[libreoffice-users] Re: [HELP] Send Mail With LO - AppCrash

2014-09-11 Thread Luckshor
Thank you Anne,

More caching was already clean and the file is 30 KB.

Still keeps giving APP Crash.

Well keep looking for something talking.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Generate a column of times

2014-09-11 Thread office76#xt
Thanks again for the replies, this is what I've tried so far: 

The start time was 10:25pm and the stop time was 10:55pm, with 2026 samples.
I first highlight column 'A', and format the cells as 'Time', using the
01:37:46pm format. The first cell, A1, gets the start time, 10:25:00pm. The
second cell gets 10:25:01pm, which is the start time with an increment of 1
second. I then highlight these first two cells, then drag their lower right
corner down the column to row 2026. The last cell now reads 10:58:45pm,
which does not match the stop time of 10:55pm.  



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Re: [libreoffice-users] How do I insert a thin space in Libre in Windows?

2014-09-11 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
These guides might be more useful in general
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
If you go to
Tools - Customise
then you can reconfigure one of the keyboard combinations to be pretty much
anything you want.  I'd suggest seeing what Ctrl space or Alt space or even
shiftspace do at the moment and consider changing one of those to be a
thin space.

If you are serious about doing Desktop Publishing then a word-processor is
not quite right for the task.  Writer is better than most but it might be
worth considering Scribus or something else designed to be a proper DTP.
Scribus is in the same eco-system as LibreOffice/OpenOffice and can use one
(or several) of the output-files that LibreOffice can save in.

I'm not sure what the U stands for nor how to get such coding into a
document.  Hopefully someone else might help with that later.

Regards from
tom :)



On 11 September 2014 08:07, Johan de Smidt johan.desm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi
 What is the keyboard shortcut for inserting a thin space in Windows?
 Your website help isn't much help. Eventually found your suggestion, using
 Google, to use U+2009.
 What does U stand for? The usual keys don't work.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Generate a column of times

2014-09-11 Thread Paul
Well, of course not.

The difference between 10:25pm and 10:55pm is exactly 30 minutes, or
1800 seconds. But you have 2026 samples, which, at a second each, comes
to 33 minutes and 46 seconds, which is equivilent to a stop time of
10:58:46pm. The extra second is (I think) due to the first sample being
zero seconds after the start time, instead of 1, so you're actually
only adding 2025 seconds, not 2026.

Your samples are spaced more frequently than one second apart, which is
why using a fixed spacing of a second to start the series doesn't work.
Brian's previous answer about using a formula sounds like the answer,
although I haven't looked at it myself. But he knows what he is talking
about, and the approach is the correct one. It calculates the actual
sample frequency and uses that to calculate the timestamps for each
sample. Try that and see if it doesn't give you the answer you are
looking for.


Paul



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office76#xt l0c35...@verizon.net wrote:

 Thanks again for the replies, this is what I've tried so far: 
 
 The start time was 10:25pm and the stop time was 10:55pm, with 2026
 samples. I first highlight column 'A', and format the cells as
 'Time', using the 01:37:46pm format. The first cell, A1, gets the
 start time, 10:25:00pm. The second cell gets 10:25:01pm, which is the
 start time with an increment of 1 second. I then highlight these
 first two cells, then drag their lower right corner down the column
 to row 2026. The last cell now reads 10:58:45pm, which does not match
 the stop time of 10:55pm.  
 
 
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles Don't Retain Bold?

2014-09-11 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Yeh, i wondered the same but it is a different issue.  As Joel pointed out
you can see the Bold button on the icon-bar is not de-pressed in when the
cursor is in the middle of the heading 3 text.
Regards from
Tom :)


On 10 September 2014 23:41, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote:


 On 09/10/2014 03:06 PM, jomali wrote:
  I downloaded the file and examined the parameters of the Level 3 style
  in the document and found that, under Font Effects, Gray is checked.
  Could this be the source of the difficulty?
 No because the issue is that it's inconsistent, not that it's
 consistently not bolding. Also the same problem happens with other
 heading styles -- just used #3 as an example.

 Best,
 Joel


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Re: [libreoffice-users] How do I insert a thin space in Libre in Windows?

2014-09-11 Thread Séamas Ó Brógáin
The U stands for Unicode (the universal character set). The notation U
+ is a way of making it explicit that the number is a Unicode
reference.

Unicode 2009 is a thin space, traditionally considered a fifth of the
nominal type size in points, defined by Unicode as either or a fifth or
a sixth but in any case depending on the size given to this character by
the creator of a particular font.

There are several ways of entering any character in the Unicode range by
its number, though they differ between Linux and Windows. Im afraid I
don’t know anything about the latter.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] How do I insert a thin space in Libre in Windows?

2014-09-11 Thread Don Pobanz

On 09/11/2014 02:07 AM, Johan de Smidt wrote:

Hi
What is the keyboard shortcut for inserting a thin space in Windows?
Your website help isn't much help. Eventually found your suggestion, using
Google, to use U+2009.
What does U stand for? The usual keys don't work.

U stands for Unicode. One way to insert a Unicode character is by 
holding down the shift and ctrl keys and typing 'u' then the 
Unicode hexadecimal value.


shiftctrlu + Unicode hexadecimal value

shiftctrlu + 2009


Ubuntu 14.04

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Generate a column of times

2014-09-11 Thread Brian Barker

At 06:33 11/09/2014 -0700, Nobody Noname wrote:

Thanks again for the replies, this is what I've tried so far:


Why not try one of the two techniques already suggested (both of which work)?

The start time was 10:25pm and the stop time was 10:55pm, with 2026 
samples. I first highlight column 'A', and format the cells as 
'Time', using the 01:37:46pm format. The first cell, A1, gets the 
start time, 10:25:00pm. The second cell gets 10:25:01pm, which is 
the start time with an increment of 1 second.


That's your mistake. You said in your original message that the 
samples were taken at *approximately* 1 sample per second (my 
emphasis), not exactly so. Your 2026 samples span 2025 intervals 
between 10:25 and 10:35, and if we divide thirty minutes by 2025, we 
find that the interval is actually eight-ninths of a second, not 
exactly one second. If you add eight-ninths of a second 2025 times to 
10:25 you will get to 10:55 with no problem.


I then highlight these first two cells, then drag their lower right 
corner down the column to row 2026. The last cell now reads 
10:58:45pm, which does not match the stop time of 10:55pm.


That's because 2025 seconds is not thirty minutes, but indeed 
thirty-three and three-quarter minutes. You should note that your 
difficulty here is entirely to do with your appreciation of the 
problem, and nothing to do with whether Calc can or cannot do what you require.


Using Mr Drago's technique, you need to set A2 to 10:25 PM plus 
eight-ninths of a second. You can do this in various ways. One is to 
put 10:25 PM and 10:55 PM in two cells, subtract them, and divide by 
2025. As a number, this will display as 0.10288... as the 
interval is that fraction of a day. Use this value in the calculation 
in A2, using =A1+Xn, where Xn is the result cell. Note that the value 
in A2 will display as 10:25:01 PM, but it is not exactly one second 
later - it merely displays that way with your chosen formatting. The 
value *stored* in the cell is nevertheless accurate. You will need to 
select the value in A2, copy it, and paste it back using Paste 
Special... with Formulas unticked in order to convert the formula 
into a number. Now select A1 and A2 and fill down the column. Row 
2026 will read 10:55:00 PM. In fact, rounding errors mean that it 
misses the mark by less than a hundred-millionth of a second. Is that 
good enough?!


Using my formula technique, put the start and finish times in A1 and 
A2026. The formula you need in A2 with these new cells is

=A1+(A$2026-A$1)/2025
Select just A2 this time (not A1 and A2) and fill this down the 
column to A2025 (not A2026, or you will get a circular reference 
error, Err:522). The rounding errors will be no more than with the 
previous technique.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] How do I insert a thin space in Libre in Windows?

2014-09-11 Thread Brian Barker

At 11:03 11/09/2014 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:

On 11 September 2014 08:07, Johan de Smidt wrote:

What is the keyboard shortcut for inserting a thin space in Windows?


If you go to Tools - Customise then you can reconfigure one of the 
keyboard combinations to be pretty much anything you want.


No: surely only to one of the provided functions, not pretty much anything?

I'd suggest seeing what Ctrl space or Alt space or even shiftspace 
do at the moment and consider changing one of those to be a thin space.


But you cannot do that, since Insert thin space is not an available 
function. You can get to Insert | Special Character, but no further.


Brian Barker 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] How do I insert a thin space in Libre in Windows?

2014-09-11 Thread Regina Henschel

Hi,

Séamas Ó Brógáin schrieb:

The U stands for Unicode (the universal character set). The notation U
+ is a way of making it explicit that the number is a Unicode
reference.

Unicode 2009 is a thin space, traditionally considered a fifth of the
nominal type size in points, defined by Unicode as either or a fifth or
a sixth but in any case depending on the size given to this character by
the creator of a particular font.

There are several ways of entering any character in the Unicode range by
its number, though they differ between Linux and Windows. Im afraid I
don’t know anything about the latter.


Methods for entering these code points are described in 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_input#Hexadecimal_code_input


Kind regards
Regina



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Re: [libreoffice-users] How do I insert a thin space in Libre in Windows?

2014-09-11 Thread Regina Henschel

Hi Johan,

Johan de Smidt schrieb:

Hi
What is the keyboard shortcut for inserting a thin space in Windows?
Your website help isn't much help. Eventually found your suggestion, using
Google, to use U+2009.
What does U stand for? The usual keys don't work.



You have already read how to use your operating system for input. If you 
will not do that (for example because you are not allowed to change the 
registry of the Windows machine), using a macro is another way, e.g. my 
suggestion in 
http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/msg34891.html A macro 
can be bound to a button or to a shortcut key.


Such thin space is often used between number and unit in a measurement. 
In such cases I do not use a thin space but I use a not-breakable space 
and make it smaller in the character dialog. I do this, because I do not 
want, that I get a line break between number and unit.


Kind regards
Regina

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Generate a column of times

2014-09-11 Thread office76#xt
Thank, Brian, that last reply got it working. I can see that the timeline
created fits within the start and stop times. I can see some time values
repeated twice but that's what you'd expect with a non one sample per second
sampling rate. All I wanted was to correlate notes taken during sampling
with the data collected. One or two samples either way is acceptable. 
Thanks to all. 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Generate a column of times

2014-09-11 Thread Brian Barker

At 09:24 11/09/2014 -0700, Nobody Noname wrote:

... that last reply got it working.


Good-oh!

I can see some time values repeated twice but that's what you'd 
expect with a non one sample per second sampling rate.


Exactly. I meant to mention this but forgot. Remember that the 
repetition is only in the displayed, rounded values: the actual 
stored values will be accurate and not repeated.


Brian Barker  



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[libreoffice-users] Selected fonts are no longer displaying in LO 4.2.4.2 on OSX 10.9.4

2014-09-11 Thread Marc Grober
I just discovered that while many of my fonts still appear in the font
menu, fonts such as Estrangello Edessa are no longer being displayed on
the screen in the document (English characters appear instead in a
variety of fonts.)  Can anyone point me in the direction of what may be
happening.  I saw some bugs related to fonts not appearing in the select
dropdown,  but in this case the drop shows the font properly,  but when
characters are entered they are entered they appear in a Latin font
though -  not sure if this is something visited on me by an OS upgrade
or an LO upgrade


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Table presented totally wrong.

2014-09-11 Thread Mark Bourne

Stef Bon wrote:

Hi,

I got a template.docx of my education institution, and tried to open
it using LibreOffice.
I found out too late - after I sent it, I got comments of receiver - that writer
did show the table totally wrong.


The .docx format changes slightly with each version of MS Office. Even 
newer versions of MS Office sometimes display documents created in an 
older version differently. For compatibility between MS Office and 
LibreOffice, the older .doc format is more reliable.


Also when working in LibreOffice, you should save your work it in Open 
Document Format (ODF), even if it was originally imported from an MS 
Office format. That way you avoid corruption which may occur by 
repeatedly exporting and importing the document. Only export a copy back 
to MS Office format if that's needed for sending it to someone else - 
keep your working copy in ODF.



Until now I was convinced LibreOffice is a good alternative for MS
Office, but I doubt it very much now. I had to use the (Microsoft
Windows) computers on the school with a recent MS Office to get it
right.


So LibreOffice is useless because it can't fully understand a format 
defined by a private company? Despite the name, Office Open XML (the 
.docx etc. formats) as used by MS Office does contain some proprietary 
elements so is not completely open for others to reliably implement.



I've been talking with members of parlement about the use of open
source by the government, and was convinced it's a right thing. Now
I'm not so sure anymore.


Several governments have recently moved over to specifying that ODF 
should be used for documents. That's the main format used by 
LibreOffice. If transitioning to LibreOffice, it would be a good idea to 
also transition to using ODF.



I think it's not a very exotic table. It's a table in a table.
One note: I've tried Google Docs also, and that did not do it right either.

Attached you find the Template, and where there should be information
under the column Lesplan, but it's not shown at all.
Also attached you find the complete new document based on the
template. I added text, but the first column I left unchanged. You see
ther are different rows there, which are ignored in the original
document (Template)


This mailing list strips attachments from emails, so they don't get 
through. You can either upload them to another hosting service and 
include links, or I believe the Nabble interface to the mailing list at 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/ can do this for you.



I hope you can solve this,


If you believe there is a bug in LibreOffice here (which is certainly 
possible), you can report it at 
https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/bug/ where it will be tracked 
(rather than forgotten in someone's email inbox) and you can also attach 
the document there.


Be aware that this mailing list and the bug tracker are publicly 
accessible, so don't include anything confidential or otherwise sensitive.



Sorry I can't be more help. Others here may be able to suggest 
workarounds to this specific problem.


Mark.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Table presented totally wrong.

2014-09-11 Thread Paul D. Mirowsky

Hello Stef

Are you suggesting that you are standardizing on LibreOffice Templates 
or Microsoft Word Templates.


Templates are unique to each system.

Did you save your LibreOffice Writer document to a Microsoft Word format?
If PDF is ok, you could export as pdf and send that.
If the person you are sending your document has LibreOffice, it will 
look exactly the same.


I applaud your thoughts about bringing LibreOffice to the Tweede Kamer 
der Staten-Generaal.


Some help might be required and you can try and contact the following.

The user group at
Home » Dutch NL Project
https://nl.libreoffice.org/

Linux Professional Institute Central Europe: Home
http://www.lpice.eu/nl/home.html

Nederlandse Linux Gebruikers Groep
http://www.nllgg.nl/

There is also Thom Holwerda, Editor at OSNews (I just like the way the 
guy thinks.)

His basic info is at http://www.osnews.com/user/uid:5/

LibreOffice document standards:
The easy explanation is at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument
For the deepest understanding of the format go to 
http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/OpenDocument-v1.2.html


Documents are not allowed to be attached in this user group mailing.
Try sending to http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Dutch-f1816654.html

Sorry I can not help you further.
Paul



On 9/11/2014 2:15 PM, Stef Bon wrote:

Hi,

I got a template.docx of my education institution, and tried to open
it using LibreOffice.
I found out too late - after I sent it, I got comments of receiver - that writer
did show the table totally wrong.

Until now I was convinced LibreOffice is a good alternative for MS
Office, but I doubt it very much now. I had to use the (Microsoft
Windows) computers on the school with a recent MS Office to get it
right.

I've been talking with members of parlement about the use of open
source by the government, and was convinced it's a right thing. Now
I'm not so sure anymore.

I think it's not a very exotic table. It's a table in a table.
One note: I've tried Google Docs also, and that did not do it right either.

Attached you find the Template, and where there should be information
under the column Lesplan, but it's not shown at all.
Also attached you find the complete new document based on the
template. I added text, but the first column I left unchanged. You see
ther are different rows there, which are ignored in the original
document (Template)

I hope you can solve this,

Stef Bon
Voorburg
the Netherlans




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Re: [libreoffice-users] How do I insert a thin space in Libre in Windows?

2014-09-11 Thread anne-ology
   it may or may not be in the character-map for the particular font
you're using  ;-)

   Now, ... Printing started back in Roman days ... then the Printing
press began with Gutenberg ...
  then ... then ... then ...
Latin was the language of the Romans, thus these abbreviations stem
from that  ;-)

   BTW - for you young folks, Latin  Greek were taught to all students
... then a Romantic  a Germanic language (well, in the British  American
schools)

   nota when spelled out looks as if it starts with our modern-day u
;-)



From: Johan de Smidt johan.desm...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 2:07 AM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] How do I insert a thin space in Libre in
Windows?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org


Hi
What is the keyboard shortcut for inserting a thin space in Windows?
Your website help isn't much help. Eventually found your suggestion, using
Google, to use U+2009.
What does U stand for? The usual keys don't work.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] How do I insert a thin space in Libre in Windows?

2014-09-11 Thread anne-ology
   just type in character map, and your machine's will pop up -
   or you can go on-line, search for character map and find many
for many different fonts.



From: Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 5:03 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How do I insert a thin space in Libre in
Windows?
To: Johan de Smidt johan.desm...@gmail.com
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org


Hi :)
These guides might be more useful in general
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
If you go to
Tools - Customise
then you can reconfigure one of the keyboard combinations to be pretty much
anything you want.  I'd suggest seeing what Ctrl space or Alt space or even
shiftspace do at the moment and consider changing one of those to be a
thin space.

If you are serious about doing Desktop Publishing then a word-processor is
not quite right for the task.  Writer is better than most but it might be
worth considering Scribus or something else designed to be a proper DTP.
Scribus is in the same eco-system as LibreOffice/OpenOffice and can use one
(or several) of the output-files that LibreOffice can save in.

I'm not sure what the U stands for nor how to get such coding into a
document.  Hopefully someone else might help with that later.

Regards from
tom :)



On 11 September 2014 08:07, Johan de Smidt johan.desm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi
 What is the keyboard shortcut for inserting a thin space in Windows?
 Your website help isn't much help. Eventually found your suggestion, using
 Google, to use U+2009.
 What does U stand for? The usual keys don't work.

 --
 Kind regards
 Johan de Smidt


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Re: [libreoffice-users] How do I insert a thin space in Libre in Windows?

2014-09-11 Thread anne-ology
   Thanks for bringing me into the 21st C  ;-)



From: Séamas Ó Brógáin s...@iol.ie
Date: Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How do I insert a thin space in Libre in
Windows?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org


The U stands for Unicode (the universal character set). The notation U
+ is a way of making it explicit that the number is a Unicode
reference.

Unicode 2009 is a thin space, traditionally considered a fifth of the
nominal type size in points, defined by Unicode as either or a fifth or
a sixth but in any case depending on the size given to this character by
the creator of a particular font.

There are several ways of entering any character in the Unicode range by
its number, though they differ between Linux and Windows. Im afraid I
don’t know anything about the latter.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Selected fonts are no longer displaying in LO 4.2.4.2 on OSX 10.9.4

2014-09-11 Thread anne-ology
   I too lost many of my fonts -
   including my favorite ones when I had to change machines  ???

   And so far no one has been able to show me how to get these back or
how to actually install new ones -
   I've even gone to some of these font-sites, downloaded some;
only to have those downloaded ones never appear in any program  ???



From: Marc Grober m...@interak.com
Date: Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 12:04 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Selected fonts are no longer displaying in LO
4.2.4.2 on OSX 10.9.4
To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org


I just discovered that while many of my fonts still appear in the font
menu, fonts such as Estrangello Edessa are no longer being displayed on
the screen in the document (English characters appear instead in a
variety of fonts.)  Can anyone point me in the direction of what may be
happening.  I saw some bugs related to fonts not appearing in the select
dropdown,  but in this case the drop shows the font properly,  but when
characters are entered they are entered they appear in a Latin font
though -  not sure if this is something visited on me by an OS upgrade
or an LO upgrade

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Table presented totally wrong.

2014-09-11 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Both Google docs and LibreOffice are consistent with each other and any
version of either on any platform.  Likewise with OpenOffice,
Calligra/KOffice, Lotus Symphony and almost all others.  Even newer
documents prepared by the latest releases of those can usually be read by
older versions of any.

This is in stark contrast to documents written in MS Office and using their
newer 'format' (really several different transitional formats but all
given the same name).  Documents written in MS Office 2007 often have
problems opening in MS Office 2010 or 2013, at best they open in
compatibility mode.  Hence why so many people have taken to using PDFs to
share documents in the last few years, or at least 1 reason for it.


It helps to use the native ODF 1.2 (Extended) format in any of the non-MS
office programs or office suites.  The 1.2 (Extended) is backwards
compatible with the older 1.1/1.0.  Newer programs can read the older
formats so easily it's almost natural.  No need for any compatibility
mode.  The full ODF specification is thoroughly documented as implemented
in all the different programs by all the different companies, etc and
contains no proprietary blobs so there is nothing to make it difficult for
people to create new software that can implement the full specification as
used out in the wild.

The ODF 1.1 or 1.0 was set as an internationally agreed standard by the ISO
committees after extensive field-testing and deliberation by members of the
independent OASIS committee.  OASIS remains independent by allowing each
company, government or other organisation to have a set maximum number of
members so that no company, government or organisation is able to dominate
the proceedings.  Several hundred organisations etc from around the world
take part in preparing, writing and field-testing the specifications to
make sure the format is easy to implement in as many real-world scenarios
and on as many real-world machines as possible.

The ODF 1.2 (Extended) as used in many programs and suites is, in effect,
field-testing to prepare for the next iteration of the ODF standard.  That
is likely to take many years during which;
1.  Many organisations etc will be using the same 1.2 (Extended) as each
other
2.  It is easy to switch any of the programs back to 1.2 or even back to
1.1/1.0


The only organisation which seems to have any trouble at all with
implementing any ODF specification seems to be Microsoft.  By being unable
to implement their own or anyone else's formats consistently it seems to
force people to constantly buy the same version of MS Office that is used
by people they work with, and to buy newer versions at the same time as
each other.  Currently many companies are buying the 2010, so that is what
other people need to get.  However newer computers are sold with 2013 so
some of them will need to buy 2010 although at the same time it creates a
push to buy the 2013 even though organisations have only just bought the
2010.

It is interesting that the new Microsoft formats came out just after their
older formats finally seemed to stablise such that everyone else was able
to consistently implement them.  It also came out just after MS lost the
court-case about their RTF format, for which they had promised full
interoperability but actually seemed to deliver about the same level of
that as their newer format.

People who insist on using DocX, XlsX and the other OOXML formats are
effectively insisting that people only ever use Windows (that's the only OS
that suffers from so many viruses and security issues, right?) and buy the
same version of MS Office that they used.  So, take a stand and insist on
being given files in a format that is consistent with ISO formats.
Regards from
Tom :)





On 11 September 2014 20:40, Paul D. Mirowsky p_mirow...@bentaxna.com
wrote:

 Hello Stef

 Are you suggesting that you are standardizing on LibreOffice Templates or
 Microsoft Word Templates.

 Templates are unique to each system.

 Did you save your LibreOffice Writer document to a Microsoft Word format?
 If PDF is ok, you could export as pdf and send that.
 If the person you are sending your document has LibreOffice, it will look
 exactly the same.

 I applaud your thoughts about bringing LibreOffice to the Tweede Kamer der
 Staten-Generaal.

 Some help might be required and you can try and contact the following.

 The user group at
 Home » Dutch NL Project
 https://nl.libreoffice.org/

 Linux Professional Institute Central Europe: Home
 http://www.lpice.eu/nl/home.html

 Nederlandse Linux Gebruikers Groep
 http://www.nllgg.nl/

 There is also Thom Holwerda, Editor at OSNews (I just like the way the guy
 thinks.)
 His basic info is at http://www.osnews.com/user/uid:5/

 LibreOffice document standards:
 The easy explanation is at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument
 For the deepest understanding of the format go to
 http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/OpenDocument-v1.2.html

 Documents are not allowed