne Stroustrup
Re: Fwd: How do I instal Dragonfly BSD from a hard drive - rather than CD?
On 2005-12-16 12:34, Martin P. Hellwig wrote: Emiel Kollof wrote: Hi guys, Forwarded to the users list (The forwarded post is below) and also a reply to this guy. I know it's a troll, but I thought it was way too funny for you guys to miss. It nearly made me choke on my morning coffee. This guy owes me a new keyboard because coffee | nose keyboard. Thank you a lot Emiel ... so ... anybody got a good idea how to get that caffeine beverage out of your laptop, my hard drive is making slurpy noises ;-) Turn the power of, remove the batery, (disassemble if you want) and wash it with water and then let it dry. There's really nothing in the computer that should break because of water, but it might break if there is still some water in it when you power it on. Note however that I've never tried this with a laptop only mobile phones. Erik Wikström -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone -- Bjarne Stroustrup
Re: cdrecord
On 2005-12-22 21:42, Ezra Drummond wrote: Hi guys i just want you to know that running, #cdrecord -scanbus produces this error:Cdrecord 2.00.3 (--) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jorg Schilling cdrecord: No local SCSI transport implementation for this architecture. Just to be sure, you've got SCSI and SCSI-emulation compiled in? Erik Wikström -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone -- Bjarne Stroustrup
Re: learning c programming
On 2006-01-02 15:28, Terry Tree wrote: Anyone used these tapes before http://www.mixsoftware.com/product/cvidfn.htm ? I'm wondering if they are worth $299. What do you guys think ? My highly subjective oppinion: For the same price you'll get a couple of high quality books and while it might be harder (and take longer) to read them I'm quite sure that you'll learn more that way. And the books are much better when used as a reference. For a list of good books check out http://www.accu.org/bookreviews/public/ or ask in http://www.accu.org/bookreviews/public/ Erik Wikström -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone -- Bjarne Stroustrup
Re: learning c programming
On 2006-01-02 15:56, Erik Wikström wrote: On 2006-01-02 15:28, Terry Tree wrote: Anyone used these tapes before http://www.mixsoftware.com/product/cvidfn.htm ? I'm wondering if they are worth $299. What do you guys think ? My highly subjective oppinion: For the same price you'll get a couple of high quality books and while it might be harder (and take longer) to read them I'm quite sure that you'll learn more that way. And the books are much better when used as a reference. For a list of good books check out http://www.accu.org/bookreviews/public/ or ask in http://www.accu.org/bookreviews/public/ Should have been alt.comp.lang.learn.c-c++ Erik Wikström -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone -- Bjarne Stroustrup
Re: Subversion for DF sources
On 2006-01-12 14:29, Erik Wikström wrote: On 2006-01-12 05:43, Nigel Weeks wrote: A week or so ago, a discussion rattled around about cvsup being written in c++. What about launching into it, and moving to subversion instead? That way, the updater could be included in the base system, as it's c++ AND BSD licenced. Probably great scads or work, but it might be a good idea. Hot sure that solves the problem, to my (limited) understanding the problem is not with CVS per se (though there are problems with that too) but rather with checking out the whole repository at once. Using normal CVS this is not very efficient and CVSup is. The question then is how efficient subversion is. (Someone who knows please confirm/deny.) To correct myself: using cvsup you can get a copy of the repo and work against it localy, which you can't do with just cvs, don't know if you can get a local copy of the repo with subversion. Erik Wikström -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone -- Bjarne Stroustrup
Re: C++ compilations times
On 2006-01-19 16:31, Antonio Bravo wrote: Curious about getting documentation or tips if possible. I have build JDK14 yesterday from pkgsrc/wip and it took more than 6 hours on a box where the same JDK is built in about 3 hours for NetBSD or OpenBSD... Similar thing do happen with the other c++ beasts like KDE, it takes roughly more x2 time to build.Insane. I know zero about c++, but if someone can point to some docs about that issue I will appreciate much.Thanks! Are you using the same version of gcc? I seem to recall that there were some performance issues about C++, but that might have been gcc 4. Erik Wikström -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone -- Bjarne Stroustrup
Re: (u)ral driver
On 2006-02-15 21:44, Chris Rawnsley wrote: Hello, I am fairly new to DragonFlyBSD and Unix's (or is it better to say *nix's? :O Trademark issues!!) in general. I have fiddled around with Gentoo, Ubuntu, FreeBSD and now DragonFly BSD. Now I know that I am probably perhaps sticking myself in the deep end, but so far I am impressed with the BSDs more than GNU/Linux as everything seems more solid. More impressed with DragonFly over FreeBSD as it seems to be moving forward rather than clinging to the past. Anyway, babbling over! I have a D-Link DWL-G122 with a Ralink rt2500 chipset. Under FreeBSD, I got this working using the ral(4) driver. I have looked for information on how I might get this working in DragonFly and I found this: http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/users/2005-10/msg00063.html Unfortuantly, with my lack of experience, I wasn't quite sure what a diff file does. I tried to find out a bit and I understand that you use the patch command to apply it to sources. Next problem; what sources? I've looked inside the diff file and seen a few references but I am not sure exactly what I want. From looking at the patch it seems that the /usr/src/sys directory is the right one (but I'm not to good with patches). So what to do would be to get the sources if you haven't done so already (use cvsup and the appropriate file in /usr/share/examples/cvsup) and then to un-compress the patch somewhere (/tmp). Then go to the /usr/src/sys and type patch /tmp/ral.diff and hope that the patch applies cleanly. If it doesn't it means that the source has changed too much since the patch was made. It might still be possible to fix those parts of the patch that didn't apply by manually editing the source if the differance isn't to big (or you know what you are doing). Erik Wikström -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone -- Bjarne Stroustrup
Re: UNIX
On 2006-02-23 22:02, Chris Rawnsley wrote: Very interesting. Well now that I know I will try and be a little more careful in how I refer to it. If it is all capitalised that would lead me to believe that it stood for something, but I can't find anything on the matter. Do you know why it is capialised and/or do you know the reason they chose the name? Chris UNiplexed Information and Computing System, according to wikipedia (replaced the last C and S with an X). I believe that the name has something to do with MULTICS (Multiplexed Information and Computing System?), but exactly what the differance between multiplexed and uniplexid is I don't know. Erik Wikström -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone -- Bjarne Stroustrup
Re: bsdtalk022 - Interview with Matthew Dillon from DragonFly BSD
On 2006-03-08 10:48, Steve Mynott wrote: Matt on bsdtalk podcast! http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ Sync'd through to my iPod fine and I listened to it on the train to work - very interesting! Cheers Steve This reminded me of the (perhaps slightly old) BayLISA-talk which is now available for our pleasure at Google Video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3205048442935479525q=baylisa The slides can be found at: http://www.dragonflybsd.org/docs/ (it's so much simpler to understand while watching the video). Erik Wikström -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone -- Bjarne Stroustrup
Re: seeking laptop users
On 2006-03-19 01:37, Justin C. Sherrill wrote: Because of recent circumstances, I'm looking for at least 1 'new' laptop. Is there anyone using DragonFly on a laptop not mentioned here? I have a IBM T41, but unfortunately I have not been able to use DFly much lately, however everything seems to be working. I'm running 1.5 from late February patched with the ath(4)-patch from Adrian. http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/submit/2006-02/msg00036.html dmesg: http://www.itstud.chalmers.se/~eriwik/dmesg pciconf: http://www.itstud.chalmers.se/~eriwik/pciconf Erik Wikström -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone -- Bjarne Stroustrup
Re: overheating laptop when running cpu emulator
On 2006-03-27 20:34, Jake Maciejewski wrote: Do you have the laptop resting on a flat surface? My University used Compaq and HP laptops (I have an n800w), and the solution to overheating that I always heard from fellow students was to not leave the laptop on flat surfaces. They'd prop laptops up with all sorts of things like erasers, triangular drafting scales, and folded paper. Also, are those temperatures supposed to be Celsius? I'm nut sure about Pentium Ms, but 100F wouldn't be hot for most modern CPUs. On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 12:01 -0500, Joe Talbott wrote: Hi, My laptop (HP nc8000) overheats (85-100F) when running cpu simulators like bochs and simulavr. I guess this is a hardware problem but wanted to rule out any misconfigurations on my part or software issues that may be related. The laptop doesn't overheat during buildworlds though this isn't a constant CPU workout either. Included is a copy of /var/run/dmesg.boot and my kernel config file. 100F would be quite cool, perhaps even for a Pentium M (~37C). On the other hand 100C would be quite hot, especially for a mobile processor, are you sure that your fan is working and that the heatsink hasn't come loose? Erik Wikström -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone -- Bjarne Stroustrup
Re: installing DFly over third partition
On 2006-04-13 19:36, Saverio Iacovelli wrote: Severino, you can used fdisk as usual. Make a partition for DragonFly, then boot from the DragonFly CD. There's an option to use a part of a harddisk for the installation. DFLY makes his slices then in the selected partition. I use grub here as a boot manager, tri-booting Linux, GNU/Hurd and DFly without problems (that means, I didn't let the DFly installation set up its own boot manager). Thomas I readed the fdisk's man page, but I not found the response. I want choose the size in MB (or in GB) with fdisk. Fdisk (in DragonFly) have this feature? If I remember correctly you can not use the DragonFly fdisk to create the partition (or I just didn't know how to use it) but if you boot into Linux and use fdisk there it should work just as fine. Erik Wikström -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone -- Bjarne Stroustrup
Re: GNU make not installed
On 2006-04-19 19:37, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 12:37:31PM -0400, Justin C. Sherrill wrote: On Wed, April 19, 2006 9:19 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 09:06:37AM -0400, Justin C. Sherrill wrote: Is there a reason we would not want this to be default behavior? i.e. release with DEPENDS_TARGET and BINPKG_SITES defined? Because you want to build from source to get specific options etc.? BINPKG_SITES with a default value would make sense though. Wouldn't people who want to build from source with specific options be doing 'bmake (options) install? Depends. I *think* it is more common to place them in /etc/mk.conf, but that might differ. I thought that you placed the options in mk.conf to avoid having to put them all on the command-line. Erik Wikström -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone -- Bjarne Stroustrup
Re: Thinkpad 570E and Cardbus errors
On 2006-04-22 17:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 08:17:07PM +0800, Sepherosa Ziehau wrote: Please try following patch (from joerg): http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/~sephe/cbb-apr-09.diff It should be applied cleanly to HEAD or PREVIEW I'd love to, but I'm not sure how to do this with no network card (the only network card I have attaches to the pccard device)... I'm more than willing to *try* any suggestions - maybe download the latest PREVIEW (17apr06) iso and install it and the kernel source and patch it that way? Andrew If you have access to another computer on which you can burn a disc, you can download a snapshot of the source, then extract the source in /usr/src on your laptop, apply the patch and compile. In /usr/src: make buildworld make buildkernel make installkernel make installworld make upgrade reboot A list of servers from which you can download the source: http://www.dragonflybsd.org/main/download.cgi the source can be found under snapshots/src/ on the servers. Erik Wikström -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone -- Bjarne Stroustrup
Re: [OT] Bonehead question about coredumps
On 2006-05-01 20:54, walt wrote: When a userland program segfaults, what determines whether it also dumps core? Is there something either the programmer or the user can do to force a cordump on segfault? Thanks for any clues! You might be interested in core(5), which has a list of criteria for a core to be dumped. Two important factors are that the process must have permission to create the file and the file must not be too big. Erik Wikström -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone -- Bjarne Stroustrup
Re: 80211 patch3 (to be committed)
On 2006-05-01 20:06, Thomas Schlesinger wrote: Am Montag, 1. Mai 2006 03:09 schrieb Sepherosa Ziehau: Hi all, I have rearranged the previous 80211 patch: http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/~sephe/802_11.diff3 NOTE: 1) Apply this patch at /usr/src, don't forget -p0 in `patch'. It should apply cleanly to HEAD or PREVIEW 2) You will need to at least quickkernel if you have tried previous patch. If you have not applied previous patch, you will have to buildworld and buildkernel 3) Please don't forget option INVARIANTS in you kernel config file Sorry for being late, but I'm having some problem with your latest patch and ath(4). Just to check that I haven't missed something basic this is what I did: 1. Downloaded a fresh copy of Preview 2. In /usr/src did patch -p0 /tmp/802_11.diff3 3. Made world and kernel and all that 4. Reboot 5. Extracted ath.tbz in /tmp 6. in /tmp/ath did make 7. kldload ath_hal 8. kldload ath_rate 9. kldload if_ath (which panics the system) I've tried without ACPI to no avail, and it's 100% reproducable. I've put a photo of the panic at www.itstud.chalmers.se/~eriwik/ath along with a verbose dmesg. If there is anything else you need just ask and I'll try to produce it. Erik Wikström -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone -- Bjarne Stroustrup
Re: Shutdown
On 2006-05-09 12:29, Thomas Schlesinger wrote: Hi, when I shutdown my notebook (ASUS V6800), I get a message to power it of on console, but it doesn't happen automagically as in Linux. I believe to remember, that I've read somewhere something about an sysctl switch which enables this function, but I can't find it again. I'm not sure, it was DFly related, it could also be FBSD related. Does anyone know how to make an ACPI-enabled notebook to power off on shutdown automatically? I've attache a sysctl hw output of my notebook to this email. I've got a IBM T41 and it works just fine. I've compared my sysctl- output with yours and could not find any difference in the ACPI- settings. Is the result the same when using the power-button? Are you running a GENERIC-kernel, if not try with one. And just to be sure, you are using the -p option to shutdown(8) right? Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Erik Wikström -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone -- Bjarne Stroustrup
Re: Setting the processor speed
On 2006-05-09 13:07, Thomas Schlesinger wrote: Hi, is there a tool available to set the processor speed (not the throttling) for Pentium-M CPUs? Depending on what you need it for you can make a simple shell script setting the sysctl hw.acpi.cpu.throttle_state, or you could write a small program polling the battery-state and setting the speed based on that. Erik Wikström -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone -- Bjarne Stroustrup
Re: Shutdown
On 2006-05-10 00:12, Joseph Garcia wrote: Sascha Wildner wrote: Thomas Schlesinger wrote: Hi, when I shutdown my notebook (ASUS V6800), I get a message to power it of on console, but it doesn't happen automagically as in Linux. I believe to remember, that I've read somewhere something about an sysctl switch which enables this function, but I can't find it again. I'm not sure, it was DFly related, it could also be FBSD related. How do you shutdown? 'shutdown -p now' should do the trick. Sascha Typically, I used 'halt -p' instead of 'shutdown -p now'. Now I'm wondering if there's a major difference. Either way, it shutdown my computer. Not really sure but I believe that shutdown calls halt or reboot, so the results should be roughly the same. I think shutdown sends a message to all users logged in before calling halt, can be used to put the system down at a specific time etc. while halt just shuts down now. Erik Wikström -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone -- Bjarne Stroustrup
Re: PkgSrc Help
On 2006-05-18 04:42, Douglas S. Keester wrote: Since the WIki is currently down, will someone please post the PkgSrc HOWTO to the list? Also are there any package repositories available besides ftp://packages.stura.uni-rostock.de? Thanks in advance. Take a look at the download-page at www.dragonflybsd.org, at least some of the mirrors listed have pkgsrc-packages. Erik Wikström -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone -- Bjarne Stroustrup
Re: Argh, Stray interrupts 2006
On 2006-06-01 15:49, Danial Thom wrote: My tech tried firing up 1.4 on an opteron MB with an HT1000 chipset and, although it seems to work, the console is literally flooding with stray irq 7 messages. Freebsd at least suppressed these after a few, but when is someone actually going to FIX this in BSD? Someone told me years ago that this was an Intel chipset bug and there was nothing that could be done, but clearly that isn't the case here. whats the workaround solution as the console is unusable in its current state? Tried booting with ACPI disabled? Erik Wikström -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone -- Bjarne Stroustrup
Re: [OT] C pointers: BSD versus Linux?
On 2006-06-01 17:21, walt wrote: Simon 'corecode' Schubert wrote: On 31.05.2006, at 20:37, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Style 1: time_t t*; time(t); [...] Also, style 1 is technically incorrect since you never allocated the memory that t is pointing to before passing it into time(). maybe the compiler on BSD by chance put NULL into t and thus made it a valid parameter? First, thanks to all who replied! I've been playing with gdb and I'm seeing a significant difference between linux and *BSD. I added a dummy variable to my program, like this: time_t t*, d; and then ran the program in gdb. I printed out t and d and compared the two values under *BSD and linux. What I see in linux is that the two values are miles apart, but in *BSD they differ by only a few bytes. I *assume* this means that in *BSD, t is pointing to a valid memory location very close to d, whereas in linux t is pointing to some random number. Does this seem a reasonable idea? In general when dealing with uninitialized variables any value is reasonable since there's no guarantee what their value will be. Thus you shall never write an application that depends on the behavior of uninitialized variables since this behavior can change between different architectures, compilers and OS'es. In this case the fact that t points to an address near d does not make that address valid, since d is allocated on the stack and the only valid addresses for t to point to would be a variable on the stack or some allocaed area on the heap Erik Wikström -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone -- Bjarne Stroustrup
Re: Any serious production servers yet?
On 2006-06-01 18:46, Danial Thom wrote: --- Sascha Wildner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Danial Thom wrote: Surely it makes sense to begin developing O/S applications (which is what I need to do), however I need an OS that is production ready, even if its not as good as its going to be, because I can't reasonably test the performance of an application on an OS that can't handle production loads. *sigh* Is this going to be another of those half-yearly Danial vs. the rest threads? How about this: You restrain yourself from stealing people's time with your annoying discussion for discussion's sake and I promise to get back to you in personal email as soon as I think that DragonFly has reached the point where it could be interesting to you? Sascha I don't see that its me vs anything. I have to chose an MP OS for a big project and I just asked if the project is production-ready yet, and instead of getting an answer, I get a lot of pointers to personal web pages and routers that aren't even pushing a T1. A simple answer like No, DFLY isn't ready for prime time yet, and we don't expect it will be until Sept '07. would have avoided wasting your time. Well, the definition of production-ready differs with the needs of the production server. You've got lots of examples of DF being used in production but none of them happens to be the kind of environment that you'll use. Regardless of the type of services one would use an OS for there's only one reliable way to determine if a particular solution is the one you want or not, and that is testing it yourself under the same conditions that it will encounter in production. In short the only way to know is to test it yourself. To ask if someone has done X using Y and Z under conditions A, B and C is often pointless since no setup or requirement is identical to another unless it's very simple. Erik Wikström -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone -- Bjarne Stroustrup
Re: Compiling: Whats the trick?
On 2006-06-02 01:32, Danial Thom wrote:
Ok, since the beginning of time, the following
has worked in every known unix:
/* hello_world.c */
#include /usr/include/stdio.h
main()
{
printf(hello world\n);
}
cc -o hello_world hello_world.c
except it barfs pretty badly in DFLY. What's the
trick?
Can start of by including stdio.h instead of /usr/include/stdio.h,
then add int in front of main, add return 0; after the printf and
we have something looking like a correct C program.
If you still can't compile the application I would suggest that you re-
install your system from scratch since, in that case, you've messed upp
your system real good.
Erik Wikström
--
I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my
telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure
out how to use my telephone -- Bjarne Stroustrup
Re: Inside the Linux scheduler
On 2006-07-05 22:23, Jose timofonic wrote: Hello, by osnews (http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=15096) I discovered an article about the Linux scheduler and oriented on the new stuff for the 2.6 tree. Here you has the link: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-scheduler/?ca=dgr-lnxw07LinuxScheduler Because probably is always useful to learn from competitors (good or bad stuff, what to do or what to NOT do), I put here this link for people with a bit more of technical background can read and give opinions of it. This article explains a nearly non-so-technical manner, even explains what a scheduler is, problems from earlier Linux schedulers and the advantages of the new Linux scheduler. It has technical stuff too, but is more oriented to people that aren't OS developers. I seem to recall that the ULE scheduler of FreeBSD should be a version of the 2.6-scheduler, and from a quick look at the article this seems to be true (the use of one active and one expired run-queue). -- Erik Wikström
Re: cvs -d fails
On 2006-07-27 13:23, christian hennig wrote: Hi, i am new to dragonfly ;-) i install 1.6 on my laptop, all is fine. But now i try: # cd /usr/ # cvs -d [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot co pkgsrc but i get a time out. Thx for help CU Christian Hennig Did you do env CVS_RSH=ssh (or the equivalent for your shell) before trying that? -- Erik Wikström
Re: Another annoying dvd playback bug
On 2006-07-31 10:48, Petr Janda wrote: I cant reproduce the error at all now, not even in gmplayer Weird weird weird. I'll do it when I can reproduce the error again. Can anyone update me on the threading issue? Id like at least gxine working as it should... Is is working after recompiling with CFLAGS=-g -O1 or after some other recompile or did it just magically start working? If you did recompile then it might have been bad optimization on gcc's part that caused the crash. -- Erik Wikström
Re: Pacman?
On 2006-08-14 19:20, Francis Gudin wrote: On 14-08-2006, Erik Wikström [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haven't looked at pacman but I seem to recall that it's a utility for managing pkgsrc packages and as such it (probably) used the pkgsrc infrastructure to perform it's magic. Thus it ought to work seamlessly with the pkgsrc tools. At least as long as nothing breaks in the middle of operation. You may think about a different 'man'agement tool. Here's an excerpt from the wiki: Ah, I was thinking of pkgmanager. Pacman was ported from Archlinux. The system is similar to ports/pkgsrc but uses build description files written in bash, called PKGBUILD, instead of Makefiles. I guess pkgsrc could coexist with another third-party software management tool, as long as both don't share anything on the filesystem. pkgsrc keeps all its files under /usr/pkg by default; if pacman is able to do so under another hierarchy, chances are it could work. Still to define how pacman would be better, or what pkgsrc lacks wrt pacman ? IMO, improving pkgsrc support for DragonFly is much more useful: sharing with numerous platforms (not Linux-centric), clean framework, etc. Francis Yes, it should be possible, but it will be harder to administer (two systems instead of one) and I wonder how many of the packages that will work under DFly. -- Erik Wikström
Re: Pacman?
On 2006-08-15 21:52, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: Am 15.08.2006 um 21:02 schrieb Vivek Ayer: However, the only awkward thing is the bash script used. Hmm. You are the second person considering bash as evil. What might be the reason for this? The problem is the licensing. Many BSD users prefer that essential or standard software use a BSD type license. Another problem is that bash-scripts are a superset of sh-scripts and since bash is the standard sh on most linuxes many scripts written on linux does not work on other systems which used just sh. It's not really bash's fault but it can create some problems (like pacman using bash- scripts instead of sh-scripts). -- Erik Wikström
Re: unsubscribe
On 2006-08-18 11:07, Max von Seibold wrote: Sorry folks, I need to unsubscribe and have sent several email variations on the theme of 'unsubscribe me' which all get bounced back. Could someone: a. unsubscribe me .. ;-) b. tell me what i'm doing wrong .. I think you need to append -request to the name of the list, i.e. send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. -- Erik Wikström
Re: Static IP on DHCP system?
On 2006-08-25 21:18, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 03:07:52PM -0400, Brian Reichert wrote: : On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 07:43:10PM +0100, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: : If my home router provides DHCP in the 192.168.0.100 range, is there anything : wrong with me statically assigning a 10.0.0.1 address to a box on the network? : : That would put that and your router on different netblocks; it would : likely route packets it doesn't know about out via it's default : route. So what about a very high 192.168.0.x address? I don't want to set up a server just for DHCP, nor do I want to have to ping my server every time I reboot. You could put your static addresses on 192.168.1.* and set the mask to 255.255.0.0. Have you checked the router configuration if it's possible to specify a couple of static address even though the DHCP-server is enabled? -- Erik Wikström
Re: questions about interfaces
On 2006-08-27 10:15, Saverio Iacovelli wrote: Why loopback interface showed as lo0? Why having multiple loopback interfaces? Not sure if it's possible to have more than one loopback interface but on the other hand to not have a '0' appended to the name would mean extra coding to handle the special case of the loopback-interface. It's easier to just pretend that it's a normal NIC just like any other (though the driver does not require any special hardware). That's my guess anyway. -- Erik Wikström
Re: question about packages installation
On 2006-08-27 14:03, Saverio Iacovelli wrote: For example, I would install firefox-1.5.0.6.tgz, then I must try: #pkg_add firefox-1.5.0.6.tgz (and installation fails because it needs other packages) You need to specify the path the the file (if you have not set the PKG_PATH-variable) so you'll have to type #pkg_add ftp://packages.stura.uni-rostock.de/pkgsrc-current/DragonFly/DEVELOPMENT/i386/All/firefox-1.5.0.6.tgz Or set PKG_PATH first setenv PKG_PATH ftp://packages.stura.uni-rostock.de/pkgsrc-current/DragonFly/DEVELOPMENT/i386/All and then run pkg_add firefox-1.5.0.6.tgz (sorry about the line-breaks) -- Erik Wikström
Re: gaim segfault while blocking someone
On 2006-08-29 09:05, Petr Janda wrote: Ah thanks, No I didnt play with the MALLOC_OPTIONS at all. I just want a somewhat usable GUI :) It seems to be getting worse. KDE/Gnome are nearly always broken in pkgsrc. How can this free() problem be fixed? A good start would be to compile gaim with debug-symbols (if that's not already done) and then running it under gdb. This should tell you where the error occurs and from there you can start looking at the code and try to figure out what's wrong. -- Erik Wikström
Re: question about packages installation
On 2006-08-29 14:44, Saverio Iacovelli wrote: setenv PKG_PATH ftp://url1;ftp://url2;; Ok, the command work, but perhaps there is still a problem of pkgsrc. If you install a package contained in ftp://packages.stura.uni-rostock.de/pkgsrc-current/DragonFly/1.6.0-RELEASE/i386/All directory, and you need install a dependent package contained in ftp://packages.stura.uni-rostock.de/pkgsrc-current/DragonFly/1.6.0-RELEASE/i386/vulnerable directory, then installation of this second package fails because pkg_add is in All directory. It should work, from the pkg_add manual page: Over time, as problems are found in packages, they will be moved from the All subdirectory into the vulnerable subdirectory. If you want to accept vulnerable packages by default (and know what you are doing), you can add the vulnerable directory to your PKG_PATH like this: # export PKG_PATH=ftp://ftp.NetBSD.org/pub/NetBSD/packages/2.0/i386/All;ftp://ftp.NetBSD.org/pub/NetBSD/packages/2.0/i386/vulnerable; (The quotes are needed because semicolon (`;') is a shell meta-character.) If you do this, consider installing and using the security/audit-packages package and running it after every pkg_add. -- They use export but they have another shell so setenv should be correct for you. Could you paste the error-message (or whatever) from when you try to use pkg_add. A good way is to use script: # script out.log # pkg_add whatever # exit And all the text written to the console since you started script will be in the file out.log, then attack that file to a mail. -- Erik Wikström
Re: shutdown on BSD and Linux
On 2006-09-07 17:50, Justin C. Sherrill wrote: On Thu, September 7, 2006 6:28 am, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: BTW - the poweroff on my laptop, with Dragonfly and FreeBSD (last I checked), is also accompanied by a rather alarming and short-lived whine, as if a spinning disk or fan was suddenly stopped. I don't get this sound with linux or windows. I had an older system that would do this with the fans; I never saw a negative effect. I assumed it was some setting that was tripped as systems were shutdown, which made the fans react as if the temperature was too high - perhaps the equivalent of a burst of static. I have a computer on which the fan-controls does not start working until somewhere post BIOS, before that they run for full. Might be something like that but in reverse, the fan-control is disabled and the fans run for full by default. How does the computer sound when it starts? -- Erik Wikström
Re: shutdown on BSD and Linux
On 2006-09-07 18:46, Oliver Fromme wrote: PS: By the way, recently someone suggested in a FreeBSD mailing list that start scripts could be run in parallel if they don't depend on each other (which rcorder(8) can easily find out). It would probably speed up booting. However, I don't know if anyone is actually working on implementing that. I seem to recall that it was suggested for inclusion in DFly too but the consensus of the developers were that boot-time is not important enough to use a potentially dangerous method. Not that anyone thought it to be especially dangerous but nor was it worth the effort. The reasoning was that DFly would most likely be used on servers which are normally not booted that often, however as I run it on my laptop I wouldn't mind a faster boot :-) -- Erik Wikström
Re: bsdstats.org
On 2006-09-11 19:18, Adrian Michael Nida wrote: Snip/ FreeBSD once had an installation counter many years ago (it's long dead and gone), which worked exactly like that, i.e. after finishing the actual installation, sysinstall asked whether it should be reported. If you said yes, an e-mail was sent to some pseudo account. Snip/ This is the only one currently in existence that I'm aware of. Snip/ IIRC, OpenBSD still has their [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail account to collect hardware information. NYCBUG also has something similar: http://www.nycbug.org/index.php?NAV=dmesgd;SQLIMIT=20 I'm content with the post-install Would you like to submit your information question. I don't know why on Earth this script has to be put in periodic though. What am I missing? The goal is probably not to see how many BSDs are installed but rather how many are actually in use. -- Erik Wikström
Re: I need help with pkgsrc, dnetc package!
On 2006-09-23 10:46, Daniel Olsson wrote: And another question do i only need to use ftp://packages.stura.uni-rostock.de/pkgsrc-current/DragonFly/DEVELOPMENT/i386/Allfor binary packages or can i use any other netbsd binary server? A NetBSD binary wont work, however there are other sites hosting DFly binaries, any one on http://www.dragonflybsd.org/community/download.cgi under the section pkgsrc binary mirrors will do. -- Erik Wikström
Re: boot problem, disk mess.. thinking of suicide.
On 2006-09-28 14:18, Vladimir Mitiouchev wrote: 28 Sep 2006 11:41:59 GMT, Oliver Fromme [EMAIL PROTECTED]: However, fsck can neither detect nor repair any damage in the contents of files. So, do You have any simple ideas how to detect damage in files? Checksums, or sth? Something simple and working. And automagic ;-) Is there any solutions? Fast and reliable? If not, maybe i should write one? Something like background checking of checksums after fsck, and doing such checksums for any data written to disk.. But should I integrate it into filesystem? Or that's stupid? I believe that tripwire and other IDS uses checksums to detect when files change. What you could do is that after you make a backup you calculate checksums for all files and store them away somewhere, they you can easily (though time-consuming) check for files that have changed since last backup. I suppose that you could make an app that runs as daemon checking the files, perhaps you can even get some notification from kernel when files change. What would have been really nice in this situation is ZFS, which has built-in checksums. -- Erik Wikström
Re: boot problem, disk mess.. thinking of suicide.
On 2006-09-28 15:45, Vladimir Mitiouchev wrote: 2006/9/28, Erik Wikström [EMAIL PROTECTED]: from kernel when files change. What would have been really nice in this situation is ZFS, which has built-in checksums. DragonFly supports ZFS, right? Is it stable enough to run system-for-fun? No, not yet. But work on porting it will probably start when Matt has finished his kernel-in-userland work, provided that some developer (or user) finds the time to port it. -- Erik Wikström
Re: Problem with Xorg conf
On 2006-09-29 14:43, Frank Petitjean wrote: Le Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:09:28 +0200, Frank Petitjean [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: Hi All, I installed the fonts, but the problem still persists. I guess you mean the problem that some fonts are not displayed correctly? Have you told your webbrowser to use the fonts? In Firefox go to Preferences, Content, under Fonts Colors click Advanced and for Serif, Sans-serif and Monospace select the fonts you want to use. -- Erik Wikström
Re: chat/psi doesn't build
On 2006-10-04 18:08, Richard Nyberg wrote: I'm running df 1.6.1 with recent pkgsrc. I don't know if it has worked in previous versions. The pkgsrc output looks ok until the configure phase. Any ideas? -Richard === Installing dependencies for psi-0.10nb7 = Required installed package libtool-base=1.5.22nb1: libtool-base-1.5.22nb3 found = Required installed package gmake=3.78: gmake-3.81 found = Required installed package qt3-tools=3.3.6nb1: qt3-tools-3.3.6nb1 found = Required installed package qca-tls=1.0: qca-tls-1.0nb3 found = Required installed package libidn=0.6.1nb1: libidn-0.6.7 found = Required installed package qca=1.0nb3: qca-1.0nb3 found = Required installed package qt3-libs=3.3.6nb1: qt3-libs-3.3.6nb2 found === Overriding tools for psi-0.10nb7 === Extracting for psi-0.10nb7 === Patching for psi-0.10nb7 = Applying pkgsrc patches for psi-0.10nb7 === Creating toolchain wrappers for psi-0.10nb7 === Configuring for psi-0.10nb7 Configuring Psi ... Verifying Qt 3.x Multithreaded (MT) build environment ... ok Checking for Qt = 3.1 ... yes Checking for QCA 1.0 ... no Error: need QCA 1.0! You don't have QCA (Qt Cryptography Architecture) installed (or it's not detected), try installing QCA first and try again, QCA can be found in pkgsrc/security/QCA -- Erik Wikström
Re: Please help with NAT
On 2006-10-20 00:39, Bill Hacker wrote: Side issue, but does pf [now | yet| always] have a 'dummynet' style tool for rate-limiting and testing? Never used dummynet myself but I seem to recall that ALTQ does not provide the same functionality as dummynet. As I understand ALTQ can be used to prioritize some packages over others (by using different queues and rules that places the packages in the right queue) while dummynet supports more advanced stuff like simulating slow/unreliable networks. Someone who knows, please correct me if I'm wrong. -- Erik Wikström
Re: Site layout suggestion
On 2006-10-24 04:26, Justin C. Sherrill wrote: I've been working on a site redesign for dragonflybsd.org. http://www.shiningsilence.com/newdf/site/data/base6.html My goals are to 1: make it more appealing 2: Get it out of quirks mode 3: Improve CSS support 4: Create a style that can be used across the different (bugs/cvsweb/www/leaf/etc) dragonfly sites. This design does it so far. Rather than sit and poke at it, I'm putting it out and saying please provide improvements. (I want to move on to my next task) I think there's a few people on the lists that would like to contribute, don't know (or care for) kernel programming, but know CSS. Mostly, I need a footer that can visually unify the page. The image at the bottom of the menu makes the last choices hard to read, but I like the image so if you could make it appear a bit further down that would be nice. Also, if you know some clever way of reducing the line-length (currently getting 150-160 chars/line at 1280x1024) that would be nice. I said clever since it's just as bad if those with low resolution or larger text-size get only 30-40 characters per line. Anyway, it's not very important but it would be nice. -- Erik Wikström
Re: Site layout suggestion
On 2006-10-24 20:33, Simon 'corecode' Schubert wrote: Erik Wikström wrote: Also, if you know some clever way of reducing the line-length (currently getting 150-160 chars/line at 1280x1024) that would be nice. I said clever since it's just as bad if those with low resolution or larger text-size get only 30-40 characters per line. Anyway, it's not very important but it would be nice. and what do you intend to do with the remaining (white) space? the correct fix would be for you to use a smaller browser window which suits with your default font size/preferred line length. And resize the browser-windows whenever I change page? rant Unfortunately as the resolution increases the with of pages does too (if the browser- window is kept at the same size) but making the text-lines longer also makes it harder to read, so it's often better to just leave some of the space unused. Who came up with the idea of widescreen anyway? Tallscreen would have been much more usefull. /rant -- Erik Wikström
Re: Site layout suggestion
On 2006-10-25 02:46, Justin C. Sherrill wrote: On Tue, October 24, 2006 5:29 pm, Erik Wikström wrote: And resize the browser-windows whenever I change page? rant Unfortunately as the resolution increases the with of pages does too (if the browser- window is kept at the same size) but making the text-lines longer also makes it harder to read, so it's often better to just leave some of the space unused. Who came up with the idea of widescreen anyway? Tallscreen would have been much more usefull. /rant I think I have the problem solved with the max-width style in ex, as was suggested. Yes, it looks nice now. This I ask out of curiosity: what sites do you visit that actually require the entire horizontal space? I can't think of any sites offhand that require more than 1K pixels across. Very few, usually very designed pages using more than one column of content. Saw a page just the other day where the amount of columns adapted to the resolution and textsize dynamically, so when I increased the fontsize the number of columns decreased. But as you said these are hard to find, most sites don't utilize more than 800 pixels. -- Erik Wikström
Re: Text-columns and CSS
On 2006-10-25 12:17, Tom Davis wrote: Greetings, On 2006 Oct 25, at 4:19 am, Erik Wikström wrote: Saw a page just the other day where the amount of columns adapted to the resolution and textsize dynamically, so when I increased the fontsize the number of columns decreased. Do you happen to know the url of that site? As useful as it obviously would be, there is no CSS2.1 attribute that will reflow a block of text into multiple columns. It is certainly possible to intercept window resize events and use javascript to move words of text between DIVs to balance them and add new columns as necessary, but there is no way I know of to intercept user changes of text size (Firefox Safari) or Zoom level (Opera) so I'd be very interested in seeing how someone else did it. That could be a real boon. Of course, the site is probably flash, which is proprietary and not well supported on the BSDs. No, the site was not in flash, though I have not been able to find it. I have, however, been able to reproduce the behavior of that site (though I don't know if they used the same method. Take a look at: http://www.chalmers.it/~eriwik/test.html (should work in Firefox v1.5 and later) The number of columns change as the size of the window change, or the fontsize change. It's using non-standard CSS (from a W3C draft *) and the properties have been prepended with -moz-. * www.w3.org/TR/css3-multicol -- Erik Wikström
Re: updating from 1.6.2 to 1.7.x
On 2006-10-26 22:29, Saverio Iacovelli wrote: I would update DragonFly 1.6.2 to 1.7.x. How can I update from 1.6.2 to latest devel version? If you want the absolute bleeding edge you'll have to download the source-code, compile and install. The handbook describes the process quite well: leaf.dragonflybsd.org/~justin/handbook/updating.html Actually this is much easier than it sounds, but it can take some time to compile the world and kernel. What you do is that as root run: # cvsup -h host /usr/share/examples/cvsup/DragonFly-src-supfile where host is any of the mirrors offering cvsup-access from the list at www.dragonflybsd.org's download-section. When that is done you do # cd /usr/src # make buildworld # make buildkernel # make installkernel # make installworld # make upgrade and then reboot, and you're done. Alternatively, you could (I think) download a snapshot ISO and install (I've never done this, so I don't know how well it works). A list of sites from where you can download a snapshot can be found at www.dragonflybsd.org in the download-section. -- Erik Wikström
Re: updating from 1.6.2 to 1.7.x
On 2006-10-27 13:51, Saverio Iacovelli wrote: 1) I don't want recompile from zero the system, but only the missing pieces. # cvsup -h host /usr/share/examples/cvsup/DragonFly-src-supfile where host is any of the mirrors offering cvsup- access from the list at www.dragonflybsd.org's download-section. Can it be http://chlamydia.fs.ei.tum.de/pub/DragonFly/snapshots/src/src-Devel.tar.bz2 an example of src-supfile? As others have pointed out, this is a snapshot of the /usr/src directory and will also work. However if you already have the source-code installed (though not the most recent version) it will often be faster with cvsup since it only fetches those files that have been changed. chlamydia.fs.ei.tum.de does provide the cvsup service so you can use: #cvsup -h chlamydia.fs.ei.tum.de /usr/share/examples/cvsup/DragonFly-preview-supfile to download the sources for the latest preview-release (notice that I changed the name of the sup-file from DragonFly-src-supfile to DragonFly-preview-supfile, the former will give you HEAD instead of preview). -- Erik Wikström
Re: about cvsup and supfile...
On 2006-11-17 18:32, Saverio Iacovelli wrote: I want update DFly with cvsup, but I want to optimize the upgrade operation. I don't want to upgrade all system, but only kernel and some application. 1 - Is it possible to set cvsup for thos operation? 2 - How can I find howto about supfile? I believe that there are a sup-file for only the kernel sources, however if you want to upgrade an application you'll have to upgrade the whole world too. Depending on how old your kernel sources are you might need a new world to be able to use the new kernel too, I'm not sure about that. However, if you already have quite recent sources on your computer than using cvsup will be quite efficient even if you download both world and kernel, since it only download that which has changed. As for learning about cvsup, there really is not much to it. Take a look in /usr/share/examples/cvsup, there you'll find a couple of different sup-files ready for use that will download different things (you can open them with an editor if you want). Then, when you have found one that suits your needs, you run #cvsup -h host /path/to/sup-file To find a host near you take a look at www.dragonflybsd.org in the download section. If you don't have any recent sources you might want to download a snapshot of the sources (find a mirror in the download section) and extract that on your computer and then run cvsup to update them to the very latest. More information can be found in the cvsup manual page (man cvsup): http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/cgi/web-man?command=cvsupsection=ANY You might also be interested in the Updating section in the Handbook: http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/~justin/handbook/updating.html -- Erik Wikström
Re: Scheduling while atomic
On 2006-11-19 18:47, walt wrote: I find that asking a basic/dumb question of a smart group of people is often a very quick path to enlightenment :o) I've seen the 'scheduling while atomic' panic message a few times from the linux kernel over the years, and now I'm wondering if there is an analogous panic in the BSD kernels, DF in particular. If so, what would trigger such an event? I'm certainly not one of the smart people but I do believe (from the name) that such a panic would occur if trying to call the scheduler while performing an atomic operation (being inside a critical section). The reason that this causes a panic would be that scheduling is not a quick operation (not atomic-quick anyway). As to whether this can happen in DF or not I don't know, but it sure sound like something that should panic the kernel. If there is code that will cause such a panic is another question. -- Erik Wikström
Re: mailing list archive stopped temporarily
On 2006-11-22 01:49, Justin C. Sherrill wrote: On Mon, November 20, 2006 8:25 am, Justin C. Sherrill wrote: The mailing list archives at: http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive won't update today; I'm rebuilding them with the new layout. I'll start them up again as soon as it's done. Messages in the meantime will not be lost - just not in the archive until it's done. The mailing list is set; it should be updating normally now. New posts and old should all have a matching layout. Please let me know if you spy trouble. Would it be possible to make the grey background on the rows stretch all the way to the dates/time-column? -- Erik Wikström
Re: DFly on a Gateway laptop
On 2006-11-28 10:29, Douglas S. Keester wrote: Third, has anyone had luck getting DFly to dual boot with Windows XP? (I need to keep it around for a while, so please no lectures about how I should just delete it and single boot DFly.) I would prefer to use the standard bootloader, but am not opposed to using GRUB, which works quite well in my current setup. Also what is the chance of the standard bootloader recognizing the Windows Restore partition? I dual-boot my T41 with no problem, I'd advice you to install Windows first and DF later. I can't remember if the install detected the presence of Windows automatically or not. But installing the bootloader is quite easy, all you need to know is in the man-page. I also seem to recall that it did recognize the restore-partition but I modified the loader not to show it when booting. (Later I removed that partition all together and used the space for better things.) -- Erik Wikström
Re: Idle question about multi-core processors
On 2006-12-01 00:10, walt wrote: [I confess, I'm not sure if this question is off-topic or not.] I just read this blurb in an e-newsletter: Advanced Micro Devices Inc. (AMD) launched a motherboard with four cores on Thursday, targeting gaming enthusiasts in an effort to keep pace with the release of quad-core chips by rival Intel Corp. Is it not a mobo with two sockets, allowing for 4 cores (2 x dual-core). If that's the case it might make some sense from a gamer point of view now that AMD is trying to make device-manufacturers plug their products straight into the bus, which might be attractive for GPUs. Well, I always read that the whole point of expensive graphics boards is to take the workload off of the CPU. And now, suddenly, the trend is to provide more CPU's to attract the gamers? Something here doesn't add up. You are quite right, CPU is not the most important part when gaming, the GU is still the bottleneck. In any case, it looks to me like the mass-market may be supporting SMP mobo's much sooner than I suspected. And, I suspect that DragonFly may provide much better performance on SMP hardware than many other OS's. I thought dual-core was SMP, was that wrong of me? -- Erik Wikström
Re: graphical boot in DFly
On 2006-12-04 20:22, Saverio Iacovelli wrote: I typed xdm_enable=YES in /etc/rc.conf, but DFly starts by command line. Try this (origionaly from Ezra): Edit /etc/ttys Look for the line ttyv8 /usr/pkg/xorg/bin/xdm -nodaemon xterm off secure and change off to on. -- Erik Wikström
Re: help over rsync vs cvsupd perfmance
On 2006-12-25 20:43, Justin C. Sherrill wrote: On Mon, December 25, 2006 10:12 am, Saverio Iacovelli wrote: I find, in the DragonFly project page, the following matter: - Benchmark rsync vs. cvsupd for getting source code updates Ok, I would like to test benchmark, but I need help to choose software for benckmarking and help to formulate test cases. Someone has suggestions? I think I was the one who came up with that idea. Testing it would be relatively simple. Set up two machines, networked together. Set up cvsupd and rsyncd on one machine, both using the same files as a repository. (all of DragonFly src would bet a good example) On the other machine, bring all those files down with rsync, and time how long it takes. Delete the files, and do it again with cvsup. Repeat both a few times just in case something happens to change the numbers during a run. Perhaps it should be included in the test an incremental update, like you have the code for DFly 1.6-RELEASE and update those to latest PREVIEW. I think this is a quite common scenario, probably more common (and thus important), than starting from scratch. -- Erik Wikström
Re: gnome start errors after building gnome
On 2006-12-28 07:51, Huub wrote: Hi, I built gnome, but when I change the .xinitrc according to the manual I get his: _IceTransmkdir: ERROR: euid != 0,directory /tmp/.ICE-unix will not be created. _IceTransSocketUNIXCreateListener: mkdir(/tmp/.ICE-unix) failed, errno = 2 _IceTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to create listener for local ** (gnome-session:746): WARNING **: Cannot establish any listening sockets It starts ok, but after the initial graphical screen it falls back to console. Anyone an idea? Well, the 'euid != 0' part means that you are not root while running this, which (in my opinion) you shouldn't have too. Try creating the director manually or try running it as root once. -- Erik Wikström
Re: updating packages
On 2006-12-28 10:12, Huub wrote: Hi, According to the manual, I have to either build the new version, deinstall the old one, install the new one and clean up or use pkg_chk. On NetBSD there is make update. Isn't there something like that on DragonFlyBSD? bmake upgrade Beware though that it can leave some of your packages non-working. If I'm not confusing this with something else what bmake upgrade does is to deinstall all packages and then reinstall the new versions. Should the build of the first package fail then it will abort and you'll be left with fewer packages than you had (all those that was going to be updated are gone). There are attempts at solutions of those problems, don't know if any of them work all the way though. Pacman is one of them, you can read about it here: http://wiki.dragonflybsd.org/cgi/moin.cgi/Pacman_Packages For more ways to update see: http://wiki.netbsd.se/index.php/How_to_upgrade_packages -- Erik Wikström
Re: help over rsync vs cvsupd perfmance
On 2006-12-30 14:08, Saverio Iacovelli wrote: So, I have DragonFly 1.7 updated to 25 december. I'm going to start test, I would know if I can bring my system to DragonFly 1.6.1 with cvsup and rsync, or if I can only update. You can with cvsup, make a copy of the 1.6-release sup-file and changes the line *default release=cvs tag=DragonFly_RELEASE_1_6_Slip to *default release=cvs tag=DragonFly_RELEASE_1_6_1 and use it to pull down the sources. -- Erik Wikström
Re: help over rsync vs cvsupd perfmance
On 2007-01-01 18:23, Justin C. Sherrill wrote: On Mon, January 1, 2007 10:30 am, Saverio Iacovelli wrote: Ok, I want to do a good test. So, I need some days yet, about one or two weeeks, the CVSup and rsync mirrors that I will test they are: 1) chlamydia.fs.ei.tum.de 2) AllBSD.org 3) TheShell.com My intention about test is the following: You may want to test partial updates - i.e. test an update from 1.6 to 1.7. There may be a speed difference in the way the two programs do the update checks, as compared to downloading all the files at once. Yes, this is probably the most useful test since I expect that this is the most common usage. If one needs to go from scratch there are tar- balls of the source that can be downloaded and then cvsup/rsync can be used to get to latest. But don't let that stop you from testing going from scratch also. -- Erik Wikström
Re: A question on enabling sound...
On 2007-01-02 15:44, Huub wrote: Hi, I'm trying to get my sound working. So far, I've put snd_via8233_load=YES in my rc.conf. But which files should I install next? esound and aumix are installed, but what should be installed as well? Have you loaded the correct modules / compiled your kernel with support for your soundcard? try running 'kldload snd' and see which module gets loaded. -- Erik Wikström
Re: A question on enabling sound...
On 2007-01-02 23:17, Huub wrote: Sorry. Can't help you on that. I had hoped RealPlayer works on DFBSD, but alas. Also, I can't find mplayer. It might be possible to get RealPlayer to work using linux emulation, haven't tried it though. -- Erik Wikström
Re: wiki log of #dragonfly irc channel
On 2007-03-09 02:28, Helge Rohde wrote: On Friday 09 March 2007 00:57, Martin P. Hellwig wrote: Helge Rohde wrote: cut Which is precisly why i always envyid that windoze partition encryption thingy, cant remember the name now, but it provides 2 keys, one will open the (actual) container and another one will open another encrypted container with all legal and perfectly harmless files. That way they cannot crack down on you for destruction of evidence (what second password ? häh? no idea what you mean!). But afaik theres is no such thing on any of the BSD systems. Which is sad, because -as you point out pretty precisely - it refutes most of the points file/HD encryption could be useful for - They will just order you to give them the PW as soon as they find an encrypted Partition/File. regards, Helge In most western legal systems you are not enforced to participate in gathering evidence against yourself. Though it could be enforced that you are not allowed to alter current situation which can influence evidence against you. In short with a warrant they may be allowed to search your home and take your computer as evidence but they may not enforce you to tell them your pass phrase, that contradicts with the You have the right to remain silent thing :-) Yeah, i would have thought so too. But apparently they do bend their rules when the see the need, atleast in Germany they *can* put you into jail until you tell them the passphrase and i have heard similar from other european countries. I believe the reasoning goes along the lines of: they have an urgent suspicion that there is evidence against you (the encrypted partition ), so they can put you into 'Beugehaft' (= coercive detention) until you stop hiding the evidence and cooperate with the authorities. The mentioned two-container system has prooven to be an effective countermeasure (well, atleast until now). As long as they do not suspec you to be a terrorist I doubt that they can lock you up more than a month or two unless they have other evidence than those they suspect to be on the disk. To do otherwise would be an crime against the human rights -- Erik Wikström
Re: dragonflybsd.org domain back up
On 2007-03-19 06:35, Matthew Dillon wrote: I blew up the dragonflybsd.org domain when I upgraded the box running the DNS. The new version of bind disallows certain constructions (domain names with underscores), and as per normal stupidity it decided to stop serving the entire file. Its all fixed now. Seems like wiki.dragonflybsd.org is not working, the address goes to the DragonFly BSD Developer Resources (used to be crater.dragonflybsd.org I think). -- Erik Wikström
Re: gcc 4.x for DragonFlyBSD
On 2007-05-03 17:42, arnuld wrote: On 5/3/07, Jason Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HEAD is the CVS concept of the tip of the development branch... i.e. where new development gets committed. it means HEAD posted here *everyday* as an CDROM ISO image: http://mirror.macomnet.net/pub/DragonFlyBSD/snapshots/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ the bleeding edge, latest and *just* created ISO, right ? Yes, though normally if you are following HEAD you don't go about downloading ISOs, instead you keep a copy of the tree on your disk and update it using cvsup or rsync or something like that. You, however, should probably not use head unless there's something there which is not available in the latest release or you want to help testing new features as they are developed. You should probably go with the latest release which currently is 1.8.1, and you can get an ISO from here: http://mirror.macomnet.net/pub/DragonFlyBSD/iso-images/dfly-1.8.1_REL.iso.gz -- Erik Wikström
Re: rebuild DragonFly using gcc 4.1
On 2007-05-05 20:59, arnuld wrote: On 5/5/07, arnuld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i wanted to have GCC 4.x based DragonFly system (for a C++ project) and Trevor Kendall advised this: If you are using 1.8.x: In /etc/make.conf uncomment WANT_GCC41=yes and rebuild. If you are using HEAD, it is built automatically already. To use it set CCVER to gcc41. -- but Matt said please do NOT use HEAD. so i used LATEST preview release which was GCC 3.4 based. In /etc/mk.conf i added a line WANT_GCC41=yes but i do not know how to rebuild ? i tried Google and got this: # make buildworld # make buildkernel More on this at the end. when i try this i get this message: do not know how to build world. funny message, i thought. so i have these questions: 1.) Is it a good idea to use DragonFly preview release as my general-purpose OS. actually, i want learn UNIX and i want GCC 4.x to work on a C++ project. i just use a Window Manager, xine-ui, firefox, emacs, bash, gimp, audacious or xmms and nothing else. i don't use Desktops. Well, most of those applications will probably be available from pkgsrc and if not then some other workalike will be. And it's quite a good system to learn about UNIX on since it does not try to hide it's heritage like some Linux distros (Ubunto). 2.) how to rebuild the preview release for gcc4.x and how long this process will be ? It depends a bit on your computer and internet connection, but it can take a up to a couple of hours on a not to old PC. 3.) is it necessary to do this before rebuilding world: cvs -d [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot co pkgsrc even after 4 hours, it is still downloading packages :-(. is it downloading the source code of every package ? No, it's not necessary, in fact I would not do that at all if I were you. Using binary packages are much easier, see below for more info. 4.) DragonFlyBSd guide also advises to use cvs up after step 3. what is it and how much time will that take ? It downloads the DragonFly sourcecode to your computer so that you can compile it. If you have a slow connection you might want to download a compressed tarball of the sources instead of using cvsup. You can download tarballs from here: ftp://chlamydia.fs.ei.tum.de/pub/DragonFly/snapshots/src hmm.. this page gives lots of information tha i snot present in DragonFlyBSD handbook: http://wiki.dragonflybsd.org/index.cgi/QuickStartBSDUser Yes, the steps under Keeping up to date are good, but use the file /usr/share/examples/cvsup/DragonFly-release1_8-supfile or /usr/share/examples/cvsup/DragonFly-preview-supfile it you want preview. If you have a slow connection you might want to download a tarball as mentioned above. For third party application don't follow what's written under Installing software, look at http://wiki.dragonflybsd.org/index.cgi/HowToPkgsrc and follow the steps under the section Pre-built pkgsrc packages, but use the addresses found on ftp://packages.stura.uni-rostock.de/pkgsrc-current/DragonFly/RELEASE/i386/All if a package you want can't be found there take a look in ftp://packages.stura.uni-rostock.de/pkgsrc-current/DragonFly/RELEASE/i386/vulnerable -- Erik Wikström
Re: libm update plans?
On 2007-05-07 16:45, Matthew Dillon wrote: :3) port over myself (see #1, #2 :) : :Thanks, : :- Chris Hmmm. I looked for various pieces of example code. FreeBSD has a really old implementation in (libmsun) which is not suitable, and NetBSD uses the same implementation. Gnu seems to have a clean 4-line implementation done in 2005: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/fortran/2005-05/msg00227.html But I'd like to find an unadulterated version if possible (though presumably it is simple enough that it pretty much has to be done that way regardless). I'm a little concerned that there are so few implementations around. Are you sure this is part of C99? Yes it it, section 7.12.9.8: The trunc functions round their argument to the integer value, in floating format, nearest to but no larger in magnitude than the argument. I've never been an assembly programmer but it seems to me like there should be some instruction for this kind of thing. -- Erik Wikström
Re: no gcc 4.1after rebuild
On 2007-05-12 18:35, arnuld wrote: On 5/12/07, Peter Avalos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2007 at 09:11:32PM +0530, arnuld wrote: On 5/12/07, Peter Avalos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 06:47:37PM +, arnuld wrote: as advised on this mailing list. i added this line in /etc/mk.conf: WANT_GCC41=yes Try /etc/make.conf. Then also add CCVER=gcc41. this file does not exist so i created as copy of /etc/mk.conf to /etc/make.conf with WANT_GCC41=yes and rebuilt the system. So what's in /etc/make.conf? eactly all of what /etc/mk.conf has. /etc/mk.conf is for pkgsrc. /etc/make.conf is for the system build. thanks for this. i will take it as a gift :-) DragonFlyBSD Documentation/Guide/FAQs do not contain this distinction. Then I'll give you another gift, whenever you wonder something about DF try to see if there's a man-page, most of the system is quite well-documented (much thanks to Sascha Wildner). For example the make.conf man-page is quite informative (it says among other thing that there is no option WANT_GCC41, gcc41 will be compiled by default and you'll have to set NO_GCC if you don't want it). -- Erik Wikström
Re: no gcc 4.1after rebuild
On 2007-05-13 17:56, arnuld wrote: On 5/13/07, Peter Avalos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, May 13, 2007 at 03:42:05PM +, arnuld wrote: only one thing is left: how can i make my shell (tcsh) remember gcc 4.1 for *always*. i do not want to setenv at every boot. i have put CCVER=gcc41 into both /etc/mk.conf and /etc/make.conf and rebooted but it does not help, any ideas ? Put this in ~/.cshrc: setenv CCVER gcc41 thanks and what about changing globally ? Edit /etc/csh.cshrc, you might want to edit /etc/profile to make it the default in sh also. -- Erik Wikström
Re: Development
On 2007-05-13 17:31, Dennis Melentyev wrote: 2007/5/13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thanks for the input everyone! Once I decide on what to tackle, I'll solicit some help / advice from you guys. I think firstly, a C++ wrapper for any DragonFly specific system libraries or system calls would be a good thing. This would also facilitate easier contribution by other C++ developers. Just my 2 cents... While any new commiter is very valuable, I hardly can see any point in any DFLY-specific C++ libs. Thats more of Linux way - creating non-portable and OS-centric apps. Even more, I can hardly remember any of DFLY-specific libraries in our OS. What am I considering as a good idea: check of STL support in GCC 4x under DFLY. It might be already Ok, but I'd rather have it verified. I think libstdc++ is quite standards compliant, perhaps it's not 100% but it's close enough for the vast majority of applications. They even have an implementation of the TR1 extensions which is more than Visual Studio (which is quite standards compliant) does. Next one: support of WxWidgets, MySQL++, ACE. May be some other frequently used libraries. Those are more of pkgsrc issues but don't let that stop you, even the best system would be worthless without applications to run on it. The same goes for Ronald, there are still a number of applications in pkgsrc that does not build under DF, some of them ought to be written in C++ so perhaps if you make some of them work it would provide the most benefit for the DF project. A list of packages that didn't build can be found here: http://www.pkgsrc-box.org/reports/2007Q1/DragonFly-1.8/20070423.0925/report.html -- Erik Wikström
Re: Which wireless card?
On 2007-05-13 18:20, Petr Janda wrote: Are these Atheros based cards supported? http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Communication/Products_Spec.aspx?ProductID=988ProductName=GN-WP01GT http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Communication/Products_Spec.aspx?ProductID=952ProductName=GN-WPEAG http://www.netgear.com/Products/Adapters/SuperGWirelessAdapters/WG311T.aspx I have an Atheros based card, but it's in a laptop. Don't know which chip those you posted are based on by mine is a 5212-based card and it's working just fine. Btw, this seems to come up all the time: linux: syscall madvise is obsoleted or not implemented (pid=1643) What application is that? -- Erik Wikström
Re: X problem and pkg_add problem
On 2007-05-13 18:52, arnuld wrote: On 5/13/07, Erik Wikström [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-05-13 18:02, arnuld wrote: i was unable to install X from pkg_add as pkg_add is not downloading anything. pkg_add www.pkgsrc-box.org/packages/stable/DragonFly-1.8/All/ just HANGS in there and doe snot do anything as my ADSL modem lights do not blink. ic an open that address in Firefox right now. You need to specify which package to download also, not just the directory where it is. So you should have typed something like this: # pkg_add www.pkgsrc-box.org/packages/stable/DragonFly-1.8/All/x11/modular-xorg-server worse is i get a message, something like this, when i do startx: VIA(00): disabling DRI why so? i have this hardware and X on GNU OS (e.g. Arch, Gentoo) works pretty wellw ithout ant DRI problems. i think that means i will not be able to play videos properly. I don't think DF supports DRI, however that should only prevent you from using hardware accelerated video decoding (and I'm not sure that that's supported even under Linux), but with your computer you should still be able to play most videos (except perhaps from high definition). It will prevent you from playing hardware accelerated games however (though I doubt that there's any that'll run under DF). NO, i do not want to play games. i just want to watch Bruce Lee's unseen movies and The Matrix and Hackers :-) without DRI, will i be playing them without any trouble ? Well, I can't give any guarantees but I've been able to play movies on my laptop, and it certainly wasn't as powerful as your computer, nor would the graphics card perform any hardware acceleration so there should be no problems from that department. -- Erik Wikström
Re: structure has no member named `kp_eproc'
On 2007-05-14 17:48, Petr Janda wrote:
Hi,
I'm trying to compile net-snmp from SVN applying the pkgsrc patches and
I can't seem to figure out why its failing on this error. What's the
meaning of this error and how to fix it?
You didn't tell us which struct, that should be included in the error
message, so it's hard to tell. But my guess is that there's some
structure that contains information about the system (used to pass data
between the application and the kernel). That structure looks something
like this:
struct foo {
int bar;
int baz;
char* forbar;
}
However in some earlier version or on some other system that struct
looks different (and the application is not aware of this), some thing
like this:
struct foo {
int bar;
int baz;
int kp_eproc;
char* foobar;
}
So when you try to compile the code that assumes that the struct has a
member kp_eproc but in reality it does not you get that error message.
A question: If you applied patches from pkgsrc does that mean that the
program is in pkgsrc and in that case, why not use it?
--
Erik Wikström
Re: SMP performance on drgonfly
On 2007-05-19 01:58, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 04:46:27PM -0700, Matthew Dillon wrote: A large chunk of the kernel still runs under the big giant lock, including the light weight processes that libthread_xu uses, so something like mysql is going to hit a lot of BGL contention. Oh, OK. What subsystems are out from under the big giant lock, so I can look for another benchmark to compare with? Also, what profiling and contention measurement tools do you have, so I can try to confirm that this is the issue? You may be able to get DragonFly to run on the machines you were having problems with by compiling it with SMP but without APIC_IO. With that combination DragonFly will use the PIC in SMP mode, which usually works. The issue is that I cannot even install with a UP kernel, so I can't recompile to test this. I posted with more details about this problem a few months ago. You should be able to build a new install CD, with the needed kernel options, on the computer where you got it running. Check out the nrelease framework for more details. -- Erik Wikström
Re: libgtop2 and xorg break
On 2007-08-13 08:28, Pieter Dumon wrote: Hi, pkgsrc/sysutils/libgtop2 doesn't compile on my fresh 1.10 system (don't know if it did before): proclist.c: In function 'glibtop_get_proclist_p': proclist.c:106: error: structure has no member 'kp_proc' proclist.c:106: error: 'SRUN' undeclared (first use in this function) proclist.c:109: error: structure has no member named 'kp_eproc' proclist.c:111: error: structure has no member named 'kp_proc' gmake[3]: *** [proclist.lo] Error 1 gmake[3]: Leaving directory '/usr/pkgsrc/sysutils/libgtop2/work/libgtop-2.14.2/sysdeps/freebsd' Second little problem: when I issue a bmake install in pkgsrc/x11/xorg-libs, I get: ERROR: This package has set PKG_SKIP_REASON: ERROR: X11_TYPE=xorg is mandatory however, /etc/mk.conf contains X11_TYPE=xorg (within the .ifdef BSD_PKG_MK .endif) I tried to do bmake install X11_TYPE=xorg, but that tried to download X 6.9 If you want modular xorg these are the packages you need: * meta-pkgs/modular-xorg-apps * meta-pkgs/modular-xorg-fonts * meta-pkgs/modular-xorg-drivers * x11/modular-xorg-server * x11/xterm and you should set X11_TYPE=modular in /etc/mk.conf -- Erik Wikström
Re: Licenses again...
Matthew Dillon wrote: :But does the BSDL allow the code to be relicensed? ie. i am a GPL dev, and i :take a file ftp.c which is BSD licensed. Can I wrap the code in GPL license :(though preserving the BSD copyright and license in there)? : :The BSD license doesn't indicate that this is allowed. : :Petr Commercial entities have used BSD licensed code for almost 30 years. Microsoft includes an FTP with BSD code in it in their distribution, for example, and this is perfectly acceptable. Microsoft's product, as a whole, operates under a far more restrictive license and there is no conflict. The BSD license was intended to allow this. There is no question about that. But how do we interpret, say, a source file that is under the BSD license then modified by a second developer who adds the GPL? Both licenses would then be present in the source file (the BSD license cannot be removed, except by the original author, so both would be present). Clearly the BSD license does not disallow the modifications made by the second developer to be placed under some other license. The BSD license only covers the BSD-licensed code. The question is how should a third party interpret the modified source file as a whole? I do not know the answer to that. Theo made a point of stating that he thought it meant that the BSD license completely trumped the GPL but Theo is no more a lawyer then I am so all I can do is throw up my hands and say 'I don't know'. One of the big problems is that the changes have to be significant enough for the new version to be called a derivative work for it to be possible to place the changes under a new licence. The rights for small changes are assigned to the original author, and thus you cannot claim any rights for them (and thus not add any licence). And the unchanged parts would of course still be under the BSD licence even if you make significant changes. This all creates big problems for a third person who might only want to use parts of the code, since it is near impossible to tell which parts are under which licence without investigating source history (if available). This is one reason that some companies that releases code under two (or more) licenses have separate sets of files, one set for license A, one for license B, and so on. Simply put, you cannot re-license unless you are the author (or in some other way got the right to do so, which is not given by any open source license that I know of). You can, however, make sufficiently large changes and use whatever license you want on those, but the original, unchanged, code is still under the original license. Notice that when I say sufficiently large changes I have no idea how much needs to be changes for something to legally be considered to be a derivative work or how it is measured but I would guess that it is measured more in functionality than in amount of code. -- Erik Wikström
Re: Broken link on DF site
On 2007-11-17 11:09, Steve Mynott wrote: I think the link to http://chlamydia.fs.ei.tum.de/pub/DragonFly/snapshots/ on http://www.dragonflybsd.org/community/download.shtml should be ftp://chlamydia.fs.ei.tum.de/pub/DragonFly/snapshots/ Both works for me. -- Erik Wikström
Re: Binary Updates for DragonFly
On 2007-12-16 14:58, Matthias Schmidt wrote: He, * Simon 'corecode' Schubert wrote: Matthias Schmidt wrote: Thats right, but I'm a fan of saving disk space and bandwith. Distributing complete binaries has one big advantage. We could update user-modified binary files which is not easily possible with diff/pach. Yes. Both ways don't necessarily exclude each other, assuming that mirrors have enough space (they do, usually). One could think about an approach which patches the file is its an unmodified one or copy the whole file over if its a modified one. This would keep RELEASE as well as self-compiled users happy. I would expect that if a user have some kind of modified binaries that is because they like it that way. To have an update-program replace those binaries with standard binaries might not be desirable at all. On the other hand, I would suspect that those user are not the primary target for such an update mechanism but rather for the more casual users who are running the stock installation. Of course more advanced user can use it but instead of downloading diffs from some server they update their source and compile on a master server and the diffs are then fetched from there to the other installations. -- Erik Wikström
Re: DragonFly vs Linksys as firewall and Gateway
On 2007-12-28 17:55, Stephane Russell wrote: This is a very general post. I've just buy a Linksys Wireless router, and it comes with a router, a firewall with forwarding and natting capability and a DHCP server. I'm wondering if it's a equivalent choice (for speed, security, etc) to use such a router for my network, or if it just can't be as good as a BSD like DFBSD. For now, since 1996, my FreeBSD, then DFBSD was never cracked, and it's not because nobody is making any attempt. For one, DFBSD is supporting IPv6, but not the router (yet). So it's already a plus for DFBSD. On the other side, by using my DFBSD as a firewall, I'm exposing my file and print server directly on the net. Also, the router is very little maintenance compare to a full server. Another plus for DFBSD is backdoor control. Maybe I'm traumatised by the movie The Net, with Sandra Bullock. Nobody can verify if Cisco is providing it's router with backdoors, or bugs at least, while this can be easilly verified and fixed with an open source OS like DFBSD. For now, I still think a true open source OS is a better choice for this kind of task. I prefer to use BSD (Open in my case) instead of some commercial product mostly because they are infinitely more configurable. If I one day decide that I want functionality foo then I can pretty be sure that I can add that to my router. If I used commercial product then I am stuck with what the vendor though that I needed. PS. Some Linksys routers can run Linux, and perhaps also BSD, if that is the case it might be an attractive choice. -- Erik Wikström
Re: how to get dragonfly and freebsd source code
On 2008-01-18 18:54, dark0s Optik wrote: 2008/1/14, Nicolas Thery [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/1/14, dark0s Optik [EMAIL PROTECTED]: How can I to get source code of DragonFly and FreeBSD? On addition, you can also browse the source with opengrok and lxr: http://opengrok.creo.hu/dragonfly/ http://fxr.watson.org/ Ok, this is the best solution! Now, I would like to analyze freebsd code about sparc64 architecture. Can anyone to suggest me documents and people for helping to analyze above code? If you want help with FreeBSD then a FreeBSD mailing-list is probably the place to ask, for issues regarding the Sparc64 port you should probably use the freebsd-sparc64 list. For more info on mailing-lists: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL -- Erik Wikström
Re: hammer prune explanation
On 2008-05-10 22:59, Matthew Dillon wrote: :Yeah, I was thinking about wildcarding as well. : :But is it possible to implement it within cmd_prune.c, or do I have to :modify the ioctl kernel code? If done in cmd_prune.c, I somehow have to :iterate over all deleted files and call the prune command for it. : :I thought, it's easier to introduce a check in the kernel, whether the :file that should be pruned matches a given pattern. Doesn't sound very :hard to do, if it is easy to get the pathname for a given inode. : :Are you thinking about something like the archive flag? I think it is probably best to implement that level of sophistication in the utility rather then in the kernel. The pruning ioctl code has no concept of files or directories... literally it has no concept. All it understands, really, are object id's (aka inode numbers) and records. The hammer utility on the other hand can actually scan the filesystem hierarchy. Locating wholely deleted files and directories is not hard to do. As-of queries can be used to access earlier versions of a directory. We might want to add some kernel support to make it more efficient, for example to make it possible for the hammer utility to have visibility into all deleted directory entries. It could use that visbility to do as-of accesses and through that mechanic would thus have visibility into all deleted files and directories. Inode numbers are never reused, so the inode number (and hence object id) of a deleted file will be just as unique as the inode number for one that is still visible. : Right now any serious HAMMER user need to set up at least a daily : cron job to prune and reblock the filesystem. I add a '-t timeout' : feature to the HAMMER utility to make allow the operations to be : set up in a cron job and keep the filesystem up to snuff over a long : period of time. So, e.g. you would have a nightly cron job that : did this: : :# spend up to 5 minutes pruning the filesystem and another :# 5 minutes reblocking it, then stop. :hammer -t 300 prune /myfilesystem; hammer -t 300 reblock /myfilesystem : :Does this degrade filesystem seriously? : :Regards, : : Michael For the time it is running it will be maxing out the filesystem, e.g. similar to doing a 'find / ...'. The idea is to limit the run time (hence the -t) so your nightly cron job does a small chunk of the filesystem every night, resulting in a clean well ordered filesystem over a long period of time. So, for example, spend 10 minutes a day doing housekeeping. Filesystems are rarely operating at 100% 24x7 and there are other ways to spread out the overhead if it became necessary to do so. Usually picking a chunk of time during off-hours is sufficient. That will probably work quite well for servers which are running 24x7, but how about using HAMMER on desktops/laptops (which might not be running except when in use, though the disk might not be used all the time). Could some kind of low priority process be used instead? Perhaps one that only runs for less than a minute but instead runs every 10 minutes or so, the idea being to spread out the pruning so that it wont affect (severely) normal usage but still keep the FS in good shape. -- Erik Wikström
Re: sockets and HAMMER
On 2008-07-05 23:54, Matthew Dillon wrote: :Well, internal hard disks under 100G are getting hard to find, so I doubt :this is going to be a huge issue. It should be documented. : :There's also the possibility that things could be mounted under /, instead :of multiple partitions. Yah. I think what we are moving towards is more of a one or two-filesystem model (I think having a separate root is still important), but to make it totally practical we need to be able to set overall space limits on a per-PFS basis. (PFS == HAMMER's pseudo filesystems). This won't happen in the first release but it certainly isn't hard to accomplish. The advantage of it is that limits applied to PFSs are soft and could be adjusted up or down at any time. And since we support 65536 PFSs per HAMMER filesystem the whole mechanism could be used to soft-partition a huge filesystem for use by different machines / departments / users / whatever. No, no quotas for HAMMER yet :-) I just don't think that stuff belongs in the filesystem. We need a generic quota and MAC layer in the kernel proper. The MAC layer implemented in FreeBSD is horrible, I think we could do a lot better particularly with PFS to rough-cut the security domains. Question: Is there a minimum recommended size of a PFS, or could you create one per user? While it is not a complete replacement for quota it would at least solve some of the same problems. -- Erik Wikström
Re: console
On 2008-07-27 20:08, Zbigniew Baniewski wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 10:54:00AM -0700, Matthew Dillon wrote: :Uh, I forgot - another one: I read, that DragonFlyBSD has two releases :yearly. Wouldn't be reasonable to switch to rolling release model then? It :could mean less work for both the users ant the devs... what do you think? I don't know what you mean by a 'rolling release' model. I mean the thing described at, for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_release http://jon-reagan.blogspot.com/2008/01/linux-releases-fixed-vs-rolling-release.html People can always stay up to date by tracking the release branch or the development branch, which are updated continuously. So, does it work in the case of DF exactly the way: #v+ [..] there are no fixed releases like 0.7 or 1.0, but the whole system is on the roll, constantly updating bit by bit (not the 'bit' as in bits and bytes, but a 'bit' as in a bit of this and a bit of that). The flow of updated packages is constant [..] #v- ( http://eyedeal.team88.org/node/58 ) Yes, in a way. There are no pre-built binaries or installation CD images but ince everyone can access the source-code (even make copies of the source-tree) anyone can checkout any version they like and build and use. Either one can choose to use the absolute latest code in HEAD, or one can go the safe route and follow the changes to a release branch. A third alternative is to follow the Preview-tag, which is somewhere between a release branch and HEAD. All FOSS projects where you can access the repository allows for rolling releases, but in general I would advice against using it for a production system since every update might introduce instabilities, bugs, and other kinds of problems. In corporate settings regular releases are usually preferable since they allow for planned upgrades. -- Erik Wikström
Re: Site layout and design discussion
On 2008-08-04 06:23, Justin C. Sherrill wrote: So, since the release is past: http://www.shiningsilence.com:81/ (I got this together just before the release, so no 2.0 stuff is on it.) Questions I have for people: - How does it look to you? Nice, though a few nitpicks: * I'd like a download link in the top menu as well, it was not very intuitive to look under community to download. * I do not think the yellow table headers match the colour scheme. * When I clicked the Documentation link I expected to come to some kind of documentation page with links to stuff like the handbook, manuals and HOWTOs, not the wiki front page. Perhaps there's some sub-page on the wiki which could be used? * I'd like a cleaner download page with just information about downloading, information about different releases could be on some other page. - The front page looks plain. Who wants to contribute art? I like the clean look. This work so far doesn't take into account how the actual information is located on the site, so more questions: - What pages do you find most useful on the DragonFly site? CVSWeb, man-page, and bugs. -- Erik Wikström
Re: liveDVD
On 2008-08-30 23:53, Louisa Luciani wrote: The first version of the DragonFly LiveDVD is done! http://death.olf.sgsnet.se:8080/dragonflybsd/dfly-gui.iso.tar.bz2 The accompanying documentation can be found here for the time being: http://lolaluci.se/gsoc/index.html Please test the ISO and say what you think! I hope you like it :) Oh, very nice, I will have to try it out. I especially like the icon/logo with the dragonfly against the DVD. Bra jobbat! -- Erik Wikström
Re: RAID 1 or Hammer
On 2009-01-12 21:37, Konstantinos Pachnis wrote: On Jan 12, 2009, at 9:13 PM, Gergo Szakal wrote: nntp.dragonflybsd.org mneum...@ntecs.de wrote in message news:496b8121$0$881$415eb...@crater_reader.dragonflybsd.org ... Hi, I'm curious if RAID 1 (mirroring) really helps to protect data loss. Of course if a whole disk dies, RAID 1 has the advantage that I have an identical copy. But what happens if only a sector of one disk contains bad data. How can the RAID controller decide which is the correct sector? Or would the disk detect such a case and return an error? When the controller will try to perform an I/O operation it will fail on the faulty disk (the disk with the bad sector). As a result the controller will be able to decide which is the correct sector. Only if the sector is so damaged that you can't read it, before it gets to that state it might very well be readable (and writeable) but with corrupt data. This is the reason that ZFS keeps checksums of the data. -- Erik Wikström
Re: 1 week until Summer of Code application time
On 2009-03-05 07:36, Archimedes Gaviola wrote: Hi Justin, Just want to suggest and share this idea (without mentoring) about virtual routing based on this link here http://www.ipinfusion.com/pdf/VirtualRouting_app-note_3rev0302.pdf. Although I'm not so sure if this is already implemented in the project, so just correct me if I'm wrong. Basically, virtual routing is a concept of emulating multiple instances of routing tables (RIB and FIB) intended for running multi-independent network services. On the product I'm working on we have something similar (I have not studied the paper you provided in detail so I can't be sure it's the same thing) called a Routing Instance. Each routing instance is connected to an interface, but these interfaces are usually not actual physical interfaces rather they are usually VLAN interfaces. To be really useful you need some way to specify which to use which would probably mean to add some parameters when creating a socket to specify which routing instance to use. I don't want to sound negative (because I think it's a cool feature and a worthy challenge) but I don't see much use for it in DragonFly BSD. For a product such as the one I'm working on where we provide network connectivity for mobile devices where packets are to be routed to different corporate networks depending on the subscription (or some other criteria) it makes sense. We just create one VLAN for each network and all their packets use the associated routing instance. But I don't quite see the usefulness in the kinds of roles that (I imagine) people uses DragonFly BSD for. Perhaps OpenBSD would be more interested, they strike me as having more focus on being usable as an internal node in a network. -- Erik Wikström
Re: DragonFly 2.4.1 Released!
On 2009-10-01 18:25, Matthew Dillon wrote: 1-October-2009 DragonFly 2.4.1 has been released as promised! As we thought, a lot of minor but annoying issues cropped up with the huge 2.4.0 release. Most of the issues have been resolved in 2.4.1 and 2.4.1 is now available for download. Due to an unrelated issue with one of our primary mirror sites, if you do not see 2.4.1 on your favorite mirror you can download it from http://avalon.dragonflybsd.org/iso-images/ http://www.dragonflybsd.org/ http://www.dragonflybsd.org/release24 First of I want to say thanks to all the developers for their great work, I really appreciate it. And now for my proposal: Is it just my memory or is this not the first time we get a X.Y.1 release quite shortly after the X.Y.0 release? It seems to me like there are a lot more people who download and install the releases than there are people who follow the bleeding edge (or close after) using git. This means that a lot of bugs are only found when the releases are made and people try to install/use them. Quickly following the release a number of bug reports came in with various problems (installer not working correctly, etc.), many of which were quickly resolved. But for people with less technical skill these problems might seem like very severe, and users just wanting to test DragonFly out might come away with a negative impression. The root cause seems to be that there simply has not been enough testing before releasing, since most users will only run the released version. My proposal is that instead of releasing the code as X.Y.0 first make a X.Y.0 RC (Release Candidate). While the RC might not see as much usage as the final release there will still be many more users trying it out than the number of users following the code using git. Then a bit later when bugs have been found and fixed the real release can be made. Of course this is more or less what you are already doing, except for a change of names, X.Y.0 - X.Y.0 RC, X.Y.1 - X.Y.0. The only difference is that it will make casual users more aware of the fact that some problems are to be expected. -- Regards Erik Wikström
