[libreoffice-users] Re: Libra Office on a Mac Mini (compared to Ms Office or default installed iWorks Apps)

[Andreas Säger]

No, it is not as feature packed as MSOffice.
What do you mean with "compatibility"? It can open more file formats
than other products. Sometimes you notice some difference in layout and
format compared to the original, sometimes not. Same as with any other
software when opening complex foreign file formats.

LibreOffice fully implements (and is built around) the OpenDocument
standard. If you are not interested in using OpenDocument, then there is
no reason to use LibreOffice. In particular, this is not an alternative
editor for MS Office documents.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument

Dozends of software products (including the latest MSOffice) can handle
OpenDocument.
Furthermore, LibreOffice supports PDF as export format.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: [LibreOffice 5.0.1.2] How to play an animated slide?

[Gilles]

anne-ology wrote
> Maybe you've found a bug in your version because the slides stay animated
> for me;

Or maybe it's file-dependent.

As a work-around, I just took screenshots from MS PowerPoint Viewer.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: [LibreOffice 5.0.1.2] How to export a single file from a PPT file?

[Gilles]

anne-ology wrote
> you could 'hide' all the slides except the one you wish to show

Didn't know that feature. I'll keep it handy for the next time.

Thank you.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Libra Office on a Mac Mini (compared to Ms Office or default installed iWorks Apps)

[Andreas Säger]

Am 17.09.2015 um 13:08 schrieb James Knott:
> On 09/17/2015 03:25 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:
>> In particular, this is not an alternative
>> editor for MS Office documents.
> 
> Your comments are contrary to the experiences of many who have used
> LibreOffice and OpenOffice for years.
> 
> 
> 
As an ODF suite, it is an alternative to MSOffice indeed. However it is
not a good alternative if you store your work in MSOffice formats all
the time. Macro compatibility is close to zero (nice try at best).


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libra Office on a Mac Mini (compared to Ms Office or default installed iWorks Apps)

[Jaroslaw Staniek]

On 17 September 2015 at 14:04, Andreas Säger  wrote:
> Am 17.09.2015 um 13:08 schrieb James Knott:
>> On 09/17/2015 03:25 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:
>>> In particular, this is not an alternative
>>> editor for MS Office documents.
>>
>> Your comments are contrary to the experiences of many who have used
>> LibreOffice and OpenOffice for years.
>>
>>
>>
> As an ODF suite, it is an alternative to MSOffice indeed. However it is
> not a good alternative if you store your work in MSOffice formats all
> the time. Macro compatibility is close to zero (nice try at best).

Macros are not standardised, last I checked docs are not even
disclosed or leaked. Sometimes parts of that are just
reverse-engineered.[*] In languages world semi-solutions are
frustrating.

Example: Imagine how great would be the C++ support in MS Visual
Studio if C++ was a secret language developed by competition...

[*] Which is not legal in some countries :)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libra Office on a Mac Mini (compared to Ms Office or default installed iWorks Apps)

[James Knott]

On 09/16/2015 02:20 PM, Robert Watt wrote:
> Taking the above in account, which ‘version’ of Libre Office is compatible  
> with the latest version of Mac OSX (my Mac Mini is at v’10.10.5 Yosemite).

Go to www.libreoffice.org and download the latest version.  While I
can't speak specifically about your situation, LibreOffice is an
excellent office suite that's compatible with MS Office formats, as well
as the ISO standard OpenDocument formats.  As the help desk suggested
it, I assume it's OK for your needs.  So, why not give it a try?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libra Office on a Mac Mini (compared to Ms Office or default installed iWorks Apps)

[James Knott]

On 09/17/2015 03:25 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:
> In particular, this is not an alternative
> editor for MS Office documents.

Your comments are contrary to the experiences of many who have used
LibreOffice and OpenOffice for years.



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[libreoffice-users] SUMIF function gives Err:504 for external references

[Javi Legido]

Hi there.

I'm using Calc Libreoffice Version: 5.0.1.2.0+ Build ID: 00m0(Build:2).

Steps to reproduce:

1. Create /tmp/a.ods with below data:

year month amount
2015 1 10
2015 1 20
2015 2 5

2. Create /tmp/b.ods with below function:

=SUMIFS('file:///tmp/a.ods'#$Sheet1.C2:C4,'file:///tmp/a.ods'#$Sheet1.B2:B4,1,'file:///tmp/a.ods'#$Sheet1.A2:A4,2015)

What I expect?

To get a "20" value

What I get?

Err:504

Tips:

-If I use the function assistant after fill the 1st parameter, I get Err:511
-If you use below function in "/tmp/a.ods" it works:

=SUMIFS(C2:C4,B2:B4,1,A2:A4,2015)

A similar bug was reported:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64229_from=fdo

Cheers.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Libra Office on a Mac Mini (compared to Ms Office or default installed iWorks Apps)

[Ken Springer]

Ah, the universal question...  What do you NEED it to do...  That's a 
question only you and your professors  and course requirements in the 
future can answer.


Overall, I don't think you'll have a problem.  IMO, your biggest hurdle 
may be a professor who insists on submittals in either .doc or .docx 
format.  I've yet to stumble on to a word processor that is 100% 
compatible with MS Word in this respect.  The same probably applies to 
Excel spreadsheets, and I know it happens with PowerPoint.  A friend 
just tried to open a PowerPoint doc using both the latest version of 
Impress from Libre Office and Open Office, and it was a royal pain.


But as someone mentioned, try to stay away from complex documents as 
they will be more problematic.


My suggestion would be to submit your papers in PDF format.  While LO, 
OO, MS Office, and lots of programs offer PDF file export, not all 
programs have that export feature.  But on the Mac Mini you say you will 
be using, it doesn't matter.  When you are ready to create the final 
document for submission to your professors, from ANY program, select 
Print.  In the lower left corner of the dialog box is a PDF button. 
Click on it, and you'll be able to create and store a PDF on your hard 
drive, and anyone with a  PDF reader can read and annotate (mark it up 
electronically) the file and return it to you.  Then, on the Mini, 
simply open the file in Preview and you should be off to the races.


FYI, the iWorks apps are not a "default".  They are not included with 
Macs when you buy the computer, they are purchased through the App 
Store.  If you were to save and submit a file in Pages file format, your 
professor would also need to have Pages in order to read it .  However, 
all three programs will save a document in MS Office file formats.  Be 
aware that you will need to know what features are supported between the 
programs.  Keynote has features that are unsupported in PowerPoint, and 
I'm sure the reverse is true.


Pages 09 does have comments, I don't know about the current version. 
I've read in the past in a Mac magazine that Apple removed some features 
from the current iWorks offerings.


The fact that OU has the software installed implies their professors (at 
least a portion of them) have no problems with files created with the 
Mini.  Ask your professor.  :-)




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Re: [libreoffice-users] OS hangs while visiting a LO wiki page

[Gordon Burgess-Parker]

On 15/09/15 21:43, libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:



I use Mozilla SeaMonkey 2.33.1 (based on Firefox 36),
Mark.



And LO, so why are you bothering with Windows? Install Linux!

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Libra Office on a Mac Mini (compared to Ms Office or default installed iWorks Apps)

[Alexander Thurgood]

Le 16/09/2015 20:20, Robert Watt a écrit :

Hi Robert,

The latest version of LibreOffice will work on your Mac Mini with
Yosemite. You can install versions from the AppStore, or else download
them from the LibreOffice web site. Some people have reported
differences in behaviour or bugs in the AppStore versions, as these are
built slightly differently from the currently available downloads on the
LibreOffice website by a private company.

In terms of how well it handles Microsoft Office document formats : well
it depends, on the whole pretty well, but there are still some (for some
people too many) issues, and no doubt always will be. No import / export
filter is perfect.

As for comment management, there are issues there too, especially when
moving from one format to the other, but Office 2011 for Mac (which
costs a damn sight more), doesn't even handle comments properly between
Mac and Windows ! Perhaps things are better with the latest offering
from Microsoft with Office 2016, but that still has a cost (and
currently requires a yearly subscription to Office 365).

Nothing is perfect, but it should be good enough, especially if the OU
tech support are recommending it as a possibility. I am somewhat
surprised that the OU hasn't embraced the government's own mandate for
use of the ODF standard, but I guess old habits die hard amongst the
teaching profession.


Alex



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Re: [libreoffice-users] OS hangs while visiting a LO wiki page

[Tom Williams]

On 09/16/2015 01:39 PM, Ady Ady wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:53 PM,
>  wrote:
>> Simos Xenitellis wrote:
>>> (obviously we are off-topic)
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 8:46 PM, 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Tom Williams wrote:

> On 09/15/2015 01:43 PM, libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
>
>> Ady Ady wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Users of LibreOffice,
>>>
>>> Once in a while I visit the Release Plan wiki page,
>>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan
>>>
>>>From that wiki page, I recently tried to visit the "5.0.2" -> "RC1"
>>> page (more than once), but my OS hangs when I click on the relevant
>>> link.
>>>
>>> Of course, it could be just a coincidence. I am reluctant to try to
>>> reach these pages again, especially considering that every new wiki
>>> page in the series is based on the prior one.
>>>
>>> I am using Windows Vista Home Basic 32-bit, with Internet Explorer 9
>>> and Mozilla Firefox 40.0.3, all updated.
>>>
>>> The strange behavior happened with both web browsers.
>>>
>>> I don't know whether some security tool being in use (e.g. Avast)
>>> might be relevant.
>>>
>>> I wanted to share this unusual experience, in case someone else
>>> happens to see it too (or something similar, or at least uncommon),
>>> and/or maybe it might be worth someone checking the source of these
>>> wiki pages (and their related nested templates).
>>>
>>> I am aware that this behavior (hanging OS) would be considered
>>> "unlikely to be triggered by some wiki page". The fact that it
>>> happened to me more than once while following the same links (but
>>> nowhere else) pushed me to at least comment on it.
>>>
>> Interesting... I don't see a problem with that page at the moment.
>> However, since mid July I have been experiencing occasional OS hangs
>> which seem to be triggered by visiting certain web pages or sometimes
>> scrolling down the page slightly even after it's been loaded for a
>> while. Revisiting the same page doesn't necessarily trigger another
>> hang, but some pages seem to be more prone to it than others.
>>
>> I use Windows Vista Business 32-bit, Mozilla SeaMonkey 2.33.1 (based
>> on Firefox 36), Avast antivirus.
>>
>> One site (www.discount-electrical.co.uk) seemed to be particularly
>> troublesome. At one point I couldn't even add a few items to the
>> shopping cart and check out before the OS hung. Hangs seemed to be
>> less frequent using Chrome instead, but I did still get a few. I
>> didn't try IE.
>>
>> I haven't had so much trouble since mid August, but then again I
>> haven't been visiting the sites which seemed to be triggering the
>> problem so much lately either. Still get a couple of unexplained hangs
>> a week though.
>>
>> I can't be certain that visiting the web sites is/was the trigger, or
>> whether that's just coincidental. As you say, it does seem unlikely!
>> If anything, I'd suspect some interaction with a Windows update or
>> perhaps Flash or Avast, since I'd just got back from holiday and
>> installed a load of updates just before the problems started. Another
>> possibility for me is overheating or failing hardware (this is a 9
>> year old laptop so getting on a bit!) but I haven't got around to
>> investigating further.
>>
>> Mark.
>>
>>
>> So, when the problem happens for you, what do you do to recover?  How
>> do
> you get the system working again?  Have you checked the Windows Event
> Viewer for log messages?  There might be a log message around the time
> the system hangs.
>
> Peace..
>
> "The Other"  Tom
>
 For me the whole OS completely hangs and I have to kill the power (press
 and hold power button for a few seconds). Ctrl+Alt+Del does nothing,
 mouse
 pointer doesn't move, and num lock / caps lock don't respond (they often
 at
 least toggle the keyboard lights even if nothing else responds; in this
 case even that stops responding).

 I haven't got around to investigating thoroughly, but things I have tried
 include:
 - Just leaving it for over half an hour to see if it would start
 responding again; it didn't.
 - Checking event logs; there's nothing obviously relevant, except the
 expected complaints during the next startup related to not having been
 shut
 down properly.
 - Keeping Task Manager / Sysinternals Process Explorer open before it
 hangs, but there's no obvious peak in processor or memory usage, or any
 particular process's activity - but they might just not get a chance to
 update the display when it does hang.
 - Some of the memory and CPU load tests from 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Libra Office on a Mac Mini (compared to Ms Office or default installed iWorks Apps)

[Gordon Burgess-Parker]

On 16/09/15 19:20, Robert Watt wrote:

Hi,

I have never used Libre Office before, or any ‘Office’ type software, other 
than Microsoft Office 2000, 2003,
You'll find LO quite similar in looks to Office 2003. The only thing you 
need to know is that it doesn't contain any sort of mail or PIM client.




I am now (as of Sept 2015) an OU student and am of limited means, so The 'Open 
University Computing Helpdesk’ advised me that I could try Libre Office  - as 
it is free and will ‘do’ whatever Microsoft Office is capable of ‘doing’ in 
respect of what I NEED it to be capable of ‘doing’, in order to create any and 
all documents, essays, assignments, projects, etc for my B.A.(Hon’s) History 
degree course.

Is it the case that Libre Office is as 'feature packed' as Ms Office, or are 
there some important features that will be missing from Libre Office when 
compared to Ms Office?
If the Helpdesk say it's fine to use LO, then it's fine to use LO! 
You'll find that unless you need to create extremely complex formatted 
document, then LibreOffice WILL do everything you need.
For "normal" use then LO certainly contains as much functionality as MSO 
- indeed when I was a Systems Accountant for two large PLCs, I suspect 
that we could have easily used LO instead of MSO!


Good luck!

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice writer very slow with comments open

[jorge]

Hi Kropotkin and all:

Try increase memory asigned to LibreOffice:

Menu-Tools-Options-Memory

Regards,

Jorge Rodríguez



El mar, 15-09-2015 a las 14:59 -0700, kropotkin escribió:
> Hello all, 
> 
> I'm using Libreoffice Writer 5 on Kubuntu 14.04. It is very, very slow if I
> have the comments open to view on the right hand side. By "very slow", I
> mean that it is unresponsive to any command, and I can easily type faster
> than it will keep up with. If I hide the comments, there is no problem.
> 
> Of course, sometimes, one can just not have the comments open -- but that's
> not possible if you're using the program to write documents collaboratively.
> 
> I have tried all the usual advice about slowness with Libreoffice, viz.
> changing the memory settings. This has made no difference. 
> 
> Any advice gratefully received!
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] OS hangs while visiting a LO wiki page

[libreoffice-ml . mbourne]

Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

On 15/09/15 21:43, libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:



I use Mozilla SeaMonkey 2.33.1 (based on Firefox 36),
Mark.



And LO, so why are you bothering with Windows? Install Linux!


The main limiting factor is time. Installing Linux is relatively easy; 
getting everything else I currently use to work, or finding 
alternatives, is rather more time consuming - there's a good deal more 
than just a web browser and office suite! Some software and hardware I 
use doesn't work with Linux, or at least didn't when I last tried.


I used to dual boot with Linux about 10 years ago, but never got around 
to setting it up on my current laptop. Support for some things has 
probably improved since then, but there are some things which I doubt 
will ever be well supported (Sony SonicStage and NetMD player in 
particular comes to mind). When I have time, I'll give it another shot, 
but then I've been saying that for the last 10 years...


Mark.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Libreoffice writer very slow with comments open

[kropotkin]

Thanks for this, Jorge, but unfortunately it doesn't work. To be clear, 
when I said:

"I have tried all the usual advice about slowness with Libreoffice, 
viz.  changing the memory settings"

I meant that I had tried just what you suggest (and decreasing the undo 
steps, and so on).

Oh well. Will have to find an alternative. LO is unusable for what I 
need as things stand.

Nick



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libra Office on a Mac Mini (compared to Ms Office or default installed iWorks Apps)

[toki]

On 16/09/15 18:20, Robert Watt wrote:

> Is it the case that Libre Office is as 'feature packed' as Ms Office, 
>or are there some important features that will be missing from Libre
Office when compared to Ms Office?

This really depends upon your specific use case, and what else you will
be using in conjunction with LibO, or MSO.

If all you are doing is using the basic office suite, with no additional
templates, extensions, etc, then both programs have features that the
other lacks, and both programs have features that are more akin to bugs,
than functional items.

OTOH, if you are using templates for MSO that have an MSRP of
US$100,000, then LibO will be a horrible fail for you.
Likewise, if you are using software that expects to interact with MSO,
the LibO will be a fail, for you.

On the gripping hand, if you are using software that expects to interact
with LibO, then MSO will be a disastrous fail for you.

Andreas wrote:

>No, it is not as feature packed as MSOffice.

This is true. I can't trigger the Blue Screen of Death when opening
documents with LibO, when opening the same document with MSO results in
an instant Blue Screen of Death. As such, LibO is obviously
dysfunctional, and inferior to MSO, for doing responding in the
appropriate manner.
(Fourteen years on, and the same documents that gave MSO97 on Win2K the
Blue Screen of Death, trigger the Blue Screen of Death with MSO2013 and
Win 8.0.)

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libra Office on a Mac Mini (compared to Ms Office or default installed iWorks Apps)

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
The short answer is yes.  You can trust the OU in this!  :)

Alex Thergood is more expert with Macs than most of us here.  He is one of
many people on this mailing list whose advice i trust and take a lot of
notice of.

You do need a separate emailer.  Many people seem to use Thunderbird but i
am not sure what people tend to prefer on Macs.



In more and more detail ...


LibreOffice has all the functionality you or anyone else are ever likely to
need.

Almost invariably when people or magazine articles attempts to claim
otherwise it's because they haven't tried, haven't even googled "how to",
nor read any documentation (available free), nor asked any of our or other
user support systems.
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications



LibreOffice is free and easy to install on all the various systems
currently in common usage for such work.  It is also highly compatible with
a wide range of other programs - to an extent that even different versions
of MS Office are not quite compatible with each other!  So if there is
anyone who still can't use 'our' format it's quite easy for them to use
Google-docs or even download and install OpenOffice/LibreOffice for free
and with little effort.  It's a bit like if a system can't read a Pdf! :)


LibreOffice does have features that MS Office lacks - and along with
OpenOffice (and many others) has, by it's very nature, many capabilities
that MS Office either lacks completely or that would cost a lot to add to a
standard MS Office bundle.  There are many add-ons/plugins, we still call
them "Extensions" rather than use those new-fangled terms! ;)

One feature is that you can use an iPhone or Android phone as the remote
control device for presentations.  Also it is easy to change all the menus,
dialogues and pop-ups to one or more of over a hundred human languages.


The OpenSource ethos is quite different so occasionally things are called
by a different name and/or appear in a different place in the menus.  We
share that ethos with many other programs and it's similar to the ethos of
OpenOffice.  The ethos is a bit different from Google-docs but not hugely
so.  So, once you get used to such a non-MS program then you'll find you
are much more able to change to others or swap around using different ones
to suit different circumstances.

Macros can sometimes be a problem but since the OU has said that
LibreOffice is suitable they will have taken that into account.  Many
places manage to totally avoid using macros anyway.  MS macros have so
often been used to infect machines with malware that many places block all
macros.  Again MS macros often seem a bit incompatible between different
versions of MS Office.  I've worked in offices for over 30 years and never
used or needed macros.


Compatibility issues are often talked about in the Microsoft world because
MS seems to constantly create problems around this issue.  Each version of
MS Office uses a different "transitional" version of their OOXML format and
this forces people to keep buying different versions of MS Office in order
to remain compatible with each other.  It could even be seen as a marketing
ploy.  This seems to be true of macros too, as well as formats.

You wont have to worry about this though because the OU has stated that
it's Ok to use LibreOffice and our format stays the same throughout all the
various versions.  So you should be able to easily share documents with
other people, and if anyone struggles then they can download and install it
for free anyway.

It is not really accurate to call it "our" format because it is an ISO
format that is developed by a world-wide organisation that is comprised of
a vast number of different companies (and individuals).  So unlike
Microsoft's ever-changing formats it doesn't keep changing at the drop of a
hat.  So the "LibreOffice" format is also the "OpenOffice" format, is also
the "Calligra" format, is also the "KOffice" format, is also the "Abiword
and Gnumeric" format, is also the IBM Lotus Symphony format, and on and
on.  The documentation describing the format is freely available to anyone
= so even far off into the future almost "any Tom, Dick or Harry" could
throw together something to read and use the format.  The MS formats
(including their old Rtf format) is not future-proof in this way because
even their own implementations of their own formats is a bit different from
the way they defined it - and inconsistent between any 2 versions of their
programs.

While almost everyone else has been happily using 'our' OpenDocument Format
1.2 for many years Microsoft decided to try implementing the older ODF 1.1
instead in their 2007 and 2010 versions.  Although everyone else seemed to
find it very easy to write code to use that format for some reason MS
couldn't quite manage it and botched their reading of ODF spreadsheets
really horribly.  They have promised to have ODF 1.2 in their 2013 and
their "365".  However MS have made similar promises 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libra Office on a Mac Mini (compared to Ms Office or default installed iWorks Apps)

[James Knott]

On 09/17/2015 08:04 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:
> Am 17.09.2015 um 13:08 schrieb James Knott:
>> On 09/17/2015 03:25 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:
>>> In particular, this is not an alternative
>>> editor for MS Office documents.
>> Your comments are contrary to the experiences of many who have used
>> LibreOffice and OpenOffice for years.
>>
>>
>>
> As an ODF suite, it is an alternative to MSOffice indeed. However it is
> not a good alternative if you store your work in MSOffice formats all
> the time. Macro compatibility is close to zero (nice try at best).
>
>

Well, I've never had any issue with MS documents and I have never run MS
Office on my own computers.  Given the comments made by the OP, I
suspect LibreOffice is entirely suitable form them.


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