[libreoffice-users] character kerning
Readers, The classic text 'lorem ipsum...' shows how kerning of characters in writer is poor (compared to LaTeX anyway): Lorem ipsum dolor sit _amet_, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad _minim_ _veniam_, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum. If the text above is copied into writer, for a font such as 'liberation serif', examples of poor character kerning are indicated by the underscore (_) character. Any way to improve this? -- LO35413 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning
Hi :) I think LaTeX is far more sophisticated for proper professional printing. My guess would be that commercial publishing houses convert from Writer or Word into LaTeX (or something) and then perhaps reapply formatting. Kerning is the least of the problems when you look at a document created in Word. Even so-called Desktop Publishing tools such as Publisher tend to mangle things quite badly. The quality of documents created with Writer is far far higher but it's still unlikely to compete with proper DTP tools such as LaTeX. As a work-around it might be worth trying out a few different fonts and see which bothers you the least. Most people don't notice the other prolific problems created by MSO, let alone kerning or other spacing issues. It is always possible that someone on this list has some clever way of dealing with kerning or even avoiding it. I have a feeling there is a way so poking around in the Format menu might be useful. So, i really am hoping we do get a better answer here Regards from Tom :) From: e-letter inp...@gmail.com To: users users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2013, 8:13 Subject: [libreoffice-users] character kerning Readers, The classic text 'lorem ipsum...' shows how kerning of characters in writer is poor (compared to LaTeX anyway): Lorem ipsum dolor sit _amet_, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad _minim_ _veniam_, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum. If the text above is copied into writer, for a font such as 'liberation serif', examples of poor character kerning are indicated by the underscore (_) character. Any way to improve this? -- LO35413 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning
On 2013-02-05 09:13, e-letter wrote: Readers, The classic text 'lorem ipsum...' shows how kerning of characters in writer is poor (compared to LaTeX anyway): Lorem ipsum dolor sit _amet_, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad _minim_ _veniam_, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum. If the text above is copied into writer, for a font such as 'liberation serif', examples of poor character kerning are indicated by the underscore (_) character. Any way to improve this? Not that I know of. If this type of thing is important to you, then a proper DTP-tool such as Scribus might be more what you need. Grx HdV -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning
Tom wrote: I think LaTeX is far more sophisticated for proper professional printing. My guess would be that commercial publishing houses convert from Writer or Word into LaTeX (or something) and then perhaps reapply formatting. I doubt that. Most professional printing and publishing nowadays is done from PDFs supplied by the publisher to the printer. Even so-called Desktop Publishing tools such as Publisher tend to mangle things quite badly. The quality of documents created with Writer is far far higher but it's still unlikely to compete with proper DTP tools such as LaTeX. But kerning is a function of the font, not of the application. The kerning in Libre Office is fine, provided the appropriate kerning is built in to the fonts you use. I have used Libre Office (with various fonts) in professional publishing. The texts are printed to PDF, the PDFS are sent to the printers, and the results are perfect. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.0
Chad Homan cho...@gmail.com: My question is, is LO 4.0 suppose to be the release that supports 120% of MSO97. Not yet, it does not support 100% of MS Word 2.0 (from 1992) yet. Of course it has some bells and whistles and even a couple of useful features, but still no cigar. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Suggests
Johnny Rosenberg: Those people who think LibreOffice should look like MS Office, why don't they just keep using MS Office instead? Because they are cheapscates, but they still want a modern text processor, not something from Windows 3 times. That is their right which everyone should respect. Also some people *have* to use LO as it requires no installation or validation. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.0
Hi :) On the other hand MS Office still does not support many features of LibreOffice yet either. Plus a LOT of the functionality of MS Office depends on you buying the 'right' bundle and then buying extra apps on top of whatever is included in the bundle. For example the Student's version of MSO doesn't include Publisher or Access. Plus their default formats rely on everyone using the same version and the same OS as the person that created the document and only really works on desktop machines. Plus all the security issues that MS documents and the app has suffered from over the years are almost entirely avoided by Libreoffice and all the other OpenSource office programs. Will MSO ever catch up on security or cross-platform compatibility? Regards from Tom :) From: Urmas davian...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2013, 13:42 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.0 Chad Homan cho...@gmail.com: My question is, is LO 4.0 suppose to be the release that supports 120% of MSO97. Not yet, it does not support 100% of MS Word 2.0 (from 1992) yet. Of course it has some bells and whistles and even a couple of useful features, but still no cigar. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.0
On 05/02/13 12:53, Tom Davies wrote: snip Will MSO ever catch up on security or cross-platform compatibility? Regards from Tom :) Hmmm - tough one that! I'd have to say no and no :-) From: Urmas davian...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2013, 13:42 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.0 Chad Homan cho...@gmail.com: My question is, is LO 4.0 suppose to be the release that supports 120% of MSO97. Not yet, it does not support 100% of MS Word 2.0 (from 1992) yet. Of course it has some bells and whistles and even a couple of useful features, but still no cigar. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Re: LibreOffice 4.0
Tom Davies: On the other hand MS Office still does not support many features of LibreOffice yet either. Like custom toolbar backgrounds? I think people can live without those. For example the Student's version of MSO doesn't include Publisher or Access. Why does a student need Publisher? Why does they need Access when they can have the real SQL server for free? Plus their default formats ... only really work on desktop machines. Both BIFF and RTF are trivially parsed and can be used on servers as well. Will MSO ever catch up on security or cross-platform compatibility? There are third-party solutions which handle Office documents on mobile devices. The two only desktop platforms, Windows and MacOSX are both using MSO. What compatibility? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: LibreOffice 4.0
On 05/02/13 14:07, Urmas wrote: Tom Davies: On the other hand MS Office still does not support many features of LibreOffice yet either. Like custom toolbar backgrounds? I think people can live without those. For example the Student's version of MSO doesn't include Publisher or Access. Why does a student need Publisher? Why does they need Access when they can have the real SQL server for free? Because many people prefer to use GUI front-ends, and why hobble a suite just for a different market? Plus their default formats ... only really work on desktop machines. Both BIFF and RTF are trivially parsed and can be used on servers as well. Except the most recent versions of MSO claim to use the pseudo-Open document format (which isn't actually compatible with odf standards) and default to the non-backwards compatible *.docx Will MSO ever catch up on security or cross-platform compatibility? There are third-party solutions which handle Office documents on mobile devices. The two only desktop platforms, Windows and MacOSX are both using MSO. What compatibility? And the other desktop platforms (such as all of the *nixes and *BSDs) don't and MS ensures that they keep their APIs a trade secret and continually code these so that they aren't even backwards compatible with their own products! Moreover, the number of cracks and security leaks associated with MSO are legendary. But, this list is not about MSO, nor even MSO bashing - which is almost too easy - so back to LibO stuff, eh? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] character kerning
Since 'liberation serif' is a font that most people outside of the LO/Linux world would not be using, I think you should look into a more common font used by publishing houses. I would look into changing the fonts used and see which one works best for your needs. If you are dealing with a publisher, ask which fonts they use. I am a font guy, or use to be. I have collected over 14 GB of font files, but I have a core set of fonts that I place on every system that I own. These are the ones I use the most over the years. Right now, I am reading a hard cover book that has a different font than the paper-back font of the previous version in that series. The kerneling and line spacing is much different than the paperback books. So, with that in mind, you will need to know what the publication will look like and use the best font that works for it. If a publisher uses a specific set of fonts, use them. If not, then it is up to you to choose the best font for the document. I sometimes take a paragraph and repeat it over and over again and then make each paragraph a different font. I then take it to friends who help me decide which font works the best for them. After that, I take the final choices and make 2-3 page examples of the text with those fonts at the size and page format that the document will be published. Then which one is best, I use. Professionals tend to do something like this and then stick with a small core of fonts that work the best for their publications and their different page size. Since each proportional font is a little different and their kerneling aspect seems to be different from others, you mush go through some process to select the best font for your documents. There are thousands of fonts that look like Times Roman, each just a little different. Once you find and test the fonts, you then keep the best ones for your work. The hard part is the testing of each of them to get the best ones. That is why I suggested asking the publisher[s], if possible, which font[s] they prefer to use, since they would have done such visual font tests before and chosen the best ones. On 02/05/2013 04:37 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I think LaTeX is far more sophisticated for proper professional printing. My guess would be that commercial publishing houses convert from Writer or Word into LaTeX (or something) and then perhaps reapply formatting. Kerning is the least of the problems when you look at a document created in Word. Even so-called Desktop Publishing tools such as Publisher tend to mangle things quite badly. The quality of documents created with Writer is far far higher but it's still unlikely to compete with proper DTP tools such as LaTeX. As a work-around it might be worth trying out a few different fonts and see which bothers you the least. Most people don't notice the other prolific problems created by MSO, let alone kerning or other spacing issues. It is always possible that someone on this list has some clever way of dealing with kerning or even avoiding it. I have a feeling there is a way so poking around in the Format menu might be useful. So, i really am hoping we do get a better answer here Regards from Tom :) From: e-letter inp...@gmail.com To: users users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2013, 8:13 Subject: [libreoffice-users] character kerning Readers, The classic text 'lorem ipsum...' shows how kerning of characters in writer is poor (compared to LaTeX anyway): Lorem ipsum dolor sit _amet_, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad _minim_ _veniam_, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum. If the text above is copied into writer, for a font such as 'liberation serif', examples of poor character kerning are indicated by the underscore (_) character. Any way to improve this? -- LO35413 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: LibreOffice 4.0
Many months ago, there was a notification that MSO2013 changed their XML formatting from a loose to a strict version of the format. I do not remember the exact wording but they stated that MSO2010 may not read MSO2013 files correctly. So that makes 3 releases of MSO on Windows that are not compatible with MS's own XML based formats. EVERY time they release a new version, since 2007, they require the user to buy the new version to be compatible. They there is the big hike in buying their office suite, since renting will give MS more income from the same user. You get a lower up-front cost but a higher total cost when you rent MSO. All this incompatibility is just a scheme to increase their income. As for rendering differences between different versions of Windows, XP through Win7, yes MS admits that as well. Between different font bundles and differences in how the OS does it rendering, I do not know what the differences are, but I have seen the differences myself sometimes. I ran XP/pro and Vista. Now I have XP/pro and Win7/pro. Yes, sometimes documents look a little different between the two MS OSs. Since I use Ubuntu/Linux for my main desktop, and I have not bought a MSO package since 2003, I rarely have to deal with working with MSO myself, which I enjoy. On 02/05/2013 09:10 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Only MS Office 2007 and 2010 are available on Mac. They are re-named as 2008 and 2011 but basically are pretty much the same. However there are compatibility issues with documents produced on one platform and then viewed on the other. Documents produced with 2007 don't always look at all right on 2010 let alone 2011. If produced in 2010 on Win Xp then even MS admits they wont look right on 2010 on Win7, nor Win8. Their idea of 'compatibility' is that everyone must be using the same version on the same OS. Also while a student may not be considered to need various different parts of MSO it is still often claimed that moving away from MSO might be a bad idea for them because it means doing without those apps that are not even included in their version of MSO. Then there are tons of other bundles that each lack different parts of the whole suite. Again the missing parts are used as reasons why people can't migrate away from MSO. I have just been helping 2 students on courses that are allegedly trying to teach about computers and the Access module parts were particularly tricky as they didn't have Access at home despite having bought the version of MSO that the colleges recommended. So many different bundles = so much confusion. Rtf is no longer being actively developed. Also, as is typical of MS formats, it fails to be compatible between different programs or even same programs on different OSes, let alone different platforms. I've never yet met any office worker using Biff. Almost all serious servers run non-MS platforms. Somewhere around 1%. Mostly it's small company servers but again they tend to go with unix-based platforms because of security issues. Mobile devices seem to almost entirely run non-MS. The Slate's sales have been appallingly lower than estimated. The only person i know of that has run a Windows phone found it started crashing after just 2 weeks and at best is suffering slowdowns already. All the 3rd party tools for reading documents that are in MS formats tend to be better at displaying LibreOffice documents because it's usually their native format too. Regards from Tom :) From: Urmas davian...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2013, 14:07 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: LibreOffice 4.0 Tom Davies: On the other hand MS Office still does not support many features of LibreOffice yet either. Like custom toolbar backgrounds? I think people can live without those. For example the Student's version of MSO doesn't include Publisher or Access. Why does a student need Publisher? Why does they need Access when they can have the real SQL server for free? Plus their default formats ... only really work on desktop machines. Both BIFF and RTF are trivially parsed and can be used on servers as well. Will MSO ever catch up on security or cross-platform compatibility? There are third-party solutions which handle Office documents on mobile devices. The two only desktop platforms, Windows and MacOSX are both using MSO. What compatibility? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems?
Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
Via Simon Phipps on Twitter: We're rewriting the LibreOffice wizards in Python because we can no longer be sure Java will be there -- Michael Meeks, #FOSDEM Hopefully then Python will replace Basic too. And maybe there might even be some documentation for LO/Python some day. Sincerely, Wolfgang -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: LibreOffice 4.0
On Tue, 05 Feb 2013 09:57:05 -0500, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote Re Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: LibreOffice 4.0: EVERY time they release a new version, since 2007, they require the user to buy the new version to be compatible. They there is the big hike in buying their office suite, since renting will give MS more income from the same user. You get a lower up-front cost but a higher total cost when you rent MSO. All this incompatibility is just a scheme to increase their income. Exactly so, with both MSO and Windows. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] deleting pagebreak won't save in .doc file on linux only
Hi :) I haven't got 3.6.4 here so i only tested on 3.5.4. The problem didn't seem to happen except when using a document created in 3.6.4. Interesting Regards from Tom :) From: Divan Santana di...@s-tainment.co.za To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2013, 7:13 Subject: [libreoffice-users] deleting pagebreak won't save in .doc file on linux only Hi guys, Can someone please test and confirm this bug. It's real simple to reproduce and was reported 6 weeks ago. Likely simple to fix too. Should just take 5 minutes. Would appreciate it. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57971 -- Best regards, Divan Santana +27 82 787 8522 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] deleting pagebreak won't save in .doc file on linux only
On 02/05/2013 09:13 AM, Divan Santana wrote: Hi guys, Can someone please test and confirm this bug. It's real simple to reproduce and was reported 6 weeks ago. Likely simple to fix too. Should just take 5 minutes. Would appreciate it. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57971 I've tested this now with 3.6.5. Problem definately has been resolved! :) Was faulty in many 3.6.x and 3.5.x releases I tested. -- Best regards, Divan Santana +27 82 787 8522 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] [Libreoffice-qa] FDO BSA Administration Info - New version 3.6.5.2 release
Version 3.6.5.2 rc has been changed to Version 3.6.5.2 release per LibreOffice announcement request. Changes were made to both FreeDesktop.Org as well as Bug Submission Assistant. Best Regards, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 17:08 +0100, Wolfgang Keller wrote: Via Simon Phipps on Twitter: We're rewriting the LibreOffice wizards in Python because we can no longer be sure Java will be there -- Michael Meeks, #FOSDEM Hopefully then Python will replace Basic too. And maybe there might even be some documentation for LO/Python some day. JFYI due to the joys of twitter - this is rather an horrible mis-quote due to truncation. I can't remember exactly what I said, the video will show as/when published but something like: we can no longer be sure Java will be there on Windows. ie. having our UI bomb out with horrible dialogs suggesting people download a JRE to make File-Wizards work is really not ideal; especially since we bundle a (tiny) python run-time already. Java is still a really great way to write cross-platform extensions for LibreOffice, and we still ship a load of java enablement pieces: they just require a working JRE to be on the system (nothing new there). HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.0
and that's the reason I've been praising LO :-) as well as Gizmo's site - verified, tested programs for any computer. The best publishing programs, ... can be acquired through Gizmo's - and no worry re. having to re-purchase if the HD should die ;-) these in combination with LO is all any laptop needs ... and many folks have switched from the desktop PC to the laptops; actually many of these are now switching to the even smaller hand-held devices - [ I'm so far not interested in swapping from the lap-top ;-) ] On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) On the other hand MS Office still does not support many features of LibreOffice yet either. Plus a LOT of the functionality of MS Office depends on you buying the 'right' bundle and then buying extra apps on top of whatever is included in the bundle. For example the Student's version of MSO doesn't include Publisher or Access. Plus their default formats rely on everyone using the same version and the same OS as the person that created the document and only really works on desktop machines. Plus all the security issues that MS documents and the app has suffered from over the years are almost entirely avoided by Libreoffice and all the other OpenSource office programs. Will MSO ever catch up on security or cross-platform compatibility? Regards from Tom :) From: Urmas davian...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2013, 13:42 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.0 Chad Homan cho...@gmail.com: My question is, is LO 4.0 suppose to be the release that supports 120% of MSO97. Not yet, it does not support 100% of MS Word 2.0 (from 1992) yet. Of course it has some bells and whistles and even a couple of useful features, but still no cigar. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
Hi Stephen, On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 06:57 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote: I have Eclipse with the OpenOffice plugin to enable development of extensions for Libreoffice. Can someone tell where I can get documentation on the Libreoffice Calc internals and how to interface specifically to things like the Pivot Table dialogue so that it can be extended. I want to work around the fact that Pivot Tables in Calc 3.6.5 are functionally not equivalent to Excel 2002 let alone Excel 2010? Oh - that's bad :-) I was also thinking of developing these extensions in Java, are there any issues with doing so? Well - if you develop this in Java then it's unlikely to get into the code code. Also - you'll have a rather grim time trying to get everything you want, and (I suspect) you'll find embedding into arbitrary dialogs is not really easy at all. So - I -strongly- recommend just checking out the code, compiling it and poking the developers list for some code pointers to that dialog. Adding the features you need to the core, so everyone can enjoy them out of the box is almost certainly the best way to achieve your goals - and (after all) C++ is not so distantly related to Java :-) Does that make sense ? Thanks ! Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: LibreOffice 4.0
The precise situation is as follows: Office 2007 (SP2 I think) through Office 2013 *all* accept and produce OOXML Transitional. This is also true of the compatibility pack that provides OOXML support in Office 2003. These products also have compatibility modes that will preserve compatibility (unless changed at user option) of edited documents that originated from down-level versions. The OOXML format has this kind of support available as part of special compatibility and extension provisions. (There are similar provisions in the Office 97-2000 format and RTF, but the technique is more refined in OOXML.) Office 2010 and Office 2013 *also* accept OOXML Strict. These are the first versions that can accept Strict. They are the first versions produced after Strict was fully specified. (There was a major change in Strict at the ISO level and I don't know how that has been smoothed over between Office 2010 and 2013.) Office 2013 is the first version that can *produce* OOXML Strict. The default is still OOXML Transitional. One has to specifically request Strict in the Save As dialog, at least on my installation of Office 2013 Preview. I don't know when the default will ever flip over and I haven't checked for configuration options that change the default preference. This is all done to smooth the readiness and preparation for migration to Strict. It was not Microsoft's idea to create such a hard line in the sand. It came from the ISO/IEC committee that is maintaining the OOXML specification and from the ballot resolution meeting that had OOXML approved as an International Standard. The Transitional OOXML support in Office 2007 and back to Office 2003 (by compatibility pack) was all done based on the original ECMA standard, which had no Strict separation. What is being done to smooth the transition makes perfect sense to me. Presumably the people who want to use strict understand that there is no down-level compatibility, and strict will not happen by accidental default. This consideration of migration and up-/down-level preservation would be an useful lesson for actions taken on the ODF TC and in OpenOffice-legacy implementations that provide breaking changes to default behavior. There are more of those on their way. The sudden change of Save As Password to use different encryption methods not known down-level was just a first taste. Breaking changes with regard to SVG compatibility will be more noticeable. And the new change-tracking that may emerge in ODF 1.3 will go farther still. - Dennis -Original Message- From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P [mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 06:57 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: LibreOffice 4.0 Many months ago, there was a notification that MSO2013 changed their XML formatting from a loose to a strict version of the format. I do not remember the exact wording but they stated that MSO2010 may not read MSO2013 files correctly. So that makes 3 releases of MSO on Windows that are not compatible with MS's own XML based formats. EVERY time they release a new version, since 2007, they require the user to buy the new version to be compatible. They there is the big hike in buying their office suite, since renting will give MS more income from the same user. You get a lower up-front cost but a higher total cost when you rent MSO. All this incompatibility is just a scheme to increase their income. [ ... ] -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Re: LibreOffice 4.0
On 2013-02-06 07:29, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: This consideration of migration and up-/down-level preservation would be an useful lesson for actions taken on the ODF TC and in OpenOffice-legacy implementations that provide breaking changes to default behavior. There are more of those on their way. The sudden change of Save As Password to use different encryption methods not known down-level was just a first taste. Breaking changes with regard to SVG compatibility will be more noticeable. And the new change-tracking that may emerge in ODF 1.3 will go farther still. - Dennis And such as the dropping of StarOffice binary format support for the older binary formats mentioned by Alex a few weeks ago. Steve -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
On 02/06/2013 04:56 AM, Michael Meeks wrote: Hi Stephen, On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 06:57 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote: I have Eclipse with the OpenOffice plugin to enable development of extensions for Libreoffice. Can someone tell where I can get documentation on the Libreoffice Calc internals and how to interface specifically to things like the Pivot Table dialogue so that it can be extended. I want to work around the fact that Pivot Tables in Calc 3.6.5 are functionally not equivalent to Excel 2002 let alone Excel 2010? Oh - that's bad :-) I was also thinking of developing these extensions in Java, are there any issues with doing so? Well - if you develop this in Java then it's unlikely to get into the code code. Also - you'll have a rather grim time trying to get everything you want, and (I suspect) you'll find embedding into arbitrary dialogs is not really easy at all. So - I -strongly- recommend just checking out the code, compiling it and poking the developers list for some code pointers to that dialog. Adding the features you need to the core, so everyone can enjoy them out of the box is almost certainly the best way to achieve your goals - and (after all) C++ is not so distantly related to Java :-) Hi Michael, I have already downloaded to source code and had considered modifying the code directly, but thought and extension might be easier and simpler, but if writing an extension means that it won't be guaranteed of making the product then modifying the code is the better way to go. I haven't looked at C++ in a long time but it shouldn't be that difficult to pick up again, and it should be easy to get the code suite into my Eclipse development environment once I update it for C++. I'm also running out of time for relating Calc's compatibility to Excel 2002 as in April/May the organisation I work for is upgrading to 2010, so I may just have to develop for compatibilty with that. I have 2010 installed on this machine at home, but it is running under Windows and I'll be doing my development work under Linux, and last time I looked Office 2010 doesn't run under Wine nor CrossOver Office. regards, Steve Does that make sense ? Thanks ! Michael. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.0
On 02/05/2013 11:53 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) On the other hand MS Office still does not support many features of LibreOffice yet either. Plus a LOT of the functionality of MS Office depends on you buying the 'right' bundle and then buying extra apps on top of whatever is included in the bundle. For example the Student's version of MSO doesn't include Publisher or Access. Plus their default formats rely on everyone using the same version and the same OS as the person that created the document and only really works on desktop machines. Plus all the security issues that MS documents and the app has suffered from over the years are almost entirely avoided by Libreoffice and all the other OpenSource office programs. Will MSO ever catch up on security or cross-platform compatibility? Regards from Tom :) Microsoft may catch up on cross platform compatibility if they release Office for Linux as has been rumored, plus the fact that they have their development fingers in the Linux Kernel and KDE should assist with that, particularly if Microsoft want to realize their dream of taking over the world. As far as security is concerned, that will never happen. They don't have the reputation of Microsoft and Security don't go together for nothing, plus they continually demonstrate that they don't understand the basics of security. regards, Steve From: Urmas davian...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2013, 13:42 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.0 Chad Homan cho...@gmail.com: My question is, is LO 4.0 suppose to be the release that supports 120% of MSO97. Not yet, it does not support 100% of MS Word 2.0 (from 1992) yet. Of course it has some bells and whistles and even a couple of useful features, but still no cigar. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: http://www.LinuxQuestions.org 2012 Annual Poll
Le 2013-02-02 04:58, Marc Paré a écrit : Results are in: LibreOffice by a landslide of 85.14%! Pass the word! http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/2012-linuxquestions-org-members-choice-awards-104/office-suite-of-the-year-4175441849/ AND http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/2012mca.php \O/ Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.0
That's very funny. What particular basics of security do you have in mind? And how would you say LibreOffice 4.0 will demonstrate superiority in that regard? -Original Message- From: Stephen Morris [mailto:samor...@netspace.net.au] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:20 To: Tom Davies; Urmas; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.0 [Microsoft] don't have the reputation of Microsoft and Security don't go together for nothing, plus they continually demonstrate that they don't understand the basics of security. regards, Steve [ ... ] -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.0
Il 05/02/2013 13:53, Tom Davies ha scritto: Hi :) Will MSO ever catch up on security or cross-platform compatibility? security maybe (but it is not on the ms's vip list), but not cross-platform... can you imagine ms dealing with linux (as many public administrations un europe are doing) ? Regards from Tom :) -- www.libreoffice.org -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
