Re: [OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
Hi :) new and improved is hopefully a duplication rather than a contradiction! lol. Not always true, of course. English (US) does tend to use different prepositions under English (GB). Out advertising people also seems to just muddle them down to try to reinforce their message. Council estate kids and common usage also messes things into. Regards from Tom :) From: Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 2:46 Subject: Re: [OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax At 21:06 16/07/2013 -0400, Mark LaPierre wrote: As long as we are going to entertain off topic, how about this. [One] common figure of speech in English is the use of Try and where the meaning is Try to. I.E. I'm going to try and drive my car backwards for three miles. When I see it, or hear it, I wonder, Are they going to try the car, or are they going to drive the car? Make up my mind! I have to say I also prefer try to to try and, but Henry Fowler says of the figure of speech given the classy Greek name hendiadys (or one-through-two): ... 'nice and warm', 'try and do better', 'grace and favour', instead of 'nicely warm', 'try to do better', 'gracious favour' are true examples. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendiadys . Advertisers use it when they claim their product is new and improved (which is a contradiction), meaning newly improved. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
Hi :) +1 to all that, especially the Once you are up to date, I'm sure they'd appreciate any help you can offer.. Plus, making yourself familiar with HsqlDb 1.8 is a good plan anyway. HsqlDb is java based but it's small and fast so as an external back-end it's good for most uses. My workplace is considering buying a specialist database that uses Firebird as a back-end so i kinda hope Base goes that way too. Unfortunately they have left the final purchase decision up to someone outside the organisation that is fairly clueless about compatibility and the alternative back-end is Access. Regards from Tom :) From: V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 0:55 Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax Mark, Hey why should you care that it is off topic, no one else seems to understand the concept ;-) So, regards movement toward a non-Java JRE dependent default SQL DB for integration with the Base component. Several Bugzilla items worth reviewing: considering and rejecting SQLite as replacement https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38811 find a replacement for HSQLDB v1.8 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51781 considering an update to HSQLDB v2.x https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44854 move default to FireBird not HSQLDB in Base -- this is the current development effort https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51780 Finally, here is the Wiki based project coordination for implementing FirebirdSQL https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Base/FirebirdSQL Once you are up to date, I'm sure they'd appreciate any help you can offer. Stuart From: Mark LaPierre [marklap...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax Well actually, I was going to ask what might replace HSQLDB but I thought it might be a bit too far off topic. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
and what about 'genuine imitation' ;-) Yes, I'm ashamed to admit that the USofA probably is the worse for producing slang ;-) and bad grammar - as Professor Higgins [My Fair Lady] said, 'and in America, they haven't used it for years' ;-) From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Date: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Hi :) new and improved is hopefully a duplication rather than a contradiction! lol. Not always true, of course. English (US) does tend to use different prepositions under English (GB). Out advertising people also seems to just muddle them down to try to reinforce their message. Council estate kids and common usage also messes things into. Regards from Tom :) From: Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 2:46 Subject: Re: [OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax At 21:06 16/07/2013 -0400, Mark LaPierre wrote: As long as we are going to entertain off topic, how about this. [One] common figure of speech in English is the use of Try and where the meaning is Try to. I.E. I'm going to try and drive my car backwards for three miles. When I see it, or hear it, I wonder, Are they going to try the car, or are they going to drive the car? Make up my mind! I have to say I also prefer try to to try and, but Henry Fowler says of the figure of speech given the classy Greek name hendiadys (or one-through-two): ... 'nice and warm', 'try and do better', 'grace and favour', instead of 'nicely warm', 'try to do better', 'gracious favour' are true examples. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendiadys . Advertisers use it when they claim their product is new and improved (which is a contradiction), meaning newly improved. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
Access is no back end. As a front end it's fairly adaptable as long as the total file size does not exceed 2 Gb. That 2 Gb limit pretty much rules it out as a back end for anything but very light weight databases. On 07/17/2013 06:37 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) +1 to all that, especially the Once you are up to date, I'm sure they'd appreciate any help you can offer.. Plus, making yourself familiar with HsqlDb 1.8 is a good plan anyway. HsqlDb is java based but it's small and fast so as an external back-end it's good for most uses. My workplace is considering buying a specialist database that uses Firebird as a back-end so i kinda hope Base goes that way too. Unfortunately they have left the final purchase decision up to someone outside the organisation that is fairly clueless about compatibility and the alternative back-end is Access. Regards from Tom :) From: V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 0:55 Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax Mark, Hey why should you care that it is off topic, no one else seems to understand the concept ;-) So, regards movement toward a non-Java JRE dependent default SQL DB for integration with the Base component. Several Bugzilla items worth reviewing: considering and rejecting SQLite as replacement https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38811 find a replacement for HSQLDB v1.8 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51781 considering an update to HSQLDB v2.x https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44854 move default to FireBird not HSQLDB in Base -- this is the current development effort https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51780 Finally, here is the Wiki based project coordination for implementing FirebirdSQL https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Base/FirebirdSQL Once you are up to date, I'm sure they'd appreciate any help you can offer. Stuart From: Mark LaPierre [marklap...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax Well actually, I was going to ask what might replace HSQLDB but I thought it might be a bit too far off topic. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
Hi :) http://www.lasa.org.uk/aims/choosing-the-right-package/ Just under the bullet-points it claims You can purchase AIMS Core which allows up to 15 concurrent users. This version of AIMS is available in either Access or SQL versions. So it's a bit unclear whether the Access version is using the normal jet-engine or Microsoft SQL Server as it's back-end. Either way i think there is a potential problem at being able to run their front-end, or use another front-end, on non-MS platforms such as Android tablets, Macs, iPads. I suspect the Firebird back-end is more likely to be faster and more compatible with more platforms. Regards from Tom :) From: Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 23:30 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax Access is no back end. As a front end it's fairly adaptable as long as the total file size does not exceed 2 Gb. That 2 Gb limit pretty much rules it out as a back end for anything but very light weight databases. On 07/17/2013 06:37 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) +1 to all that, especially the Once you are up to date, I'm sure they'd appreciate any help you can offer.. Plus, making yourself familiar with HsqlDb 1.8 is a good plan anyway. HsqlDb is java based but it's small and fast so as an external back-end it's good for most uses. My workplace is considering buying a specialist database that uses Firebird as a back-end so i kinda hope Base goes that way too. Unfortunately they have left the final purchase decision up to someone outside the organisation that is fairly clueless about compatibility and the alternative back-end is Access. Regards from Tom :) From: V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 0:55 Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax Mark, Hey why should you care that it is off topic, no one else seems to understand the concept ;-) So, regards movement toward a non-Java JRE dependent default SQL DB for integration with the Base component. Several Bugzilla items worth reviewing: considering and rejecting SQLite as replacement https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38811 find a replacement for HSQLDB v1.8 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51781 considering an update to HSQLDB v2.x https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44854 move default to FireBird not HSQLDB in Base -- this is the current development effort https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51780 Finally, here is the Wiki based project coordination for implementing FirebirdSQL https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Base/FirebirdSQL Once you are up to date, I'm sure they'd appreciate any help you can offer. Stuart From: Mark LaPierre [marklap...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax Well actually, I was going to ask what might replace HSQLDB but I thought it might be a bit too far off topic. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013, Doug wrote: On 7/15/2013 12:25 PM, Felmon Davis wrote: On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, anne-ology wrote: And just what is HSLQLDB ;-) This is not an acronym. It can't be pronounced as a word. (See dictionary definition in URL below.) the definition says: - : a word (as NATO, radar, or laser) formed from the initial letter or letters of each of the successive parts or major parts of a compound term; also : an abbreviation (as FBI) formed from initial letters : initialism - I'm missing the part about being pronounced as a word. oh, memorizing acronyms seems to me a mighty complicated way to organize one's thoughts ... wouldn't it be simpler - easier - to just state the object(s) rather than leaving the listener trying to interpret what's being meant by what's being said ;-) see - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/acronym AND - did you happen to notice in that URL, this phenomenon only started in 1943 ;-) do you know SPQR? or INRI? or Q.E.D.? None of these are acronyms either. Senatus PupulusQue Romanus: did you know that the Roman street catchbasins and manhole covers are marked SPQR? Yes, today. interesting; never been to Rome, sorry to say. Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum I just read today that according to one author, this was supposed to be a description of his 'crime', viz. insurrection against Roman authority. anyway, off topic; my apologies. F. Quod Erat Demonstrandum --doug -- Felmon Davis What a strange game. The only winning move is not to play. -- WOP, War Games -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax (OT)
On 7/16/2013 2:02 AM, Felmon Davis wrote: Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum I just read today that according to one author, this was supposed to be a description of his 'crime', viz. insurrection against Roman authority. anyway, off topic; my apologies. F. The translation, of course, is, Jesus the Nazarene King of the Jews and if he was truly King of the Jews, it could be argued that this was insurrection against Roman authority, but Biblically, it would seem that this is what the Jews accused him of stating, since they complained to Pilate that the sign should read, He _said_ he was King of the Jews. And Pilate replied, What I have written, I have written. BTW, the first Latin Senatus PopulusQue Romanus had Populus misspelled. Sorry about that. --doug -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax (OT)
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, Doug wrote: On 7/16/2013 2:02 AM, Felmon Davis wrote: Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum I just read today that according to one author, this was supposed to be a description of his 'crime', viz. insurrection against Roman authority. anyway, off topic; my apologies. F. The translation, of course, is, Jesus the Nazarene King of the Jews and if he was truly King of the Jews, it could be argued that this was insurrection against Roman authority, but Biblically, it would seem that this is what the Jews accused him of stating, since they complained to Pilate that the sign should read, He _said_ he was King of the Jews. And Pilate replied, What I have written, I have written. sure, Pilate executed him for insurrection. but I messed up my main point which was, I didn't realize they actually hanged a sign on the cross naming the offense. I thought it was some later-day artist's fancy. BTW, the first Latin Senatus PopulusQue Romanus had Populus misspelled. Sorry about that. yeah, I know but I've played enough Latin on the list for now; I did look up 'pupulus' though and it's funny: means 'little boy' or a 'puppet'. may be more truth in that! F. -- Felmon Davis Let patience grow in your garden always. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
acronyms ... acronyms ... acronyms ... ;-) :-( ;-) :-( ;-) :-( Yet thank you for this explanation. From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Date: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax To: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com, Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com Cc: Mail List LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org Hi :) My guess is that he meant H Sql Db SQL = the standard language used by most database programs. Most add a little bit (few extra commands and stuff) to the basic language to help ensure that people can't easily switch to another program even though they all ostensibly use Sql. Db = Database H is the only bit that distinguishes exactly which program is being talked about. Note that other programs also use Sql or Db in their name. For example MySql/MariaDb, Postgresql. Only Access doesn't have any of that in it's name. Of course MS make many claims that Access does use Sql but it's such a heavily tweaked version of Sql that it's almost unrecognisable. If you learn Access then you need to forgetre-learn if you want to switch to anything else. The others tend to just have a few differences so it's not so tough to move between them. At least, so i have heard. Regards from Tom :) -- *From:* anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com *To:* Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com *Cc:* Mail List LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Monday, 15 July 2013, 16:38 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax And just what is HSLQLDB ;-) oh, memorizing acronyms seems to me a mighty complicated way to organize one's thoughts ... wouldn't it be simpler - easier - to just state the object(s) rather than leaving the listener trying to interpret what's being meant by what's being said ;-) see - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/acronym AND - did you happen to notice in that URL, this phenomenon only started in 1943 ;-) before then communication was simply speaking to be understood ;-) BTW - many of these acronyms are duplicated - which causes even more confusion to the listener ;-) On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com wrote: On 07/13/2013 05:36 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: HSLQLDB is a bit picky about the syntax Does anyone know where I can find a good reference on HSLQLDB syntax? -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
Thanks :-) Now ... I thought Java was an out-dated thing - which no one used anymore and that should be dis-connected from action ;-) So it's come back with a convoluted acronym and websites hither 'n yon ;-) ;-) ;-) I guess I'll always remain behind in this electronic world ... maze ;-) From: V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu Date: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax To: Mail List LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org STOP! Anne, glad you're back but seriously? HSQLDB is the short title and Web address for HyperSQL, the Java language based SQL relational database that StarOffice then Sun chose as the imbedded database for the project. Currently we include the 1.8 release, and efforts will either see that ripped out of LibreOffice to be replaced, or the version of HSQLDB will be upgraded to a current 2.3 release. Mark, et al., all the details you could ever want are on the project webpage at hsqldb.org, just mind the version differences. Stuart From: Tom Davies [tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 11:15 AM To: anne-ology; Mark LaPierre Cc: Mail List LibreOffice Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax Hi :) My guess is that he meant H Sql Db SQL = the standard language used by most database programs. Most add a little bit (few extra commands and stuff) to the basic language to help ensure that people can't easily switch to another program even though they all ostensibly use Sql. Db = Database H is the only bit that distinguishes exactly which program is being talked about. Note that other programs also use Sql or Db in their name. For example MySql/MariaDb, Postgresql. Only Access doesn't have any of that in it's name. Of course MS make many claims that Access does use Sql but it's such a heavily tweaked version of Sql that it's almost unrecognisable. If you learn Access then you need to forgetre-learn if you want to switch to anything else. The others tend to just have a few differences so it's not so tough to move between them. At least, so i have heard. Regards from Tom :) From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com To: Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com Cc: Mail List LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 15 July 2013, 16:38 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax And just what is HSLQLDB ;-) oh, memorizing acronyms seems to me a mighty complicated way to organize one's thoughts ... wouldn't it be simpler - easier - to just state the object(s) rather than leaving the listener trying to interpret what's being meant by what's being said ;-) see - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/acronym AND - did you happen to notice in that URL, this phenomenon only started in 1943 ;-) before then communication was simply speaking to be understood ;-) BTW - many of these acronyms are duplicated - which causes even more confusion to the listener ;-) On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com wrote: On 07/13/2013 05:36 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: HSLQLDB is a bit picky about the syntax Does anyone know where I can find a good reference on HSLQLDB syntax? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
Ah, Latin ... yes, I remember it ... a language which should again be taught to students; then maybe these slang terms, these acronyms, these non-words, ... ... ... would cease to exist, huh? ;-) BTW - is there a word for a string of non-pronounceable letters which ... ah, maybe it's the same word used for those 2 lines between the nose upper lip, huh? ;-) From: Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net Date: Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax To: users@global.libreoffice.org On 7/15/2013 12:25 PM, Felmon Davis wrote: On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, anne-ology wrote: And just what is HSLQLDB ;-) This is not an acronym. It can't be pronounced as a word. (See dictionary definition in URL below.) oh, memorizing acronyms seems to me a mighty complicated way to organize one's thoughts ... wouldn't it be simpler - easier - to just state the object(s) rather than leaving the listener trying to interpret what's being meant by what's being said ;-) see - http://www.merriam-webster.**com/dictionary/acronymhttp://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/acronym AND - did you happen to notice in that URL, this phenomenon only started in 1943 ;-) do you know SPQR? or INRI? or Q.E.D.? None of these are acronyms either. Senatus PupulusQue Romanus: did you know that the Roman street catchbasins and manhole covers are marked SPQR? Yes, today. Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum Quod Erat Demonstrandum --doug -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
At 02:02 16/07/2013 -0400, Felmon Davis wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013, Doug wrote: This is not an acronym. It can't be pronounced as a word. (See dictionary definition in URL below.) the definition says: - : a word (as NATO, radar, or laser) formed from the initial letter or letters of each of the successive parts or major parts of a compound term; [...] - I'm missing the part about being pronounced as a word. May I help? I think I can. It's right there in the second word of the definition: it says it's a *word*, so it'll be pronounced as, er, a word! Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, Brian Barker wrote: At 02:02 16/07/2013 -0400, Felmon Davis wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013, Doug wrote: This is not an acronym. It can't be pronounced as a word. (See dictionary definition in URL below.) the definition says: - : a word (as NATO, radar, or laser) formed from the initial letter or letters of each of the successive parts or major parts of a compound term; [...] - I'm missing the part about being pronounced as a word. May I help? I think I can. It's right there in the second word of the definition: it says it's a *word*, so it'll be pronounced as, er, a word! ah, now I see where that comes from! deviates from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronym which counts the following formations as acronyms: BBC: British Broadcasting Corporation OEM: Original Equipment Manufacturer USA: The United States of America FGM: Female Genital Mutilation or maybe it doesn't deviate after all since they can also be pronounced as words (any string of initials can). I'm going to let Anne-ology make the call. F. -- Felmon Davis Get on the bandwagon quickly or end up with the broom. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
On 07/15/2013 11:44 AM, V Stuart Foote: STOP! Anne, glad you're back but seriously? HSQLDB is the short title and Web address for HyperSQL, the Java language based SQL relational database that StarOffice then Sun chose as the imbedded database for the project. Currently we include the 1.8 release, and efforts will either see that ripped out of LibreOffice to be replaced, or the version of HSQLDB will be upgraded to a current 2.3 release. Mark, et al., all the details you could ever want are on the project webpage at hsqldb.org, just mind the version differences. Stuart Hey Stuart, Thanks for the tip on the version. I was not aware of that small fact. I was starting to read the 2.3 documentation. -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
Hi :) I think it's a heavily tweaked 1.8 so not everything will work the way it's meant to. Still, it would be great to have some idea of where LO's version is different from the upstream original. Hmm, or perhaps just waitsee what goes into LO to replace it. Regards from Tom :) From: Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013, 23:22 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax On 07/15/2013 11:44 AM, V Stuart Foote: STOP! Anne, glad you're back but seriously? HSQLDB is the short title and Web address for HyperSQL, the Java language based SQL relational database that StarOffice then Sun chose as the imbedded database for the project. Currently we include the 1.8 release, and efforts will either see that ripped out of LibreOffice to be replaced, or the version of HSQLDB will be upgraded to a current 2.3 release. Mark, et al., all the details you could ever want are on the project webpage at hsqldb.org, just mind the version differences. Stuart Hey Stuart, Thanks for the tip on the version. I was not aware of that small fact. I was starting to read the 2.3 documentation. -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
Well actually, I was going to ask what might replace HSQLDB but I thought it might be a bit too far off topic. On 07/16/2013 07:04 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I think it's a heavily tweaked 1.8 so not everything will work the way it's meant to. Still, it would be great to have some idea of where LO's version is different from the upstream original. Hmm, or perhaps just waitsee what goes into LO to replace it. Regards from Tom :) *From:* Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 16 July 2013, 23:22 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax On 07/15/2013 11:44 AM, V Stuart Foote: STOP! Anne, glad you're back but seriously? HSQLDB is the short title and Web address for HyperSQL, the Java language based SQL relational database that StarOffice then Sun chose as the imbedded database for the project. Currently we include the 1.8 release, and efforts will either see that ripped out of LibreOffice to be replaced, or the version of HSQLDB will be upgraded to a current 2.3 release. Mark, et al., all the details you could ever want are on the project webpage at hsqldb.org, just mind the version differences. Stuart Hey Stuart, Thanks for the tip on the version. I was not aware of that small fact. I was starting to read the 2.3 documentation. -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
Mark, Hey why should you care that it is off topic, no one else seems to understand the concept ;-) So, regards movement toward a non-Java JRE dependent default SQL DB for integration with the Base component. Several Bugzilla items worth reviewing: considering and rejecting SQLite as replacement https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38811 find a replacement for HSQLDB v1.8 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51781 considering an update to HSQLDB v2.x https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44854 move default to FireBird not HSQLDB in Base -- this is the current development effort https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51780 Finally, here is the Wiki based project coordination for implementing FirebirdSQL https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Base/FirebirdSQL Once you are up to date, I'm sure they'd appreciate any help you can offer. Stuart From: Mark LaPierre [marklap...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax Well actually, I was going to ask what might replace HSQLDB but I thought it might be a bit too far off topic. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
Hi :) Off-topic is relative. Luckily not one of my relatives! This thread has been all the way to ancient Rome. Sorry if my grammer is a bit off. She still hasn't recovered from lunch. Regards from Tom :) From: Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013, 0:13 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax Well actually, I was going to ask what might replace HSQLDB but I thought it might be a bit too far off topic. On 07/16/2013 07:04 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I think it's a heavily tweaked 1.8 so not everything will work the way it's meant to. Still, it would be great to have some idea of where LO's version is different from the upstream original. Hmm, or perhaps just waitsee what goes into LO to replace it. Regards from Tom :) *From:* Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 16 July 2013, 23:22 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax On 07/15/2013 11:44 AM, V Stuart Foote: STOP! Anne, glad you're back but seriously? HSQLDB is the short title and Web address for HyperSQL, the Java language based SQL relational database that StarOffice then Sun chose as the imbedded database for the project. Currently we include the 1.8 release, and efforts will either see that ripped out of LibreOffice to be replaced, or the version of HSQLDB will be upgraded to a current 2.3 release. Mark, et al., all the details you could ever want are on the project webpage at hsqldb.org, just mind the version differences. Stuart Hey Stuart, Thanks for the tip on the version. I was not aware of that small fact. I was starting to read the 2.3 documentation. -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
The base of the misunderstanding is the shift in meaning of the word acronym over the last few decades. It used to mean an abbreviation which formed a word- such as radar. Now it seems to be used more for an abbreviation which is more familiar than the original terms. e.g. most people know the BBC or the Beeb but fewer know it stands for British Broadcasting Corporation. In my experience bureaucracies spawn all kinds of meaningless terms which then get abbreviated-- these abbreviations become known as acronyms because everyone knows what the FHSAP does but nobody knows what the abbreviation stands for. (I just made that abbreviation up- there probably is one somewhere in your local, state or regional bureaucracy). It's similar with the word electrocution which everyone over 50 knows is a fatal electric shock. Everyone under 50 seems to use it as an alternative to electric shock which leads to interesting phrases such as electrocuted to death and I've been electrocuted three times. Life would be much simpler if they let the pedants run everything. Keith On 17/07/13 06:15, Felmon Davis wrote: On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, Brian Barker wrote: At 02:02 16/07/2013 -0400, Felmon Davis wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013, Doug wrote: This is not an acronym. It can't be pronounced as a word. (See dictionary definition in URL below.) the definition says: - : a word (as NATO, radar, or laser) formed from the initial letter or letters of each of the successive parts or major parts of a compound term; [...] - I'm missing the part about being pronounced as a word. May I help? I think I can. It's right there in the second word of the definition: it says it's a *word*, so it'll be pronounced as, er, a word! ah, now I see where that comes from! deviates from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronym which counts the following formations as acronyms: BBC: British Broadcasting Corporation OEM: Original Equipment Manufacturer USA: The United States of America FGM: Female Genital Mutilation or maybe it doesn't deviate after all since they can also be pronounced as words (any string of initials can). I'm going to let Anne-ology make the call. F. -- God bless you Keith Bates 4 Mooloobar St Narrabri NSW Ph 02 67924890 Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
At 16:15 16/07/2013 -0400, Felmon Davis wrote: On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, Brian Barker wrote: At 02:02 16/07/2013 -0400, Felmon Davis wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013, Doug wrote: This is not an acronym. It can't be pronounced as a word. (See dictionary definition in URL below.) the definition says: - : a word (as NATO, radar, or laser) formed from the initial letter or letters of each of the successive parts or major parts of a compound term; [...] - I'm missing the part about being pronounced as a word. May I help? I think I can. It's right there in the second word of the definition: it says it's a *word*, so it'll be pronounced as, er, a word! ah, now I see where that comes from! deviates from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronym which counts the following formations as acronyms: BBC: British Broadcasting Corporation OEM: Original Equipment Manufacturer USA: The United States of America FGM: Female Genital Mutilation or maybe it doesn't deviate after all since they can also be pronounced as words (any string of initials can). Oh no: they are indeed examples of initialisms that are not pronounced as words, so are not what I call acronyms. But to be fair to Wikipedia, it does explain the distinction further up, but then says it will not follow it in the rest of the article: Although the term _acronym_ is widely used to refer to any abbreviation formed from initial letters, some dictionaries define _acronym_ to mean a word in its original sense, while some others include additional senses attributing to _acronym_ the same meaning as that of _initialism_. The distinction, when made, hinges on whether the abbreviation is pronounced as a word, or as a string of letters. In such cases, examples found in dictionaries include _NATO_, _scuba_, and _radar_ for acronyms, and _FBI_ and _HTML_ for initialisms. In the rest of this article, this distinction is not made. I'm going to let Anne-ology make the call. Oh, we are all entitled to speak and write as we wish, of course. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
At 21:06 16/07/2013 -0400, Mark LaPierre wrote: As long as we are going to entertain off topic, how about this. [One] common figure of speech in English is the use of Try and where the meaning is Try to. I.E. I'm going to try and drive my car backwards for three miles. When I see it, or hear it, I wonder, Are they going to try the car, or are they going to drive the car? Make up my mind! I have to say I also prefer try to to try and, but Henry Fowler says of the figure of speech given the classy Greek name hendiadys (or one-through-two): ... 'nice and warm', 'try and do better', 'grace and favour', instead of 'nicely warm', 'try to do better', 'gracious favour' are true examples. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendiadys . Advertisers use it when they claim their product is new and improved (which is a contradiction), meaning newly improved. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
And just what is HSLQLDB ;-) oh, memorizing acronyms seems to me a mighty complicated way to organize one's thoughts ... wouldn't it be simpler - easier - to just state the object(s) rather than leaving the listener trying to interpret what's being meant by what's being said ;-) see - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/acronym AND - did you happen to notice in that URL, this phenomenon only started in 1943 ;-) before then communication was simply speaking to be understood ;-) BTW - many of these acronyms are duplicated - which causes even more confusion to the listener ;-) On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com wrote: On 07/13/2013 05:36 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: HSLQLDB is a bit picky about the syntax Does anyone know where I can find a good reference on HSLQLDB syntax? -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
Hi :) My guess is that he meant H Sql Db SQL = the standard language used by most database programs. Most add a little bit (few extra commands and stuff) to the basic language to help ensure that people can't easily switch to another program even though they all ostensibly use Sql. Db = Database H is the only bit that distinguishes exactly which program is being talked about. Note that other programs also use Sql or Db in their name. For example MySql/MariaDb, Postgresql. Only Access doesn't have any of that in it's name. Of course MS make many claims that Access does use Sql but it's such a heavily tweaked version of Sql that it's almost unrecognisable. If you learn Access then you need to forgetre-learn if you want to switch to anything else. The others tend to just have a few differences so it's not so tough to move between them. At least, so i have heard. Regards from Tom :) From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com To: Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com Cc: Mail List LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 15 July 2013, 16:38 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax And just what is HSLQLDB ;-) oh, memorizing acronyms seems to me a mighty complicated way to organize one's thoughts ... wouldn't it be simpler - easier - to just state the object(s) rather than leaving the listener trying to interpret what's being meant by what's being said ;-) see - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/acronym AND - did you happen to notice in that URL, this phenomenon only started in 1943 ;-) before then communication was simply speaking to be understood ;-) BTW - many of these acronyms are duplicated - which causes even more confusion to the listener ;-) On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com wrote: On 07/13/2013 05:36 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: HSLQLDB is a bit picky about the syntax Does anyone know where I can find a good reference on HSLQLDB syntax? -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, anne-ology wrote: And just what is HSLQLDB ;-) oh, memorizing acronyms seems to me a mighty complicated way to organize one's thoughts ... wouldn't it be simpler - easier - to just state the object(s) rather than leaving the listener trying to interpret what's being meant by what's being said ;-) see - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/acronym AND - did you happen to notice in that URL, this phenomenon only started in 1943 ;-) do you know SPQR? or INRI? or Q.E.D.? before then communication was simply speaking to be understood ;-) BTW - many of these acronyms are duplicated - which causes even more confusion to the listener ;-) On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com wrote: On 07/13/2013 05:36 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: HSLQLDB is a bit picky about the syntax Does anyone know where I can find a good reference on HSLQLDB syntax? -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- Felmon Davis -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
STOP! Anne, glad you're back but seriously? HSQLDB is the short title and Web address for HyperSQL, the Java language based SQL relational database that StarOffice then Sun chose as the imbedded database for the project. Currently we include the 1.8 release, and efforts will either see that ripped out of LibreOffice to be replaced, or the version of HSQLDB will be upgraded to a current 2.3 release. Mark, et al., all the details you could ever want are on the project webpage at hsqldb.org, just mind the version differences. Stuart From: Tom Davies [tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 11:15 AM To: anne-ology; Mark LaPierre Cc: Mail List LibreOffice Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax Hi :) My guess is that he meant H Sql Db SQL = the standard language used by most database programs. Most add a little bit (few extra commands and stuff) to the basic language to help ensure that people can't easily switch to another program even though they all ostensibly use Sql. Db = Database H is the only bit that distinguishes exactly which program is being talked about. Note that other programs also use Sql or Db in their name. For example MySql/MariaDb, Postgresql. Only Access doesn't have any of that in it's name. Of course MS make many claims that Access does use Sql but it's such a heavily tweaked version of Sql that it's almost unrecognisable. If you learn Access then you need to forgetre-learn if you want to switch to anything else. The others tend to just have a few differences so it's not so tough to move between them. At least, so i have heard. Regards from Tom :) From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com To: Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com Cc: Mail List LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 15 July 2013, 16:38 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax And just what is HSLQLDB ;-) oh, memorizing acronyms seems to me a mighty complicated way to organize one's thoughts ... wouldn't it be simpler - easier - to just state the object(s) rather than leaving the listener trying to interpret what's being meant by what's being said ;-) see - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/acronym AND - did you happen to notice in that URL, this phenomenon only started in 1943 ;-) before then communication was simply speaking to be understood ;-) BTW - many of these acronyms are duplicated - which causes even more confusion to the listener ;-) On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com wrote: On 07/13/2013 05:36 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: HSLQLDB is a bit picky about the syntax Does anyone know where I can find a good reference on HSLQLDB syntax? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
On 7/15/2013 12:25 PM, Felmon Davis wrote: On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, anne-ology wrote: And just what is HSLQLDB ;-) This is not an acronym. It can't be pronounced as a word. (See dictionary definition in URL below.) oh, memorizing acronyms seems to me a mighty complicated way to organize one's thoughts ... wouldn't it be simpler - easier - to just state the object(s) rather than leaving the listener trying to interpret what's being meant by what's being said ;-) see - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/acronym AND - did you happen to notice in that URL, this phenomenon only started in 1943 ;-) do you know SPQR? or INRI? or Q.E.D.? None of these are acronyms either. Senatus PupulusQue Romanus: did you know that the Roman street catchbasins and manhole covers are marked SPQR? Yes, today. Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum Quod Erat Demonstrandum --doug -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
To keep the record straight, Stardivision's StarOffice did not use HSQLDB. Unless the name has been changed, Stardivision used the ADABASE D database engine in their StarOffice. As far as I can research, Sun dropped the proprietary Adabase D engine in favor of HSQLDB after it took over the StarOffice code from Stardivision. I never was able to get Adabase D working for me back then, but I was ignorant of real (non-Access) databases then and the StarOffice Adabase D database documentation was terrible. Girvin Herr V Stuart Foote wrote: STOP! Anne, glad you're back but seriously? HSQLDB is the short title and Web address for HyperSQL, the Java language based SQL relational database that StarOffice then Sun chose as the imbedded database for the project. Currently we include the 1.8 release, and efforts will either see that ripped out of LibreOffice to be replaced, or the version of HSQLDB will be upgraded to a current 2.3 release. Mark, et al., all the details you could ever want are on the project webpage at hsqldb.org, just mind the version differences. Stuart From: Tom Davies [tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 11:15 AM To: anne-ology; Mark LaPierre Cc: Mail List LibreOffice Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax Hi :) My guess is that he meant H Sql Db SQL = the standard language used by most database programs. Most add a little bit (few extra commands and stuff) to the basic language to help ensure that people can't easily switch to another program even though they all ostensibly use Sql. Db = Database H is the only bit that distinguishes exactly which program is being talked about. Note that other programs also use Sql or Db in their name. For example MySql/MariaDb, Postgresql. Only Access doesn't have any of that in it's name. Of course MS make many claims that Access does use Sql but it's such a heavily tweaked version of Sql that it's almost unrecognisable. If you learn Access then you need to forgetre-learn if you want to switch to anything else. The others tend to just have a few differences so it's not so tough to move between them. At least, so i have heard. Regards from Tom :) From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com To: Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com Cc: Mail List LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 15 July 2013, 16:38 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax And just what is HSLQLDB ;-) oh, memorizing acronyms seems to me a mighty complicated way to organize one's thoughts ... wouldn't it be simpler - easier - to just state the object(s) rather than leaving the listener trying to interpret what's being meant by what's being said ;-) see - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/acronym AND - did you happen to notice in that URL, this phenomenon only started in 1943 ;-) before then communication was simply speaking to be understood ;-) BTW - many of these acronyms are duplicated - which causes even more confusion to the listener ;-) On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com wrote: On 07/13/2013 05:36 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: HSLQLDB is a bit picky about the syntax Does anyone know where I can find a good reference on HSLQLDB syntax? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
Google When you spell it right, with just those two words you'll get, if it's the same as for me, 116k hits. Mark Stanton One small step for mankind... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] HSLQLDB syntax
On 07/13/2013 05:36 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: HSLQLDB is a bit picky about the syntax Does anyone know where I can find a good reference on HSLQLDB syntax? -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
