Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
Hi :) A fork is often a single piece of metal. The handle is usually a single, slightly wider cylinder (ish). The 2, 3 or 4 prongs are typically a corresponding fraction of the width of the handle section. With 2 or 4 prongs (tines?) it is usually difficult to identify any 1 of them as being the original continuation of the handle and the other(s) as being off-shoots or child. So i think fork is an excellent term. It only gets confusing when people try to say that this or that prong is the original. When TDF split away from OpenOffice.org it took away sooo much that OpenOffice.org was barely recognisable as the entity it once was. It was only the name staying the same that kept it afloat, that and the amazing hard-work of the few remaining people. Regards from Tom :) On 16 October 2014 03:42, Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net wrote: On Wednesday 15 October 2014 10:34:39 PM Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: The key to me is not whether or not it is a fork, child, or any other relation to the original OOo project, but the fact that the people behind LibreOffice in the early days decided that they did not want to see the idea of an FOSS office suite package to die do to the lack of caring by the one who owns the brand name of the current FOSS package. All very well, but the original context was defining the term fork to someone who had never heard the term. By now, I'm sure, she's hopelessly confused, and a little sorry she asked. ;-) -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
au contraire This conversation has been fascinating informative ... and BTW I too started, as Tim did, with OO - although I'd thought back-then it had merely changed its name ;-) From: Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net Date: Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com On Wednesday 15 October 2014 10:34:39 PM Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: The key to me is not whether or not it is a fork, child, or any other relation to the original OOo project, but the fact that the people behind LibreOffice in the early days decided that they did not want to see the idea of an FOSS office suite package to die do to the lack of caring by the one who owns the brand name of the current FOSS package. All very well, but the original context was defining the term fork to someone who had never heard the term. By now, I'm sure, she's hopelessly confused, and a little sorry she asked. ;-) -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
and then there's ... The Road Not Taken by Robert Frost (1874–1963) TWO roads diverged in a yellow wood, And sorry I could not travel both And be one traveler, long I stood And looked down one as far as I could To where it bent in the undergrowth; Then took the other, as just as fair, And having perhaps the better claim, Because it was grassy and wanted wear; Though as for that the passing there Had worn them really about the same, And both that morning equally lay In leaves no step had trodden black. Oh, I kept the first for another day! Yet knowing how way leads on to way, I doubted if I should ever come back. I shall be telling this with a sigh Somewhere ages and ages hence: Two roads diverged in a wood, and I— I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference. From: Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks To: Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com Hi :) A fork is often a single piece of metal. The handle is usually a single, slightly wider cylinder (ish). The 2, 3 or 4 prongs are typically a corresponding fraction of the width of the handle section. With 2 or 4 prongs (tines?) it is usually difficult to identify any 1 of them as being the original continuation of the handle and the other(s) as being off-shoots or child. So i think fork is an excellent term. It only gets confusing when people try to say that this or that prong is the original. When TDF split away from OpenOffice.org it took away sooo much that OpenOffice.org was barely recognisable as the entity it once was. It was only the name staying the same that kept it afloat, that and the amazing hard-work of the few remaining people. Regards from Tom :) On 16 October 2014 03:42, Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net wrote: On Wednesday 15 October 2014 10:34:39 PM Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: The key to me is not whether or not it is a fork, child, or any other relation to the original OOo project, but the fact that the people behind LibreOffice in the early days decided that they did not want to see the idea of an FOSS office suite package to die do to the lack of caring by the one who owns the brand name of the current FOSS package. All very well, but the original context was defining the term fork to someone who had never heard the term. By now, I'm sure, she's hopelessly confused, and a little sorry she asked. ;-) -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
On 10/16/2014 01:17 PM, anne-ology wrote: and then there's ... The Road Not Taken by Robert Frost (1874–1963) And there's ... When you come to the fork in the road, take it! Yogi Berra -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
Hi :) Effectively yeh it was just a name change and updating/recreating the infrastructure. A bit like when Star Office became OpenOffice. Of course Star Office is still floating around somewhere but it doesn't bear much resemblance to LibreOffice or even OpenOffice. So it can't really count as a fork any more and may not even be usable at all these days. One major difference wrt the poem is that it's fairly easy to uninstall either OpenOffice or LibreOffice and install the other. Of course LibreOffice has more functionality now so you might miss those features but the files should open and be very usable. Regards from Tom :) On 16 October 2014 18:17, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: and then there's ... The Road Not Taken by Robert Frost (1874–1963) TWO roads diverged in a yellow wood, And sorry I could not travel both And be one traveler, long I stood And looked down one as far as I could To where it bent in the undergrowth; Then took the other, as just as fair, And having perhaps the better claim, Because it was grassy and wanted wear; Though as for that the passing there Had worn them really about the same, And both that morning equally lay In leaves no step had trodden black. Oh, I kept the first for another day! Yet knowing how way leads on to way, I doubted if I should ever come back. I shall be telling this with a sigh Somewhere ages and ages hence: Two roads diverged in a wood, and I— I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference. From: Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks To: Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com Hi :) A fork is often a single piece of metal. The handle is usually a single, slightly wider cylinder (ish). The 2, 3 or 4 prongs are typically a corresponding fraction of the width of the handle section. With 2 or 4 prongs (tines?) it is usually difficult to identify any 1 of them as being the original continuation of the handle and the other(s) as being off-shoots or child. So i think fork is an excellent term. It only gets confusing when people try to say that this or that prong is the original. When TDF split away from OpenOffice.org it took away sooo much that OpenOffice.org was barely recognisable as the entity it once was. It was only the name staying the same that kept it afloat, that and the amazing hard-work of the few remaining people. Regards from Tom :) On 16 October 2014 03:42, Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net wrote: On Wednesday 15 October 2014 10:34:39 PM Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: The key to me is not whether or not it is a fork, child, or any other relation to the original OOo project, but the fact that the people behind LibreOffice in the early days decided that they did not want to see the idea of an FOSS office suite package to die do to the lack of caring by the one who owns the brand name of the current FOSS package. All very well, but the original context was defining the term fork to someone who had never heard the term. By now, I'm sure, she's hopelessly confused, and a little sorry she asked. ;-) -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
On 10/16/2014 01:31 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Of course Star Office is still floating around somewhere but it doesn't bear much resemblance to LibreOffice or even OpenOffice. So it can't really count as a fork any more and may not even be usable at all these days. StarOffice was the version of OpenOffice that Sun sold to paying customers and so was almost exactly the same as OpenOffice. I first came across StarOffice on OS/2 before it was bought by Sun. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
Thank you for responding with this nicely concise definition. Now ... I see that the computer-gurus have made 'fork in the road' synonymous with 'offshoot' ;-) well, I remember when all libraries had the OED prominently displayed. From: Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net Date: Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com Fork is a free software term for a project that branches off from an existing project to develop the code in its own way. For example, LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice.org. The term's been in use for at least 20 years, so I didn't think twice about using it. On Tuesday 14 October 2014 06:50:56 PM anne-ology wrote: would you like a spoon knife with that ;-) If 'fork' has now become a computer term - [and I just 'searched' it to see] - then just what is it? Curiously wondering what the next word will be that will be transformed by the computer industry ;-) From: Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net Date: Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:36 PM Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks To: users@global.libreoffice.org Can anyone point me to a list of LibreOffice and OOo forks? Thanks, -- Bruce Byfield -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
Thank you for this very interesting explanation. Now ... I see where the computer-gurus have made computer games more popular than others ;-) well, I remember when all would play Croquet or Badminton on the lawn then after dusk sit around the card-table for some Canasta or Scrabble. From: Cley Faye cleyf...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks To: Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org As an example, go there: https://github.com/watabou/pixel-dungeon See in the upper-right corner the term Fork :) It's almost used in a literal way: at one point in the life of a project, someone decided to go in another direction, like a fork on a road http://i.imgur.com/O6vSljU.jpg. -- Cley Faye http://cleyfaye.net 2014-10-15 1:50 GMT+02:00 anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com: would you like a spoon knife with that ;-) If 'fork' has now become a computer term - [and I just 'searched' it to see] - then just what is it? Curiously wondering what the next word will be that will be transformed by the computer industry ;-) From: Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net Date: Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:36 PM Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks To: users@global.libreoffice.org Can anyone point me to a list of LibreOffice and OOo forks? Thanks, -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
and the definition of plagiarism is ... reminds me ... What’s in a name? that which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet; [William Shakespeare] yet plagiarism is the taking of another's work for ones own. From: jonathon toki.kant...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks To: users@global.libreoffice.org On October 14, 2014 2:36:14 PM PDT, Bruce Byfield wrote: Can anyone point me to a list of LibreOffice and OOo forks? Its been two or three years since I've seen a comprehensive list. Offhand, the only programs I can think of are: * NeoOffice; * AndroOpenOffice; * EuroOffice; * LibreOffice; * Apache Open Office; Lotus Symphony was rolled into Apache OpenOffice. I don't think it exists as a separate program anymore. GoOo was rolled into LibreOffice. I don't think it exists as a separate program anymore; I don't know what the status of RedOffice is. The other forks I am aware of, have either been abandoned, or rolled back into either LibO, or AOo. I suspect that there were a number of forks that never got on anybody's radar: * CD/DVD only distribution as budget software; * Vector software for Trojan droppers; * SoHo support companies that rebranded the software, to preserve their contract/business model; * Instant download vendors; jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
Plagiarism is not involved if you respect the various FOSS and Open Source licensing that are used with the source code for TDF/LO and Apache/AOo. Anyone who has the skills can take the source code and modify it for their personal needs, or their company's needs. They should indicate in their copyright information that their version is a fork of an existing FOSS type of software package. If they do not, then there may be some concerns if they imply that they were the creator[s] of the complete package instead of their modification[s]. That would be plagiarism if you were to think in the sense of a document. I do not remember what it would be called in the legal terms for taking credit of being the creator/writer/coder of the work provided by others in the current licensing structure of TDF/LO and Apache/AOo. On 10/15/2014 08:32 AM, anne-ology wrote: and the definition of plagiarism is ... reminds me ... What’s in a name? that which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet; [William Shakespeare] yet plagiarism is the taking of another's work for ones own. From: jonathon toki.kant...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks To: users@global.libreoffice.org On October 14, 2014 2:36:14 PM PDT, Bruce Byfield wrote: Can anyone point me to a list of LibreOffice and OOo forks? Its been two or three years since I've seen a comprehensive list. Offhand, the only programs I can think of are: * NeoOffice; * AndroOpenOffice; * EuroOffice; * LibreOffice; * Apache Open Office; Lotus Symphony was rolled into Apache OpenOffice. I don't think it exists as a separate program anymore. GoOo was rolled into LibreOffice. I don't think it exists as a separate program anymore; I don't know what the status of RedOffice is. The other forks I am aware of, have either been abandoned, or rolled back into either LibO, or AOo. I suspect that there were a number of forks that never got on anybody's radar: * CD/DVD only distribution as budget software; * Vector software for Trojan droppers; * SoHo support companies that rebranded the software, to preserve their contract/business model; * Instant download vendors; jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
you're right. From: Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com Date: Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks To: users@global.libreoffice.org Plagiarism is not involved if you respect the various FOSS and Open Source licensing that are used with the source code for TDF/LO and Apache/AOo. Anyone who has the skills can take the source code and modify it for their personal needs, or their company's needs. They should indicate in their copyright information that their version is a fork of an existing FOSS type of software package. If they do not, then there may be some concerns if they imply that they were the creator[s] of the complete package instead of their modification[s]. That would be plagiarism if you were to think in the sense of a document. I do not remember what it would be called in the legal terms for taking credit of being the creator/writer/coder of the work provided by others in the current licensing structure of TDF/LO and Apache/AOo. On 10/15/2014 08:32 AM, anne-ology wrote: and the definition of plagiarism is ... reminds me ... What’s in a name? that which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet; [William Shakespeare] yet plagiarism is the taking of another's work for ones own. From: jonathon toki.kant...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks To: users@global.libreoffice.org On October 14, 2014 2:36:14 PM PDT, Bruce Byfield wrote: Can anyone point me to a list of LibreOffice and OOo forks? Its been two or three years since I've seen a comprehensive list. Offhand, the only programs I can think of are: * NeoOffice; * AndroOpenOffice; * EuroOffice; * LibreOffice; * Apache Open Office; Lotus Symphony was rolled into Apache OpenOffice. I don't think it exists as a separate program anymore. GoOo was rolled into LibreOffice. I don't think it exists as a separate program anymore; I don't know what the status of RedOffice is. The other forks I am aware of, have either been abandoned, or rolled back into either LibO, or AOo. I suspect that there were a number of forks that never got on anybody's radar: * CD/DVD only distribution as budget software; * Vector software for Trojan droppers; * SoHo support companies that rebranded the software, to preserve their contract/business model; * Instant download vendors; jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
Hi :) It's not quite the same as an off-shoot. An off-shoot would be more like a little branch budding off the main trunk. What we have is 2 versions of the original project. Both have people and resources that date far back, sometimes to before the existence of either branch. For one project it's more like they just had a name change and a bit of work on modernising the infrastructure but it's mostly business as usual. With LibreOffice it was fairly quickly the case that almost the entire community, almost all the devs and almost all the organisations and companies all moved to LibreOffice. All that was left at OpenOffice was the name, trademark, the websites and forums and a very few of the companies and some of the paid devs. Of course there were and still are people who contribute to both projects. With MariaDb one or a few of the main original devs moved from MySql to MariaDb and the others mostly left. Oracle had to re-staff. Most of the community also moved. So really what was left behind didn't bear much resemblance to MySql at all. Most of what people think of as MySql had really just had a name-change. Regards from Tom :) On 15 October 2014 13:52, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: Plagiarism is not involved if you respect the various FOSS and Open Source licensing that are used with the source code for TDF/LO and Apache/AOo. Anyone who has the skills can take the source code and modify it for their personal needs, or their company's needs. They should indicate in their copyright information that their version is a fork of an existing FOSS type of software package. If they do not, then there may be some concerns if they imply that they were the creator[s] of the complete package instead of their modification[s]. That would be plagiarism if you were to think in the sense of a document. I do not remember what it would be called in the legal terms for taking credit of being the creator/writer/coder of the work provided by others in the current licensing structure of TDF/LO and Apache/AOo. On 10/15/2014 08:32 AM, anne-ology wrote: and the definition of plagiarism is ... reminds me ... What’s in a name? that which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet; [William Shakespeare] yet plagiarism is the taking of another's work for ones own. From: jonathon toki.kant...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks To: users@global.libreoffice.org On October 14, 2014 2:36:14 PM PDT, Bruce Byfield wrote: Can anyone point me to a list of LibreOffice and OOo forks? Its been two or three years since I've seen a comprehensive list. Offhand, the only programs I can think of are: * NeoOffice; * AndroOpenOffice; * EuroOffice; * LibreOffice; * Apache Open Office; Lotus Symphony was rolled into Apache OpenOffice. I don't think it exists as a separate program anymore. GoOo was rolled into LibreOffice. I don't think it exists as a separate program anymore; I don't know what the status of RedOffice is. The other forks I am aware of, have either been abandoned, or rolled back into either LibO, or AOo. I suspect that there were a number of forks that never got on anybody's radar: * CD/DVD only distribution as budget software; * Vector software for Trojan droppers; * SoHo support companies that rebranded the software, to preserve their contract/business model; * Instant download vendors; jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
Hi, Am 15.10.2014 um 02:45 schrieb Bruce Byfield: For example, LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice.org. Not exactly. https://twitter.com/webmink/status/25769232489 For some people (including me) LibreOffice is the true OpenOffice.org, but it´s not allowed to use its original name. ;-) Stefan :-) -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
Hi :) A big +1 to that!! Regards from Tom :) On 15 October 2014 18:05, Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote: Hi, Am 15.10.2014 um 02:45 schrieb Bruce Byfield: For example, LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice.org. Not exactly. https://twitter.com/webmink/status/25769232489 For some people (including me) LibreOffice is the true OpenOffice.org, but it´s not allowed to use its original name. ;-) Stefan :-) -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
On 10/15/2014 01:05 PM, Stefan Weigel wrote: Hi, Am 15.10.2014 um 02:45 schrieb Bruce Byfield: For example, LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice.org. Not exactly. https://twitter.com/webmink/status/25769232489 For some people (including me) LibreOffice is the true OpenOffice.org, but it´s not allowed to use its original name. ;-) Stefan :-) I think having a different name is important, since we did a real lot of work to make OOo better for our initial release 4+ years ago. We had no baggage of an older name pass down from company to company. We were able to make our own stand on what we could do as a fork or child of the code base that was OOo. We showed that TDF was prepared to make the best version it could with its initial version[s] of an office suite based on OOo. We did so well, that it looks to me that several of the other forked projects ended up fading away after people saw how well TDF/LO worked and how much was improved with the first few releases. So I think not having the rights to OpenOffice.org may have been a blessing, not a bad thing. Since I started with LO since its first public release version, I think we did all right. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
On Wednesday 15 October 2014 02:46:50 PM Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 10/15/2014 01:05 PM, Stefan Weigel wrote: Hi, Am 15.10.2014 um 02:45 schrieb Bruce Byfield: For example, LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice.org. Not exactly. https://twitter.com/webmink/status/25769232489 For some people (includin I think having a different name is important, since we did a real lot of work to make OOo better for our initial release 4+ years ago. We had no baggage of an older name pass down from company to company. We were able to make our own stand on what we could do as a fork or child of the code base that was OOo. We showed that TDF was prepared to make the best version it could with its initial version[s] of an office suite based on OOo. We did so well, that it looks to me that several of the other forked projects ended up fading away after people saw how well TDF/LO worked and how much was improved with the first few releases. So I think not having the rights to OpenOffice.org may have been a blessing, not a bad thing. Since I started with LO since its first public release version, I think we did all right.g me) LibreOffice is the true OpenOffice.org, but it´s not allowed to use its original name. ;-) I'm grateful for what LO has done. In four years, it has done more to improve the code than OpenOffice.org managed in ten years. However, joking aside, I'm not going to revise history. LO began as a fork and a fork it remains. -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
Hi :) It's not rewritting history to say that almost all of what was OpenOffice is what is LibreOffice. Granted at least one pre-existing fork (Go-oo) also merged and that tons of work has gone into it all since then. All that OpenOffice managed to keep was the empty suite wrapper. Regards from Tom :) On 15 October 2014 20:23, Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net wrote: On Wednesday 15 October 2014 02:46:50 PM Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 10/15/2014 01:05 PM, Stefan Weigel wrote: Hi, Am 15.10.2014 um 02:45 schrieb Bruce Byfield: For example, LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice.org. Not exactly. https://twitter.com/webmink/status/25769232489 For some people (includin I think having a different name is important, since we did a real lot of work to make OOo better for our initial release 4+ years ago. We had no baggage of an older name pass down from company to company. We were able to make our own stand on what we could do as a fork or child of the code base that was OOo. We showed that TDF was prepared to make the best version it could with its initial version[s] of an office suite based on OOo. We did so well, that it looks to me that several of the other forked projects ended up fading away after people saw how well TDF/LO worked and how much was improved with the first few releases. So I think not having the rights to OpenOffice.org may have been a blessing, not a bad thing. Since I started with LO since its first public release version, I think we did all right.g me) LibreOffice is the true OpenOffice.org, but it´s not allowed to use its original name. ;-) I'm grateful for what LO has done. In four years, it has done more to improve the code than OpenOffice.org managed in ten years. However, joking aside, I'm not going to revise history. LO began as a fork and a fork it remains. -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
On 15/10/14 21:23, Bruce Byfield wrote: However, joking aside, I'm not going to revise history. LO began as a fork and a fork it remains. All projects using OOo code are forks under the technical point of view, as they have cloned the repository and applied significant changes to the code. This is independent from the name of the project. So, as of today, there are three active forks of OOo: LibreOffice, Apache OpenOffice and NeoOffice. IMHO, AndrOpenOffice is a fork of Apache OpenOffice, but here I might be wrong as I have not looked at the code. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob IT +39.348.5653829 - mob EU +39.392.7481795 sip it...@libreoffice.org - skype italovignoli GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
Hi, Am 15.10.2014 um 21:48 schrieb Italo Vignoli: All projects using OOo code are forks under the technical point of view, as they have cloned the repository and applied significant changes to the code. Sure, the technical point of view. :-) But who cares about technics? ;-) What about the folks that build the community? And the spirit that carries the project? This does not feel like a split-off from 2010, rather a continuing evolution. Cheers, Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
On 15/10/14 22:26, Stefan Weigel wrote: All projects using OOo code are forks under the technical point of view, as they have cloned the repository and applied significant changes to the code. Sure, the technical point of view. :-) But who cares about technics? ;-) Of course, I know the story (I am one of the founders). So, I totally share your emotional point of view. OTOH, Bruce Byfield is a journalist, and we owe journalists factual informations and not emotional ones. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob IT +39.348.5653829 - mob EU +39.392.7481795 sip it...@libreoffice.org - skype italovignoli GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
On Wednesday 15 October 2014 10:56:28 PM Italo Vignoli wrote: On 15/10/14 22:26, Stefan Weigel wrote: All projects using OOo code are forks under the technical point of view, as they have cloned the repository and applied significant changes to the code. Sure, the technical point of view. :-) But who cares about technics? ;-) Of course, I know the story (I am one of the founders). So, I totally share your emotional point of view. OTOH, Bruce Byfield is a journalist, and we owe journalists factual informations and not emotional ones. This is on my own time, so nobody needs to worry about being quoted. But, now that you mention it, if I were to claim in print that LibreOffice wasn't a fork, I would receive dozens of people correcting me and calling me ignorant. Anyway, my memory of OpenOffice.org is that it was a rather unhappy project, repressed by Sun. LibreOffice seems to have much better morale and productivity. -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
On 16/10/14 00:12, Bruce Byfield wrote: This is on my own time, so nobody needs to worry about being quoted. Maybe I am biased because of my role within the project, but I think that transparency is always the best strategy. So, keeping facts separate from emotions. Anyway, my memory of OpenOffice.org is that it was a rather unhappy project, repressed by Sun. LibreOffice seems to have much better morale and productivity. Companies do not like communities, although they pretend to be nice to communities by appointing a community manager. Companies are used to hire and fire, and are less used to motivate (and volunteers are attracted by motivation). -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob IT +39.348.5653829 - mob EU +39.392.7481795 sip it...@libreoffice.org - skype italovignoli GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
On 10/15/2014 06:12 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: On Wednesday 15 October 2014 10:56:28 PM Italo Vignoli wrote: On 15/10/14 22:26, Stefan Weigel wrote: All projects using OOo code are forks under the technical point of view, as they have cloned the repository and applied significant changes to the code. Sure, the technical point of view. :-) But who cares about technics? ;-) Of course, I know the story (I am one of the founders). So, I totally share your emotional point of view. OTOH, Bruce Byfield is a journalist, and we owe journalists factual informations and not emotional ones. This is on my own time, so nobody needs to worry about being quoted. But, now that you mention it, if I were to claim in print that LibreOffice wasn't a fork, I would receive dozens of people correcting me and calling me ignorant. Anyway, my memory of OpenOffice.org is that it was a rather unhappy project, repressed by Sun. LibreOffice seems to have much better morale and productivity. I went from MS Office 2003 to OpenOffice.org when OOo was able to read/write the .doc files I was using. Actually, I was using it before they were saving files as .doc - OOo 1.x??. I was using both Windows and Ubuntu-based OSs at that time so I needed something that would work on both systems. Then just around Christmas I read about LibreOffice coming out with its first public release. I ended up installing the last RC version before the official release came out. I un-installed OOo on most of my systems in favor of LO since that point. Yes, LO is officially a fork of OOo, but at that time OOo was a virtual dead project with the lack of support by Sun. Of course the fact that when LO's first release came out, articles started to show up about how much better Lo was over the OOo project and LO was soon the default of a large percent of the Linux distros that came out within months of LO's release - and dumping OOo as the default office package. OOo was stagnant and the people who decided to create a fork of the OOo project and start it moving with the badly needed updates and improvements. So the LibreOffice project took off while OOo faded into the background. Of course then Sun finally decided that OOo was a dead project for their company and ended up selling it, including the rights to the name, to Apache. The key to me is not whether or not it is a fork, child, or any other relation to the original OOo project, but the fact that the people behind LibreOffice in the early days decided that they did not want to see the idea of an FOSS office suite package to die do to the lack of caring by the one who owns the brand name of the current FOSS package. These people decided enough was enough and started to do the work on the code base and make the improvements needed, without waiting for another 3, 4, 6, or even 8 months till the next version release of the original project to come about. Thank goodness that these people did that. Now we have a maturing project that has seen 4 years of work. LO has become what OOo should have become but did not and maybe would not without the push from our early developers. There are people who look at both the LO project and the AOo project, both starting from nearly the same point in the code cycle of OOo. I have not read anything where it makes me believe that the AOo project has the passion of its users and developers as the LO project has been for the past 3 or 4 years. None of my tech e-newsletters have had articles [so far as I have seen] that talks about the advances in the open source office suite project[s] being part of the AOo suite. Every one of these articles talk about LO advancing the free and open source office suite development and advancing its market share in the free and/or paid office suite market. Every time I read anything about an office suite that is free or one to use instead of MS Office, the name of LibreOffice comes up. IMO - MS is doing a lot of things with their office suite package lines that lead me to believe that LibreOffice is starting to get some people at MS headquarters worrying about our free and open source office suite package and what will happen to MS's market share as more and more people are going toward free software over MS's paid software. No matter what LibreOffice is, fork, child, or whatever, there is no doubt in my mind that more and more people are turning to LibreOffice for their office suite needs. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
On Wednesday 15 October 2014 10:34:39 PM Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: The key to me is not whether or not it is a fork, child, or any other relation to the original OOo project, but the fact that the people behind LibreOffice in the early days decided that they did not want to see the idea of an FOSS office suite package to die do to the lack of caring by the one who owns the brand name of the current FOSS package. All very well, but the original context was defining the term fork to someone who had never heard the term. By now, I'm sure, she's hopelessly confused, and a little sorry she asked. ;-) -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
Can anyone point me to a list of LibreOffice and OOo forks? Thanks, -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
Hi :) I don't know of one. Also i doubt it'd be fully comprehensive. Part of the point of OpenSource is that anyone can take and modify the program for their own private use, or for their company, or whatever. If people keep it private then we might not ever hear about it. Forks that i know of are; * Neo Office - for Macs, costs money but now that LIbreOffice works on Macs i'm not sure if it's still being developed * Go-oo - for various distros such as Ubuntu, openSuSE but this got re-merged into LibreOffice main branch * Lotus Symphony - by IBM but they gave a huge code donation to Apache OpenOffice so i'm not sure if it's still being developed as an independent program There are tons of other programs and suites that use the same formats natively or as an option (even not counting the 1 company that seems to have trouble implementing the format). It'd be easier to get a list of those programs office-suites. Regards from Tom :) On 14 October 2014 22:36, Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net wrote: Can anyone point me to a list of LibreOffice and OOo forks? Thanks, -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
would you like a spoon knife with that ;-) If 'fork' has now become a computer term - [and I just 'searched' it to see] - then just what is it? Curiously wondering what the next word will be that will be transformed by the computer industry ;-) From: Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net Date: Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:36 PM Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks To: users@global.libreoffice.org Can anyone point me to a list of LibreOffice and OOo forks? Thanks, -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
Fork is a free software term for a project that branches off from an existing project to develop the code in its own way. For example, LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice.org. The term's been in use for at least 20 years, so I didn't think twice about using it. On Tuesday 14 October 2014 06:50:56 PM anne-ology wrote: would you like a spoon knife with that ;-) If 'fork' has now become a computer term - [and I just 'searched' it to see] - then just what is it? Curiously wondering what the next word will be that will be transformed by the computer industry ;-) From: Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net Date: Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:36 PM Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks To: users@global.libreoffice.org Can anyone point me to a list of LibreOffice and OOo forks? Thanks, -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
As an example, go there: https://github.com/watabou/pixel-dungeon See in the upper-right corner the term Fork :) It's almost used in a literal way: at one point in the life of a project, someone decided to go in another direction, like a fork on a road http://i.imgur.com/O6vSljU.jpg. -- Cley Faye http://cleyfaye.net 2014-10-15 1:50 GMT+02:00 anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com: would you like a spoon knife with that ;-) If 'fork' has now become a computer term - [and I just 'searched' it to see] - then just what is it? Curiously wondering what the next word will be that will be transformed by the computer industry ;-) From: Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net Date: Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:36 PM Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks To: users@global.libreoffice.org Can anyone point me to a list of LibreOffice and OOo forks? Thanks, -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
Quoting Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net: Fork is a free software term for a project that branches off from an existing project to develop the code in its own way. For example, LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice.org. The term's been in use for at least 20 years, so I didn't think twice about using it. and the wikipedia entry is at least a starting point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice Dave On Tuesday 14 October 2014 06:50:56 PM anne-ology wrote: would you like a spoon knife with that ;-) If 'fork' has now become a computer term - [and I just 'searched' it to see] - then just what is it? Curiously wondering what the next word will be that will be transformed by the computer industry ;-) From: Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net Date: Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:36 PM Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks To: users@global.libreoffice.org Can anyone point me to a list of LibreOffice and OOo forks? Thanks, -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Hold my beer while I show you this trick I can do! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
Quoting anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com: would you like a spoon knife with that ;-) If 'fork' has now become a computer term - [and I just 'searched' it to see] - then just what is it? It's a common term for using the source of free software to make changes - either by oneself or as a group - and carrying on without necessarily being tied to or compatible with the previous developers or their product. So LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice.org and so is Apache OpenOffice. Dave Curiously wondering what the next word will be that will be transformed by the computer industry ;-) From: Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net Date: Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:36 PM Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks To: users@global.libreoffice.org Can anyone point me to a list of LibreOffice and OOo forks? Thanks, -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) blog: https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com website: http://members.axion.net/~bbyfield/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Hold my beer while I show you this trick I can do! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
On October 14, 2014 2:36:14 PM PDT, Bruce Byfield wrote: Can anyone point me to a list of LibreOffice and OOo forks? Its been two or three years since I've seen a comprehensive list. Offhand, the only programs I can think of are: * NeoOffice; * AndroOpenOffice; * EuroOffice; * LibreOffice; * Apache Open Office; Lotus Symphony was rolled into Apache OpenOffice. I don't think it exists as a separate program anymore. GoOo was rolled into LibreOffice. I don't think it exists as a separate program anymore; I don't know what the status of RedOffice is. The other forks I am aware of, have either been abandoned, or rolled back into either LibO, or AOo. I suspect that there were a number of forks that never got on anybody's radar: * CD/DVD only distribution as budget software; * Vector software for Trojan droppers; * SoHo support companies that rebranded the software, to preserve their contract/business model; * Instant download vendors; jonathon -- Your documents. Your language. Your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
