RE: [libreoffice-users] Sponsoring improvements and bug fixes
Hi Andy, Just a quick note of support. Several years ago I helped a friend in a small business with just 6 computers migrate to LO and while it was a bit of a challenge at first the users very quickly realised the advantages and yes some MSO documents will give you trouble especially .docx but it is worth the perseverance. (If you have problems with .docx, convert them to .doc and then to ODF.) Now that company employs over 30 people and they save everything in ODF formats and only convert documents to MSO formats when a customer or supplier specifically requests it. Push ahead with the confidence that you are doing the right thing. Cheers, Bruce Carlson -Original Message- From: Andrew Beverley [mailto:a...@andybev.com] Sent: Wednesday, 2 July 2014 8:43 AM To: Tom Davies Cc: Florian Reisinger; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Sponsoring improvements and bug fixes On Tue, 2014-07-01 at 16:18 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: That once they reach a stage of their migration where they start making substantial savings then they could put a fraction of that saving into external support like that or even to consider paying a couple of in-house devs part-time. Thanks Tom, a good idea, and certainly the kind of direction I'd like to go. However, at the moment, it's a company with only 4 employees, so that's not a lot of development work that can be done with the savings (at least in the short term). The problem is that I'm having trouble migrating even one of the users across when some things don't work as expected (we've all heard it: the document opens okay in MS office). Whilst I understand all the issues and am happy to fund within my own budget, it's very difficult to persuade the end-user given the circumstances. Wish me luck! Andy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Which components do you use most?
HI Anne, Yes a very interesting question:- Me:- Writer and Calc extensively all the time even on my Samsung tablet (running under Ubuntu but that's another story) 33% each Draw I use at least once a day. (I like it --- it is a very good easy to use application) 22% Impress I use often. (I find it better than MS PowerPoint. Impress has less bugs and is easier to use.)11% Base I use rarely. 1% I have this idea that when (if) I retire I will dedicate much of my time to helping make base a useable application but at the moment it just does not fulfil any requirements but that does not mean that I think it should be suspended because I do think that it has the prospect of being something excellent but needs much more development and that takes time and developers. I find that LO does not handle Visio files very well either yet. This makes Access and Visio the only two MSO applications I still use. (Oh! And outlook which the company I work for insists on everyone using). Bruce Carlson Applications Development Manager -Original Message- From: anne-ology [mailto:lagin...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 12 May 2014 8:45 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Which components do you use most? an interesting survey - as for me: Writer - prefer this to any other text program; use to write, ... Calc - don't use since still do manually ;-) Impress - use to use for presentations, then would convert to video; now skip that 1st step Base - don't use since still do manually - (well, old-fashioned with good, artistic hand-writing) Draw - have not gotten the hang of drawing with these machines; they just don't look as appealing as done by hand ;-) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com Date: Sun, May 11, 2014 at 4:53 PM Subject: [libreoffice-users] Which components do you use most? To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org I'm curious to find out what components of LO are used most by the people on this list. I think it helps to know different folks' area of experience. It might also help us in learning new ways to integrate the different components. For myself, my approximate usage is: Writer (85% of my use of LO) Calc(10%) Impress (3%, Maybe four to five presentations a year) Base (once a year to print out labels for my Christmas cards) Draw (What's that?) Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Would somebody be able to help a newbe to LibreOffice.
HI, Place your cursor in cell (A41) On the menu bar click [Window] then [Freeze] This will freeze all rows above where you have the cursor placed. If you put the cursor in cell (C41) as well as freezing all rows above 41 you would also freeze all columns before C. That is columns A and B would also be frozen. If you already have a freeze point set you will need to clear it before setting a new point. Hope this helps. Cheers, Bruce Carlson -Original Message- From: Bill Gassner [mailto:bill.gass...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 8 November 2013 12:22 PM To: tomc...@gmail.com Cc: anne-ology; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Would somebody be able to help a newbe to LibreOffice Hi All, Thanks for responding to my call for help. Here is the situation: I have a LibreOffice Cal sheet with rows 1-34 with text. Rows 35-40 with titles above 7 colums. Rows 41-100 is entries. I would like to modify document so that rows 35-40 stay fixed when I scroll down to say column 100. This way the titles of the seven columns would always be visible. I know this can be done. What formula would I use and where would I put that? Many thanks in advance Bill -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] editing Sharepoint documents
Hi All, I've been trying to find a way to checkout and edit documents from sharepoint libraries. I want to be able to use libreoffice on Ubuntu to edit both Microsoft and open document formats. I am able to checkout from sharepoint but the documents open in libreoffice as readonly. I've been trying to find plugins etc. on the internet but I always end up being directed to a page that does not exist Anyone know how to do this. Thanks, Bruce Carlson. Website: www.nepean.comhttp://www.nepean.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting
An interesting observation Virgil. When I went to school, mind you it was several lifetimes ago and in the backwoods of the Australian outback so it may not be too relevant to anywhere else on the planet but, I was told to always leave a double space at the end of every sentence. That was with hand writing, before typewriters were invented, at least there were none within several hundred miles of where I grew up. These days with modern word processors I just don't bother to even try and insert two spaces at the end of sentences but I suppose I should, it certainly looks nicer and may even be proper. It would be nice if modern word processors at least provided the option of a setting to do this automatically. Perhaps it should be the default setting. (please note no double spaces used in this text) Cheers all, Bruce Carlson -Original Message- From: Virgil Arrington [mailto:cuyfa...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, 16 August 2013 10:29 AM To: James Knott; LibreOffice Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting I got my information from Robert Bringhurst's book The Elements of Typographic Style. I have noticed that older books from the 19th century had wider spacing after sentence ending punctuation. Newer books, say from the mid 20th century on, seem to have narrower spacing between sentences. Virgil -Original Message- From: James Knott Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 10:22 AM To: LibreOffice Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting Virgil Arrington wrote: The typographic standard is to only use one space between sentences with proportionally spaced fonts. In the old hand set type (which I have worked with) there were different width spaces (en em quads), depending on where they were used. Typically, an en quad was used between words and an em quad between sentences. The names refer to the width of upper case N and M characters. So, the space between words was as wide as an N and between sentences, an M. There were also wider ones, such as double M and triple M. Typesetting machines, such as the Linotype also had provision for different width spaces. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Mac OS X 10.4 Check for Updates Glitched
In regards to your observations on updates/upgrades, Well put Tom, If I may add, Every now and then when I click Shut down on my new windows 7 machine (which I absolutely loath) I get a message DON'T TOUCH ANYTHINGINSTALLING UPDATE 1 OF XXX (I know all about turning windows updates on and off but that is not the issue.) This last happened yesterday afternoon as I was leaving work. Installing update 1 of 11. it took 17 minutes to download and install the 11 updates which it claimed were all security updates (I keep asking why but not even microsoft knows why.) (anyone who thinks windows is wonderful is ignorant of the obvious.) However when I finally did get to go home I fired up my laptop and did some more work on a document I was working on before leaving work. I DO NOT HAVE ANY MICROSOFT OFFICE PROGRAMS ON MY MACHINE I use only LO, however, when I tried to do a spell check on the doc I was working on spell checker said OK no Errors But I knew there were errors. I opened a few other documents in both writer and calc and the same result. Spell checker failed every time. Now I last used spell checker and it worked fine just before the windows updates. After much testing and reinstalling LO 3.5.2.2 still no spell checker. I uninstalled LO again and this time reinstalled an older version (3.4.4) and suddenly spell checker worked fine again. So without uninstalling version 3.4.4, I re-installed 3.5.2.2 over the top and guess what. everything is fine again. Why would a windows security update (1 of 11) suddenly make LO spell checker fail and require the installation of an older version to get it back? The same thing has happened on a number of other company laptops running LO on windows operating systems, both XP and Win7 and all immediately after a windows update. In all cases installing a different version and then re-installing the latest version again fixed the issue. How many Grannies would know to install an older version of LO and re-install the latest version every time Microsoft issues faulty automatic updates? By the way, being a grandfather I take offence when grannies are referred to as being somehow technologically illiterate. And I'm still a programmer ...among other things :-) Bruce Carlson Business Systems Analyst / IT Projects Manager bruce.carl...@nepean.com Website: www.nepeangroup.com -Original Message- From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2012 10:35 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Mac OS X 10.4 Check for Updates Glitched Hi :) Updates and upgrades are different things although i guess there is some overlap in the middle. Frequent updates and bug fixes are a mark of quality which is odd really, when you really think about it. What it means to me is that the program, as sold to customers, was so broken and easily exploited that it needs a whole load of extra work to be added later. Note that the updates for MS Office are almost entirely Security updates. There is almost never any mention of updates increasing functionality nor to add extra features. Similarly for Windows, for Adobe products, Oracle stuff and so on. LO and other OpenSource programs tend to be written with security as a top priority. Over the past year or so there have only been about 2 times when upgrades have been about solving security issues. Those security issues were pre-emptive as there didn't appear to be any threats out in the wild. All the rest of the upgrades have been about adding functionality and simmering the code down to make it smaller and faster. MS Office only upgrades once every few years. Four years between 2003 and 2007, then another 3 before 2010. Each install is a major pita. Everything changes. Compatibility issues with older documents. Several rounds of updates and reboots. Settings and all that tend to be lost by default. Installing an OpenSource product is easier as it keeps the old settings and stuff and still reads old documents the same. If you don't like the newer one then reinstalling the older one back over the top is easy. Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 17/4/12, precutcolo...@mailcan.com precutcolo...@mailcan.com wrote: From: precutcolo...@mailcan.com precutcolo...@mailcan.com Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Mac OS X 10.4 Check for Updates Glitched To: Users LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 17 April, 2012, 0:10 Well thank you Tom. I know beacoup info about release cycles, open vs. proprietary, and user configs. I seek to help grandmas. Updates item [is] pointless When Libre app reports no update to grandma, but I counter-invite to Libre org's home page news, grandma gets confused. Why does the app say different than the web site? Microsoft Office update doesn't behave so, nor Windows Update. The patches listed on Microsoft's web
RE: [libreoffice-users] French/English date
Hi, In reply to Julius. I understand your explanation and it seems to me that what you are asking for is a permanent correction or addition to an existing function in the French localisation and I'd imagine that that would not be too difficult to do. Although I have no real idea of how the current formats are coded but I appreciate the frustration people using the French localisations must feel. However your original post on this subject has sparked much interest and has led to other possible adaptations of your original request such as:- 1. multi language ordinal functions. Imagine being able to select a range of cells in calc and setting the format to ordinal for any number value. 2 . expanded functionality in creating custom number and date formats including the use of ordinals to allow for people to create their own formats from local custom not only national language. 3. and one I have introduced and that is being able to save custom formats with a friendly name that can be, once saved, selected from the existing format list as and when required. You may also be correct in these ideas not being solved by an extension but by actually modifying the LO code itself, that is, embedded directly into LO may be a better solution. However please don't think that these expansions of your original post detract in any way from the importance of your original post because what you have brought to everyone's attention is the need to correct an existing flaw, not to introduce a new function, although in order to do what you have asked does require the creation of some new functions and it is these new functions that has sparked everyone's imagination as to other possible uses . Bruce Carlson -Original Message- From: julius.bec...@gmail.com [mailto:julius.bec...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Julius Becker Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2011 9:23 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] French/English date Hi at all, creating an extension might be a solution, but in my opinion, it isn't a good one. In French dates like 1er d cembre 2011, the ordinal number for the first day of a month isn't an option, it's obligatory. You cannot say 1 d cembre 2011 like LO does. So, LO should offer the possibility for ordinal numbers without a special extension. The same for English dates. In classes of students who learn English as a foreign language, it would be very useful to have a long form of the English date on worksheets, including st, nd, rd and th. Doug is right that one could simply _write_ and copy the date, but in my opinion, fields are there to ease the work. Since D could mean in French 1er, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, ..., it could be introduced even for English as 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, ... Kind regards, Julius -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] French/English date
HI, It may have been some years between Brian going to school and my school days and also I may have had teachers who were already old fashion then too, however at all my schools we were told that you should always try to write sentences as if you were speaking them. That meant you should always include the articles and punctuation marks. It was acceptable to write some long numbers in numeric format such as the year and financial/currency amounts. Over time short hand expressions have become more and more acceptable due to expedience however there are still many of us who feel that something is missing when we read or write long date formats without the articles. Please don't confuse long date formats with shorthand formats. they both have their specific uses. I agree that there should not be a full stop after the ordinal ie: st, th or rd but in most word processors today the only way to make the ordinal jump up to the subscript area like when using 2 for square or 3 for cube is to add the full stop and then a space. As much as I agree with most of Tom's comments on this subject I still like to see the articles (the and of) and the comma after the month name and a full stop at the end but only if it is the end of the sentence. Maybe I'm getting too close to retirement age. :-) The original point of this thread was date formats in French and we seem to be forgetting that it is localisation of formats in all languages and customs that is under question. I'd personally like to see an attempt at improving this function and it is not only in word processors where you can free type any format you choose but also in spread sheets and databases etc. where the system is doing the formatting. A greater ability to create custom formats would help, especially if the ability to include ordinals in multiple language styles is introduced and it would good if LO was to take an international lead in this area. In lot of custom format functions I've seen you can add specific text by wrapping the text in inverted commas so adding articles to custom formats is possible. If anyone would like it I'd happily post my c# code for long date formats and ordinal functions that I use in database front end applications. If I dig deep enough I'd probably find the same functions written in several versions of basic as well. All this is a matter of personal choice and localising for multiple customs but isn't that a big part of what LO is all about? Cheers all, Bruce Carlson -Original Message- From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2011 12:29 AM o: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] French/English date Hi :) Tuesday 29 November 2011 feels very wrong to me. There needs to be a th in super-script just after the 29. I agree about removing superfluous punctuation though. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 30/11/11, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote: From: Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] French/English date To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 30 November, 2011, 7:51 At 23:38 29/11/2011 +1100, Bruce Carlson wrote: It has bothered me for years but the correct long date format in English or at least English English is :- eg: Tuesday the 29th. of November, 2011. Note the correct use of articles, ordinals, commas and full stops... (the things Americans call periods.) No word processor or database application I have ever seen can format long dates correctly in English or any other language that I'm aware of and that is why I've written my own code and macros to format dates the way I was taught at school and while that was many many many years ago evolution is no excuse for inaccuracy. To format dates incorrectly seems to me to be an expedience, not an attempt at accuracy. Whilst we have for many years had to endure commercial applications written in one particular cultural style or another I believe open source is a very good opportunity to get localisations (notice the use of s and not zed) correct and if people from various cultures can contribute to this we will all be winners. Sorry, but you were mis-taught at school. What you write and what you see in written language does not always correspond exactly to what you say. Yes: the way you say that date in British English may well be tuesday the twenty-ninth of november twenty eleven, but that doesn't mean that you have to express all of those sounds in writing. Take, for example, your 2011. If that were an account number, you would probably read and speak it as two oh one one (or possibly two zero one one) or two oh double one; if it were a plain number, you would say two thousand and eleven (USians would say two thousand eleven); as it is a date, you say twenty eleven. (Well, I hope you do.) You don't read 29th as two nine tee aitch or even as twenty-nine tee aitch, but as twenty-ninth. Your telephone
RE: [libreoffice-users] French/English date
Hi Julius, I understand your concerns completely. It has bothered me for years but the correct long date format in English or at least English English is :- eg: Tuesday the 29th. of November, 2011. Note the correct use of articles, ordinals, commas and full stops... (the things Americans call periods.) No word processor or database application I have ever seen can format long dates correctly in English or any other language that I'm aware of and that is why I've written my own code and macros to format dates the way I was taught at school and while that was many many many years ago evolution is no excuse for inaccuracy. To format dates incorrectly seems to me to be an expedience, not an attempt at accuracy. Whilst we have for many years had to endure commercial applications written in one particular cultural style or another I believe open source is a very good opportunity to get localisations (notice the use of s and not zed) correct and if people from various cultures can contribute to this we will all be winners. Bruce Carlson -Original Message- From: Julius Becker [mailto:julius.bec...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011 8:17 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] French/English date Hi everyone, LibreOffice (I use version 3.4.4 under Windows 7) offers the possibility to insert a text field that shows the current date. Although using the German version, I can insert a French date in the worksheets for my students. Unfortunately, there is a little mistake that bugs me: In French, you normally use the number of the day, the name of the month and the year. Like 28 novembre 2011. But on every first day of a month, you have to use the ordinal number: 1er d cembre 2011. LibreOffice (as well as Word) ignores this rule. It doesn't allow English date formats with ordinal numbers like 1st/2nd/3rd/4th/5th of December 2011 neither. I find this hard to believe since this is a common way to write down a date (especially in French). This is why I ask you. Maybe I've been to blind to see the simple answer. Thanks, Julius -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Printing Multiple Copies Duplex
Hi, I had the same problem recently. Or at least I think so. Correct me if I've misunderstood your problem. Only way I got around it was to create a second page on my document which was an exact copy of the first page and then select print 2 copies and print duplex. And selecting combine print jobs made no difference It works but I'd also like to know if there is a better way because every time I make a modification I have to do it to both pages. It would be much better to be able to send 2 copies of one page to the printer and get it to print duplex that is one copy on each side of the paper. Bruce Carlson -Original Message- From: Keith Bates [mailto:ke...@new-life.org.au] Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2011 3:48 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Printing Multiple Copies Duplex Hi list members. I'm having trouble doing something that used to be easy and automatic. I need to print multiple song sheets. They are in two columns printed landscape. Each song sheet fits onto one A4 page. I print the copies back to back then cut pages in half, giving me two sheets of A5 each containing identical content. In previous versions of LO this was straight forward. Set the number of copies, set to print duplex. In 3.4.4 I am finding that it sends each page out as a separate print job even when I select the option to combine into a single job (under the Options tab in the print dialog- it used to be under Tools-Options-General-Print, I think). It happily prints a second blank page on the back of the first so I get exactly what I don't want. I also make sure that the option for printing extra blank pages is not selected. I'm using Ubuntu 11.10 if that helps. -- God bless you Keith Bates Narrabri NSW Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: which of my American, British, and Canadian English dictionaries are now online
Hi Tom, I just added the total number of words in these dictionaries and it's three million, nine hundred and thirty one thousand words. An unbelievable amount of work for one guy. I would say Brilliant work. Cheers, Bruce. Hi :) It is good to see you have all those dictionaries accepted as extensions listed on one page together http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/american-british-canadia n-spelling-hyphen-thesaurus-dictionaries/releases/1.0 Godo work chap! Regards from Tom :) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/which-of-my-American-British-and-Canadi an-English-dictionaries-are-now-online-tp3491034p3498661.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Interviewer, anyone?
On 10/4/2011 7:38 PM, Callme Shane wrote: Italo is a snipped. I told him so. He couldn't shovel snipped On 10/04/2011 05:35 PM, Gene Young wrote: Why would he? That's your job! PLONK on Wednesday, 5th. of October 2011 at 12:21 PM, NoOp wrote: Each of us may 'plonk' him/her, but thousands of others will still see the posts. I'd suggest that it's time for an LO list moderator step in and block callmeshane...@gmail.com from the list altogether. I agree with NoOp. Some of this individual's comments have provided a little light comic relief, however the majority of it's comments have been nothing more than obscene arrogant mindless spiteful personal attacks designed to do nothing more than interrupt and slander the workings of a perfectly good organisation. I don't think any of us need that in our lives. The purpose of this list is to help each other and to argue new ideas, not for posting obscenities from the gutter. Bruce. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Auto Filling Drop Down Boxes
Am 21.09.2011 19:00, stripedtomato wrote: I have three drop down boxes: City, State, Zip as part of an address record. As of now, I have to make independent selections for each of these drop down boxes. What I would like to do is when selecting a city from the drop down box list, then related state and zip information would automatically be filled in, in their respective drop down boxes, and the information stored in their respective db cells. == 22/09/2011: Andreas S�ger Wrote:- This is impossible because big cities have more than one ZIP and there are ambiguous city names. You may enter a city name and then choose the actual city and zip from suggested data. I use to enter zip codes. Each zip code belongs to one particular city in one state. Apart from this, big companies and public sectors have their own zip codes. == Hi stripedtomato, What you want to do is actually very easy. At least in Australia where it is possible to download a postcode file from the post office (what USA folk call a zip code we call a postcode (with no spaces)). However even without starting from a set data file it is still possible to create the tables and code and add zip codes as and when required. In the City/Suburb drop down list, all cities, suburbs, towns, villages and other zip codes for the relevant country are listed and should be sorted alphabetically then if there are thirty instances of Bridge Town for example each would have additional columns in the dropdown list for State, zip code and any other information needed to quickly identify the correct Bridge Town then in the afterupdate or onvalidate event (etc. depending on programming platform) simply write code to add the relevant data from the state and zip code columns in the list. Of course to do this you will need a dropdown control capable of handling multiple columns. You could do as Andreas S�ger suggested and sort the list by zip code but that would mean that everyone using the system would need to know the zip codes but this is not very practicable as most people find it much easier to remember actual names rather than the relevant code. So if there was a Bridge Town MA or Bridge Town CA or Bridge Town NJ most users would know instantly which Bridge Town they wanted. (I'm only guessing with Bridge Town because the last time I was in the United States of America I lost count of the number of Bridge Towns I drove through. A bit like Kingston in Australia. Every state's got at least one.) Also in Australia, I'm guessing that it's much the same in your country, there are many small adjoining suburbs with the same postcode. So just entering a zip code would not necessarily give the correct data for location name and state. In Great Brittan and parts of Europe it is much more difficult because each street has at least one or more postcodes, however these codes come in two parts, the first part represents the area and the second part represents a section of the street. Cheers, if you need any code samples, let me know what platform you are using and I'll see if I can help, Bruce Carlson. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base Help
At 12:01 15/09/2011 -0700, Tom Davies wrote: The list is quite sophisticated enough to avoid sending you messages that you write. Brian Barker ... Does anyone believe this? Fortunately it's rubbish, isn't it? Every time I send an email to the list I get a copy sent back to my inbox. I thought this was supposed to happen. However this could be because I send though a different mail server than the one I have registered with this list. Maybe I should try sending from the same server that I receive through and see if I still get copies in my inbox.. Regards, Bruce Carlson. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calc corrupted an Excel xlsx file, should I report a bug?
e-letter wrote: Solution #1: Send back an xls version of that file and ask them to exchange spreadsheets in that format. Better still, send in ods and ask the recipient to use LO. If the suggestion is declined, buy m$o. When minor incompatibility is discovered between m$ hardware and software, such bugs should be published to m$ and not here! at0mic You can't be serious. LibreOffice/OpenOffice has such low use in the corporate world that I would be remiss to ask the other user to download a ~200MB software package just to view the document I send them. You just don't play those kinds of games in the business world, not unless you want to aggravate others for no gain (no, you won't increase LO/OO uptake by only using non-Office formats, you'll just piss people off if you ask them to install another software package for no discernible reason). Sending an .xls version and asking the person on the other end to keep the document in that format is a valid point and can be substantiated by the fact that even different versions of MSO have trouble reading each other's version of .xlsx formats. Try swapping an .xlsx document with complex formulae between office 2003 and office 2010. Sometimes it might work. Trying to coerce or force others into using international standards instead of MS standards will have a negative effect in the acceptance of these international standards. For increasing the awareness and take up of LO in business, the best results I've had is by pointing out the extra functionality of LO that can't be provided by MSO, such as the ability to load and modify and re-save .pdf documents. This has been a big selling point in my organisation with around twenty new users this year already. (only 380 users to go) The biggest obstacle I have in promoting LO is younger IT staff who tried Open Office several years ago during their uni days and have been scared off from trying later versions by repeated and continuing MS propaganda. I find the same attitude towards GIMP. Today I had our Helpdesk manager call GIMP unusable rubbish. I asked him what his preferred Microsoft alternative was and when did he last try GIMP. No answer, was the stern reply. :-) (e-letter's use of the $ sign in M$ is quite amusing and to the point.) cheers, Bruce Carlson -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Calc-corrupted-an-Excel-xlsx-file-shoul d-I-report-a-bug-tp3315926p3318717.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can Libre Office be installed on an external drive. ?
-Original Message- From: At0mic [mailto:atomicbutterfl...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2011 3:57 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Can Libre Office be installed on an external drive. ? I notice some people are talking about Thunderbird and other alternatives to Outlook. I should probably remind some people that Outlook is not just a mail client. It has a Calendar, Tasks manager, voting system, and a few other titbits that all exist within the same application which gives it a very high level of integration. The problem is that this integration is very important for a lot of people in the corporate world, and an ad hoc bundling of various applications to do the same stuff but not quite as well integrated might not sit well with some people, particularly if you can't give the same level of functionality. Outlook is what it is not just for the email side of things. This is precisely why outlook is the only MS application I have installed on my work machines. Apart from development environments, VS 2003,2005,2008 2010 and what comes bundled with windows stupid I mean windows 7. Most of which I don't use anyway. With the entire company using an MS exchange server and sharing calendars and contacts I'm forced to use outlook. Let's face it, not everything microsoft do is bad. Just most things. The problems with Microsoft come when you have bulk licencing agreements and are forced to install their products to comply with their licences. Then management says We're paying for the licence, we may as well use it. This makes change very difficult. Cheers, From Bruce Carlson. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Can-Libre-Office-be-installed-on-an-ext ernal-drive-tp3309620p3318776.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calc corrupted an Excel xlsx file, should I report a bug?
Bruce Carlson wrote: Sending an .xls version and asking the person on the other end to keep the document in that format is a valid point and can be substantiated by the fact that even different versions of MSO have trouble reading each other's version of .xlsx formats. Try swapping an .xlsx document with complex formulae between office 2003 and office 2010. Sometimes it might work. Trying to coerce or force others into using international standards instead of MS standards will have a negative effect in the acceptance of these international standards. For increasing the awareness and take up of LO in business, the best results I've had is by pointing out the extra functionality of LO that can't be provided by MSO, such as the ability to load and modify and re-save .pdf documents. This has been a big selling point in my organisation with around twenty new users this year already. (only 380 users to go) The biggest obstacle I have in promoting LO is younger IT staff who tried Open Office several years ago during their uni days and have been scared off from trying later versions by repeated and continuing MS propaganda. I find the same attitude towards GIMP. Today I had our Helpdesk manager call GIMP unusable rubbish. I asked him what his preferred Microsoft alternative was and when did he last try GIMP. No answer, was the stern reply. :-) (e-letter's use of the $ sign in M$ is quite amusing and to the point.) cheers, Bruce Carlson At0mic wrote If I know I'm going to be working with older versions of Office I will use the 2003 format for things, however the newer version of the format not only produces smaller file sizes but is extractable (2007+ formats are basically .zip files which can be useful at times). In practice I can't comment much on Excel since I haven't used it much myself, but when I was working as IT support for a number of schools we'd sometimes encounter a mix of 2003/2007 installations (the 2003 ones with the compatibility pack for 2007 formats), and no-one complained. I must admit though I've never been aware of the fact you can actually EDIT PDFs in LibreOffice. That's a damn nice feature that I'm sure to remember now, thanks! Maybe it needs to be marketed more that this feature even exists, since there aren't many free alternatives that work quite as well for editing PDFs. As for the GIMP, it's finally managed to replace my pirated version of Photoshop the moment version 2.7.3 was released (the version which now has stable single-window mode). Things are looking up. Bruce Carlson replied Hi At0mic, Not wanting to keep this thread over active but with respect to LO opening and editing and resaving .pdf files, in my job I receive a lot of files in .pdf format. It is my job to make sure these are correct before collating and sending up to senior management. Many times I find I have to open and edit these .pdf's to correct silly mistakes and resave as .pdf before sending to management. Also with LO I can open and merge .pdfs with extreme ease. In fact it has made my job so much easier that I almost feel guilty about it. :-) I now have several staff creating these files in LO impress or writer or calc and converting them to .pdf for transmission. Very clever. Try it. I hope you'll be as impressed as I am. Since the release of LO 3.3.3 my job has become much easier and I have not had one problem opening and editing a .pdf up to now. The LO release notes claimed that LO could do this seamlessly and so far that claim still stands for me. The extractable (.zip) functionality of MSO 2010 is useful but remember LO had this function before MSO and still does and is another valid marketing point in my opinion. One point we must always remember in business is the importance of communication. We should always try to communicate to others in a language and format that the receiver is capable of Oh! and please don't get too upset with folks who have an over passionate view of the world. I know they end up doing themselves more damage than good but hopefully they will eventually learn the error of their ways. :-) Cheers From Bruce. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Calc-corrupted-an-Excel-xlsx-file-shoul d-I-report-a-bug-tp3315926p3321567.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/Postin g guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org
RE: [libreoffice-users] Can Libre Office be installed on an external drive. ?
HI, I agree with Tom. It is difficult to get IT people who have never worked with anything other than MS products to accept that there is a better alternative, especially younger IT staff. Older IT workers have mostly had experience with Unix based operating systems, word processors, spread sheet and drawing / presentation applications long before MS even existed so are aware that better alternatives do exist. However in my organisation I have been successful in getting almost everyone including young IT MS orientated staff to use Firefox as their preferred browser and I now have a small following of execs and senior staff who prefer to use Libre Office because of it's greater functionality and ease of use but because of company policy, must also have MS office installed on their machines. The long term goal is to demonstrate to the senior management the false economy of making everyone install MS office as this is an expense the company can do without. Except for development environments, I personally have only one MS application running on my work machines and that is Outlook. Keep demonstrating the advantages of these alternatives and you will win through in the end. Little by little. Bruce Carlson -Original Message- From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2011 10:14 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Can Libre Office be installed on an external drive. ? Hi :) It might be worth contacting the IT Staff that are going to install the systems and make the point that your work requires using specialist software or something or that you prefer using Firefox because it's safer and faster than Internet Explorer and you feel the same way about Office. It takes a lot of luck to find the right angle but it would be great if you could get Firefox and LibreOffice installed alongside whatever they are told to force you to use. Firefox has built a strong reputation for being low-maintance and popular so the IT guys might be happy to let you install that and then LibreOffice is similar but just not as famous yet. Perhaps other people at work might be happy to join in kicking up a fuss about getting Firefox on their machines too. You might like this article http://www.computerworld.dk/art/118467/ or translated to English ... http://translate.google.com/translate?js=nprev=_thl=daie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1sl=datl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.computerworld.dk%2Fart%2F118467%2F There are other articles on http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_In_The_Press but it's not very comprehensive or up-to-date. There are just tooo many articles out there so it's better to use a search engine if you want to find articles. Regards from Tom :) From: Don Parris parri...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tue, 6 September, 2011 23:23:28 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Can Libre Office be installed on an external drive. ? On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 22:01, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I think you are looking for http://www.libreoffice.org/download/portable/ but it only works on Windows machines. On linux machines you will probably find that LibreOffice is already installed although some have stayed with OpenOffice. You are more likely to be allowed to install LibreOffice directly onto a GnuLinux machine if it doesn't already have it. You do soemtimes find kiosk machines that wont let you install anything but generally multi-user GnuLinux machines have much less need to be locked-down than Windows machines so you should be able to install LibreOffice reasonably easily. Thanks for that, Tom. I actually have a situation in which this is going to be useful. I have been exploring some of the other portable apps as well. My workplace is going to soon roll out new systems, and I understand they are being locked down in terms of what can be installed on them. I have had OOo/LO on my box for several years, and know that they are talking about not allowing other programs to be installed beyond what they specify. While I understand their concerns, I absolutely find working with MS Office to be mostly just awful. OK, Excel is not bad, but Word, well... I just can't take it. Anyway, Portable Apps gives me the ability to use LO without having to install it. There is also the portable VirtuaWin, which lets me have my virtual desktops in their Windows environment. The bottom line? I feel much more at home at work now. :-) -- D.C. Parris, FMP, LEED AP O+M, ESL Certificate Minister, Security/FM Coordinator, Free Software Advocate https://www.xing.com/profile/Don_Parris | http://www.linkedin.com/in/dcparris GPG Key ID: F5E179BE -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http
RE: [libreoffice-users] Can Libre Office be installed on an external drive. ?
-Original Message- From: planas [mailto:jsloz...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2011 2:22 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Can Libre Office be installed on an external drive. ? On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 12:28 +1000, Bruce Carlson wrote: HI, I agree with Tom. It is difficult to get IT people who have never worked with anything other than MS products to accept that there is a better alternative, especially younger IT staff. Older IT workers have mostly had experience with Unix based operating systems, word processors, spread sheet and drawing / presentation applications long before MS even existed so are aware that better alternatives do exist. However in my organisation I have been successful in getting almost everyone including young IT MS orientated staff to use Firefox as their preferred browser and I now have a small following of execs and senior staff who prefer to use Libre Office because of it's greater functionality and ease of use but because of company policy, must also have MS office installed on their machines. The long term goal is to demonstrate to the senior management the false economy of making everyone install MS office as this is an expense the company can do without. Except for development environments, I personally have only one MS application running on my work machines and that is Outlook. Keep demonstrating the advantages of these alternatives and you will win through in the end. Little by little. planas wrote An possible replacement for Outlook might be Thunderbird. From Bruce, Hi Planas, and others, I used to use thunderbird for my personal email client but had some problems and switched to Evolution but I am currently having another look into the new thunderbird and so far I'm excited about what I've seen. I know this is really nothing to do with LO but the two go hand in hand and gaining acceptance of one helps lead to acceptance of the other. All good advice. Thanks, Planas Bruce Carlson -Original Message- From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2011 10:14 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Can Libre Office be installed on an external drive. ? Hi :) It might be worth contacting the IT Staff that are going to install the systems and make the point that your work requires using specialist software or something or that you prefer using Firefox because it's safer and faster than Internet Explorer and you feel the same way about Office. It takes a lot of luck to find the right angle but it would be great if you could get Firefox and LibreOffice installed alongside whatever they are told to force you to use. Firefox has built a strong reputation for being low-maintance and popular so the IT guys might be happy to let you install that and then LibreOffice is similar but just not as famous yet. Perhaps other people at work might be happy to join in kicking up a fuss about getting Firefox on their machines too. You might like this article http://www.computerworld.dk/art/118467/ or translated to English ... http://translate.google.com/translate?js=nprev=_thl=daie=UTF-8layo ut=2eotf=1sl=datl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.computerworld.dk%2Fart%2F11 8467%2F There are other articles on http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_In_The_Press but it's not very comprehensive or up-to-date. There are just tooo many articles out there so it's better to use a search engine if you want to find articles. Regards from Tom :) From: Don Parris parri...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tue, 6 September, 2011 23:23:28 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Can Libre Office be installed on an external drive. ? On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 22:01, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I think you are looking for http://www.libreoffice.org/download/portable/ but it only works on Windows machines. On linux machines you will probably find that LibreOffice is already installed although some have stayed with OpenOffice. You are more likely to be allowed to install LibreOffice directly onto a GnuLinux machine if it doesn't already have it. You do soemtimes find kiosk machines that wont let you install anything but generally multi-user GnuLinux machines have much less need to be locked-down than Windows machines so you should be able to install LibreOffice reasonably easily. Thanks for that, Tom. I actually have a situation in which this is going to be useful. I have been exploring some of the other portable apps as well. My workplace is going to soon roll out new systems, and I understand they are being locked down in terms of what can be installed on them. I have had OOo/LO on my box for several years, and know that they are talking about
RE: [libreoffice-users] [3.4] Cutting section in PDF file?
Hi Tom Thinking outside the square you are correct there are proberbly many apps that could do this along the principle of a snapshot or capture tool. Being a big fan of gimp I will have to try a few ideas that your suggestion provokes. Good advice. Thanks. Cheers, Bruce. -Original Message- From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2011 3:11 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: codecompl...@free.fr Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [3.4] Cutting section in PDF file? Hi :) Other pdf readers are likely to have a snapshot tool. Jpg is lossy but png has lossless compression. I'm not sure how bad PaintShop Pro is. There are a few really awful ones starting with Paint. You might like to try Gimp which has similar tcs to LibreOffice http://www.gimp.org/windows/ Gnu Image Manipulation Program Regards from Tom :) From: Bruce Carlson br...@grahamgroup.com.au To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thu, 30 June, 2011 5:58:17 Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] [3.4] Cutting section in PDF file? Hi Gilles, One thing you could try is to open the pdf using adobe reader and user the snapshot tool to copy a selected area of the pdf and past that into your draw document. I've done this using adobe 9 and it works. But of cause it only works if you have adobe reader. cheers, Bruce. -Original Message- From: Gilles [mailto:codecompl...@free.fr] Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2011 11:21 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] [3.4] Cutting section in PDF file? Hello I need to select and cut a squared-section in a PDF file. After opening the file in Draw with the PDF format, I'm shown the whole document as a big image, but I couldn't find if it's possible to select just one part of the page and cut a section. FWIW, the PDF was built with Xerox WorkCentre 7345 and uses PDF version 1.3 Alternatively, I could save the document as JPG and doctor it in eg. PaintShopPro, but it's lossy. Thank you. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/3-4-Cutting-section-in-PDF-file-tp31215 75p3121575.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] [3.4] Cutting section in PDF file?
Hi Gilles, One thing you could try is to open the pdf using adobe reader and user the snapshot tool to copy a selected area of the pdf and past that into your draw document. I've done this using adobe 9 and it works. But of cause it only works if you have adobe reader. cheers, Bruce. -Original Message- From: Gilles [mailto:codecompl...@free.fr] Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2011 11:21 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] [3.4] Cutting section in PDF file? Hello I need to select and cut a squared-section in a PDF file. After opening the file in Draw with the PDF format, I'm shown the whole document as a big image, but I couldn't find if it's possible to select just one part of the page and cut a section. FWIW, the PDF was built with Xerox WorkCentre 7345 and uses PDF version 1.3 Alternatively, I could save the document as JPG and doctor it in eg. PaintShopPro, but it's lossy. Thank you. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/3-4-Cutting-section-in-PDF-file-tp31215 75p3121575.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] LibO Impress and Audio.... Is XP the culprit?
This discussion on the origins of operating systems and office suites is interesting for exactly the reasons you stated, being that understanding where we came from we can better decide where we can and want to go. It is also interesting that where I work we have just over 400 users spread over five countries in two hemispheres, not a big company but not exactly a small business either. I have been handing out dvd's of libre office (and previously OOo) to many of our senior users, branch managers, office managers etc. to install on their home machines instead of paying for MS office upgrades as most still have older versions on their home machines. They have been taking work home that was created in MS office at work and then working with LO at home and bringing it back to work and back to MSO and after a few initial hick-ups, we are now running smoothly. I found that even though most of our execs have laptops and other portable devices they all still have desktop machines at home that their whole family use. The good news is that now many of these execs are requesting that we install LO or OOo on their work machines. Out of our 400 users, we now have over 150 using either OOo or LO on both their home and office machines. The idea of targeting senior users is obvious. I now have senior support when I try to convince the run-of-the-mill users to try LO or OOo. Once users are fully educated in using LO or OOo they very soon realise the benefits. The most important thing is to give as much support as possible when users first start using these products and not allow frustration to take over. Forums like this are a big help. And as for compatibility, a document created in MSO 2010 and saved in the OOXML format can not be opened by MSO 2002 but can be opened by OOo3.2 and LO so even MSO is not compatible with MSO. Get over it and get LO. Get with the future Cheers, Bruce Carlson -Original Message- From: Wayne Borean [mailto:wbor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2011 7:31 AM To: jlb...@neuroweave.nl Cc: users@libreoffice.org; lsut...@libero.it Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibO Impress and Audio Is XP the culprit? It's rather hilarious actually. Berkeley Softwarks had a better GUI running on the Commodore C64 computer in 1990/91 than Microsoft had on the X86 platform up until they released Windows 98. Yeah, it had limits because of the hardware, but when you consider what they made that hardware do using only a 160K floppy disk... It was completely amazing. Wayne On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Joep L. Blom jlb...@neuroweave.nl wrote: On 20/04/11 17:16, Wayne Borean wrote: I'll disagree with that. Windows didn't open the World. Unix did. Windows just imitated what Unix did, ten years later. Wayne I second that. Moreover, Bill Gates wrenched DOS from a few nerds in, I thought 1981 and sold it to IBM. The only reason IBM went for Bill Gates was the fact that the company who had developed CP/M ( then one of the most versatile OSes implemented on various computers from Osborne to Amstrad and many others) refused IBM exclusivity. Microsoft developed Windows much later - in 1983 if I remember correctly -The Windows GUI was not invented by Microsoft but was originally developed in a XEROX laboratory in I thought Palo Alto. It was first kidnapped by Apple and claimed as their own and later by Microsoft (American lawyers have had field years on the lawsuits by MS against Apple and vice versa. Unix on the other hand came into in existence in 1979 in the Bell Laboratories by Kernigan and Richie (Yes, the ones who also developed C). So only due to not-so-nice marketing tricks most computer-illiterates nowadays think that Microsoft invented all the things that let computers run, but that's completely untrue. Joep -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Unsubscribe
Hello Mark, If you look closely at the instructions at the bottom of this email you will notice that you have left out an s from the unsubscribe email address and that is why your email is not getting through. try this address:- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org The correct address is users+help@ ... not user+help@ Hope this helps, Bruce Carlson -Original Message- From: Mark Wendman [mailto:mw3...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2011 12:55 PM To: users@libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Unsubscribe this was my attempt to unsubscribe, and I have tried repeatedly. Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: user+unsubscr...@libreoffice.org Technical details of permanent failure: Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server returned was: 550 550 5.1.1 user+unsubscr...@libreoffice.org: Recipient address rejected: User unknown (state 14). SOMEONE NEEDS TO FIX THIS. ( my apologiies for the caps but I ihave tried to unsubscribe 10 x with all kinds of permutations, and I still continue to get ridiculous amounts of listmail from LO mail lists. ) Yours Truly, Mark Wendman On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Michelle Konzack linux4miche...@tamay-dogan.net wrote: Hello Alejandro Flores, Am 2011-04-19 16:32:32, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: Hi Everyone! I want to get off of this list. I already sent an e-mail to the following addresses without succes: unsubscr...@libreoffice.org h...@libreoffice.org user+unsubscr...@libreoffice.org user+h...@libreoffice.org user+unsubscribe-dig...@libreoffice.org user+unsubscribe-nom...@libreoffice.org Maybe you should try: users+unsubscr...@libreoffice.org users+h...@libreoffice.org users+unsubscribe-dig...@libreoffice.org users+unsubscribe-nom...@libreoffice.org ^ | Note the s here Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle Konzack Owner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ #328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Mark Wendman mw3...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] question
Yes I can understand how you, thinking that you are younger, feeling like you are mature, and all the time it is your inexperience that is restricting you to see only what is put in front of you and you are unable to use logic to put together all that surrounds you so therefore you, as are many other Y generationalists, (but not all), willing to accept only what you are told and unable to think outside the square you are ordered to live in. To be honest with us and with yourself, if the reason you will not use LO is because you will only use an office suite if has ribbon button menus than you are the exact petty minded person that Microsoft relies on for it's future profits. Bruce Carlson an X gernerationalist. -Original Message- From: Csenger Attila Szabó [mailto:csenge...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 13 April 2011 6:06 PM To: users@libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] question OK, in my case, the only reason why I DON'T use LO is the lack of ribbon. I accept that not everyone likes that, that's why I wrote the idea of an extensions or plugin. So those who like the ribbon would be able to use it. @Bruce: I have to disagree with you, I find the ribbon much faster and easier to use. And I'm not the only one, many of the people around, especially the younger ones find much more useful the ribbon than the dropdown menus. I know that those who get used to the menu-style won't like any other solution, but you are not the only ones. So what about the plugin/extension thing? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] evolution
Yes Wayne, But you know as well as I do that simply following the leader or blindly following someone else's ideas is no substitute for thinking. Otherwise there would be no evolution only extinction. Could you give us readers a quick list of other short term species that never survived past MS. Like office dog for example. Two of my favourite expressions:- 1: It's amazing how the youth of today are so eager to instil upon their elders the benefit of their inexperience. 2: It's sad how the elders of today are so reluctant to entertain the fresh ideas of their children. By the way, my first desktop machine was an old cpm machine and I'm sure it had no numbers but it did have an external 256k RAM drive and two 10 inch floppies. The operating system was compiled by a guy calling himself Micro Pete. my programing path is:- machine code (in industrial switching applications) to assembler to Fortran to C to Cobol to basic to c++ to gw basic to qbasic to vb to visual c++ to dot net basic to c#. Along the way, add sql, aspx, MONO, 4GL, Delphi and a few mainframe scripting languages like REX that I can't remember a thing about. (funny how so many were MS languages. Must have had something to do with industry demands at the time.) Because I'm at work and using MS outlook 2010, I'll send this as soon as I can find where they have hidden the bl#@*y spell checker. And as a student of anthropology, I also liked your evolution theory. :-) Keep up the good work in making people think. Challenging the norm. Bruce Carlson. -Original Message- From: Wayne Borean [mailto:wbor...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 18 April 2011 12:06 PM To: users@libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] question Ah, but the Ribbon menu is important. It's another evolutionary option for the interface. Whether you like it or not is to a certain extent a matter of taste. Quite frankly I hated using a GUI for a long time. It slowed me down too much. It still does slow me down in some ways, a command line is more efficient IF YOU KNOW THE SYSTEM WELL. If you don't, a GUI is easier. And some of it is simply a matter of taste. If you grew up with curry on your food, it won't taste right without it. Wayne On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Bruce Carlson br...@grahamgroup.com.auwrote: Yes I can understand how you, thinking that you are younger, feeling like you are mature, and all the time it is your inexperience that is restricting you to see only what is put in front of you and you are unable to use logic to put together all that surrounds you so therefore you, as are many other Y generationalists, (but not all), willing to accept only what you are told and unable to think outside the square you are ordered to live in. To be honest with us and with yourself, if the reason you will not use LO is because you will only use an office suite if has ribbon button menus than you are the exact petty minded person that Microsoft relies on for it's future profits. Bruce Carlson an X gernerationalist. -Original Message- From: Csenger Attila Szabó [mailto:csenge...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 13 April 2011 6:06 PM To: users@libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] question OK, in my case, the only reason why I DON'T use LO is the lack of ribbon. I accept that not everyone likes that, that's why I wrote the idea of an extensions or plugin. So those who like the ribbon would be able to use it. @Bruce: I have to disagree with you, I find the ribbon much faster and easier to use. And I'm not the only one, many of the people around, especially the younger ones find much more useful the ribbon than the dropdown menus. I know that those who get used to the menu-style won't like any other solution, but you are not the only ones. So what about the plugin/extension thing? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot
RE: [libreoffice-users] question
Oh! I hope not. The reason I no longer use MS Office is because of the silly GUI. Never before have they made anything so difficult to find. The whole thing takes up far too much space at the top of the screen and is NOT intuitive. I could go on and on ... there are a hundred reasons why I don't like it. And that's just the GUI. Leave LO as it is. Bruce Carlson -Original Message- From: Csenger Attila Szabó [mailto:csenge...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 13 April 2011 3:20 AM To: users@libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] question Hy Everyone! I'm new here, don't know how this mailing list works, so sorry in advance for every stupidity from me. I'd like to ask if the libreoffice developers are planning to make a GUI like the one used in Office 2007/2010? I like that style quite much and I find it much more useful than any before. Or because not everyone likes it, it could be an optional GUI, or maybe a plugin or extension. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Has it all except ... #2
Hi Gordon, At work I'm forced to use outlook but at home I use evolution and for my calendar events, when I get calendar invitations in my outlook at work I forward them to my home email address and evolution imports them seamlessly into the evolution calendar. This works very well but I have not tried sending an invitation from evolution to outlook. I might try that and see what happens. But I think you are touching on an area that all office suits including MS have a long way to go in developing industry standards. I guess that while ever Microsoft refuses to talk to the rest of the industry in respect to standards we will always have a situation of there is MS and here is everyone else. As for thunderbird , the best thing there was it's crashing led me to discover evolution which I find to be light years ahead of thunderbird except that the windows version is still in it's infantsy and runs extreemly slow on my old windows xp laptop and as I have no intention of ever using any other version of windows ever again for as long as I live I no longer care about any software for windows. Bring on the alternatives I say. And the more the better. Bruce Carlson Business Systems Manager. 117-153 Rookwood Rd Yagoona NSW 2199 Tel: 02 9707 5277 Fax: 02 9769 1744 email: bruce.carl...@nepeangroup.com -Original Message- From: Gordon Burgess-Parker [mailto:gbpli...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 16 March 2011 11:24 PM To: users@libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Has it all except ... #2 On 16/03/11 07:15, Bruce Carlson wrote: I now use evolution on my linux machines and until evolution for windows improves sufficiently I simply will not use windows for emails at all. Except this smart phone--HTC touch pro 2-- Evolution email imports all calenda and contact info from outlook with no problems. The major problem I found with Evolution is that it won't write tasks to an internet-based calendar. I use icalx.com to automatically synch calendar AND tasks between two machines and Evolution will not write tasks to that calendar. The Lightning extension in Thunderbird will. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
RE: [libreoffice-users] Has it all except ... #2
so sorry about the suits and suites, but sadly, spelling (or proof reading) is not one of my scills :) :) All this discussion came about because of the fact that large organisations such as Microsoft are able to offer a wide range of interrelated applications where as the smaller producers and I include in that the open source developer communities, at best can only offer a small range of products and we have to rely on a number of producers and open source communities to provide the whole gamut of applications we use on a day to day basis. It is simply easier for a large company to offer an all in one package but that does not make their products better than the smaller producer or open source community. In fact it is the later that generally provides the better quality. The answer, I believe, as I said before, is in the open source communities being able to share more and to get more involved with industry standards so that we don't only get a wide variety of providers but also a wide variety of possible combinations of products that should all fit together seamlessly. Maybe I'm the dreamer but all indications to me are that that is the way the future is moving despite the desires and wishes of companies like Oracle and Microsoft. It is definitely better for us the customers. I understand that Mac users are the most neglected when it comes to software choices but that is mostly Apple's fault for tying everything up and limiting the incentive for software development. The answer there is when you have to do your next hardware upgrade move to Linux. There are some very good distributions available now that would make most mac users feel right at home. Bruce Carlson -Original Message- From: Glenn [mailto:glenns...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 17 March 2011 2:37 PM To: users@libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Has it all except ... #2 Bruce, Alas, no evolution support for MAC yet. These days I'm just a home user and I don't count. It saddens me. It saddens me, but not enough to use Win unless I am forced to. I guess evolution is beyond my reach at this time. Glenn P.S. Was the office suits reference just a pun or did you mean office suites? On 3/16/11 7:37 PM, Bruce Carlson wrote: Hi Gordon, But I think you are touching on an area that all office suits including MS have a long way to go in developing industry standards. I guess that while ever Microsoft refuses to talk to the rest of the industry in respect to standards we will always have a situation of there is MS and here is everyone else. As for thunderbird , the best thing there was it's crashing led me to discover evolution which I find to be light years ahead of thunderbird... Bruce Carlson Business Systems Manager -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
