Re: [libreoffice-users] RTF support
I don't (entirely) disagree with you on the dirty trick front. But what an interesting world we live in when an unpleasantly dirty trick like that is seen as a legitimate tool... Mark Stanton One small step for mankind... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] RTF support
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 16:25 +0100, Mark Stanton wrote: I don't (entirely) disagree with you on the dirty trick front. But what an interesting world we live in when an unpleasantly dirty trick like that is seen as a legitimate tool... Mark Stanton One small step for mankind... Part of the dirty tricks come from not understanding your customers' needs. Most office suite users are only interested in file formats so they share documents with others. In fact they would rather have on default format. They do not care if the default format is an open standard or a proprietary format. MS has changed the doc(x) format several time which leaves users of the older format out of luck. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] RTF support
Hi :) Things have moved on a lot in the last few years. MS Office can read the older ODFs and LibreOffice / OpenOffice can read the older .doc and .xls etc. The newer .docX and .xlsX etc do often work but sometimes create problems with images and text-boxes and stuff. You can change the defaults in LibreOffice. Word-processor formats will often display slightly differently on different machines and in different versions of word-processors but it's easy to edit. This still happens with Rtfs too. The pdf (= Portable Document Format) displays the same on every machine but it's not so easy to edit. LibreOffice can export to Pdf so you can keep 2 versions; one to edit the other so people can see how it should look. If you need to collaborate with other people that all need to make edits to a document then Google-Docs might be a good option, or else just give them all links to download LibreOffice or ask your IT department to roll-out onto all machines. MS Office is less sophisticated about placing pictures and text-boxes and stuff like that so sometimes pictures and things get moved around a bit. This does also happen between any 2 versions of MS Office. However, documents created in 1 version of LibreOffice look the same in other versions. Trying to convince MS Office users to use formats that everyone can read is an uphill struggle. They seem unable to use Save As ... and they are suspicious of any other format. Oddly it is only their default formats that have carried malware. To change the default formats in LibreOffice / OpenOffice go to Tools - Options - Load/Save - General to change the default ODF to the older 1.0/1.1. Alternatively at the bottom of the same screen perhaps change the 2 drop-downs to save Text Documents to Word 97/2000/Xp by rolling back up the list 1 place. For Spreadsheets and Presentations roll back up the list 2 places to avoid saving as templates. Regards from Tom :) - Original Message From: Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Mon, 27 June, 2011 23:37:22 Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] RTF support It says Are You Sure for HTML too. It is not that it has checked the features you are using. I believe it is a knee-jerk warning. (Something that Microsoft Office apparently set the precedent for.) - Dennis -Original Message- From: planas [mailto:jsloz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 15:13 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] RTF support Tracey, On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 11:15 -0700, tracey002 wrote: I had discovered that Open Office Writer does NOT really support functional RTF features (the ones that I tried anyway). When I posted issues to an OpenOffice Users Group, I was re-directed to Libre Office. Can I help in some way? Please advise. Thanks, Tracey As an End User, my experience has been to export (Documents and/or Data) in simple HTML or RTF text format for other End Users to use in their word Processor or Spreadsheet. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/RTF-support-tp3114703p3114703.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. Try FILESAVE AS and select RTF as the file type. You will get a dialog box asking if you are sure. I do not know the which version of RTF LO fully supports currently. The last version released is 1.9.1. My understanding is this will be the last release of the RTF standard by MS. Depending on what you other users have, their software may not support the current version. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] RTF support
I had discovered that Open Office Writer does NOT really support functional RTF features (the ones that I tried anyway). When I posted issues to an OpenOffice Users Group, I was re-directed to Libre Office. Can I help in some way? Please advise. Thanks, Tracey As an End User, my experience has been to export (Documents and/or Data) in simple HTML or RTF text format for other End Users to use in their word Processor or Spreadsheet. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/RTF-support-tp3114703p3114703.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] RTF support
It's an extremely crippled RTF specification to be sure. If RTF is what you really need you would be much better off looking at either AbiWord or KWord. On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 11:15 -0700, tracey002 wrote: I had discovered that Open Office Writer does NOT really support functional RTF features (the ones that I tried anyway). When I posted issues to an OpenOffice Users Group, I was re-directed to Libre Office. Can I help in some way? Please advise. Thanks, Tracey As an End User, my experience has been to export (Documents and/or Data) in simple HTML or RTF text format for other End Users to use in their word Processor or Spreadsheet. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/RTF-support-tp3114703p3114703.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] RTF support
On 2011-06-27, tracey002 wrote: I had discovered that Open Office Writer does NOT really support functional RTF features (the ones that I tried anyway). When I posted issues to an OpenOffice Users Group, I was re-directed to Libre Office. Can I help in some way? Please advise. Thanks, Tracey As an End User, my experience has been to export (Documents and/or Data) in simple HTML or RTF text format for other End Users to use in their word Processor or Spreadsheet. I don't have experience with RTF myself, so I can't say myself how good is it. But LibO has a rewritten RTF export, I guess it includes what Miklos Vajna did in Summer 2010. Miklos made a presentation about it, slides are at http://people.freedesktop.org/~vmiklos/2010/lo-opensuse-nurnberg-2010.pdf Starting at slide 14 there are several screenshots of export enhancements. This Summer, Miklos is working on RTF import, http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/google/gsoc2011/vmiklos/9001 There are also a couple posts on RTF export issues in Miklos' weblog, http://vmiklos.hu/blog/tags/libreoffice Meanwhile, you can fill bug reports, if there's none yet, for the features that aren't working, http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport -- Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) gopher://sdf-eu.org/1/users/njsg -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] RTF support
On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 11:15 -0700, tracey002 wrote: I had discovered that Open Office Writer does NOT really support functional RTF features (the ones that I tried anyway). When I posted issues to an OpenOffice Users Group, I was re-directed to Libre Office. Can I help in some way? Please advise. Thanks, Tracey As an End User, my experience has been to export (Documents and/or Data) in simple HTML or RTF text format for other End Users to use in their word Processor or Spreadsheet. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/RTF-support-tp3114703p3114703.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] RTF support
It says Are You Sure for HTML too. It is not that it has checked the features you are using. I believe it is a knee-jerk warning. (Something that Microsoft Office apparently set the precedent for.) - Dennis -Original Message- From: planas [mailto:jsloz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 15:13 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] RTF support Tracey, On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 11:15 -0700, tracey002 wrote: I had discovered that Open Office Writer does NOT really support functional RTF features (the ones that I tried anyway). When I posted issues to an OpenOffice Users Group, I was re-directed to Libre Office. Can I help in some way? Please advise. Thanks, Tracey As an End User, my experience has been to export (Documents and/or Data) in simple HTML or RTF text format for other End Users to use in their word Processor or Spreadsheet. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/RTF-support-tp3114703p3114703.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. Try FILESAVE AS and select RTF as the file type. You will get a dialog box asking if you are sure. I do not know the which version of RTF LO fully supports currently. The last version released is 1.9.1. My understanding is this will be the last release of the RTF standard by MS. Depending on what you other users have, their software may not support the current version. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
