Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: limited undo.

[Gabriele Ponzo]

2016-09-03 20:02 GMT+02:00 Xen :

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> They are not grouped together like in other applications.
>
> Ok, I got it now.

Sorry for my misunderstanding :)
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base constantly crashes

[Robert Großkopf]

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Hi Larry,
> 
> I have Apple's Java installed. That bug is not the problem and was
> fixed in LibreOffice. However the latest comments on that report
> lead to a new bug 
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101057 which is
> the cause of my problem.

So it could be a good idea to switch to LO 5.2.1

You could find the prerelease here:

http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/mac/x86_64/

Regards

Robert
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: limited undo.

[Xen]

Gabriele Ponzo schreef op 03-09-2016 19:40:

To be honest, I believe that a proper use of Writer could avoid this
"problem".

What I mean is that probably it could be enough to delete word by word,
using CTRL key together with BackSpace or Delete key. In this way it 
should

take one step of undo per each word, instead of a single character.

Also consider selecting and THEN delete. For example you could use 
Shift

with Home and End keys or with CTRL and arrows keys...

Word processing IS NOT exactly like using a typewriter ;)


You misinterpret this.

We are not talking about deleting things step by step, but undoing 
things step by step, which is hardcoded. We are not talking of forcing 
individual deletes into the undo buffer, but of seeing individual 
"restores" being taken out of the undo buffer.


These individual restores result from individual character presses while 
typing.


They are not grouped together like in other applications.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Base constantly crashes

[Larry Gusaas]

On 2016-09-03, 1:12 AM Robert Großkopf wrote:


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Hi Larry,


Every time I open a database (or create a new one) LibreOffice
crashes as soon as I click on anything. Totally unusable.

There seems to be a problem with Oracle-Java and Mac OS:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94716

If there is installed Apples Java also, this bug doesen't appear.


I have Apple's Java installed. That bug is not the problem and was fixed in LibreOffice. 
However the latest comments on that report lead to a new bug 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101057 which is the cause of my problem.



I only use it occasionally so I don't know which update caused it
to quit. LibreOffice and Java have been updated since I last used
it.

LibreOffice: Version: 5.2.0.4

Java: jdk1.8.0_101.jdk

Mac OS X version 10.11.6

Regards

Robert





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: limited undo.

[Gabriele Ponzo]

To be honest, I believe that a proper use of Writer could avoid this
"problem".

What I mean is that probably it could be enough to delete word by word,
using CTRL key together with BackSpace or Delete key. In this way it should
take one step of undo per each word, instead of a single character.

Also consider selecting and THEN delete. For example you could use Shift
with Home and End keys or with CTRL and arrows keys...

Word processing IS NOT exactly like using a typewriter ;)

Il 03 set 2016 17:16, "m.a.riosv"  ha
scritto:

> Since 5.1 undo step are available only into the expert configuration
> Menu/Tools/Options/LibreOffice/Advanced -  TOpen expert configuration.
> Verify if steps value is enough, default value is 100.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Goodbye to Open Office (maybe?)

[Gilles Gravier]

Hello!


On 03/09/2016 15:01, Xen wrote:
> CVAlkan schreef op 03-09-2016 13:50:
>> For those who haven't seen this:
>> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/09/openoffice-after-years-of-neglect-could-shut-down/
>>
>> Is this a case of "Where there's smoke ..."
>
> The LibreOffice developers that split off refused to contribute code
> under the "Oracle" license and according to the words of Mark
> Shuttlworth "made their work hell". (Made the work hell of the
> remaining paid Oracle employees).
>
> Since also LibreOffice was allowed to take code from ApacheOffice but
> not in reverse (due to it restrictive license) (LibreOffice had a
> license that forbade it from being given back to Apache/Oracle
> OpenOffice) any updates only flowed in one way and provided the doom
> for OpenOffice.
>

The LibreOffice software is published under the Mozilla Public License
Version 2.0... Not a particularly restrictive license.
LO License : https://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/licenses/
MPL 2.0 : https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/MPL/2.0/

In fact it's a great license to enable combining with other software.

Now, when Oracle (I used to work there) gave the OOo code to Apache,
they were really hoping to kill LO. But to their big surprise (and
contrary to all the bullshit I was given by the (at the time) head of
software strategy there), LO dit way better than OOo. OOo suffers from
many problems, from structural (Apache has taken an unreasonable amount
of time to clean up all the code - in particular licenses - but not the
actual algorithmics of the app) to project-wise (developers not adhering
to the idea, not committed to contributing enough, and as a result, new
versions comming out drop by drop, one  every year and a half - when LO
has new versions every few months or more often).

So the good guys here are LO. They're doing great work. They're keeping
alive software that Oracle did its best to "not kill" (it was a
commitment from Oracle to the European Commission when they acquired
Sun)... while still doing its best to make it disappear (they are really
upset that they never found a way to make money from it, and that they
never could control the community the way thew would have wanted to -
case in point, The Document Foundation is the exact opposite of what
Oracle wanted to achieve - including limiting sponsorship amounts so
that no single entity can claim to have overwhelming financial impact to
justify imposing directions to the project).

It would be a good thing FOR EVERYBODY if Apache decided to officially
call it quits on OOo, and put out one last version that had links for
next updates to the LibreOffice web site. Of course they have too much
pride to even accept the idea of doing this, so instead, they are
leaving their users with software that is terribly outdated (last build
4.1.2 is dated October 28th, 2015, and I'll let you imagine the number
of unpatched vulnerabilities inside)... They are pathetic. And
dangerous. And dying... Apache Foundation has many much more great
projects that they are working on, and doing a great job of keeping active!

Gilles

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[libreoffice-users] Re: limited undo.

[m.a.riosv]

Since 5.1 undo step are available only into the expert configuration
Menu/Tools/Options/LibreOffice/Advanced -  TOpen expert configuration.
Verify if steps value is enough, default value is 100. 

 



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[libreoffice-users] Re: limited undo.

[V Stuart Foote]

m.a.riosv wrote
> Since 5.1 undo step are available only into the expert configuration
> Menu/Tools/Options/LibreOffice/Advanced -  TOpen expert configuration.
> Verify if steps value is enough, default value is 100. 
 

And be aware that each character entered & corrected is an *undo* step, and
that each full word and word boundary are each *undo* steps. So for an
average typist the 100 step "*undo*"  covers only about two full lines of
text entry.  

So from Tools -> Options -> Advanced: "Expert Configuration"  the
Office.Common "Undo" value need to be set to ~300, to cover six lines. And
increase as you'd like to be able to address--down side is memory usage and
loss of responsiveness can grow.




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[libreoffice-users] Libreoffice: do not attach document in send function

[Massimo]

Hello,
i have a problem with my new installation of Libreoffice:
Version: 5.1.4.2
Build ID: 1:5.1.4-0ubuntu1
CPU Threads: 2; OS Version: Linux 4.4; UI Render: default;

When i choose to send a document directly using: File -> Send -> E-mail
document, Libreoffice call my mail reader (thunderbird 45.2.0), appear
the new mail in composition, in the subject field there is the name of
the file, but in attach there is anything and i have to attach it my
hand, choosing it with the button 'attach'.
There is the same problem if i choose File-> Send -> E-mail as PDF

Any idea to resolve it?

Thanks
Massimo



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Re: [libreoffice-users] limited undo.

[Remy Gauthier]

Hello,

The size of the undo buffer seems controlled by a property that is
accessible in the Advanced settings (via options). Look for

org.openoffice.Office.Common

and then look for the property Undo and change the value of Steps.

My setup has 100 as number of steps which, like you point, out may be
insufficient for remembering the typing of 6 lines of text. You could
probably increase that number to some higher number (I have not tried
it myself so you will be in uncharted territory) to have a larger undo
buffer and this way be able to undo more steps (you may have to restart
LO at that point for it to use the new value). Note that this will have
an impact on memory usage and maybe on global performance depending on
the system you use to run LO.

I hope this helps.

Rémy Gauthier.

Le samedi 03 septembre 2016 à 14:31 +0200, Xen a écrit :
> Again I am bitten by the limited undo functionality of LibreOffice.
> 
> Task:
> 
> undo the writing of about 6 lines of text and the single delete that 
> went before that.
> 
> Result:
> 
> fail. The undo buffer is already depleted before it has undone the 
> writing of those 6 lines of text, so it cannot yet also undo the 
> deletion, that I needed to get back.
> 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Goodbye to Open Office (maybe?)

[fudmer rieley]

One more reason to contribute  occasionally to the Libre office development 
teams. 




On Sat, 9/3/16, Xen  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Goodbye to Open Office (maybe?)
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Saturday, September 3, 2016, 8:01 AM
 
 CVAlkan schreef op
 03-09-2016 13:50:
 > For those who
 haven't seen this:
 > 
 > http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/09/openoffice-after-years-of-neglect-could-shut-down/
 > 
 > Is this a case of
 "Where there's smoke ..."
 
 The LibreOffice developers that split off
 refused to contribute code 
 under the
 "Oracle" license and according to the words of
 Mark 
 Shuttlworth "made their work
 hell". (Made the work hell of the remaining 
 paid Oracle employees).
 
 Since also LibreOffice was allowed to take code
 from ApacheOffice but 
 not in reverse (due
 to it restrictive license) (LibreOffice had a 
 license that forbade it from being given back
 to Apache/Oracle 
 OpenOffice) any updates
 only flowed in one way and provided the doom for 
 OpenOffice.
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Goodbye to Open Office (maybe?)

[Dave]

On 03.09.2016 13:50, CVAlkan wrote:
> For those who haven't seen this:
>
> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/09/openoffice-after-years-of-neglect-could-shut-down/
>
> Is this a case of "Where there's smoke ..."

The short answer is, no.

Arstechnica, while being a moderately reasonable source of information,
are well known for their sensationalist headlines.

Yes, there is a situation that needs to be resolved and the folks at AOO
are publicly working hard to find the best solution.

However, it is an AOO issue, that is unlikely to have any impact on us,
so please let's not degrade ourselves by entering into a meaningless
thread of speculation, FUD, misinformation and flame wars.

Dave

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Goodbye to Open Office (maybe?)

[Xen]

CVAlkan schreef op 03-09-2016 13:50:

For those who haven't seen this:

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/09/openoffice-after-years-of-neglect-could-shut-down/

Is this a case of "Where there's smoke ..."


The LibreOffice developers that split off refused to contribute code 
under the "Oracle" license and according to the words of Mark 
Shuttlworth "made their work hell". (Made the work hell of the remaining 
paid Oracle employees).


Since also LibreOffice was allowed to take code from ApacheOffice but 
not in reverse (due to it restrictive license) (LibreOffice had a 
license that forbade it from being given back to Apache/Oracle 
OpenOffice) any updates only flowed in one way and provided the doom for 
OpenOffice.


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[libreoffice-users] limited undo.

[Xen]

Again I am bitten by the limited undo functionality of LibreOffice.

Task:

undo the writing of about 6 lines of text and the single delete that 
went before that.


Result:

fail. The undo buffer is already depleted before it has undone the 
writing of those 6 lines of text, so it cannot yet also undo the 
deletion, that I needed to get back.


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[libreoffice-users] Goodbye to Open Office (maybe?)

[CVAlkan]

For those who haven't seen this:

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/09/openoffice-after-years-of-neglect-could-shut-down/

Is this a case of "Where there's smoke ..."




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Base constantly crashes

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Hi Larry,

> Every time I open a database (or create a new one) LibreOffice
> crashes as soon as I click on anything. Totally unusable.

There seems to be a problem with Oracle-Java and Mac OS:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94716

If there is installed Apples Java also, this bug doesen't appear.
> 
> I only use it occasionally so I don't know which update caused it
> to quit. LibreOffice and Java have been updated since I last used
> it.
> 
> LibreOffice: Version: 5.2.0.4
> 
> Java: jdk1.8.0_101.jdk
> 
> Mac OS X version 10.11.6


Regards

Robert

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