Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Survey - What do you expect from Libreoffice Draw in the future?
Hi V Stuart Foote and all: Thank you very much to share the results ... and what about of the last question (It is interesting to know too) ? Regards, Jorge Rodríguez El vie, 26-02-2016 a las 13:52 -0700, V Stuart Foote escribió: > Preliminary survey results are available on TDF Wiki here: > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/DrawFuture > > Thank you to all who participated, some very useful perspectives we are > still sorting through. > > Stuart & Heiko > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Survey-What-do-you-expect-from-Libreoffice-Draw-in-the-future-tp4175347p4176715.html > Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > -- Atentamente, Jorge Rodríguez -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05
Hi, Tom. I've thought over a reply for your question for quite sometime, finally decided to just add some thoughts. Except for a thread on printing labels (which appears to be a printer driver problem in this case), I've not posted here for a very long time. Nor do I use LO on a regular basis. I use it for labels because the free office suite I'm currently using does not have label capability. And maybe once a year, I write something sort of serious. I do that just to see how much has changed. Here on the Mac, I have Word 2011 for regular use. The free office suite I am using now is FreeOffice from Softmaker, and it's on Windows 7. I like it enough that I'm considering purchasing Softmaker 2016. The free version is 2012. The attitude of LO devs turned me off years ago, and I've seen nothing since to bring me back. And the icons and UI overall in 5.?.? Geez, my Atari 1040 ST running TOS 4 (I think) had much better icons. People should be ashamed of this new fad in UI appearance, IMO. Oh, wait. I see there are Themes in 5. Cool. No, there are no Themes to choose from. If you don't have something as simple as themes ready to go, why bother? I would like to see LO do well, but I don't recommend it for most people anymore. Why? Most people don't need all the bells and whistles of LO. And they don't need Word for the same reason. I tell people to sit down and scrutinize/analyze what they need from an office suite. Do they even need an office suite? Maybe WordPad on Windows and TextEdit on the Mac is all they need. And there's plenty of software between both extremes on both platforms to fill people's needs. And many times, people will use an office suite to do something, and an office suite is simply the wrong tool for the job at hand. For those that don't know, Softmaker 2016 (Pro version only, I think) includes a customized copy of Thunderbird. What the differences are, I do not know. I see a lot of posts around about how good TB is, but most never seem to run into the issues I find. I have no idea why. Just last week I was reminded of a bug in the address book. Edit an entry, and save. Now I have that address in the address book 2 times. Delete one of them, and both go away. The archive files for one account disappeared for 3 years. Cursor movement has a problem in HTML composition, in that it doesn't go where it belongs. And the answers to many questions in Mozilla's Thunderbird group for solving problems is to create a new profile and start over. That's NOT a fix. Needless to say, I rarely read that group anymore either. When it comes to offering support as far as using TB is concerned, if it's to LO's advantage to do so, go for it. But I get so effing tired of having to go to 5 or 10 forums to find answers to program because the answer is not in/on the program's site. For LO, I would offer the extra help to Mozilla's newsgroup so there's one less place to spend time registering and checking in on whatever your regular basis is. Plus, it would give you another avenue of exposure for LO. IMO, even better TB support would be to help the TB devs solve a lot of the bugs that exist. The above issues could be solved by absorbing the entire TB effort as you suggested. And is a reasonable solution, IMO. But I hope LO devs take a different attitude than they appeared to have when I was a regular user. Devs seemed to be more interested in adding features rather than fixing issues they knew existed. Do a few things right rather than a lot of things wrong. Both TB and FF have the same weak link, that of using add-ons. What often happened is folks like me would install add-ons that became part of their workflow. Then both would come out with a new version, breaking the add-on and thus breaking the workflow. Now, do you think that made anyone happy? I used to extol the virtues of TB and FF, but enough breakage was enough. I just tell people I use them and they work OK. I think your point of "Freedom from Choice" is driven more by the costs of providing support of many programs. In the US Government agency I worked for, there were limits on what you could install on the computers, if your unit had no local support system. If you were a large enough unit, supplying 100% of the unit's IT support, permission could be obtained to install a program not on the approved list. I haven't used Outlook since Outlook 2007, and IIRC, the "rules" in Outlook are far more sophisticated than TB's. I think I'll snip your message and save people the work of having to deal with it. LOL Best of luck. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 44.0 Thunderbird 38.0.1 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.doc
Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO?
Hi :) Outlook is not OpenSouce so it can't be taken under TDF's wing and given a home here. There isn't really much choice in terms of which email client and looking around into comparisons of different ones. The ethos of TDF and LibreOffice is largely to ensure it "plays well with others". As i understand it LO works reasonably well with a wide variety of email clients and i can't see that changing. The 2 broad questions i think we can explore at this stage are; 1. Would it be good to have an email-client that outsiders and noobs may begin to perceive as being closely linked with LibreOffice? Almost all responses have been very positive. Most went straight into finer details. The few potential issues were a long way from being "blockers". 2. If so, could we cope with Thunderbird being "under the same umbrella"as us. Again almost all agreed. Most raised questions about details of implentation, and pointed out potential problem areas. Again no blockers, so nothing insurmountablee = just some wise words about maintaining some independance. Regars to all from Tom :) On 27 Feb 2016 19:08, "Tanstaafl" wrote: > On 2/27/2016 12:57 PM, toki wrote: > > On 27/02/2016 02:05, Tanstaafl wrote: > > > >>> whereas Thunderbird chokes up and dies under the same conditions. > >> > >> Please do not spread FUD. This is blatantly false. > > > Really? > > Yes. > > > Can Thunderbrid really retrieve 2GB per hour from 20+ accounts, > > without losing email? > > You seriously receive 2+GB of *new* email per *hour*? > > Not sure what kind of real world scenario that falls into - unless > you're a spammer and those are bounces from your latest spamathon. > > But, as long as you have a big enough pipe, I don't see why it wouldn't > be able to do it, yes, without losing email. > > > Can Thunderbird really compact folders without losing data, whilst doing > > that email retrieval operation? > > As long as you aren't attempting to compact the Inbox that is currently > being written to (expecting otherwise is ignorant), and I guarantee you > Outlook would experience corruption in such a case too > > > If so, I'm really surprised, because the developers told me that those > > were "won't fix" bugs. > > Really? Care to share the link to said discussion? Because if your > complaint was about a corrupted Inbox when attempting to download 100+MB > of emails to it while compacting it at the same time, then they were > correct to tell you that. > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Encrypted Calc file got corrupted
Hi :) 1. Please make a copy of the file, so you've got a back-up copy if advice or trying things out doesn't go smoothly! 2. Try rejecting the offer when it offers to fix the corruption. Let us know what happens! If you are on Windows then defragging might help Do you have another copy of the file anywhere? Have you emailed it to yourself or anyone? Regards from Tom :) On 27 Feb 2016 21:36, "Adam Bujdoso" wrote: > Dear Group, > > I have a problem for which I am hoping to get some help from you. > > I am trying to open an encrypted Calc ods file with some quite important > data in it, however, when I type in the password after being prompted to > do so, I get an error message "The file is corrupt and therefore cannot be > opened. LibreOffice can try to repair the file." > > When I press 'Yes' to repair the file, nothing really happens, the file > still doesn't open, and next time I try to open the file, I get the same > error message. > > Could you please help me fix this somehow? As mentioned this file contains > some important data. > > Thanks a lot indeed in advance, really appreciated! > > Best, > Adam > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05
On 2/27/2016 2:10 PM, Paul D. Mirowsky wrote: > One of the things I miss about Lotus SmartSuite is its' TeamMail function. A quick google suggests this is nothing more than Shared Mailbox functionality. That is Server functionality, TB is a mail client. > It also included Team Review, Team Consolidate and Team Security. Sound like Groupware functionality... ? > It might be old school, but it worked. > > If Thunderbird could function within LibreOffice in a similar way, it > would be a great addition. Lotus SmartSuite was am integrated mail server/groupware solution. You're comparing apples and oranges. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Encrypted Calc file got corrupted
Dear Group, I have a problem for which I am hoping to get some help from you. I am trying to open an encrypted Calc ods file with some quite important data in it, however, when I type in the password after being prompted to do so, I get an error message "The file is corrupt and therefore cannot be opened. LibreOffice can try to repair the file." When I press 'Yes' to repair the file, nothing really happens, the file still doesn't open, and next time I try to open the file, I get the same error message. Could you please help me fix this somehow? As mentioned this file contains some important data. Thanks a lot indeed in advance, really appreciated! Best, Adam -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05
One of the things I miss about Lotus SmartSuite is its' TeamMail function. It also included Team Review, Team Consolidate and Team Security. It might be old school, but it worked. If Thunderbird could function within LibreOffice in a similar way, it would be a great addition. Support for SmartSuite ended 09/30/2014. On 2/26/2016 8:15 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) How do people here feel about approaching the Thunderbird people to bring them into the LibreOffice project a bit more? Perhaps they could become the official default email client? As most of you know - many organisations, particularly OpenSource ones, have departments/sections/sub-groups that focus on supporting external projects that are used within their own project. For example Ubuntu, Redhat, openSuSE, Mageia, Fedora (and so on) each have people able to help their users deal with most issues to do with Thunderbird, LibreOffice and many other apps. Typically such people can handle quite a lot of issues but sometimes seek help from 'upstream' (such as to here if it's a LibreOffice issue) or/and invite the user to take their issue upstream themselves. Many of such people stay within one OS and help with many apps within that OS but some support the same app in many different OSes. There are even generic forums, such as "LinuxQuestions.org" that handle a lot of different OSes. This mailing list has helped quite a few people with "off topic" issues, such as helping with other apps or choosing a good "gateway" distro (such as Mint, Ubuntu etc) for people who want to break free of Windows or even helping with quite detailed "off topic" issues in very geeky Gnu&Linux OSes (such as Slackware). Also there's a good chance that some people from Thunderbird might start offering weeu's support through our support systems, such as this mailing list - if we were welcoming and supportive. How would people here feel about this mailing list offering support to Thunderbird users, particularly ones who use LibreOffice as their Office Suite? Another option might be for "The Document Foundation" to fully take on the whole of the Thunderbird project, and bring in all of their infrastructure and maybe kinda merge parts together where it's easy enough to do so. Personally i prefer this sort of approach The Mozilla Foundation chose to split TB away from their web-browser (a good linuxy thing to do) so they could be more independent and therefore be used by people who use a wide range of other web-browsers - also helping those few Firefox users who were using something else to benefit more from a more streamlined Firefox. A few years ago Mozilla decided to drop almost all it's support for TBeaving it all to just volunteers. The TB volunteers have done a fantastic job but it would be great to give them a new home so they can "spread their wings" a lot more. To me it seems that either way, or something similar would greatly benefit both (or even all 3!) separate projects. It at long last would solve the main perceived 'blocker' that many people seem to struggle with when trying to move away from MS Office = that LO doesn't have a drop-in replacement for Outlook. Although Outlook includes calendar functionality (and a lot more) it seems that the most frequent problem that people ask about is just about emails. On this mailing list it's even been suggested the TDF create a new email client, but i think most of us already use TB anyway and it's probably better to just use something that has a good, well-proven track-record rather than try to cobble something together from scratch. Some of us inevitably try to point out that there are many other choices of email client to suit particular niche-markets - such as Claws (for a much smaller foot-print and thus faster on lower-spec machines) or Evolution (for a totally complete "drop in replacement" for Outlook in terms of look&feel (but has limited support and is not cross-platform, and can't even cope outside the Gnome DE so it limits which versions of Gnu&Linux it can be used on)) and some really fancy ones with more project-management functionality. Such alternatives would still be available and supported but by having TB as our default it would dissolve one more perceived 'blocker' . People would no longer be forced into doing a tonne more research into which email client to choose, and TB would be the perfect one for the vast majority of them. Microsoft and Apple seem to be successful largely because they remove people's options and give them "Freedom FROM choice". The tech industry seems to value that above almost anything else. As soon as there are choices they start grumbling about "fragmentation", and that it's difficult to choose "which is best" because different use-cases may have different requirements and therefore may need make slightly different choices. In every other industry monopolies are seen as bad - choice and diversity are applauded as being "good competition" allowing "market
Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO?
On 2/27/2016 12:57 PM, toki wrote: > On 27/02/2016 02:05, Tanstaafl wrote: > >>> whereas Thunderbird chokes up and dies under the same conditions. >> >> Please do not spread FUD. This is blatantly false. > Really? Yes. > Can Thunderbrid really retrieve 2GB per hour from 20+ accounts, > without losing email? You seriously receive 2+GB of *new* email per *hour*? Not sure what kind of real world scenario that falls into - unless you're a spammer and those are bounces from your latest spamathon. But, as long as you have a big enough pipe, I don't see why it wouldn't be able to do it, yes, without losing email. > Can Thunderbird really compact folders without losing data, whilst doing > that email retrieval operation? As long as you aren't attempting to compact the Inbox that is currently being written to (expecting otherwise is ignorant), and I guarantee you Outlook would experience corruption in such a case too > If so, I'm really surprised, because the developers told me that those > were "won't fix" bugs. Really? Care to share the link to said discussion? Because if your complaint was about a corrupted Inbox when attempting to download 100+MB of emails to it while compacting it at the same time, then they were correct to tell you that. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: improving LibreWriter Referencing to make LOffice more accessible to students
HI. is zotero makes libreoffice accessible for blinds? as i asked today, i realy need accessibility for impress and finding information about it. is it accessible now? or is it possible to be accessible in future? how about draw? thanks for your help. i realy need multemedia files. On 2/27/16, V Stuart Foote wrote: > Please see this Wiki article: > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Referencing_Systems_in_LibreOffice > > 3rd Party plugins would be comparable to MS Word using Thompson's EndNote. > > My personal recommendation is to use the opensource Zotero program and > plugin for LibreOffice--it will meet pretty much any format referencing > format for academic and technical use. > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/improving-LibreWriter-Referencing-to-make-LOffice-more-accessible-to-students-tp4176773p4176780.html > Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- O people! there has come to you indeed an admonition from your Lord and a healing for what is in the breasts and a guidance and a mercy for the believers. Say: In the grace of Allah and in His mercy-- in that they should rejoice; it is better than that which they gather. holy quran, chapter 10 verses 57 and 58. please visit al-islam.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO?
On 27/02/2016 02:05, Tanstaafl wrote: >> whereas Thunderbird chokes up and dies under the same conditions. > > Please do not spread FUD. This is blatantly false. Really? Can Thunderbrid really retrieve 2GB per hour from 20+ accounts, without losing email? Can Thunderbird really compact folders without losing data, whilst doing that email retrieval operation? If so, I'm really surprised, because the developers told me that those were "won't fix" bugs. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: improving LibreWriter Referencing to make LOffice more accessible to students
Please see this Wiki article: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Referencing_Systems_in_LibreOffice 3rd Party plugins would be comparable to MS Word using Thompson's EndNote. My personal recommendation is to use the opensource Zotero program and plugin for LibreOffice--it will meet pretty much any format referencing format for academic and technical use. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/improving-LibreWriter-Referencing-to-make-LOffice-more-accessible-to-students-tp4176773p4176780.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] improving LibreWriter Referencing to make LOffice more accessible to students
One of the things that stops me from using LibreWriter 100% is that making APA references into a school report is an awkward task compared to using Microsoft Word. If this referencing could be made more user friendly somehow then it would become a viable alternative for post-secondary students who find themselves having to purchase an office suite just to make proper reports. I have been trying to promote libreoffice to my fellow students but, the difficulty of creating references soured several of them on it. I know it's an incredibly vague suggestion, but one I felt I should tell someone. Just another LibreOffice fan, Daniel O'Hare -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
OT - Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05
On 2/27/2016 7:06 AM, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > Reliability aside (I really don't trust OL and I've got lot of backing > experience to support that), I've yet to find a feature in OL that TB is > missing (apart integration with Exchange). Actually, Outlook was designed first and foremost as an Exchange Client. In that environment, it has much less issues - but it still is prone to weirdness. But as a standalone client is where it falls down. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
OT - Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05
On 2/26/2016 8:49 PM, toki wrote: > From my POV, for TDF to write a new email client would be a waste of > effort. +1 > A couple of issues with TDF adoption of Thunderbird are: > > * What will TDF policy on breaking extensions be? > I have no idea if it was TB, or the extensions that were upgraded on > Monday, but the three extensions I rely on the most are now completely > broken. It happens... Addon devs have plenty of advance warning when something changes that will break something, but it is on them to be proactive. Apparently the devs for your critical Addons aren't. Is that TB's fault? > Firefox has a habit of breaking extensions at every upgrade. Well, that is a major exaggeration, if not FUD, at present. It hasn't really been a problem for a long time, although it was a big problem for a while after they switched to the fast release schedule. But now that they started down this road of requiring all Addons to be signed by them, with no way, after version 45, to disable this stupidity - well this is another problem. I'll probably be forced to start running and unbranded version (not 'Firefox') that will still have the pref to disable it. The ESR will also keep the pref, but I don't want the ESR. > (I'm ignoring the issue that most of the useful Firefox extensions > will be abandoned by the developer, because the road map eliminates > the API that utilized to provide the functionality that they offer). Maybe, maybe not. There is some concern with the deprecation of XPCOM/XUL in favor of WebExtensions, yes, but they have committed to providing most capabilities through the new API: https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2015/08/21/the-future-of-developing-firefox-add-ons/ Main point to take away - don't shoot the messenger until you know for certain they deserve to be shot. > For a corporate environment, breaking extensions when the software > updates is an absolute no-no. Especially when the extensions are > mission-critical. 1. Such environments should be using the ESR version, which virtually eliminates such breakage, and 2. Such environments should be managing updates (ie, testing to make sure mission critical Addons aren't broken by an update). If you are *not* doing both, that is on *you*, not Mozilla. > For the consumer environment, breaking extensions is highly undesirable, > and extremely annoying behaviour; So don't use Addons that are prone to breakage. > * What is the most appropriate long term goal for Thunderbird: > -» To be a quasi-Outlook clone (^2); No, to be *better*. There are some UI features in Outlook I rather like, and I have made some feature requests for Thunderbird to provide similar, but better, features - 3 of these are: Mail/message listing/thread pane needs more organization in 3 vertical pane view (like Outlook, Lotus Notes et al.) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213945 Allow customization of choices in View > Folders (Folder Views) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1159713 Allow 'Pinning' (and re-ordering) one or more 'Folder Views' to the top of the Folder Pane https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1163555 > -» To be a quasi-Pidgeon clone *^3); The chat client? I kind of like the idea of chat integration, but I'd muvh prefer that TB fix the major issues first (UI rewrite to JS, Address Book rewrite to eliminate Mork DB, issues with replies/forwards with inline attachments, IMAP performance improvements, etc > ^2: I don't use Outlook, so I have no idea what features Outlook > currently offers --- other than reliable retrieving email under all > conditions --- that Thunderbird does not currently support; Like I said earlier, my experience, and that of many dozens of others over many years, is the exact opposite, but that could be due to our use of IMAP vs your use (misuse if you are using 'leave messages on server' mis-feature) of ancient POP. Charles -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO?
Outlook is the worst piece of software ever developed by a living organism (I would not dare to say human being, as a human being would not be able to put together that amount of crap, not to say a developer). The simple fact that it does not support a single email standard - not even those set in the early 70s - is a testament to that. --- Italo Vignoli it...@libreoffice.org mobile +39.348.5653829 sent from mobile Il 27 febbraio 2016 1:02:08 PM Andrea Venturoli ha scritto: On 02/26/16 20:29, toki wrote: Probably the biggest difference between Outlook and Thunderbird, is that the former will reliably retrieve email, regardless of the number of accounts, or quantity of email in each account, whereas Thunderbird chokes up and dies under the same conditions. Swap "former" and "latter" and I can confirm this on a vast number of case: TB will play nicely where OL will crumble, crash, lock, lose messages, etc... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05
On 02/27/16 02:49, toki wrote: ^2: I don't use Outlook, so I have no idea what features Outlook currently offers --- other than reliable retrieving email under all conditions --- that Thunderbird does not currently support; Reliability aside (I really don't trust OL and I've got lot of backing experience to support that), I've yet to find a feature in OL that TB is missing (apart integration with Exchange). Talk to any OL fan: ask why they think OL it is better and they'll always say "it's better" without being able to provide even the most weak explanation. This is IMO a good indication that it's not. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO?
On 02/26/16 20:29, toki wrote: Probably the biggest difference between Outlook and Thunderbird, is that the former will reliably retrieve email, regardless of the number of accounts, or quantity of email in each account, whereas Thunderbird chokes up and dies under the same conditions. Swap "former" and "latter" and I can confirm this on a vast number of case: TB will play nicely where OL will crumble, crash, lock, lose messages, etc... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
