Re: [libreoffice-users] Email address of the admin/moderator please?

2012-02-17 Thread Nino Novak
On Friday 17 February 2012, sharon kimble wrote:

 Does anyone know the email address of the admin or moderator of this mailing
 list please, as I need to write to them re subscribing from my gmail
 account?

should be users+owner @ global.libreoffice.org (without the blanks)

else, try this:

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-17 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:
 The place where to bring questions to the devs has to be a visible
 and accessible place.

 [...]
 
 I guess there's some work to be done to resolve those two points.
 
Hi Jean-Francois,

not necessarily - what would be equally workable is a group of
change agents (Regina, Cor, NoOp, you in this case, but also UX
people like Christoph), who have their eyes  ears here and at the
forums and convey to ux-advise or the dev list.

Also, what would greatly reduce the cost  friction that changes
will cause in the future, is early feedback. We invested quite some
resources into providing nightly builds here:

 http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/

(and my, and other hackers' personal time and money to keep those
hosts running), so any suggestion to have people actually download 
play with those builds greatly appreciated.

Cedric blogged his feature here:

 http://cedric.bosdonnat.free.fr/wordpress/?p=818

(that's also aggregated on planet.documentfoundation.org), but
possibly we could do better spreading the word - would someone
(you?) be interested in compiling a weekly or monthly newsletter for
LibreOffice?

 BTW, what if many people jump in the ux list and post thousands of
 messages? ;)
 
Well, ux-advise has a rather narrow topic, that should naturally
reduce the breadth of the discussion - otherwise, more participation
is a problem I would love to have there. ;)

 Well, I could do it, yes. In fact, as you might have seen, I did for
 the first time a few hours ago. I can say that the latest answer my
 message received is not that encouraging (in short: do it yourself.
 Doh).
 
Thanks for jumping in indeed - well, you *did* it yourself. Let's
see where that (constructive) discussion gets us to.

Cheers,

-- Thorsten

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Gmail

2012-02-17 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 00:22:40 +
sharon kimble boudic...@talktalk.net wrote:

Hello sharon,

 that I emailed a subscription request to the server half an hour ago
 from my gmail account, and I haven't heard back yet, although I've
 been checking it every ten minutes. 

Spam folder, perhaps?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Email address of the admin/moderator please?

2012-02-17 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
It occurred to me that Sharon might not be able to receive replies to the list 
that she can't subscribe to so i thought i would use CC to include her.  

Also a lot of time the users+ is treated differently from the rest of the 
address so i thought i would space the answer a little differently so that the 
entire address appears on it's own line with nothing else on that line except 
the address.  

Regards from
Tom :)

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From: Nino Novak nn.l...@kflog.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Email address of the admin/moderator please?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 17 February, 2012, 9:29

On Friday 17 February 2012, sharon kimble wrote:

 Does anyone know the email address of the admin or moderator of this mailing
 list please, as I need to write to them re subscribing from my gmail
 account?

should be 

users+owner @ global.libreoffice.org 

(without the blanks).  Else, try this:

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http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe


If all your attempts to unsubscribe just don't work, then - as a last resort - 
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postmaster @ documentfoundation.org 

and include the following information:

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    the address you're subscribed with,
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-17 Thread Fernand Vanrie

Hallo Thorsten ,

A agree, i also looked over the possible problems with no margins for a 
page, but there was no  communication over the column margins. Like i 
sayed before there are workarounds for the page margins, but working 
with columns and pictures covering more than 1 column becomes very 
problematic (imposible)


Greetz

Fernand

Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:

The place where to bring questions to the devs has to be a visible
and accessible place.

[...]

I guess there's some work to be done to resolve those two points.


Hi Jean-Francois,

not necessarily - what would be equally workable is a group of
change agents (Regina, Cor, NoOp, you in this case, but also UX
people like Christoph), who have their eyes  ears here and at the
forums and convey to ux-advise or the dev list.

Also, what would greatly reduce the cost  friction that changes
will cause in the future, is early feedback. We invested quite some
resources into providing nightly builds here:

  http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/

(and my, and other hackers' personal time and money to keep those
hosts running), so any suggestion to have people actually download
play with those builds greatly appreciated.

Cedric blogged his feature here:

  http://cedric.bosdonnat.free.fr/wordpress/?p=818

(that's also aggregated on planet.documentfoundation.org), but
possibly we could do better spreading the word - would someone
(you?) be interested in compiling a weekly or monthly newsletter for
LibreOffice?


BTW, what if many people jump in the ux list and post thousands of
messages? ;)


Well, ux-advise has a rather narrow topic, that should naturally
reduce the breadth of the discussion - otherwise, more participation
is a problem I would love to have there. ;)


Well, I could do it, yes. In fact, as you might have seen, I did for
the first time a few hours ago. I can say that the latest answer my
message received is not that encouraging (in short: do it yourself.
Doh).


Thanks for jumping in indeed - well, you *did* it yourself. Let's
see where that (constructive) discussion gets us to.

Cheers,

-- Thorsten




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Re: [libreoffice-users] How do I change page orientation for only ONE page in Writer?

2012-02-17 Thread Konstantinos Tzoannopoulos
Thanks everyone. Sorry for my delayed reply.

2012/2/4 Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com

 Open the Styles and Formating window. (Use the F11 key to do this.)
 In the row of tools at the top of this window, click the Page Styles
 (fourth from the   left.) Default should be highlighted.  Insert a page
 break: Insert  Manual Break. Page Break will be selected. If it is not,
 click it. Below this is the Style drop down list. Open this list, and
 select Landscape from it. Click OK.
  If the next page already exists and you want it to be portrait,
 you will have to create another page break at the bottom of the
 Landscape page to change the page style back to Default.
 If the next page does not exist yet: Right click the Landscape page
 style and select Modify from the context menu. Click the Organizer tab.
 The Next Style box has Landscape as the default next style. Change
 Landscape to Default. Click OK. When you complete the Landscape page,
 Writer will automatically make the next page Portrait.
  Doing this is all about styles. The Writer Guide explains how to
 do this and has screenshots to help in the explanation. It is a good
 reference any number of problems that may appear when using Writer.

 --Dan

 On Sat, 2012-02-04 at 10:30 +0100, Daniel Wibbing wrote:
  Hi Konstantinos,
 
  you could convert the page of which you want to change the orientation
 into a Title page:
  Format/ Tilte Page … / Convert existing pages to title pages / Place
 title pages at page 3 (e.g.) / Edit Page Properties /Orientation Landscape
  However when I tried this, the first page of the document would also
 change its orientation. I don't know how to switch this off.
  Does that help you in any way?
 
  Daniel
 
 
  Am 31.01.2012 um 12:31 schrieb Konstantinos Tzoannopoulos:
 
   What the subject says - I need to change the orientation of only ONE
 page
   in Writer, but for some reason it only lets me do it for ALL the pages.
   Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
  
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Spell check for 3.4.5 on Win7 not working

2012-02-17 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions


Sorry Tom, but I installed the one I always use for initial Java install 
before I install LO.


As I id say, I hope to get access to the laptop soon to connect it to 
the Net and work on the problem[s].  Then I can get all of the Win7 
updates and get the utility software as well.


On 02/16/2012 08:15 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Hmm, weird.  Perhaps it's too high a version of java?  Is it using a more 
recent version than 6u21?
Regards from
Tom :)

--- On Fri, 17/2/12, webmaster for Kracked Press 
Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com  wrote:

From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Spell check for 3.4.5 on Win7 not working
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 17 February, 2012, 0:20


Her laptop is faster than my quad.  It is a desktop replacement.

There is hardly any space used on the drive itself.  She has not had
time to place anything on it.

I wish I had a machine as fast as her laptop.

I still have to add Virus protection and other utilities as well.  LO
was the first package to be installed on the thing.  I added some video
files [less than 3 Gig total] to the laptop so she could watch them later.

So I doubt it is an issue with a too full system or one needing to be
defragged, etc., etc..  She has had it less than 1 week and I said, I
was the first one to place anything on the drive.  She does not even
have Internet yet.

On 02/16/2012 09:30 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Sounds like her machine was just being a bit slow.  If that is Windows then perhaps 
defrag, Disk Clean-up, perhaps uninstall the 2nd and 3rd antivirus program.  
Watch out for auto-scans and defrags.  Empty the wastebin and the wastebin of the 
emailing program she uses.  Windows performance seems to suddenly drop off if the 'drive' 
is over 80% full.  If the defragger shows 21% free space then that is about as good as it 
gets unless you can get it right down to almost nothing on the hard-drive (unlikely) when 
there seems to be another slight boost in performance.  Set the virtual memory to a fixed 
size about 2xRam or a little less, anything over Ram but below 2xRam is about perfect.  
The virtual memory is probably heavily fragmented as it's been randomly changing size and 
throwing bits of itself all over the drive.  Setting it to a fixed size stops it getting 
worse.  The standard Windows defragger can't do system-files, such as the virtual
memory (pagefile.sys on Xp and earlier), which are usually the ones that 
make the biggest difference.  Hmmm, ideally a reinstall of Windows and then set the 
virtual memory might be best but it takes a LOT of time to install all the other programs 
and tweak and update everything.  Maybe LO took her just over the 80%?

On pretty much any OS check what processes start-up when the machine is booted up and when scheduled tasks are due to run.  I tend to switch all that off (or at least the bits i know how to do myself, such as defrags, updates and antivirus-scans) and then try to remember to do maintenance tasks at a time to suit myself.   


Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Thu, 16/2/12, webmaster for Kracked Press 
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From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Spell check for 3.4.5 on Win7 not working
To: LibreO - Users Globalusers@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 16 February, 2012, 12:36

I loaded 3.4.5 onto a Win7 [64-bit] laptop yesterday at a meeting for a lady.  
She wanted to use LO to type up the notes of the meeting right there.

But after she saved the document, she clicked on the spell check icon and the windows came up empty 
with a not responding text in the pop up window name.

Anyone have that problem with a newer HP laptop?

Any idea how to fix this?

I did not have the time to try to work with her to figure out what the issue 
was, but I hope to get with her soon to fix the problem and add more free 
software to her brand new laptop.



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[libreoffice-users] LibreO-Base is lying about my age -- The End!

2012-02-17 Thread Pertti Rönnberg

Andreas, Dan, Drew - and others
Thank you very much for your help and giving me your time.
I really admire you for your enthusiasm to helping others.

Even if I did not directly get all the answers, you forced me to 
investigate - I have learned a lot!
The situation regarding the function DATEDIFF('year', ...) in 
LibreO-Base/HSQLDB seems to be:


1. from SQL's point of view does LO-BHSQLDB calculate the 
function quite correctly.
 It is not a matter of mathematics - nor are there any int() or 
roundings;  it is a matter of (not so logical!) definition that you 
simply have to be aware of.
DATEDIFF() does not calculate the difference between the given dates:  
it calculates the difference between the datepart values that it has 
extracted from the given datevalues using the selected datepart type 
(year, yy, mm, dd, etc).  From two dates 2.11.1939 and 17.2.2012 
DIFFDATE('year',..) calculates with the 'year' values 1939 and 2012.
With datepart 'mm' it calculates first from each given datevalue the 
total amount of months, extracts them, and then calcs the difference; to 
get the result in years the function shall be divided by 12 (as Drew 
said).  Alternatively do DATEDIFF('dd',...)/365.
2.in most other SQL db-generators '' is a valid abbreviation 
for 'year' but obviously not in HSQLDB (v.2.2) and thus not in 
LibreO-Base either..


I think that this was not quite clear for all you neither.

I apologize for being a little irritated.
All the best
Pertti Rönnberg

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with vertical scroll bar in LibreOffice Writer 3.5 for Mac OS X

2012-02-17 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I think posting a bug-report would be great
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport

I have not heard of other people having the same problem but it is probably 
happening to others too and they are just being quiet about it.
Regards from
Tom :)


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From: Kal Sze (@k_sze) swordan...@gmail.com
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Problem with vertical scroll bar in LibreOffice 
Writer 3.5 for Mac OS X
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 17 February, 2012, 6:29

There seems to be a problem with the vertical scroll bar when editing
documents in LibreOffice Writer 3.5 for Mac OS X.

When the document is long enough and the vertical scroll bar shows up, I
have to click the very top of the scroll bar handle in order to drag it; if
I click even slightly lower, Writer will directly page-down instead of
allowing me to drag the handle.

Even worse, if the document is so long that the scroll bar handle becomes
about only 0.5 cm long, the clickable zone of the scroll bar handle
completely disappears, such that regardless of which part of the scroll bar
handle I click, Writer will either directly page-up or page-down.

Is every Mac user experiencing the same problem?

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RE: [libreoffice-users] Spell check for 3.4.5 on Win7 not working

2012-02-17 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I know LibreOffice 3.5.0 can use java 1.7 but i doubt that has been back-ported 
to all other releases that people are using out there.  Java is going to be a 
problem until we can get rid of any dependence on it completely.  It's not our 
devs fault that Oracle can't write something that isn't broken and vulnerable 
before Oracle release it.  
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Fri, 17/2/12, V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu wrote:

From: V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Spell check for 3.4.5 on Win7 not working
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 17 February, 2012, 1:47

Tom,

It is buried down in the Dev list, but the LibO BASE JDBC performance issues 
with the Java JRE are fixed by changes to the JDBC driver to reduce JNI 
Attach/DetachThread cycles, the 35023 bug 
(https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35023 ) is closed.

We should no longer be pusing the JRE 1.6u21--current JRE 1.6u31 or 1.7u3 are 
fully acceptable.

Look elseware for the issue with spell check.

Stuart

-Original Message-
From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 7:16 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Spell check for 3.4.5 on Win7 not working

Hi :)
Hmm, weird.  Perhaps it's too high a version of java?  Is it using a more 
recent version than 6u21?
Regards from
Tom :)




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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-users] Word import TOC link style

2012-02-17 Thread Barleyman
Hei, 

Yes, that's fine in theory how to adjust existing TOCs but it doesn't
actually tell me how to make these links use index link automagically when
I open a word document in writer. I don't also see any way to change the TOC
defaults. I can insert a TOC in the template, yes, but that will only
achieve having a TOC in all new documents (?). TOC settings do not appear in
the style manager or any other place I've found. I can only see them when
inserting a new TOC or editing an existing one. 

WRT template changer, I'm not really sure it's really faster than changing
the internet link -style. The keyword here is how to make this happen
automagically. I'd love to recommend libreoffice as a handy indexed PDF
creator but those amateurish looking garish TOC entries are just not
professional looking at all in a document that's supposed to be handed to
clients.

If you have read a 400-page microcontroller handbook in PDF that isn't
indexed you know it'd be pretty easy sell..


Tom wrote
 
 Hi :)
 Thanks Jean :)  So, that is Chapter 12 of the Writer Guide in this link
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Writer_Guide
 or at the official website's documentation (same guide is on both)
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 --- On Wed, 15/2/12, Jean Weber hidden wrote:
 
 From: Jean Weber hidden
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-users] Word
 import TOC link style
 To: documentation@.libreoffice
 Date: Wednesday, 15 February, 2012, 20:20
 
 What template is used for import? If it's the default template for
 Writer docs, he could set a custom default template.
 
 Otherwise, after import he could use Template Changer to apply his
 custom template; that should be faster than changing the style each
 time.
 
 Aside: instead of changing the Internet link style in order to
 change the TOC's appearance (which also changes it for actual internet
 links), I would change the Index Link style and apply that style to
 the TOC. I think there are instructions about how to change the TOC's
 link style in the Writer Guide's chapter on TOCs.
 
 --Jean
 
 So far so good but the default style for TOC items and links in word
 document is internet link style which is to my mind rather ugly
 underlined
 blue. Word uses black font for the TOC-style links normally and blue
 links
 only for actual internet links.


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-users] Word import TOC link style

2012-02-17 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I am not sure but when you have a ToC it picks-up new headings that have the 
appropriate style applied doesn't it?  

So if you have it so that the ToC picks-up Heading1 and Heading2.  Then you
1.  write a couple of words 
2.  apply the style Heading2 to those words
3.  right-click in the ToC and tell it to update

So set-up a ToC for a short document, delete the contents but leave the ToC 
(which will look fairly blank) and then save as an OpenDocument Format (a .OTT 
in this case i think) template?
Regards from
Tom :)


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From: Barleyman olli...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-users] Word import 
TOC link style
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 17 February, 2012, 15:27

Hei, 

Yes, that's fine in theory how to adjust existing TOCs but it doesn't
actually tell me how to make these links use index link automagically when
I open a word document in writer. I don't also see any way to change the TOC
defaults. I can insert a TOC in the template, yes, but that will only
achieve having a TOC in all new documents (?). TOC settings do not appear in
the style manager or any other place I've found. I can only see them when
inserting a new TOC or editing an existing one. 

WRT template changer, I'm not really sure it's really faster than changing
the internet link -style. The keyword here is how to make this happen
automagically. I'd love to recommend libreoffice as a handy indexed PDF
creator but those amateurish looking garish TOC entries are just not
professional looking at all in a document that's supposed to be handed to
clients.

If you have read a 400-page microcontroller handbook in PDF that isn't
indexed you know it'd be pretty easy sell..


Tom wrote
 
 Hi :)
 Thanks Jean :)  So, that is Chapter 12 of the Writer Guide in this link
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Writer_Guide
 or at the official website's documentation (same guide is on both)
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 --- On Wed, 15/2/12, Jean Weber hidden wrote:
 
 From: Jean Weber hidden
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-users] Word
 import TOC link style
 To: documentation@.libreoffice
 Date: Wednesday, 15 February, 2012, 20:20
 
 What template is used for import? If it's the default template for
 Writer docs, he could set a custom default template.
 
 Otherwise, after import he could use Template Changer to apply his
 custom template; that should be faster than changing the style each
 time.
 
 Aside: instead of changing the Internet link style in order to
 change the TOC's appearance (which also changes it for actual internet
 links), I would change the Index Link style and apply that style to
 the TOC. I think there are instructions about how to change the TOC's
 link style in the Writer Guide's chapter on TOCs.
 
 --Jean
 
 So far so good but the default style for TOC items and links in word
 document is internet link style which is to my mind rather ugly
 underlined
 blue. Word uses black font for the TOC-style links normally and blue
 links
 only for actual internet links.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-17 Thread Paul D. Mirowsky

What you see is what you get is the rule of thumb.
It's an interface for human beings.
Anything else is asking for trouble.

On 2/14/2012 11:20 AM, noibs wrote:

I just upgraded to 3.5 from 3.4.4.  There are no page margins visible for my
Writer documents last saved in 3.4.4.  Am I missing something?  I've looked
for a preference and can't find one.  I'm using Mac OS 10.7.3.

Thanks.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can't find folder for templates

2012-02-17 Thread John Jason Jordan
On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:30:40 -0800 (PST)
Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de dijo:

FileTemplatesSave... will store the template in the right directory
FileTemplatesand
register it so it appears in FileNewTemplates and in
FileTemplatesOrganize...
ToolsOptionsPaths shows all the paths used by the office suite.

Thanks. Problem solved.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-17 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker

Le 17/02/2012 17:51, Paul D. Mirowsky a écrit :

What you see is what you get is the rule of thumb.
It's an interface for human beings.
Anything else is asking for trouble.



Do you mean you never display the unprintable chars?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreO-Base is lying about my age -- The End!

2012-02-17 Thread drew
On Fri, 2012-02-17 at 16:49 +0200, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:
 Andreas, Dan, Drew - and others
 Thank you very much for your help and giving me your time.
 I really admire you for your enthusiasm to helping others.
 
 Even if I did not directly get all the answers, you forced me to 
 investigate - I have learned a lot!
 The situation regarding the function DATEDIFF('year', ...) in 
 LibreO-Base/HSQLDB seems to be:
 
 1. from SQL's point of view does LO-BHSQLDB calculate the 
 function quite correctly.
   It is not a matter of mathematics - nor are there any int() or 
 roundings;  it is a matter of (not so logical!) definition that you 
 simply have to be aware of.
 DATEDIFF() does not calculate the difference between the given dates:  
 it calculates the difference between the datepart values that it has 
 extracted from the given datevalues using the selected datepart type 
 (year, yy, mm, dd, etc).  From two dates 2.11.1939 and 17.2.2012 
 DIFFDATE('year',..) calculates with the 'year' values 1939 and 2012.
 With datepart 'mm' it calculates first from each given datevalue the 
 total amount of months, extracts them, and then calcs the difference; to 
 get the result in years the function shall be divided by 12 (as Drew 
 said).  Alternatively do DATEDIFF('dd',...)/365.
 2.in most other SQL db-generators '' is a valid abbreviation 
 for 'year' but obviously not in HSQLDB (v.2.2) and thus not in 
 LibreO-Base either..

OK - just a quick note..

Base DOES NOT use hsql2.2, rather it's using 1.8 (and a patched versio n
of that to boot) .. so watch you don't get caught with inconsistencies
there from the 2.2 docs.

Also - / 12 is fine, but Andreas gave you the complete solution,
accounting for the current date being also your birth anniversary.

Anyway - good luck with your endeavors.

//drew



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-17 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker

Hi Thorsten,

Le 17/02/2012 10:24, Thorsten Behrens a écrit :

Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:

The place where to bring questions to the devs has to be a visible
and accessible place.

[...]

I guess there's some work to be done to resolve those two points.



not necessarily - what would be equally workable is a group of
change agents (Regina, Cor, NoOp, you in this case, but also UX
people like Christoph), who have their eyes  ears here and at the
forums and convey to ux-advise or the dev list.


Good point and certainly a workable intermediate option. Unfortunately, 
reading some of the msgs on UX lead me to think the devs aren't ready 
for that.




Also, what would greatly reduce the cost  friction that changes
will cause in the future, is early feedback.


Granted.


We invested quite some
resources into providing nightly builds here:

  http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/

(and my, and other hackers' personal time and money to keep those
hosts running), so any suggestion to have people actually download
play with those builds greatly appreciated.


I, for one, have no time enough to play with all the toys that come up 
in the Libre software world. I happen to download and test LibO builds, 
but that's not on a regular basis and much of what I learn is from 
others' mouths.




Cedric blogged his feature here:

  http://cedric.bosdonnat.free.fr/wordpress/?p=818

(that's also aggregated on planet.documentfoundation.org),


Yes, but that blog article (like most of the msgs that were posted on 
the lists) was aimed at headers and footers, not text boundaries that I 
feel are considered as some kind of a sub-product from the latter. I 
did participate on the FR discussion list to the header/footer talks 
but, at that time, left completely apart the text boundaries. I should 
have been more vocal about that, certainly, but I stood on topic... :(



but
possibly we could do better spreading the word - would someone
(you?) be interested in compiling a weekly or monthly newsletter for
LibreOffice?


More simply: give more visibility to the UX list. I share your thoughts 
that given it's aim, many won't subscribe. But those interested will 
know of its existence.



Thanks for jumping in indeed - well, you *did* it yourself. Let's
see where that (constructive) discussion gets us to.


sigh


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RE: [libreoffice-users] Spell check for 3.4.5 on Win7 not working

2012-02-17 Thread V Stuart Foote
Tom,

No. You've misunderstood the whole Java JRE and BASE HSQLDB performance issue. 
Problem is not and never was with the Sun/Oracle Java JRE. The past problem 
with LibO and OOo HSQLDB performance was with process thread creation in the 
LibO/OOo JDBC interface.

The dev patch (by Stephen Bergmann) for Bug 35023 Base functions extremely 
slowly with Java 1.6.0_20 and 1.6.0_24 has been applied to the 3.5.0 core, 
and may make it into 3.4.6; but use of a 1.6u21 JRE was only a work around for 
LibO's BASE native HSQLDB 1.8 performance issues as that version of the JRE 
handled needed threads differently. 

Use of Java JRE 1.7 (with Oracle Corp ownership strings) was back ported to 
3.4.5--so no issue there. Look for issues with spell check elsewhere.

Stuart 

-Original Message-
From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:05 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Spell check for 3.4.5 on Win7 not working

Hi :)
I know LibreOffice 3.5.0 can use java 1.7 but i doubt that has been back-ported 
to all other releases that people are using out there.  Java is going to be a 
problem until we can get rid of any dependence on it completely.  It's not our 
devs fault that Oracle can't write something that isn't broken and vulnerable 
before Oracle release it. Regards from Tom :)


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From: V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Spell check for 3.4.5 on Win7 not working
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 17 February, 2012, 1:47

Tom,

It is buried down in the Dev list, but the LibO BASE JDBC performance issues 
with the Java JRE are fixed by changes to the JDBC driver to reduce JNI 
Attach/DetachThread cycles, the 35023 bug 
(https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35023 ) is closed.

We should no longer be pusing the JRE 1.6u21--current JRE 1.6u31 or 1.7u3 are 
fully acceptable.

Look elseware for the issue with spell check.

Stuart



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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

2012-02-17 Thread Paul D. Mirowsky

Absolutely not.
Everything has a time and a place.

The time for the entire page including its edge may be preview mode to 
some, just not me.
No doubt, I would never try to make a database form document with out 
looking very carefully at every unprintable character I could find.


On 2/17/2012 12:14 PM, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:

Le 17/02/2012 17:51, Paul D. Mirowsky a écrit :

What you see is what you get is the rule of thumb.
It's an interface for human beings.
Anything else is asking for trouble.



Do you mean you never display the unprintable chars?



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[libreoffice-users] LO 3.5 Impress - No image.

2012-02-17 Thread Tinkerer
The Mac PPC version of LO 3.5 does not show images in Impress Slide Show.
Adding images to a slide produces the error Graphics Filter Not Found.
The Mac Intel version does not have this problem, neither does the PPC
version if you use LO 3.4.5
Can someone confirm this?

Tink.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Problem with vertical scroll bar in LibreOffice Writer 3.5 for Mac OS X

2012-02-17 Thread Tinkerer
I am using an Intel Mac and LO 3.5
I was not aware of the fault, but I have since tried loading a 12MB document
and yes, there is a problem with the vertical scroll bar.
I am not sure that this is a LO fault though.

Tink.

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[libreoffice-users] Web based LibreOffice Q+A site online.

2012-02-17 Thread drew
Hi,

I would like to introduce you to the newest member of the LibreOffice
website family.

http://ask.libreoffice.org

The AskLibO website provides a space where you can ask (and answer!)
questions related to LibreOffice. 

AskLibo is a modern Q+A site, not a Bulletin Board style web forum. So
for those not familiar with such sites, please just dismiss it because
it is new, this type of support site if proving quite valuable for many
communities.

However, as with a BBS forum, or this mail list forum even, it only
functions to meet user needs when others volunteer their time to answer
questions.

I would encourage anyone interested in helping to deliver quality
support to the LibreOffie user community to look kindly on helping do
so. 

For those that simply prefer this mailing list 
- not to worry - it is not going anywhere.

One Note: Presently the askLibO website UI is English only, the TDF
system administrators are working with the developers of askbot (the
tool used at the site) to provide localization of both user interface
and questions/answers.

Finally - a big thank you to Alexander Werner for all his hard work in
getting the site up and running.

Best wishes,

Drew Jensen




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[libreoffice-users] Install LO 3.5 on Kubuntu 10.04.03 LTS - 64 bit

2012-02-17 Thread William Colls
Just installed 3.5. The process did not return any errors, but the menus were
not updated to reflect the newly installed programs. When I installed 3.4.5
on a similar machine about a month ago, the menus did get updated. On
examination I also noted that the libreoffice3.5 executable was not linked
into /usr/bin, as the libreoffice3.4 was.

Anyone else had this problem?

Aside from adding the entries by hand, and one know of a fix?

Thanks for your time.

William.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Web based LibreOffice Q+A site online.

2012-02-17 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Wow! That looks confusing at first glance.  It makes a lot more sense after 
just a couple of clicks and half-hearted poking around.  I'm in :)

Thanks for all the hard work Drew and all :)
Many regards from
Tom :)


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From: drew d...@baseanswers.com
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Web based LibreOffice Q+A site online.
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 17 February, 2012, 21:41

Hi,

I would like to introduce you to the newest member of the LibreOffice
website family.

http://ask.libreoffice.org

The AskLibO website provides a space where you can ask (and answer!)
questions related to LibreOffice. 

AskLibo is a modern Q+A site, not a Bulletin Board style web forum. So
for those not familiar with such sites, please just dismiss it because
it is new, this type of support site if proving quite valuable for many
communities.

However, as with a BBS forum, or this mail list forum even, it only
functions to meet user needs when others volunteer their time to answer
questions.

I would encourage anyone interested in helping to deliver quality
support to the LibreOffie user community to look kindly on helping do
so. 

For those that simply prefer this mailing list 
- not to worry - it is not going anywhere.

One Note: Presently the askLibO website UI is English only, the TDF
system administrators are working with the developers of askbot (the
tool used at the site) to provide localization of both user interface
and questions/answers.

Finally - a big thank you to Alexander Werner for all his hard work in
getting the site up and running.

Best wishes,

Drew Jensen




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Web based LibreOffice Q+A site online.

2012-02-17 Thread drew
On Fri, 2012-02-17 at 22:05 +, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 Wow! That looks confusing at first glance.  It makes a lot more sense after 
 just a couple of clicks and half-hearted poking around.  I'm in :)

Perhaps - but in reality it is just the next step in forum design,
applying lessons learned from the past - it is also a design with a very
focused purpose - support.

When this type of site was advanced by Alex I was rather skeptical but I
put a lot of time into researching how they where working out on other
projects - they are not a magic bullet, meaning that they can fail to
thrive just as any other site might.. but they also offer a lot of good
results when there is an active group of knowledgeable responders to
users questions present.

So - this is _not_ a discussion board, nor is it a social site. Of those
sites I surveyed, which where flourishing, this distinction is actively
enforced when necessary.

 
 Thanks for all the hard work Drew and all :)

well, to be clear - I did nothing on this, it is all Alex's work!

Best wishes,

//drew

snip

 
 Hi,
 
 I would like to introduce you to the newest member of the LibreOffice
 website family.
 
 http://ask.libreoffice.org
 
 The AskLibO website provides a space where you can ask (and answer!)
 questions related to LibreOffice. 
 

snip


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Install LO 3.5 on Kubuntu 10.04.03 LTS - 64 bit

2012-02-17 Thread Don C. Myers

Hi William,

I've done many installs of LibreOffice on Ubuntu. I always download the 
proper version from the LibreOffice site directly, and then extract it 
to the desktop, and then run the following three commands in the 
terminal: (These are for the 64 bit version only of LibreOffice 3.4.5. 
You can modify them for LibreOffice 3.5. I most likely will not move to 
3.5 until 3.5.2 or 3.5.3.)

1. sudo apt-get remove libreoffice*.*
2. sudo dpkg -i 
~/Desktop/LibO_3.4.5rc2_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US/DEBS/*.deb
3. sudo dpkg -i 
~/Desktop/LibO_3.4.5rc2_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US/DEBS/desktop-integration/libreoffice3.4-debian-menus_3.4-502_all.deb 



I've always needed to install the menus (line 3 above) separately from 
the application itself.


Don


On 02/17/2012 04:52 PM, William Colls wrote:

Just installed 3.5. The process did not return any errors, but the menus were
not updated to reflect the newly installed programs. When I installed 3.4.5
on a similar machine about a month ago, the menus did get updated. On
examination I also noted that the libreoffice3.5 executable was not linked
into /usr/bin, as the libreoffice3.4 was.

Anyone else had this problem?

Aside from adding the entries by hand, and one know of a fix?

Thanks for your time.

William.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Web based LibreOffice Q+A site online.

2012-02-17 Thread Mario Moder

Am 17.02.2012 22:41, schrieb drew:

Hi,

I would like to introduce you to the newest member of the LibreOffice
website family.

http://ask.libreoffice.org


Thanks for sharing this! Never heard of askbot before (me stackexchange 
fanboy ;-)


These kind of Q+A sites can really bring community support to a whole 
new level as they (IMHO) combine the best features of a forum, a mailing 
list and a wiki while being accessible through a single site/login and 
being easy to use.


So many thanks to the people who established this site!

To all the other supporters and myself: Go create an account and 
start/continue supporting ;-)



Mario


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Web based LibreOffice Q+A site online.

2012-02-17 Thread Pedro

drewjensen wrote
 
 Finally - a big thank you to Alexander Werner for all his hard work in
 getting the site up and running.
 

Congratulations to Alexander. I had already tested and collaborated on the
trial askbot site. 

I think this a fantastic tool AND it has OpenID sign in validation. I hope
all LibreOffice sites follow this trend (especially bugzilla!)

Regards,
Pedro

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Fw: LibreO-Base is lying about my age!

2012-02-17 Thread jorge
Hi:

I suggest to do this:

If 

A1: 2/11/1939
B1: =Now()

Input in A3:

=ROUNDDOWN ((B1-A1)/365)

outcome: 72

Regards,

Jorge Rodríguez
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El jue, 16-02-2012 a las 13:40 +0200, p...@elisanet.fi escribió:
 --- Alkuperäinen viesti ---
 Aihe: LibreO-Base is lying about my age!
 Päiväys: 15.2.2012 17:46
 Lähettäjä: Pertti Rönnberg [p...@elisanet.fi]
 Kopio: Pertti Rönnberg [p...@elisanet.fi]
 
 Dear all of you,
 First an opinion - correct me if wrong!
 I've got the idea that this is kind of a help-desk where every LibreO 
 user can both ask for help and give info about problems related to 
 LibreO's components. Without any bad feelings afterwards!
 Referring to the irrelevant debates recently and also my own 
 experiences some weeks ago I would say that a real expert has the 
 ability to concentrate on the question as-it-is and give a relevant 
 answer -- he has knowledge enough to understand that there are no silly 
 or wrong questions.
 Every question has its reason - and every question is valuable because 
 it indicates that there may be something to repair or do better in LibreO.
 There is a truth in quality systems (e.g. ISO 9000): without 
 identifying the weaknesses there is no development.
 
 _And now to my contribution to make LibreO better:_
 I need to calculate in LO-Base the difference between an 'olddate' and 
 today expressed in whole years (no decimals)
 The main procedure seems to be the same in LO-Base and OOo as in MSAccess.
 The function I placed in the query field is (ref. also to guides in LO  
 OOo):
  datediff('year',table1.olddate,current_date)  or  
 datediff('year',olddate,current_date)
 
 When I inserted my birthdate (2.11.1939) in 'olddate' my computer states 
 that I am 73 - I'm NOT, I'm still only 72!
 The correct result is 72,225 years;  and the desired answer without 
 decimals 72.
  I got the same wrong result (73) both in LO-Base and in OOo-Base
  the wrong result is not logical - it can not be a rounding up, nor 
 is it a result of an 'int()'-function
  if I replaced 'year' with 'dd' or 'mm' or 'yy' the function works  
 -- but
 when replaced 'year' with '' the function stopped working  (why - 
 'year' and '' ought to be equal!)
  the query field does not accept the expression int(datediff(..etc))
  the date-format is equal (finnish - see above) in every relevant field
  my OS is Windows7Professional/32Bit
 
 I also tried the formula /year(current_date - olddate)/ but the query 
 did not accept it as a valid expression - can I put that formula 
 anywhere else?
 
 Anyone there who can tell me how I shall get the LO-Base to be honest?
 Regards
 Pertti Rönnberg
 
 
 
 

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Atentamente,

Jorge Rodríguez


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Problem with vertical scroll bar in LibreOffice Writer 3.5 for Mac OS X

2012-02-17 Thread Larry Gusaas

On 2012-02-17 12:29 AM  Kal Sze (@k_sze) wrote:

There seems to be a problem with the vertical scroll bar when editing
documents in LibreOffice Writer 3.5 for Mac OS X.

When the document is long enough and the vertical scroll bar shows up, I
have to click the very top of the scroll bar handle in order to drag it; if
I click even slightly lower, Writer will directly page-down instead of
allowing me to drag the handle.

Even worse, if the document is so long that the scroll bar handle becomes
about only 0.5 cm long, the clickable zone of the scroll bar handle
completely disappears, such that regardless of which part of the scroll bar
handle I click, Writer will either directly page-up or page-down.

Is every Mac user experiencing the same problem?


I have no problem. The scroll bar handle does get smaller with multiple page files but is still 
quite usable on a 250 page document.


The handle is the same size for a specific document when opened in LibreOffice 3.5, OOo 3.3, 
Pages, Bean, or TextEdit.


What version of OS X are you using? (I have version 10.6.8) There is a change in scroll bars in 
Lion (Version 10.7).



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Problem with vertical scroll bar in LibreOffice Writer 3.5 for Mac OS X

2012-02-17 Thread Kal Sze (@k_sze)
I'm using LibreOffice 3.5 on Mac OS X Lion 10.7.3.


Larry Gusaas wrote
 
 On 2012-02-17 12:29 AM  Kal Sze (@k_sze) wrote:
 There seems to be a problem with the vertical scroll bar when editing
 documents in LibreOffice Writer 3.5 for Mac OS X.

 When the document is long enough and the vertical scroll bar shows up, I
 have to click the very top of the scroll bar handle in order to drag it;
 if
 I click even slightly lower, Writer will directly page-down instead of
 allowing me to drag the handle.

 Even worse, if the document is so long that the scroll bar handle becomes
 about only 0.5 cm long, the clickable zone of the scroll bar handle
 completely disappears, such that regardless of which part of the scroll
 bar
 handle I click, Writer will either directly page-up or page-down.

 Is every Mac user experiencing the same problem?
 
 I have no problem. The scroll bar handle does get smaller with multiple
 page files but is still 
 quite usable on a 250 page document.
 
 The handle is the same size for a specific document when opened in
 LibreOffice 3.5, OOo 3.3, 
 Pages, Bean, or TextEdit.
 
 What version of OS X are you using? (I have version 10.6.8) There is a
 change in scroll bars in 
 Lion (Version 10.7).
 
 
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 Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
 An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind
 theirs. - Edgard Varese
 
 
 
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Problem with vertical scroll bar in LibreOffice Writer 3.5 for Mac OS X

2012-02-17 Thread Larry Gusaas

On 2012-02-17 9:32 PM  Kal Sze (@k_sze) wrote:

I'm using LibreOffice 3.5 on Mac OS X Lion 10.7.3.


Are you scrollbars hidden by default until you need them? If so try enabling 
the to always show.
Go into System Preferences, then General and set Show Scroll Bars to Always.

I'm not using Lion so don't know if this will help but it is worth a try.

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