date:20141119

Hi :)
When people use Base with the internal back-end they have sometimes
reported data-loss.  Other database programs do their utmost to avoid any
data-loss.

On this mailing list we tend to push people into using external back-ends,
as a priority, even if their specific Base-related question has nothing to
do with that issue.  People here have helped at least one individual
migrate their tables from the internal back-end to an external one in
step-by-step detail.  I gather people now have a faster route, or
documentation to help people with that migration, making it much less
painful.  The last couple of times the individuals seemed to find it
surprisingly easy.

One of the massive benefits of Base, imo, that makes it vastly more
powerful than Access is that it makes it so easy to connect to a wide
variety of external back-ends and tries to do that by default.  Access can
be twisted into doing it too but makes it much more difficult.  This makes
Base highly scalable and suitable for a huge range of very different
scenarios and much more future-proof than Access could hope for.  On the
other hand it makes it a little more difficult to understand.

The marketing team don't seem to quite grasp that simply 'selling' Base as
being much like Access is actually quite damaging and completely misses the
huge advantages that Base offers.
Regards from
Tom :)



On 19 November 2014 09:39, Mark Stanton m...@vowleyfarm.co.uk wrote:

 Tom, I'm not entirely sure, when you said

  So, it's only Base that loses data

 that you properly comunicated what you meant. What did you mean?

 I would absolutely agree with the comments made about not storing binaries
 in
 the database. It's not a good idea, whatever database you use.

 And don't use the standard HSQLdb included setup, it's really too prone
 to
 errors.

 Regards
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Report in Base not executed

Hi :)
Crashing is usually due to some 3rd party Extension or some weird tangle of
settings in the User Profile.  Renaming the User Profile is usually fairly
quick and easy, once you've figured it out first time
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile

The 2nd most likely cause has tended to be Java issues.  if you are using
the internal back-end on Base or using Accessibility tools such as
screen-readers then there might not be much you can do except to maybe
consider upgrading Java or finding a more stable version of Java.  The rest
of us can switch off Java dependence temporarily;
Tools - Options - Advanced
and if LibreOffice grumbles then switch it back on again.  Most people find
they can live without Java in LibreOffice and maybe even uninstall it.


Generally it is always best to stick with the distro-specific tweaked
versions of almost all software.  Going outside of that often requires
quite a bit of 'proper' linuxy experience and knowledge.  It's not usually
a good idea for a pointclick user like myself!

However LibreOffice is one of the exceptions.  it's very forgiving about
it's dependencies and it's unlikely that something else is depending on a
specific version of LO.  It's about the only package i ever install
directly from the upstream site and i have grown quite comfortable doing
so.  If it doesn't work out it's fairly easy to remove all the downloaded
official TDF version and then reinstall your own distros version from their
repos but it's unlikely you would need to.  The only downside is that you
have to remember to upgrade it yourself.  Many of us don't even upgrade
once a year, despite official recommendations, without any noticeable
problems.

It is also possible to install more than 1 version of LibreOffice at a time
to get the best of both worlds
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel







On 19 November 2014 09:28, Harvey Nimmo har...@nimmo.de wrote:

 On Wed, 2014-11-19 at 09:55 +0100, Alex Thurgood wrote:
  Le 14/11/2014 15:39, Harvey Nimmo a écrit :
 
  Hi Harvey,
 
   My configuration is Libre-Office Version: 4.3.2.2.0+
   Build ID: 430m0(Build:2) on Gnome 3.14.1 under Opensuse 13.2.
  
 
  Is this the version of LibreOffice provided by the OpenSuse package
  management system ? i.e. a version built and provided by the OpenSuse
  project ?
 
  Can you try a TDF provided version of LibreOffice instead (from the
  LibreOffice download page) or are there no suitable packages ?
 
 
  Alex
 
 Yes, this is the version provided under OpenSuse. And I am not too keen
 on experimenting with other versions/sources, for the sake of
 consistency within my system

 Cheers
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[libreoffice-users] Re: How does 4.4 compress PDFs so well? Is there a quality problem?

2014-11-19 Thread Paddy Landau

V Stuart Foote wrote
A printed copy of your PDF is not a very good test of document quality.
Embedded BMP representation within LibreOffice is at 300dpi. Export print
may be the vector format (wmf, emf, eps, svg) or a bitmap rendering
preview--at 300dpi.

You really need to open each PDF in suitable viewer and zoom in to 800%
or 1200%. How do embedded images compare there? Are they bitmap? Or
more concise full resolution vector images?

Also, the platform you work on will impact handling of vector images.
Several helper programs are needed--Ghostscript, ImageMagick, pstoedit and
the mix will impact handling as bitmap or vector.

To clarify:

All original images are either JPG or PNG.
I don't need super-clear printing, as this is a simple non-profit
volunteer-run community magazine.
I have zoomed the two files to 6,400% in Adobe Reader XI on Windows, and
they look identical.

V Stuart Foote wrote
Please provide your OS details, and perhaps attach a sample output (via
the Nabble interface).

I am using Linux Ubuntu 14.04 64-bit.

One of the files is too large for the Nabble interface, and so I am
including links to the files instead.
* PDF from version 4.3.4.1
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49313422/Version%204.3.4.1.pdf
* PDF from version 4.4.0.0
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49313422/Version%204.4.0.0.pdf

My suspicion now is that the current version converts the images to a
bitmap, whereas the new version saves the images in their original format.
Is there a way to look inside the PDF to see how the images are stored,
either on Windows or Linux?

Thank you for looking at this.

Paddy

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[libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files

Am 19.11.2014 um 05:20 schrieb Urmas:
 Tom Davies:
 
 I still think that Rtf is well worth avoiding if at all possible but
 sadly
 a whole load of people fell for MS's marketing.  Even to this day
 there are
 people who believe in using it, despite the findings of the court case.
 
 Which court case? RTF is rather trivial format, providing compatibility
 between versions from 1986 till today. If LO does not support it, it is
 itself to blame, not Microsoft, 'monopolies' or denizens of Nibiru.
 
 
 
 

Hi,

 http://diaryproducts.net/for/geek/microsoft_rtf_specification_nightmare

Can you answer the question on top of this article? Which non-MS
application can handle every flavour of RTF you throw at it?
On a Windows box, MS WordPad is the one and only application I would
try. On my Windows boxes we have a business application which generates
RTF and opens its own RTF for editing, but it is never confronted with
any RTF from other applications.
On my Linux boxes, the first application is MS Word Viewer under Wine.
For RTF editing my preferred application is AbiWord which is excellent
in respect to RTF but not perfect. I remember files that look fine in
AbiWord and others that look fine in LibreOffice but only MS Word Viewer
handles all of them properly.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files

2014-11-19 Thread Italo Vignoli

On 19/11/14 12:34, Andreas Säger wrote:

 On a Windows box, MS WordPad is the one and only application I would
 try. On my Windows boxes we have a business application which generates
 RTF and opens its own RTF for editing, but it is never confronted with
 any RTF from other applications.

RTF is not standard, and is not documented. As such, it is not a format
which can be adopted for interoperability. It was developed some years
before the development of the ODF standard, which should replace RTF and
every other document format to achieve interoperability.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files

2014-11-19 Thread Virgil Arrington



On 11/19/2014 06:34 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:
Can you answer the question on top of this article? Which non-MS 
application can handle every flavour of RTF you throw at it? On a 
Windows box, MS WordPad is the one and only application I would try. 
On my Windows boxes we have a business application which generates RTF 
and opens its own RTF for editing, but it is never confronted with any 
RTF from other applications. On my Linux boxes, the first application 
is MS Word Viewer under Wine. For RTF editing my preferred application 
is AbiWord which is excellent in respect to RTF but not perfect. I 
remember files that look fine in AbiWord and others that look fine in 
LibreOffice but only MS Word Viewer handles all of them properly. 


On Windows, I have found Atlantis to be very well behaved. It's default 
file format is RTF. It doesn't do tables, but everything else it does, 
it does well.


.atlantiswordprocessor.com

Virgil

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[libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files

Am 19.11.2014 um 13:33 schrieb Virgil Arrington:
 
 
 On Windows, I have found Atlantis to be very well behaved. It's default
 file format is RTF. It doesn't do tables, but everything else it does,
 it does well.
 
 .atlantiswordprocessor.com
 
 Virgil
 

Thank you.
It doesn't do tables. So this implementation is incomplete even though
it uses rtf as its default file format.

And it's Windows only. Why should I install this on a Windows box where
I already have Microsoft WordPad?


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[libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files


Italo Vignoli:


RTF is not standard, and is not documented.


You have been linked the specs. Also, it *is* the standard for the document 
interchange since 1986.



the ODF standard, which should replace RTF and
every other document format to achieve interoperability.


So you claim that the bunch of complicated XML (!) files in a ZIP archive 
(!!) will replace the _plain text format_ which is RTF? That's typical 
freetard delusion.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files


Andreas Säger:


Which non-MS
application can handle every flavour of RTF you throw at it?


The degree of support RTF in application is not related to the 'complexity' 
of RTF spec. It has to do with the feature set of particular app. Once 
again, if your app lacks half of the features MS Word had in its 2.0 
incarnation (LO 4.4 included), it is not caused by Microsoft in any way. 
Blame the laziness of its developers and the complete lack of experience in 
office field.


For example, KWord (aka Calligra) still does not support language tagging 
(the feature present in MSWord 2.0) after 15 years in development. Who is to 
blame here? 




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files

2014-11-19 Thread Virgil Arrington



On 11/19/2014 8:14 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:

Am 19.11.2014 um 13:33 schrieb Virgil Arrington:


On Windows, I have found Atlantis to be very well behaved. It's default
file format is RTF. It doesn't do tables, but everything else it does,
it does well.

.atlantiswordprocessor.com

Virgil


Thank you.
It doesn't do tables. So this implementation is incomplete even though
it uses rtf as its default file format.

And it's Windows only. Why should I install this on a Windows box where
I already have Microsoft WordPad?

a. I'm not suggesting that you install it; I was only offering it as an 
example of a fairly full-featured program that uses RTF as its default 
file format.


b. Atlantis is much more full-featured than WordPad. It supports 
paragraph styles, (and implements them much better and simpler than 
either MS-Word or LO), multiple columns, page/section breaks, editable 
headers/footers, and on and on. It has one of the best built-in EPUB 
translators I've seen, for creation of e-books. It imports ODT files 
nearly flawlessly. And I have found it to be rock-solid in terms of 
stability. No, it's not free; it's shareware with a $35 registration, 
and no, it doesn't run natively under Linux (but I have run it with 
Wine, although not without some rough edges).


c. Again, I'm not advocating for Atlantis, only pointing out its 
existence in a thread about RTF files. I always use it when I need to 
share documents with my Word-bound colleagues.


Virgil



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files

Hi :)
The Rtf spec kept changing at any whim of MS's.  They wouldn't publish the
new specs until month or even years later.  So in order to 'stay'
compatible everyone else had to reverse engineer or guess what changes MS
might have made.  The reason Italo is able to point to a spec of Rtf is
because MS have abandoned it's development - not because the spec is being
handled decently.

MS was constantly promising that Rtf would be the best format for
interoperability but it never quite worked out that way.  Much the same way
that DocX is panning out with all it's various transitional versions -
except that Rtf was never had a version that was accepted as an ISO format.


Also Rtf is not plain text as it contains tons of spurious coding and
formatting.

What IS curious is how MS has had such trouble implementing the ODF specs
that everyone else seems to find so easy and which have been openly
available from OASIS or (for a small fee) from the ISO people.
Regards from
Tom :)





On 19 November 2014 13:05, Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote:

 Andreas Säger:

  Which non-MS
 application can handle every flavour of RTF you throw at it?


 The degree of support RTF in application is not related to the
 'complexity' of RTF spec. It has to do with the feature set of particular
 app. Once again, if your app lacks half of the features MS Word had in its
 2.0 incarnation (LO 4.4 included), it is not caused by Microsoft in any
 way. Blame the laziness of its developers and the complete lack of
 experience in office field.

 For example, KWord (aka Calligra) still does not support language tagging
 (the feature present in MSWord 2.0) after 15 years in development. Who is
 to blame here?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files

Hi :)
+1
I think i'm not the only one having a bad hair day.  My guess is that
most people realise what you were saying.

It is annoying to have to deal with all these different formats with
different programs most of which fall away or change beyond recognition.  I
tend to find that LibreOffice/OpenOffice tend to become the best tool for
dealing with most formats that become abandoned by everyone else.
Regards from
Tom :)

On 19 November 2014 14:49, Virgil Arrington arringto...@gmail.com wrote:


 On 11/19/2014 8:14 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:

 Am 19.11.2014 um 13:33 schrieb Virgil Arrington:


 On Windows, I have found Atlantis to be very well behaved. It's default
 file format is RTF. It doesn't do tables, but everything else it does,
 it does well.

 .atlantiswordprocessor.com

 Virgil

  Thank you.
 It doesn't do tables. So this implementation is incomplete even though
 it uses rtf as its default file format.

 And it's Windows only. Why should I install this on a Windows box where
 I already have Microsoft WordPad?

  a. I'm not suggesting that you install it; I was only offering it as an
 example of a fairly full-featured program that uses RTF as its default file
 format.

 b. Atlantis is much more full-featured than WordPad. It supports paragraph
 styles, (and implements them much better and simpler than either MS-Word or
 LO), multiple columns, page/section breaks, editable headers/footers, and
 on and on. It has one of the best built-in EPUB translators I've seen, for
 creation of e-books. It imports ODT files nearly flawlessly. And I have
 found it to be rock-solid in terms of stability. No, it's not free; it's
 shareware with a $35 registration, and no, it doesn't run natively under
 Linux (but I have run it with Wine, although not without some rough edges).

 c. Again, I'm not advocating for Atlantis, only pointing out its existence
 in a thread about RTF files. I always use it when I need to share documents
 with my Word-bound colleagues.

 Virgil




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[libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files

Am 19.11.2014 um 14:05 schrieb Urmas:
 Andreas Säger:
 
 Which non-MS
 application can handle every flavour of RTF you throw at it?
 
 The degree of support RTF in application is not related to the
 'complexity' of RTF spec. It has to do with the feature set of
 particular app. Once again, if your app lacks half of the features MS
 Word had in its 2.0 incarnation (LO 4.4 included), it is not caused by
 Microsoft in any way. Blame the laziness of its developers and the
 complete lack of experience in office field.


 For example, KWord (aka Calligra) still does not support language
 tagging (the feature present in MSWord 2.0) after 15 years in
 development. Who is to blame here?
 
 

ODF is the new RTF. What is your aim? Complain about developers being
lazy/stupid until the same developers implement your personal wishes?
This is a _users_ list. We can recommend solutions and workarounds based
on the availlable software tools.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files

Am 19.11.2014 um 15:49 schrieb Tom Davies:

 
 Also Rtf is not plain text as it contains tons of spurious coding and
 formatting.
 

Open rtf in a text editor. Just like HTML, it is plain text indeed.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files

2014-11-19 Thread Virgil Arrington


On 11/19/2014 10:40 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:
Open rtf in a text editor. Just like HTML, it is plain text indeed. 


That's one of the things I've always liked about RTF. In a pinch, one 
could open an RTF file in Notepad and strip out all of the RTF coding 
and be left with a document's contents. I've never had to do it, but 
it's nice that it can be done. With a binary file, you're left with 
smiley faces and no visible content.


Virgil


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[libreoffice-users] macro to add annotation to selected text range

Hi,

I am trying to add a really simple macro that I can bind to a key.  I just
want ot be able ot add checkmarks to student papers veyr quickly, so I
would like to select a sentence or other text range, then press a key, and
have the ckeckmark appear in a new comment.

I can almost do htis, using code stolen from the web:

rem---
rem -- misleadingly named macro adds a simple hceckmark at point, or in
response to highlighted text.
sub createComment
rem create the annotation object
oAnno =
ThisComponent.createInstance(com.sun.star.text.textfield.Annotation)
rem Chr 10004 is the decimal for hex code 2714, heavy checkmark
oAnno.Content = Chr(10004)
oAnno.Author = Matt Price
oText = ThisComponent.Text
rem check to see if anything is selected
oSels = ThisComponent.getCurrentSelection()
If Not IsNull(oSels) Then
rem I don't know what to put in here
Else
oVC = ThisComponent.CurrentController.ViewCursor
oText.insertTextContent(oVC.Start, oAnno, False)
End If
end sub

---

You can see that, if there's no selection, I already know how to insert the
annotation.  But I don't know how to attach the annotation to the selected
range instead of just the start of the cursor.

In general, I don't know where to find the funciton references or even the
source code for the relevant functions.  I'm finding it quite difficult to
figure out how to learn to program -- is there comprehensive documentation
somewhere?

Thanks,

Matt

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Re: [libreoffice-users] macro to add annotation to selected text range

Hi :)
The best documentation is at;
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
and the most recent full books are also on the official LibreOffice
website.

For macros i think the best book by far is Andrew Pitonyak's guide on
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Other_Documentation_and_Resources#Programmers

I'm not sure they will help for this specific use-case but they might help
generally.
Regards from
Tom :)



On 19 November 2014 16:05, Matt Price mopto...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I am trying to add a really simple macro that I can bind to a key.  I just
 want ot be able ot add checkmarks to student papers veyr quickly, so I
 would like to select a sentence or other text range, then press a key, and
 have the ckeckmark appear in a new comment.

 I can almost do htis, using code stolen from the web:

 rem---
 rem -- misleadingly named macro adds a simple hceckmark at point, or in
 response to highlighted text.
 sub createComment
 rem create the annotation object
 oAnno =
 ThisComponent.createInstance(com.sun.star.text.textfield.Annotation)
 rem Chr 10004 is the decimal for hex code 2714, heavy checkmark
 oAnno.Content = Chr(10004)
 oAnno.Author = Matt Price
 oText = ThisComponent.Text
 rem check to see if anything is selected
 oSels = ThisComponent.getCurrentSelection()
 If Not IsNull(oSels) Then
 rem I don't know what to put in here
 Else
 oVC = ThisComponent.CurrentController.ViewCursor
 oText.insertTextContent(oVC.Start, oAnno, False)
 End If
 end sub

 ---

 You can see that, if there's no selection, I already know how to insert the
 annotation.  But I don't know how to attach the annotation to the selected
 range instead of just the start of the cursor.

 In general, I don't know where to find the funciton references or even the
 source code for the relevant functions.  I'm finding it quite difficult to
 figure out how to learn to program -- is there comprehensive documentation
 somewhere?

 Thanks,

 Matt

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files

2014-11-19 Thread Cley Faye

2014-11-19 16:58 GMT+01:00 Virgil Arrington arringto...@gmail.com:

 That's one of the things I've always liked about RTF. In a pinch, one
 could open an RTF file in Notepad and strip out all of the RTF coding and
 be left with a document's contents. I've never had to do it, but it's nice
 that it can be done. With a binary file, you're left with smiley faces and
 no visible content.


Now, add a picture to your rtf file and see how fun it is to have all
things in a plaintext, notepad friendly file format...

More recent format like odt (and docx for that matter) are *WAY* better.
(is there a way to emphasis this more?). They are in fact a collection of
files in a simple ZIP, but the core of it (the text and structure) is in a
straightforward XML file which is as plaintext as an RTF file. In fact,
it's easier to strip the extra tags out of an XML file, since tools to
manipulate/reformat XML are extremely common.

With recent format, you get the possibility, should an issue arise, to
extract the plaintext content, and even the attached files (pictures and
other embedded OLE stuff) with common tools. This is even demonstrated on
this list, when sometime someone get a corrupted file, and it is possible
to recover it with stuff like notepad and windows' zip file explorer.

There's no comparison between these format, heavily documented in case of
ODT, that put a clear separation between content and format, and an RTF
file that want to cram everything (content, format, and binary blobs for
image) in a single plaintext file.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files

Hi :)
I'm really not getting plain text.  When i right-click and open in a
text-editor i get this sort of thing;

{\rtf1\ansi\deff3\adeflang1025
{\fonttbl{\f0\froman\fprq2\fcharset0 Times New
Roman;}{\f1\froman\fprq2\fcharset2 Symbol;}{\f2\fswiss\fprq2\fcharset0
Arial;}{\f3\froman\fprq2\fcharset0 Liberation Serif{\*\falt Times New
Roman};}{\f4\fswiss\fprq2\fcharset0 Liberation Sans{\*\falt
Arial};}{\f5\fnil\fprq2\fcharset0 Droid Sans
Fallback;}{\f6\fnil\fprq2\fcharset0 FreeSans;}{\f7\fswiss\fprq0\fcharset128
FreeSans;}}
{\colortbl;\red0\green0\blue0;\red128\green128\blue128;}
{\stylesheet{\s0\snext0\nowidctlpar{\*\hyphen2\hyphlead2\hyphtrail2\hyphmax0}\cf0\kerning1\dbch\af5\langfe2052\dbch\af6\afs24\alang1081\loch\f3\fs24\lang2057
Normal;}
{\s15\sbasedon0\snext16\sb240\sa120\keepn\dbch\af5\dbch\af6\afs28\loch\f4\fs28
Heading;}
{\s16\sbasedon0\snext16\sl288\slmult1\sb0\sa140 Text Body;}
{\s17\sbasedon16\snext17\sl288\slmult1\sb0\sa140\dbch\af7 List;}
{\s18\sbasedon0\snext18\sb120\sa120\noline\i\dbch\af7\afs24\ai\fs24
Caption;}
{\s19\sbasedon0\snext19\noline\dbch\af7 Index;}
}{\info{\creatim\yr2014\mo11\dy19\hr16\min29}{\revtim\yr0\mo0\dy0\hr0\min0}{\printim\yr0\mo0\dy0\hr0\min0}{\comment
LibreOffice}{\vern67241730}}\deftab709
\viewscale100
{\*\pgdsctbl
{\pgdsc0\pgdscuse451\pgwsxn11906\pghsxn16838\marglsxn1134\margrsxn1134\margtsxn1134\margbsxn1134\pgdscnxt0
Default Style;}}
\formshade\paperh16838\paperw11906\margl1134\margr1134\margt1134\margb1134\sectd\sbknone\sectunlocked1\pgndec\pgwsxn11906\pghsxn16838\marglsxn1134\margrsxn1134\margtsxn1134\margbsxn1134\ftnbj\ftnstart1\ftnrstcont\ftnnar\aenddoc\aftnrstcont\aftnstart1\aftnnrlc
\pgndec\pard\plain
\s0\nowidctlpar{\*\hyphen2\hyphlead2\hyphtrail2\hyphmax0}\cf0\kerning1\dbch\af5\langfe2052\dbch\af6\afs24\alang1081\loch\f3\fs24\lang2057{\rtlch
\ltrch\loch
asdfdf}
\par }

Regards from
Tom :)



On 19 November 2014 16:16, Cley Faye cleyf...@gmail.com wrote:

 2014-11-19 16:58 GMT+01:00 Virgil Arrington arringto...@gmail.com:

  That's one of the things I've always liked about RTF. In a pinch, one
  could open an RTF file in Notepad and strip out all of the RTF coding and
  be left with a document's contents. I've never had to do it, but it's
 nice
  that it can be done. With a binary file, you're left with smiley faces
 and
  no visible content.


 Now, add a picture to your rtf file and see how fun it is to have all
 things in a plaintext, notepad friendly file format...

 More recent format like odt (and docx for that matter) are *WAY* better.
 (is there a way to emphasis this more?). They are in fact a collection of
 files in a simple ZIP, but the core of it (the text and structure) is in a
 straightforward XML file which is as plaintext as an RTF file. In fact,
 it's easier to strip the extra tags out of an XML file, since tools to
 manipulate/reformat XML are extremely common.

 With recent format, you get the possibility, should an issue arise, to
 extract the plaintext content, and even the attached files (pictures and
 other embedded OLE stuff) with common tools. This is even demonstrated on
 this list, when sometime someone get a corrupted file, and it is possible
 to recover it with stuff like notepad and windows' zip file explorer.

 There's no comparison between these format, heavily documented in case of
 ODT, that put a clear separation between content and format, and an RTF
 file that want to cram everything (content, format, and binary blobs for
 image) in a single plaintext file.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] macro to add annotation to selected text range

Thanks Tom,

I've just spent some time looking htrough Andrew Pitonyak's macro guide.
It helps a little but there doesn't seem to be any direct documentation of
hte functions.  What I'm looking at is the second line reproduced below:

oVC = ThisComponent.CurrentController.ViewCursor
oText.insertTextContent(oVC.Start, oAnno, False)

I think oVC.Start needs to be replaced with something else, but I can't
figure out what.  All of Andrew's examples with insertTextContent insert
the content at a single location, not at a text range, so maybe I need a
different function. If someone knows another method I'd appreciate the
advice.

Thanks,
Matt

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi :)
 The best documentation is at;
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
 and the most recent full books are also on the official LibreOffice
 website.

 For macros i think the best book by far is Andrew Pitonyak's guide on

 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Other_Documentation_and_Resources#Programmers

 I'm not sure they will help for this specific use-case but they might help
 generally.
 Regards from
 Tom :)



 On 19 November 2014 16:05, Matt Price mopto...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I am trying to add a really simple macro that I can bind to a key.  I just
 want ot be able ot add checkmarks to student papers veyr quickly, so I
 would like to select a sentence or other text range, then press a key, and
 have the ckeckmark appear in a new comment.

 I can almost do htis, using code stolen from the web:

 rem---
 rem -- misleadingly named macro adds a simple hceckmark at point, or in
 response to highlighted text.
 sub createComment
 rem create the annotation object
 oAnno =
 ThisComponent.createInstance(com.sun.star.text.textfield.Annotation)
 rem Chr 10004 is the decimal for hex code 2714, heavy checkmark
 oAnno.Content = Chr(10004)
 oAnno.Author = Matt Price
 oText = ThisComponent.Text
 rem check to see if anything is selected
 oSels = ThisComponent.getCurrentSelection()
 If Not IsNull(oSels) Then
 rem I don't know what to put in here
 Else
 oVC = ThisComponent.CurrentController.ViewCursor
 oText.insertTextContent(oVC.Start, oAnno, False)
 End If
 end sub

 ---

 You can see that, if there's no selection, I already know how to insert
 the
 annotation.  But I don't know how to attach the annotation to the selected
 range instead of just the start of the cursor.

 In general, I don't know where to find the funciton references or even the
 source code for the relevant functions.  I'm finding it quite difficult to
 figure out how to learn to program -- is there comprehensive documentation
 somewhere?

 Thanks,

 Matt

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files

Oh no it isn't

(In England we have somewhat bizarre stage shows around this time of year
with lots of routines that the audience knows in advances to help with
audience participation.  One of the classics gags is one of the thespian's
says something like the above and the audience counters by all shouting at
once Oh yes it is this goes back-and-forth several times until the
audience is inevitably proven right)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantomime

Regards from
Tom :)



On 19 November 2014 15:40, Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de wrote:

 Am 19.11.2014 um 15:49 schrieb Tom Davies:

 
  Also Rtf is not plain text as it contains tons of spurious coding and
  formatting.
 

 Open rtf in a text editor. Just like HTML, it is plain text indeed.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: macro to add annotation to selected text range

2014-11-19 Thread Jim Byrnes


On 11/19/2014 10:55 AM, Matt Price wrote:

Thanks Tom,

I've just spent some time looking htrough Andrew Pitonyak's macro guide.
It helps a little but there doesn't seem to be any direct documentation of
hte functions.  What I'm looking at is the second line reproduced below:

 oVC = ThisComponent.CurrentController.ViewCursor
 oText.insertTextContent(oVC.Start, oAnno, False)


Matt,
I don't use Writer much and honestly I'm not sure what you expect to 
see. Try this.  In the above two lines change Start to End and False to 
True and put those two lines right under your rem I don't know what to 
put in here line. Then select some text and run the macro.


Regards,  Jim


I think oVC.Start needs to be replaced with something else, but I can't
figure out what.  All of Andrew's examples with insertTextContent insert
the content at a single location, not at a text range, so maybe I need a
different function. If someone knows another method I'd appreciate the
advice.

Thanks,
Matt

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi :)
The best documentation is at;
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
and the most recent full books are also on the official LibreOffice
website.

For macros i think the best book by far is Andrew Pitonyak's guide on

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Other_Documentation_and_Resources#Programmers

I'm not sure they will help for this specific use-case but they might help
generally.
Regards from
Tom :)



On 19 November 2014 16:05, Matt Price mopto...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi,

I am trying to add a really simple macro that I can bind to a key.  I just
want ot be able ot add checkmarks to student papers veyr quickly, so I
would like to select a sentence or other text range, then press a key, and
have the ckeckmark appear in a new comment.

I can almost do htis, using code stolen from the web:

rem---
rem -- misleadingly named macro adds a simple hceckmark at point, or in
response to highlighted text.
sub createComment
 rem create the annotation object
 oAnno =
ThisComponent.createInstance(com.sun.star.text.textfield.Annotation)
 rem Chr 10004 is the decimal for hex code 2714, heavy checkmark
 oAnno.Content = Chr(10004)
 oAnno.Author = Matt Price
 oText = ThisComponent.Text
 rem check to see if anything is selected
 oSels = ThisComponent.getCurrentSelection()
 If Not IsNull(oSels) Then
 rem I don't know what to put in here
 Else
 oVC = ThisComponent.CurrentController.ViewCursor
 oText.insertTextContent(oVC.Start, oAnno, False)
 End If
end sub

---

You can see that, if there's no selection, I already know how to insert
the
annotation.  But I don't know how to attach the annotation to the selected
range instead of just the start of the cursor.

In general, I don't know where to find the funciton references or even the
source code for the relevant functions.  I'm finding it quite difficult to
figure out how to learn to program -- is there comprehensive documentation
somewhere?

Thanks,

Matt

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[libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files

Am 19.11.2014 um 17:33 schrieb Tom Davies:
 I'm really not getting plain text.  When i right-click and open in a
 text-editor i get this sort of thing;

Which is plain text in plain 7 bit ASCII. I can paste your rtf into any
plain text editor, save as tom.rtf and open tom.rtf with any rtf capable
word processor. Now I save this in binary .doc, open the doc in a text
editor and what I see is this:

 \D0\CFࡱ\E1\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00;\00\00\FE\FF
 \00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\FE\FF\FF\FF\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\F
F\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FD\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FE\FF\FF\FF\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files

2014-11-19 Thread jomali

Sorry, Tom, that is plain text, just like HTML is plain text. Yes, it
contains special codes, but it does not contain anything but plain ASCII
characters.

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi :)
 I'm really not getting plain text.  When i right-click and open in a
 text-editor i get this sort of thing;

 {\rtf1\ansi\deff3\adeflang1025
 {\fonttbl{\f0\froman\fprq2\fcharset0 Times New
 Roman;}{\f1\froman\fprq2\fcharset2 Symbol;}{\f2\fswiss\fprq2\fcharset0
 Arial;}{\f3\froman\fprq2\fcharset0 Liberation Serif{\*\falt Times New
 Roman};}{\f4\fswiss\fprq2\fcharset0 Liberation Sans{\*\falt
 Arial};}{\f5\fnil\fprq2\fcharset0 Droid Sans
 Fallback;}{\f6\fnil\fprq2\fcharset0 FreeSans;}{\f7\fswiss\fprq0\fcharset128
 FreeSans;}}
 {\colortbl;\red0\green0\blue0;\red128\green128\blue128;}

 {\stylesheet{\s0\snext0\nowidctlpar{\*\hyphen2\hyphlead2\hyphtrail2\hyphmax0}\cf0\kerning1\dbch\af5\langfe2052\dbch\af6\afs24\alang1081\loch\f3\fs24\lang2057
 Normal;}

 {\s15\sbasedon0\snext16\sb240\sa120\keepn\dbch\af5\dbch\af6\afs28\loch\f4\fs28
 Heading;}
 {\s16\sbasedon0\snext16\sl288\slmult1\sb0\sa140 Text Body;}
 {\s17\sbasedon16\snext17\sl288\slmult1\sb0\sa140\dbch\af7 List;}
 {\s18\sbasedon0\snext18\sb120\sa120\noline\i\dbch\af7\afs24\ai\fs24
 Caption;}
 {\s19\sbasedon0\snext19\noline\dbch\af7 Index;}

 }{\info{\creatim\yr2014\mo11\dy19\hr16\min29}{\revtim\yr0\mo0\dy0\hr0\min0}{\printim\yr0\mo0\dy0\hr0\min0}{\comment
 LibreOffice}{\vern67241730}}\deftab709
 \viewscale100
 {\*\pgdsctbl

 {\pgdsc0\pgdscuse451\pgwsxn11906\pghsxn16838\marglsxn1134\margrsxn1134\margtsxn1134\margbsxn1134\pgdscnxt0
 Default Style;}}

 \formshade\paperh16838\paperw11906\margl1134\margr1134\margt1134\margb1134\sectd\sbknone\sectunlocked1\pgndec\pgwsxn11906\pghsxn16838\marglsxn1134\margrsxn1134\margtsxn1134\margbsxn1134\ftnbj\ftnstart1\ftnrstcont\ftnnar\aenddoc\aftnrstcont\aftnstart1\aftnnrlc
 \pgndec\pard\plain

 \s0\nowidctlpar{\*\hyphen2\hyphlead2\hyphtrail2\hyphmax0}\cf0\kerning1\dbch\af5\langfe2052\dbch\af6\afs24\alang1081\loch\f3\fs24\lang2057{\rtlch
 \ltrch\loch
 asdfdf}
 \par }

 Regards from
 Tom :)



 On 19 November 2014 16:16, Cley Faye cleyf...@gmail.com wrote:

  2014-11-19 16:58 GMT+01:00 Virgil Arrington arringto...@gmail.com:
 
   That's one of the things I've always liked about RTF. In a pinch, one
   could open an RTF file in Notepad and strip out all of the RTF coding
 and
   be left with a document's contents. I've never had to do it, but it's
  nice
   that it can be done. With a binary file, you're left with smiley faces
  and
   no visible content.
 
 
  Now, add a picture to your rtf file and see how fun it is to have all
  things in a plaintext, notepad friendly file format...
 
  More recent format like odt (and docx for that matter) are *WAY* better.
  (is there a way to emphasis this more?). They are in fact a collection of
  files in a simple ZIP, but the core of it (the text and structure) is in
 a
  straightforward XML file which is as plaintext as an RTF file. In fact,
  it's easier to strip the extra tags out of an XML file, since tools to
  manipulate/reformat XML are extremely common.
 
  With recent format, you get the possibility, should an issue arise, to
  extract the plaintext content, and even the attached files (pictures and
  other embedded OLE stuff) with common tools. This is even demonstrated on
  this list, when sometime someone get a corrupted file, and it is possible
  to recover it with stuff like notepad and windows' zip file explorer.
 
  There's no comparison between these format, heavily documented in case of
  ODT, that put a clear separation between content and format, and an RTF
  file that want to cram everything (content, format, and binary blobs for
  image) in a single plaintext file.
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: macro to add annotation to selected text range

Jim,

That was it!  Or, almost.  I changed the line to:

 oText.insertTextContent(oVC, oAnno, True)


And the annotation now gets attached to the whole range.

I wish I knew how to find the documentation for these functions!  I don't
know what the various parameters actually d -- what is the final Boolean
doing there?  How do you know?

But in any case, many thanks for solving htis problem, it's actually pretty
awesome to be able to do this with a single keystroke!

m



On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Jim Byrnes jf_byr...@comcast.net wrote:

 On 11/19/2014 10:55 AM, Matt Price wrote:

 Thanks Tom,

 I've just spent some time looking htrough Andrew Pitonyak's macro guide.
 It helps a little but there doesn't seem to be any direct documentation of
 hte functions.  What I'm looking at is the second line reproduced below:

  oVC = ThisComponent.CurrentController.ViewCursor
  oText.insertTextContent(oVC.Start, oAnno, False)


 Matt,
 I don't use Writer much and honestly I'm not sure what you expect to see.
 Try this.  In the above two lines change Start to End and False to True and
 put those two lines right under your rem I don't know what to put in here
 line. Then select some text and run the macro.

 Regards,  Jim


  I think oVC.Start needs to be replaced with something else, but I can't
 figure out what.  All of Andrew's examples with insertTextContent insert
 the content at a single location, not at a text range, so maybe I need a
 different function. If someone knows another method I'd appreciate the
 advice.

 Thanks,
 Matt

 On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi :)
 The best documentation is at;
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
 and the most recent full books are also on the official LibreOffice
 website.

 For macros i think the best book by far is Andrew Pitonyak's guide on

 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Other_
 Documentation_and_Resources#Programmers

 I'm not sure they will help for this specific use-case but they might
 help
 generally.
 Regards from
 Tom :)



 On 19 November 2014 16:05, Matt Price mopto...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi,

 I am trying to add a really simple macro that I can bind to a key.  I
 just
 want ot be able ot add checkmarks to student papers veyr quickly, so I
 would like to select a sentence or other text range, then press a key,
 and
 have the ckeckmark appear in a new comment.

 I can almost do htis, using code stolen from the web:

 rem---
 rem -- misleadingly named macro adds a simple hceckmark at point, or in
 response to highlighted text.
 sub createComment
  rem create the annotation object
  oAnno =
 ThisComponent.createInstance(com.sun.star.text.textfield.Annotation)
  rem Chr 10004 is the decimal for hex code 2714, heavy checkmark
  oAnno.Content = Chr(10004)
  oAnno.Author = Matt Price
  oText = ThisComponent.Text
  rem check to see if anything is selected
  oSels = ThisComponent.getCurrentSelection()
  If Not IsNull(oSels) Then
  rem I don't know what to put in here
  Else
  oVC = ThisComponent.CurrentController.ViewCursor
  oText.insertTextContent(oVC.Start, oAnno, False)
  End If
 end sub

 ---

 You can see that, if there's no selection, I already know how to insert
 the
 annotation.  But I don't know how to attach the annotation to the
 selected
 range instead of just the start of the cursor.

 In general, I don't know where to find the funciton references or even
 the
 source code for the relevant functions.  I'm finding it quite difficult
 to
 figure out how to learn to program -- is there comprehensive
 documentation
 somewhere?

 Thanks,

 Matt

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: macro to add annotation to selected text range

So, I gues there is an API reference:
http://api.libreoffice.org/docs/idl/ref/index.html

But unfortunately it doesn't give direct documentation for Basic
functions.  I found this document instead, which tells me where in the API
the actual function calls come from:

http://bernard.marcelly.perso.sfr.fr/index2.html

The useful macros are embedded in the XRay Tool.  It would sure be nice
to have something like this in the BASIC editor itself - -I am used to
having access to functions  documentation when I'm trying to program!





On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi :)
 On a linux command-line you can type whatever command and then add a
 --help or -h tag to get a really neat quick-cheat-sheet, 2 examples;

 ls --help
 dir -h

 Also can often type a command after man (short for manual) to get a much
 more verbose, but still quite geeky, detail about what the command can do.
 So;

 man ls
 man dir

 Also just typing

 help
 info

 often gives quite a bit of general help.

 Is there anything like that for macros?
 Regards from
 Tom :)



 On 19 November 2014 17:59, Matt Price mopto...@gmail.com wrote:

 Jim,

 That was it!  Or, almost.  I changed the line to:

  oText.insertTextContent(oVC, oAnno, True)
 

 And the annotation now gets attached to the whole range.

 I wish I knew how to find the documentation for these functions!  I don't
 know what the various parameters actually d -- what is the final Boolean
 doing there?  How do you know?

 But in any case, many thanks for solving htis problem, it's actually
 pretty
 awesome to be able to do this with a single keystroke!

 m



 On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Jim Byrnes jf_byr...@comcast.net
 wrote:

  On 11/19/2014 10:55 AM, Matt Price wrote:
 
  Thanks Tom,
 
  I've just spent some time looking htrough Andrew Pitonyak's macro
 guide.
  It helps a little but there doesn't seem to be any direct
 documentation of
  hte functions.  What I'm looking at is the second line reproduced
 below:
 
   oVC = ThisComponent.CurrentController.ViewCursor
   oText.insertTextContent(oVC.Start, oAnno, False)
 
 
  Matt,
  I don't use Writer much and honestly I'm not sure what you expect to
 see.
  Try this.  In the above two lines change Start to End and False to True
 and
  put those two lines right under your rem I don't know what to put in
 here
  line. Then select some text and run the macro.
 
  Regards,  Jim
 
 
   I think oVC.Start needs to be replaced with something else, but I can't
  figure out what.  All of Andrew's examples with insertTextContent
 insert
  the content at a single location, not at a text range, so maybe I need
 a
  different function. If someone knows another method I'd appreciate the
  advice.
 
  Thanks,
  Matt
 
  On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   Hi :)
  The best documentation is at;
  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
  and the most recent full books are also on the official LibreOffice
  website.
 
  For macros i think the best book by far is Andrew Pitonyak's guide on
 
  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Other_
  Documentation_and_Resources#Programmers
 
  I'm not sure they will help for this specific use-case but they might
  help
  generally.
  Regards from
  Tom :)
 
 
 
  On 19 November 2014 16:05, Matt Price mopto...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Hi,
 
  I am trying to add a really simple macro that I can bind to a key.  I
  just
  want ot be able ot add checkmarks to student papers veyr quickly, so
 I
  would like to select a sentence or other text range, then press a
 key,
  and
  have the ckeckmark appear in a new comment.
 
  I can almost do htis, using code stolen from the web:
 
  rem---
  rem -- misleadingly named macro adds a simple hceckmark at point, or
 in
  response to highlighted text.
  sub createComment
   rem create the annotation object
   oAnno =
 
 ThisComponent.createInstance(com.sun.star.text.textfield.Annotation)
   rem Chr 10004 is the decimal for hex code 2714, heavy
 checkmark
   oAnno.Content = Chr(10004)
   oAnno.Author = Matt Price
   oText = ThisComponent.Text
   rem check to see if anything is selected
   oSels = ThisComponent.getCurrentSelection()
   If Not IsNull(oSels) Then
   rem I don't know what to put in here
   Else
   oVC = ThisComponent.CurrentController.ViewCursor
   oText.insertTextContent(oVC.Start, oAnno, False)
   End If
  end sub
 
  ---
 
  You can see that, if there's no selection, I already know how to
 insert
  the
  annotation.  But I don't know how to attach the annotation to the
  selected
  range instead of just the start of the cursor.
 
  In general, I don't know where to find the funciton references or
 even
  the
  source code for the relevant functions.  I'm finding it quite
 difficult
  to
  figure out how to learn to

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files

Hi :)
Ahh, right.  Now i'm kinda regretting using 4-6 random letters but not
enough to repeat the experiment.  I suspect my adfs (or whatever) is
probably something like

E0\85\9F\F2\F9Oh \AB\91

Regards from
Tom :)


On 19 November 2014 17:40, Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de wrote:

 Am 19.11.2014 um 17:33 schrieb Tom Davies:
  I'm really not getting plain text.  When i right-click and open in a
  text-editor i get this sort of thing;

 Which is plain text in plain 7 bit ASCII. I can paste your rtf into any
 plain text editor, save as tom.rtf and open tom.rtf with any rtf capable
 word processor. Now I save this in binary .doc, open the doc in a text
 editor and what I see is this:

  \D0\CF ࡱ \E1\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00;\00
 \00\FE\FF\00 \00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00 \00\00\00
 \00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00 \00\00 \00\00\00
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files

Hi :)
Ahh, ok.  If that counts as plain text of a 5 (ish) letter document then
that explains a few misunderstandings i've had.
Regards from
Tom :)

On 19 November 2014 17:44, jomali jomali3...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sorry, Tom, that is plain text, just like HTML is plain text. Yes, it
 contains special codes, but it does not contain anything but plain ASCII
 characters.

 On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi :)
 I'm really not getting plain text.  When i right-click and open in a
 text-editor i get this sort of thing;

 {\rtf1\ansi\deff3\adeflang1025
 {\fonttbl{\f0\froman\fprq2\fcharset0 Times New
 Roman;}{\f1\froman\fprq2\fcharset2 Symbol;}{\f2\fswiss\fprq2\fcharset0
 Arial;}{\f3\froman\fprq2\fcharset0 Liberation Serif{\*\falt Times New
 Roman};}{\f4\fswiss\fprq2\fcharset0 Liberation Sans{\*\falt
 Arial};}{\f5\fnil\fprq2\fcharset0 Droid Sans
 Fallback;}{\f6\fnil\fprq2\fcharset0
 FreeSans;}{\f7\fswiss\fprq0\fcharset128
 FreeSans;}}
 {\colortbl;\red0\green0\blue0;\red128\green128\blue128;}

 {\stylesheet{\s0\snext0\nowidctlpar{\*\hyphen2\hyphlead2\hyphtrail2\hyphmax0}\cf0\kerning1\dbch\af5\langfe2052\dbch\af6\afs24\alang1081\loch\f3\fs24\lang2057
 Normal;}

 {\s15\sbasedon0\snext16\sb240\sa120\keepn\dbch\af5\dbch\af6\afs28\loch\f4\fs28
 Heading;}
 {\s16\sbasedon0\snext16\sl288\slmult1\sb0\sa140 Text Body;}
 {\s17\sbasedon16\snext17\sl288\slmult1\sb0\sa140\dbch\af7 List;}
 {\s18\sbasedon0\snext18\sb120\sa120\noline\i\dbch\af7\afs24\ai\fs24
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 Regards from
 Tom :)



 On 19 November 2014 16:16, Cley Faye cleyf...@gmail.com wrote:

  2014-11-19 16:58 GMT+01:00 Virgil Arrington arringto...@gmail.com:
 
   That's one of the things I've always liked about RTF. In a pinch, one
   could open an RTF file in Notepad and strip out all of the RTF coding
 and
   be left with a document's contents. I've never had to do it, but it's
  nice
   that it can be done. With a binary file, you're left with smiley faces
  and
   no visible content.
 
 
  Now, add a picture to your rtf file and see how fun it is to have all
  things in a plaintext, notepad friendly file format...
 
  More recent format like odt (and docx for that matter) are *WAY* better.
  (is there a way to emphasis this more?). They are in fact a collection
 of
  files in a simple ZIP, but the core of it (the text and structure) is
 in a
  straightforward XML file which is as plaintext as an RTF file. In
 fact,
  it's easier to strip the extra tags out of an XML file, since tools to
  manipulate/reformat XML are extremely common.
 
  With recent format, you get the possibility, should an issue arise, to
  extract the plaintext content, and even the attached files (pictures
 and
  other embedded OLE stuff) with common tools. This is even demonstrated
 on
  this list, when sometime someone get a corrupted file, and it is
 possible
  to recover it with stuff like notepad and windows' zip file explorer.
 
  There's no comparison between these format, heavily documented in case
 of
  ODT, that put a clear separation between content and format, and an RTF
  file that want to cram everything (content, format, and binary blobs for
  image) in a single plaintext file.
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: macro to add annotation to selected text range

Hi :)
On a linux command-line you can type whatever command and then add a
--help or -h tag to get a really neat quick-cheat-sheet, 2 examples;

ls --help
dir -h

Also can often type a command after man (short for manual) to get a much
more verbose, but still quite geeky, detail about what the command can do.
So;

man ls
man dir

Also just typing

help
info

often gives quite a bit of general help.

Is there anything like that for macros?
Regards from
Tom :)



On 19 November 2014 17:59, Matt Price mopto...@gmail.com wrote:

 Jim,

 That was it!  Or, almost.  I changed the line to:

  oText.insertTextContent(oVC, oAnno, True)
 

 And the annotation now gets attached to the whole range.

 I wish I knew how to find the documentation for these functions!  I don't
 know what the various parameters actually d -- what is the final Boolean
 doing there?  How do you know?

 But in any case, many thanks for solving htis problem, it's actually pretty
 awesome to be able to do this with a single keystroke!

 m



 On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Jim Byrnes jf_byr...@comcast.net
 wrote:

  On 11/19/2014 10:55 AM, Matt Price wrote:
 
  Thanks Tom,
 
  I've just spent some time looking htrough Andrew Pitonyak's macro guide.
  It helps a little but there doesn't seem to be any direct documentation
 of
  hte functions.  What I'm looking at is the second line reproduced below:
 
   oVC = ThisComponent.CurrentController.ViewCursor
   oText.insertTextContent(oVC.Start, oAnno, False)
 
 
  Matt,
  I don't use Writer much and honestly I'm not sure what you expect to see.
  Try this.  In the above two lines change Start to End and False to True
 and
  put those two lines right under your rem I don't know what to put in
 here
  line. Then select some text and run the macro.
 
  Regards,  Jim
 
 
   I think oVC.Start needs to be replaced with something else, but I can't
  figure out what.  All of Andrew's examples with insertTextContent insert
  the content at a single location, not at a text range, so maybe I need a
  different function. If someone knows another method I'd appreciate the
  advice.
 
  Thanks,
  Matt
 
  On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Hi :)
  The best documentation is at;
  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
  and the most recent full books are also on the official LibreOffice
  website.
 
  For macros i think the best book by far is Andrew Pitonyak's guide on
 
  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Other_
  Documentation_and_Resources#Programmers
 
  I'm not sure they will help for this specific use-case but they might
  help
  generally.
  Regards from
  Tom :)
 
 
 
  On 19 November 2014 16:05, Matt Price mopto...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Hi,
 
  I am trying to add a really simple macro that I can bind to a key.  I
  just
  want ot be able ot add checkmarks to student papers veyr quickly, so I
  would like to select a sentence or other text range, then press a key,
  and
  have the ckeckmark appear in a new comment.
 
  I can almost do htis, using code stolen from the web:
 
  rem---
  rem -- misleadingly named macro adds a simple hceckmark at point, or
 in
  response to highlighted text.
  sub createComment
   rem create the annotation object
   oAnno =
  ThisComponent.createInstance(com.sun.star.text.textfield.Annotation)
   rem Chr 10004 is the decimal for hex code 2714, heavy checkmark
   oAnno.Content = Chr(10004)
   oAnno.Author = Matt Price
   oText = ThisComponent.Text
   rem check to see if anything is selected
   oSels = ThisComponent.getCurrentSelection()
   If Not IsNull(oSels) Then
   rem I don't know what to put in here
   Else
   oVC = ThisComponent.CurrentController.ViewCursor
   oText.insertTextContent(oVC.Start, oAnno, False)
   End If
  end sub
 
  ---
 
  You can see that, if there's no selection, I already know how to
 insert
  the
  annotation.  But I don't know how to attach the annotation to the
  selected
  range instead of just the start of the cursor.
 
  In general, I don't know where to find the funciton references or even
  the
  source code for the relevant functions.  I'm finding it quite
 difficult
  to
  figure out how to learn to program -- is there comprehensive
  documentation
  somewhere?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Matt
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files

2014-11-19 Thread Cley Faye

Huhu. Someone needs to write an extension that save odt files as
base64-encoded. Tadaa, full plaintext files ;)

I'm joking of course. But although rtf is technically plaintext, in
practice it's not always straightforward to read with notepad, even when
the text isn't mangled away in some way. The only advantage I can see is
that it's easier to generate a simple RTF file from any program than to
generate an odt. Beyond that, the actual content of an RTF file is at best
as useful as the content of the content.xml file in an odt. Slightly more
even, as tools to manipulate xml are more common.

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2014-11-19 19:25 GMT+01:00 Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com:

 Hi :)
 Ahh, right.  Now i'm kinda regretting using 4-6 random letters but not
 enough to repeat the experiment.  I suspect my adfs (or whatever) is
 probably something like

 E0\85\9F\F2\F9Oh \AB\91

 Regards from
 Tom :)


 On 19 November 2014 17:40, Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de wrote:

  Am 19.11.2014 um 17:33 schrieb Tom Davies:
   I'm really not getting plain text.  When i right-click and open in a
   text-editor i get this sort of thing;
 
  Which is plain text in plain 7 bit ASCII. I can paste your rtf into any
  plain text editor, save as tom.rtf and open tom.rtf with any rtf capable
  word processor. Now I save this in binary .doc, open the doc in a text
  editor and what I see is this:
 
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  \00\FE\FF\00 \00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00 \00\00\00
  \00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00 \00\00 \00\00\00
 
 \00\00\00\FE\FF\FF\FF\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\F
 
 F\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FD\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FF\FE\FF\FF\FF
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[libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files

Am 19.11.2014 um 19:23 schrieb Tom Davies:
 Hi :)
 Ahh, ok.  If that counts as plain text of a 5 (ish) letter document then
 that explains a few misunderstandings i've had.
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 


It is a plain text description of an electronic document.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: macro to add annotation to selected text range

Am 19.11.2014 um 18:59 schrieb Matt Price:
 Jim,
 
 That was it!  Or, almost.  I changed the line to:
 
  oText.insertTextContent(oVC, oAnno, True)

 
 And the annotation now gets attached to the whole range.
 
 I wish I knew how to find the documentation for these functions!  I don't
 know what the various parameters actually d -- what is the final Boolean
 doing there?  How do you know?
 
 But in any case, many thanks for solving htis problem, it's actually pretty
 awesome to be able to do this with a single keystroke!
 
 m
 
 
 

It is self documenting. Every object tells everything about itself. All
you need is a tool to browse the object hierarchy starting from a given
object:

 http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/mri-uno-object-inspection-tool

OpenOffice tutorial on object inspection with MRI:

 https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74t=49294




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: macro to add annotation to selected text range

Thank you Andreas.  Unfortunately I don't seem to be able to install either
version of the MRI tool -- the unreleased 1.1.4 appears not to be a valid
zipfile, whiel 1.1.2 throws this error:

(com.sun.star.uno.RuntimeException) { { Message = class 'SyntaxError':
invalid syntax (MRI.py, line 21), traceback follows\X000a
/usr/lib/libreoffice/program/pythonloader.py:102 in function
getModuleFromUrl() [codeobject = compile( src, encfile(filename), \exec\
)]\X000a  /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/pythonloader.py:149 in function
writeRegistryInfo() [mod = self.getModuleFromUrl( locationUrl
)]\X000a\X000a, Context = (com.sun.star.uno.XInterface) @0 } }

I suppose this could be a problem with python version? I'm not certain.  In
any case, I'd really appreciate it if you could point me to a differnt
version or to some other tools.  Much appreciated!

Matt


On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de wrote:

 Am 19.11.2014 um 18:59 schrieb Matt Price:
  Jim,
 
  That was it!  Or, almost.  I changed the line to:
 
   oText.insertTextContent(oVC, oAnno, True)
 
 
  And the annotation now gets attached to the whole range.
 
  I wish I knew how to find the documentation for these functions!  I don't
  know what the various parameters actually d -- what is the final Boolean
  doing there?  How do you know?
 
  But in any case, many thanks for solving htis problem, it's actually
 pretty
  awesome to be able to do this with a single keystroke!
 
  m
 
 
 

 It is self documenting. Every object tells everything about itself. All
 you need is a tool to browse the object hierarchy starting from a given
 object:

 
 http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/mri-uno-object-inspection-tool

 OpenOffice tutorial on object inspection with MRI:

  https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74t=49294




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Report in Base not executed

2014-11-19 Thread Harvey Nimmo


 
 Tools - Options - Advanced
 and if LibreOffice grumbles then switch it back on again.  Most people
 find they can live without Java in LibreOffice and maybe even
 uninstall it.  
 

Indeed LibreOffice grumbles if I switch off Java. As soon as I try to
execute the report it reminds me that jre is not running and do I want
to switch it on. If I switch it on, I get the error message that the
JavaLoader cannot be found, as below:

SQL Status: S1000
An error occurred while creating the report.
An exception of type com.sun.star.uno.RuntimeException was caught.

javaloader error - could not find class
com/sun/star/comp/loader/JavaLoader

Where is this missing class to be found?

Cheers
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files

2014-11-19 Thread James Knott

On 11/17/2014 07:41 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:
 Windows comes with a perfect RTF editor called WordPad.

I thought it now used the new WTF format.  ;-)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: macro to add annotation to selected text range

2014-11-19 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak

Matt,

It occurs to me that I might come off a bit arrogant in my response,
but, my intention is to point you at a couple of places that contain the
answer to one of your questions. So, please grant me some grace while
reading and assume that I have the best of intentions. I have been
having some stressful days lately and I have very little time.

On 11/19/2014 12:59 PM, Matt Price wrote:

Jim,

That was it! Or, almost. I changed the line to:

oText.insertTextContent(oVC, oAnno, True)
And the annotation now gets attached to the whole range.

I wish I knew how to find the documentation for these functions! I don't
know what the various parameters actually d -- what is the final Boolean
doing there? How do you know?

The answer is well hidden, but I know where to look :-)

If you download this document (which has a bunch of macros so you will
be warned that it has macros, you may tell it no, do not enable macros
and it will still work fine, you just won't be able to click on all the
buttons that run the macros from the document).

http://www.pitonyak.org/OOME_3_0.odt

Table 123 says the following:

insertTextContent(XTextRange, XTextContent, boolean)

Insert text content such as a text table, text frame, or text field. In
general, the text content should be created by the text object. If the
Boolean value is True, the text in the text range is overwritten;
otherwise, the text content is inserted after the text range.

How did I now to put that into the document? I probably looked here:

AOO documentation here:
http://www.openoffice.org/api/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/text/XText.html#insertTextContent

or here:

LO documentation here:
http://api.libreoffice.org/docs/idl/ref/interfacecom_1_1sun_1_1star_1_1text_1_1XText.html

On the web site, it reads as follows:

void insertTextContent ( [in] com::sun::star::text::XTextRange
xRange,

[in] com::sun::star::text::XTextContent xContent,
[in] boolean bAbsorb
)

inserts a content, such as a text table, text frame or text field.

Which contents are accepted is implementation-specific. Some
implementations may only accept contents which were created by the
factory that supplied the same text or the document which contains the text.

Parameters
xRangespecifies the position of insertion.
xContentthe text content to be inserted.
bAbsorbspecifies whether the text spanned by xRange will be
replaced. If TRUE then the content of xRange will be replaced by
xContent, otherwise xContent will be inserted at the end of xRange.

No, if you are still reading, let me say that it was easy for me to find
because I have spent literally thousands of hours working on this stuff
and I knew exactly where to look and what to look for (especially since
you had a snippet). I do not expect that you would have found it as fast
as I and, it is also not clear that without more exposure that it would
have been clear that it was what you needed to see.

I found the LO link by searching for

libreoffice API insertTextContent

on Google. While playing with macros, it is common for me inspect the
objects in question (I wrote my own object inspector, many people use
XRay). I then identify method names that look promising and then use a
Google search to figure out how to use that method.

But in any case, many thanks for solving htis problem, it's actually pretty
awesome to be able to do this with a single keystroke!

Glad you figured it out.

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Jim Byrnes jf_byr...@comcast.net wrote:

On 11/19/2014 10:55 AM, Matt Price wrote:

Thanks Tom,

I've just spent some time looking htrough Andrew Pitonyak's macro guide.
It helps a little but there doesn't seem to be any direct documentation of
hte functions. What I'm looking at is the second line reproduced below:

oVC = ThisComponent.CurrentController.ViewCursor
oText.insertTextContent(oVC.Start, oAnno, False)

Matt,
I don't use Writer much and honestly I'm not sure what you expect to see.
Try this. In the above two lines change Start to End and False to True and
put those two lines right under your rem I don't know what to put in here
line. Then select some text and run the macro.

Regards, Jim

I think oVC.Start needs to be replaced with something else, but I can't

figure out what. All of Andrew's examples with insertTextContent insert
the content at a single location, not at a text range, so maybe I need a
different function. If someone knows another method I'd appreciate the
advice.

Thanks,
Matt

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi :)

The best documentation is at;
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
and the most recent full books are also on the official LibreOffice
website.

For macros i think the best book by far is Andrew Pitonyak's guide on

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Other_

[libreoffice-users] Re: macro to add annotation to selected text range

2014-11-19 Thread Jim Byrnes


On 11/19/2014 12:30 PM, Matt Price wrote:

So, I gues there is an API reference:
http://api.libreoffice.org/docs/idl/ref/index.html


I had trouble loading that page.

I usually use the OpenOffice one at:
 http://www.openoffice.org/api/docs/common/ref/index-files/index-1.html


But unfortunately it doesn't give direct documentation for Basic
functions.  I found this document instead, which tells me where in the API
the actual function calls come from:


Yes, lack of more comprehensive documentation is a real pain.  Hopefully 
someone with more knowledge than myself will comment on what I am about 
to write if I am wrong.  With the exception of ThisComponent, what you 
refer to as Basic functions are not really Basic functions at all. Basic 
simply uses functions/methods supplied by Uno.  I could write the same 
macro in Python but still use the same functions.


To me Uno is a huge complex beast that is sparsely documented and hard 
to use, but very powerful if you understand it.


 Regards, Jim


http://bernard.marcelly.perso.sfr.fr/index2.html

The useful macros are embedded in the XRay Tool.  It would sure be nice
to have something like this in the BASIC editor itself - -I am used to
having access to functions  documentation when I'm trying to program!





On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi :)
On a linux command-line you can type whatever command and then add a
--help or -h tag to get a really neat quick-cheat-sheet, 2 examples;

ls --help
dir -h

Also can often type a command after man (short for manual) to get a much
more verbose, but still quite geeky, detail about what the command can do.
So;

man ls
man dir

Also just typing

help
info

often gives quite a bit of general help.

Is there anything like that for macros?
Regards from
Tom :)



On 19 November 2014 17:59, Matt Price mopto...@gmail.com wrote:


Jim,

That was it!  Or, almost.  I changed the line to:

  oText.insertTextContent(oVC, oAnno, True)




And the annotation now gets attached to the whole range.

I wish I knew how to find the documentation for these functions!  I don't
know what the various parameters actually d -- what is the final Boolean
doing there?  How do you know?

But in any case, many thanks for solving htis problem, it's actually
pretty
awesome to be able to do this with a single keystroke!

m



On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Jim Byrnes jf_byr...@comcast.net
wrote:


On 11/19/2014 10:55 AM, Matt Price wrote:


Thanks Tom,

I've just spent some time looking htrough Andrew Pitonyak's macro

guide.

It helps a little but there doesn't seem to be any direct

documentation of

hte functions.  What I'm looking at is the second line reproduced

below:


  oVC = ThisComponent.CurrentController.ViewCursor
  oText.insertTextContent(oVC.Start, oAnno, False)



Matt,
I don't use Writer much and honestly I'm not sure what you expect to

see.

Try this.  In the above two lines change Start to End and False to True

and

put those two lines right under your rem I don't know what to put in

here

line. Then select some text and run the macro.

Regards,  Jim


  I think oVC.Start needs to be replaced with something else, but I can't

figure out what.  All of Andrew's examples with insertTextContent

insert

the content at a single location, not at a text range, so maybe I need

a

different function. If someone knows another method I'd appreciate the
advice.

Thanks,
Matt

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com

wrote:


  Hi :)

The best documentation is at;
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
and the most recent full books are also on the official LibreOffice
website.

For macros i think the best book by far is Andrew Pitonyak's guide on

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Other_
Documentation_and_Resources#Programmers

I'm not sure they will help for this specific use-case but they might
help
generally.
Regards from
Tom :)



On 19 November 2014 16:05, Matt Price mopto...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi,


I am trying to add a really simple macro that I can bind to a key.  I
just
want ot be able ot add checkmarks to student papers veyr quickly, so

I

would like to select a sentence or other text range, then press a

key,

and
have the ckeckmark appear in a new comment.

I can almost do htis, using code stolen from the web:

rem---
rem -- misleadingly named macro adds a simple hceckmark at point, or

in

response to highlighted text.
sub createComment
  rem create the annotation object
  oAnno =


ThisComponent.createInstance(com.sun.star.text.textfield.Annotation)

  rem Chr 10004 is the decimal for hex code 2714, heavy

checkmark

  oAnno.Content = Chr(10004)
  oAnno.Author = Matt Price
  oText = ThisComponent.Text
  rem check to see if anything is selected
  oSels = ThisComponent.getCurrentSelection()
  If Not IsNull(oSels) Then
  rem I

[libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files


Tom Davies:


The Rtf spec kept changing at any whim of MS's.  They wouldn't publish the
new specs until month or even years later.


RTF spec is changed according to new product features. Also, it is 
extensible, so you can implement any subset you need being able to safely 
ignore the rest and following changes. It is not a problem.




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