[libreoffice-users] LO 4.2.1.1 .docx file: partial text and images.
From time to time I receive .docx email attachments from local groups, such as colleges or community organizations, which may display with varying amounts of success. Recently, I received such a .docx as a mail attachment which only displays partial text. My goal is to gather sufficient information to file a meaningful bug report in the hopes of corrective action being taken to help make LibreOffice more robust by properly displaying documents such as this. If there is an unreleased fix or existing unresolved bug report, please inform me. The .docx file in question has 2 visible pictures (on left side of page), each in some sort of box of their own, and 3 other colored boxes (2 colored boxes in right side of page and one full width box across bottom third of page). One of the colored boxes (topmost rightmost) has text in it that I can see. The other 2 boxes (right-middle, and bottom) have no visible text. This is the problem area. I used 7-Zip to extract the .docx to files, and skimmed through the convoluted .xml soup -- using NotePad++ -- and found that the missing text was locations, times and topics for some guest speaker series. There may also be some embedded or inline images, as I recognized some base64 content mixed in as well. Perhaps bullet points or backgrounds. I did not explore further. I would share the offending document, but it is not completely anonymized, and I have no software with which to open it and anonymize and retain the same bug. Perhaps I could manually edit the .xml text areas. Then there are the images, which I must decade and save as external files, to anonymyze, re-encode, and then adjust any byte counts. Finally, not sure if 7-Zip can create the exact same zip container, or if that matters? I'd have to get the 7-Zip compression settings right, usually reduce dictionary and word size options to minimums (has worked for .xpi and .jar files in the past, why not .docx). Assuming I could anonymize and retain the errant behavior, would it then be helpful to determine the source of the bug? Can anyone think of any other troubleshooting I might try, either as LO/Writer options, or raw .xml edits, or both? Also note and please respect that within the context of this thread, I (and likely many others) have no interest to debate the wheretos and whyfors of assigning blame (to someone or something else), or denial that it is a compatibility problem (belonging to LO), or other evasive tacts. This is not a mere formatting problem to be ignored, simply because some text is fonted wrongly, image positioned oddly, and so on. Text here is not displaying at all. If I have to unarchive and muck about in .xml files, that speaks to me of an issue of compatibility which must be resolved or worked around in some way with a more graceful degradation of document quality than to drop things on the floor and walk away with fingers in ears singing, la la la can't hear you. In other similar threads over the years, I have noticed a peculiar tendency of some people to insist on inserting such defensive and evasive commentary any time an issue of compatibility is raised. Please don't waste time or energy on such responses, nor responding to such responses. It is not helpful to this specific issue at hand. Should a prolonged discussion of such things be so strongly desired by anyone, feel free to start a new thread on that specific topic, and leave this one alone. Perhaps I will then say a few words on the topic in that thread, sufficient to communicate most of these sentiments. But I ask please that such dialog not be included here, for the sake of a streamlined discussion. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO-4-2-1-1-docx-file-partial-text-and-images-tp4100085.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: The Document Foundation's response to Her Majesty's Government...
Do you think [OOXML] stands a chance with its incompatible changes between [each version], or [standardisation / xsd:boolean] fiasco? Or the lack of documentation and a heap of undocumented extensions [MSO] uses? There, fixed that for you. On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 09:31:06 +0700 Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: Tom Davies: Do you think ODF stands a chance with its incompatible changes between 1.0 and 1.1, or formulas fiasco? Or the lack of documentation and a heap of undocumented extensions AOO/LO uses? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Compress images
2014-03-05 6:57 GMT+01:00 Thomas ny...@hb.tp1.jp: (2014/03/05 12:23), Cley Faye wrote: 2014-02-28 2:16 GMT+01:00 Cley Faye cleyf...@gmail.com: If anyone want to give it a try here's the jar. It's highly unlikely to corrupt your source file (the source file is never ever written), but there's also no guarantee that the output will work ;) http://cleyfaye.net/share/odtcompress.jar That looks very promising, but, please forgive the stupid question, how do you use it? I downloaded the thing (whatever a jar may be) and when I click on it, a window opens, asking me about the desired image quality. But I do not know, how to specify source and/or target files. How do you do that? Hmm. I might have forgotten to include instructions in the jar, althouth there's a readme... in the source repository :\ There should be a File menu at the top of the window with Open and Save entries. On different systems the menu might show up somewhere else (I'm thinking mac and unity...) Also, I see you're replying to my first message; if you want to give it a try I highly suggest you use the last link I provided, as this version have a few bug fixed: https://github.com/CleyFaye/LOFiles/releases -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: [OT] LO 4.2.1.1 .docx file: partial text and images.
Off-topic digression follows. On 2014-03-05 05:04, Tom Davies wrote: Imagine a schoolkid getting beaten up every day by a bully How do you convince people of the truth? What happens if all the kids gang up together? In this analogy, who is the bully and who is the kid out of luck? I understand, you intend the bully to be the corporation and possibly the end-users, and the kid to be the free software project. All too often with free software projects (more so in the past decade than the one previous), it seems like there are multiple groups of antagonists. One group is usually a corporation, and the other is a group of bullies who make up the consensus of the developers and/or community support list. Both sides give the impression that they want nothing to change, nor do they care about common use cases which reveal problems. The end user who simply encounters a problem and would merely like to do whatever they are able to help troubleshoot something and improve the situation gets hostility from all sides. The end-user becomes conditioned to not want to provide any feedback whatsoever. The community then arrives at the delusion that there is no problem, and becomes further entrenched and hostile towards the next end-user. Meanwhile, end-users encounter this situation multiple times, year after year, with many other projects, eventually develop an aversion to any interaction with free software projects. At the very least with the community portion, anyways. On the other hand, if a project became too popular too fast, it could collapse from having too many users without adequate momentum. So I suppose actively discouraging people from using the software by bullying anyone who mentions any problem keeps the project alive at a certain stage. Quite a perverse dichotomy. Most unfortunate. Slightly amusing. Regardless -- and sometimes against my better judgement -- I still ping random projects from time to time when I encounter a problem, have an idea, or even a question, in the hopes that I get a friendly response and am welcomed to the opportunity to help make a difference. :) Although increasingly rare these days, it does happen, and those are the moments when I feel empowered, inspired and elevated, if only for a brief time, until I contribute a useful bug report or patch. That was the experience which initially drew me to free software, back when few people knew that free software existed. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO-4-2-1-1-docx-file-partial-text-and-images-tp4100085p4100115.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: The Document Foundation's response to Her Majesty's Government...
On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 09:31:06 +0700 Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: Tom Davies: Do you think ODF stands a chance with its incompatible changes between 1.0 and 1.1, or formulas fiasco? Or the lack of documentation and a heap of undocumented extensions AOO/LO uses? Do you think .doc[x] stands a chance with newer versions of proprietary software having the propensity to re-write existing documents into formats incompatible with older versions [1]; gratuitously wildly divergent user interfaces, from version-to-version, that violate all the tenets of POLA [2], and the per-seat expense of said proprietary software [3]? Do you think a Certain Large Software Company's stated goal of subverting or destroying commodity protocols [4] has been successful? [1] In a transparent attempt to persuade customers to continue the vicious, and expensive, upgrade cycle. [2] Principle Of Least Astonishment [3] See: [1] [4] If you've never seen them: The Halloween Documents: http://www.catb.org/~esr/halloween/ Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: The Document Foundation's response to Her Majesty's Government...
Hi :) Quite. It was only older versions of MS Office that had problems reading formulae. Everyone else was easily able to correctly implement the 800 page specification as set as an ISO standard. The 11,000 page OOXML ISO standard doesn't appear to have been correctly implemented by anyone, least of all MS Office. The undocumented changes with the various transitional versions and incompatibilities between them seem to create problems, as seen many times on this mailing-list. ODF is drawn up by a committee of hundreds of organisations (including MS) and therefore much less subject to the whimsical nature of a single profit-making organisation and less able to be made deliberately incompatible in order to sell more product as appears to be the case with OOXML implementations. The Extensions and such are nothing to do with the format at all. They are to do with the programs that implement the format. Personally i never use any. Some people use lots. [shrugs] Not a big deal either way. Regards from Tom :) On 5 March 2014 07:37, pete nikolic pg.nikol...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 09:31:06 +0700 Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: Tom Davies: Do you think ODF stands a chance with its incompatible changes between 1.0 and 1.1, or formulas fiasco? Or the lack of documentation and a heap of undocumented extensions AOO/LO uses? Still being paid by M$ Corp i see .. Tut Tut Tut Pete . -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] find and replace problem
Hi :) Why bother to replace all the double-spaces? Many people prefer it so you are pleasing one bunch of people but annoying another whole bunch. Imo it's more important for the document to be internally consistent. I often get handed documents which sometimes use double and sometimes single. Oth it might be your house style and that linked with branding so it might be important. It was that whole argument about changing fashions and how spaces after a full stop 'should' (according to some) be slightly longer than the space between words but 'should not' (according to others) be quite as much as a double-space Regards from Tom :) On 5 March 2014 07:31, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote: At 01:30 05/03/2014 -0500, Doug McGarrett wrote: Running LO version 4..1. Editing a three-page document which was written with double-spacing after a period. Tried with search and replace to fix that--tried twice--and both times it came up with the same number fixed but in reality in neither case were they actually fixed. To input this, I went to the search and replace window, and on the top replace I put two space-bar pushes, and on the bottom replace with I put one space-bar push. The Find Replace dialogue helpfully remembers items that you have previously used in the current session. You can obtain these from the drop-down list below each text box. If you start typing, items from the list will be suggested, prompting you in the text boxes themselves. My guess is that at some point you have used a double space in the Replace with box and it now appears in its list. When you now type a single space, LibreOffice fills in the second space automatically. Since spaces are by their nature invisible, you may not notice the additional highlighted space. The result is that your are replacing double spaces with double spaces: that would produce exactly the effect you describe. What must I do to make this work? Either: o Type the space. Press Delete to delete the suggested second space. Or: o Close LibreOffice to void the list. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] How to return accessible LibreOffice ? (Beginner)
Hi :) Christophe suggested using tagged Pdf which seems obvious with hindsight (as so many really good answers often do) Regard from Tom :) On 5 March 2014 10:16, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) Can anyone here help this university with advice on how to set-up their system? Would screen readers be better than braille? There are a lot of programs that can read aloud the words and things that appear on the screen. Braille devices are probably a lot rarer. Regards from Tom :) On 5 March 2014 07:39, Doriane-france doriane.laver...@unilim.fr wrote: Hello, I am French, I work in a university and I have to adapt an examination which takes place on computer to visual deficient people. A big part of the examination is made with LibreOffice, and I would want to know how to return LibreOffice an accessible maximum. For this, I know the PDF / UA project, where is this standard? Is he going to have extensions or anything there? The extension AccessODF verifies the accessibility of my created documents, odt2braille and odt2daisy are also installed, but there would be of other one options, extensions or methods to make accessible LibreOffice to the persons with visual impairment ? Could you help me please? Thank you in advance and please excuse me if my English is not correct. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/How-to-return-accessible-LibreOffice-Beginner-tp4100083.html Sent from the Accessibility mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] --convert-to issue
On 04/03/2014, Ed_0 x9...@mail.ru wrote: Hi, I would like to know, why does libreoffice open up after running in a terminal libreoffice --convert-to odt *.doc? It should not do this. Check your installation again. (E.g: http://www.mail-archive.com/users%40global.libreoffice.org/msg12280.html http://www.mail-archive.com/users%40global.libreoffice.org/msg33265.html What if I want a recursive behaviour? Try: libreoffice --convert-to odt ./*.doc -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] pls. add a link to your PGP keys (the code signing keys) to the download page/s, and other places
Hi :) Err, is this soemthing for the websites team? I'm trying to send the message to them but i often don't get through Regards from Tom :) On 4 March 2014 22:11, Thomas Gries m...@tgries.de wrote: pls. add a link to your PGP key/s with which the detached signatures (*.asc) files are made * to the download page/s * to https://www.libreoffice.org/advisories/ * and these link/hashes pages like http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/stable/4.2.1/win/x86/LibreOffice_4.2.1_Win_x86.msi.mirrorlist -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Compress images
Hi :) You generally put the source file straight after a command and then the target file (hopefully avoiding over-writing an existing file!) after that. So it's typically command parameter (tags and such) existing-file resulting-file usually written in instructions as command source target On a unix-based command-line the number of spaces doesn't seem to matter but people generally only use 1 space. I've used more just to make it clearer. Errr, did someone say they just clicked on it?? Regards from Tom :) On 5 March 2014 05:57, Thomas ny...@hb.tp1.jp wrote: (2014/03/05 12:23), Cley Faye wrote: 2014-02-28 2:16 GMT+01:00 Cley Faye cleyf...@gmail.com: If anyone want to give it a try here's the jar. It's highly unlikely to corrupt your source file (the source file is never ever written), but there's also no guarantee that the output will work ;) http://cleyfaye.net/share/odtcompress.jar That looks very promising, but, please forgive the stupid question, how do you use it? I downloaded the thing (whatever a jar may be) and when I click on it, a window opens, asking me about the desired image quality. But I do not know, how to specify source and/or target files. How do you do that? As said, it should not damage anything; the worst outcome possible is the output file being incorrect, so as long as you don't choose to save over an existing file, you should be safe to try. If there is a high demand I might keep on improving the code... :-) maybe also expand it with more tools, like basic recovery of damaged files, things like that. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reply-To?
Hi :) [sighs deeply] So some people on this mailing-list demand that we all change which email-client we use to the one that they use and then set it to a non-default way. Many of us disagree with that sort of philosophy, especially for a User Support mailing-list. In my opinion we should be accommodating and accept what-ever they use. We can make suggestions, of course, but demands and expectations are unreasonable. There are bigger issues for us. 1. getting people to accept the native format used by so many different office suites and programs (ODF) 2. helping people to move away from proprietary vendor lock-ins and move towards LO, AOO, google-docs, Caligra/KOffice, Gnome Office, or any of the others that use ODF natively 3. helping people naturally gravitate towards LibreOffice due to it's merits Obviously item 3 is a quick short-cut to 1 and 2. Getting or demanding that people change their e-mail clients don't achieve any of those aims and may even hinder them as being 1 blocker too many. Regards from Tom :) On 5 March 2014 00:37, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: On 03/04/2014 02:40 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 3/4/2014 1:51 PM, Carl Paulsen carlpaul...@comcast.net wrote: I still see no Smart Reply but in the email window itself Like I said... YOU HAVE TO ADD IT. Right-click (CMD-Click on a Mac) in the email Header pane, and click 'Customize'. Then you should be able to drag-remove the plain Reply button, and drag-add the Smart Reply button. I'm using Thunderbird latest rev (24.3.0) in PCLOS, and customize only shows the usual reply stuff --reply, reply all, reply list. Also, at the top of that window that oopens, it says you can drag things to/ from the tool bar to suit yourself, but you can't. You cannot drag anything, with either the left or the right button. So the Mac must be different. --doug -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reply-To?
On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 11:46:00 + Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) [sighs deeply] So some people on this mailing-list demand that we all change which email-client we use to the one that they use and then set it to a non-default way. [snip] I only recall seeing one suggestion that people change their email client app. Otherwise it's been observations about how many (most?) other mailing lists handle participation and Reply-to, along with some comments about how individuals handle it, themselves. Personally: Other than preferring people *not* Reply-all to my posts, because I find receiving duplicates annoying, I don't care. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] find and replace problem
On 03/05/2014 02:31 AM, Brian Barker wrote: At 01:30 05/03/2014 -0500, Doug McGarrett wrote: Running LO version 4..1. Editing a three-page document which was written with double-spacing after a period. Tried with search and replace to fix that--tried twice--and both times it came up with the same number fixed but in reality in neither case were they actually fixed. To input this, I went to the search and replace window, and on the top replace I put two space-bar pushes, and on the bottom replace with I put one space-bar push. The Find Replace dialogue helpfully remembers items that you have previously used in the current session. You can obtain these from the drop-down list below each text box. If you start typing, items from the list will be suggested, prompting you in the text boxes themselves. My guess is that at some point you have used a double space in the Replace with box and it now appears in its list. When you now type a single space, LibreOffice fills in the second space automatically. Since spaces are by their nature invisible, you may not notice the additional highlighted space. The result is that your are replacing double spaces with double spaces: that would produce exactly the effect you describe. What must I do to make this work? Either: o Type the space. Press Delete to delete the suggested second space. Or: o Close LibreOffice to void the list. I trust this helps. Brian Barker I use copy/paste in the boxes. I copy the double space, and then paste it in the find box. Then I just copy a single space and put it in the replace box. Then I would click the replace all button. That may work for you. I rarely type in the find text for a replace all option. It seems easier to just do a copy/paste of the first text needing changing. Actually, I know there are a few different spaces out there with different widths. Hopefully that should not be your case. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [OT] LO 4.2.1.1 .docx file: partial text and images.
Hi :) Actually the kid WAS all the end-users. This mailing-list is almost entirely end-users. We are here to help each other and learn new tricks. So are almost all of the devs (also end users) and everyone else in the project. The whole reason for this entire project is that we DO want change. There most definitely IS a problem and it's one we experience almost every day, whether or not new end-users write in to the mailing list about it. Almost all of us can remember being in exactly the same situation (or very similar) to the one you are currently in. The same one that many people face when using MS Office. So our devs do put in an enormous amount of work into finding problematic DocX files, then reverse engineering it to find out what quirk got added into the spec without being documented and then rewriting the filters to deal with the problem. The problem then is that MS can easily just sprinkle some new little quirks with almost no effort at all. So all non-MS programs have to put tons more effort into trying to find those new ones and reverse engineering and then fixing. Often these projects share the results so that a lot of them become able to read the quirky We have already seen the result of what happens when MS format is able to be used by everyone and finally becomes fully interoperable as they keep promising it will be. When that happened a few years ago (with Doc, Xls, Ppt etc) they seemed to choose that moment to change to the completely different format. While you might feel that people are being hostile against you it is more likely that you have just hit a raw nerve and that they are ranting against the world in general and feel like you might be a sympathetic ear because of what you have only just found. So it's not really against you, it's more WITH you. Things ARE changing though. People are starting to use uneditable formats (Pdf) and moving to expensive editors to edit them. Less insane is the increasing momentum towards using ODF (Odt, Ods, Odp etc) and often to the free programs and suites that use them natively. Governments, organisations and corporations all seem to be moving towards ODF, or at least the ideals of it. Sometimes they get tricked into thinking that OOXML or Rtf delivers on it's promises but then they find that no-one else can use those formats except MS Office. It's at that point that things become interesting. Some blame ALL the other programs and suites, which is what i did initially and also what you did in your first post. It takes a while to realise that if ALL other programs are having a problem with the MS format then maybe it's a problem with the format. After all why would they ALL deliberately make it difficult for themselves to gain market-share? Maybe it is a problem with the format. Then researching into the format itself, rather than just blindly accepting MS's excuses, does start to raise interesting questions. Why are there 3 different transitional formats? Why can't they make a format that DOES do what they promise? Surely it's not out of stupidity or incompetance on the part of MS's devs!? Why do they have so much trouble implementing ODF when everyone else finds it so easy? Regards from Tom :) On 5 March 2014 12:00, warp9pnt9 warp9p...@gmail.com wrote: Off-topic digression follows. On 2014-03-05 05:04, Tom Davies wrote: Imagine a schoolkid getting beaten up every day by a bully How do you convince people of the truth? What happens if all the kids gang up together? In this analogy, who is the bully and who is the kid out of luck? I understand, you intend the bully to be the corporation and possibly the end-users, and the kid to be the free software project. All too often with free software projects (more so in the past decade than the one previous), it seems like there are multiple groups of antagonists. One group is usually a corporation, and the other is a group of bullies who make up the consensus of the developers and/or community support list. Both sides give the impression that they want nothing to change, nor do they care about common use cases which reveal problems. The end user who simply encounters a problem and would merely like to do whatever they are able to help troubleshoot something and improve the situation gets hostility from all sides. The end-user becomes conditioned to not want to provide any feedback whatsoever. The community then arrives at the delusion that there is no problem, and becomes further entrenched and hostile towards the next end-user. Meanwhile, end-users encounter this situation multiple times, year after year, with many other projects, eventually develop an aversion to any interaction with free software projects. At the very least with the community portion, anyways. On the other hand, if a project became too popular too fast, it could collapse from having too many users without adequate momentum. So I suppose actively
[libreoffice-users] Re: --convert-to issue
On 04/03/14 19:56, null wrote: Hello, I think the reason why LibreOffice is popping up after you run a --convert-to command is that you are not using --headless. The flag --headless hides the LibreOffice GUI, and only performs the operation specified. Also, it doesn't look like wildcards (the * that you used to indicate all the files in a directory) work with LibreOffice. I tested this command in a folder with a bunch of .doc files in it: soffice --headless --convert-to odt *.doc It did not produce any output. However, the following command works correctly, and does not load LibreOffice afterwords: soffice --headless --convert-to odt mydocfile.doc (You would use the libreoffice command as it appears you are using Linux, but because I am using Windows, I have to use soffice.) So, since wildcards (at least for me) don't work with LibreOffice, you would have to create a script (if you wanted some kind of recursive automation that you mentioned) that looped through the files that you wanted to convert and ran the --convert-to command separately for each one. You can also use --outdir to change the output directory. Here is an AskLO thread that may be useful: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/2641/convert-to-command-line-parameter/ I hope this helps! Regards, xmlhttprequest.o...@gmail.com On 3/4/2014 4:34 PM, Ed_0 wrote: Hi, I would like to know, why does libreoffice open up after running in a terminal libreoffice --convert-to odt *.doc? What if I want a recursive behaviour? Thank you for answering. Sincerely. Hi, Just tried libreoffice --headless --convert-to odt *.doc* and it worked like a charm. Thank you! Kind regards, Ed -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Password management in libre office
Sir, I m doing project on libre office in retrieval or reset of password set as security password for document can be done if it matches with the hint image set along with password // kindly guide which module or file deals with the password management system in libre office /// regards Rajiv Yadav -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: The Document Foundation's response to Her Majesty's Government...
Jim, I just have to ask. Are you the same Jim Seymour who used to do battle with John Dvorak in the PC magazines? Virgil On 3/5/2014 7:50 AM, Jim Seymour wrote: On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 09:31:06 +0700 Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: Tom Davies: Do you think ODF stands a chance with its incompatible changes between 1.0 and 1.1, or formulas fiasco? Or the lack of documentation and a heap of undocumented extensions AOO/LO uses? Do you think .doc[x] stands a chance with newer versions of proprietary software having the propensity to re-write existing documents into formats incompatible with older versions [1]; gratuitously wildly divergent user interfaces, from version-to-version, that violate all the tenets of POLA [2], and the per-seat expense of said proprietary software [3]? Do you think a Certain Large Software Company's stated goal of subverting or destroying commodity protocols [4] has been successful? [1] In a transparent attempt to persuade customers to continue the vicious, and expensive, upgrade cycle. [2] Principle Of Least Astonishment [3] See: [1] [4] If you've never seen them: The Halloween Documents: http://www.catb.org/~esr/halloween/ Regards, Jim -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reply-To?
On 3/4/2014 3:01 PM, Carl Paulsen carlpaul...@comcast.net wrote: OK, thanks, this helps. I hadn't understood that the only way to ADD the button was to right-click. Sometimes it's helpful to be explicit. Not everyone knows all the details of every software. From my original email: On 3/4/2014 10:37 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: Also, you have to manually add it (right-click in the header Customize), I always remove the normal Reply button and add the Smart Reply button. Sometimes you have to actually read emails to grok their content... ;) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reply-To?
On 3/4/2014 3:01 PM, Carl Paulsen carlpaul...@comcast.net wrote: So I had the Reply Lists (or Smart Reply?) button on individual email windows all along (whether showing all headers or not). NO. There is a separate 'Reply List' button. There is a 'Smart Reply' button. Two different buttons. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reply-To?
On 3/4/2014 7:37 PM, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: I'm using Thunderbird latest rev (24.3.0) in PCLOS, and customize only shows the usual reply stuff --reply, reply all, reply list. Are you customizing the MAIN Menu Toolbar (at the very top), or the MAIL HEADER Toolbar (that contains the To/From/Subject/Date/Time header details)? Again, the 'Smart Reply' button is ONLY available in the HEADER toolbar. That said, I don't have a Mac, so cannot confirm/deny that this button is or is not available on the Mac version, although I would be *very* surprised if it weren't. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
This isn't the droid you're looking for (was: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: The Document Foundation's response to Her Majesty's Government...)
On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 10:42:20 -0500 Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: Jim, I just have to ask. Are you the same Jim Seymour who used to do battle with John Dvorak in the PC magazines? [snip] Been quite a few years since I got this question. That could be only if I was emailing from the beyond: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,613757,00.asp No, thankfully, I'm a different Jim Seymour entirely. Beside our current positions relative to the Earth's surface, there are several other differences... That Jim Seymour was a big guy. So am I, but mostly vertically, rather than, well... sideways. That Jim Seymour had hair. Me? Not so much... anymore. (But mine was curly, like his, when I had it.) That Jim Seymour liked MS-Win PCs. Me? *cough* Not so much, and we'd best leave it at that ;) Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: --convert-to issue
On 05/03/14 10:08, e-letter wrote: On 04/03/2014, Ed_0 x9...@mail.ru wrote: Hi, I would like to know, why does libreoffice open up after running in a terminal libreoffice --convert-to odt *.doc? It should not do this. Check your installation again. (E.g: http://www.mail-archive.com/users%40global.libreoffice.org/msg12280.html http://www.mail-archive.com/users%40global.libreoffice.org/msg33265.html What if I want a recursive behaviour? Try: libreoffice --convert-to odt ./*.doc Hi, 1) Hmm, I didn't understand those links, the errors displayed are these: javaldx: Could not find a Java Runtime Environment! Warning: failed to read path from javaldx 2) I'm not an expert or a sysadmin but I read some books about Linux. ls and ls . or ls ./ is the same. 3) I tried with - $ libreoffice --headless --convert-to odt $(ls -R) - $ libreoffice --headless --convert-to odt file ls -R - $ libreoffice --headless --convert-to odt $(find . -name *.docx*) - $ libreoffice --headless --convert-to odt $(find . -name *.docx*) --outdir dir/ and it didn't work out... I know very little Bash and some C. I think a script it's a better idea. It has to execute the libreoffice command in each directory so that the outdir is that directory. I wish somebody could code it. If not, I will do it myself in the future. Sincerely, Ed -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reply-To?
On 3/5/2014 11:02 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: Again, the 'Smart Reply' button is ONLY available in the HEADER toolbar. And more importantly, can only be ADDED TO the EMail Header Toolbar, NOT the main Menu toolbar up top. If you are trying to drag it to the top one, it will not work. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: --convert-to issue
On 2014-03-06 05:51, Ed_0 wrote: On 05/03/14 10:08, e-letter wrote: On 04/03/2014, Ed_0 x9...@mail.ru wrote: Hi, I would like to know, why does libreoffice open up after running in a terminal libreoffice --convert-to odt *.doc? It should not do this. Check your installation again. (E.g: http://www.mail-archive.com/users%40global.libreoffice.org/msg12280.html http://www.mail-archive.com/users%40global.libreoffice.org/msg33265.html What if I want a recursive behaviour? Try: libreoffice --convert-to odt ./*.doc Hi, 1) Hmm, I didn't understand those links, the errors displayed are these: javaldx: Could not find a Java Runtime Environment! Warning: failed to read path from javaldx 2) I'm not an expert or a sysadmin but I read some books about Linux. ls and ls . or ls ./ is the same. 3) I tried with - $ libreoffice --headless --convert-to odt $(ls -R) - $ libreoffice --headless --convert-to odt file ls -R - $ libreoffice --headless --convert-to odt $(find . -name *.docx*) - $ libreoffice --headless --convert-to odt $(find . -name *.docx*) --outdir dir/ and it didn't work out... I know very little Bash and some C. I think a script it's a better idea. It has to execute the libreoffice command in each directory so that the outdir is that directory. I wish somebody could code it. If not, I will do it myself in the future. Sincerely, Ed Hi. What are you trying to achieve. I have to run a script to convert all older documents on our server to newer ODF format. I am going to do that by regression into the directory specified as the parameter to the script when called. I haven't got round to it yet as it is not required until I update LO, but is that what you are after. Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: --convert-to issue
Hi :) Not sure about most of that but point 2 ls is the same as ls . and ls ./ it's just a bit of cleverness to try to get around weird limitations. There shouldn't be any difference but what should be and what is are sometimes different. From the summary, i agree that it would be nice to have a neat little gui program to pointclick on but the point being made here was that its an incredibly trivial thing to do and multiple easy ways of doing it without going to much effort at all. Despite it being really trivial in LO/AOO and probably other office suites and programs it's an option apparently not offered by MS Office and therefore considered rocket science. It might be nice to point it out in consultation exercises. Regards from Tom :) On 5 March 2014 16:51, Ed_0 x9...@mail.ru wrote: On 05/03/14 10:08, e-letter wrote: On 04/03/2014, Ed_0 x9...@mail.ru wrote: Hi, I would like to know, why does libreoffice open up after running in a terminal libreoffice --convert-to odt *.doc? It should not do this. Check your installation again. (E.g: http://www.mail-archive.com/users%40global.libreoffice.org/msg12280.html http://www.mail-archive.com/users%40global.libreoffice.org/msg33265.html What if I want a recursive behaviour? Try: libreoffice --convert-to odt ./*.doc Hi, 1) Hmm, I didn't understand those links, the errors displayed are these: javaldx: Could not find a Java Runtime Environment! Warning: failed to read path from javaldx 2) I'm not an expert or a sysadmin but I read some books about Linux. ls and ls . or ls ./ is the same. 3) I tried with - $ libreoffice --headless --convert-to odt $(ls -R) - $ libreoffice --headless --convert-to odt file ls -R - $ libreoffice --headless --convert-to odt $(find . -name *.docx*) - $ libreoffice --headless --convert-to odt $(find . -name *.docx*) --outdir dir/ and it didn't work out... I know very little Bash and some C. I think a script it's a better idea. It has to execute the libreoffice command in each directory so that the outdir is that directory. I wish somebody could code it. If not, I will do it myself in the future. Sincerely, Ed -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] iMac can't open LibreOffice 4.1.5 updater -- wrong file format?
RE: your updater from MacOSX currently-installed Version: 4.1.4.2 Build ID: 0a0440ccc0227ad9829de5f46be37cfb6edcf72 was supposed to download 4.1.5 ... but this version downloaded instead and in a format I can't open. Should I try to run an updater for this? An automatic notice asking me to click on the icon in the menubar prompted me to visit your site today. And while there I tried the donate page. When I first saw this I didn't because it wasn't a secure page; but today I tried initiating a donation and then the secure page opened. OK, done. However, the download page was confusing to me. The icon in the green bar with download and an arrow on it didn't trigger any process as I would normally have expected. Eventually I tried a hypertext link which resulted in the impasse shown in the screen capture, i.e. that it's in a format my Mac doesn't recognize. I currently have Lion 10.7.5 running. Is there a file format and a clear download button for Macs? Thank you for the user manuals which I downloaded in this program's format. (I don't want pdf versions anymore because Adobe's client program so often fails to open downloaded files.) Thank you for any suggestions. Mary-Sue Haliburton Ontario, Canada -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] find and replace problem
At 08:49 05/03/2014 -0500, Tim Lungstrom wrote: On 03/05/2014 02:31 AM, Brian Barker wrote: At 01:30 05/03/2014 -0500, Doug McGarrett wrote: Running LO version 4..1. Editing a three-page document which was written with double-spacing after a period. Tried with search and replace to fix that--tried twice--and both times it came up with the same number fixed but in reality in neither case were they actually fixed. To input this, I went to the search and replace window, and on the top replace I put two space-bar pushes, and on the bottom replace with I put one space-bar push. The Find Replace dialogue helpfully remembers items that you have previously used in the current session. You can obtain these from the drop-down list below each text box. If you start typing, items from the list will be suggested, prompting you in the text boxes themselves. My guess is that at some point you have used a double space in the Replace with box and it now appears in its list. When you now type a single space, LibreOffice fills in the second space automatically. Since spaces are by their nature invisible, you may not notice the additional highlighted space. The result is that your are replacing double spaces with double spaces: that would produce exactly the effect you describe. What must I do to make this work? Either: o Type the space. Press Delete to delete the suggested second space. Or: o Close LibreOffice to void the list. I use copy/paste in the boxes. I copy the double space, and then paste it in the find box. [...] I rarely type in the find text for a replace all option. It seems easier to just do a copy/paste of the first text needing changing. Then you are wasting your time. Even more easily, you can select the required text before opening the Find Replace dialogue. You will then find the selected text already in the Search for box: no need to copy and paste. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] --convert-to issue
Hi :) Oooo, i wish someone had posted either of those conversion methods (scripting and command-line using ./ as a trick to say in the current folder seemingly unnecessarily) in the recent Uk Gov proposal to move to ODF. Of the tiny percentage of objections the point about converting existing documents was used as the main reason for having to move to OOXML! I pointed out that command-line and scripts would find it easier to convert directly from Doc to Odt but actually knowing a command to do so would have been fantastic! Regards from Tom :) On 5 March 2014 13:08, e-letter inp...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/03/2014, Ed_0 x9...@mail.ru wrote: Hi, I would like to know, why does libreoffice open up after running in a terminal libreoffice --convert-to odt *.doc? It should not do this. Check your installation again. (E.g: http://www.mail-archive.com/users%40global.libreoffice.org/msg12280.html http://www.mail-archive.com/users%40global.libreoffice.org/msg33265.html What if I want a recursive behaviour? Try: libreoffice --convert-to odt ./*.doc -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: The Document Foundation's response to Her Majesty's Government...
Jim Seymour: proprietary software Irrelevant. having the propensity to re-write existing documents into formats incompatible with older versions [1]; Impossible. gratuitously wildly divergent user interfaces Document formats cannot have UI. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] How to return accessible LibreOffice ? (Beginner)
Hi :) Can anyone here help this university with advice on how to set-up their system? Would screen readers be better than braille? There are a lot of programs that can read aloud the words and things that appear on the screen. Braille devices are probably a lot rarer. Regards from Tom :) On 5 March 2014 07:39, Doriane-france doriane.laver...@unilim.fr wrote: Hello, I am French, I work in a university and I have to adapt an examination which takes place on computer to visual deficient people. A big part of the examination is made with LibreOffice, and I would want to know how to return LibreOffice an accessible maximum. For this, I know the PDF / UA project, where is this standard? Is he going to have extensions or anything there? The extension AccessODF verifies the accessibility of my created documents, odt2braille and odt2daisy are also installed, but there would be of other one options, extensions or methods to make accessible LibreOffice to the persons with visual impairment ? Could you help me please? Thank you in advance and please excuse me if my English is not correct. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/How-to-return-accessible-LibreOffice-Beginner-tp4100083.html Sent from the Accessibility mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.2.1.1 .docx file: partial text and images.
Hi :) Please file a bug-report with MS Office for failing to implement their own format as per their ISO specifications. The file(s) that you have trouble opening are likely to also be difficult or even impossible to open in many versions of MS Office. You really need to be using the same version of MS Office as the creator of the document. Try it! You might be amazed. Microsoft themselves state that the DocX version in 2007 is a transitional version (=not the same as the ISO spec), as is the one in 2010 and the default ones in 2013 and 365. In Ms Office 2013 it is possible to use Save As to use their current strict version of DocX which is supposedly a lot closer to their ISO version. Such files often rely on someone using a non-MS program to open, make a few changes (such as anonymising information) and then saving into a more standards-compliant version of DocX or even better into a format that everyone can use. Microsoft's various different implementations appear to have a large proprietary components which are apparently copyright protected, preventing non-MS implementations from being able to read their files properly. By attempting to create filters to properly read the various implementations of DocX non-MS companies put themselves at risk of court action! This is NOT an excuse and NOT anyone being defensive about it and it is NOT an evasive tactic. It's one of the reasons why various companies, governments and organisations are moving (or already have moved) away from MS formats (which appear to fail any of their promises of interoperability, just as Rtf did (see relevant court case)) and towards a truly Open Document Format (which has been successfully implemented by many programs, on many platforms for years and is not reliant on the whims of any single vendor or company or commercial interest (unlike DocX)). The best bet for exchanging files is to refuse to accept DocX and ask for the file to be sent in a format which everyone can use, either Doc (the older MS format which MS dropped just after everyone else was able to implement it) or Odt. Note that in 10-20 years files in DocX format are likely to be extremely difficult to open because the various implementations are not properly written up anywhere. Each ODF format IS properly drawn up and the specification is available for free from OASIS or, for a charge through, the ISO governing body. The DocX specification available, for a charge, through the ISO organisation is not the same as any implementation except the non-default one in MS Office 2013. So, your options for opening the file properly is to 1. Find out which version of MS Office was used to create the file and one which version of Windows. Then buy that version of Windows and that version of MS Office. 2. Try out various programs until you stumble onto the one that can open that version of DocX (and cross your fingers that MS doesn't take them to court because of it) 3. Ask the person sending the unreadable files to upgrade to a more recent version of MS Office (this is the advice you would get from the rest of the MS world) 4. Ask the person to please send in a more compatible format, such as Doc or Odt, this is the option the non-MS world generally advise. Many people are now sending Pdfs insted of editable versions of documents specifically because this whole formats issue has become such a nightmare. If you ask the originator to send as a PDF then you will probably find that many other people have made the same request of them. Just to be clear i am just a volunteer here and do NOT represent any official viewpoint of TDF or anyone else associated with LibreOffice or ODF. On many of the mailing lists here i am on moderation and/or have often been threatened with being removed from the mailing lists because my views are unpopular outside of the normal users peer-led support mailing list. It's similar for quite a few of us here. Regards from Tom :) On 5 March 2014 07:59, warp9pnt9 warp9p...@gmail.com wrote: From time to time I receive .docx email attachments from local groups, such as colleges or community organizations, which may display with varying amounts of success. Recently, I received such a .docx as a mail attachment which only displays partial text. My goal is to gather sufficient information to file a meaningful bug report in the hopes of corrective action being taken to help make LibreOffice more robust by properly displaying documents such as this. If there is an unreleased fix or existing unresolved bug report, please inform me. The .docx file in question has 2 visible pictures (on left side of page), each in some sort of box of their own, and 3 other colored boxes (2 colored boxes in right side of page and one full width box across bottom third of page). One of the colored boxes (topmost rightmost) has text in it that I can see. The other 2 boxes (right-middle, and bottom) have no visible text. This is the problem
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: --convert-to issue
On 05/03/2014 20:16, Steve Edmonds wrote: On 2014-03-06 05:51, Ed_0 wrote: On 05/03/14 10:08, e-letter wrote: On 04/03/2014, Ed_0 x9...@mail.ru wrote: Hi, I would like to know, why does libreoffice open up after running in a terminal libreoffice --convert-to odt *.doc? It should not do this. Check your installation again. (E.g: http://www.mail-archive.com/users%40global.libreoffice.org/msg12280.html http://www.mail-archive.com/users%40global.libreoffice.org/msg33265.html What if I want a recursive behaviour? Try: libreoffice --convert-to odt ./*.doc Hi, 1) Hmm, I didn't understand those links, the errors displayed are these: javaldx: Could not find a Java Runtime Environment! Warning: failed to read path from javaldx 2) I'm not an expert or a sysadmin but I read some books about Linux. ls and ls . or ls ./ is the same. 3) I tried with - $ libreoffice --headless --convert-to odt $(ls -R) - $ libreoffice --headless --convert-to odt file ls -R - $ libreoffice --headless --convert-to odt $(find . -name *.docx*) - $ libreoffice --headless --convert-to odt $(find . -name *.docx*) --outdir dir/ and it didn't work out... I know very little Bash and some C. I think a script it's a better idea. It has to execute the libreoffice command in each directory so that the outdir is that directory. I wish somebody could code it. If not, I will do it myself in the future. Sincerely, Ed Hi. What are you trying to achieve. I have to run a script to convert all older documents on our server to newer ODF format. I am going to do that by regression into the directory specified as the parameter to the script when called. I haven't got round to it yet as it is not required until I update LO, but is that what you are after. Steve Another way is to use the wizard in libreoffice (File Wizards Document Converter ) from a PC on the same network than the server and using a network share. We used this solution to convert tons of documents in order to avoid CPU charge on servers that were used for other purposes and it was nice (only I/O on the servers). We were able to parallelize tasks with multiple PCs, each one was dealing with a dedicated sub-directory of the share. Just my 2 cents. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: This isn't the droid you're looking for
Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't aware that *the* Jim Seymour had passed. (Shows how long it's been since I looked at a PC magazine.) But, you write so knowledgeably about computers that I naturally assumed that you were he. Virgil On 3/5/2014 11:26 AM, Jim Seymour wrote: On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 10:42:20 -0500 Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: Jim, I just have to ask. Are you the same Jim Seymour who used to do battle with John Dvorak in the PC magazines? [snip] Been quite a few years since I got this question. That could be only if I was emailing from the beyond: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,613757,00.asp No, thankfully, I'm a different Jim Seymour entirely. Beside our current positions relative to the Earth's surface, there are several other differences... That Jim Seymour was a big guy. So am I, but mostly vertically, rather than, well... sideways. That Jim Seymour had hair. Me? Not so much... anymore. (But mine was curly, like his, when I had it.) That Jim Seymour liked MS-Win PCs. Me? *cough* Not so much, and we'd best leave it at that ;) Regards, Jim -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: --convert-to issue
On 05/03/2014, Ed_0 x9...@mail.ru wrote: 1) Hmm, I didn't understand those links, the errors displayed are these: javaldx: Could not find a Java Runtime Environment! Warning: failed to read path from javaldx You have another problem; activation of hyperlinks doesn't require java... 2) I'm not an expert or a sysadmin but I read some books about Linux. ls and ls . or ls ./ is the same. Depends on the subject; filenames with undesirable characters (e.g. m$ people adding spaces, strokes (/, \) etc.) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] LO GB help section
Why is it that the Help section of the American version of LO works perfectly well and the GB does not? When I install the help section it puts me online instead of residing in the program as the US version does! Daniel -- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO GB help section
Daniel You need to go to Options - Language settings - Languages and make sure that both User interface and Locale setting are set to English(UK). You should then get the inbuilt help. Graham On 6 March 2014 05:39, Daniel dan...@onvol.net wrote: Why is it that the Help section of the American version of LO works perfectly well and the GB does not? When I install the help section it puts me online instead of residing in the program as the US version does! Daniel -- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
