Re: [libreoffice-users] problem in Right-To-Left mode

2011-08-20 Thread Stan Goodman
On Saturday 20 August 2011 14:17:46 Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 I am sorry no-one has been able to help so far.  It might be worth
 usign this guide to post a bug-report
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport
 
 I vaguely remember a similar problem with bullet-points and numbered
 lists but i think this problem is slightly different and needs it's
 own bug-report.  It's not as difficult as we make it sound.  Once
 you have registered then it's a lot like writing an email.
 
 Good luck and regards from
 Tom :)


The OP may find it useful to read the document at 
http://dotancohen.com/howto/rtl_right_to_left.html. It is written with 
an eye to Hebrew, but RTL is RTL, and the discussion, if not the 
displayed examples, applies equally well to Farsi.

That document will shortly be revised and even more instructive. Arham 
is welcome to contact me for further information.



 From: Arham Amouie erham...@yahoo.com
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Thu, 18 August, 2011 13:05:49
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] problem in Right-To-Left mode
 
 Hello
 
 I use LibreOffice Writer 3.3.3 on Ubuntu 11.04. I'm a persian user,
 and the main text is Right-To-Left. When I switch keyboard to
 English and type some english words like a[ or a[3] in this mode,
 they will be displayed as ]a and [a[3! This is not the case when I
 use MS Office in Windows. What can I do? Thanks in advance.
 
 Regards,
 Arham

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Re: [libreoffice-users] unsubscribe

2011-08-16 Thread Stan Goodman
On Tuesday 16 August 2011 12:01:37 Brad Rogers wrote:
 On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 08:58:08 +0300
 Stan Goodman stan.good...@hashkedim.com wrote:
 
 Hello Stan,
 
  Why is it necessary for one of us to hand-massage individual cases?
 
 Because there's a percentage of people that expect everything to be
 done for them.  They're called lazy people.

Given that there are lazy people, and also even many more people who 
simply don't know the drill and don't  know exactly what to scrutinize 
to make sure that they're not missing any bets, the rational way for the 
group to cope with such evidence of the human condition would be to made 
every effort ONCE to minimize the frequency with which it will be 
bothered by the need for individual explanations.

An irrational response might be to dismiss them all as just lazy people 
who need to be taught a lesson, even though teaching this lesson several 
times a week also bothers to a slight degree each and every reader of 
the list, not  to mention the Good Samaritans who send out these 
messages two or three times a week. The aggregate bother over, say, a 
year is not at all trivial, and it is all sooo unnecessary,

  Does it  satisfy a hidden social need to do so?
 
 Why are you accusing those that do assist of having an ulterior
 motive?

If you will read that sentence again, you may notice that it is not an 
accusation, but one in a series of hypothericals, framed as questions, 
meant to display the absence of any logical explanation for the unusual 
way unsubscription is being handled. As you have perceived it as an 
acccusation, it seems to have struck a nerve. For the record however, I 
don't care how you get your jollies; What you do with your surplus time 
is certainly your own business.

I am sure I've said everything I have to say on this subject, several 
times. I don't have any interest in defending my position further. It's 
been educational, which is something, and it's shown me an especially 
comical human foible that I must somehow have missed earlier.

As you were.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] unsubscribe

2011-08-15 Thread Stan Goodman
On Monday 15 August 2011 09:51:03 Brad Rogers wrote:
 On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:32:20 +0300
 Stan Goodman stan.good...@hashkedim.com wrote:
 
 Hello Stan,
 
  It might help, actually, if instead of requiring the hopeful
  escapee to send off an email in order to learn how to send off a
  second emall,
 
 You'd think, wouldn't you.  Trouble is, the perpetrators of such
 unsub faux pas make the gaff because they can't be arsed to read the
 footer at all.  As a result, for them, the content is irrelevant.

That is exactly why they should not be confronted with this superfluous 
step, since there is not reason not to simplify the procedure. You would 
still have errors, but they would be far fewer. Why is that wrong?

The people who are experiencing the problem (or, as you might put it, 
are inflicting the problem on us) are (as has been pointed out) largely 
office type people, who may be having their first exposure to lists and 
how to use them. If you want to just solve the problem of getting them 
unsubscribed, you will have to make it as obvious as possible, which is 
why all other lists, as far as I can remember, have the unsubscribe 
instruction up front, not hidden behind an instruction to get the 
instruction (one might caall that the obstruction).

If you prefer to ignore their naivete, and to continue to confront them 
with this unnecessary barrier, you can have the joy of feeling superior 
to them (which is what you are doing), with all the pleasant buzz that 
this may give you, and have a laugh each and every time there is one of 
these plaints on the list -- and the annoyance will continue.

I do not know who is responsible administration of the list, but my hope 
is that he will wake up one morning, and figure out what the less 
juvenile choice should be.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] unsubscribe

2011-08-15 Thread Stan Goodman
On Tuesday 16 August 2011 02:42:48 Tom Davies wrote:
 We don't really get a LOT of problems.  Perhaps 2 or 3 people in a
 month?  We  all notice and their posts are glaringly obvious but
 usually it's very easy to fix.  One of us just copiespastes the
 guide address from the new footer into the main part of the message.
 
 Note that the footer did change a couple of weeks ago.  It's not
 perfect but it is a bit better imo.  I still largely agree with
 Stan's statement.

Why is it necessary for one of us to hand-massage individual cases? Does 
it  satisfy a hidden social need to do so?

Blogs to which I subscribe generally have a link at the bottom of each 
message saying To unsubscribe, click _here_. No muss, no fuss. Why is 
that inadequate?

In the case of a mailing list, there are two alternatives of 
subscribtion, message by message, or the digest. Suppose that the link 
would open a browser to a page on an LO site, that asks the simple 
question Message by message, or digest. The fellow can check the right 
box, the system sends him the usual confirmation message, and it's over. 
If , instead of two possibilities, there are four or even thirty (as a 
user from some other galaxy noted), then there can be four or thirty 
checkboxes on the web page.

I don't see why this is even an issue to be debated.

If there has been a change of the instruction recently, I have not 
detected it. Since the method is as it was, any change can only have 
been trivial/
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Re: [libreoffice-users] unsubscribe

2011-08-14 Thread Stan Goodman
On Sunday 14 August 2011 21:41:28 Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 Try reading the instructions
 http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
 Hopefully that might help you unsubscribe.  The lists have been
 unusually busy over the last couple of weeks but it might calm down
 a bit.
 
 Regards from
 Tom :)

It might help, actually, if instead of requiring the hopeful escapee to 
send off an email in order to learn how to send off a second emall, the 
footer merely tell the fellow what email he must send in order to leave. 
That is what is done in most lists, it isn't clear why it can't be done.  
here as well. We don't need to punish people for wanting to unsubscribe.

It might be even better to say click here to unsubscribe. Although the 
address is currently given as a link, the link is very easy to overlook, 
especially that (as has been pointed out) many users of this list are 
not technical people, and this may be their first experience with lists 
and leaving them.

Inviting people to email the help system if they have a problem is very 
nice, but it's a separate issue, and bundling the unsubscribe method 
into it only complicates matters for unsubscribing, which is always the 
chief reason for involving the administrative function in the first 
place.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] unsubscribe

2011-08-14 Thread Stan Goodman
On Monday 15 August 2011 00:08:50 toki wrote:
 On 08/14/2011 08:32 PM, Stan Goodman wrote:
  the footer merely tell the fellow what email he must send in order
  to leave.
 
 There are half a dozen different ways an individual can be subscribed
 to this list. Consequently, how to unsubscribe depends upon how the
 individual originally subscribed.

Actually, according to the help file that we are dragging the poor 
fellow through, there are two:

He can be getting messages one by each, or
He can be getting a digest.

Those are the choices he is being offered to unsubscribe, so if there 
are four others, they are being ignored anyway.
 
 I guess each way could be put in the footer, but that would make for
 a footer that was at least twenty lines long, and probably closer to
 thirty.

Not twenty, two. It should not be a lot of trouble for a dedicated 
operative to devise a way to do that.

Or, alternatively, we could continue the current method, which (as far 
as I have seen from the many lists to which I subscribe now or have 
subscribed in the past, is unique, and which produces entirely too many 
requests to the list membership to unsubscribe me. There is nothing 
special about this list that requires a more clumsy unsubscribe method 
than any othe list on the planet.
 
 jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Date Format in Writer

2011-08-11 Thread Stan Goodman
On Thursday 11 August 2011 22:40:04 planas wrote:
 Johnny
 
 On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 12:36 +0200, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
  2011/8/11 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk:
   Hi :)
   Ahhah, great.  I prefer dashes - because after reading too much
   for too long my eyes get a bit muddled when people use / and
   dots still seem to confuse obscure Windows systems sometimes.  I
   was told that the / was the European Standard but if - are used
   in one other country then that helps me argue the case with my
   boss.
  
  I though that ”/” was the US standard… Here (Sweden) we follow the
  ISO8601, except for time. Seems like we use dots instead of colons.
 
 / with mm/dd/ is the normal US standard (sometimes mm.dd.
 because / is mis interpreted in file names). Most Americans who
 have dealt with international trade are comfortable with either US
 or ISO styles and for dates.
 
  Wish we and the rest of the world could just adapt the ISO 8601.
  There is a reason for why it was created… And personally I use it
  all the time. And of course every ”dygn” (sorry, there is no
  English translation for that word – yet…) is 24 hours, so why that
  silly 12 hour thing? If all analogue watches were made 24 hours,
  you could very easily also use it as a compass, at least when you
  can see the sun (if the hour hand point to the sun, then 24, or
  rather 0, will point to north, 6 to east, 12 to south and 18 to
  west). How can it be easier than that?
 
 When I was in elementary school we were taught a 12 hour cycle with
 AM and PM to determine if it was morning or afternoon/evening. The
 US military, I believe, uses the 24 hour clock because 0900 is
 always in the morning while evening equivalent 2100 is always in the
 evening/night, much less likely to be misunderstood.
 
  Regards
  
  Johnny Rosenberg
  ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ
  2011-08-11 12:36:51
  
   Regards from
   Tom :)
   
   
   
   
   
   From: Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com
   To: users@global.libreoffice.org
   Sent: Thu, 11 August, 2011 11:18:39
   Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Date Format in Writer
   
   2011/8/11  rjw...@phonecoop.coop:
   To avoid confusion between the mm.dd. and the dd.mm.
   date formats can
  
  we have the less ambiguous
  
   International
   
   It IS international, it's ISO 8601 (and also Swedish standard,
   lucky me… ;P)! Except that there should be dashes, not dots:
   -mm-dd.
   
   
   Kind regards
   
   Johnny Rosenberg
   ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ
   
   .mm.dd format included as an option (default?) in the fields
   for Writer?
   
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There is a limit to how comfortable such people can be, living in a 
mixed envirenment and trying to juggle mm/dd/ and dd/mm/. I 
wonder how many schedules or appointments have been missed, how much 
money lost, because of misinterpreting 8/11/2011 as a date in November 
rather than one in August, or vice versa.  Not to mention applications 
that know only mm/dd/ although the OS is set for dd/mm/ (as 
here), so that one must analyse every date that is displayed.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office being recommended on Microsoft Answers Forums!

2011-08-11 Thread Stan Goodman
On Friday 12 August 2011 00:22:12 planas wrote:
 On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 20:59 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
  On 11/08/2011 20:43, planas wrote:
   Gordon
   
   On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 20:24 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
   Yes it's true!
   I see this more and more - LO being recommended to people who've
   bought a computer with a Trial version of Office 2010 that's
   expired...
   
   +1
   
   Where is this happening?
  
  here's one thread:
  http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-windows_
  install/have-windows-7-on-computer-try-and-open-a-doc-and/166d698d-
  b3a0-4a56-9dee-1fb0aba2a3a9
  
  By an MVP no less!
 
 Priceless - getting a plug from the enemy's camp.

The logical next step is for somebody to reply to that helpful hint, and 
suggest that the fellow go the whole hog and dump his Win7 altogether.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] mailinglist

2011-08-10 Thread Stan Goodman

On 08/10/2011 10:48 AM, RK wrote:

Werte Damen und Herren,

bitte meine E-Mail Adresse aus der mailinglist streichen.
Danke
Rainer Kretzschmar
Kärrnerweg 25
09350 Lichtenstein

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Re: [libreoffice-users] How can I build only libreoffice-writer instead of whole office suite ?

2011-08-10 Thread Stan Goodman

On 08/10/2011 03:37 PM, Partha Chowdhury wrote:

Hallo all.This is my first post to the list.

I have successfully build libreoffice-3.3.3.1 form source.However, I
need office only to open and edit word documents and nothing else. So I
want only to build the writer part and not the whole office.I have
googled but have not found anything to this effect.The documentation
covers only building from git and not the individual parts. So is it
possible only to build a part of libreoffice instead of whole suite ?


There are not parts of LO, each of which performs one of these 
functions. What appear to be separate programs bundled together are 
simply aspects of a single application. So no, one can't have Writer alone



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Please unsubscribe

2011-08-09 Thread Stan Goodman

On 08/09/2011 10:28 PM, Gail Dawson wrote:

I joined this group and no longer need help.  I am getting about 100
messages per day so I need to unsubcribe.  Please tell me how to do that
if this address is not the correct one.
Gail Dawson

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Please look above, just under your signature, where the first line 
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That is at the bottom of each and every one of the hundred or so 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] There goes Open-Source in the White House

2011-08-07 Thread Stan Goodman

On 08/07/2011 06:05 AM, soumalya ray wrote:

not only US govt;even indian govt organisations forces users to use MS
product.though obviously US is a much bigger cat.
for example,during my post-graduate entrance exam form filling up,the site (
www.aiimsexams.org) told me that only IE is allowed,nothing else.
so i used the useragent changer add-on in firefox and completed the
form
my question is simple-when firefox able to fill up the form with the
add-on,why are they forcing us to use IE?i mailed them but nobody
replied.


It could have been much worse. The designer of the form could just as 
well have used MS-specific coding that would have made it impossible to 
use any browser other than IE, thus insuring that only Windows users 
could be accepted into the post-graduate program while Linus users 
(members of a lower caste) would be excluded. Count your blessings.


The reason nobody replied to you is that they think you are a crank or 
madman.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] There goes Open-Source in the White House

2011-08-06 Thread Stan Goodman

On 08/06/2011 06:25 AM, planas wrote:

On Fri, 2011-08-05 at 20:53 +, toki wrote:


On 08/05/2011 05:57 PM, upscope wrote:


our government is looking for big budget cuts. One would be replace  all the MS 
stuff with open source software.


If the united states government, or the government of the united kingdom
ruled today that effective 1 January 2012, only FLOSS may be used by the
government, and closed source, proprietary software was banned, the
budget savings would, at the earliest, be visible in 2016, and probably
not until 2020, or even 2025. This is simply due to the unbreakable
contracts various software vendors have with those governments.
Contracts that requires the vendors to be paid, regardless of whether or
not the product meets the contract specifications, assuming it is
delivered in the first place.

Long term, FLOSS saves money. Short term, it doesn't save money, and can
be described as costing money.

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Actually changing to another application/OS, etc will require a learning
curve at the beginning. The advantage that FOSS has is the primary cost
to using is the learning curve in most cases. I think often the actual
costs of switching forget if I switched from LO to KOffice I have a
learning curve, I do not know KOffice so I need to learn its quirks to
become proficient. If a purchase is involved it just adds to the cost.


Both the above responses are, of course, correct in pointing out that 
switching to open software would entail costs. But nobody has suggested 
junking all the Windows seats in the US Government and switching to 
FOSS. It would be rational to install FOSS in newly established offices 
instead of Windows, and let the phenomenon expand naturally, while 
getting MS on its toes, with a visible competitor. In any case, making 
the White House a subsidiary of Microsoft doesn't seem to do any good at 
all.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] There goes Open-Source in the White House

2011-08-05 Thread Stan Goodman

On 08/05/2011 02:39 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote:


The new chief information officer for the federal government - White
House Chief of Information Technology - is a former Microsoft Executive
[and assistant to Bill Gates].

Since all these big wigs in Microsoft get large blocks of stock in the
company, which he most likely still has, this new guy in the White House
as a good reason to keep the government using MS products over free and
open source ones.

So I say; there goes the government's push to go open source and start
using packages like LibreOffice.

Well, MS tries to control the world's computers, and now they have a man
in the White House to control the government's computer system and other
technology to MS's favor.


The problem is not with the Chief Information Officer, buy with the 
Chief Community Organizer that appointed him knowing that the CIO is a 
MS shill, and with those who elected a know-it-all know-nothing to move 
into the White House.



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Re: all good, different languages are good to see :) Re: [libreoffice-users] Sorry, wrong mailing list (was: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc, InString einer Zelle prüfen)

2011-05-11 Thread Stan Goodman
On Wednesday 11 May 2011 at 18:22:11 (GMT+2) Tom Davies 
tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hi :)
 
 No worries!  I think it helps us to see that LibreOffice and TDF is
 an international community.  I would like to see a few posts in pure
 Brazilian and other languages occasionally just to remind us who we
 are.
 
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org
 To: users@libreoffice.org
 Sent: Wed, 11 May, 2011 11:24:17
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Sorry, wrong mailing list (was:
 [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc, InString einer
 Zelle prüfen)
 
 Sorry, somehow this thread in German, lost its way and happened to
 hit the english list...
 
 I only realized that after having answered.
 
 Stefan
 
 Am 11.05.2011 12:19, schrieb Stefan Weigel:
  Hallo,
  
  Am 11.05.2011 11:16, schrieb Regina Henschel:
  Ich suche eine Formel, die in der Spalte Ergebnis z.B. anzeigt:
  wenn Stelle 4 der Bankleitzahl = 4, dann Ergebnis = Commerzbank
  wenn Stelle 4 der Bankleitzahl = 7, dann Ergebnis = Deutsche Bank
  wenn Stelle 4 der Bankleitzahl = 5, dann Ergebnis = Sparkasse
  
  Du benötigst die Funktion TEIL um an die vierte (bzw. fünfte wenn
  Leerzeichen im Original enthalten sind) Stelle zu gelangen und die
  Funktion WAHL um der Ziffer einen Text zuzuordnen.
  Beispielsweise
  =WAHL(TEIL(A1;5;1)Commerzbank;Sparkasse;;Deutsche
  Bank)
  
  Je nach Umfang der Liste der Banken und je nach persönlichem
  Bedürfnis nach Übersichtlichkeit in den Formeln könnte man auch
  darüber nachdenken, die Liste der Banken in einem extra dafür
  gewidmeten Zellbereich zu führen und dann mit der Funktion INDEX
  oder der Funktion SVERWEIS den Namen der Bank heraus zu lesen.
  
  Gruß
  
  Stefan

לעוניות דעת זאת תהיה טעות, במיוחד כאשר המדובר בצרפתית או גרמנית, כי 
קיימים פורומים המוקדשים לשפות הללו. מוטב לנהל את הפורום הזה אך ורק 
באנגלית, כי היא השפה הכי מקובל על הרוב.

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Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Un-subscribe

2011-04-29 Thread Stan Goodman
On Friday 29 April 2011 at 22:09:26 (GMT+2) t...@iafrica.com wrote:

 This forum is pathetic.
 
 15% of emails are related to un-subscribe issues. I do not need my
 mail box clogged up with such kuk.
 
 If un-subscribe doesn't work then what chance is there that bugs in
 Impress will ever get sorted.
 
 Powerpoint 2003 all is forgiven. I only have to convert MP3 back to
 wav...
 
 Thanks to email filtering 95% of all forum panty wetting goes into
 the trash bin.
 
 The remaining 5% is sometimes interesting (thanks Tom).
 
 Journos should be banned or shut up.
 
 An MS licence payer

Different strokes for different folks.

All you had to do to solve this problem for yourself was to make a 
filter for your mail client to delete any message from this list 
containing the string unsubscribe. If you are lonesome or homesick for 
the warm embrace of Mama Microsoft, that's also a solution, but 
flaunting the neurosis in public does you very little credit.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Outline View in Writer

2011-04-25 Thread Stan Goodman
On Monday 25 April 2011 at 18:01:27 (GMT+2) CaStarCo 
casta...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm not an experienced user of Microsoft Office Word... so, what's
 the Outline view, can you refer us to a screenshoot or
 explanation?

Here is google's answer to microsoft office outline view 
(incidently, the very first hit of 143,000).
 
 2011/4/25 Hedva jvanrhee...@gmail.com
 
  I'm a happy user of LibreOffice, but...
  
  Is there any Outline View option as in Microsoft Office Word?
  (with the easy drag and drop function etc?)
  
  Greetings,
  
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