Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [Sclug] (no subject)

[Alan B]

On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 2:38 AM, David Lang  wrote:

> googling for "grub2 windows parition" finds several pages that look
> promising
>
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/110698/add-windows-to-my-boot-menu
>
> suggests running update-grub and it should detect the windows partition.
>


> On Fri, 2 May 2014, jelan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Jon upgraded from Kubuntu 13.10 to Kubuntu 14.04. In the process Grub2
>> lost his Windows (XP) boot option. Jon is willing to use Linux but not to
>> the exclusion of Windows.
>>
>> I also upgraded but I think I use legacy Grub as my boot loader. In any
>> case I did not lose my Windows (Vista) boot option.
>>
>
Not sure if this is on target but... I have had dual boot for quite a
while. Windows 7 and whatever is the latest Ubuntu with Ubuntu being the
default boot. The Ubuntu upgrade to 14.04 broke grub so the machine
wouldn't even boot.

After some panic I found some posts that help me develop the following
solution that was quite pain free
https://plus.google.com/10168442054679206/posts/hGPDqdiRFRs

The short of it
- created a bootable "SuperGrub" disk
- booted my system from it
- use BootRepair to restore the boot options/order

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Need help with Base

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Dohh!  MariaDb is definitely not owned by Oracle!  They forked away from
Oracle's brand just as LO did and for much the same reasons.
Regards from
Tom :)


On 5 May 2014 23:13, Ian Whitfield  wrote:

>
> +100 Wolfgang!!!
>
> I fell in the same hole!!! PostgreSQL or MySQL is the ONLY way to go.
>
> IanW
>
>
> On 05/05/2014 05:44 PM, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
>
>> I'm new user of LO Base, we are transitioning from MS Access, and I
>>> need to redesign our db from it.
>>>
>> One word of advice based on experience:
>>
>> Avoid use of the "built in" database.
>>
>> Use a proper client-server RDBMS. Preferrably PostgreSQL, as it's
>> reliable and the driver comes with LO.
>>
>> Otherwise you *will* regret it the day your data has gone to Nirvana.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Wolfgang
>>
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Need help with Base

[Ian Whitfield]

+100 Wolfgang!!!

I fell in the same hole!!! PostgreSQL or MySQL is the ONLY way to go.

IanW

On 05/05/2014 05:44 PM, Wolfgang Keller wrote:

I'm new user of LO Base, we are transitioning from MS Access, and I
need to redesign our db from it.

One word of advice based on experience:

Avoid use of the "built in" database.

Use a proper client-server RDBMS. Preferrably PostgreSQL, as it's
reliable and the driver comes with LO.

Otherwise you *will* regret it the day your data has gone to Nirvana.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Need help with Base

[Girvin Herr]

I have not been tracking MS Access system design since version 1.1, but 
back then Access did have an external database back-end (server) engine 
called Jet.  Jet was bundled in with Access, much like Base uses HSQLDB, 
but I think it could be used by other front-end clients than Access.  
So, the MS Access client-server  topology was not that unlike Base.  
Base just allows one to get out of the MS Access proprietary "silo" and 
allow much more control of the database system.


For the record, I am using MySQL with Base, soon to be switching to 
MariaDB.  I have not needed to use any macros in my work with Base forms 
or reports.  I have made it a point to avoid macros because they are 
very client-dependent and they would lock me in to a specific client, 
much as the MS Access macros in your database are causing you problems 
now.  I have been able to do some of what you are needing to do with 
forms, only I used queries.  Many of my forms have list boxes where I 
select one of a list of options to be inserted into a database field.  
Although I have not used it, there is another type of drop-down listbox 
that presents options, but if an option not in the list is needed, the 
user may enter that option into the field.  I may have misread your 
posting, but that may be what you need.  I can see that there are times 
when macros would be the only answer to a problem, such as with custom 
forms, but my recommendation is to avoid them whenever you can.

Girvin Herr


On 05/05/2014 12:28 PM, milica wrote:

Thanks,
Actually, that base in ms access is kind of start point, and needs to be
more developed,so I have to learn LO macros anyway :(
  I'm reading the book OpenOffice.org Macros Explained (great book!), and
making new version in LO but in LO Calc.
Thank you once again :))


On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 7:29 PM, TomD [via Document Foundation Mail Archive]
 wrote:


Hi :)
Good point!!

An external database is a really good approach.  Many people go for MySql
or MariaDb (unless using a Mac) but that's owned by Oracle and some worry
about the future of "free" or "Open Source" under Oracle.  Many go for
faster, lighter java back-ends such as Hsqldb as an external but others
worry about the whole java issue.

So Postgresql might well be a good choice.  They have put a lot of work
into building a decent connector for Base.
Regards from
Tom :)







On 5 May 2014 15:44, Wolfgang Keller <[hidden 
email]>
wrote:


I'm new user of LO Base, we are transitioning from MS Access, and I
need to redesign our db from it.

One word of advice based on experience:

Avoid use of the "built in" database.

Use a proper client-server RDBMS. Preferrably PostgreSQL, as it's
reliable and the driver comes with LO.

Otherwise you *will* regret it the day your data has gone to Nirvana.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Need help with Base

[Girvin Herr]

Tom, If you read your posting again, it implies that MariaDb is "owned 
by Oracle".  That would be news to me and, I suspect, the MariaDb 
development team.

Girvin Herr


On 05/05/2014 09:02 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Good point!!

An external database is a really good approach.  Many people go for MySql
or MariaDb (unless using a Mac) but that's owned by Oracle and some worry
about the future of "free" or "Open Source" under Oracle.  Many go for
faster, lighter java back-ends such as Hsqldb as an external but others
worry about the whole java issue.

So Postgresql might well be a good choice.  They have put a lot of work
into building a decent connector for Base.
Regards from
Tom :)







On 5 May 2014 15:44, Wolfgang Keller  wrote:


I'm new user of LO Base, we are transitioning from MS Access, and I
need to redesign our db from it.

One word of advice based on experience:

Avoid use of the "built in" database.

Use a proper client-server RDBMS. Preferrably PostgreSQL, as it's
reliable and the driver comes with LO.

Otherwise you *will* regret it the day your data has gone to Nirvana.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Mac Upgrade error?

[jomali]

I was running 4.1.6 and just downloaded 4.2.3. I opened the DMG, dragged
the file to the Applications folder and opened it on an oder document. It
worked fine, so I would recommend you do the same.


On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Phil  wrote:

> Hi Guys
>
> Im running OSX 10.6.8, running Version 4.0.0.0.beta1 (Build ID:
> 87906242e87d3ddb2ba9827818f2d1416d80cc7)
> TinderBox: MacOSX TDF Release, Branch:libreoffice-4-0, Time:
> 2012-12-05_22:13:37
>
> I believe it was one of the first beta release's, and decided to upgrade
> when i saw the little notification to download the updated version, after
> having put it off for a while. The version i downloaded was 4.2.2
>
> First off i just dragged the file over, and ran LO, checked to make sure
> it was updated, just by checking about, and it still said running the above
> version? So put LO in the trash (in a nice way), copied the file again from
> the DMG and ran LO, and it still says the above version?
>
> Anyone any ideas?
>
> Cheers
> Phil
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Mac Upgrade error?

[Phil]

Hi Tom

Thanks for letting me know there is hope...

I was working on a document at work, just a little spread sheet, 
basically it's a temperature check sheet for the cafe. Tried to make it 
a little easier to add a date at the top, and on the second sheet, just 
sum off equals the previous reference to the date and add 7. That 
wouldnt print preview on my win 7 machine, cant remember which version 
it runs, but i know its ver 4.2ish (i recently installed the OS). Came 
home to work on it again, and it wouldnt print Preview on that either, 
so i thought id try upgrading, sooo 2 problems in one day, not bad for me :)


cheers
Phil

On 05/05/2014 22:05, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I have no idea about Macs but hopefully Alex or someone might get back 
from their weekend off and answer the post on-list.

Good luck and regards from
Tom :)


On 5 May 2014 20:42, Phil > wrote:


Hi Guys

Im running OSX 10.6.8, running Version 4.0.0.0.beta1 (Build ID:
87906242e87d3ddb2ba9827818f2d1416d80cc7)
TinderBox: MacOSX TDF Release, Branch:libreoffice-4-0, Time:
2012-12-05_22:13:37

I believe it was one of the first beta release's, and decided to
upgrade when i saw the little notification to download the updated
version, after having put it off for a while. The version i
downloaded was 4.2.2

First off i just dragged the file over, and ran LO, checked to
make sure it was updated, just by checking about, and it still
said running the above version? So put LO in the trash (in a nice
way), copied the file again from the DMG and ran LO, and it still
says the above version?

Anyone any ideas?

Cheers
Phil

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[libreoffice-users] Mac Upgrade error?

[Phil]

Hi Guys

Im running OSX 10.6.8, running Version 4.0.0.0.beta1 (Build ID: 
87906242e87d3ddb2ba9827818f2d1416d80cc7)
TinderBox: MacOSX TDF Release, Branch:libreoffice-4-0, Time: 
2012-12-05_22:13:37


I believe it was one of the first beta release's, and decided to upgrade 
when i saw the little notification to download the updated version, 
after having put it off for a while. The version i downloaded was 4.2.2


First off i just dragged the file over, and ran LO, checked to make sure 
it was updated, just by checking about, and it still said running the 
above version? So put LO in the trash (in a nice way), copied the file 
again from the DMG and ran LO, and it still says the above version?


Anyone any ideas?

Cheers
Phil

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Print Orientation (Calc)

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Don't you have to set "page styles" to be different?  I'm not sure how tbh
but maybe in the styles chapter of the Writers Guide
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
Regards form
Tom :)


On 5 May 2014 18:47, James E. Lang  wrote:

> When I set the print orientation for Sheet 1 to Landscape the print
> orentation for Sheet 2 is
> also changed even though the data on Sheet 2 is better printed with
> orientation = Portrait.
>
> What is the rationale for this behavior? Is there a preference setting
> that unlinks the sheets
> with regard to print orientation?
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Print Orientation (Calc)

[Brian Barker]

At 11:47 05/05/2014 -0700, James E. Lang wrote:
When I set the print orientation for Sheet 1 to Landscape the print 
orientation for Sheet 2 is also changed even though the data on 
Sheet 2 is better printed with orientation = Portrait. What is the 
rationale for this behavior?


Orientation is a property of page styles. When you change the 
orientation of your first sheet, you are actually changing the 
orientation of its page style and therefore of all sheets with the 
same page style.


Is there a preference setting that unlinks the sheets with regard to 
print orientation?


Give them different page styles:
o Go to Format | Styles and Formatting ... (or click the Styles and 
Formatting icon in the Formatting toolbar or press F11).

o Click Page Styles in its toolbar.
o Click New Style from Selection.
o Give your new style a name.
o Right-click the new name and select Modify... .
o Adjust the style properties as desired - presumably including 
setting Landscape on the Page tab.
o Bring each sheet to the front in turn and double-click the 
appropriate style to apply it.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Need help with Base

[Walther Koehler]

Hallo Wolfgang, hallo LO-users

may I ask a question in line with that thread:

a few month ago, I failed installing LO-base with PostgreSQL-DB when I 
stumbled over the input request
URL of data source ?
Help will not help.
I suppose something like
sdbc:postgresql:dbfile
is wanted, however
missing "=" after "test" in connection string

What format should that URL have?
Some examples of formally correct URL would help.
What is a possible correct driver name?

Thank you for your help

Walther

Debian wheezy/PostgreSQL paket installed. LO 4.1.3.2


Am Montag, 5. Mai 2014 schrieb Wolfgang Keller:
> > I'm new user of LO Base, we are transitioning from MS Access, and I
> > need to redesign our db from it.
>
> One word of advice based on experience:
>
> Avoid use of the "built in" database.
>
> Use a proper client-server RDBMS. Preferrably PostgreSQL, as it's
> reliable and the driver comes with LO.
>
> Otherwise you *will* regret it the day your data has gone to Nirvana.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Wolfgang



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Need help with Base

[milica]

Thanks,
Actually, that base in ms access is kind of start point, and needs to be
more developed,so I have to learn LO macros anyway :(
 I'm reading the book OpenOffice.org Macros Explained (great book!), and
making new version in LO but in LO Calc.
Thank you once again :))


On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 7:29 PM, TomD [via Document Foundation Mail Archive]
 wrote:

> Hi :)
> Good point!!
>
> An external database is a really good approach.  Many people go for MySql
> or MariaDb (unless using a Mac) but that's owned by Oracle and some worry
> about the future of "free" or "Open Source" under Oracle.  Many go for
> faster, lighter java back-ends such as Hsqldb as an external but others
> worry about the whole java issue.
>
> So Postgresql might well be a good choice.  They have put a lot of work
> into building a decent connector for Base.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5 May 2014 15:44, Wolfgang Keller <[hidden 
> email]>
> wrote:
>
> > > I'm new user of LO Base, we are transitioning from MS Access, and I
> > > need to redesign our db from it.
> >
> > One word of advice based on experience:
> >
> > Avoid use of the "built in" database.
> >
> > Use a proper client-server RDBMS. Preferrably PostgreSQL, as it's
> > reliable and the driver comes with LO.
> >
> > Otherwise you *will* regret it the day your data has gone to Nirvana.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Wolfgang
> >
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[libreoffice-users] Print Orientation (Calc)

[James E. Lang]

When I set the print orientation for Sheet 1 to Landscape the print orentation 
for Sheet 2 is 
also changed even though the data on Sheet 2 is better printed with orientation 
= Portrait.

What is the rationale for this behavior? Is there a preference setting that 
unlinks the sheets 
with regard to print orientation?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Need help with Base

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Good point!!

An external database is a really good approach.  Many people go for MySql
or MariaDb (unless using a Mac) but that's owned by Oracle and some worry
about the future of "free" or "Open Source" under Oracle.  Many go for
faster, lighter java back-ends such as Hsqldb as an external but others
worry about the whole java issue.

So Postgresql might well be a good choice.  They have put a lot of work
into building a decent connector for Base.
Regards from
Tom :)







On 5 May 2014 15:44, Wolfgang Keller  wrote:

> > I'm new user of LO Base, we are transitioning from MS Access, and I
> > need to redesign our db from it.
>
> One word of advice based on experience:
>
> Avoid use of the "built in" database.
>
> Use a proper client-server RDBMS. Preferrably PostgreSQL, as it's
> reliable and the driver comes with LO.
>
> Otherwise you *will* regret it the day your data has gone to Nirvana.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Wolfgang
>
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[libreoffice-users] well said ...

[anne-ology]

   ... these inane - if not insane - bullies tend to be afraid of
public awareness.




From: Tom Cloyd 
To: Sigrid Carrera , t...@tomcloyd.com
Cc: Urmas , LibreOffice User's Help Forum <
users@global.libreoffice.org>
Date: Sat, 03 May 2014 16:38:54 -0600
Subject: Re: Request for review: (Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash
- crash - crash. !@#$#@!)
Sigrid,

I thank you for your attention to this matter.

Since his behavior appears to be to send aggressively worded, intimidating
messages to forum members which only they see, I STRONGLY URGE anyone
receiving such messages to report them publicly to the forum. That way, the
privacy which allows such behavior to continue is completely subverted.

Helpful, constructive posts are surely welcome here. Intimidating,
personally aggressive ones absolutely are not.

That is my position, and I doubt that anyone will have much objection to it.

Now, just follow through with the suggested response I've outlined, and
this behavior should cease.

Sigrid, thanks again for your speedy response.

Tom C.



On 05/03/2014 04:31 PM, Sigrid Carrera wrote:

 Hi Tom,
>
> Urmas was put to forced moderation only recently. We are under strict
> orders to let only those posts through, that do not insult anyone on the
> list.
> Even though we don't let everything through to the list from him, he still
> can send out emails directly to the people in question.
>
> I don't think that there is much use in banning him from the mailing lists
> itself, since he could just register a new email address and re-subscribe
> with this new address.
> But rest assured, we're trying very hard to keep this list a reasonable
> family-friendly place where we show respect for the other members.
>
> Sigrid
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Need help with Base

[Wolfgang Keller]

> I'm new user of LO Base, we are transitioning from MS Access, and I
> need to redesign our db from it.

One word of advice based on experience:

Avoid use of the "built in" database.

Use a proper client-server RDBMS. Preferrably PostgreSQL, as it's
reliable and the driver comes with LO.

Otherwise you *will* regret it the day your data has gone to Nirvana.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

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[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Conveying the language of document text

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
A post to the "Accessibility|" mailing list has has no responses for a few
days.  I am not sure how to handle it.  "Accessibility" is about
screen-readers and such like.  A recent code donation from Apache is in the
process of radically changing the way LO handles accessibility issues by
removing dependence on Java.  The last couple of versions of LO have had
the new way of dealing with accessibility in the "enable experimental
features" while keeping the java-way as the default.  I'm not sure how the
4.3.0beta handles accessibility.  Does anyone here know?

This sort of question sound like something the devs list or QA team might
handle better.  Can anyone help this chap by forrwarding the request on to
those sorts of teams?
Regards from
Tom :)



On 3 May 2014 14:12, Marco Zehe  wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> I was just playing with the latest Master dev build of LibreOffice 4.3
> again, and thought it would be nice if it exposed the language of text in a
> way that NVDA and other screen readers could use. If the currently active
> synthesizer supports it, text in multilingual documents would then be read
> with a voice/language appropriate. So English text would be read with an
> English voice, German text with a German one, etc.
>
> In MS Office, at least JAWS and NVDA support that. The language is derived
> from the info about which language is set for spell checking that
> particular text. Since that information is available in LibreOffice, too,
> if the dictionaries are installed, it should be possible to expose that
> information.
>
> Firefox does this in IAccessible2, and I've described it here:
> http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/07/17/support-for-text-
> attributes-and-spell-checking-is-coming-in-firefox-31/
> Yes, that article is almost 6 years old, but still very much valid. ;-)
>
> So far, I have not seen evidence that LO (or OO for that matter) expose
> the language portion of this info mentioned in the blog post. Or am I
> missing something?
>
> Would like to check here first before filing an enhancement request.
>
> Thanks!
>
> marco
>
>
>
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