Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1 upgrade from 4.0.4 - now does not find Java
Hi Rogman I think I can help you with this. LO is currently a 32bit app set, that you, like me, are running on a 64bit O/S. No issue with this as Windows 7 64bit know hows to work with both 32bit and 64bit apps, hence the two Program Files (64bit default app store) and Program files (x86) (32bit default app store). So with that bit of tech-ed above out of the way, what this means is it looks like you have only installed the 64bit version of JRE (Java Runtime Edition). LO Base cannot see or use it, hence it showing up in the settings but Base not able to use it. My advice is install both the 32bit version and 64 bit version of JRE 1.7.0_27, problem solved. LO will sort out which version to use as each app is run. As a matter of interest for Linux users, this behaviour is the same with 64bit version as well, so the advice can be applied the same way. Regards On 25/07/2013 06:18 PM, Rogman wrote: I have been using various versions of LO for some time now and have just upgraded from V4.0.4 to V4.1. All seems OK apart from base which does not find Java Runtime SE 7u25; however it is shown OK in the advanced Options - LibreOffice - Advanced setting as Oracle Corporation 1.7.0_25. Is this a bug or is there a workaround? Using Win7 64bit -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO-4-1-upgrade-from-4-0-4-now-does-not-find-Java-tp4067306.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3
Hi :) That 3rd digit is roughly the equivalent of Service pack. So usually the higher it is the more stable it is. Of course even just bug-patches and fixes can sometimes introduce unexpected problems that might not get caught by QA. The best answer, imo, is to keep a very stable version that you are happy enough with on all the machines you look after especially ones that have limited access or that you can't reach easily. Then on 1 machine find some way of being able to test-drive an occasional beta-test versions before it gets released. Preferably do about 1 per branch. The problem is that things you might care about deeply might not even be getting used by other people at all. So it's only you that might notice. So if you didn't test-drive then the problem might never be found. Also it's better to do your testing on a beta release rather than a full release because it's during the early beta stage that the most devs are the most focussed on the 1 single version and trying to solve the most problems quickly. Also it's when the fewest other people are making bug-reports. There are various ways you could make sure you have access to 1 version for use for work that has a dead-line and another version that you can just use to try things out and make sure it all works. Regards from Tom :) From: Amit Choudhary contact.amit.choudhary.in...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 3:35 Subject: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 Hi, I was using 4.0.2 and then I downloaded 4.0.3 but 4.0.3 is not as stable as 4.0.2. So, now I am downloading 4.0.4. I am more interested in stable and feature rich (optional) software rather than frequently released software. Stablility is very important because a non-stable software / software having many bugs results in loss of time and frustartion. Amit -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Help with two issue I am finding in LO
Hi Tim That's it, you got it, what I (and all of my customers using LO) are experiencing. And this behaviour happens whether posting from the web or locally from the hard drive. What I find strange, is that if there is already a laid out document (locally), or a web page with text and pictures, they will cut/copy and paste correctly and lay out in the new document. LO seems to preserve (within reason for the different formats) the format of a previously created document. This seems to only happen when one is creating a new document with text, and one wants to paste in images of any sort. And as I iterated in my post, if you choose too many images, it seems to stall and sometime crash LO Writer, I think because they are being stacked on top of each other, it causes a resource overflow (my opinion of what I think is happening). Regards Andrew On 26/07/2013 02:51 AM, Tim Lloyd wrote: Hi Andrew, I just had a look at the writer issue. Keeping it simple I downloaded 2 images from the web into my downloads folder. I opened a new writer document, went to my file browser and selected both images (FWIW a jpg a gif). When I pasted into writer the 2nd image was pasted on top of the first. Is that what you see? I expected to see the images separated in some way. Cheers On 07/25/2013 06:13 PM, Andrew Brown wrote: Hi Tim Ok, at least I have a comrade with the same observation and non function. Yes I am aware of the cell right click, but I suppose force of continuous habit on my behalf in using this in the input line, and a family raised from school level on MSO, as well as my wife very proficient in MSO, all pointed this out to me. So I find it not sufficient to leave it out, as I said it works in other versions of spreadsheet programs, so why not LO. Have you tried the Writer issue I have, with pasting multiple images into it, try it. Another program non-feature/problem that needs to be fixed. Thanks for the feedback. Andrew Brown On 25/07/2013 09:50 AM, Tim Lloyd wrote: Hi Andrew, I agree regarding the calc issue. I tried this on 4.0.4.2 under Fedora and 4.0.0.3 portable under Windows. Neither allow you to right click on the input line. As you noted, CTRL-C works. So, I cranked up LO3.6.2.2 under XP. Same. The only thing I noticed is that you can right click on the cell itself. No need to go up to the input line. I wonder if this is deemed to be sufficient. Cheers On 07/24/2013 06:26 PM, Andrew Brown wrote: Hi Everyone Well this is now my turn to ask for some help, and to see if any of you have or are experiencing these issues. This applies to both my Windows version, and Ubuntu Raring versions of LO, so a common occurrence. And it has persisted since I migrated over to LO. Your responses will assist me before I send this as a bug report, missing feature. In Calc, I cannot copy and paste any data content out of the input line at the top i.e. right click the mouse and copy using the now non existent drop down menu. This goes for an existing spreadsheet or creating a new one. In the past, not sure if it was early versions of LO Calc, or OOo Calc, but I could do this, no problems. I copy from a lot of pricelists and other similiar type spreadsheets, and paste into order sheets or directly into emails for my business, and I find now the only workaround is to highlight the content and Ctrl c to copy it, or using the menu Edit. This needs to be looked at and added as a feature, or returned as a feature. MS Office Excel has always allowed this as well. This next one is in Writer, and many of my clients have this issue as well, and I feel this is a major failure or feature exclusion. Writer cannot handle the copy and paste of multiple image files, such as photos etc, and then automatically space them one below the other. Many of my clients are in the field as motor vehicle assessors and take multiple pictures of vehicle repairs (up to about twenty per vehicle), process them to reduce their physical size, then paste them into a word processor and compile into a PDF before emailing to the insurance houses. MS Office can do this and has always done this with no issues whatsoever, but LO Writer simply dumps the images one on top of the other, with a lot of unnecessary work to have to drag and place each image in order below the previous one. And this is not consistent, sometimes Writer fails with a lot of photos (noticeably more than five). This lack of feature is now forcing many of my customers to return to MSO, and I feel it needs to be addressed and fixed. Regards -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be
Re: [libreoffice-users] Help with two issue I am finding in LO
Hi folks Let me embelish a little further as to why it's useful to cut/copy and paste from the spreadsheet input line. I caught myself doing this last night and I now know why I want this feature back. I also tested against this using my wife's laptop running MSO 2010. When one right clicks on a cell and copies it, the pasting also collects the cell format (it's borders and layout) along with the text/data, and this is not the action one wants (or what I am looking for), only the text is wanted. So it involves more steps than necessary to cut/copy, then using the paste special or paste only - text in another document. Or as I said highlighting the info wanted in Calc's input line, and then using Ctrl c. With the feature of cut/copy from the input line offered by other mentioned spreadsheet apps input line, the default action is to right click - copy, which only copies the text, and paste. So this is a straight forward process, only two actions involved. Hope this helps explain what I am about with this problem now, in LO Calc. Regards Andrew Brown On 25/07/2013 08:43 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote: It is not suficient. If I copy the input line and past to the input line of a new cell the cell references stay the same. Not so if I copy a cell. CMD-C works on the mac. On linux highlighting the line copies it to clipboard and middle click pastes it. Steve On 25/07/13 7:50 PM, Tim Lloyd wrote: Hi Andrew, I agree regarding the calc issue. I tried this on 4.0.4.2 under Fedora and 4.0.0.3 portable under Windows. Neither allow you to right click on the input line. As you noted, CTRL-C works. So, I cranked up LO3.6.2.2 under XP. Same. The only thing I noticed is that you can right click on the cell itself. No need to go up to the input line. I wonder if this is deemed to be sufficient. Cheers On 07/24/2013 06:26 PM, Andrew Brown wrote: Hi Everyone Well this is now my turn to ask for some help, and to see if any of you have or are experiencing these issues. This applies to both my Windows version, and Ubuntu Raring versions of LO, so a common occurrence. And it has persisted since I migrated over to LO. Your responses will assist me before I send this as a bug report, missing feature. In Calc, I cannot copy and paste any data content out of the input line at the top i.e. right click the mouse and copy using the now non existent drop down menu. This goes for an existing spreadsheet or creating a new one. In the past, not sure if it was early versions of LO Calc, or OOo Calc, but I could do this, no problems. I copy from a lot of pricelists and other similiar type spreadsheets, and paste into order sheets or directly into emails for my business, and I find now the only workaround is to highlight the content and Ctrl c to copy it, or using the menu Edit. This needs to be looked at and added as a feature, or returned as a feature. MS Office Excel has always allowed this as well. This next one is in Writer, and many of my clients have this issue as well, and I feel this is a major failure or feature exclusion. Writer cannot handle the copy and paste of multiple image files, such as photos etc, and then automatically space them one below the other. Many of my clients are in the field as motor vehicle assessors and take multiple pictures of vehicle repairs (up to about twenty per vehicle), process them to reduce their physical size, then paste them into a word processor and compile into a PDF before emailing to the insurance houses. MS Office can do this and has always done this with no issues whatsoever, but LO Writer simply dumps the images one on top of the other, with a lot of unnecessary work to have to drag and place each image in order below the previous one. And this is not consistent, sometimes Writer fails with a lot of photos (noticeably more than five). This lack of feature is now forcing many of my customers to return to MSO, and I feel it needs to be addressed and fixed. Regards -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Help with two issue I am finding in LO
Hi :)I had not really noticed that because it was what i expected anyway. I kinda like it this way because i right-click one pic go to picture change the size, anchor point, wrap, maybe add a url to make it clickable. Then drag it away and grab the next pic. So, i like it because i know where all the pics are and it help me track which i have done and which i haven't. There might be some mileage in working out how to use position in the same dialogue-box to move the pic to roughly the right position, or even exactly right spot if i ever knew that in advance. Has this behaviour changed in LO recently? If it's always been like this then it's a feature request isn't it? Otherwise it's a bug report and might help to find out which version changed the behaviour? Regards from Tom :) From: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za To: Tim Lloyd tim.ll...@gmx.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 8:30 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Help with two issue I am finding in LO Hi Tim That's it, you got it, what I (and all of my customers using LO) are experiencing. And this behaviour happens whether posting from the web or locally from the hard drive. What I find strange, is that if there is already a laid out document (locally), or a web page with text and pictures, they will cut/copy and paste correctly and lay out in the new document. LO seems to preserve (within reason for the different formats) the format of a previously created document. This seems to only happen when one is creating a new document with text, and one wants to paste in images of any sort. And as I iterated in my post, if you choose too many images, it seems to stall and sometime crash LO Writer, I think because they are being stacked on top of each other, it causes a resource overflow (my opinion of what I think is happening). Regards Andrew On 26/07/2013 02:51 AM, Tim Lloyd wrote: Hi Andrew, I just had a look at the writer issue. Keeping it simple I downloaded 2 images from the web into my downloads folder. I opened a new writer document, went to my file browser and selected both images (FWIW a jpg a gif). When I pasted into writer the 2nd image was pasted on top of the first. Is that what you see? I expected to see the images separated in some way. Cheers On 07/25/2013 06:13 PM, Andrew Brown wrote: Hi Tim Ok, at least I have a comrade with the same observation and non function. Yes I am aware of the cell right click, but I suppose force of continuous habit on my behalf in using this in the input line, and a family raised from school level on MSO, as well as my wife very proficient in MSO, all pointed this out to me. So I find it not sufficient to leave it out, as I said it works in other versions of spreadsheet programs, so why not LO. Have you tried the Writer issue I have, with pasting multiple images into it, try it. Another program non-feature/problem that needs to be fixed. Thanks for the feedback. Andrew Brown On 25/07/2013 09:50 AM, Tim Lloyd wrote: Hi Andrew, I agree regarding the calc issue. I tried this on 4.0.4.2 under Fedora and 4.0.0.3 portable under Windows. Neither allow you to right click on the input line. As you noted, CTRL-C works. So, I cranked up LO3.6.2.2 under XP. Same. The only thing I noticed is that you can right click on the cell itself. No need to go up to the input line. I wonder if this is deemed to be sufficient. Cheers On 07/24/2013 06:26 PM, Andrew Brown wrote: Hi Everyone Well this is now my turn to ask for some help, and to see if any of you have or are experiencing these issues. This applies to both my Windows version, and Ubuntu Raring versions of LO, so a common occurrence. And it has persisted since I migrated over to LO. Your responses will assist me before I send this as a bug report, missing feature. In Calc, I cannot copy and paste any data content out of the input line at the top i.e. right click the mouse and copy using the now non existent drop down menu. This goes for an existing spreadsheet or creating a new one. In the past, not sure if it was early versions of LO Calc, or OOo Calc, but I could do this, no problems. I copy from a lot of pricelists and other similiar type spreadsheets, and paste into order sheets or directly into emails for my business, and I find now the only workaround is to highlight the content and Ctrl c to copy it, or using the menu Edit. This needs to be looked at and added as a feature, or returned as a feature. MS Office Excel has always allowed this as well. This next one is in Writer, and many of my clients have this issue as well, and I feel this is a major failure or feature exclusion. Writer cannot handle the copy and paste of multiple image files, such as photos etc, and then automatically space them one below the other. Many
Re: [libreoffice-users] Help with two issue I am finding in LO
Hi Tom I see for you it works, but the method I am talking about has always been my mentioned process in ALL other version of word processors. As you indicate, you like it this way, and probably have many years of experience in word processing, and have adapted and adopted the way it works for you. I have found newbies, and those not computer literate, but are able to operate an app quite proficiently, don't like it at all, especially when trying to migrate them from MSO ot other Office suites. My wife who is a very proficient MSO user, does not like using LO Writer as it does not do certain things she is used to in MSO. These are all hindrances for an effective migration to LO from a closed source payware world, the comment is the same from laymen can it do this, No, then thanks but no thanks, I'll stay with what I know, and can work with. With all respect, it is the users/laymen that dictate a success or failure of an app or suite of apps. And I personally like the way MSO does it too, so a hindrance, especially as I mentioned when one is working with many images. Once the images are placed, and self sorted one below the other, it's still in the users ability and the app, to relocate and move the images around. Yes this behaviour has changed in LO, but not sure when and with which version. OOo and AOO do it this way, as well as MSO has always done it this way. So yes it's possibly a feature request, or a bug fix, we'll have to find out from the dev's when and if this changed. Regards On 26/07/2013 10:23 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :)I had not really noticed that because it was what i expected anyway. I kinda like it this way because i right-click one pic go to picture change the size, anchor point, wrap, maybe add a url to make it clickable. Then drag it away and grab the next pic. So, i like it because i know where all the pics are and it help me track which i have done and which i haven't. There might be some mileage in working out how to use position in the same dialogue-box to move the pic to roughly the right position, or even exactly right spot if i ever knew that in advance. Has this behaviour changed in LO recently? If it's always been like this then it's a feature request isn't it? Otherwise it's a bug report and might help to find out which version changed the behaviour? Regards from Tom :) From: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za To: Tim Lloyd tim.ll...@gmx.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 8:30 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Help with two issue I am finding in LO Hi Tim That's it, you got it, what I (and all of my customers using LO) are experiencing. And this behaviour happens whether posting from the web or locally from the hard drive. What I find strange, is that if there is already a laid out document (locally), or a web page with text and pictures, they will cut/copy and paste correctly and lay out in the new document. LO seems to preserve (within reason for the different formats) the format of a previously created document. This seems to only happen when one is creating a new document with text, and one wants to paste in images of any sort. And as I iterated in my post, if you choose too many images, it seems to stall and sometime crash LO Writer, I think because they are being stacked on top of each other, it causes a resource overflow (my opinion of what I think is happening). Regards Andrew On 26/07/2013 02:51 AM, Tim Lloyd wrote: Hi Andrew, I just had a look at the writer issue. Keeping it simple I downloaded 2 images from the web into my downloads folder. I opened a new writer document, went to my file browser and selected both images (FWIW a jpg a gif). When I pasted into writer the 2nd image was pasted on top of the first. Is that what you see? I expected to see the images separated in some way. Cheers On 07/25/2013 06:13 PM, Andrew Brown wrote: Hi Tim Ok, at least I have a comrade with the same observation and non function. Yes I am aware of the cell right click, but I suppose force of continuous habit on my behalf in using this in the input line, and a family raised from school level on MSO, as well as my wife very proficient in MSO, all pointed this out to me. So I find it not sufficient to leave it out, as I said it works in other versions of spreadsheet programs, so why not LO. Have you tried the Writer issue I have, with pasting multiple images into it, try it. Another program non-feature/problem that needs to be fixed. Thanks for the feedback. Andrew Brown On 25/07/2013 09:50 AM, Tim Lloyd wrote: Hi Andrew, I agree regarding the calc issue. I tried this on 4.0.4.2 under Fedora and 4.0.0.3 portable under Windows. Neither allow you to right click on the input line. As you noted, CTRL-C works. So, I cranked up LO3.6.2.2 under XP. Same. The only thing I noticed is that you can right click on the cell itself. No
Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3
Unfortunately, the 3rd digit rule doesn't work as goog as expected... I use report builder in base, 4.0.3.3 version. Download 4.0.4 and report builder no more works (crash in opening). thanks anyway for developers work, I remember this is a free sw, at the end Federico Quadri Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk ha scritto: Hi :) That 3rd digit is roughly the equivalent of Service pack. So usually the higher it is the more stable it is. Of course even just bug-patches and fixes can sometimes introduce unexpected problems that might not get caught by QA. The best answer, imo, is to keep a very stable version that you are happy enough with on all the machines you look after especially ones that have limited access or that you can't reach easily. Then on 1 machine find some way of being able to test-drive an occasional beta-test versions before it gets released. Preferably do about 1 per branch. The problem is that things you might care about deeply might not even be getting used by other people at all. So it's only you that might notice. So if you didn't test-drive then the problem might never be found. Also it's better to do your testing on a beta release rather than a full release because it's during the early beta stage that the most devs are the most focussed on the 1 single version and trying to solve the most problems quickly. Also it's when the fewest other people are making bug-reports. There are various ways you could make sure you have access to 1 version for use for work that has a dead-line and another version that you can just use to try things out and make sure it all works. Regards from Tom :) From: Amit Choudhary contact.amit.choudhary.in...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 3:35 Subject: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 Hi, I was using 4.0.2 and then I downloaded 4.0.3 but 4.0.3 is not as stable as 4.0.2. So, now I am downloading 4.0.4. I am more interested in stable and feature rich (optional) software rather than frequently released software. Stablility is very important because a non-stable software / software having many bugs results in loss of time and frustartion. Amit -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base PostgreSQL Transactions
Thanks for the help. This gives me some idea of the general approach I can take.I very much appreciate it. It probably will still take some time to work out the details, as I am not much of a programmer (though I do dabble). On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:46 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: On 07/22/2013 02:48 AM, Alex Thurgood wrote: Le 19/07/2013 22:31, Don Parris a écrit : Hi Don, One possible way is to set up your form (which after all, is only a Writer or Calc document) as a dummy interface that is not bound to any data fields, and then use Basic to manage the data entered by the user as an array, construct a SQL statement, connect to the db, and then commit that statement. I haven't tried this, but in theory, it should work. Alex You know Alex, when you put it that way, it seems so obvious Most great ideas seem so AFTER someone thinks of them. I tip my hat to you sir! -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odthttp://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscribe@global.**libreoffice.orgusers%2bunsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- D.C. Parris, FMP, Linux+, ESL Certificate Minister, Security/FM Coordinator, Free Software Advocate http://dcparris.net/ https://www.xing.com/profile/Don_Parrishttp://www.linkedin.com/in/dcparris GPG Key ID: F5E179BE -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Customizing Number Format of each level in Writer-Tools-Outline Numbering
On 07/25/2013 04:29 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Sina Sina Momken schrieb: Let me show you what exact Outline Numbering I want using the example below: LevelExample(desired output)Associated Paragraph Style 1 Chapter 3:Chapter 2 3.2-Heading 1 3 3.2.5-Heading 2 43.2.5.9-Heading 3 5 (b)none 6 Fig (3.12)Fig Caption 7 (3.27)Formula 8Table (3.20)Table Caption As you can see in the example above the '3' in Fig (3.12), (3.27) and Table (3.20) is the chapter number at level 1. [..] How can I achieve my desired output I mentioned in first example using LO Writer? You do the outline numbering with Chapter, Heading 1 , ... with normal outline numbering. You need to define a paragraph style Chapter and alter the assignment between paragraph style and level in the outline numbering dialog. LibreOffice uses the field Number range for numbering in captions. Therefore these are not at all in the outline numbering. But when you insert a caption to a table or figure, you will see a Options-buttons. There you can tell LibreOffice to count newly for each chapter. The caption item in the context menu is only a shortened way to set a caption. You can also write your own caption inserting the field Number range manually. That will be the right way for numbering formulas. The Autotext FN puts the formula and the formula-numbering in a table. I would not use it, because it is not easily possible to move paragraphs, when the movement crosses a table. I would position the formula number using a tab. For display formulas in own paragraphs you can define a suitable paragraph style. The captions are normal paragraphs, so you can add the needed brackets manually as you need them. Each Number range will generate its own index later on. The numbers of the outline can be inserted using fields. Do not try to mimic the way things are done in Word, the concepts are different. But you can be sure, that you can write well formatted academic papers in LibreOffice. Kind regards Regina Using LibreOffice internal captions or Number range has some problems that MUST be solved to be used: 1. Cross-Reference in the text body: Assume you has inserted a new Number range named Fig either using Caption or inserting manually. Regardless of the need to manually correct brackets and the whole format, when you want to insert the Fig number in your text using Cross-reference, there is NO way to insert the whole Fig number while preserving its format. For example if you has entered the text Fig (2.1) something under a picture, there is no way to automatically insert Fig (2.1) in your text using Cross-reference. When using Cross-reference, after selecting Fig as the type, you can insert the whole paragraph (i.e. Fig (2.1) something) by selecting Insert reference to = Reference or you can even insert Fig (2.1 by selecting Insert reference to = Category and Number but you can never insert the well-formatted text Fig (2.1). The ability to cross-reference a caption is very very important, since I can not insert Fig numbers manually because in that case I must update all caption numbers in text whenever they've changed in the caption. 2. Insertion of a frame when Right-click-Caption: Using caption item in context-menu is very easy, but unfortunately it places both the image and it caption in a frame. Using frame can be good to maintain image and its caption in a page, but I don't like it because unfortunately the frame resizes the image! Actually some of the images I've inserted are very big and I intentionally resized them to be wider than width of the paragraph. Also having images wider than the paragraph maybe not standard, but if I keep them smaller their details may become unreadable. Is there any way to not insert a frame or not resize the image after insertion of frame when we're using context-menu-caption? There are also some LESS SEVERE problems in using Number range or caption: A. Insertion of a well-formatted caption: Unfortunately there is no short and easy way to insert a well-formatted caption in Writer. Anytime I insert a caption I have to manually correct the brackets and other things I need. I wished there was a way to do so automatically. B. Using Number range is not as easy as using a predefined Numbering: When you use a predefined Numbering you don't need to worry about numbering format and correct it anytime. Plus you can associate that predefined numbering to a paragraph style and whenever you use that style for your caption, the proper numbers and their constant text will appear as a special kind of numbering without the need to manually insert them. Using a Numbering like those in Outline Numberings also gives the option to precisely determine Position of each numbering which is more accurate than manually placing a Number range before our
Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3
I currently am running 4.0.4 on all my systems - Ubuntu and Windows. Currently, in the pas month, versions 3.6.7 and 4.1.0 have come out. 3.6.7 is the end-of-line release for that line and it very stable, but does not have some of the features of the 4.0.x line. 4.1.0 is the first of that line and has some features that 4.0.4 does not. These include better MS XML filters to read/write the file formats like .docx and the others with x in their name. If you follow the information in the release plan image [link] then you may be happy. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOReleaseLifecycle.png For some people, they wait till the release ends with .4 or .5. i.e. go from the 4.0.x line when you reach 4.0.4 or 4.0.5 Then go to the 4.1.x line when 4.1.4 or 4.1.5 comes out. 4.0.4 is out now and 4.0.5 comes out in about 2 weeks. 3.6.7 is also out now, but I would stick with 4.0.4 and its newer versions, for now. On 07/26/2013 05:31 AM, la10...@iperbole.bologna.it wrote: Unfortunately, the 3rd digit rule doesn't work as goog as expected... I use report builder in base, 4.0.3.3 version. Download 4.0.4 and report builder no more works (crash in opening). thanks anyway for developers work, I remember this is a free sw, at the end Federico Quadri Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk ha scritto: Hi :) That 3rd digit is roughly the equivalent of Service pack. So usually the higher it is the more stable it is. Of course even just bug-patches and fixes can sometimes introduce unexpected problems that might not get caught by QA. The best answer, imo, is to keep a very stable version that you are happy enough with on all the machines you look after especially ones that have limited access or that you can't reach easily. Then on 1 machine find some way of being able to test-drive an occasional beta-test versions before it gets released. Preferably do about 1 per branch. The problem is that things you might care about deeply might not even be getting used by other people at all. So it's only you that might notice. So if you didn't test-drive then the problem might never be found. Also it's better to do your testing on a beta release rather than a full release because it's during the early beta stage that the most devs are the most focussed on the 1 single version and trying to solve the most problems quickly. Also it's when the fewest other people are making bug-reports. There are various ways you could make sure you have access to 1 version for use for work that has a dead-line and another version that you can just use to try things out and make sure it all works. Regards from Tom :) From: Amit Choudhary contact.amit.choudhary.in...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 3:35 Subject: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 Hi, I was using 4.0.2 and then I downloaded 4.0.3 but 4.0.3 is not as stable as 4.0.2. So, now I am downloading 4.0.4. I am more interested in stable and feature rich (optional) software rather than frequently released software. Stablility is very important because a non-stable software / software having many bugs results in loss of time and frustartion. Amit -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1 upgrade from 4.0.4 - now does not find Java
On 2013-07-26 3:15 AM, Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za wrote: So with that bit of tech-ed above out of the way, what this means is it looks like you have only installed the 64bit version of JRE (Java Runtime Edition). LO Base cannot see or use it, hence it showing up in the settings but Base not able to use it. My advice is install both the 32bit version and 64 bit version of JRE 1.7.0_27, problem solved. LO will sort out which version to use as each app is run. Why install a 64 bit version of Java if you don't need it? Just install the 32 bit version... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Help with two issue I am finding in LO
Hi :) Just because 1 person likes it doesn't mean anyone else should. Even if you don't know exactly when the behaviour changed you can still post a bug-report and just try to let them know roughly the last time you remember the behaviour being the way you liked. It can be pinned down more precisely later. People are on quite a few different versions of LO at the moment so maybe some help from others might do it. Really bug-reports and feature requests all get posted the same way. The option to post as feature request is at the bottom of one of the drop-downs in the bug-report. So it's reasonably easy to change that later too! :) The important thing is to post something. It can be finessed later. I've not looked into memory settings but that has to be worth exploring, maybe after posting the bug-report. If the memory issue or something else fixes it you can always close the bug. Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 11:16 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Help with two issue I am finding in LO I want to jump in here and ask - have you changed the memory settings to handle the many images? If you do not have enough memory for the number of images you are using for the document, then you may have some of the image issues you talked about. Tools / Options / LibreOffice / Memory The Graphics cache listings should be increased - all of them. The Number of objects should also be increased Reduce the Undo - Number of steps figure to 20 or 30. Are you having problems with images moving from the place you put them on the document? Then you need to anchor the image to the page, instead of the default of paragraph. I find that if I want to make a page that is mostly images, this is the only way to keep them in place. I use to be a heavy MSO user, but I ended with MSO 2003. After that I went to OOo and then LO when it first came out. I learned about OOo when it was mentioned in an Author's Note in the back of a book I was reading. The author needed macros and other things to help him with writing his 4+ books a year. He did not like MSO's options and features for what he needed. He now uses LO on his Linux system. He uses a Windows system for the Internet, since he could not get his Linux computers to use the dial-up modem properly. He lives on a tree farm, as he calls it, and cannot get broadband service. For me, I am no longer using as much of an office suite as I use to. Mostly Writer and a little Calc these days. I had to slow down after several debilitating injuries and 3 small strokes, or my doctors would make sure my meds would slow me down. But, even in my forced retirement I still do some work for not-for-profit organizations and friends and family. I also do as much as I can to get locals to see that there is an alternative to the MS and MSO option. Soon, I will be passing out a number of 4.0.5 DVDs to the locals. Have to get some to the local and State government officials that I have had contact with recently but did not have any DVDs or brochures with me. On 07/26/2013 04:52 AM, Andrew Brown wrote: Hi Tom I see for you it works, but the method I am talking about has always been my mentioned process in ALL other version of word processors. As you indicate, you like it this way, and probably have many years of experience in word processing, and have adapted and adopted the way it works for you. I have found newbies, and those not computer literate, but are able to operate an app quite proficiently, don't like it at all, especially when trying to migrate them from MSO ot other Office suites. My wife who is a very proficient MSO user, does not like using LO Writer as it does not do certain things she is used to in MSO. These are all hindrances for an effective migration to LO from a closed source payware world, the comment is the same from laymen can it do this, No, then thanks but no thanks, I'll stay with what I know, and can work with. With all respect, it is the users/laymen that dictate a success or failure of an app or suite of apps. And I personally like the way MSO does it too, so a hindrance, especially as I mentioned when one is working with many images. Once the images are placed, and self sorted one below the other, it's still in the users ability and the app, to relocate and move the images around. Yes this behaviour has changed in LO, but not sure when and with which version. OOo and AOO do it this way, as well as MSO has always done it this way. So yes it's possibly a feature request, or a bug fix, we'll have to find out from the dev's when and if this changed. Regards On 26/07/2013 10:23 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :)I had not really noticed that because it was what i expected anyway. I kinda like it this way because i
[libreoffice-users] Attempting to open any Microsoft XML document causes General I/O error after upgrade to 4.1
Just wanted to check here before I go open a bug... I just upgraded to 4.1, everything seemed fine, but I encountered a .docx document this morning, and got the dreaded 'General I/O' error. I then tried a bunch of different XML documents (.docx, .xslx, and .pptx), and every one resulted in the same error. These are all docs that opened fine in 4.0.4 Will go back to 4.0.4 and confirm it resolves the problem... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Help with two issue I am finding in LO
On 2013-07-26 3:44 AM, Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za wrote: When one right clicks on a cell and copies it, the pasting also collects the cell format (it's borders and layout) along with the text/data, If you DOUBLE-click the cell, and then highlight the contents, it does NOT bring the formatting with it... I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to right-click-copy from the input box, I think you should, but this is a workaround... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3
Hi :) I think with Base it's better to stay with older branches. The 3.6.7 might be better. if the 4.0.3 works for you then stick with that. Sadly there are still not many devs working on Base. It's not flashy enough! Regards from Tom :) From: la10...@iperbole.bologna.it la10...@iperbole.bologna.it To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 10:31 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 Unfortunately, the 3rd digit rule doesn't work as goog as expected... I use report builder in base, 4.0.3.3 version. Download 4.0.4 and report builder no more works (crash in opening). thanks anyway for developers work, I remember this is a free sw, at the end Federico Quadri Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk ha scritto: Hi :) That 3rd digit is roughly the equivalent of Service pack. So usually the higher it is the more stable it is. Of course even just bug-patches and fixes can sometimes introduce unexpected problems that might not get caught by QA. The best answer, imo, is to keep a very stable version that you are happy enough with on all the machines you look after especially ones that have limited access or that you can't reach easily. Then on 1 machine find some way of being able to test-drive an occasional beta-test versions before it gets released. Preferably do about 1 per branch. The problem is that things you might care about deeply might not even be getting used by other people at all. So it's only you that might notice. So if you didn't test-drive then the problem might never be found. Also it's better to do your testing on a beta release rather than a full release because it's during the early beta stage that the most devs are the most focussed on the 1 single version and trying to solve the most problems quickly. Also it's when the fewest other people are making bug-reports. There are various ways you could make sure you have access to 1 version for use for work that has a dead-line and another version that you can just use to try things out and make sure it all works. Regards from Tom :) From: Amit Choudhary contact.amit.choudhary.in...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 3:35 Subject: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 Hi, I was using 4.0.2 and then I downloaded 4.0.3 but 4.0.3 is not as stable as 4.0.2. So, now I am downloading 4.0.4. I am more interested in stable and feature rich (optional) software rather than frequently released software. Stablility is very important because a non-stable software / software having many bugs results in loss of time and frustartion. Amit -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1 upgrade from 4.0.4 - now does not find Java
Hi :) My guess is that the default is 64bit or else other apps might need the 64bit version. It's generally not a good idea to have more than 1 version of Java although even 1 might well be more than you need now. Accessibility and Base (using the internal back-end) still need it. Fewer and fewer wizards and extensions need it. Regards from Tom :) From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 11:33 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1 upgrade from 4.0.4 - now does not find Java On 2013-07-26 3:15 AM, Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za wrote: So with that bit of tech-ed above out of the way, what this means is it looks like you have only installed the 64bit version of JRE (Java Runtime Edition). LO Base cannot see or use it, hence it showing up in the settings but Base not able to use it. My advice is install both the 32bit version and 64 bit version of JRE 1.7.0_27, problem solved. LO will sort out which version to use as each app is run. Why install a 64 bit version of Java if you don't need it? Just install the 32 bit version... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Attempting to open any Microsoft XML document causes General I/O error after upgrade to 4.1
Hi :) I sometimes get that from files on the network but when i copy them to local desktop machine they work fine. I've not really been tracking which versions it happens with. There seems to be something about the memory settings as higher spec machines with memory settings radically bumped right up seem to suffer this a lot less. They still get it occasionally tho. I thought it was my inexperience with networking or something Regard from Tom :) From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 11:33 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Attempting to open any Microsoft XML document causes General I/O error after upgrade to 4.1 Just wanted to check here before I go open a bug... I just upgraded to 4.1, everything seemed fine, but I encountered a .docx document this morning, and got the dreaded 'General I/O' error. I then tried a bunch of different XML documents (.docx, .xslx, and .pptx), and every one resulted in the same error. These are all docs that opened fine in 4.0.4 Will go back to 4.0.4 and confirm it resolves the problem... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Help with two issue I am finding in LO
Hi :) I think that is the 'problem' isn't it? Like i said it works out fine for me because i quite like that way but i can easily understand that people might prefer something different! Regards from Tom :) From: Tim Lloyd tim.ll...@gmx.com To: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 1:51 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Help with two issue I am finding in LO Hi Andrew, I just had a look at the writer issue. Keeping it simple I downloaded 2 images from the web into my downloads folder. I opened a new writer document, went to my file browser and selected both images (FWIW a jpg a gif). When I pasted into writer the 2nd image was pasted on top of the first. Is that what you see? I expected to see the images separated in some way. Cheers On 07/25/2013 06:13 PM, Andrew Brown wrote: Hi Tim Ok, at least I have a comrade with the same observation and non function. Yes I am aware of the cell right click, but I suppose force of continuous habit on my behalf in using this in the input line, and a family raised from school level on MSO, as well as my wife very proficient in MSO, all pointed this out to me. So I find it not sufficient to leave it out, as I said it works in other versions of spreadsheet programs, so why not LO. Have you tried the Writer issue I have, with pasting multiple images into it, try it. Another program non-feature/problem that needs to be fixed. Thanks for the feedback. Andrew Brown On 25/07/2013 09:50 AM, Tim Lloyd wrote: Hi Andrew, I agree regarding the calc issue. I tried this on 4.0.4.2 under Fedora and 4.0.0.3 portable under Windows. Neither allow you to right click on the input line. As you noted, CTRL-C works. So, I cranked up LO3.6.2.2 under XP. Same. The only thing I noticed is that you can right click on the cell itself. No need to go up to the input line. I wonder if this is deemed to be sufficient. Cheers On 07/24/2013 06:26 PM, Andrew Brown wrote: Hi Everyone Well this is now my turn to ask for some help, and to see if any of you have or are experiencing these issues. This applies to both my Windows version, and Ubuntu Raring versions of LO, so a common occurrence. And it has persisted since I migrated over to LO. Your responses will assist me before I send this as a bug report, missing feature. In Calc, I cannot copy and paste any data content out of the input line at the top i.e. right click the mouse and copy using the now non existent drop down menu. This goes for an existing spreadsheet or creating a new one. In the past, not sure if it was early versions of LO Calc, or OOo Calc, but I could do this, no problems. I copy from a lot of pricelists and other similiar type spreadsheets, and paste into order sheets or directly into emails for my business, and I find now the only workaround is to highlight the content and Ctrl c to copy it, or using the menu Edit. This needs to be looked at and added as a feature, or returned as a feature. MS Office Excel has always allowed this as well. This next one is in Writer, and many of my clients have this issue as well, and I feel this is a major failure or feature exclusion. Writer cannot handle the copy and paste of multiple image files, such as photos etc, and then automatically space them one below the other. Many of my clients are in the field as motor vehicle assessors and take multiple pictures of vehicle repairs (up to about twenty per vehicle), process them to reduce their physical size, then paste them into a word processor and compile into a PDF before emailing to the insurance houses. MS Office can do this and has always done this with no issues whatsoever, but LO Writer simply dumps the images one on top of the other, with a lot of unnecessary work to have to drag and place each image in order below the previous one. And this is not consistent, sometimes Writer fails with a lot of photos (noticeably more than five). This lack of feature is now forcing many of my customers to return to MSO, and I feel it needs to be addressed and fixed. Regards -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1 upgrade from 4.0.4 - now does not find Java
Tom Davies wrote: My guess is that the default is 64bit or else other apps might need the 64bit version. It's generally not a good idea to have more than 1 version of Java although even 1 might well be more than you need now. The big question is why are the Windows version of LibreOffice and OpenOffice still 32 bit only. They've both been available in 64 bit versions on Linux for years. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Customizing Number Format of each level in Writer-Tools-Outline Numbering
Hi Sina, Sina Momken schrieb: On 07/25/2013 04:29 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Sina [..] You do the outline numbering with Chapter, Heading 1 , ... with normal outline numbering. You need to define a paragraph style Chapter and alter the assignment between paragraph style and level in the outline numbering dialog. LibreOffice uses the field Number range for numbering in captions. Therefore these are not at all in the outline numbering. But when you insert a caption to a table or figure, you will see a Options-buttons. There you can tell LibreOffice to count newly for each chapter. The caption item in the context menu is only a shortened way to set a caption. You can also write your own caption inserting the field Number range manually. That will be the right way for numbering formulas. The Autotext FN puts the formula and the formula-numbering in a table. I would not use it, because it is not easily possible to move paragraphs, when the movement crosses a table. I would position the formula number using a tab. For display formulas in own paragraphs you can define a suitable paragraph style. The captions are normal paragraphs, so you can add the needed brackets manually as you need them. Each Number range will generate its own index later on. The numbers of the outline can be inserted using fields. Do not try to mimic the way things are done in Word, the concepts are different. But you can be sure, that you can write well formatted academic papers in LibreOffice. Kind regards Regina Using LibreOffice internal captions or Number range has some problems that MUST be solved to be used: 1. Cross-Reference in the text body: Assume you has inserted a new Number range named Fig either using Caption or inserting manually. Regardless of the need to manually correct brackets and the whole format, when you want to insert the Fig number in your text using Cross-reference, there is NO way to insert the whole Fig number while preserving its format. For example if you has entered the text Fig (2.1) something under a picture, there is no way to automatically insert Fig (2.1) in your text using Cross-reference. When using Cross-reference, after selecting Fig as the type, you can insert the whole paragraph (i.e. Fig (2.1) something) by selecting Insert reference to = Reference or you can even insert Fig (2.1 by selecting Insert reference to = Category and Number but you can never insert the well-formatted text Fig (2.1). The ability to cross-reference a caption is very very important, since I can not insert Fig numbers manually because in that case I must update all caption numbers in text whenever they've changed in the caption. That is correct. The number of the Number range is the delimiter. You can - write the text around the referenced number directly and only insert the number itself as reference - insert category and number from reference and add the closing bracket manually - mark the part of the caption, that you want to be shown in the reference, set is as bookmark, and then reference the bookmark. In German the first option is in many cases appropriate, because the category often has the wrong ending for the current grammatical context. A different way is to use an autotext. I will describe it below. 2. Insertion of a frame when Right-click-Caption: Using caption item in context-menu is very easy, but unfortunately it places both the image and it caption in a frame. Using frame can be good to maintain image and its caption in a page, but I don't like it because unfortunately the frame resizes the image! Actually some of the images I've inserted are very big and I intentionally resized them to be wider than width of the paragraph. Also having images wider than the paragraph maybe not standard, but if I keep them smaller their details may become unreadable. Is there any way to not insert a frame or not resize the image after insertion of frame when we're using context-menu-caption? Right-click the picture (not the frame). Item 'Picture' tab 'Type'. In the section 'Size' you will see, that the automatism has set the width to relative 100%. When you change this back to an absolute value, the picture size will be independent of the frame size. This automatically inserted frame has another disadvantage. It is not possible to set a footnote to the caption. Here a way to get a caption without using the wizard: When you insert the picture, it is anchored to an empty paragraph as default. Open the paragraph properties of this paragraph and enable option Keep with next paragraph in tab Text flow. Then in the next paragraph enter your caption. To enter the caption quickly, you can generate an autotext. You need to do this only once. Mark the whole paragraph of an proper styled caption and generate an autotext of type New, not type New (only text). This autotext will include the paragraph style too. Open it for edit and delete the special picture title, but not the closing
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1 upgrade from 4.0.4 - now does not find Java
On 2013-07-26 7:54 AM, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: Tom Davies wrote: My guess is that the default is 64bit or else other apps might need the 64bit version. It's generally not a good idea to have more than 1 version of Java although even 1 might well be more than you need now. The big question is why are the Windows version of LibreOffice and OpenOffice still 32 bit only. They've both been available in 64 bit versions on Linux for years. Because there is basically no good reason to use a 64bit version of an Office application - unless you really need to work with a spreadsheet or text document that approaches 4GB in size (shudder)... Even Microsoft recommends installing the 32bit version of Office on 64bit machines. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1 upgrade from 4.0.4 - now does not find Java
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 08:03:43 -0400, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2013-07-26 7:54 AM, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: Tom Davies wrote: My guess is that the default is 64bit or else other apps might need the 64bit version. It's generally not a good idea to have more than 1 version of Java although even 1 might well be more than you need now. The big question is why are the Windows version of LibreOffice and OpenOffice still 32 bit only. They've both been available in 64 bit versions on Linux for years. Because there is basically no good reason to use a 64bit version of an Office application - unless you really need to work with a spreadsheet or text document that approaches 4GB in size (shudder)... Even Microsoft recommends installing the 32bit version of Office on 64bit machines. The 4GB limit causes problems with databases moreso than a text document or spreadsheet. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Customizing Number Format of each level in Writer-Tools-Outline Numbering
On 07/26/2013 11:52 AM, Sina Momken wrote: On 07/25/2013 04:29 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Sina Sina Momken schrieb: Let me show you what exact Outline Numbering I want using the example below: LevelExample(desired output)Associated Paragraph Style 1 Chapter 3:Chapter 2 3.2-Heading 1 3 3.2.5-Heading 2 43.2.5.9-Heading 3 5 (b)none 6 Fig (3.12)Fig Caption 7 (3.27)Formula 8Table (3.20)Table Caption As you can see in the example above the '3' in Fig (3.12), (3.27) and Table (3.20) is the chapter number at level 1. [..] How can I achieve my desired output I mentioned in first example using LO Writer? You do the outline numbering with Chapter, Heading 1 , ... with normal outline numbering. You need to define a paragraph style Chapter and alter the assignment between paragraph style and level in the outline numbering dialog. LibreOffice uses the field Number range for numbering in captions. Therefore these are not at all in the outline numbering. But when you insert a caption to a table or figure, you will see a Options-buttons. There you can tell LibreOffice to count newly for each chapter. The caption item in the context menu is only a shortened way to set a caption. You can also write your own caption inserting the field Number range manually. That will be the right way for numbering formulas. The Autotext FN puts the formula and the formula-numbering in a table. I would not use it, because it is not easily possible to move paragraphs, when the movement crosses a table. I would position the formula number using a tab. For display formulas in own paragraphs you can define a suitable paragraph style. The captions are normal paragraphs, so you can add the needed brackets manually as you need them. Each Number range will generate its own index later on. The numbers of the outline can be inserted using fields. Do not try to mimic the way things are done in Word, the concepts are different. But you can be sure, that you can write well formatted academic papers in LibreOffice. Kind regards Regina Using LibreOffice internal captions or Number range has some problems that MUST be solved to be used: 1. Cross-Reference in the text body: Assume you has inserted a new Number range named Fig either using Caption or inserting manually. Regardless of the need to manually correct brackets and the whole format, when you want to insert the Fig number in your text using Cross-reference, there is NO way to insert the whole Fig number while preserving its format. For example if you has entered the text Fig (2.1) something under a picture, there is no way to automatically insert Fig (2.1) in your text using Cross-reference. I first must admit that I didn't read this whole thread and I'm not sure what you actually need, but think you can insert text Fig (2.1) in a cross reference. I hope I understood you well and I really wont to help you: First you should insert your picture and set anchoring as Regina said. Then insert text Fig. after that go Insert - Cross-reference, choose Variable tab and there (in format box) select Text, enter e.g (2.1) and then write rest of the caption text. Now select only Fig. (2.1) or what ever you need and go to Cross-reference tab, choose Set reference, enter it's name in Name box, and choose Insert. Place your cursor in desire position and then in Cross-reference tab choose insert reference, select reference, and in a white box left to the Name select Reference, hit Insert. I hope that's what you wont to do. You still have to manually insert Variables and set cross-reference, but you sort the brackets problem. Kruno -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Customizing Number Format of each level in Writer-Tools-Outline Numbering
On 07/26/2013 02:34 PM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 07/26/2013 11:52 AM, Sina Momken wrote: On 07/25/2013 04:29 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Sina Sina Momken schrieb: Let me show you what exact Outline Numbering I want using the example below: LevelExample(desired output)Associated Paragraph Style 1 Chapter 3:Chapter 2 3.2-Heading 1 3 3.2.5-Heading 2 43.2.5.9-Heading 3 5 (b)none 6 Fig (3.12)Fig Caption 7 (3.27)Formula 8Table (3.20)Table Caption As you can see in the example above the '3' in Fig (3.12), (3.27) and Table (3.20) is the chapter number at level 1. [..] How can I achieve my desired output I mentioned in first example using LO Writer? You do the outline numbering with Chapter, Heading 1 , ... with normal outline numbering. You need to define a paragraph style Chapter and alter the assignment between paragraph style and level in the outline numbering dialog. LibreOffice uses the field Number range for numbering in captions. Therefore these are not at all in the outline numbering. But when you insert a caption to a table or figure, you will see a Options-buttons. There you can tell LibreOffice to count newly for each chapter. The caption item in the context menu is only a shortened way to set a caption. You can also write your own caption inserting the field Number range manually. That will be the right way for numbering formulas. The Autotext FN puts the formula and the formula-numbering in a table. I would not use it, because it is not easily possible to move paragraphs, when the movement crosses a table. I would position the formula number using a tab. For display formulas in own paragraphs you can define a suitable paragraph style. The captions are normal paragraphs, so you can add the needed brackets manually as you need them. Each Number range will generate its own index later on. The numbers of the outline can be inserted using fields. Do not try to mimic the way things are done in Word, the concepts are different. But you can be sure, that you can write well formatted academic papers in LibreOffice. Kind regards Regina Using LibreOffice internal captions or Number range has some problems that MUST be solved to be used: 1. Cross-Reference in the text body: Assume you has inserted a new Number range named Fig either using Caption or inserting manually. Regardless of the need to manually correct brackets and the whole format, when you want to insert the Fig number in your text using Cross-reference, there is NO way to insert the whole Fig number while preserving its format. For example if you has entered the text Fig (2.1) something under a picture, there is no way to automatically insert Fig (2.1) in your text using Cross-reference. I first must admit that I didn't read this whole thread and I'm not sure what you actually need, but think you can insert text Fig (2.1) in a cross reference. I hope I understood you well and I really wont to help you: First you should insert your picture and set anchoring as Regina said. Then insert text Fig. after that go Insert - Cross-reference, choose Variable tab and there (in format box) select Text, enter e.g (2.1) and then write rest of the caption text. Now select only Fig. (2.1) or what ever you need and go to Cross-reference tab, choose Set reference, enter it's name in Name box, and choose Insert. Place your cursor in desire position and then in Cross-reference tab choose insert reference, select reference, and in a white box left to the Name select Reference, hit Insert. I hope that's what you wont to do. You still have to manually insert Variables and set cross-reference, but you sort the brackets problem. Kruno And, you can always define a custom style for that Fig (2.1) variable text and then go Insert - Indexes and tables - Indexes and tables - Additional styles, choose three dots right to label and define that style to level you need... Not sure does thins helps you, but hey... :) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1 upgrade from 4.0.4 - now does not find Java
On 2013-07-26 8:18 AM, Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 08:03:43 -0400, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2013-07-26 7:54 AM, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: Tom Davies wrote: My guess is that the default is 64bit or else other apps might need the 64bit version. It's generally not a good idea to have more than 1 version of Java although even 1 might well be more than you need now. The big question is why are the Windows version of LibreOffice and OpenOffice still 32 bit only. They've both been available in 64 bit versions on Linux for years. Because there is basically no good reason to use a 64bit version of an Office application - unless you really need to work with a spreadsheet or text document that approaches 4GB in size (shudder)... Even Microsoft recommends installing the 32bit version of Office on 64bit machines. The 4GB limit causes problems with databases moreso than a text document or spreadsheet. Personally I can't see using LibO for managing/working with databases that big... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] QA Call Time
Hi All, Mas has brought up changing the time or day or both of our QA call so I was hoping everyone who regularly participates will comment so we get an idea of where people stand. Ideally of course our goal is to get as many people involved who can contribute to our multitude of projects but, time zones makes it impossible to accommodate everyone and I don't think teams are big enough to do more than 1 call at this point. The suggestion was moving it an hour later on Friday or on another day. So for me - and please don't be swayed because of my schedule ;) An hour later on any day becomes very difficult for me but even the current time might not work once I start school on 2013/08/12. The current time is 6am for me and looking at my schedule Friday *should* work barring problems at that time but there is no guarantee. As I start school I'll be evaluating what is possible in terms of volunteer time but I hope to stay equally involved or close to the current level going forward. So my vote or 2 cents - keep current time and day as it's really the only time that *should* work for me at least for this semester. That being said - if others disagree feel free to change the day/time and if I can't attend then oh well - Robinson's great minutes will keep me in the loop and I'll still be able to contribute through IRC and ML. Thanks all! Warm Regards, Joel P.S. Another option is to have a US call later in the day maybe once a month to go over the normal call and get more people in our timezones involved with projects - if this is a possibility then I can give everyone my school schedule and hopefully with only a +/-3 hour we can find some time that works. I know right now it's Mas, Robinson and myself in the US timezones - everyone else is European I believe. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Help with two issue I am finding in LO
Hi Kracked_P_P Thanks for your input, you reminded me of the memory setting in LO, something I have not touched/adjusted in many a release. I'll try that for the image quantity, but unfortunately the anchor feature is not what I or other users want. It's still a tedious process to place images and other items. I think I need to place some screenshots on Nabble to explain what I am on about, to improve workflow better than it is. I hear you about the use of MSO, but as I said ad nauseum, sorry, to get others to migrate, we must have similiar features, not necessarily copycat, but a way for users to mimic what they do in MSO. Sorry to hear about your health, but good to hear, and I tip my hat to you sir, in that you can still offer input to many in your environ and local community. At me now 54 years of age, it has always been my pholosophy, first to pass it forward, as we are finite in how long we can pass on / give knowledge we've learned. And one must always learn something, we even learn something on our deathbed, that is our faith and belief system whatever it is, and the afterlife. Only thing is that is the last input of knowledge we can never return to pass on. As to the above of passing forward, it's one of the reasons I work with and promote opensource and adopt the GPL and LGPL to many things in my life. In this I overall hate and despise the claims to patent and copyright on the whole. It has it's place but today is being abused by greedy thieves and con artists representing themselves as corporates and executives etc. My personal opinion is that we have lost our ability to accept that we are only the sum of our forefathers, with us adding to the knowledge base of mankind, applicable with today's technologies. This starts with our parents and then teachers to pass on what they have learnt from their parents and teachers before them. So those who think they have a claim to an invention or an idea, is it really. As through an observance, their education and environment, does it help them to improve on the knowledge they have gained to date. So I have to question are there really true inventors out there. Sorry for the philosophy. Going off topic. Regards Andrew Brown On 26/07/2013 12:16 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: I want to jump in here and ask - have you changed the memory settings to handle the many images? If you do not have enough memory for the number of images you are using for the document, then you may have some of the image issues you talked about. Tools / Options / LibreOffice / Memory The Graphics cache listings should be increased - all of them. The Number of objects should also be increased Reduce the Undo - Number of steps figure to 20 or 30. Are you having problems with images moving from the place you put them on the document? Then you need to anchor the image to the page, instead of the default of paragraph. I find that if I want to make a page that is mostly images, this is the only way to keep them in place. I use to be a heavy MSO user, but I ended with MSO 2003. After that I went to OOo and then LO when it first came out. I learned about OOo when it was mentioned in an Author's Note in the back of a book I was reading. The author needed macros and other things to help him with writing his 4+ books a year. He did not like MSO's options and features for what he needed. He now uses LO on his Linux system. He uses a Windows system for the Internet, since he could not get his Linux computers to use the dial-up modem properly. He lives on a tree farm, as he calls it, and cannot get broadband service. For me, I am no longer using as much of an office suite as I use to. Mostly Writer and a little Calc these days. I had to slow down after several debilitating injuries and 3 small strokes, or my doctors would make sure my meds would slow me down. But, even in my forced retirement I still do some work for not-for-profit organizations and friends and family. I also do as much as I can to get locals to see that there is an alternative to the MS and MSO option. Soon, I will be passing out a number of 4.0.5 DVDs to the locals. Have to get some to the local and State government officials that I have had contact with recently but did not have any DVDs or brochures with me. On 07/26/2013 04:52 AM, Andrew Brown wrote: Hi Tom I see for you it works, but the method I am talking about has always been my mentioned process in ALL other version of word processors. As you indicate, you like it this way, and probably have many years of experience in word processing, and have adapted and adopted the way it works for you. I have found newbies, and those not computer literate, but are able to operate an app quite proficiently, don't like it at all, especially when trying to migrate them from MSO ot other Office suites. My wife who is a very proficient MSO user, does not like using LO Writer as
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1 upgrade from 4.0.4 - now does not find Java
Hi Tanstaafl Agreed for the current case of LO, but I have also found other issues with now emerging 64 bit apps that rely on 64bit Java, hence my suggestion. It was just to alleviate other issues going forward, even to the release we see of a 64bit LO one day. Regards Andrew Brown On 26/07/2013 12:33 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-07-26 3:15 AM, Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za wrote: So with that bit of tech-ed above out of the way, what this means is it looks like you have only installed the 64bit version of JRE (Java Runtime Edition). LO Base cannot see or use it, hence it showing up in the settings but Base not able to use it. My advice is install both the 32bit version and 64 bit version of JRE 1.7.0_27, problem solved. LO will sort out which version to use as each app is run. Why install a 64 bit version of Java if you don't need it? Just install the 32 bit version... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1 upgrade from 4.0.4 - now does not find Java
I think the Java dev's are aware of this with systems needing two version of bitness in their add-ons or apps, hence the separate installations into two separate folders, as I explained earlier two Program Files (64bit default app store) and Program files (x86) (32bit default app store). Plus there are separate entries in the Windows registry for Java. To date I have never experienced any issues of Jave 32bit and 64bit side by side on my systems. As an example, how many know that MS IE has two versions of bitness installed since Vista and Windows 7 and 8, and were the first Internet browser programmers to do this, or for that matter Windows Media Player 12. So I simply offer advice going forward as our O/S world is changing. Even the 64bit distros (the first O/S to offer 64bit even before Windows XP 64bit and Windows Vista) of Linux are seamlessly working with 32bit and 64bit apps, and the general populous of Linux users are not aware of what bitness an app is, as long as it works. The world does not even remember our transition from 8bit to 16bit in our hardware and software, and it's happening the same now. Regards Andrew Brown On 26/07/2013 12:51 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) My guess is that the default is 64bit or else other apps might need the 64bit version. It's generally not a good idea to have more than 1 version of Java although even 1 might well be more than you need now. Accessibility and Base (using the internal back-end) still need it. Fewer and fewer wizards and extensions need it. Regards from Tom :) From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 11:33 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1 upgrade from 4.0.4 - now does not find Java On 2013-07-26 3:15 AM, Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za wrote: So with that bit of tech-ed above out of the way, what this means is it looks like you have only installed the 64bit version of JRE (Java Runtime Edition). LO Base cannot see or use it, hence it showing up in the settings but Base not able to use it. My advice is install both the 32bit version and 64 bit version of JRE 1.7.0_27, problem solved. LO will sort out which version to use as each app is run. Why install a 64 bit version of Java if you don't need it? Just install the 32 bit version... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Help with two issue I am finding in LO
Heh! Heh! Thanks Tanstaafl. You are correct, it works, a good work around indeed. As I thought with my posting here, a fresh set of eyes on something and with a different view, and one is given good advice. But as you said it should ;-) Regards Andrew Brown On 26/07/2013 12:36 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-07-26 3:44 AM, Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za wrote: When one right clicks on a cell and copies it, the pasting also collects the cell format (it's borders and layout) along with the text/data, If you DOUBLE-click the cell, and then highlight the contents, it does NOT bring the formatting with it... I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to right-click-copy from the input box, I think you should, but this is a workaround... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1 upgrade from 4.0.4 - now does not find Java
Hi James Umm!!! factually no, LO is still 32bit on Linux, it just works as seamlessly as I explained in my previous email / post, on a Linux 64bit system, as it does on a Windows 64bit system. I code in my spare time, and I can tell you to change from 32bits of coding to 64bits of coding is a monumental uphill learning curve. In the simplest terms imagine managing 32 horses of a high spirit, and you just get it right, now add another like 32, and you can see just the tip of the iceberg what is involved in offering apps in 64bit mode. Regards Andrew Brown On 26/07/2013 01:54 PM, James Knott wrote: Tom Davies wrote: My guess is that the default is 64bit or else other apps might need the 64bit version. It's generally not a good idea to have more than 1 version of Java although even 1 might well be more than you need now. The big question is why are the Windows version of LibreOffice and OpenOffice still 32 bit only. They've both been available in 64 bit versions on Linux for years. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1 upgrade from 4.0.4 - now does not find Java
Andrew Brown wrote: Umm!!! factually no, LO is still 32bit on Linux Then why is there an x86_64 version, when the 32 bit version should also work well? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: QA Call Time
On 07/26/2013 10:24 AM, Robinson Tryon wrote: On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: P.S. Another option is to have a US call later in the day maybe once a month to go over the normal call and get more people in our timezones involved with projects - if this is a possibility then I can give everyone my school schedule and hopefully with only a +/-3 hour we can find some time that works. I know right now it's Mas, Robinson and myself in the US timezones - everyone else is European I believe. +1 Personally, I think the NA area needs to be tapped for more talent... both for QA, and in other areas. A monthly US call sounds like a good place to start. What do people think about first Friday of the month? (August 2nd is 1 week from now) --R If we can get at least 4-6 people involved I'm +1 on that - I prefer a little later than our current regular call if possible (6am sucks). Here is my schedule starting August 12th: http://www.law.uci.edu/orientation/first-year-schedule.html Keep in mind that I actually start ~2 hours before the earliest class because of the train so early is a no go - Fridays between noon - 5pm PST seem like a good starting point for me but open to other times/days that fit into that schedule. Now the question is - how do we reach out to the NA community and say we need to balance out our teams! - a couple people from the triage contest were from the US - wonder if they'd be interested. Best, Joel -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1 upgrade from 4.0.4 - now does not find Java
This is a structure from the devs in a file naming convention, indicating its a 32bit app (x86_), that can be installed on a 64bit operating system (_64), not necessarily a 64bit app. And in the case of LO, it's definitely not yet a 64bit app. They still have to code 32bit apps to be functional on 64bit O/S's, unlike a naitve 32bit app for a 32bit O/S. Hope this explains it better. Regards Andrew Brown On 26/07/2013 06:56 PM, James Knott wrote: Andrew Brown wrote: Umm!!! factually no, LO is still 32bit on Linux Then why is there an x86_64 version, when the 32 bit version should also work well? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: QA Call Time
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: P.S. Another option is to have a US call later in the day maybe once a month to go over the normal call and get more people in our timezones involved with projects - if this is a possibility then I can give everyone my school schedule and hopefully with only a +/-3 hour we can find some time that works. I know right now it's Mas, Robinson and myself in the US timezones - everyone else is European I believe. +1 Personally, I think the NA area needs to be tapped for more talent... both for QA, and in other areas. A monthly US call sounds like a good place to start. What do people think about first Friday of the month? (August 2nd is 1 week from now) --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1 upgrade from 4.0.4 - now does not find Java
Agreed, just look at what happens to Outlook, or Thunderbird when the email store starts approaching 4GB on a 32bit system. This was an ongoing support issue in my days of corporate IT support, in trying to get users to purge their old emails and garbage and backup that which they wanted and create a new store. The human race (those that have access to IT technology) has become hoarders of digital garbage in the most part of instances. Regards Andrew Brown On 26/07/2013 03:39 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-07-26 8:18 AM, Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 08:03:43 -0400, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2013-07-26 7:54 AM, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: Tom Davies wrote: My guess is that the default is 64bit or else other apps might need the 64bit version. It's generally not a good idea to have more than 1 version of Java although even 1 might well be more than you need now. The big question is why are the Windows version of LibreOffice and OpenOffice still 32 bit only. They've both been available in 64 bit versions on Linux for years. Because there is basically no good reason to use a 64bit version of an Office application - unless you really need to work with a spreadsheet or text document that approaches 4GB in size (shudder)... Even Microsoft recommends installing the 32bit version of Office on 64bit machines. The 4GB limit causes problems with databases moreso than a text document or spreadsheet. Personally I can't see using LibO for managing/working with databases that big... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1 upgrade from 4.0.4 - now does not find Java
Not really: /opt/libreoffice4.0/program/soffice.bin: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, not stripped HTH. MR On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za wrote: This is a structure from the devs in a file naming convention, indicating its a 32bit app (x86_), that can be installed on a 64bit operating system (_64), not necessarily a 64bit app. And in the case of LO, it's definitely not yet a 64bit app. They still have to code 32bit apps to be functional on 64bit O/S's, unlike a naitve 32bit app for a 32bit O/S. Hope this explains it better. Regards Andrew Brown On 26/07/2013 06:56 PM, James Knott wrote: Andrew Brown wrote: Umm!!! factually no, LO is still 32bit on Linux Then why is there an x86_64 version, when the 32 bit version should also work well? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1 upgrade from 4.0.4 - now does not find Java
Ah!, but we have to have everything digital wroking in 64bit before the year 2036 and 2038. As we of us that went through and were involved in the raw IT support of the Y2K issue will know, which is a pimple on the back of a blue whale, compared to the coming ultimate Y2K. From 2036 onwards (non-Unix/Linux will be affected from 2036 and Unix/Linux from 2038), this is a finite and and absolute wall dominated by the laws of the universe in science and math, and cannot be fixed at all, unlike the original Y2K date issue. Bottom line is ALL IT type of hardware and software, down to calculators, mobile phones, tablets PC, aircraft computer, whatever we use a computer to control and mange, has to be changed to 64bit in it's entirety. So LO and other like Office suites all will have to move to 64bit. We live in a universe bigger than man's current state, and we expose it incredibly in the digital world of ours today. To help those understand what's coming and not letting me fill up an email, here are some links of good reading explaining this. There is plenty more about this out there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem http://www.y2038.com/ Regards Andrew Brown On 26/07/2013 03:39 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-07-26 8:18 AM, Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 08:03:43 -0400, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2013-07-26 7:54 AM, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: Tom Davies wrote: My guess is that the default is 64bit or else other apps might need the 64bit version. It's generally not a good idea to have more than 1 version of Java although even 1 might well be more than you need now. The big question is why are the Windows version of LibreOffice and OpenOffice still 32 bit only. They've both been available in 64 bit versions on Linux for years. Because there is basically no good reason to use a 64bit version of an Office application - unless you really need to work with a spreadsheet or text document that approaches 4GB in size (shudder)... Even Microsoft recommends installing the 32bit version of Office on 64bit machines. The 4GB limit causes problems with databases moreso than a text document or spreadsheet. Personally I can't see using LibO for managing/working with databases that big... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: QA Call Time
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: Now the question is - how do we reach out to the NA community and say we need to balance out our teams! - a couple people from the triage contest were from the US - wonder if they'd be interested. We could go with the tried and true the British are coming!... :-) I think pinging the users list would be a good start. In terms of general NA involvement, it's partially just a question of good recruitment. Finding users that have the time and ability to make some good contributions. A part of that, as you (Joel) have pointed out, is convincing people that they don't need a ton of experience to hop in and get started! --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1 upgrade from 4.0.4 - now does not find Java
Fine, but that only explains the executable as a 64bit under Linux Standard Base (LSB part in the given reference for those wishing to understand, meaning a standard function through all 'nixes). It's still not the entire LO code base that is 64bit. Regards Andrew Brown On 26/07/2013 07:54 PM, MR ZenWiz wrote: Not really: /opt/libreoffice4.0/program/soffice.bin: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, not stripped HTH. MR On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za wrote: This is a structure from the devs in a file naming convention, indicating its a 32bit app (x86_), that can be installed on a 64bit operating system (_64), not necessarily a 64bit app. And in the case of LO, it's definitely not yet a 64bit app. They still have to code 32bit apps to be functional on 64bit O/S's, unlike a naitve 32bit app for a 32bit O/S. Hope this explains it better. Regards Andrew Brown On 26/07/2013 06:56 PM, James Knott wrote: Andrew Brown wrote: Umm!!! factually no, LO is still 32bit on Linux Then why is there an x86_64 version, when the 32 bit version should also work well? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] NEW: North American QA Chat - You're Invited!
Hi All, *NEW: Monthly North American Quality Assurance+ Casual Meet, Greet Get Involved Meeting* Let me start by saying thanks to all of you who are on the user list and try to help each other out, I know the community is strong and growing. As our user base grows, so does the demands on contributors time for getting a whole list of cool projects done - from beginner projects like wiki organization/cleanup to advanced projects such as updating BSA to meet new and ever growing needs. We're looking to tap into more of the talent here in North America - currently LibreOffice is a global project but most contributors are from outside of the North American continent. We're convinced that there is a great deal of talent here that could contribute to making LibreOffice a better software suite for everyone. In order to do this we are setting up a monthly meet, greet and update casual chat for North Americans who want to get involved with Quality Assurance -- or really any part of the project. This get together will be quite a bit less formal than our biweekly talks but will provide updates, allow for feedback open the doors to a ton of opportunities for you to get involved in the project - everyone from beginners to those experienced in programming and the like are encouraged to join. If you are interested please email myself (Joel), the QA mailing list or the User mailing list so that we can gauge interest - we're hoping to have our first meeting next Friday (August 2nd) if we can get at least a few people to show that they want to participate. _*Mentors will be available to help all new contributors.*_ If you're thinking at all about how you can help the project - please join and be a part of the future of LibreOffice both here in North America worldwide. Also we encourage you to jump into our chat anytime to say hello and introduce yourself @ http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=libreoffice-qa Warm Regards, Joel -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Attempting to open any Microsoft XML document causes General I/O error after upgrade to 4.1
FWIW: I do not know the correlation of versions between LO and AOO, but today I got the following two security reports from the AOO users forum: --- CVE-2013-2189 OpenOffice DOC Memory Corruption Vulnerability Severity: Important Vendor: The Apache Software Foundation Versions Affected: Apache OpenOffice 3.4.0 to 3.4.1 on all platforms. Predecessor versions of OpenOffice.org may be also affected. Description: The vulnerability is caused by operating on invalid PLCF (Plex of Character Positions in File) data when parsing a malformed DOC document file. Specially crafted documents can be used for denial-of-service attacks. Further exploits are possible but have not been verified. Mitigation: Apache OpenOffice 3.4 users are advised to upgrade to Apache OpenOffice 4.0. Users who are unable to upgrade immediately should be cautious when opening untrusted documents. Credits: The Apache OpenOffice Security Team credits Jeremy Brown of Microsoft Vulnerability Research as the discoverer of this flaw. Herbert Dürr Member of the Apache OpenOffice Security Team --- CVE-2013-4156 OpenOffice DOCM Memory Corruption Vulnerability Severity: Important Vendor: The Apache Software Foundation Versions Affected: Apache OpenOffice 3.4.0 and 3.4.1, on all platforms. Predecessor versions of OpenOffice.org may be also affected. Description: The vulnerability is caused by mishandling of unknown XML elements when parsing a OOXML document file. Specially crafted documents can be used for memory-corruption attacks. Further exploits are possible but have not been verified. Mitigation Apache OpenOffice 3.4.0 and 3.4.1 users are advised to upgrade to Apache OpenOffice 4.0. Users who are unable to upgrade immediately should be cautious when opening untrusted documents. Credits The Apache OpenOffice Security Team credits Jeremy Brown of Microsoft Vulnerability Research as the discoverer of this flaw. Herbert Dürr Member of the Apache OpenOffice Security Team -- Could this be related, in that now LO 4.1 rejects such files where LO 4.0 did not? Just a messenger. Girvin Herr Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I sometimes get that from files on the network but when i copy them to local desktop machine they work fine. I've not really been tracking which versions it happens with. There seems to be something about the memory settings as higher spec machines with memory settings radically bumped right up seem to suffer this a lot less. They still get it occasionally tho. I thought it was my inexperience with networking or something Regard from Tom :) From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 11:33 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Attempting to open any Microsoft XML document causes General I/O error after upgrade to 4.1 Just wanted to check here before I go open a bug... I just upgraded to 4.1, everything seemed fine, but I encountered a .docx document this morning, and got the dreaded 'General I/O' error. I then tried a bunch of different XML documents (.docx, .xslx, and .pptx), and every one resulted in the same error. These are all docs that opened fine in 4.0.4 Will go back to 4.0.4 and confirm it resolves the problem... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1 upgrade from 4.0.4 - now does not find Java
Technically, the x86 indicates the architecture, the 64 indicates the instruction set width. So x86_64 is a 64 bit chip, and the x86_32 is a 32 bit chip. Obviously, when apps (like LO) are marked as x86_64, they mean that it is intended for a 64 bit OS running on a 64 bit chip, as opposed to a 32 bit OS running on a 32 bit (if any still exist that are modern enough to be supported) or 64 bit chip. It does (should) not indicate a 32 bit app capable of running on a 64 bit OS, simple an app (32 or 64 bit) capable of running on a 64 bit OS. It would, infact, _suggest_ a 64 bit app, or at least that *something* had been done to differentiate it from the 32 bit version, otherwise why the distinction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86 Just, you know, FYI er... sorry... to bother anyone... :) Paul On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 19:46:16 +0200 Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za wrote: This is a structure from the devs in a file naming convention, indicating its a 32bit app (x86_), that can be installed on a 64bit operating system (_64), not necessarily a 64bit app. And in the case of LO, it's definitely not yet a 64bit app. They still have to code 32bit apps to be functional on 64bit O/S's, unlike a naitve 32bit app for a 32bit O/S. Hope this explains it better. Regards Andrew Brown On 26/07/2013 06:56 PM, James Knott wrote: Andrew Brown wrote: Umm!!! factually no, LO is still 32bit on Linux Then why is there an x86_64 version, when the 32 bit version should also work well? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Attempting to open any Microsoft XML document causes General I/O error after upgrade to 4.1
Hi :) I am not 100% sure but LO has quietly dealt with a couple of potential threats of that nature quite a long time ago. The 3.4.0 and i think another in that same line were both quietly being pushed due to some known issue in the 3.3.x line. Most of us just ignored it and carried on using the supposedly problematic versions and had no problems though. Also i know that some of the code and patches have been quietly shared between the projects even when Oracle were being all stuffy about it so i really don't know if they are fixing something that LO already fixed ages ago or if this is something new. The 2 projects are very divergent now. Only around 12% of the code hasn't been touched at all. Although, as Umas said some of the changes may have been just removal or rewrites of commented-out lines. Regards from Tom :) From: Girvin R. Herr girvin.h...@sbcglobal.net To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 21:57 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Attempting to open any Microsoft XML document causes General I/O error after upgrade to 4.1 FWIW: I do not know the correlation of versions between LO and AOO, but today I got the following two security reports from the AOO users forum: --- CVE-2013-2189 OpenOffice DOC Memory Corruption Vulnerability Severity: Important Vendor: The Apache Software Foundation Versions Affected: Apache OpenOffice 3.4.0 to 3.4.1 on all platforms. Predecessor versions of OpenOffice.org may be also affected. Description: The vulnerability is caused by operating on invalid PLCF (Plex of Character Positions in File) data when parsing a malformed DOC document file. Specially crafted documents can be used for denial-of-service attacks. Further exploits are possible but have not been verified. Mitigation: Apache OpenOffice 3.4 users are advised to upgrade to Apache OpenOffice 4.0. Users who are unable to upgrade immediately should be cautious when opening untrusted documents. Credits: The Apache OpenOffice Security Team credits Jeremy Brown of Microsoft Vulnerability Research as the discoverer of this flaw. Herbert Dürr Member of the Apache OpenOffice Security Team --- CVE-2013-4156 OpenOffice DOCM Memory Corruption Vulnerability Severity: Important Vendor: The Apache Software Foundation Versions Affected: Apache OpenOffice 3.4.0 and 3.4.1, on all platforms. Predecessor versions of OpenOffice.org may be also affected. Description: The vulnerability is caused by mishandling of unknown XML elements when parsing a OOXML document file. Specially crafted documents can be used for memory-corruption attacks. Further exploits are possible but have not been verified. Mitigation Apache OpenOffice 3.4.0 and 3.4.1 users are advised to upgrade to Apache OpenOffice 4.0. Users who are unable to upgrade immediately should be cautious when opening untrusted documents. Credits The Apache OpenOffice Security Team credits Jeremy Brown of Microsoft Vulnerability Research as the discoverer of this flaw. Herbert Dürr Member of the Apache OpenOffice Security Team -- Could this be related, in that now LO 4.1 rejects such files where LO 4.0 did not? Just a messenger. Girvin Herr Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I sometimes get that from files on the network but when i copy them to local desktop machine they work fine. I've not really been tracking which versions it happens with. There seems to be something about the memory settings as higher spec machines with memory settings radically bumped right up seem to suffer this a lot less. They still get it occasionally tho. I thought it was my inexperience with networking or something Regard from Tom :) From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 11:33 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Attempting to open any Microsoft XML document causes General I/O error after upgrade to 4.1 Just wanted to check here before I go open a bug... I just upgraded to 4.1, everything seemed fine, but I encountered a .docx document this morning, and got the dreaded 'General I/O' error. I then tried a bunch of different XML documents (.docx, .xslx, and .pptx), and every one resulted in the same error. These are all docs that opened fine in 4.0.4 Will go back to 4.0.4 and confirm it resolves the problem... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive:
Re: [libreoffice-users] Attempting to open any Microsoft XML document causes General I/O error after upgrade to 4.1
Hi, Girvin R. Herr wrote (26-07-13 22:57) FWIW: I do not know the correlation of versions between LO and AOO, but today I got the following two security reports from the AOO users forum: FYI: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/msg09642.html Cheers, Cor -- - Cor Nouws - http://nl.libreoffice.org - The Document Foundation Membership Committee Member -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Attempting to open any Microsoft XML document causes General I/O error after upgrade to 4.1
Girvin R. Herr wrote: --- CVE-2013-2189 and --- CVE-2013-4156 Both are fixed in all current LibreOffice versions. Up-to-date information about security fixes / advisories is always available from: http://www.libreoffice.org/advisories/ Cheers, -- Thorsten -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1 upgrade from 4.0.4 - now does not find Java
Good point. :-) However, if I run find on the LO program directory, filter all the files through 'file' and grep out everything with 64 in it, all that remains is ASCII, shell scripts, data files and a few PE32 (and PE32+) python executables that happen to be Windows .exe files that don't run on Linux. I have not seen any of the problems mentioned in this thread, but I have not upgraded to 4.1 yet (waiting for 4.1.1). YMMV. MR On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za wrote: Fine, but that only explains the executable as a 64bit under Linux Standard Base (LSB part in the given reference for those wishing to understand, meaning a standard function through all 'nixes). It's still not the entire LO code base that is 64bit. Regards Andrew Brown On 26/07/2013 07:54 PM, MR ZenWiz wrote: Not really: /opt/libreoffice4.0/program/soffice.bin: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, not stripped HTH. MR On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za wrote: This is a structure from the devs in a file naming convention, indicating its a 32bit app (x86_), that can be installed on a 64bit operating system (_64), not necessarily a 64bit app. And in the case of LO, it's definitely not yet a 64bit app. They still have to code 32bit apps to be functional on 64bit O/S's, unlike a naitve 32bit app for a 32bit O/S. Hope this explains it better. Regards Andrew Brown On 26/07/2013 06:56 PM, James Knott wrote: Andrew Brown wrote: Umm!!! factually no, LO is still 32bit on Linux Then why is there an x86_64 version, when the 32 bit version should also work well? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: QA Call Time
On Jul 26, 2013 2:01 PM, Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: Now the question is - how do we reach out to the NA community and say we need to balance out our teams! - a couple people from the triage contest were from the US - wonder if they'd be interested. We could go with the tried and true the British are coming!... :-) I think pinging the users list would be a good start. In terms of general NA involvement, it's partially just a question of good recruitment. Finding users that have the time and ability to make some good contributions. A part of that, as you (Joel) have pointed out, is convincing people that they don't need a ton of experience to hop in and get started! --R Thanks everyone for opening up a dialogue about changing the time some. I am open for anytime after 10am. My personal work schedule Friday by 9 is kind of rough at the moment. So if the day has to be Friday. Can we move the time later in the day so we can have Joel involved with the call. He has been a huge voice for the QA team. I would not want to take him away from this project. I am willing to work along his schedule. Between noon and 5pm eat will work perfectly for me.. Mas -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1 upgrade from 4.0.4 - now does not find Java
Not quite. this is a finite and and absolute wall dominated by the laws of the universe in science and math, and cannot be fixed at all, unlike the original Y2K date issue Well... not really. See, the original issue was that years were only stored as two digits, instead of the complete four. Those two digits were added to 1900 to get the year. So after 1999, the two digits didn't hold enough information to continue counting, and wrapped around. With this it's the same thing. A 32 bit number is used to hold a number of seconds, and this number is added to a base epoch (00:00:00 UTC on Thursday, 1 January 1970). After 03:14:07 UTC on Tuesday, 19 January 2038, a 32 bit number won't be able to hold enough information to continue counting. Bottom line is ALL IT type of hardware and software, down to calculators... Well, practically, probably about right. Theoretically some systems either won't care about the date (like, well, calculators), or will use alternate methods of storing a date (many software systems use a date string, such as the ISO 8601 standard). But yes, lots of stuff *will* be affected. has to be changed to 64bit in it's entirety Again, in practice, probably right. This is not the only solution, there are others, such as date strings (which could be a solution for many software systems), but for most systems (and especially hardware systems) the only really practical solution is moving to 64-bit. Sorry to bother, I'm sure you all already knew this, and Andrew was just simplifying. Paul On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 19:57:23 +0200 Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za wrote: Ah!, but we have to have everything digital wroking in 64bit before the year 2036 and 2038. As we of us that went through and were involved in the raw IT support of the Y2K issue will know, which is a pimple on the back of a blue whale, compared to the coming ultimate Y2K. From 2036 onwards (non-Unix/Linux will be affected from 2036 and Unix/Linux from 2038), this is a finite and and absolute wall dominated by the laws of the universe in science and math, and cannot be fixed at all, unlike the original Y2K date issue. Bottom line is ALL IT type of hardware and software, down to calculators, mobile phones, tablets PC, aircraft computer, whatever we use a computer to control and mange, has to be changed to 64bit in it's entirety. So LO and other like Office suites all will have to move to 64bit. We live in a universe bigger than man's current state, and we expose it incredibly in the digital world of ours today. To help those understand what's coming and not letting me fill up an email, here are some links of good reading explaining this. There is plenty more about this out there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem http://www.y2038.com/ Regards Andrew Brown On 26/07/2013 03:39 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-07-26 8:18 AM, Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 08:03:43 -0400, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2013-07-26 7:54 AM, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: Tom Davies wrote: My guess is that the default is 64bit or else other apps might need the 64bit version. It's generally not a good idea to have more than 1 version of Java although even 1 might well be more than you need now. The big question is why are the Windows version of LibreOffice and OpenOffice still 32 bit only. They've both been available in 64 bit versions on Linux for years. Because there is basically no good reason to use a 64bit version of an Office application - unless you really need to work with a spreadsheet or text document that approaches 4GB in size (shudder)... Even Microsoft recommends installing the 32bit version of Office on 64bit machines. The 4GB limit causes problems with databases moreso than a text document or spreadsheet. Personally I can't see using LibO for managing/working with databases that big... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1 upgrade from 4.0.4 - now does not find Java
Paul wrote: Technically, the x86 indicates the architecture, the 64 indicates the instruction set width. So x86_64 is a 64 bit chip, and the x86_32 is a 32 bit chip. I thought 32 bit CPUs were referred to as i586.. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
