[libreoffice-users] Re: Base - need to re-point a form
OK, a supplementary if I may! I am accessing the remote MySQL database using com.mysql.jdbc.Driver. When I access the data by opening the table or using the form it is read-only. Any ideas again? John On 17 October 2012 20:25, John Clegg john.cl...@nailsea.net wrote: I have a base file attached to a MySQL database on a remote server. I have a form that I use to view and edit the data in one table. Others also access the database, and I need to experiment with the data in that table without molesting the master copy. One solution would be to make a complete copy of the database, but as I want to make copies of the main table many times a day that would be a laborious solution It is easy to make a duplicate of the main table within the database, and also easy to make a copy of the form in the base file, but what I need to do now is point the copy of the form at the copy of the table. I thought it might be possible to open the odb file as a zip file and find the form data containing the table name somewhere in it, and edit it to the copy table name, but I haven't succeeded yet. Does anybody know if this is possible - or even if there is a much easier way? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ...
Hi Joel, I think nobody blames the dev team for not working enough; in contrast all appreciate the work done by the dev team, being it new features or bug fixes. For my understanding the concerns and opinions expressed here are more related to the ratio of devs being allocate to new features versus bug fixes. I think most of us also understand that first the number of devs is limited, and second the decision on how many devs on new features and how many on bug fixes is not an easy one. It is a management decisions, which can turn out right or wrong. And for management decisions one needs a lot of information. Speaking for myself I would regard these comments as additional information. In this sense, please regard the messages in this forum as additional information, which could.should help decision makers to make decisions. And should a decision turn out to be wrong, there is no problem in changing course. The worst thing a manager can do is, not to make a decision. Without decision there is no change to the situation and thus no chance for improvement. Let me thank here again all devs doing great jobs in developing and improving LO. ROSt Maybe I take C++ classes when I retire LO would be worth to do. On 18.10.2012 14:36, Joel Madero wrote: Let alone regressions which are just accepted as a part of software development. Ultimately, mistakes happen, and when a software code base has been transferred left and right and had a ton of people randomly working on it (which is exactly what happens with open source software), a lot of the job of a developer coming onto the project is just playing catch up and guessing and what a previous developer was attempting to do. Again, I highly suggest taking a few C++ classes and then it'll become apparent that the idea that we should stop everything and get every single bug squashed (5,000), is not a realistic stance. We should and we are (I guarantee this) doing everything in our power to prioritize bugs and take care of those bugs that are a) most annoying b) affecting the most users c) resulting in data loss We are a young project and this is a goal that has been set. Being young, this is a goal, not a fact. If you're interested in seeing how much work is done on a daily basis, just follow gerrit (our code tracker), or sit in IRC and look at the incredibly brilliant conversations that happen to find solutions to many of the problems that are being reported. Just to give another point, we are averaging more than 5 new reports PER DAY. Our QA team is a group of volunteers no more than 7 or 8 strong. Each of these bugs has to go through a long process just to verify, ensure that it's not a duplicate, communicate with the user who reported it, and then priortize it. That's JUST getting the bug confirmed, then it gets put into the stack where a very small group of dedicated developers tackle them, one by one. A single bug can take a week + to tackle (that's 40+ hours). Let's say the average bug takes 10 hours (a massive understatement), that's 50,000 hours worth of work to tackle the 5,000 or so confirmed bugs. Seeing these off hand remarks about how we should develop the product is disheartening. I wish that more people would take a class at their local community college, or take a free online course, and start to put their thoughts to work on our code. Regards, Joel On 10/17/2012 10:23 PM, Jay Lozier wrote: On 10/18/2012 01:08 AM, Joel Madero wrote: On 10/17/2012 06:29 PM, anne-ology wrote: ... Thanks :-) maybe now more will realize what we're saying ;-) This is simply unrealistic. For anyone who has any experience with programming this would be known. No offense but with a ratio of 100,000:1 or more users to developers, the idea that we would just squash all bugs and stop releasing new versions isn't realistic at all and thus why developers wouldn't respond to this recommendation. If you want to help I suggest taking some C++ classes and getting involved with the code. Most of us are volunteers who do this with our spare time, I hope you all keep that in mind Regards, Joel Another problem for all programs in wide release is wide hardware variability in the Windows and Linux worlds especially when compared to Macs. There could be a very odd hardware/driver interaction that was never discovered in alpha, beta, or release candidate previews with specific hardware combinations. On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:07 AM, Pertti Rönnberg p...@elisanet.fi wrote: BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help. Every feature shall have a clear explanation
[libreoffice-users] Re: Base - need to re-point a form
On 10/18/2012 08:02 AM, John Clegg wrote: Hi John, I am accessing the remote MySQL database using com.mysql.jdbc.Driver. When I access the data by opening the table or using the form it is read-only. Any ideas again? Several possible reasons : - no primary key field defined in your table, but I guess you would have noticed that before, with your previous attempts to edit the data from within LO Base ; - a field in your table that LO can not parse - unfortunately, some data types, whilst in theory recognised by the driver in other circumstances, i.e. with other software, are not recognised by LO's data type parser, for the lack of them being defined in the handling code. One such example are certain binary objects. At present CLOB support is limited to images in LO ; - a corrupt or misconfigured ODB file : it may be that changing your table source has confused LO's database registration code and caused it mark the table as read only, or alternatively, if it points to a separated database, then the ODB configuration needs to be reset to correspond to the new database in addition to the new table (this is just speculation on my part) ; - a bug in the version of LO you are using. Alex -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base - need to re-point a form
That's pretty comprehensive, thanks! I will work through those. Regards john On 18 October 2012 08:22, Alex Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/18/2012 08:02 AM, John Clegg wrote: Hi John, I am accessing the remote MySQL database using com.mysql.jdbc.Driver. When I access the data by opening the table or using the form it is read-only. Any ideas again? Several possible reasons : - no primary key field defined in your table, but I guess you would have noticed that before, with your previous attempts to edit the data from within LO Base ; - a field in your table that LO can not parse - unfortunately, some data types, whilst in theory recognised by the driver in other circumstances, i.e. with other software, are not recognised by LO's data type parser, for the lack of them being defined in the handling code. One such example are certain binary objects. At present CLOB support is limited to images in LO ; - a corrupt or misconfigured ODB file : it may be that changing your table source has confused LO's database registration code and caused it mark the table as read only, or alternatively, if it points to a separated database, then the ODB configuration needs to be reset to correspond to the new database in addition to the new table (this is just speculation on my part) ; - a bug in the version of LO you are using. Alex -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ...
Hi :) +1 I think that it's precisely because we see so much great development being done that we get excited about it and want more. Also the fact that people can post bug-reports and even non-coders opinions do get listened makes us feel like we can off-load. So, a lot of the criticisms are not necessarily about LO specifically but about IT in general. ROSt talks about management decisions and hints about those being imposed on a workforce because that's the easier way for most of us on the Users List to understand it. I suspect that most of us either do now or have at some point worked in traditional offices in mainstream management structures. In LO i imagine the equivalent is leadership rather than management. Inspiration and initiative rather than just following orders. Personal investment and interest in achieving goals. It is leading to some impressive results. Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 18/10/12, rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de wrote: From: rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ... To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 18 October, 2012, 7:44 Hi Joel, I think nobody blames the dev team for not working enough; in contrast all appreciate the work done by the dev team, being it new features or bug fixes. For my understanding the concerns and opinions expressed here are more related to the ratio of devs being allocate to new features versus bug fixes. I think most of us also understand that first the number of devs is limited, and second the decision on how many devs on new features and how many on bug fixes is not an easy one. It is a management decisions, which can turn out right or wrong. And for management decisions one needs a lot of information. Speaking for myself I would regard these comments as additional information. In this sense, please regard the messages in this forum as additional information, which could.should help decision makers to make decisions. And should a decision turn out to be wrong, there is no problem in changing course. The worst thing a manager can do is, not to make a decision. Without decision there is no change to the situation and thus no chance for improvement. Let me thank here again all devs doing great jobs in developing and improving LO. ROSt Maybe I take C++ classes when I retire LO would be worth to do. On 18.10.2012 14:36, Joel Madero wrote: Let alone regressions which are just accepted as a part of software development. Ultimately, mistakes happen, and when a software code base has been transferred left and right and had a ton of people randomly working on it (which is exactly what happens with open source software), a lot of the job of a developer coming onto the project is just playing catch up and guessing and what a previous developer was attempting to do. Again, I highly suggest taking a few C++ classes and then it'll become apparent that the idea that we should stop everything and get every single bug squashed (5,000), is not a realistic stance. We should and we are (I guarantee this) doing everything in our power to prioritize bugs and take care of those bugs that are a) most annoying b) affecting the most users c) resulting in data loss We are a young project and this is a goal that has been set. Being young, this is a goal, not a fact. If you're interested in seeing how much work is done on a daily basis, just follow gerrit (our code tracker), or sit in IRC and look at the incredibly brilliant conversations that happen to find solutions to many of the problems that are being reported. Just to give another point, we are averaging more than 5 new reports PER DAY. Our QA team is a group of volunteers no more than 7 or 8 strong. Each of these bugs has to go through a long process just to verify, ensure that it's not a duplicate, communicate with the user who reported it, and then priortize it. That's JUST getting the bug confirmed, then it gets put into the stack where a very small group of dedicated developers tackle them, one by one. A single bug can take a week + to tackle (that's 40+ hours). Let's say the average bug takes 10 hours (a massive understatement), that's 50,000 hours worth of work to tackle the 5,000 or so confirmed bugs. Seeing these off hand remarks about how we should develop the product is disheartening. I wish that more people would take a class at their local community college, or take a free online course, and start to put their thoughts to work on our code. Regards, Joel On 10/17/2012 10:23 PM, Jay Lozier wrote: On 10/18/2012 01:08 AM, Joel Madero wrote: On 10/17/2012 06:29 PM, anne-ology wrote: ... Thanks :-) maybe now more will realize what we're saying ;-) This is simply unrealistic. For anyone who has any experience with programming this would be known. No offense but with a ratio of 100,000:1 or more users
Re: [libreoffice-users] Base - need to re-point a form
Is this after you've switched to using a different copy? It sounds like you have had read/write access in the past, is that right? If so, what changed? How do you know it's read only? If your form won't let you change the data it's a local issue, if you can save but it makes no difference presumably thems who are administering the MySQL have set something. Often the reason for having read only access through Base is that the table in question doesn't have a primary key defined, but if you've had write access before and nothing else has changed that would be unlikely. Regards Mark Stanton -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] What has happened to the proposed Zotero integration?
Hi guys I'm just back from holiday and wondering what was done about LO supposedly approaching Zotero for integration? if there was nothing done then after my exams I will endeavor to draft a whitepaper Cheers -- Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: oasis presentation
Hi :)
Perhaps some update that hadn't completed? Maybe some process that needed to
be restarted. Switch it off and switch it on again seems to be a great fix
for loads of weird things on almost any platform.
The main thing is that the problem seems to have been solved?
Regards from
Tom :)
--- On Thu, 18/10/12, Jaap Bosman j...@xs4all.nl wrote:
From: Jaap Bosman j...@xs4all.nl
Subject: oasis presentation
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 18 October, 2012, 7:24
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Hi
Hi
Aaargh, this question never made it through to the list! Did you ever fix it?
Can you email the mailing list directly instead of trying to go through Nabble?
users@global.libreoffice.org
Have you subscribed to the mailing list or was it just that Nabble was broken
those few days?
Apols and regards from
Tom
install of Libreoffice 3 will not start because oasis-presentation.icn is in
use. (Mac OS X (Intel), version 3.5.6, Dutch)
Cannot find this oasis-presentation.icn on my Mac OS X Lion 10.7.5 (Intel) --
I did shut down computer after work and restart next morning install was
quick and easy .So it was a ghost in the machine somewhere?
vriendelijke groeten
Jaap Bosman
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Hi :) The upgrade from 3.5.x to 3.5.7 is extremely unlikely to cause problems. That 3rd digit is roughly like a Service Pack number, but divide it by 2 because MS only does 3 SPs whereas LO does 6 or 7. The 3.x.7 aims at avoiding introducing new features! New features are mostly in the 3.6.x or being lined-up for the 3.7.0. The 3.5.7 is likely to just have fixes for any lingering problems in the 3.5.6. Most of those fixes will be being merging into the 3.6.3 and .4. At least that's how i imagine it works. Certainly once that 3rd digit reaches .4 the branch seems a lot more stable. Regards from Tom :) From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com To: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 2:31 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? and now we're 3 :-) On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.comwrote: On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help. Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user. I cannot agree more. I started with 3.5.4 a few month ago and saw some problems disappearing in 3.5.5 and 3.5.6. Currently I am hesitating to upgrade to 3.5.7. I hope the dev-team listens to Pertti's words. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Base - need to re-point a form
Thanks. This is a fairly new connection, so I can't be sure it has ever had read/write. I know it's read-only because if I open the table and click Edit everything is greyed out except Copy. And if I access data via the form I can't change anything. I can access the data via phpMyAdmin and make changes. I have added a primary key this way, but I'm not sure that Base is seeing that - there is no sign of it if I edit the table structure in Base. On 18 October 2012 08:53, Mark Stanton m...@vowleyfarm.co.uk wrote: Is this after you've switched to using a different copy? It sounds like you have had read/write access in the past, is that right? If so, what changed? How do you know it's read only? If your form won't let you change the data it's a local issue, if you can save but it makes no difference presumably thems who are administering the MySQL have set something. Often the reason for having read only access through Base is that the table in question doesn't have a primary key defined, but if you've had write access before and nothing else has changed that would be unlikely. Regards Mark Stanton -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] What has happened to the proposed Zotero integration?
Hi :) I thnk WhitePaper sounds good. I don't remember any progress on it at all but i could easily have missed it. Good luck with exams! regards from Tom :) From: Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org; disc...@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 9:12 Subject: [libreoffice-users] What has happened to the proposed Zotero integration? Hi guys I'm just back from holiday and wondering what was done about LO supposedly approaching Zotero for integration? if there was nothing done then after my exams I will endeavor to draft a whitepaper Cheers -- Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ...
I don't mean that a single manager makes all decisions and the team has to follow. The word manager could and should be understood also as management team, decision making team, leadership, etc. I am not familiar with the structure of the dev team and decision making processes. Thus, I used simply manager. At the end it is the dev team bringing LO forward. Let me repeat myself, but I respect these people a lot and I am very grateful for all the work they did and do. On 18.10.2012 16:44, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) +1 I think that it's precisely because we see so much great development being done that we get excited about it and want more. Also the fact that people can post bug-reports and even non-coders opinions do get listened makes us feel like we can off-load. So, a lot of the criticisms are not necessarily about LO specifically but about IT in general. ROSt talks about management decisions and hints about those being imposed on a workforce because that's the easier way for most of us on the Users List to understand it. I suspect that most of us either do now or have at some point worked in traditional offices in mainstream management structures. In LO i imagine the equivalent is leadership rather than management. Inspiration and initiative rather than just following orders. Personal investment and interest in achieving goals. It is leading to some impressive results. Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 18/10/12, rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de wrote: From: rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ... To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 18 October, 2012, 7:44 Hi Joel, I think nobody blames the dev team for not working enough; in contrast all appreciate the work done by the dev team, being it new features or bug fixes. For my understanding the concerns and opinions expressed here are more related to the ratio of devs being allocate to new features versus bug fixes. I think most of us also understand that first the number of devs is limited, and second the decision on how many devs on new features and how many on bug fixes is not an easy one. It is a management decisions, which can turn out right or wrong. And for management decisions one needs a lot of information. Speaking for myself I would regard these comments as additional information. In this sense, please regard the messages in this forum as additional information, which could.should help decision makers to make decisions. And should a decision turn out to be wrong, there is no problem in changing course. The worst thing a manager can do is, not to make a decision. Without decision there is no change to the situation and thus no chance for improvement. Let me thank here again all devs doing great jobs in developing and improving LO. ROSt Maybe I take C++ classes when I retire LO would be worth to do. On 18.10.2012 14:36, Joel Madero wrote: Let alone regressions which are just accepted as a part of software development. Ultimately, mistakes happen, and when a software code base has been transferred left and right and had a ton of people randomly working on it (which is exactly what happens with open source software), a lot of the job of a developer coming onto the project is just playing catch up and guessing and what a previous developer was attempting to do. Again, I highly suggest taking a few C++ classes and then it'll become apparent that the idea that we should stop everything and get every single bug squashed (5,000), is not a realistic stance. We should and we are (I guarantee this) doing everything in our power to prioritize bugs and take care of those bugs that are a) most annoying b) affecting the most users c) resulting in data loss We are a young project and this is a goal that has been set. Being young, this is a goal, not a fact. If you're interested in seeing how much work is done on a daily basis, just follow gerrit (our code tracker), or sit in IRC and look at the incredibly brilliant conversations that happen to find solutions to many of the problems that are being reported. Just to give another point, we are averaging more than 5 new reports PER DAY. Our QA team is a group of volunteers no more than 7 or 8 strong. Each of these bugs has to go through a long process just to verify, ensure that it's not a duplicate, communicate with the user who reported it, and then priortize it. That's JUST getting the bug confirmed, then it gets put into the stack where a very small group of dedicated developers tackle them, one by one. A single bug can take a week + to tackle (that's 40+ hours). Let's say the average bug takes 10 hours (a massive understatement), that's 50,000 hours worth of work to tackle the 5,000 or so confirmed bugs. Seeing these off hand remarks about how we should develop the product is disheartening. I wish that more people would take a class at their local community college, or take a
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Thanks for this explanations. I will now make the step to 3.5.7On 18.10.2012 18:41, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :)The upgrade from 3.5.x to 3.5.7 is extremely unlikely to cause problems.That 3rd digit is roughly like a Service Pack number, but divide it by 2 because MS only does 3 SPs whereas LO does 6 or 7.The 3.x.7 aims at avoiding introducing new features!New features are mostly in the 3.6.x or being lined-up for the 3.7.0.The 3.5.7 is likely to just have fixes for any lingering problems in the 3.5.6.Most of those fixes will be being merging into the 3.6.3 and .4.At least that's how i imagine it works.Certainly once that 3rd digit reaches .4 the branch seems a lotmore stable.Regards fromTom :) From:anne-ologylaginnis@gmail.comTo:Dr. R. O Stapfreinhold@stapf-online.comCc:users@global.libreoffice.orgSent:Thursday, 18 October 2012, 2:31Subject:Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? and now we're 3:-)On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Dr. R. O Stapfreinhold@stapf-online.comwrote:On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rnnberg wrote:BRAVO Anne-Ology!!Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried totell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January:they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g.3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutelyfree of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructionsand especially the LibO-Help.Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guidinghow-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expertuser.I cannot agree more.I started with 3.5.4 a few month ago and saw some problems disappearing in3.5.5 and 3.5.6. Currently I am hesitating to upgrade to 3.5.7.I hope the dev-team listens to Pertti's words.--For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+help@global.libreoffice.orgProblems?http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/Posting guidelines + more:http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/NetiquetteList archive:http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ...
Hi :) Yes, but rather than learn new words for all those sorts of things i thought it was smart to re-use words that we ARE familiar with in order to give a close approximation to what is going on. LO is a meritocracy which suggests there are leaders leading. There is some sort of management structure that has some sort of hierarchy but one that can respond sensibly to people's changing lives rather than being stagnant and brittle. We don't need to know the exact details and just using words that are similar enough is good enough for us on this list. If people want details then they can probably find them out easily enough by joining the devs list or looking around their wiki and places. It's not hidden it's just too much for me to think about right now and their are tons of ways they could have structured it sensibly to deal with the type of work they do. The main point is that devs are roughly equal to rock gods imo while we hang around helping people with their tickets and point them to the bar. Regards from Tom :) From: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 11:08 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ... I don't mean that a single manager makes all decisions and the team has to follow. The word manager could and should be understood also as management team, decision making team, leadership, etc. I am not familiar with the structure of the dev team and decision making processes. Thus, I used simply manager. At the end it is the dev team bringing LO forward. Let me repeat myself, but I respect these people a lot and I am very grateful for all the work they did and do. On 18.10.2012 16:44, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) +1 I think that it's precisely because we see so much great development being done that we get excited about it and want more. Also the fact that people can post bug-reports and even non-coders opinions do get listened makes us feel like we can off-load. So, a lot of the criticisms are not necessarily about LO specifically but about IT in general. ROSt talks about management decisions and hints about those being imposed on a workforce because that's the easier way for most of us on the Users List to understand it. I suspect that most of us either do now or have at some point worked in traditional offices in mainstream management structures. In LO i imagine the equivalent is leadership rather than management. Inspiration and initiative rather than just following orders. Personal investment and interest in achieving goals. It is leading to some impressive results. Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 18/10/12, rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de wrote: From: rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ... To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 18 October, 2012, 7:44 Hi Joel, I think nobody blames the dev team for not working enough; in contrast all appreciate the work done by the dev team, being it new features or bug fixes. For my understanding the concerns and opinions expressed here are more related to the ratio of devs being allocate to new features versus bug fixes. I think most of us also understand that first the number of devs is limited, and second the decision on how many devs on new features and how many on bug fixes is not an easy one. It is a management decisions, which can turn out right or wrong. And for management decisions one needs a lot of information. Speaking for myself I would regard these comments as additional information. In this sense, please regard the messages in this forum as additional information, which could.should help decision makers to make decisions. And should a decision turn out to be wrong, there is no problem in changing course. The worst thing a manager can do is, not to make a decision. Without decision there is no change to the situation and thus no chance for improvement. Let me thank here again all devs doing great jobs in developing and improving LO. ROSt Maybe I take C++ classes when I retire LO would be worth to do. On 18.10.2012 14:36, Joel Madero wrote: Let alone regressions which are just accepted as a part of software development. Ultimately, mistakes happen, and when a software code base has been transferred left and right and had a ton of people randomly working on it (which is exactly what happens with open source software), a lot of the job of a developer coming onto the project is just playing catch up and guessing and what a previous developer was attempting to do. Again, I highly suggest taking a few C++ classes and then it'll become apparent that the idea that we should stop everything and get every single bug squashed (5,000), is not a realistic stance. We should and we are (I guarantee this) doing everything in our power to
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Tom, That info of yours is not only interesting but very important for me as an user - and most certainly for others too. Unfortunately you add that it is how you imagine it works! Would it be possible that you check that with the board or the devs themselves and then confirm it to us? If I were you I definitely would like to be sure about the proceedings - (a) if such really has been settled or (b) if not settled? Some posts ago I asked what version is for the time being considered the most reliable, especially regarding Base? -- and what version of JRE is in that version needed for Base (if anymore needed)? I have read the release notes and got an picture but what is your opinion? My version now is LibO3.4.6 on Win7Pro/32 and Win7/64. Pertti Rönnberg On 18.10.2012 12:41, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) The upgrade from 3.5.x to 3.5.7 is extremely unlikely to cause problems. That 3rd digit is roughly like a Service Pack number, but divide it by 2 because MS only does 3 SPs whereas LO does 6 or 7. The 3.x.7 aims at avoiding introducing new features! New features are mostly in the 3.6.x or being lined-up for the 3.7.0. The 3.5.7 is likely to just have fixes for any lingering problems in the 3.5.6. Most of those fixes will be being merging into the 3.6.3 and .4. At least that's how i imagine it works. Certainly once that 3rd digit reaches .4 the branch seems a lot more stable. Regards from Tom :) From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com To: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 2:31 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? and now we're 3 :-) On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.comwrote: On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help. Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user. I cannot agree more. I started with 3.5.4 a few month ago and saw some problems disappearing in 3.5.5 and 3.5.6. Currently I am hesitating to upgrade to 3.5.7. I hope the dev-team listens to Pertti's words. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Insert Date gives no date
Writer won't insert the current date.or any date for that
matter.Here's how I do it-InsertFields-DateAll that gets inserted
is Date (fixed)How can this be resolved?Thanks!--
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Insert Date gives no date
Sorry for the messed up text. Here's what it should look like;
Writer won't insert the current date.or any date for that matter.
Here's how I do it-
InsertFields-Date
All that gets inserted is Date (fixed)
However! When the document is being Previewed then the date appears.
How can this be resolved?
Thanks
On 10/18/2012 07:55 AM, . wrote:
Writer won't insert the current date.or any date for that
matter.Here's how I do it-InsertFields-DateAll that gets inserted
is Date (fixed)How can this be resolved?Thanks!--
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Hi :) Thanks :) [bows] Each time i ask around i seem to get closer to the answer but everyone has their own ideas and many seem to be just plain wrong or wishful thinking. I've kinda distilled it down to what i wrote. 1. It's a moving target 2. The 'best' imo really depends on what you are looking for. For me i think the best for meeting my deadlines is the latest release in the older branch. I've gotten used to the older branch and know what to expect from it. So right now that's the 3.5.7. Fairly soon it's going to be the 3.6.4. Most of work's machines are on 3.5.4 (i think) and that's good enough. So i'll only be using 3.5.7 on my own machine until i get a chance to upgrade them all at the same time. It doesn't matter if i miss the 3.5.7 and end-up upgrading them all to the 3.6.4 as long as i get a quick test drive of that before rolling it out. I like to try to keep them all on the same version but it's not really necessary. Sadly JRE is a tfn. Best to avoid it completely if at all possible. Tools - Options - Java and untick the box. Does anything grumble while using LO? If not then keep it off. If something grumbles about not being able to open or whatever then switch Java on again and re-open whatever it was. Generally it's 'best' for your machine to have the latest Java but they upgrade every month so it's not always possible. Also we have just heard from Stuart from the Accessibility List that some combinations of LO and Java don't allow screen-readers to work properly. Luckily i don't need a screen-reader so i can just keep the latest JRE switched off in the background (in case i ever need it in a hurry). Stuart's post about the Java Access Bridge (JAB) and JRE made me doubly glad i'm not blind. Although if i was i might not have read his post and not be fretting about it now. If you don't need a screen-reader then you don't need the JAB and you can rest easy and probably entirely avoid java altogether. Hmmm, my boss uses Hotmail which seems to demand java for it's login and he has the one from last month so hotmail is now refusing to let him login until he upgrades java. I shouldn't laugh because Yahoo is just as bad really although i'm plesed to find the login doesn't seem to require java. Luckily you can have 2 or more versions of java although it's generally a bad idea. Hopefully your web-browsers and stuff all pick-up on the latest one. You can set which one LO uses from that Tools - Options - Java screen so if you do ever need an older version of java that might be the best way. Best is to just say no ;) Regards from Tom :) From: Pertti Rönnberg p...@elisanet.fi To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 12:15 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Tom, That info of yours is not only interesting but very important for me as an user - and most certainly for others too. Unfortunately you add that it is how you imagine it works! Would it be possible that you check that with the board or the devs themselves and then confirm it to us? If I were you I definitely would like to be sure about the proceedings - (a) if such really has been settled or (b) if not settled? Some posts ago I asked what version is for the time being considered the most reliable, especially regarding Base? -- and what version of JRE is in that version needed for Base (if anymore needed)? I have read the release notes and got an picture but what is your opinion? My version now is LibO3.4.6 on Win7Pro/32 and Win7/64. Pertti Rönnberg On 18.10.2012 12:41, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) The upgrade from 3.5.x to 3.5.7 is extremely unlikely to cause problems. That 3rd digit is roughly like a Service Pack number, but divide it by 2 because MS only does 3 SPs whereas LO does 6 or 7. The 3.x.7 aims at avoiding introducing new features! New features are mostly in the 3.6.x or being lined-up for the 3.7.0. The 3.5.7 is likely to just have fixes for any lingering problems in the 3.5.6. Most of those fixes will be being merging into the 3.6.3 and .4. At least that's how i imagine it works. Certainly once that 3rd digit reaches .4 the branch seems a lot more stable. Regards from Tom :) From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com To: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 2:31 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? and now we're 3 :-) On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.comwrote: On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every
[libreoffice-users] Re: Base - need to re-point a form
Le 18/10/12 11:46, John Clegg a écrit : Hi John, I can access the data via phpMyAdmin and make changes. I have added a primary key this way, but I'm not sure that Base is seeing that - there is no sign of it if I edit the table structure in Base. How is your primary key defined ? - single or multiple field ? Additionally, you might have to quit LO completely, and then reload the ODB file. Alex -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base - need to re-point a form
It's a single field, integer and unique. And having been out and in again base can see the index now, but I still can't edit. On 18 October 2012 13:47, Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.comwrote: Le 18/10/12 11:46, John Clegg a écrit : Hi John, I can access the data via phpMyAdmin and make changes. I have added a primary key this way, but I'm not sure that Base is seeing that - there is no sign of it if I edit the table structure in Base. How is your primary key defined ? - single or multiple field ? Additionally, you might have to quit LO completely, and then reload the ODB file. Alex -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base - need to re-point a form
Le 18/10/12 15:10, John Clegg a écrit : It's a single field, integer and unique. And having been out and in again base can see the index now, but I still can't edit. Dumb question perhaps, but : user privileges ? Any difference between Base user and phpmyadmin user ? Alex -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Base - need to re-point a form
Le 18/10/12 15:10, John Clegg a écrit : It's a single field, integer and unique. And having been out and in again base can see the index now, but I still can't edit. Can you post the table structure ? Alex -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base - need to re-point a form
No, same user! On 18 October 2012 14:18, Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.comwrote: Le 18/10/12 15:10, John Clegg a écrit : It's a single field, integer and unique. And having been out and in again base can see the index now, but I still can't edit. Dumb question perhaps, but : user privileges ? Any difference between Base user and phpmyadmin user ? Alex -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base - need to re-point a form
The structure is very simple - one integer field, indexed unique and 33 fields text(varchar) of varying lengths all unindexed. On 18 October 2012 14:22, Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.comwrote: Le 18/10/12 15:10, John Clegg a écrit : It's a single field, integer and unique. And having been out and in again base can see the index now, but I still can't edit. Can you post the table structure ? Alex -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Insert Date gives no date
On 10/18/2012 08:00 AM, . wrote:
Sorry for the messed up text. Here's what it should look like;
Writer won't insert the current date.or any date for that matter.
Here's how I do it-
InsertFields-Date
All that gets inserted is Date (fixed)
However! When the document is being Previewed then the date appears.
How can this be resolved?
Thanks
On 10/18/2012 07:55 AM, . wrote:
Writer won't insert the current date.or any date for that
matter.Here's how I do it-InsertFields-DateAll that gets inserted is Date
(fixed)How can this be resolved?Thanks!--
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base - need to re-point a form
Update - I have now tried connecting with ODBC (MySQL 3.5.1, Win7) rather than JDBC. The table now becomes editable, but when I make a change I can't save because I get a message that nothing has changed! Am I jinxed?? On 18 October 2012 14:28, John Clegg john.cl...@nailsea.net wrote: The structure is very simple - one integer field, indexed unique and 33 fields text(varchar) of varying lengths all unindexed. On 18 October 2012 14:22, Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.comwrote: Le 18/10/12 15:10, John Clegg a écrit : It's a single field, integer and unique. And having been out and in again base can see the index now, but I still can't edit. Can you post the table structure ? Alex -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
As far as Base is concerned, I have not been having any problems with 3.4.6, 3.5.6, nor 3.6.2. (I just installed 3.6.3.2 which is a release candidate. For my personal databases I use the most, I use MySQL as the backend with any of these LO Base versions as the front end. I work with Base 3.6.3.2 for my writing. This database is embedded and contains only sample data (no important data contained in it). As far as JRE, I use 1.6.0_24 (openjdk). LO seems to prefer this. I also use AOO 3.4.1 at times. It seems to prefer the Openjdk 1.7.0_07. The main problem with Base is the potential for data loss when the program is not shutdown properly. This can be avoided by extracting the data from the database file and then use Base to connect to the data. (The data files are extracted to a separate folder.) Unfortunately, it does not improve the speed of Base. --Dan On 10/18/2012 07:15 AM, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: Tom, That info of yours is not only interesting but very important for me as an user - and most certainly for others too. Unfortunately you add that it is how you imagine it works! Would it be possible that you check that with the board or the devs themselves and then confirm it to us? If I were you I definitely would like to be sure about the proceedings - (a) if such really has been settled or (b) if not settled? Some posts ago I asked what version is for the time being considered the most reliable, especially regarding Base? -- and what version of JRE is in that version needed for Base (if anymore needed)? I have read the release notes and got an picture but what is your opinion? My version now is LibO3.4.6 on Win7Pro/32 and Win7/64. Pertti Rönnberg On 18.10.2012 12:41, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) The upgrade from 3.5.x to 3.5.7 is extremely unlikely to cause problems. That 3rd digit is roughly like a Service Pack number, but divide it by 2 because MS only does 3 SPs whereas LO does 6 or 7. The 3.x.7 aims at avoiding introducing new features! New features are mostly in the 3.6.x or being lined-up for the 3.7.0. The 3.5.7 is likely to just have fixes for any lingering problems in the 3.5.6. Most of those fixes will be being merging into the 3.6.3 and .4. At least that's how i imagine it works. Certainly once that 3rd digit reaches .4 the branch seems a lot more stable. Regards from Tom :) From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com To: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 2:31 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? and now we're 3 :-) On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.comwrote: On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help. Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user. I cannot agree more. I started with 3.5.4 a few month ago and saw some problems disappearing in 3.5.5 and 3.5.6. Currently I am hesitating to upgrade to 3.5.7. I hope the dev-team listens to Pertti's words. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Hi :) Dan, does that data-loss happen when you use MySql? I thought it only happened with the embedded HsqlDb? Regards from Tom :) From: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 15:04 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? As far as Base is concerned, I have not been having any problems with 3.4.6, 3.5.6, nor 3.6.2. (I just installed 3.6.3.2 which is a release candidate. For my personal databases I use the most, I use MySQL as the backend with any of these LO Base versions as the front end. I work with Base 3.6.3.2 for my writing. This database is embedded and contains only sample data (no important data contained in it). As far as JRE, I use 1.6.0_24 (openjdk). LO seems to prefer this. I also use AOO 3.4.1 at times. It seems to prefer the Openjdk 1.7.0_07. The main problem with Base is the potential for data loss when the program is not shutdown properly. This can be avoided by extracting the data from the database file and then use Base to connect to the data. (The data files are extracted to a separate folder.) Unfortunately, it does not improve the speed of Base. --Dan On 10/18/2012 07:15 AM, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: Tom, That info of yours is not only interesting but very important for me as an user - and most certainly for others too. Unfortunately you add that it is how you imagine it works! Would it be possible that you check that with the board or the devs themselves and then confirm it to us? If I were you I definitely would like to be sure about the proceedings - (a) if such really has been settled or (b) if not settled? Some posts ago I asked what version is for the time being considered the most reliable, especially regarding Base? -- and what version of JRE is in that version needed for Base (if anymore needed)? I have read the release notes and got an picture but what is your opinion? My version now is LibO3.4.6 on Win7Pro/32 and Win7/64. Pertti Rönnberg On 18.10.2012 12:41, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) The upgrade from 3.5.x to 3.5.7 is extremely unlikely to cause problems. That 3rd digit is roughly like a Service Pack number, but divide it by 2 because MS only does 3 SPs whereas LO does 6 or 7. The 3.x.7 aims at avoiding introducing new features! New features are mostly in the 3.6.x or being lined-up for the 3.7.0. The 3.5.7 is likely to just have fixes for any lingering problems in the 3.5.6. Most of those fixes will be being merging into the 3.6.3 and .4. At least that's how i imagine it works. Certainly once that 3rd digit reaches .4 the branch seems a lot more stable. Regards from Tom :) From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com To: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 2:31 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? and now we're 3 :-) On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.comwrote: On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help. Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user. I cannot agree more. I started with 3.5.4 a few month ago and saw some problems disappearing in 3.5.5 and 3.5.6. Currently I am hesitating to upgrade to 3.5.7. I hope the dev-team listens to Pertti's words. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive:
Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ...
This is going to go on my list of QA stats that I prepare for our team. I'm not sure how I'll get the data BUT when I do I suspect that 90+% of our work goes towards bug fixing, 10% or so goes towards enhancements. Once I get the data together I'll make sure to send it out to the user list. One good way to know that most of our work goes towards bug fixing is to sit in LibreOffice dev chat and watch as the bot lists the patches being pushed, I RARELY see anything but bug fixes. Another good indicator is looking at FDO and seeing that most enhancements are left untouched (unfortunate but we just don't have enough developers). Regards, Joel On 10/18/2012 03:25 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Yes, but rather than learn new words for all those sorts of things i thought it was smart to re-use words that we ARE familiar with in order to give a close approximation to what is going on. LO is a meritocracy which suggests there are leaders leading. There is some sort of management structure that has some sort of hierarchy but one that can respond sensibly to people's changing lives rather than being stagnant and brittle. We don't need to know the exact details and just using words that are similar enough is good enough for us on this list. If people want details then they can probably find them out easily enough by joining the devs list or looking around their wiki and places. It's not hidden it's just too much for me to think about right now and their are tons of ways they could have structured it sensibly to deal with the type of work they do. The main point is that devs are roughly equal to rock gods imo while we hang around helping people with their tickets and point them to the bar. Regards from Tom :) From: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 11:08 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ... I don't mean that a single manager makes all decisions and the team has to follow. The word manager could and should be understood also as management team, decision making team, leadership, etc. I am not familiar with the structure of the dev team and decision making processes. Thus, I used simply manager. At the end it is the dev team bringing LO forward. Let me repeat myself, but I respect these people a lot and I am very grateful for all the work they did and do. On 18.10.2012 16:44, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) +1 I think that it's precisely because we see so much great development being done that we get excited about it and want more. Also the fact that people can post bug-reports and even non-coders opinions do get listened makes us feel like we can off-load. So, a lot of the criticisms are not necessarily about LO specifically but about IT in general. ROSt talks about management decisions and hints about those being imposed on a workforce because that's the easier way for most of us on the Users List to understand it. I suspect that most of us either do now or have at some point worked in traditional offices in mainstream management structures. In LO i imagine the equivalent is leadership rather than management. Inspiration and initiative rather than just following orders. Personal investment and interest in achieving goals. It is leading to some impressive results. Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 18/10/12, rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de wrote: From: rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ... To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 18 October, 2012, 7:44 Hi Joel, I think nobody blames the dev team for not working enough; in contrast all appreciate the work done by the dev team, being it new features or bug fixes. For my understanding the concerns and opinions expressed here are more related to the ratio of devs being allocate to new features versus bug fixes. I think most of us also understand that first the number of devs is limited, and second the decision on how many devs on new features and how many on bug fixes is not an easy one. It is a management decisions, which can turn out right or wrong. And for management decisions one needs a lot of information. Speaking for myself I would regard these comments as additional information. In this sense, please regard the messages in this forum as additional information, which could.should help decision makers to make decisions. And should a decision turn out to be wrong, there is no problem in changing course. The worst thing a manager can do is, not to make a decision. Without decision there is no change to the situation and thus no chance for improvement. Let me thank here again all devs doing great jobs in developing and improving LO. ROSt Maybe I take C++ classes when I retire LO would be worth to do. On 18.10.2012 14:36, Joel Madero wrote: Let alone regressions which are just accepted as a part of software
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
You are right: because Base holds all the data in memory until shutdown, embedded HSQLDB databases can loss data if shutdown is not done correctly. MySQL keeps the data stored within its installed folder. Base connects to the MySQL server which accesses the data. The same thing is true for you favorite MySQL replacement (Mariadb). --Dan On 10/18/2012 10:33 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Dan, does that data-loss happen when you use MySql? I thought it only happened with the embedded HsqlDb? Regards from Tom :) *From:* Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Thursday, 18 October 2012, 15:04 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? As far as Base is concerned, I have not been having any problems with 3.4.6, 3.5.6, nor 3.6.2. (I just installed 3.6.3.2 which is a release candidate. For my personal databases I use the most, I use MySQL as the backend with any of these LO Base versions as the front end. I work with Base 3.6.3.2 for my writing. This database is embedded and contains only sample data (no important data contained in it). As far as JRE, I use 1.6.0_24 (openjdk). LO seems to prefer this. I also use AOO 3.4.1 at times. It seems to prefer the Openjdk 1.7.0_07. The main problem with Base is the potential for data loss when the program is not shutdown properly. This can be avoided by extracting the data from the database file and then use Base to connect to the data. (The data files are extracted to a separate folder.) Unfortunately, it does not improve the speed of Base. --Dan On 10/18/2012 07:15 AM, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: Tom, That info of yours is not only interesting but very important for me as an user - and most certainly for others too. Unfortunately you add that it is how you imagine it works! Would it be possible that you check that with the board or the devs themselves and then confirm it to us? If I were you I definitely would like to be sure about the proceedings - (a) if such really has been settled or (b) if not settled? Some posts ago I asked what version is for the time being considered the most reliable, especially regarding Base? -- and what version of JRE is in that version needed for Base (if anymore needed)? I have read the release notes and got an picture but what is your opinion? My version now is LibO3.4.6 on Win7Pro/32 and Win7/64. Pertti Rönnberg On 18.10.2012 12:41, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) The upgrade from 3.5.x to 3.5.7 is extremely unlikely to cause problems. That 3rd digit is roughly like a Service Pack number, but divide it by 2 because MS only does 3 SPs whereas LO does 6 or 7. The 3.x.7 aims at avoiding introducing new features! New features are mostly in the 3.6.x or being lined-up for the 3.7.0. The 3.5.7 is likely to just have fixes for any lingering problems in the 3.5.6. Most of those fixes will be being merging into the 3.6.3 and .4. At least that's how i imagine it works. Certainly once that 3rd digit reaches .4 the branch seems a lot more stable. Regards from Tom :) From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com mailto:lagin...@gmail.com To: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com mailto:reinh...@stapf-online.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org mailto:users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 2:31 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? and now we're 3 :-) On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com mailto:reinh...@stapf-online.comwrote: On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help. Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user. I cannot agree more. I started with 3.5.4 a few month ago and saw some problems disappearing in 3.5.5 and 3.5.6. Currently I am hesitating to upgrade to 3.5.7. I hope the dev-team listens to Pertti's words. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems?
Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ...
Another important point is that a lot of our new features are about compatibility. It is expected by our users and our contributors that our product be compatible with the competitors. This is unlike our competitors who routinely want to ignore what we are doing to make the office suite better. So when our competitor makes a change, we want to ensure that if you try to open the document(s) in LibO, for the most part, it works. It is definitely a hard decision and I hope that more people start tinkering with the code, I'm not a programmer by profession but a bit of work and a lot of patience, and some great help from the dedicated developers has resulted in me submitting a couple patches and a few more are on the way :-D. Don't forget that developing isn't the only way to help, we have marketing, UX (look of our product), documentation, QA, etc... that all need people. Even if it's only an hour a week, it helps, I guarantee it. Regards, Joel On 10/18/2012 03:25 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Yes, but rather than learn new words for all those sorts of things i thought it was smart to re-use words that we ARE familiar with in order to give a close approximation to what is going on. LO is a meritocracy which suggests there are leaders leading. There is some sort of management structure that has some sort of hierarchy but one that can respond sensibly to people's changing lives rather than being stagnant and brittle. We don't need to know the exact details and just using words that are similar enough is good enough for us on this list. If people want details then they can probably find them out easily enough by joining the devs list or looking around their wiki and places. It's not hidden it's just too much for me to think about right now and their are tons of ways they could have structured it sensibly to deal with the type of work they do. The main point is that devs are roughly equal to rock gods imo while we hang around helping people with their tickets and point them to the bar. Regards from Tom :) From: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 11:08 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ... I don't mean that a single manager makes all decisions and the team has to follow. The word manager could and should be understood also as management team, decision making team, leadership, etc. I am not familiar with the structure of the dev team and decision making processes. Thus, I used simply manager. At the end it is the dev team bringing LO forward. Let me repeat myself, but I respect these people a lot and I am very grateful for all the work they did and do. On 18.10.2012 16:44, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) +1 I think that it's precisely because we see so much great development being done that we get excited about it and want more. Also the fact that people can post bug-reports and even non-coders opinions do get listened makes us feel like we can off-load. So, a lot of the criticisms are not necessarily about LO specifically but about IT in general. ROSt talks about management decisions and hints about those being imposed on a workforce because that's the easier way for most of us on the Users List to understand it. I suspect that most of us either do now or have at some point worked in traditional offices in mainstream management structures. In LO i imagine the equivalent is leadership rather than management. Inspiration and initiative rather than just following orders. Personal investment and interest in achieving goals. It is leading to some impressive results. Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 18/10/12, rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de wrote: From: rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ... To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 18 October, 2012, 7:44 Hi Joel, I think nobody blames the dev team for not working enough; in contrast all appreciate the work done by the dev team, being it new features or bug fixes. For my understanding the concerns and opinions expressed here are more related to the ratio of devs being allocate to new features versus bug fixes. I think most of us also understand that first the number of devs is limited, and second the decision on how many devs on new features and how many on bug fixes is not an easy one. It is a management decisions, which can turn out right or wrong. And for management decisions one needs a lot of information. Speaking for myself I would regard these comments as additional information. In this sense, please regard the messages in this forum as additional information, which could.should help decision makers to make decisions. And should a decision turn out to be wrong, there is no problem in changing course. The worst thing a manager can do is, not to make a decision. Without decision there is no change to the situation
[libreoffice-users] Is it safe to install Java for OS X 2012-006 1.0
Hello, I wonder whether I can safely install the new Java for Apple (Java for OS X 2012-006 1.0) that is proposed by the App Store. The update improves security, reliability and compatibility , updating to 1.6.0_37 for Java SE 6. What worries me a little is that the update will eliminate the Java-applet plugin (from Apple) from all web browsers it find on my computer. I will then have to install manually the newest version of the Java-applet plugin from Oracle... What will be the incidence of this installation (and possible des-installation) on LibreOffice? I ask because there were earlier issues with Java updates (by Apple or otherwise) for the norùal functioning of LibO. Thanks for your ideas -- Guy using LibO 3.6.1.1 on a iMac Intel DualCore MountainLion 10.8.1 -- please reply only to users@global.libreoffice.org -- Dodoes can't afford to have headaches -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Is it safe to install Java for OS X 2012-006 1.0
Guy, Only one way to find out for sure ;) However, with Apple turning over maintenance of the Java JRE for OSX to Oracle, you have little choice. You might poke around and see what has been said on the various Apple forums in general about stability of the upgraded JRE, but you should not have substantive issues with LibreOffice. As to needing to refresh your Java-applet plugins, probably a good idea since those tend to be the vectors for security compromises that the updated JRE repairs. Stuart -Original Message- From: Guy Voets [mailto:nimant...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:01 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Is it safe to install Java for OS X 2012-006 1.0 Hello, I wonder whether I can safely install the new Java for Apple (Java for OS X 2012-006 1.0) that is proposed by the App Store. The update improves security, reliability and compatibility , updating to 1.6.0_37 for Java SE 6. What worries me a little is that the update will eliminate the Java-applet plugin (from Apple) from all web browsers it find on my computer. I will then have to install manually the newest version of the Java-applet plugin from Oracle... What will be the incidence of this installation (and possible des-installation) on LibreOffice? I ask because there were earlier issues with Java updates (by Apple or otherwise) for the norùal functioning of LibO. Thanks for your ideas -- Guy using LibO 3.6.1.1 on a iMac Intel DualCore MountainLion 10.8.1 -- please reply only to users@global.libreoffice.org -- Dodoes can't afford to have headaches -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice Writer Find Replace format broken
I've been using LibreOffice on Ubuntu 10.04 for many months. I transcribe recorded interviews. The format includes the identification of the speaker at the left margin followed by what they said. To speed up the typing I use the short abbreviation I: when the interviewer is speaking, and M: or F: when the interviewee is speaking. When I'm all done I use FindReplace to change I: toInterviewer:, and then change M: (or F:) toInterviewee:. This process has been working fine for months. The day before yesterday it stopped applying the italic format during replace.How do I figure out what happened, and then how do I fix it? The last few interviews have been only a few pages long, so reformatting each Interviewer: and Interviewee: by hand wasn't too big of a problem. I'm about to start on some longer interviews and I want to fix the problem before I start.-- Regards, Dick Steffens -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] What has happened to the proposed Zotero integration?
Anthony I don't understand your question. Zotero and LibreOffice get along pretty well. At least when I was last using them together (few weeks ago) they did. If you have any problems, then you will have better chances of getting good answer if you clarify. If you are talking about interactions between The Document Foundation and Roy Rosenzweig Center for History and New Media (legal entities behind LibreOffice and Zotero, respectively), then you might have more luck asking on general TDF mailing list (disc...@documentfoundation.org). This is user-support mailing list and most (?) of us are not associated with TDF in any way. -- Best regards Mirosław Zalewski -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Is it safe to install Java for OS X 2012-006 1.0
Hi :) Just avoid getting the 6_39 version as that seemed to have problems specifically on Macs. I think that you are usually pretty safe on Mac but of the 2 security issues in the last couple of years it's the java 6_39 that was the cause. Hmm, or was it the _29? Definitely had a 9 at the end. I suspect the _37 is safer. Regards from Tom :) From: V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 18:21 Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Is it safe to install Java for OS X 2012-006 1.0 Guy, Only one way to find out for sure ;) However, with Apple turning over maintenance of the Java JRE for OSX to Oracle, you have little choice. You might poke around and see what has been said on the various Apple forums in general about stability of the upgraded JRE, but you should not have substantive issues with LibreOffice. As to needing to refresh your Java-applet plugins, probably a good idea since those tend to be the vectors for security compromises that the updated JRE repairs. Stuart -Original Message- From: Guy Voets [mailto:nimant...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:01 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Is it safe to install Java for OS X 2012-006 1.0 Hello, I wonder whether I can safely install the new Java for Apple (Java for OS X 2012-006 1.0) that is proposed by the App Store. The update improves security, reliability and compatibility , updating to 1.6.0_37 for Java SE 6. What worries me a little is that the update will eliminate the Java-applet plugin (from Apple) from all web browsers it find on my computer. I will then have to install manually the newest version of the Java-applet plugin from Oracle... What will be the incidence of this installation (and possible des-installation) on LibreOffice? I ask because there were earlier issues with Java updates (by Apple or otherwise) for the norùal functioning of LibO. Thanks for your ideas -- Guy using LibO 3.6.1.1 on a iMac Intel DualCore MountainLion 10.8.1 -- please reply only to users@global.libreoffice.org -- Dodoes can't afford to have headaches -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Hi :) Phew! :) Thanks Dan. So Postgresql and the rest should be fine too [crosses fingers]. It's good to know i haven't misunderstood or just got it wrong. Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 15:47 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? You are right: because Base holds all the data in memory until shutdown, embedded HSQLDB databases can loss data if shutdown is not done correctly. MySQL keeps the data stored within its installed folder. Base connects to the MySQL server which accesses the data. The same thing is true for you favorite MySQL replacement (Mariadb). --Dan On 10/18/2012 10:33 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Dan, does that data-loss happen when you use MySql? I thought it only happened with the embedded HsqlDb? Regards from Tom :) From: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 15:04 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? As far as Base is concerned, I have not been having any problems with 3.4.6, 3.5.6, nor 3.6.2. (I just installed 3.6.3.2 which is a release candidate. For my personal databases I use the most, I use MySQL as the backend with any of these LO Base versions as the front end. I work with Base 3.6.3.2 for my writing. This database is embedded and contains only sample data (no important data contained in it). As far as JRE, I use 1.6.0_24 (openjdk). LO seems to prefer this. I also use AOO 3.4.1 at times. It seems to prefer the Openjdk 1.7.0_07. The main problem with Base is the potential for data loss when the program is not shutdown properly. This can be avoided by extracting the data from the database file and then use Base to connect to the data. (The data files are extracted to a separate folder.) Unfortunately, it does not improve the speed of Base. --Dan On 10/18/2012 07:15 AM, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: Tom, That info of yours is not only interesting but very important for me as an user - and most certainly for others too. Unfortunately you add that it is how you imagine it works! Would it be possible that you check that with the board or the devs themselves and then confirm it to us? If I were you I definitely would like to be sure about the proceedings - (a) if such really has been settled or (b) if not settled? Some posts ago I asked what version is for the time being considered the most reliable, especially regarding Base? -- and what version of JRE is in that version needed for Base (if anymore needed)? I have read the release notes and got an picture but what is your opinion? My version now is LibO3.4.6 on Win7Pro/32 and Win7/64. Pertti Rönnberg On 18.10.2012 12:41, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) The upgrade from 3.5.x to 3.5.7 is extremely unlikely to cause problems. That 3rd digit is roughly like a Service Pack number, but divide it by 2 because MS only does 3 SPs whereas LO does 6 or 7. The 3.x.7 aims at avoiding introducing new features! New features are mostly in the 3.6.x or being lined-up for the 3.7.0. The 3.5.7 is likely to just have fixes for any lingering problems in the 3.5.6. Most of those fixes will be being merging into the 3.6.3 and .4. At least that's how i imagine it works. Certainly once that 3rd digit reaches .4 the branch seems a lot more stable. Regards from Tom :) From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com To: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 2:31 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? and now we're 3 :-) On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.comwrote: On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of
Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ...
Hi :) That was interesting to hear about the Bot scrolling through lists of freshly completed bug-fixes. I think it might be good to hear about the percentages of what is going into the 3.7.0 specifically and then compare that to the 3.6.5 (or whatever the old branch is by the time the 3.7.0 is about due) but i guess that if anyone is really keen they could just look for themselves just before the 3.7.0 is due. It might be interesting. I think your input to this thread has changed a few opinions here. It's been interesting to hear from someone on the devs lists Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 15:47 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ... Another important point is that a lot of our new features are about compatibility. It is expected by our users and our contributors that our product be compatible with the competitors. This is unlike our competitors who routinely want to ignore what we are doing to make the office suite better. So when our competitor makes a change, we want to ensure that if you try to open the document(s) in LibO, for the most part, it works. It is definitely a hard decision and I hope that more people start tinkering with the code, I'm not a programmer by profession but a bit of work and a lot of patience, and some great help from the dedicated developers has resulted in me submitting a couple patches and a few more are on the way :-D. Don't forget that developing isn't the only way to help, we have marketing, UX (look of our product), documentation, QA, etc... that all need people. Even if it's only an hour a week, it helps, I guarantee it. Regards, Joel On 10/18/2012 03:25 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Yes, but rather than learn new words for all those sorts of things i thought it was smart to re-use words that we ARE familiar with in order to give a close approximation to what is going on. LO is a meritocracy which suggests there are leaders leading. There is some sort of management structure that has some sort of hierarchy but one that can respond sensibly to people's changing lives rather than being stagnant and brittle. We don't need to know the exact details and just using words that are similar enough is good enough for us on this list. If people want details then they can probably find them out easily enough by joining the devs list or looking around their wiki and places. It's not hidden it's just too much for me to think about right now and their are tons of ways they could have structured it sensibly to deal with the type of work they do. The main point is that devs are roughly equal to rock gods imo while we hang around helping people with their tickets and point them to the bar. Regards from Tom :) From: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 11:08 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ... I don't mean that a single manager makes all decisions and the team has to follow. The word manager could and should be understood also as management team, decision making team, leadership, etc. I am not familiar with the structure of the dev team and decision making processes. Thus, I used simply manager. At the end it is the dev team bringing LO forward. Let me repeat myself, but I respect these people a lot and I am very grateful for all the work they did and do. On 18.10.2012 16:44, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) +1 I think that it's precisely because we see so much great development being done that we get excited about it and want more. Also the fact that people can post bug-reports and even non-coders opinions do get listened makes us feel like we can off-load. So, a lot of the criticisms are not necessarily about LO specifically but about IT in general. ROSt talks about management decisions and hints about those being imposed on a workforce because that's the easier way for most of us on the Users List to understand it. I suspect that most of us either do now or have at some point worked in traditional offices in mainstream management structures. In LO i imagine the equivalent is leadership rather than management. Inspiration and initiative rather than just following orders. Personal investment and interest in achieving goals. It is leading to some impressive results. Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 18/10/12, rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de wrote: From: rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ... To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 18 October, 2012, 7:44 Hi Joel, I think nobody blames the dev team for not working enough; in contrast all appreciate the work done by the dev team, being it new features or bug fixes. For my
Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ...
3.5.7 just came out, so that should be the last of the 3.5 line, unless someone decides to make an update or something. So, 3.7.0 will be worked on soon and is due out the second week in Feb 2013. Yes that is over 3 months away, but it would be nice to know what the real differences between 3.5.7, the 3.6.5 version, and 3.7.0 version. What is changed between the last of the 3.5 line and the 3.6 line by the time 3.6.5 comes out. What will be changed between that version and the 3.7 line. I know there are release notes and such, but it would be nice to see a side by side chart with the changes so you can compare the different versions/lines with each other better. For the conservative users 3.5.7 will be it until 3.6.x's version gets to the conservative point. But the more advanced users will be using 3.6.x till 3.7.x comes out. That is the life cycle of the two line development cycle. On 10/18/2012 02:07 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) That was interesting to hear about the Bot scrolling through lists of freshly completed bug-fixes. I think it might be good to hear about the percentages of what is going into the 3.7.0 specifically and then compare that to the 3.6.5 (or whatever the old branch is by the time the 3.7.0 is about due) but i guess that if anyone is really keen they could just look for themselves just before the 3.7.0 is due. It might be interesting. I think your input to this thread has changed a few opinions here. It's been interesting to hear from someone on the devs lists Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 15:47 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ... Another important point is that a lot of our new features are about compatibility. It is expected by our users and our contributors that our product be compatible with the competitors. This is unlike our competitors who routinely want to ignore what we are doing to make the office suite better. So when our competitor makes a change, we want to ensure that if you try to open the document(s) in LibO, for the most part, it works. It is definitely a hard decision and I hope that more people start tinkering with the code, I'm not a programmer by profession but a bit of work and a lot of patience, and some great help from the dedicated developers has resulted in me submitting a couple patches and a few more are on the way :-D. Don't forget that developing isn't the only way to help, we have marketing, UX (look of our product), documentation, QA, etc... that all need people. Even if it's only an hour a week, it helps, I guarantee it. Regards, Joel On 10/18/2012 03:25 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Yes, but rather than learn new words for all those sorts of things i thought it was smart to re-use words that we ARE familiar with in order to give a close approximation to what is going on. LO is a meritocracy which suggests there are leaders leading. There is some sort of management structure that has some sort of hierarchy but one that can respond sensibly to people's changing lives rather than being stagnant and brittle. We don't need to know the exact details and just using words that are similar enough is good enough for us on this list. If people want details then they can probably find them out easily enough by joining the devs list or looking around their wiki and places. It's not hidden it's just too much for me to think about right now and their are tons of ways they could have structured it sensibly to deal with the type of work they do. The main point is that devs are roughly equal to rock gods imo while we hang around helping people with their tickets and point them to the bar. Regards from Tom :) From: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 11:08 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ... I don't mean that a single manager makes all decisions and the team has to follow. The word manager could and should be understood also as management team, decision making team, leadership, etc. I am not familiar with the structure of the dev team and decision making processes. Thus, I used simply manager. At the end it is the dev team bringing LO forward. Let me repeat myself, but I respect these people a lot and I am very grateful for all the work they did and do. On 18.10.2012 16:44, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) +1 I think that it's precisely because we see so much great development being done that we get excited about it and want more. Also the fact that people can post bug-reports and even non-coders opinions do get listened makes us feel like we can off-load. So, a lot of the criticisms are not necessarily about LO specifically but about IT in general. ROSt talks about management decisions and hints about those being
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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice Writer Find Replace format broken
On 10/18/2012 01:22 PM, Richard C. Steffens wrote: I've been using LibreOffice on Ubuntu 10.04 for many months. I transcribe recorded interviews. The format includes the identification of the speaker at the left margin followed by what they said. To speed up the typing I use the short abbreviation I: when the interviewer is speaking, and M: or F: when the interviewee is speaking. When I'm all done I use FindReplace to change I: toInterviewer:, and then change M: (or F:) toInterviewee:. This process has been working fine for months. The day before yesterday it stopped applying the italic format during replace.How do I figure out what happened, and then how do I fix it? The last few interviews have been only a few pages long, so reformatting each Interviewer: and Interviewee: by hand wasn't too big of a problem. I'm about to start on some longer interviews and I want to fix the problem before I start.-- Regards, Dick Steffens With some experimentation, I did the following: When typing the I:, M:, and F:, I italicized them. In terms of keystrokes this is 1) Control+I followed by I: followed by Control+I. 2) Control+I followed by M: followed by Control+I. 3) Control+I followed by F: followed by Control+I. Then when I did the find and replace, the replacement to the style of what I searched for. This is what I think you were looking for. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] What has happened to the proposed Zotero integration?
I CCed the same message to the discuss mailing list, it was here that the idea originated anyway On Thu, 18 Oct 2012, at 07:39 PM, Mirosław Zalewski wrote: Anthony I don't understand your question. Zotero and LibreOffice get along pretty well. At least when I was last using them together (few weeks ago) they did. If you have any problems, then you will have better chances of getting good answer if you clarify. If you are talking about interactions between The Document Foundation and Roy Rosenzweig Center for History and New Media (legal entities behind LibreOffice and Zotero, respectively), then you might have more luck asking on general TDF mailing list (disc...@documentfoundation.org). This is user-support mailing list and most (?) of us are not associated with TDF in any way. -- Best regards Mirosław Zalewski -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Suitability of Lo in Small organisations
Hi guys I was wondering what would perhaps be the best release of LO to recommend to a small charitable organisation. I had a problem with the latest release as it was quite buggy and the church athletics club I installed it for was not to happy when they found the bugs interrupted their workflow, So what is the most stable release? -- Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice Writer Find Replace format broken
At 10:22 18/10/2012 -0700, Richard C. Steffens wrote: I've been using LibreOffice on Ubuntu 10.04 for many months. I transcribe recorded interviews. The format includes the identification of the speaker at the left margin followed by what they said. To speed up the typing I use the short abbreviation I: when the interviewer is speaking, and M: or F: when the interviewee is speaking. When I'm all done I use Find Replace to change I: to Interviewer:, and then change M: (or F:) to Interviewee:. This process has been working fine for months. The day before yesterday it stopped applying the italic format during replace.How do I figure out what happened, and then how do I fix it? o In the Find Replace dialogue, click More Options. o With the cursor in the Replace with box, click Format and then click Italic under Typeface on the Font tab. (You don't need to select a Font or Size.) Is that what you are doing? The format attribute of the Replace with text appears to be remembered; did you perhaps for some reason click No Format and cancel your italics the day before yesterday? I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Resolved, sort of: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice Writer Find Replace format broken
On 10/18/2012 07:23 PM, Brian Barker wrote: At 10:22 18/10/2012 -0700, Richard C. Steffens wrote: I've been using LibreOffice on Ubuntu 10.04 for many months. I transcribe recorded interviews. The format includes the identification of the speaker at the left margin followed by what they said. To speed up the typing I use the short abbreviation I: when the interviewer is speaking, and M: or F: when the interviewee is speaking. When I'm all done I use Find Replace to change I: to Interviewer:, and then change M: (or F:) to Interviewee:. This process has been working fine for months. The day before yesterday it stopped applying the italic format during replace.How do I figure out what happened, and then how do I fix it? o In the Find Replace dialogue, click More Options. o With the cursor in the Replace with box, click Format and then click Italic under Typeface on the Font tab. (You don't need to select a Font or Size.) Is that what you are doing? Yes. The format attribute of the Replace with text appears to be remembered; Yes. I have noticed that. did you perhaps for some reason click No Format and cancel your italics the day before yesterday? Certainly not intentionally, but who can say for sure. I trust this helps. Oddly, it now works, again. Here's the procedure I've always used: o Copy the text I want to use as the replacement to the clipboard. o Highlight the first instance of the text I want to replace. o Click ctrl-H o Paste the text I want to use as the replacement into the Replace with box. o Click on More Options. o Click on Format. o Click on Italic in the Style column. o Click Ok. At this point I see the words Italic, normal under the Replace with box. I saw those words when this wasn't working, too. o Click Replace All. That always used to work, and now it works, again. The only explanation I can think of is that I needed to learn how to achieve the same results using AutoCorrect, which works fine and saves me a couple of steps when I'm finished with the transcription. So, I called this resolved, sort of because it works correctly again, but I don't really know why it didn't work for a short while. Thanks to all for the tips and hints. -- Regards, Dick Steffens -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
