[libreoffice-users] Re: Digital signatures

[Andreas Säger]

Am 15.10.2015 um 12:07 schrieb Евгений:
> Hello.
> 
> "Writer 4.2 Guide" from second link.
> 
> =


I prefer the AOO documentation
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/How_to_use_digital_Signatures





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Digital signatures

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I think post it as a bug-report.

I'm sure you are probably experienced at this but jic, and mostly for other
people to take note of  ...
When you post a bug-report it's a lot like writing an email.  The subject
line needs to be a very short indication of what the problem is.  People
have a tendency to write something like "problem with LibreOffice" but
since all bug-reports are problems and the whole bug-reporting system is
dedicated to just LibreOffice such a line doesn't help.  For this
bug-report something like "certificates, attaching self-signed or personal
ones in LO 5.0.2 in Windows", something nice and succinct.  Being succinct
is NOT something i'm good at!! So, you'll probably have a better idea.

Note that you can always add extra 'emails', including attachments, to it
later.  So you can post with fairly little information if you need to dig
around to find all the bits a good bug-report would need.  It's better
if you can get it all together fairly quickly but doesn't all HAVE to be in
the first post = it's just better if you can.

There are several drop-down menus to set "urgency" and stuff.  Mostly QA
and the devs handle that but one of them has "feature request" as one of
the options.  It might be worth posting this as a feature request.


It sounds like LibreOffice can use either a "self-signed" one or a
"personal" one.  I read those instructions as just advice that it's better
to use "a personal certificate".

It sounds like whichever you use is used in the same way but that if you
can use a "personal" one it is likely to be even more trusted than a
self-signed one.  I think just go for a self-signed one for now unless you
already have a "personal" one = or unless you are doing this as part of the
verification process or something like that.


There is online help in the wiki and an Faq in there.  If you can read
something other than English then the online help or the help built into
LibreOffice might give slightly different instructions that help you figure
out how to attach the certificates.  If you only read English it still
might but the translated versions of all other documentation tends to be
better in non-English.  The English version is designed to be easier to
translate.  In English the best help is the published guides that you've
already read.

Regards from
Tom :)




On 15 October 2015 at 11:07, Евгений  wrote:

> Hello.
>
> "Writer 4.2 Guide" from second link.
>
> =
> Certificate Path
>
> Note
> This option appears only on Linux and Mac systems. On Windows, LibreOffice
> uses
> the default Windows location for storing and retrieving certificates.
>
> Users can digitally sign documents using LibreOffice. A digital signature
> requires a personal
> signing certificate. Most operating systems can generate a self-signed
> certificate. However, a
> personal certificate issued by an outside agency (after verifying an
> individual's identity) has a
> higher degree of trust associated with it than does a self-signed
> certificate. LibreOffice does not
> provide a secure method of storing these certificates, but it can access
> certificates that have
> been saved using other programs. Click Certificate and select which
> certificate store to use.
> =
>
> Is it mean, that in LO i can use only self-signed certificates to sign
> documents?
>
> My problem is that LO do not add my certificate, but can see it in
> certificate store (i try it on windows).
> Is it bug and i should report it or this is normal behavior?
>
>
> 12.10.2015, 22:56, "Tom Davies" :
> > Hi :)
> > Do the "Published Guides" help at all? They are both here;
> > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
> > and here;
> > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/documentation/
> > and a few other places but those two links have them for free.
> >
> > The Published Guides are usually the best documentation in English. There
> > is the Faq and the 'in-built' help but the Published Guides tend to be a
> > LOT better. The other help tends to be MUCH easier to translate, and
> > people work hard at that, so the translations tend to be excellent but
> for
> > English please try the Published Guides. Having said that i'm not sure if
> > they cover this issue! Please let us know.
> > Regards from
> > Tom :) 
> >
> > On 12 October 2015 at 14:49, Philip Jackson 
> > wrote:
> >
> >>  Hi, I have been using signatures occasionally over the past couple of
> years
> >>  without any problem. I initially used Firefox to load my signature
> >>  together
> >>  with the root. LO swriter then had no problem finding the certificate
> and
> >>  signing with it.
> >>
> >>  Now, my old certificate has expired and I have the replacement
> certificate
> >>  installed in FireFox..
> >>
> >>  Your email prompted me to try and sign a document with my new
> >>  certificate. LO
> >>  cannot see my new certificate (only the old expired one).
> >>
> >>  As usual 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Digital signatures

[Евгений]

Hello.

"Writer 4.2 Guide" from second link.

=
Certificate Path

Note
This option appears only on Linux and Mac systems. On Windows, LibreOffice uses
the default Windows location for storing and retrieving certificates.

Users can digitally sign documents using LibreOffice. A digital signature 
requires a personal
signing certificate. Most operating systems can generate a self-signed 
certificate. However, a
personal certificate issued by an outside agency (after verifying an 
individual's identity) has a
higher degree of trust associated with it than does a self-signed certificate. 
LibreOffice does not
provide a secure method of storing these certificates, but it can access 
certificates that have
been saved using other programs. Click Certificate and select which certificate 
store to use.
=

Is it mean, that in LO i can use only self-signed certificates to sign 
documents?

My problem is that LO do not add my certificate, but can see it in certificate 
store (i try it on windows).
Is it bug and i should report it or this is normal behavior?


12.10.2015, 22:56, "Tom Davies" :
> Hi :)
> Do the "Published Guides" help at all? They are both here;
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
> and here;
> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/documentation/
> and a few other places but those two links have them for free.
>
> The Published Guides are usually the best documentation in English. There
> is the Faq and the 'in-built' help but the Published Guides tend to be a
> LOT better. The other help tends to be MUCH easier to translate, and
> people work hard at that, so the translations tend to be excellent but for
> English please try the Published Guides. Having said that i'm not sure if
> they cover this issue! Please let us know.
> Regards from
> Tom :) 
>
> On 12 October 2015 at 14:49, Philip Jackson 
> wrote:
>
>>  Hi, I have been using signatures occasionally over the past couple of years
>>  without any problem. I initially used Firefox to load my signature
>>  together
>>  with the root. LO swriter then had no problem finding the certificate and
>>  signing with it.
>>
>>  Now, my old certificate has expired and I have the replacement certificate
>>  installed in FireFox..
>>
>>  Your email prompted me to try and sign a document with my new
>>  certificate. LO
>>  cannot see my new certificate (only the old expired one).
>>
>>  As usual (see recent threads) the LO Help doesn't actually help very
>>  much. It
>>  talks about an ADD button in the Digital Signing dialog but I don't get an
>>  ADD
>>  button. I can sign with the old certificate even though it is expired and
>>  then
>>  the document shows that the signature is broken.
>>
>>  I used FireFox to remove my expired certificate and even after rebooting
>>  LO only
>>  sees the expired one and not the new one. Still no ADD button so does LO
>>  limit
>>  users to a single certificate ? Where does LO store the certificates ?
>>
>>  I found the answer to this by looking in the LO writer
>>  Tools/Options/LibreOffice/Security tab
>>
>>  There the bottom item was Certificate Path and it gave me two choices :
>>  FireFox
>>  profile or Thunderbird profile
>>
>>  My LO was on Thunderbird's profile and I had forgotten to update that one
>>  with
>>  my new certificate details. So I switched to FireFox which was up to date.
>>
>>  After re-starting LO, my document could be signed by the new certificate.
>>
>>  I updated my Thunderbird profile with the new certificate and set LO to
>>  Thunderbird. After restarting LO, I tried to resign the document. But
>>  from the
>>  Thunderbird profile, LO only sees the outdated certificate.
>>
>>  So I conclude several points :
>>
>>  1. LO Writer can only see 1 certificate in either FireFox or Thunderbird
>>  profiles and that is the oldest of however many certs are present.
>>
>>  2. If the oldest is out of date - tough
>>
>>  3. LO Help button on the digital signing dialog box lands the user on a
>>  webpage
>>  which correctly announces that it has no information.
>>
>>  4. searching on the LO Help website finds some help which talks of using
>>  the
>>  ADD button to add a certificate. But at least with LO 4.2.8.2 (Ubuntu
>>  1404 LTS
>>  with their latest updates), I cannot find any such button.
>>
>>  5. My solution was to delete the expired certificate from FireFox profile.
>>  And
>>  LO correctly used the new one which had remained invisible up to that
>>  point.
>>
>>  I am not sure that time expired certs should be deleted. They are probably
>>  needed to verify old signatures or to decrypt old files.
>>
>>  Philip
>>
>>  On 12/10/15 04:14, Евгений wrote:
>>  > No one here used signatures?
>>  > No one can help or give some advices to resolve problem?
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > 07.10.2015, 10:00, "Евгений" :
>>  >> Hello.
>>  >>
>>  >> Can someone help me with digital signatures?
>>  >>
>>  >> I tried LO 5.0.2, 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing list?? How to avoid being swamped ...

[Mike Scott]

On 15/10/15 16:00, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
+1
to everyone so far :))  Thanks Anne-ology! :)

I get the impression that some email-clients, maybe Thunderbird, ignores
the words in the subject line and uses something from the coding in the
headers (which are usually hidden).


Using subject (and presumably date and possibly any "re" prefix) will 
always break.


I believe the proper way is to use the message-id and in-reply-to 
headers to reconstruct the thread.


Thunderbird does this for me - except on emails from this list, which 
leads me to suspect the LO list processor is tinkering with something it 
shouldn't. Irritating.


IMBW.



I know that Forwarding an email "breaks it out" into a new thread but i've
not tried breaking it out in this way but then using the same
subject-line.  I imagine that differnt email-clients would handle that very
differently from each other.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing list?? How to avoid being swamped ...

[Rob Jasper]

On my email client (OSX std email client) it does. 
That doesn;t seem to happen very often, though.

Rob.


On 15 okt. 2015, at 16:33, anne-ology wrote:

>   well said.
> 
>   One thing that bothers me re. this threading,
>  is that if the subject line is changed in any way, it starts a
> new thread.
> 
> 
> 
> From: Tom Davies 
> Date: Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing list??
> How to avoid being swamped ...
> To: Rob Jasper 
> Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
> 
> 
> Hi :)
> +1
> Most email clients have such threading.  Thunderbird, Claws and Evolution
> do.  "The Bat!" (for Windows) does.  Gmail is not really an email client as
> you tend to create a new email address to use it, but it does the
> conversations/threading thing by default too.
> 
> Hotmail (that's an MS one right?) and Microsoft Outlook and Yahoo don't.
> Well, Yahoo might by now but the Micorosoft ones haven't caught up with the
> rest of the world yet.
> 
> I found that moving from unthreaded to threaded was a HUGE help.  Before
> that i'd been struggling with every single email!!  A complete nightmare.
> Now i can see the whole thread/conversation and which issues have already
> been dealt with and which issues could maybe do with a bit more work.  It's
> drastically cut the amount of emails i write :))
> 
> As with any new system it took me a while to work it out and a little
> longer to really start benefiting from it.  Much the same as when i took a
> touch-typing course, initially my speeds plummeted but quite soon after i
> was really glad i'd made the switch.  When i finally managed to get all my
> emails being pulled into my GMail account it really "polished off" my
> migration.  At first i "kept all the email on the server" so they were
> still in Yahoo and being duplicated in GMail but once i was confident (took
> me about a week) i switched that around so that they get deleted from Yahoo
> if they make it into GMail.  I still have my Yahoo account but i rarely
> ever even sign into it except to change the password and just check.
> 
> I'm not saying this to advertise Gmail.  Many, many email systems have this
> functionality.  The main thing is to move away from total reliance on
> Microsoft ones by using any of them.
> 
> I suspect that a lot of Alexander's problem with this mailing list is that
> he is still stuck on Hotmail.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
> 
> 
> 
> On 14 October 2015 at 19:00, Rob Jasper  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> reading with my standard iMac email client set to "organize by
>> Conversation", and this bundels all mails of one thread into one entry,
> so,
>> after the discussion tread calmes down (does not pop to the top of my
>> unread email list anymore) I just delete the whole thing in one go.
>> I'm sure other mailers have the same functionality.
>> 
>> Just my solution, but it works for me :-)
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Rob.
>> 
> 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing list?? How to avoid being swamped ...

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
+1
to everyone so far :))  Thanks Anne-ology! :)

I get the impression that some email-clients, maybe Thunderbird, ignores
the words in the subject line and uses something from the coding in the
headers (which are usually hidden).

I know that Forwarding an email "breaks it out" into a new thread but i've
not tried breaking it out in this way but then using the same
subject-line.  I imagine that differnt email-clients would handle that very
differently from each other.


Anyway the point i was making was that Rob Jasper's point about
Conversations / Threading was "spot on" and i'd totally missed it in my
previous post.
Regards from
Tom :)



On 15 October 2015 at 15:42, Rob Jasper  wrote:

> On my email client (OSX std email client) it does.
> That doesn;t seem to happen very often, though.
>
> Rob.
>
>
> On 15 okt. 2015, at 16:33, anne-ology wrote:
>
> >   well said.
> >
> >   One thing that bothers me re. this threading,
> >  is that if the subject line is changed in any way, it starts a
> > new thread.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Tom Davies 
> > Date: Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing
> list??
> > How to avoid being swamped ...
> > To: Rob Jasper 
> > Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
> >
> >
> > Hi :)
> > +1
> > Most email clients have such threading.  Thunderbird, Claws and Evolution
> > do.  "The Bat!" (for Windows) does.  Gmail is not really an email client
> as
> > you tend to create a new email address to use it, but it does the
> > conversations/threading thing by default too.
> >
> > Hotmail (that's an MS one right?) and Microsoft Outlook and Yahoo don't.
> > Well, Yahoo might by now but the Micorosoft ones haven't caught up with
> the
> > rest of the world yet.
> >
> > I found that moving from unthreaded to threaded was a HUGE help.  Before
> > that i'd been struggling with every single email!!  A complete nightmare.
> > Now i can see the whole thread/conversation and which issues have already
> > been dealt with and which issues could maybe do with a bit more work.
> It's
> > drastically cut the amount of emails i write :))
> >
> > As with any new system it took me a while to work it out and a little
> > longer to really start benefiting from it.  Much the same as when i took
> a
> > touch-typing course, initially my speeds plummeted but quite soon after i
> > was really glad i'd made the switch.  When i finally managed to get all
> my
> > emails being pulled into my GMail account it really "polished off" my
> > migration.  At first i "kept all the email on the server" so they were
> > still in Yahoo and being duplicated in GMail but once i was confident
> (took
> > me about a week) i switched that around so that they get deleted from
> Yahoo
> > if they make it into GMail.  I still have my Yahoo account but i rarely
> > ever even sign into it except to change the password and just check.
> >
> > I'm not saying this to advertise Gmail.  Many, many email systems have
> this
> > functionality.  The main thing is to move away from total reliance on
> > Microsoft ones by using any of them.
> >
> > I suspect that a lot of Alexander's problem with this mailing list is
> that
> > he is still stuck on Hotmail.
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 14 October 2015 at 19:00, Rob Jasper  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> reading with my standard iMac email client set to "organize by
> >> Conversation", and this bundels all mails of one thread into one entry,
> > so,
> >> after the discussion tread calmes down (does not pop to the top of my
> >> unread email list anymore) I just delete the whole thing in one go.
> >> I'm sure other mailers have the same functionality.
> >>
> >> Just my solution, but it works for me :-)
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Rob.
> >>
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing list?? How to avoid being swamped ...

[anne-ology]

   well said.

   One thing that bothers me re. this threading,
  is that if the subject line is changed in any way, it starts a
new thread.



From: Tom Davies 
Date: Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing list??
How to avoid being swamped ...
To: Rob Jasper 
Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 


Hi :)
+1
Most email clients have such threading.  Thunderbird, Claws and Evolution
do.  "The Bat!" (for Windows) does.  Gmail is not really an email client as
you tend to create a new email address to use it, but it does the
conversations/threading thing by default too.

Hotmail (that's an MS one right?) and Microsoft Outlook and Yahoo don't.
Well, Yahoo might by now but the Micorosoft ones haven't caught up with the
rest of the world yet.

I found that moving from unthreaded to threaded was a HUGE help.  Before
that i'd been struggling with every single email!!  A complete nightmare.
Now i can see the whole thread/conversation and which issues have already
been dealt with and which issues could maybe do with a bit more work.  It's
drastically cut the amount of emails i write :))

As with any new system it took me a while to work it out and a little
longer to really start benefiting from it.  Much the same as when i took a
touch-typing course, initially my speeds plummeted but quite soon after i
was really glad i'd made the switch.  When i finally managed to get all my
emails being pulled into my GMail account it really "polished off" my
migration.  At first i "kept all the email on the server" so they were
still in Yahoo and being duplicated in GMail but once i was confident (took
me about a week) i switched that around so that they get deleted from Yahoo
if they make it into GMail.  I still have my Yahoo account but i rarely
ever even sign into it except to change the password and just check.

I'm not saying this to advertise Gmail.  Many, many email systems have this
functionality.  The main thing is to move away from total reliance on
Microsoft ones by using any of them.

I suspect that a lot of Alexander's problem with this mailing list is that
he is still stuck on Hotmail.
Regards from
Tom :)



On 14 October 2015 at 19:00, Rob Jasper  wrote:

>
> reading with my standard iMac email client set to "organize by
> Conversation", and this bundels all mails of one thread into one entry,
so,
> after the discussion tread calmes down (does not pop to the top of my
> unread email list anymore) I just delete the whole thing in one go.
> I'm sure other mailers have the same functionality.
>
> Just my solution, but it works for me :-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob.
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Tooo many messages on this mailing list?? How to avoid being swamped ...

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
That is weird.  GMane is meant to work well with this mailing list.

In GMail Anne-ology's replies do appear to be part of the same
conversation/thread.  Gmail doesn't break it out into a new thread.  So
Gmail must be using the subject-line then surely?

Should we be posting a bug-report about this mailing list or about GMane?
Regards from
Tom :)



On 15 October 2015 at 23:47, Andreas Säger  wrote:

> Am 15.10.2015 um 23:38 schrieb libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com:
> >
> > Most emails appear correctly threaded to me, using SeaMonkey (based on
> > Thunderbird). Some messages break threading, because those sending them
> > use a mail client which doesn't include the relevant headers.
> >
> > Mark.
> >
> >
>
>
> All replies by anne-ology start a new thread (gmane on Thunderbird).
>
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing list?? How to avoid being swamped ...

[libreoffice-ml . mbourne]

Mike Scott wrote:

On 15/10/15 16:00, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
+1
to everyone so far :))  Thanks Anne-ology! :)

I get the impression that some email-clients, maybe Thunderbird, ignores
the words in the subject line and uses something from the coding in the
headers (which are usually hidden).


Using subject (and presumably date and possibly any "re" prefix) will
always break.

I believe the proper way is to use the message-id and in-reply-to
headers to reconstruct the thread.

Thunderbird does this for me - except on emails from this list, which
leads me to suspect the LO list processor is tinkering with something it
shouldn't. Irritating.


Most emails appear correctly threaded to me, using SeaMonkey (based on 
Thunderbird). Some messages break threading, because those sending them 
use a mail client which doesn't include the relevant headers.


Mark.


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[Andreas Säger]

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> 
> Most emails appear correctly threaded to me, using SeaMonkey (based on
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Writer - Line Spacing - not appearign as single space

[charles meyer]

Tom,

That was it!

Thank you!!

For all those interested, when I changed the Style Setting Box from
Text Body to Default Style, then it changed the spacing to single
spacing.

Thank you again.

Best,

Charles.

On 10/14/15, Tom Davies  wrote:
> Hi :)
> Chapter 3 of the "Getting Started Guide", the chapter about "Styles and
> Templates".  In MS Office their equivalent can often cause problems but in
> LibreOffice the system is different and makes it MUCH easier to produce
> much higher quality documents with much less effort.
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
>
> At the moment it sounds like you are formatting directly inside the content
> of the document.  For the most part, most of the document probably could do
> with looking consistent and many of your headings and so on also being
> consistent with each other.  Future documents may well need to have the
> same levels of consistency.  At the moment you are maybe trying to remember
> adn struggle a bit to try to force it all to behave.
>
> Using styles, even a tiny bit, can drastically reduce the amount of direct
> formatting you need to do and that can save quite a bit of time.  Each time
> you have to reach for the mouse to apply formatting it reduces your
> productivity.  Being able to keep yoru hands on the keyboard and use simple
> keyboard combinations such as;
>
> Ctrl B   to switch "bold" on/off and
> Ctrl I to switch "Italics" on/off and
> Ctrl Uto switch "Underline" on/off
>
> along with
>
> Ctrl x  to cut  (x looks a little like a pair of scissors)
> Ctrl c  to copy
> Ctrl v  to paste  (v looks a bit like a downwards arrow)
>
> and of course
>
> Ctrl left/right arrows to skip a word at a time
>
> All combine to make your typing much faster and with less need to break
> your concentration.  Touch-typing courses often suggest that it's better to
> leave all the formatting until after a significant amount of a document has
> been typed.  This can work quite well wrt headings but it helps to be able
> to apply emphasis without hunting for the mouse and then repositioning your
> fingers again afterwards.
>
> To open Styles just press F11, Then look up beside where you would normal
> set your font to see the name of the style you are using in the body of the
> contents: hopefully either "Text body" or "Default" and right-click on the
> appropriate one in the styles pop-up dialogue-box to modify it.
>
>
> I hope this helps!
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
>
> On 15 October 2015 at 00:20, Gabriele Ponzo  wrote:
>
>> I couldn't catch exactly what are you trying to do.
>>
>> Did you mean the vertical spacing among lines or the horizontal among
>> characters?
>>
>> If you started with "plain text" why doors it have such a (double?)
>> spacing?
>>
>> What font are you using?
>> Il 15/ott/2015 00:29, "charles meyer"  ha
>> scritto:
>>
>> > Hi Folks,
>> >
>> > In Libre Writer 4.3.5.2, I wanted to change the plain text to single
>> > spacing for all lines of text in all paragraphs. I highlighted all the
>> > lines and then I followed both of these suggestions but it still
>> > appears double-spaced although it says it's single spaced but isn't
>> >
>> > How do I truly secure single spacing?
>> >
>> > 1. Select the paragraph and then go to Format, Paragraph, Indents &
>> > Spacing tab, Line Spacing .
>> >
>> > 2. Right click to open the context menu > Line Spacing.
>> >
>> > Thank you.
>> >
>> > Charles.
>> >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Digital signatures

[Joel Madero]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 3:07 AM, Евгений  wrote:

> Hello.
>
> "Writer 4.2 Guide" from second link.
>
> =
> Certificate Path
>
> Note
> This option appears only on Linux and Mac systems. On Windows, LibreOffice
> uses
> the default Windows location for storing and retrieving certificates.
>
> Users can digitally sign documents using LibreOffice. A digital signature
> requires a personal
> signing certificate. Most operating systems can generate a self-signed
> certificate. However, a
> personal certificate issued by an outside agency (after verifying an
> individual's identity) has a
> higher degree of trust associated with it than does a self-signed
> certificate. LibreOffice does not
> provide a secure method of storing these certificates, but it can access
> certificates that have
> been saved using other programs. Click Certificate and select which
> certificate store to use.
> =
>
> Is it mean, that in LO i can use only self-signed certificates to sign
> documents?
>
>
FWIW - I've always had problems with digital signatures (going back to
OpenOffice I believe). I wouldn't be surprised if there is already a report
in bugzilla about it.


Best,
Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Writer - Line Spacing - not appearign as single space

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Brilliant!  Even easier than i thought!  Well found! :)  Congrats.

It sounds like it might be good to re-configure the "Text-body" style
someday, maybe - or leave it so you can switch between the 2 styles as
needed.  Superb! :)
Congrats and regards from
Tom :)


On 15 October 2015 at 17:52, charles meyer  wrote:

> Tom,
>
> That was it!
>
> Thank you!!
>
> For all those interested, when I changed the Style Setting Box from
> Text Body to Default Style, then it changed the spacing to single
> spacing.
>
> Thank you again.
>
> Best,
>
> Charles.
>
> On 10/14/15, Tom Davies  wrote:
> > Hi :)
> > Chapter 3 of the "Getting Started Guide", the chapter about "Styles and
> > Templates".  In MS Office their equivalent can often cause problems but
> in
> > LibreOffice the system is different and makes it MUCH easier to produce
> > much higher quality documents with much less effort.
> > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
> >
> > At the moment it sounds like you are formatting directly inside the
> content
> > of the document.  For the most part, most of the document probably could
> do
> > with looking consistent and many of your headings and so on also being
> > consistent with each other.  Future documents may well need to have the
> > same levels of consistency.  At the moment you are maybe trying to
> remember
> > adn struggle a bit to try to force it all to behave.
> >
> > Using styles, even a tiny bit, can drastically reduce the amount of
> direct
> > formatting you need to do and that can save quite a bit of time.  Each
> time
> > you have to reach for the mouse to apply formatting it reduces your
> > productivity.  Being able to keep yoru hands on the keyboard and use
> simple
> > keyboard combinations such as;
> >
> > Ctrl B   to switch "bold" on/off and
> > Ctrl I to switch "Italics" on/off and
> > Ctrl Uto switch "Underline" on/off
> >
> > along with
> >
> > Ctrl x  to cut  (x looks a little like a pair of scissors)
> > Ctrl c  to copy
> > Ctrl v  to paste  (v looks a bit like a downwards arrow)
> >
> > and of course
> >
> > Ctrl left/right arrows to skip a word at a time
> >
> > All combine to make your typing much faster and with less need to break
> > your concentration.  Touch-typing courses often suggest that it's better
> to
> > leave all the formatting until after a significant amount of a document
> has
> > been typed.  This can work quite well wrt headings but it helps to be
> able
> > to apply emphasis without hunting for the mouse and then repositioning
> your
> > fingers again afterwards.
> >
> > To open Styles just press F11, Then look up beside where you would normal
> > set your font to see the name of the style you are using in the body of
> the
> > contents: hopefully either "Text body" or "Default" and right-click on
> the
> > appropriate one in the styles pop-up dialogue-box to modify it.
> >
> >
> > I hope this helps!
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 15 October 2015 at 00:20, Gabriele Ponzo  wrote:
> >
> >> I couldn't catch exactly what are you trying to do.
> >>
> >> Did you mean the vertical spacing among lines or the horizontal among
> >> characters?
> >>
> >> If you started with "plain text" why doors it have such a (double?)
> >> spacing?
> >>
> >> What font are you using?
> >> Il 15/ott/2015 00:29, "charles meyer"  ha
> >> scritto:
> >>
> >> > Hi Folks,
> >> >
> >> > In Libre Writer 4.3.5.2, I wanted to change the plain text to single
> >> > spacing for all lines of text in all paragraphs. I highlighted all the
> >> > lines and then I followed both of these suggestions but it still
> >> > appears double-spaced although it says it's single spaced but isn't
> >> >
> >> > How do I truly secure single spacing?
> >> >
> >> > 1. Select the paragraph and then go to Format, Paragraph, Indents &
> >> > Spacing tab, Line Spacing .
> >> >
> >> > 2. Right click to open the context menu > Line Spacing.
> >> >
> >> > Thank you.
> >> >
> >> > Charles.
> >> >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Writer - Line Spacing - not appearign as single space

[Joel Madero]

I *highly* recommend getting used to styles - create your own custom styles
that you can readily use. It is 100x easier than direct formatting which is
how most users use Writer. If you're doing anything more than a one page
document, having useful styles ensure that you'll get the results that you
want.


Best,
Joel

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Tom Davies  wrote:

> Hi :)
> Brilliant!  Even easier than i thought!  Well found! :)  Congrats.
>
> It sounds like it might be good to re-configure the "Text-body" style
> someday, maybe - or leave it so you can switch between the 2 styles as
> needed.  Superb! :)
> Congrats and regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> On 15 October 2015 at 17:52, charles meyer  wrote:
>
> > Tom,
> >
> > That was it!
> >
> > Thank you!!
> >
> > For all those interested, when I changed the Style Setting Box from
> > Text Body to Default Style, then it changed the spacing to single
> > spacing.
> >
> > Thank you again.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Charles.
> >
> > On 10/14/15, Tom Davies  wrote:
> > > Hi :)
> > > Chapter 3 of the "Getting Started Guide", the chapter about "Styles and
> > > Templates".  In MS Office their equivalent can often cause problems but
> > in
> > > LibreOffice the system is different and makes it MUCH easier to produce
> > > much higher quality documents with much less effort.
> > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
> > >
> > > At the moment it sounds like you are formatting directly inside the
> > content
> > > of the document.  For the most part, most of the document probably
> could
> > do
> > > with looking consistent and many of your headings and so on also being
> > > consistent with each other.  Future documents may well need to have the
> > > same levels of consistency.  At the moment you are maybe trying to
> > remember
> > > adn struggle a bit to try to force it all to behave.
> > >
> > > Using styles, even a tiny bit, can drastically reduce the amount of
> > direct
> > > formatting you need to do and that can save quite a bit of time.  Each
> > time
> > > you have to reach for the mouse to apply formatting it reduces your
> > > productivity.  Being able to keep yoru hands on the keyboard and use
> > simple
> > > keyboard combinations such as;
> > >
> > > Ctrl B   to switch "bold" on/off and
> > > Ctrl I to switch "Italics" on/off and
> > > Ctrl Uto switch "Underline" on/off
> > >
> > > along with
> > >
> > > Ctrl x  to cut  (x looks a little like a pair of scissors)
> > > Ctrl c  to copy
> > > Ctrl v  to paste  (v looks a bit like a downwards arrow)
> > >
> > > and of course
> > >
> > > Ctrl left/right arrows to skip a word at a time
> > >
> > > All combine to make your typing much faster and with less need to break
> > > your concentration.  Touch-typing courses often suggest that it's
> better
> > to
> > > leave all the formatting until after a significant amount of a document
> > has
> > > been typed.  This can work quite well wrt headings but it helps to be
> > able
> > > to apply emphasis without hunting for the mouse and then repositioning
> > your
> > > fingers again afterwards.
> > >
> > > To open Styles just press F11, Then look up beside where you would
> normal
> > > set your font to see the name of the style you are using in the body of
> > the
> > > contents: hopefully either "Text body" or "Default" and right-click on
> > the
> > > appropriate one in the styles pop-up dialogue-box to modify it.
> > >
> > >
> > > I hope this helps!
> > > Regards from
> > > Tom :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 15 October 2015 at 00:20, Gabriele Ponzo  wrote:
> > >
> > >> I couldn't catch exactly what are you trying to do.
> > >>
> > >> Did you mean the vertical spacing among lines or the horizontal among
> > >> characters?
> > >>
> > >> If you started with "plain text" why doors it have such a (double?)
> > >> spacing?
> > >>
> > >> What font are you using?
> > >> Il 15/ott/2015 00:29, "charles meyer"  ha
> > >> scritto:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi Folks,
> > >> >
> > >> > In Libre Writer 4.3.5.2, I wanted to change the plain text to single
> > >> > spacing for all lines of text in all paragraphs. I highlighted all
> the
> > >> > lines and then I followed both of these suggestions but it still
> > >> > appears double-spaced although it says it's single spaced but isn't
> > >> >
> > >> > How do I truly secure single spacing?
> > >> >
> > >> > 1. Select the paragraph and then go to Format, Paragraph, Indents &
> > >> > Spacing tab, Line Spacing .
> > >> >
> > >> > 2. Right click to open the context menu > Line Spacing.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thank you.
> > >> >
> > >> > Charles.
> > >> >
> > >> > --
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Writer - Line Spacing - not appearing as single space

[V Stuart Foote]

Believe you'll find the issue here:

tdf#94464    --
"Text Body default line spacing too big"  as "Text Body" style is using 120%
proportional line spacing with .10"/.25cm spacing below.

The default for the style needs to be reworked.

Meanwhile, the "Text body" style can be modified to change to single space
and eliminate the spacing below paragraph to have a cleaner single space use
of text body.  Nuisance is that you have to reset it for each document--or
create a new style to use. 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Writer - Line Spacing - not appearing as single space

[Brian Barker]

At 12:52 15/10/2015 -0400, Charles Meyer wrote:

At 18:28 14/10/2015 -0400, Charles Meyer wrote:
In Libre Writer 4.3.5.2, I wanted to change the plain text to 
single spacing for all lines of text in all paragraphs. I 
highlighted all the lines and then I followed both of these 
suggestions but it still appears double-spaced although it says 
it's single spaced but isn't
1. Select the paragraph and then go to Format, Paragraph, Indents & 
Spacing tab, Line Spacing.

2. Right click to open the context menu > Line Spacing.

How do I truly secure single spacing?


Tom,
That was it!
Thank you!!
For all those interested, when I changed the Style Setting Box from 
Text Body to Default Style, then it changed the spacing to single spacing.


I'm interested, but puzzled. Surely that could not have been the 
solution if the problem was as described?


o Text Body paragraph style has Single spacing by default - though 
you (or someone else) could well have changed this to Double: no problem.


o But in any case, the two techniques you described as not working 
both apply local formatting, and applying local single spacing to 
paragraphs with double spacing in their paragraph style *will* 
overrule the style and change the spacing. So the techniques that you 
say failed you would have worked (even though not an ideal solution).


I'm delighted that you are happy, of course - but it would be nice to 
know what was *really* happening.


Brian Barker 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Writer - Line Spacing - not appearing as single space

[Steve Edmonds]

On 2015-10-16 06:56, Brian Barker wrote:

At 12:52 15/10/2015 -0400, Charles Meyer wrote:

At 18:28 14/10/2015 -0400, Charles Meyer wrote:
In Libre Writer 4.3.5.2, I wanted to change the plain text to single 
spacing for all lines of text in all paragraphs. I highlighted all 
the lines and then I followed both of these suggestions but it still 
appears double-spaced although it says it's single spaced but isn't
1. Select the paragraph and then go to Format, Paragraph, Indents & 
Spacing tab, Line Spacing.

2. Right click to open the context menu > Line Spacing.

How do I truly secure single spacing?


Tom,
That was it!
Thank you!!
For all those interested, when I changed the Style Setting Box from 
Text Body to Default Style, then it changed the spacing to single 
spacing.


I'm interested, but puzzled. Surely that could not have been the 
solution if the problem was as described?


o Text Body paragraph style has Single spacing by default - though you 
(or someone else) could well have changed this to Double: no problem.


o But in any case, the two techniques you described as not working 
both apply local formatting, and applying local single spacing to 
paragraphs with double spacing in their paragraph style *will* 
overrule the style and change the spacing. So the techniques that you 
say failed you would have worked (even though not an ideal solution).


I'm delighted that you are happy, of course - but it would be nice to 
know what was *really* happening.


Brian Barker

My Text Body style as default has spacing below the paragraph. The 
Default style does not.

Steve


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