Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed
Ubuntu install is the same, if using the default install options it creates the swap partition (at least equal to installed RAM amount), and then then one partition for all. I change this and like many here, create the root / (100MB), and the balance of the drive capacity to /home, keeping my data separate. Regards Andrew Brown On 07/08/2013 07:53 AM, Doug wrote: On 08/07/2013 01:05 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) If you have your /home on a separate partition then it might be possible to install the 64bit version of Ubuntu without disturbing your 32 it version. I tend to use a 10-15Gb partition for / for Ubuntu. It doesn't really need all that much space but Ubuntu is about the most bloated distro at the moment. Having plenty of space makes it easier when installing programs. Regards from Tom :) I did that on PCLOS. It works well, altho a few apps that are strictly 32-bit will not run on the 64-bit installation.I lost Adobe Reader on the 64-bit os, because there is no 64-bit version of that s/w. I had to go find a 64-bit version of one or two other programs. But basically, it's a lot simpler than having to back up all your files to an external storage medium and then having to copy everything back to a completely new install. You will have to make a new blank partition on the drive, using gparted or something similar, and format it to ext4 and call it / Then when you install the 64-bit version, DO NOT format /home, only / (Your distro may or may not make it mandatory to reformat / during the install, even tho you formatted it already.) Be careful when you install the 64-bit os, so as to NOT make a new /home. Note that you probably already have a swap partition, so don't make another one. Any and all Linux os's on the disk can use the one swap. It has been quite a while since I did an Ubuntu install, so I can't be more specific. And I don't think I would try this with Korora-- its installation would drive a saint crazy! (Just to get it onto two partitions is maddening!) Good luck--doug -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request: MATH - Include Greek letters and other symbols
On Tue, 6 Aug 2013 13:26:43 -0700 (PDT) RamonTavarez ramontava...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. It would be a good enhacement include into MATH's docking window a section for greek letters and other mathematicals symbols. Just to simplify the edition's time on academics jobs. Regards. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-request-MATH-Include-Greek-letters-and-other-symbols-tp4069117.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. +1 Tomk -- A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others. Ayn Rand ^^ --... ...-- / -.- --. --... -.-. ..-. -.-. Tom Taylor - retired penguin - KG7CFC AMD Phenom II x4 955 -- 4GB RAM -- 2x1.5TB sata2 openSUSE 12.3-x86_64 KDE 4.10.00, FF 19.0, claws-mail 3.9.1 registered linux user 263467 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed
Hi :) I tend to make / around 10-15Gb now for Ubuntu. 100Mb is about enough for a separate /boot partiiton but not enough for the / of most distros, especially not for the most bloated distro of all. I've found that even 8Gb gets in trouble quite quickly unless you are quite good at doing maintenance such as using the Janitor fairly often. You don't get much of a performance boost by having a separate /home unless that /home is on a physically separate drive but it does make he system more robust and safer to upgrade. Regards from Tom :) From: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013, 8:19 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed Ubuntu install is the same, if using the default install options it creates the swap partition (at least equal to installed RAM amount), and then then one partition for all. I change this and like many here, create the root / (100MB), and the balance of the drive capacity to /home, keeping my data separate. Regards Andrew Brown On 07/08/2013 07:53 AM, Doug wrote: On 08/07/2013 01:05 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) If you have your /home on a separate partition then it might be possible to install the 64bit version of Ubuntu without disturbing your 32 it version. I tend to use a 10-15Gb partition for / for Ubuntu. It doesn't really need all that much space but Ubuntu is about the most bloated distro at the moment. Having plenty of space makes it easier when installing programs. Regards from Tom :) I did that on PCLOS. It works well, altho a few apps that are strictly 32-bit will not run on the 64-bit installation.I lost Adobe Reader on the 64-bit os, because there is no 64-bit version of that s/w. I had to go find a 64-bit version of one or two other programs. But basically, it's a lot simpler than having to back up all your files to an external storage medium and then having to copy everything back to a completely new install. You will have to make a new blank partition on the drive, using gparted or something similar, and format it to ext4 and call it / Then when you install the 64-bit version, DO NOT format /home, only / (Your distro may or may not make it mandatory to reformat / during the install, even tho you formatted it already.) Be careful when you install the 64-bit os, so as to NOT make a new /home. Note that you probably already have a swap partition, so don't make another one. Any and all Linux os's on the disk can use the one swap. It has been quite a while since I did an Ubuntu install, so I can't be more specific. And I don't think I would try this with Korora-- its installation would drive a saint crazy! (Just to get it onto two partitions is maddening!) Good luck--doug -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Default Date Format in Libreoffice Calc
Hi, I am using LibreOffice Calc 3.6.2.2. When I enter Date as 30/05/2013 in column it displays it according to the format I have selected for CELL. Now when I go for edit this column I can see it is changing this DD/MM/ format in which I have entered data to MM/DD/ automatically. Is there any way so I can set DD/MM/ default so whenever I go for editing it will show me 30/05/2013 not 05/30/2013 ? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Base: In basic, how do you open a form to a particular record number?
Le 06/08/13 15:23, Jason White a écrit : Hi Jason, This is some example code I'm using that opens a form. How do set set the current record number of the newly opened form from the basic script. Sub OpenDataEntry(oEvent As Object) Dim FrmName as string FrmName = Finalization - Data Entry ThisDatabaseDocument.FormDocuments.getByName(FrmName).open() End Sub I'm a programmer. Does anyone know where a useable API reference is for libreoffice basic? I have looked at the documentation and there Try here : http://api.libreoffice.org/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/module-ix.html http://api.libreoffice.org/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/sdbcx/ResultSet.html http://api.libreoffice.org/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/sdbcx/XRowLocate.html You might need to get/set the cursor or a bookmark for the resultset/rowset. Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Sorry (was: help)
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Base: In basic, how do you open a form to a particular record number?
Hi Jason, You might be able to adapt this Sub for your needs: - Sub FindRecord(iTargetID AS Integer) Dim oColumn AS Object Dim iColumnValue AS Integer Dim iRowAS Integer Dim rs AS Object Dim sTargetIDAS String rs = goFormTransHeader.createResultSet() if rs.absolute(iTargetID) = false then ' Check if rs is past end of Table rs.Previous() End if Do oColumn = rs.Columns.getByName(TransHeaderID) iColumnValue = rs.getInt(1) iRow = rs.Row if iColumnValue = iTargetID then goFormTransHeader.absolute(iRow) Exit Sub else if iColumnValue iTargetID then sTargetID = iTargetID MsgBox(Record + sTargetID + not found,0,ERROR) Exit Sub End if End if Loop While rs.Previous() End Sub Notes:- 1. TargetID is the key value for the record I want to display on the Form 2. goFormTransHeader is my global variable for the Form 3. TransHeaderID is the key field of my Table. (Integer, auto increment) 4. I have relatively few deletions from the Table so TransHeaderID is fairly close to the required row number. Thus a number of rs.Previous() cycles is usually all I need. In your case if that is too slow, you might need to consider doing a binary search. Let me know if you have any questions. Noel -- Noel Lodge lodg...@gmail.com On 7 August 2013 05:57, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Yes, sorry for all the Rtfm answers! Prolly is best to ask on devs lists as they might have more idea of what you are doing. There are a few here that seemed to understand but it was all waaay beyond me. Regards from Tom :) From: Jason White whitewaterssoftwarei...@gmail.com To: and...@pitonyak.org Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2013, 16:43 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Base: In basic, how do you open a form to a particular record number? Well, thank you everyone for all the references. I've figured out the I am doing things backwards, I have the tool Xray, and the 1500 page introductory developers guide. Clearly this is a question for one of the core developers (if its not documented in the developers guide) On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/5/50/BH40-BaseHandbook.odt http://www.baseprogramming.com/OOBasicDatabaseDev.pdf http://www.pitonyak.org/database/ http://www.pitonyak.org/database/AndrewBase.odt http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php These links just provide some ideas of other places to look http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/Database/Using_DBMS_Features http://www.openoffice.org/api/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/sdbc/TransactionIsolation.html On 08/06/2013 09:23 AM, Jason White wrote: This is some example code I'm using that opens a form. How do set set the current record number of the newly opened form from the basic script. Sub OpenDataEntry(oEvent As Object) Dim FrmName as string FrmName = Finalization - Data Entry ThisDatabaseDocument.FormDocuments.getByName(FrmName).open() End Sub I'm a programmer. Does anyone know where a useable API reference is for libreoffice basic? I have looked at the documentation and there is no apparent reference to ThisDatabaseDocument , FormDocuments , getByName , and etc. Surely there is a real API reference or some trick I'm missing out there Thanks Jason White -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Jason White -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: What's needed for reading and writing an excel o spreedsheet file from Java
Le 06/08/13 16:08, Edwin F. López A. a écrit : Hi, I saw the examples of libre office for openning an Excel file, and was wondering what is required to create a java application that uses LibreOffice UNO runtime for such a task. That is, use LibreOffice for You need a running instance of LO (which can be invisible to the user) that accepts connections. openning and manipulate Excel files from within a Java application (like in the examples: http://api.libreoffice.org/examples/java/ToDo/ToDo.java). LO converts an XLSX file (via a filter) to data structures that the ODF parser understands and stores the data structures in memory. The larger the Excel file, the longer it takes to parse those structures and manipulate them in RAM. You may find that this solution doesn't scale well for you either on large files such as the ones you are envisaging. I don't use LO enough with large files in this way to say. Your best chance of getting a more comprehensive answer would be to ask your question on the libreoffice developer list, or look out for Markus Mohrhard, Eike Rathke or Kohei on the libreoffice developer IRC, they're the main LO Calc experts. Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Default Date Format in Libreoffice Calc
Le 07/08/13 10:56, Harshad Italiya a écrit : Hi, Is there any way so I can set DD/MM/ default so whenever I go for editing it will show me 30/05/2013 not 05/30/2013 ? 1) What is your system locale set to ? 2) What is your LO locale set to ? 3) Which lang-pack (if any) are you using ? Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Default Date Format in Libreoffice Calc
Hi Alex, I have just changed my Local Date format and now it's working OK. Thanks Alex. :) On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.comwrote: Le 07/08/13 10:56, Harshad Italiya a écrit : Hi, Is there any way so I can set DD/MM/ default so whenever I go for editing it will show me 30/05/2013 not 05/30/2013 ? 1) What is your system locale set to ? 2) What is your LO locale set to ? 3) Which lang-pack (if any) are you using ? Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Feature request: MATH - Include Greek letters and other symbols
Hi. I´ll report it there, but Isn´t it a bug´s reporting psge? These feature doesn´t exisit. It really isn´t a bug! Thanks. *Ramón E. Tavárez B.* On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 3:52 AM, Thomas Taylor [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n4069165...@n3.nabble.com wrote: On Tue, 6 Aug 2013 13:26:43 -0700 (PDT) RamonTavarez [hidden email]http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4069165i=0 wrote: Hi. It would be a good enhacement include into MATH's docking window a section for greek letters and other mathematicals symbols. Just to simplify the edition's time on academics jobs. Regards. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-request-MATH-Include-Greek-letters-and-other-symbols-tp4069117.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. +1 Tomk -- A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others. Ayn Rand ^^ --... ...-- / -.- --. --... -.-. ..-. -.-. Tom Taylor - retired penguin - KG7CFC AMD Phenom II x4 955 -- 4GB RAM -- 2x1.5TB sata2 openSUSE 12.3-x86_64 KDE 4.10.00, FF 19.0, claws-mail 3.9.1 registered linux user 263467 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email]http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4069165i=1 Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-request-MATH-Include-Greek-letters-and-other-symbols-tp4069117p4069165.html To unsubscribe from Feature request: MATH - Include Greek letters and other symbols, click herehttp://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_codenode=4069117code=cmFtb250YXZhcmV6QGdtYWlsLmNvbXw0MDY5MTE3fDE2MzExMjYwMDk= . NAMLhttp://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewerid=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.namlbase=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespacebreadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Re-Feature-request-MATH-Include-Greek-letters-and-other-symbols-tp4069185.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Feature request: MATH - Include Greek letters and other symbols
Hi :) One of the drop-downs sets the status as Feature Request so it probably does get filed slightly differently from a regular bug-report Regards from Tom :) From: RamonTavarez ramontava...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013, 11:06 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Feature request: MATH - Include Greek letters and other symbols Hi. I´ll report it there, but Isn´t it a bug´s reporting page? These feature don´t exist. It really isn´t a bug! Thanks. *Ramón E. Tavárez B.* On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 3:52 AM, Thomas Taylor [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n4069165...@n3.nabble.com wrote: On Tue, 6 Aug 2013 13:26:43 -0700 (PDT) RamonTavarez [hidden email]http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4069165i=0 wrote: Hi. It would be a good enhacement include into MATH's docking window a section for greek letters and other mathematicals symbols. Just to simplify the edition's time on academics jobs. Regards. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-request-MATH-Include-Greek-letters-and-other-symbols-tp4069117.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. +1 Tomk -- A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others. Ayn Rand ^^ --... ...-- / -.- --. --... -.-. ..-. -.-. Tom Taylor - retired penguin - KG7CFC AMD Phenom II x4 955 -- 4GB RAM -- 2x1.5TB sata2 openSUSE 12.3-x86_64 KDE 4.10.00, FF 19.0, claws-mail 3.9.1 registered linux user 263467 -- If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-request-MATH-Include-Greek-letters-and-other-symbols-tp4069117p4069165.html To unsubscribe from Feature request: MATH - Include Greek letters and other symbols, click herehttp://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_codenode=4069117code=cmFtb250YXZhcmV6QGdtYWlsLmNvbXw0MDY5MTE3fDE2MzExMjYwMDk= . NAMLhttp://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewerid=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.namlbase=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespacebreadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Re-Feature-request-MATH-Include-Greek-letters-and-other-symbols-tp4069185.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed
YES my point exactly Unless we do such a large data gathering project taking into account all of the different options, EVERYTHING is just guesswork or personally view performance. Some faster systems, for whatever reasons, load and run LO slower than the slower CPU called slower due to number of cores or the speed at which it is running at. So all it opinion until someone decides to prove those opinions and results on an individual basis. On 08/06/2013 10:09 PM, Sina Momken wrote: On 08/07/2013 05:43 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: I would expect that .doc would load slower in Writer and .odt would load slower in Word. The question really is how well does Writer load both. How well it load the 10 page documents vs. the 50 page ones. Both with the same average number of graphics per page. Then look at the simple 20 or 50 page documents vs. the very complex ones. Get an over all load times for the same documents on Writer and Word on various Windows systems and various version of Windows [Win7 - Home/H. Premium/Professional - 64-bit and 32-bit. Vista versions in both 32 and 64 bit.] Then look into the same documents with Writer run on some of the different version of Linux [32-bit and 64-bit OS] such as Ubuntu, Fedora, Mint, Mageia, Arch, etc., etc.. Then with all that data make a chart and add to it every time someone tries the standard documents on different systems and specifications. Then we would have a chart that will tell us how much different systems and specifications effect the load and run speeds of LO, Writer specifically, and Word specifically. Does more RAM or more CPU power influence it most. How does 4.0.4 vs 4.1.0 compare on the same system/specs. How much faster a 64-bit install is over the same distro's 32-bit version. What you're requesting here is an exact benchmark with will take so much time and effort. Besides different file formats, size and heaviness of the file, different OSes and different HW Architectures, the exact conditions of the system during experiment (like the software and processes running in the background, etc.) and the number of repetitions for each experiment must also be specified. Ideally no other excessive processes must be run and each experiment must run more than 10 times. It's accurate to write a test program to automatically test these factors with any repetition desired. But doing all these is a major job and takes much time and effort. If I'd done this before, I've published this on my website or other major website, not on this mailing list which doesn't have many visitors. I only wanted to show you a rule of thumb about LO Writer dealing with heavy files. Without these types of data charted, we could just say what we think is true or want works better for you. To be honest, when I was using it and it worked well, my AMD64 CPU laptop worked better than my Intel dual core laptop. When I asked why my older slower AMD laptop worked faster creating the .iso file using DeVeDe .avi/.mp4 file to DVD-movie disc conversion tool, I was told that the faster dual core laptop was not powerful enough to do the work even though my older slower AMD64 laptop could do it just fine. So, no matter how I think it should not be true, sometimes newer faster systems that we think is more powerful and faster might now be a good as we think and the older slower less powerful systems might actually work better at some job or package. Slower single core laptop working better than a faster speed dual core laptop, does not make sense, but in practice it works that way. I doesn't say that. Actually I exactly said opposite of that. I have a single core pentium4 @2.8GHz desktop which runs LO Writer faster than my dual core core2due @2.2GHz laptop. Maybe power of both cores of my laptop be more than power of cpu of my desktop, but power of a single core of my laptop is surely less than power of a single core of my desktop and because LO only uses 1 core, my older desktop PC wins. So, maybe someone should collect some data and let us know how it worked out. Maybe we could be surprised on what we find. Making a precise benchmark is always a valuable and highly regarded work, can practically assess a software and help to make it better. I sure was running DeVeDe on 2 different laptops, both as XP/Vista and Ubuntu 10.04/ U. 10.04 systems. Regards, Sina Momken On 08/06/2013 06:44 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Brilliant. Larger file-size is a better test and some of those comparisons were really interesting. So.doc loads and saves much more slowly. I dont know how they do it but the docs team write each chapter of the guides separately and then combine them into 1 book at the end. Master documents perhaps? Regards from Tom :) From: Sina Momken digi...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com;
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed
Just to give you a bloat alert. My Ubuntu 12.04 LTS system, after all of its updates and upgrades from the repository, and the fact that it seems a lot of the older packages were left on the system, my OS folders now total about 98-GB. 1,000 GB total less 78.7 GB free space less 823.5 GB in the /home folder and sub-folders making all of the other folders in the filesystem totaling 97.8 GB for the OS. This OS figure also includes the 11 GB swap and a 11 GB extended partition [for what Ubuntu uses it for I do not know, but it created it]. So take away the 22 GB of partitions outside of that main partition, you get 75.8 GB of OS file space for 12.04LTS plus the two partitions it needs to run. If I used a 10-15 GB for the OS, I would be sunk. I do not separate the /home into its own partition, since all of the docs and help seems to confuse me on how to set up all of the different partitions during the install process. In a few months, I hope to replace that 1 TB drive with a 2 TB one. I planned on creating a 500 GB partition for the OS file system including the OS, /home, and the needed swap and other partition[s] needed. The rest of the drive, 1.5 TB, will be used as a separate data drive so I can have a smaller /home folder size and keep everything not actively worked on out of the /home folder. Also, I have taken a 2 TB internal drive and used it for the first stage backup, or internal backup, of the essential /home folder files, like the hidden dot folders and things like my photo folder that contains sub-folders by year and then month of all my digital photo since Sept. 2005 - when I bought my first digital camera. I have a whole box of photos needing to be scanned in from the early 70's to then, that I will one day get around to scanning an archiving. Unfortunately, I have more internal drive space than external drive backup space. So I need to start buying more of those drives to back up my system. It does help that most of my 2nd 2-TB drive is used as an internal backup, so it currently does not need external a separate external backup. But I do have one 1-TB and two 2-TB drives, currently, and later at least 6-TB [maybe 7, 8, or more] internal storage to be backed up externally. On 08/07/2013 04:18 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I tend to make / around 10-15Gb now for Ubuntu. 100Mb is about enough for a separate /boot partiiton but not enough for the / of most distros, especially not for the most bloated distro of all. I've found that even 8Gb gets in trouble quite quickly unless you are quite good at doing maintenance such as using the Janitor fairly often. You don't get much of a performance boost by having a separate /home unless that /home is on a physically separate drive but it does make he system more robust and safer to upgrade. Regards from Tom :) From: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013, 8:19 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed Ubuntu install is the same, if using the default install options it creates the swap partition (at least equal to installed RAM amount), and then then one partition for all. I change this and like many here, create the root / (100MB), and the balance of the drive capacity to /home, keeping my data separate. Regards Andrew Brown On 07/08/2013 07:53 AM, Doug wrote: On 08/07/2013 01:05 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) If you have your /home on a separate partition then it might be possible to install the 64bit version of Ubuntu without disturbing your 32 it version. I tend to use a 10-15Gb partition for / for Ubuntu. It doesn't really need all that much space but Ubuntu is about the most bloated distro at the moment. Having plenty of space makes it easier when installing programs. Regards from Tom :) I did that on PCLOS. It works well, altho a few apps that are strictly 32-bit will not run on the 64-bit installation.I lost Adobe Reader on the 64-bit os, because there is no 64-bit version of that s/w. I had to go find a 64-bit version of one or two other programs. But basically, it's a lot simpler than having to back up all your files to an external storage medium and then having to copy everything back to a completely new install. You will have to make a new blank partition on the drive, using gparted or something similar, and format it to ext4 and call it / Then when you install the 64-bit version, DO NOT format /home, only / (Your distro may or may not make it mandatory to reformat / during the install, even tho you formatted it already.) Be careful when you install the 64-bit os, so as to NOT make a new /home. Note that you probably already have a swap partition, so don't make another one. Any and all Linux os's on the disk can use the one swap. It has been quite a while since I did an Ubuntu install, so I can't be more specific. And I don't think I would try this with Korora--
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base: In basic, how do you open a form to a particular record number?
Hi, When I have a database open in form view, there is a block where I can select a specific record number in the bottom left of the screen Don On 08/07/2013 05:30 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Le 06/08/13 15:23, Jason White a écrit : Hi Jason, This is some example code I'm using that opens a form. How do set set the current record number of the newly opened form from the basic script. Sub OpenDataEntry(oEvent As Object) Dim FrmName as string FrmName = Finalization - Data Entry ThisDatabaseDocument.FormDocuments.getByName(FrmName).open() End Sub I'm a programmer. Does anyone know where a useable API reference is for libreoffice basic? I have looked at the documentation and there Try here : http://api.libreoffice.org/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/module-ix.html http://api.libreoffice.org/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/sdbcx/ResultSet.html http://api.libreoffice.org/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/sdbcx/XRowLocate.html You might need to get/set the cursor or a bookmark for the resultset/rowset. Alex -- ** -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed
On 08/07/2013 03:05 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: YES my point exactly Unless we do such a large data gathering project taking into account all of the different options, EVERYTHING is just guesswork or personally view performance. They are more than some guesswork which I may say from myself. They are not only my opinions. Actually I could prove my claims to some degree using some simple experiments. Yeah, my experiments were not comprehensive enough to certainly conclude from, but they can prove my claims with good probability (at least in my case). Proving by experimentation is not like in the math which can 100% confirm a lemma. One must limit his experiments based on his time and efforts; We can not put a ball down to ground on each planet to test the gravity theory of Newton! All what I want to say is that I believe based on my (not comprehensive) experiments, my claims about LO performance is more than just a GUESSWORK or OPINION! Regards Some faster systems, for whatever reasons, load and run LO slower than the slower CPU called slower due to number of cores or the speed at which it is running at. So all it opinion until someone decides to prove those opinions and results on an individual basis. On 08/06/2013 10:09 PM, Sina Momken wrote: On 08/07/2013 05:43 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: I would expect that .doc would load slower in Writer and .odt would load slower in Word. The question really is how well does Writer load both. How well it load the 10 page documents vs. the 50 page ones. Both with the same average number of graphics per page. Then look at the simple 20 or 50 page documents vs. the very complex ones. Get an over all load times for the same documents on Writer and Word on various Windows systems and various version of Windows [Win7 - Home/H. Premium/Professional - 64-bit and 32-bit. Vista versions in both 32 and 64 bit.] Then look into the same documents with Writer run on some of the different version of Linux [32-bit and 64-bit OS] such as Ubuntu, Fedora, Mint, Mageia, Arch, etc., etc.. Then with all that data make a chart and add to it every time someone tries the standard documents on different systems and specifications. Then we would have a chart that will tell us how much different systems and specifications effect the load and run speeds of LO, Writer specifically, and Word specifically. Does more RAM or more CPU power influence it most. How does 4.0.4 vs 4.1.0 compare on the same system/specs. How much faster a 64-bit install is over the same distro's 32-bit version. What you're requesting here is an exact benchmark with will take so much time and effort. Besides different file formats, size and heaviness of the file, different OSes and different HW Architectures, the exact conditions of the system during experiment (like the software and processes running in the background, etc.) and the number of repetitions for each experiment must also be specified. Ideally no other excessive processes must be run and each experiment must run more than 10 times. It's accurate to write a test program to automatically test these factors with any repetition desired. But doing all these is a major job and takes much time and effort. If I'd done this before, I've published this on my website or other major website, not on this mailing list which doesn't have many visitors. I only wanted to show you a rule of thumb about LO Writer dealing with heavy files. Without these types of data charted, we could just say what we think is true or want works better for you. To be honest, when I was using it and it worked well, my AMD64 CPU laptop worked better than my Intel dual core laptop. When I asked why my older slower AMD laptop worked faster creating the .iso file using DeVeDe .avi/.mp4 file to DVD-movie disc conversion tool, I was told that the faster dual core laptop was not powerful enough to do the work even though my older slower AMD64 laptop could do it just fine. So, no matter how I think it should not be true, sometimes newer faster systems that we think is more powerful and faster might now be a good as we think and the older slower less powerful systems might actually work better at some job or package. Slower single core laptop working better than a faster speed dual core laptop, does not make sense, but in practice it works that way. I doesn't say that. Actually I exactly said opposite of that. I have a single core pentium4 @2.8GHz desktop which runs LO Writer faster than my dual core core2due @2.2GHz laptop. Maybe power of both cores of my laptop be more than power of cpu of my desktop, but power of a single core of my laptop is surely less than power of a single core of my desktop and because LO only uses 1 core, my older desktop PC wins. So, maybe someone should collect some data and let us know how it worked out. Maybe we could be surprised on what we find.
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed
Hi :) My guess is thatUbuntu created an 11Gb Extended Partition purely to put the 11Gb Swap in. Not quite sure why it did that but the installer tries to make sure your system stays reasonably flexible for the future Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013, 12:45 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed Just to give you a bloat alert. My Ubuntu 12.04 LTS system, after all of its updates and upgrades from the repository, and the fact that it seems a lot of the older packages were left on the system, my OS folders now total about 98-GB. 1,000 GB total less 78.7 GB free space less 823.5 GB in the /home folder and sub-folders making all of the other folders in the filesystem totaling 97.8 GB for the OS. This OS figure also includes the 11 GB swap and a 11 GB extended partition [for what Ubuntu uses it for I do not know, but it created it]. So take away the 22 GB of partitions outside of that main partition, you get 75.8 GB of OS file space for 12.04LTS plus the two partitions it needs to run. If I used a 10-15 GB for the OS, I would be sunk. I do not separate the /home into its own partition, since all of the docs and help seems to confuse me on how to set up all of the different partitions during the install process. In a few months, I hope to replace that 1 TB drive with a 2 TB one. I planned on creating a 500 GB partition for the OS file system including the OS, /home, and the needed swap and other partition[s] needed. The rest of the drive, 1.5 TB, will be used as a separate data drive so I can have a smaller /home folder size and keep everything not actively worked on out of the /home folder. Also, I have taken a 2 TB internal drive and used it for the first stage backup, or internal backup, of the essential /home folder files, like the hidden dot folders and things like my photo folder that contains sub-folders by year and then month of all my digital photo since Sept. 2005 - when I bought my first digital camera. I have a whole box of photos needing to be scanned in from the early 70's to then, that I will one day get around to scanning an archiving. Unfortunately, I have more internal drive space than external drive backup space. So I need to start buying more of those drives to back up my system. It does help that most of my 2nd 2-TB drive is used as an internal backup, so it currently does not need external a separate external backup. But I do have one 1-TB and two 2-TB drives, currently, and later at least 6-TB [maybe 7, 8, or more] internal storage to be backed up externally. On 08/07/2013 04:18 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I tend to make / around 10-15Gb now for Ubuntu. 100Mb is about enough for a separate /boot partiiton but not enough for the / of most distros, especially not for the most bloated distro of all. I've found that even 8Gb gets in trouble quite quickly unless you are quite good at doing maintenance such as using the Janitor fairly often. You don't get much of a performance boost by having a separate /home unless that /home is on a physically separate drive but it does make he system more robust and safer to upgrade. Regards from Tom :) From: Andrew Brown andre...@icon.co.za To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013, 8:19 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed Ubuntu install is the same, if using the default install options it creates the swap partition (at least equal to installed RAM amount), and then then one partition for all. I change this and like many here, create the root / (100MB), and the balance of the drive capacity to /home, keeping my data separate. Regards Andrew Brown On 07/08/2013 07:53 AM, Doug wrote: On 08/07/2013 01:05 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) If you have your /home on a separate partition then it might be possible to install the 64bit version of Ubuntu without disturbing your 32 it version. I tend to use a 10-15Gb partition for / for Ubuntu. It doesn't really need all that much space but Ubuntu is about the most bloated distro at the moment. Having plenty of space makes it easier when installing programs. Regards from Tom :) I did that on PCLOS. It works well, altho a few apps that are strictly 32-bit will not run on the 64-bit installation.I lost Adobe Reader on the 64-bit os, because there is no 64-bit version of that s/w. I had to go find a 64-bit version of one or two other programs. But basically, it's a lot simpler than having to back up all your files to an external storage medium and then having to copy everything back to a completely new install. You will have to make a new blank partition on the drive, using gparted or something similar, and format it to ext4 and call it / Then when you install the 64-bit
[libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed
On 07/08/2013 15:18, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) My guess is thatUbuntu created an 11Gb Extended Partition purely to put the 11Gb Swap in. Not quite sure why it did that but the installer tries to make sure your system stays reasonably flexible for the future Swap is just about on all systems in a separate partition and it is a very good idea to have that on a separate physical drive for performance reasons. In *nix systems the type of file system (not every distro has the same preferred file system for the same type of file types) you use can also have drastic performance differences and it also depends what you put on that file systems, e.g. lots of document type files are not the same then e.g. a database data folder etc etc. Werner -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] [4.0/Win] Edit form?
Hello LibreOffice Write is unable to let me fill this form: Lost.in.Post.Declaration1.docx http://bagofiles.free.fr/Lost.in.Post.Declaration1.docx Apparently, it's filled with macros. Does someone have an idea how to fill this? Thank you. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/4-0-Win-Edit-form-tp4069229.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed
Yes, there are a lot of people who can give others proof of what their system can do. Either by an active demonstration or via benchmark packages. I love doing active presentations to non-believers. I have taken and proved that LO can do things that I claim, by bringing my laptop[s] to these people and run LO through some tests. Then I hand them a USB drive and ask them to place some sample documents they use on a daily/weakly basis and then open them up with LO and show them that yes LO can work with your files easily. I once had them click on their Word icon on their multi-core Windows desktop and the same time as I click on the LO icon on my Windows boot partition of my Windows/Ubuntu dual booting laptop[s]. Now that we have Win7 as the new standard for business computers, I can use either my Win7 Home Premium laptop or my Win7 Professional one. Both are dual core laptops, but the Professional install is on the slower system. One day I will take the Home laptop and make it Professional to solve some back port issues where Home might not allow certain XP and Vista era packages to be installed while Professional has not problem installing those packages. So having a live demonstration on what LO can do and how fast it can do those things is a good marketing tool. Having a benchmark style of information sheet tends to make many manager's eyes cloud over and ears stop hearing you as you discuss the benchmark results. Yes, there can be some guesswork for some things, and some subjective issues, but it does not mean that those guesses are wrong. The seconds count or timed with a stopwatch is not very accurate if it is the difference of a second plus/minus. But most people can not tell the difference between 3 and 4 seconds, or 3.4 and 4.1 seconds. We are not built that way, or most of us are not build that way. On 08/07/2013 08:05 AM, Sina Momken wrote: On 08/07/2013 03:05 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: YES my point exactly Unless we do such a large data gathering project taking into account all of the different options, EVERYTHING is just guesswork or personally view performance. They are more than some guesswork which I may say from myself. They are not only my opinions. Actually I could prove my claims to some degree using some simple experiments. Yeah, my experiments were not comprehensive enough to certainly conclude from, but they can prove my claims with good probability (at least in my case). Proving by experimentation is not like in the math which can 100% confirm a lemma. One must limit his experiments based on his time and efforts; We can not put a ball down to ground on each planet to test the gravity theory of Newton! All what I want to say is that I believe based on my (not comprehensive) experiments, my claims about LO performance is more than just a GUESSWORK or OPINION! Regards Some faster systems, for whatever reasons, load and run LO slower than the slower CPU called slower due to number of cores or the speed at which it is running at. So all it opinion until someone decides to prove those opinions and results on an individual basis. On 08/06/2013 10:09 PM, Sina Momken wrote: On 08/07/2013 05:43 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: I would expect that .doc would load slower in Writer and .odt would load slower in Word. The question really is how well does Writer load both. How well it load the 10 page documents vs. the 50 page ones. Both with the same average number of graphics per page. Then look at the simple 20 or 50 page documents vs. the very complex ones. Get an over all load times for the same documents on Writer and Word on various Windows systems and various version of Windows [Win7 - Home/H. Premium/Professional - 64-bit and 32-bit. Vista versions in both 32 and 64 bit.] Then look into the same documents with Writer run on some of the different version of Linux [32-bit and 64-bit OS] such as Ubuntu, Fedora, Mint, Mageia, Arch, etc., etc.. Then with all that data make a chart and add to it every time someone tries the standard documents on different systems and specifications. Then we would have a chart that will tell us how much different systems and specifications effect the load and run speeds of LO, Writer specifically, and Word specifically. Does more RAM or more CPU power influence it most. How does 4.0.4 vs 4.1.0 compare on the same system/specs. How much faster a 64-bit install is over the same distro's 32-bit version. What you're requesting here is an exact benchmark with will take so much time and effort. Besides different file formats, size and heaviness of the file, different OSes and different HW Architectures, the exact conditions of the system during experiment (like the software and processes running in the background, etc.) and the number of repetitions for each experiment must also be specified. Ideally no other excessive processes must be run and each experiment must run more
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed
Well, in the Disk utility, there is a gray area that is the ext4 partition. The small space left it split in half, top half and bottom half. It sure reads like they are separate partitions, since they are both named using the partition word. Extended partition and Swap Partition. Unless they created the Extended partition and created a new partition within it, that is. Still whether it is 11 GB or 22 GB of space, it still is either 87 GB for the OS folders or 76 GB [roughly]. 76 to 87 GB is a lot more than your 10-15 GB you tell me is needed. Sure, when I do a new/fresh install of a Ubuntu system on a drive, the OS file space takes up little of the disk. BUT, and the big-but is what size do you need to have after a year or more? I installed 12.04LTS a few days after it came out. I did a clean install after backing up all my /home files. Then I restored all my data/files and then started to install all of the packages I needed to install to run the system the way I like. 12.04 comes with Unity desktop environment. I do not like it, so I install MATE. Then, there are some packages that need some of the KDE files. K3b and other packages and utilities I use are default package with KDE and seems to want some KDE system files installed. 2+ desktop environments can add space to the OS. The plus is the KDE system files. I use to install the FULL set of packages for KDE d.e. but decided that I did not need to do that when I did my 12.04LTS upgrade. I let the packages install whatever dependencies they needed. On 08/07/2013 09:18 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) My guess is thatUbuntu created an 11Gb Extended Partition purely to put the 11Gb Swap in. Not quite sure why it did that but the installer tries to make sure your system stays reasonably flexible for the future Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013, 12:45 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: start up speed Just to give you a bloat alert. My Ubuntu 12.04 LTS system, after all of its updates and upgrades from the repository, and the fact that it seems a lot of the older packages were left on the system, my OS folders now total about 98-GB. 1,000 GB total less 78.7 GB free space less 823.5 GB in the /home folder and sub-folders making all of the other folders in the filesystem totaling 97.8 GB for the OS. This OS figure also includes the 11 GB swap and a 11 GB extended partition [for what Ubuntu uses it for I do not know, but it created it]. So take away the 22 GB of partitions outside of that main partition, you get 75.8 GB of OS file space for 12.04LTS plus the two partitions it needs to run. If I used a 10-15 GB for the OS, I would be sunk. I do not separate the /home into its own partition, since all of the docs and help seems to confuse me on how to set up all of the different partitions during the install process. In a few months, I hope to replace that 1 TB drive with a 2 TB one. I planned on creating a 500 GB partition for the OS file system including the OS, /home, and the needed swap and other partition[s] needed. The rest of the drive, 1.5 TB, will be used as a separate data drive so I can have a smaller /home folder size and keep everything not actively worked on out of the /home folder. Also, I have taken a 2 TB internal drive and used it for the first stage backup, or internal backup, of the essential /home folder files, like the hidden dot folders and things like my photo folder that contains sub-folders by year and then month of all my digital photo since Sept. 2005 - when I bought my first digital camera. I have a whole box of photos needing to be scanned in from the early 70's to then, that I will one day get around to scanning an archiving. Unfortunately, I have more internal drive space than external drive backup space. So I need to start buying more of those drives to back up my system. It does help that most of my 2nd 2-TB drive is used as an internal backup, so it currently does not need external a separate external backup. But I do have one 1-TB and two 2-TB drives, currently, and later at least 6-TB [maybe 7, 8, or more] internal storage to be backed up externally. snip -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Base: In basic, how do you open a form to a particular record number?
Jason , this links opens a pdf http://www.baseprogramming.com/OOBasicDatabaseDev.pdf As far as I can tell, this website only (and I mean only) has two blog posts about Java programming. No references, nor anything else that seems useful. Perhaps the website has changed owner recently? On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Fernand Vanrie s...@pmgroup.be wrote: Jason , on the website from Roberto Benitez http://www.baseprogramming.com/ you wil find what you are looking for ! This is some example code I'm using that opens a form. How do set set the current record number of the newly opened form from the basic script. Sub OpenDataEntry(oEvent As Object) Dim FrmName as string FrmName = Finalization - Data Entry ThisDatabaseDocument.FormDocuments.getByName(FrmName).open() End Sub I'm a programmer. Does anyone know where a useable API reference is for libreoffice basic? I have looked at the documentation and there is no apparent reference to ThisDatabaseDocument , FormDocuments , getByName , and etc. Surely there is a real API reference or some trick I'm missing out there Thanks Jason White -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: [4.0/Win] Edit form?
Using a Mac 10.8.4 and LibreOffice 4.1.0.4 it works perfectly for me. Tink. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/4-0-Win-Edit-form-tp4069229p4069240.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [4.0/Win] Edit form?
On 08/07/2013 10:28 AM, Gilles wrote: Hello LibreOffice Write is unable to let me fill this form: Lost.in.Post.Declaration1.docx http://bagofiles.free.fr/Lost.in.Post.Declaration1.docx Apparently, it's filled with macros. Does someone have an idea how to fill this? Thank you. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/4-0-Win-Edit-form-tp4069229.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. I filled it in using Textmaker from Softmaker 2012 (paid version)--in PCLOS. LibreOffice is not all it's cracked up to be! --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers..for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M.Greeley -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [4.0/Win] Edit form?
At 07:28 07/08/2013 -0700, Gilles Noname wrote: LibreOffice Write is unable to let me fill this form: http://bagofiles.free.fr/Lost.in.Post.Declaration1.docx Apparently, it's filled with macros. Does someone have an idea how to fill this? One solution: open it in Microsoft Word (apologies to those who see these as dirty words!), save it as .doc instead of .docx, and open that in LibreOffice (perhaps then saving that as .odt). I'll send you the result. You may need to readjust the vertical spacing. While you are at it, you might want to explain to the originators: 1) they ought not to be requiring their customers to have particular proprietary software available, 2) they could make life easier anyway by distributing as .doc instead of .docx, and 3) being in Northern Ireland (part of the UK), they should be providing documents in the international standard A4 format, not the Letter format used by a very few non-standard countries. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [4.0/Win] Edit form?
Hi :) +1 and a little applause. If only that was more acceptable. We are getting there though. People around me are becoming more aware of the geekish File - Save As but outsiders still have trouble with that sort of thing Regards from Tom :) From: Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013, 17:02 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [4.0/Win] Edit form? At 07:28 07/08/2013 -0700, Gilles Noname wrote: LibreOffice Write is unable to let me fill this form: http://bagofiles.free.fr/Lost.in.Post.Declaration1.docx Apparently, it's filled with macros. Does someone have an idea how to fill this? One solution: open it in Microsoft Word (apologies to those who see these as dirty words!), save it as .doc instead of .docx, and open that in LibreOffice (perhaps then saving that as .odt). I'll send you the result. You may need to readjust the vertical spacing. While you are at it, you might want to explain to the originators: 1) they ought not to be requiring their customers to have particular proprietary software available, 2) they could make life easier anyway by distributing as .doc instead of .docx, and 3) being in Northern Ireland (part of the UK), they should be providing documents in the international standard A4 format, not the Letter format used by a very few non-standard countries. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: [4.0/Win] Edit form?
Thanks Brian. After more fiddling, I figured how to enter edit mode and fill that form. What a waste of time. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/4-0-Win-Edit-form-tp4069229p4069250.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: [4.0/Win] Edit form?
Hi :) Seems like they are trying to go for the prize of most pointlessly awkward form based on just bad formatting options rather than anything sinister or really clever. Step 1 From the web-page the file opened as Read only so i had to save it locally to fill it in Step 2 Adjust the font sizes and box sizes until they didn't look so bad Step 3 Was clicking inside the box, then outside again, then inside (repeat until laughing hopelessly or screaming) until at last the thing actually lets you type instead of just being able to adjust the box. Note this was made easier by step 2 where i made the boxes big enough to type in. Lost.in.Post.Declaration1.odt http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4069254/Lost.in.Post.Declaration1.odt Every fortnight i have to fill in a stupid pointless form that doesn't actually have any spaces for the information the people that designed the form want to know about. So i hand the form in and then they have to ask me all the stuff they needed to know and, of course, completely ignore all the stuff that i had filled in by doing as the form told me to! I'm sure there are awards for designing bad forms. Regards from Tom :) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/4-0-Win-Edit-form-tp4069229p4069254.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Installing Win7
Hi :) I'm just installing Win7 to a machine that already had WinXp working sort-of-fine-ish. One of the early screens said the process would involve rebooting itself several times and i should ignore it and let it get on with it. Then it gave me a few choices which i had to click on. I think i had to fill in something too. (ie so i couldn't just ignore it). When it rebooted the cd/dvd stayed in the drive. Should i press Any key to get back to the installer or not. I chose to do so. Opps, wrong. Stupid user aren't i? I should have known that it kept the Cd/Dvd in the drive in order to not use it. Ooops, now it has told me to let it reboot again and ignore it. Next screen needs me to fill in something. I begin to see a pattern forming here. It asks for a user-name and decides i probably want to call the machine the same thing. The next key seemed a bit sticky. Suddenly i am passed the passwords screen without having set a password. No Back button. It's taken half an hour which is not bad. It's about the same as Ubuntu on the same machine. First thing to do is to hunt down and change the password, or even delete the non-Admin local user. 2nd is to make the machine part of the domain so all the normal desktop users can use the logins stored on the MS Exchange Server. The installer did just ask if the machine is part of a company network but i'm not sure why because i have to hunt down all that set-up myself. It's just put me on a new workgroup called WORKGROUP because they have to shout. When i get to type in a domain it's already guessed i must want the domain to have the same name as my laptop. Guess i should go around and change all the other machines to that instead of using the existing one. If i want a different domain name i have to guess it or already know it. There is no browsing to search for it. i can't be nearly right and let it give me the rest. I have to be spot on. It asks for a userpass for the domain and then gives a pop-up with a warning triangle to tell me i guessed right. It asks if i want to use the right guess or try again. Now it asks if i want to add a domain user to the local machine. 'Obviously' i made a mistake so i cancel and find the mistake i made was clicking the button Network ID instead of the button Change. Now it does guess the correct domain. Was that because i typed it in the other box or did it really find out? Still no browse button so if the guess was wrong i would have to know. Oh, the Ok button is greyed out. So although the text besides the Ok button said i could change the domain this way it doesn't use that way to confirm. Going back to the Network ID button that looked dodgy before i have to type the userpass and domain name twice in 2 different boxes and domain can only be in capital letters despite the domain name appearing everywhere else in a mix of upper and lower-case. If i do add a domain user at this point then allegedly they have full access to all the files, folders and programs anywhere on the network. I guess this is the new improved security. Now i am back at the System Properties box and Apply is greyed out so is it going to forget what i filled in like it would for changing the Virtual Memory? Now starts my endless cycle of updatesreboots. Oh, and i have to install tons of programs rather than being given nice safe 3rd party ones that i could use straight-away or swap out for my preferred ones. These updatesreboots don't make any effort to update drivers, codecs, libraries or other programs. It's just about the core OS. Later i will go to MS.com and find several critical security updates that weren't included in the auto-updates When setting the Virtual Memory it told me there were 2 other hard-drives in this laptop. Of course using a separate physical hard-drive might be quite a boost to performance if Virtual Memory ever gets used and reduces weartear. Saves the read/write head bouncing between so many different areas of the hard-drive. Just in time i remember it's talking about separate partitions on the same physical hard-drive. They just call them hard-drives because they think users are too dumb to understand the difference and need to be saved from all this complexity. I get really hacked off when people tell me this is easier than installing any GnuLinux distro. It's as though they had never actually tried either to comparecontrast. Regards from Tom :) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] HTML Source
Hi :) I think the best html editors are simple text-editors. If it can identify and colour-code the coding and perhaps a couple other tricks then fantastic. More than that is going to go wrong somewhere. Regards from Tom :) From: Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 14 July 2013, 15:02 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HTML Source Hi Andrew, Andrew schrieb: This link: https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/HTML_Source says: Displays the source text of the current HTML document. To view the HTML source of a new document, you must first save the new document as an HTML document. Choose View - HTML Source Open context menu in an HTML document ~ I followed these instructions precisely (although context menu is a pretty vague phrase in this context). The sentence Open context menu in an HTML document should be deleted. The item HTML source does not exist in context menu. This doesn't work. You need to be in Writer/Web. For a new document use File New HTML document. For an existing document use the filter Web pages. So either the docs are incomplete, or just plain wrong; I leave it to you folks to decide what semantics you prefer, however in the meantime I'd appreciate some accurate instructions as to how to actually view HTML source (and ideally edit it as well) . See above. LibreOffice is a bad HTML editor. You should not use it. It will make a lot of changes to your markup, which you do not like. It is in the state of HTML 4.0, was already bad that time, and is not maintained any longer. Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Win7
On 07-08-2013 19:35, Tom Davies wrote: It's taken half an hour which is not bad. It's about the same as Ubuntu on the same machine. The worst comparison i've ever read. Ubuntu is more and more a shitty copy of Windoooz ;) First thing to do is to hunt down and change the password, or even delete the non-Admin local user. Normally no 'non-Admin local user' is created. I think only 1 user is created, and this user is an 'Admin'. 2nd is to make the machine part of the domain so all the normal desktop users can use the logins stored on the MS Exchange Server. The installer did just ask if the machine is part of a company network but i'm not sure why because i have to hunt down all that set-up myself. It's just put me on a new workgroup called WORKGROUP because they have to shout. hmm, if you have an Exchange server running, than you should know all these thing. ;) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Win7
On 08/07/2013 03:22 PM, Luuk wrote: On 07-08-2013 19:35, Tom Davies wrote: First thing to do is to hunt down and change the password, or even delete the non-Admin local user. Normally no 'non-Admin local user' is created. I think only 1 user is created, and this user is an 'Admin'. A normal Windows setup would have the user (USER, in MS-ese) with non-admin permissions, and you'd have to open admin permissions. I don't remember how, but if you're going to get into the nuts and bolts, you'd better obtain a book. Once you figure out how to get to an admin terminal, you can put an icon on the desktop to get to it again when you need it. If it's setup right from the install, I seem to remember you can have it start with the option of user or admin, with same or different passwords. I don't know if you can do that once it's installed, but one of the books may tell you. The main problem is, to find out what you can do, and how to do it, from a command line, since most of the literature--particularly that from MS--tries to do everything from a GUI. For programs or modifications that require Admin perms in the desktop environment, normally the system will tell you to enter the password, so you need to get that straightened out. I have several Win 7 books, but the most useful, generally, I think, is a QUE publication called Windows 7 in Depth. $49.99. Maybe it's on sale, now that Win 8 is out? I also have Wiley's publication, Windows 7 Bible, $39.95. And I think you can download a list of commands for the terminal interface. Frankly, Windows is a PITA, but there are some things you can't do otherwise. --doug 2nd is to make the machine part of the domain so all the normal desktop users can use the logins stored on the MS Exchange Server. The installer did just ask if the machine is part of a company network but i'm not sure why because i have to hunt down all that set-up myself. It's just put me on a new workgroup called WORKGROUP because they have to shout. hmm, if you have an Exchange server running, than you should know all these thing. ;) -- Blessed are the peacemakers..for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M.Greeley -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Installing Win7
On Wed, Aug 07, 2013 at 06:35:48PM +0100, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I'm just installing Win7 to a machine that already had WinXp working sort-of-fine-ish. One of the early screens said the process would involve rebooting itself several times and i should ignore it and let it get on with it. Then it gave me a few choices which i had to click on. I think i had to fill in something too. (ie so i couldn't just ignore it). When it rebooted the cd/dvd stayed in the drive. Should i press Any key to get back to the installer or not. I chose to do so. Opps, wrong. Stupid user aren't i? I should have known that it kept the Cd/Dvd in the drive in order to not use it. Ooops, now it has told me to let it reboot again and ignore it. Next screen needs me to fill in something. I begin to see a pattern forming here. It asks for a user-name and decides i probably want to call the machine the same thing. The next key seemed a bit sticky. Suddenly i am passed the passwords screen without having set a password. No Back button. It's taken half an hour which is not bad. It's about the same as Ubuntu on the same machine. First thing to do is to hunt down and change the password, or even delete the non-Admin local user. 2nd is to make the machine part of the domain so all the normal desktop users can use the logins stored on the MS Exchange Server. The installer did just ask if the machine is part of a company network but i'm not sure why because i have to hunt down all that set-up myself. It's just put me on a new workgroup called WORKGROUP because they have to shout. When i get to type in a domain it's already guessed i must want the domain to have the same name as my laptop. Guess i should go around and change all the other machines to that instead of using the existing one. If i want a different domain name i have to guess it or already know it. There is no browsing to search for it. i can't be nearly right and let it give me the rest. I have to be spot on. It asks for a userpass for the domain and then gives a pop-up with a warning triangle to tell me i guessed right. It asks if i want to use the right guess or try again. Now it asks if i want to add a domain user to the local machine. 'Obviously' i made a mistake so i cancel and find the mistake i made was clicking the button Network ID instead of the button Change. Now it does guess the correct domain. Was that because i typed it in the other box or did it really find out? Still no browse button so if the guess was wrong i would have to know. Oh, the Ok button is greyed out. So although the text besides the Ok button said i could change the domain this way it doesn't use that way to confirm. Going back to the Network ID button that looked dodgy before i have to type the userpass and domain name twice in 2 different boxes and domain can only be in capital letters despite the domain name appearing everywhere else in a mix of upper and lower-case. If i do add a domain user at this point then allegedly they have full access to all the files, folders and programs anywhere on the network. I guess this is the new improved security. Now i am back at the System Properties box and Apply is greyed out so is it going to forget what i filled in like it would for changing the Virtual Memory? Now starts my endless cycle of updatesreboots. Oh, and i have to install tons of programs rather than being given nice safe 3rd party ones that i could use straight-away or swap out for my preferred ones. These updatesreboots don't make any effort to update drivers, codecs, libraries or other programs. It's just about the core OS. Later i will go to MS.com and find several critical security updates that weren't included in the auto-updates When setting the Virtual Memory it told me there were 2 other hard-drives in this laptop. Of course using a separate physical hard-drive might be quite a boost to performance if Virtual Memory ever gets used and reduces weartear. Saves the read/write head bouncing between so many different areas of the hard-drive. Just in time i remember it's talking about separate partitions on the same physical hard-drive. They just call them hard-drives because they think users are too dumb to understand the difference and need to be saved from all this complexity. I get really hacked off when people tell me this is easier than installing any GnuLinux distro. It's as though they had never actually tried either to comparecontrast. And the purpose of posting this to a libreofice list is.? -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped Homeland Security agents who fail to see the humor in Doctor Strangelove -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems?
[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Win7
Hi, Tom, I was going to give you a hard time about some of the stuff you wrote, but to quote it was going to take more editing time than I have. On 8/7/13 11:35 AM, Tom Davies wrote: I get really hacked off when people tell me this is easier than installing any GnuLinux distro. It's as though they had never actually tried either to comparecontrast. You sound like the MS Office user who switches to LO and then complains it doesn't work the same.LOL It's all in what you are familiar with. I have no problems dealing with Windows installs, I'm used to them. But you should have seen me with this Mac when I first got it. I was expecting it to work like Windows. Once I decided to learn how the Mac worked rather than assume it should/would work like Windows, I didn't have any problems. But, as of now, I can't do crap with any Linux except run a Live CD. So instead of complaining that it doesn't work like Windows or OS X, I'm going to go learn how it works first. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.4 Firefox 22.0 Thunderbird 17.0.7 LibreOffice 4.0.4.2 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Sequentially numberted tickets...
I have been asked to design and print numbered tickets for an event being organised by a Club to which my wife belongs. Starting from the left edge: (a) in the first third details of the event and a number. This is the stub (b) in the remaining two thirds there is an image to the left and then details of the event. This is the ticket (c) each ticket has two numbers (both the same) printed to justify right on the stub and on the ticket (d) each ticket spans the width of an A4 page (f) there are four tickets to an A4 page (g) the ticket will be perforated between the stub and the ticket to allow for easy detachment (h) Designing the ticket is not a problem. But how do I ensure that the numbers are printed sequentially in groups of two? Is it possible to do this on LibreOffice? I realise that it is possible to number each ticket on a A4 page and then print it but as it is looking like 150 tickets that looks like a lot of work. David -- David Love A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
