Re: [libreoffice-users] Presentation conversion to/from Powerpoint - layout
On 01/03/2012, Dag Wieers d...@wieers.com wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2012, e-letter wrote: On 28/02/2012, Roger Sawkins ro...@sawkins.name wrote: I have Powerpoint on one machine and LibreOffice on another. I want to be able to edit and save PowerPoints on either machine. However, when loading Ppt in Presentation it does not always convert font and layout properly. Occasional tabs or spaces are missing or duplicated; occasional text boxes have text outside the slide, etc. Your are wasting your time. Make a cost-benefit analysis and decide whether to use either LO or m$; do not bother trying to use both. Are we being rude today ? No we are asking a sensible, direct question. The case Roger describes is something we all encounter when exporting/importing PPT documents. And while we do not control how (various) Microsoft products behave when using ODF, we can undoubtedly do a better job at making sure the import from and export to PPT (and PPTX) is smoother. No thank you, instead m$ can do a better job interpreting odf12. And if this is something Roger wants to help (waste time?) on, who are we to decide whether that is useful or not. Instead of providing no hope to users, I would prefer if we would clarify how users can help developers improve our product. Improving the native odf behaviour is more important than m$ formats. You want m$ output? Buy a legal copy of m$o. So can we be a bit more polite next time and provide hope, rather than despair ? ;-) Polite for odf, yes, but helping m$ remain dominant? No. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Presentation conversion to/from Powerpoint - layout
On Thu, 1 Mar 2012, e-letter wrote: On 01/03/2012, Dag Wieers d...@wieers.com wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2012, e-letter wrote: On 28/02/2012, Roger Sawkins ro...@sawkins.name wrote: I have Powerpoint on one machine and LibreOffice on another. I want to be able to edit and save PowerPoints on either machine. However, when loading Ppt in Presentation it does not always convert font and layout properly. Occasional tabs or spaces are missing or duplicated; occasional text boxes have text outside the slide, etc. Your are wasting your time. Make a cost-benefit analysis and decide whether to use either LO or m$; do not bother trying to use both. Are we being rude today ? No we are asking a sensible, direct question. There is nothing sensible in spelling Microsoft as 'm$', being condescending to users and force your opinions on others. We all like to have ODF as _the_ standard, and preferably everyone in the world is using LibreOffice (and for compatibility _only_ LibreOffice), but here is a reality check: the world is not nearly there... -- -- dag wieers, d...@wieers.com, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- dagit linux solutions, i...@dagit.net, http://dagit.net/ [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Presentation conversion to/from Powerpoint - layout
Hi :) It might be better to convert to Odp and then it should look the same on both machines. According to Microsoft you can expect differences in the way documents are displayed between their different operating systems. A file produced in MS Office 2010 on Xp might well look different if it's displayed in MS Office 2010 on Win7 even if they use the same printer and all settings are as close as they can be. Odp tends to look the same. Usually the older formats tend to work better, Ppt rather than PptX or Odp 1.1 rather than the default Odp 1.2 (Extended). If you really need things to look exactly the same then an uneditable format such as Pdf would be better. Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 28/2/12, Roger Sawkins ro...@sawkins.name wrote: From: Roger Sawkins ro...@sawkins.name Subject: [libreoffice-users] Presentation conversion to/from Powerpoint - layout To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 28 February, 2012, 0:10 I have Powerpoint on one machine and LibreOffice on another. I want to be able to edit and save PowerPoints on either machine. However, when loading Ppt in Presentation it does not always convert font and layout properly. Occasional tabs or spaces are missing or duplicated; occasional text boxes have text outside the slide, etc. Then when I then save the presentation as ppt it changes the font, for example, from bold to basic and shows tabs or spaces (see above) as missing. Is there some way of ensuring that the conversions are consistent and presentations can be switched back and forth? As a separate issue, in some cases Presentation show jpg's as sqeezed in the slide listing on the left, although they are OK when I click on the slide or when I do the show. Roger -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Presentation-conversion-to-from-Powerpoint-layout-tp3782543p3782543.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Presentation conversion to/from Powerpoint - layout
On 28/02/2012, Roger Sawkins ro...@sawkins.name wrote: I have Powerpoint on one machine and LibreOffice on another. I want to be able to edit and save PowerPoints on either machine. However, when loading Ppt in Presentation it does not always convert font and layout properly. Occasional tabs or spaces are missing or duplicated; occasional text boxes have text outside the slide, etc. Your are wasting your time. Make a cost-benefit analysis and decide whether to use either LO or m$; do not bother trying to use both. Then when I then save the presentation as ppt it changes the font, for example, from bold to basic and shows tabs or spaces (see above) as missing. This is because m$ has no desire to use odf. To prove the point, create an odp (two versions, one odf11, another odf12) document using LO. Open the odp document using m$. Send details of the changes to the odp file that m$ causes, to m$ technical support. Tell us the results of your contact with m$. Is there some way of ensuring that the conversions are consistent and presentations can be switched back and forth? Never in a million years. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Presentation conversion to/from Powerpoint - layout
On 28/02/2012, e-letter inp...@gmail.com wrote: On 28/02/2012, Roger Sawkins ro...@sawkins.name wrote: I have Powerpoint on one machine and LibreOffice on another. I want to be able to edit and save PowerPoints on either machine. However, when loading Ppt in Presentation it does not always convert font and layout properly. Occasional tabs or spaces are missing or duplicated; occasional text boxes have text outside the slide, etc. Your are wasting your time. Make a cost-benefit analysis and decide whether to use either LO or m$; do not bother trying to use both. Sorry for the terrible English; should read: You are... Then when I then save the presentation as ppt it changes the font, for example, from bold to basic and shows tabs or spaces (see above) as missing. This is because m$ has no desire to use odf. To prove the point, create an odp (two versions, one odf11, another odf12) document using LO. Open the odp document using m$. Send details of the changes to the odp file that m$ causes, to m$ technical support. Tell us the results of your contact with m$. Is there some way of ensuring that the conversions are consistent and presentations can be switched back and forth? Never in a million years. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Presentation conversion to/from Powerpoint - layout
Hi :) We successfully use MS Office alongside LibreOffice and it works out quite well. We tend to keep each document in one or the other rather than trying to convert the documents to-and-fro. So, for out newsletter we use LO because it's better with graphics and seems happier with larger (byte-wise) documents. Clients occasionally send us things in odf format. Unfortunately we have a couple of crucial documents with macros that were written for MSO 2010. Also people are wowed by the ribbon-bar and think that if something was that expensive and that much of a hassle to install then it must be great. So, we stick to having both because they each provide something useful that the other doesn't. If you are having troubles in getting permissions to install LibreOffice on the other machine then perhaps try it as a portable app on a usb-stick http://www.libreoffice.org/download/portable/ This allows you to customise LibreOffice and then just plug the usb-stick into any machine to use your customisations. Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 28/2/12, e-letter inp...@gmail.com wrote: From: e-letter inp...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Presentation conversion to/from Powerpoint - layout To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 28 February, 2012, 16:51 On 28/02/2012, e-letter inp...@gmail.com wrote: On 28/02/2012, Roger Sawkins ro...@sawkins.name wrote: I have Powerpoint on one machine and LibreOffice on another. I want to be able to edit and save PowerPoints on either machine. However, when loading Ppt in Presentation it does not always convert font and layout properly. Occasional tabs or spaces are missing or duplicated; occasional text boxes have text outside the slide, etc. Your are wasting your time. Make a cost-benefit analysis and decide whether to use either LO or m$; do not bother trying to use both. Sorry for the terrible English; should read: You are... Then when I then save the presentation as ppt it changes the font, for example, from bold to basic and shows tabs or spaces (see above) as missing. This is because m$ has no desire to use odf. To prove the point, create an odp (two versions, one odf11, another odf12) document using LO. Open the odp document using m$. Send details of the changes to the odp file that m$ causes, to m$ technical support. Tell us the results of your contact with m$. Is there some way of ensuring that the conversions are consistent and presentations can be switched back and forth? Never in a million years. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Presentation conversion to/from Powerpoint - layout
I have Powerpoint on one machine and LibreOffice on another. I want to be able to edit and save PowerPoints on either machine. However, when loading Ppt in Presentation it does not always convert font and layout properly. Occasional tabs or spaces are missing or duplicated; occasional text boxes have text outside the slide, etc. Then when I then save the presentation as ppt it changes the font, for example, from bold to basic and shows tabs or spaces (see above) as missing. Is there some way of ensuring that the conversions are consistent and presentations can be switched back and forth? As a separate issue, in some cases Presentation show jpg's as sqeezed in the slide listing on the left, although they are OK when I click on the slide or when I do the show. Roger -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Presentation-conversion-to-from-Powerpoint-layout-tp3782543p3782543.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
