Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 'deployment'
Hi :) Sorry no-one has replied yet! I'm not sure if any of these guides help https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Other_Documentation_and_Resources#Corporate_Users In Windows there is some sort of xcu file or registry entry or something that you might be able to use. Mostly it might be easier to set-up 1 machine so that it's about correct and then copy that one's User Profile to many machines. I'm not sure if multiple machines can all work of a UserProfile stored on a network file-share. Do you have any formalised 'contracts' to help you through the migration process? The FSF might well be able to help https://fsf.org/ They might well be able and willing to charge a LOT less for this than other support agencies. FSF can help with a migration to a wider range of OpenSource programs but they might well be able to focus on just LibreOffice as a start. Collabora might be better for a greater focus on migrating to LibreOffice http://www.collabora.com/ There are many others but those are the 2 i am most aware of Regards from Tom :) On 24 February 2014 08:14, IOmazic wrote: > Hi, > > can we go back to topic... Personally I don't care if I am pointed to LO or > OO if solution that I get there is working. > > My working case is around 450 workstations, we are using K1000 for > deployment of apps and scripts and managing workstations. > > My problem is how to deliver version that will be customize for our needs. > So some of my tasks are: > ALLUSERS=1 > CREATEDESKTOPLINK=1 > ISCHECKFORPRODUCTUPDATES=0 > REGISTER_ALL_MSO_TYPES=1 > UI_LANGS= we will need Arabic, Chinese Simplified, Chinese Traditional, > French, Russian, Spanish, English US (if all of this are supported), and > same for spell checking > QUICKSTART=1 > ... > so this is something that I can not get working as a first part of my task. > ___ > > Second part is fine tuning of LO options, and after copying files who are > located in: C:\Users\xyz\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice\4\user to some other > workstation should work right? > > > > - > Ivan Omazic > IT Assistant / Technical Lead > ioma...@wmo.int > +41 22 730 81 55 > +41 79 918 34 26 > -- > View this message in context: > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-deployment-tp4077035p4098736.html > Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 'deployment'
Hi, can we go back to topic... Personally I don't care if I am pointed to LO or OO if solution that I get there is working. My working case is around 450 workstations, we are using K1000 for deployment of apps and scripts and managing workstations. My problem is how to deliver version that will be customize for our needs. So some of my tasks are: ALLUSERS=1 CREATEDESKTOPLINK=1 ISCHECKFORPRODUCTUPDATES=0 REGISTER_ALL_MSO_TYPES=1 UI_LANGS= we will need Arabic, Chinese Simplified, Chinese Traditional, French, Russian, Spanish, English US (if all of this are supported), and same for spell checking QUICKSTART=1 ... so this is something that I can not get working as a first part of my task. ___ Second part is fine tuning of LO options, and after copying files who are located in: C:\Users\xyz\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice\4\user to some other workstation should work right? - Ivan Omazic IT Assistant / Technical Lead ioma...@wmo.int +41 22 730 81 55 +41 79 918 34 26 -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-deployment-tp4077035p4098736.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 'deployment'
Hi :) I used to like the Netscape email client. After it went into Firefox and then shoved into Seamonkey it seemed to lose lots of what i felt made it so powerful. Many times after sending an email Netscape allowed me to delete it from the other person's server. I've heard that a lot of people prefer Claws precisely because it is so tiny and powerful but i've not seen one that can do all Netscape did. Regards from Tom :) On 6 February 2014 07:05, Marcello Romani wrote: > Il 05/02/2014 21:48, e-letter ha scritto: >> >> On 05/02/2014, Marcello Romani wrote: >>> >>> For the record, I've been a happy user of "soffice" even before the 1.0 >>> release (I started being happy right after they dictched that awful >>> desktop-over-desktop Start Office thing ;-) >> >> >> I miss that! :) And starmail too... > > > Who doesn't? So snappy... especially considering how powerful the PCs were > back then :) > > > (BTW that was obviously supposed to read StarOffice, not StarT Office - what > a window-ish name! :-P ) > > -- > Marcello Romani > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 'deployment'
Il 05/02/2014 21:48, e-letter ha scritto: On 05/02/2014, Marcello Romani wrote: For the record, I've been a happy user of "soffice" even before the 1.0 release (I started being happy right after they dictched that awful desktop-over-desktop Start Office thing ;-) I miss that! :) And starmail too... Who doesn't? So snappy... especially considering how powerful the PCs were back then :) (BTW that was obviously supposed to read StarOffice, not StarT Office - what a window-ish name! :-P ) -- Marcello Romani -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 'deployment'
On 05/02/2014, Marcello Romani wrote: > For the record, I've been a happy user of "soffice" even before the 1.0 > release (I started being happy right after they dictched that awful > desktop-over-desktop Start Office thing ;-) I miss that! :) And starmail too... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 'deployment'
On February 5, 2014 1:53:59 AM PST, Kracked_P_P wrote: >both packages has the same "roots" OOo to LO and OOo to AOO, but we are now >different packages and offer different GUI styles and options, plus our base >coding has been changed and may not be reflected in AOO's base coding. Given the differences in the code base, can we even be sure that information provided on the AOO website will apply to LibO? I do know that there are enough differences between AOO and LibO, that it is easier to simply install and use both, than trying to work around the missing feature/function in the other one. jonathon -- Sent from the eating establishment at the far side of time, and the near side of space. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 'deployment'
For the record, I've been a happy user of "soffice" even before the 1.0 release (I started being happy right after they dictched that awful desktop-over-desktop Start Office thing ;-) Even before LO existed I pushed OO over MSO in the company where I work (I'm the IT manager). I even introduced Ubuntu Linux on the desktop (plus the server room is 90% debian). Ubuntu has switched to LO. I still haven't "converted" all of the windows workstations to LO, so I run a mixture of OO/LO instances with virtually no problems (thanks to the virtual absence of file format compatibility issues). As a (again, happy) user, I'm not that passionate about the LO/OO "competition", but I can see where you're coming from. Though I'm not concerned about the product image as you are, you certainly have a point, so I'll try and be more careful in the future. -- Marcello Romani -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 'deployment'
On 02/05/2014 02:38 AM, Marcello Romani wrote: Il 03/02/2014 17:47, Kracked_P_P---webmaster ha scritto: On 02/03/2014 08:48 AM, Marcello Romani wrote: Il 03/02/2014 13:21, IOmazic ha scritto: Hi, is it possible that you share this tools for windows? I will need to install it to around 450 pc, so it will be cool to have some tool to do all modification needed. Kind regards, Ivan Omazic - Ivan Omazic IT Assistant / Technical Lead ioma...@wmo.int +41 22 730 81 55 +41 79 918 34 26 -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-deployment-tp4077035p4095225.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. This might prove a useful starting point: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=28765&start=0 Why are people still sending others to the OpenOffice.org web site for information about LibreOffice? For this posted need, I remember hearing about "deployment" of LO on a LO web page. Although LO was a fork of OOo from several years ago, it is "grown" past those roots now. If we do not have the needed documentation now, we should really make it a priority to set up a web site/page to talk about IT management deployment of LO, including network based. The current AOO/OOo web site should not be the place where people go to get information about LO. From a marketing aspect, this could lead business users to think we are not the package to use, but AOO is. That is wrong way of doing "business". SO, just from the marketing aspect to businesses, this needs to be resolved. From the typical user, this could be an issue as well. I stopped using OOo when LO came out. I do not want to have to explain to users that LO's documentation site[s] is not the place to find the needed information to migrate/deploy LO to their systems. Would you tell the UK tech advisors to not consider LO for the open source option to using the mandated ODF file format requirements, but to go with AOO/OOo since we do not have the needed documentation? We would be saying this if we tell them to go to the OOo web site for the deployment information. I see too many of these postings telling users to go to the OOo site[s] for the needed information or extension/template download. Yes, there may be something there that LO currently does not have, but it should not be the first option. LO needs to rely on LO's sites to give the user the help and support they need. I do not use Nabble, but I would think that there must be a forum there about business migration and deployment. IF not, then there should be. Am I alone in this opinion? Googled for a solution. Found an interesting thread. Thought it could be useful to the OP. Posted it. I don't get what all this whining is about. Is there LO-specific information around, or some tutorial that doesn't involve OO? Fine, somebody is goind to come up with it (you didn't, by the way. Just sayin') As an example, V Stuart Foote provided a more general solution to the OP problem in this same thread. I am not "whining", or hope that is not so. I am stating the fact that TDF and LO are mature "company" and software packages. Our support "personnel" should look for a solution withing our own web site[s] and not go to some other "company's" software package web site[s]. Yes, both packages has the same "roots" OOo to LO and OOo to AOO, but we are now different packages and offer different GUI styles and options, plus our base coding has been changed and may not be reflected in AOO's base coding. WE need to have all of the needed information to deploy LO, migrate to LO, and use LO, in our own web pages, wiki or not. We should not rely on AOO/OOo web sites for that information. It has been available since January 2011, and we have grow up along the way to be thought as a different package then our roots, as a fork of OOo, and different from AOO's "fork" of OOo. We should, by now, have most of the needed information available on our web pages and not need to tel users to go to an AOO/OOo web page[s] to get that information. Yes, it may be the same information, but users get confused if we keep telling them to "go to our competion" to get the information they need. They, most likely, not understand the FOSS community and its sharing of code, information, and such. So we need to keep our users happy with looking into our sites, and not others, to get the information [and help] they need with our office suite package. I also would not expect users of AOO to expect to go to LO's pages to get their needed information. It is not the "normal" business support practice people expect to see form company's support "center". To some users, having us tell our users to go to AOO/OOo web sites for their info, this might lead them to think/feel that LO is not a "grown up" and fully mature office suite package while AOO is. In "year one" articles seem to state that LO was bette
[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 'deployment'
Il 03/02/2014 17:47, Kracked_P_P---webmaster ha scritto: On 02/03/2014 08:48 AM, Marcello Romani wrote: Il 03/02/2014 13:21, IOmazic ha scritto: Hi, is it possible that you share this tools for windows? I will need to install it to around 450 pc, so it will be cool to have some tool to do all modification needed. Kind regards, Ivan Omazic - Ivan Omazic IT Assistant / Technical Lead ioma...@wmo.int +41 22 730 81 55 +41 79 918 34 26 -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-deployment-tp4077035p4095225.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. This might prove a useful starting point: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=28765&start=0 Why are people still sending others to the OpenOffice.org web site for information about LibreOffice? For this posted need, I remember hearing about "deployment" of LO on a LO web page. Although LO was a fork of OOo from several years ago, it is "grown" past those roots now. If we do not have the needed documentation now, we should really make it a priority to set up a web site/page to talk about IT management deployment of LO, including network based. The current AOO/OOo web site should not be the place where people go to get information about LO. From a marketing aspect, this could lead business users to think we are not the package to use, but AOO is. That is wrong way of doing "business". SO, just from the marketing aspect to businesses, this needs to be resolved. From the typical user, this could be an issue as well. I stopped using OOo when LO came out. I do not want to have to explain to users that LO's documentation site[s] is not the place to find the needed information to migrate/deploy LO to their systems. Would you tell the UK tech advisors to not consider LO for the open source option to using the mandated ODF file format requirements, but to go with AOO/OOo since we do not have the needed documentation? We would be saying this if we tell them to go to the OOo web site for the deployment information. I see too many of these postings telling users to go to the OOo site[s] for the needed information or extension/template download. Yes, there may be something there that LO currently does not have, but it should not be the first option. LO needs to rely on LO's sites to give the user the help and support they need. I do not use Nabble, but I would think that there must be a forum there about business migration and deployment. IF not, then there should be. Am I alone in this opinion? Googled for a solution. Found an interesting thread. Thought it could be useful to the OP. Posted it. I don't get what all this whining is about. Is there LO-specific information around, or some tutorial that doesn't involve OO? Fine, somebody is goind to come up with it (you didn't, by the way. Just sayin') As an example, V Stuart Foote provided a more general solution to the OP problem in this same thread. -- Marcello Romani -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 'deployment'
Hi :) Copy&paste is good wrt my item 3. Regards from Tom :) On 3 February 2014 17:45, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: > > YES, F.O.S.S packages share things with other groups, but I really thing > business users needs the documentation on LO pages and not OOo pages. These > people do not understand about the sharing of information between "friendly > competition" FOSS packages and the lack of info due to the package[s] being > too "new" or immature to work for them. > > I really would hope the first place for our users for information would be > on a LO site or in LO docs. So I feel we need to have the business > information for deployment and migration in the LO wiki system and not ask > the business users to go to our "friendly competition" for that info. It > just does not look well for us and those who market and support LO to the > business users. > > > On 02/03/2014 12:27 PM, Tom Davies wrote: >> >> Hi :) >> You are not alone in that opinion but i can see it from other angles too. >> >> 1. The way i see it is that LO and AOO are produced by 1 large >> community. There are quite a few people who work in both or move from >> 1 to the other and sometimes back again. The mainstream press seems >> to think we fight and argue constantly and that seems to have boosted >> coverage for both projects. AOO aims at a slightly different niche >> from LO although both have a lot of ground in common. It's NOT a case >> of us against them. It's both of us and others (Caligra/KOffice, >> Google-docs, AbiWord&Gnumeric etc) acting in "co-operative >> competition" with/against each other against a dominant market-leader. >> >> 2. I copy&pasted one page from OOo's documentation into our own wiki >> and the original author proof-read it for us. He was more than happy >> to share the knowledge and help distribute it widely. Since then >> others have made a better page and Hagar has updated his one in AOO so >> 'mine' has fallen quite far behind and rarely gets visited now. I'll >> set it as a redirect to the updated one someday. >> >> 3. I agree that business people are probably unfamiliar with the >> concept of co-operative competition and that it might even scare them >> off from using either of LO and AOO!! Corporate-types are often timid >> when in unfamiliar terrain so it's better for us to appear to be easy >> for them to understand (imo) >> >> Regards from >> Tom :) >> >> >> >> >> On 3 February 2014 16:47, Kracked_P_P---webmaster >> wrote: >>> >>> On 02/03/2014 08:48 AM, Marcello Romani wrote: Il 03/02/2014 13:21, IOmazic ha scritto: > > Hi, > > is it possible that you share this tools for windows? I will need to > install > it to around 450 pc, so it will be cool to have some tool to do all > modification needed. > > Kind regards, > Ivan Omazic > > > > - > Ivan Omazic > IT Assistant / Technical Lead > ioma...@wmo.int > +41 22 730 81 55 > +41 79 918 34 26 > -- > View this message in context: > > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-deployment-tp4077035p4095225.html > Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > This might prove a useful starting point: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=28765&start=0 >>> Why are people still sending others to the OpenOffice.org web site for >>> information about LibreOffice? >>> >>> For this posted need, I remember hearing about "deployment" of LO on a LO >>> web page. Although LO was a fork of OOo from several years ago, it is >>> "grown" past those roots now. If we do not have the needed documentation >>> now, we should really make it a priority to set up a web site/page to >>> talk >>> about IT management deployment of LO, including network based. >>> >>> The current AOO/OOo web site should not be the place where people go to >>> get >>> information about LO. From a marketing aspect, this could lead business >>> users to think we are not the package to use, but AOO is. That is wrong >>> way >>> of doing "business". >>> >>> SO, just from the marketing aspect to businesses, this needs to be >>> resolved. >>> From the typical user, this could be an issue as well. >>> >>> I stopped using OOo when LO came out. I do not want to have to explain >>> to >>> users that LO's documentation site[s] is not the place to find the needed >>> information to migrate/deploy LO to their systems. >>> >>> Would you tell the UK tech advisors to not consider LO for the open >>> source >>> option to using the mandated ODF file format requirements, but to go with >>> AOO/OOo since we do not have the needed documentation? We would be >>> saying >>> this if we tell them to go to the OOo web site for the deployment >>> information. >>> >>> I see too many of these postings telling users to go to the OOo site[s] >>> for >>> the needed information or extension/template download. Yes, there may be >>> somethi
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 'deployment'
YES this is the type of LO page link we should give users instead of sending them off to OOo or any other non-LO site "first". I knew we had documentation somewhere. We just need to get the word out there "better". Maybe have more "indexed" material resources list. The "/Deployment_and_Migration" page is listed in the "Teams" section. Maybe have section titles in the main page that lists specific "discussions" or resource materials would be very helpful at this point. Maybe having a larger indexed list of topics that are of use to the setup, migration, and/or business deployment would be something that could be a "top level" listing in the main page and in the "documentation" page[s]. The "#Corporate_Users" page is not listed in the main documentation list, and needs to, instead of "other documents", etc., section. These things need to be "top level" items that are very easy to see from the main page and/or the main documentation page. If we can make it very easy for the business users, large and small, to find the needed documentation instead of a lot of searching around hoping we have what they need, then maybe we could get more exposure in the business world. The UK mandate for using ODF stated OpenOffice instead of the file format name. This was brought out in an article about LO 4.2.x. OOo/AOO seems to be thought of as the only "proper" ODF using package by "people" and not LO. This may be that they have more information equating OOo/AOO with ODF, and not LO, with ODF as the standard package for using that open file format[s] system. WE need to get businesses attention with the facts about both LO's ODF standards and the better OOXML "standards" usability that MS requires businesses to use. We need our supporters to have easy access to where the needed references, in a well thought out "indexed" system of Wiki pages that make sense with topic groupings. This will help both these supporters and our users to find the needed information. In the below listing, I would think that the documents needed by Business and Corporate users about setup, deployment, and migration to LO would be in one easy to find place, and not spread all over where you have to search other "needs" to find the link to the deployment info or other Corporate needed info. Right now it look like you have to go to several different sections to find the links that might be of common use to these users. I would love to find out why the UK minister stated OOo for the file format[s] type, along with Google Docs, as potential formats to use instead of MSO's ones. Be nice to have some high up tech guy let the minister know that LO can do ODF documents just as well as "OOo", even though it is now called AOO instead of OOo. At least the UK and France are getting the idea that MSO proprietary formats are not the way to do business anymore if you want a more open government or business. On 02/03/2014 12:53 PM, Pedro wrote: Maybe these instructions are helpful https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Deployment_and_Migration and https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Other_Documentation_and_Resources#Corporate_Users -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-deployment-tp4077035p4095284.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 'deployment'
Maybe these instructions are helpful https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Deployment_and_Migration and https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Other_Documentation_and_Resources#Corporate_Users -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-deployment-tp4077035p4095284.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 'deployment'
Hi :) You are not alone in that opinion but i can see it from other angles too. 1. The way i see it is that LO and AOO are produced by 1 large community. There are quite a few people who work in both or move from 1 to the other and sometimes back again. The mainstream press seems to think we fight and argue constantly and that seems to have boosted coverage for both projects. AOO aims at a slightly different niche from LO although both have a lot of ground in common. It's NOT a case of us against them. It's both of us and others (Caligra/KOffice, Google-docs, AbiWord&Gnumeric etc) acting in "co-operative competition" with/against each other against a dominant market-leader. 2. I copy&pasted one page from OOo's documentation into our own wiki and the original author proof-read it for us. He was more than happy to share the knowledge and help distribute it widely. Since then others have made a better page and Hagar has updated his one in AOO so 'mine' has fallen quite far behind and rarely gets visited now. I'll set it as a redirect to the updated one someday. 3. I agree that business people are probably unfamiliar with the concept of co-operative competition and that it might even scare them off from using either of LO and AOO!! Corporate-types are often timid when in unfamiliar terrain so it's better for us to appear to be easy for them to understand (imo) Regards from Tom :) On 3 February 2014 16:47, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: > On 02/03/2014 08:48 AM, Marcello Romani wrote: >> >> Il 03/02/2014 13:21, IOmazic ha scritto: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> is it possible that you share this tools for windows? I will need to >>> install >>> it to around 450 pc, so it will be cool to have some tool to do all >>> modification needed. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Ivan Omazic >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Ivan Omazic >>> IT Assistant / Technical Lead >>> ioma...@wmo.int >>> +41 22 730 81 55 >>> +41 79 918 34 26 >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >>> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-deployment-tp4077035p4095225.html >>> Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >> >> This might prove a useful starting point: >> >> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=28765&start=0 >> > > Why are people still sending others to the OpenOffice.org web site for > information about LibreOffice? > > For this posted need, I remember hearing about "deployment" of LO on a LO > web page. Although LO was a fork of OOo from several years ago, it is > "grown" past those roots now. If we do not have the needed documentation > now, we should really make it a priority to set up a web site/page to talk > about IT management deployment of LO, including network based. > > The current AOO/OOo web site should not be the place where people go to get > information about LO. From a marketing aspect, this could lead business > users to think we are not the package to use, but AOO is. That is wrong way > of doing "business". > > SO, just from the marketing aspect to businesses, this needs to be resolved. > From the typical user, this could be an issue as well. > > I stopped using OOo when LO came out. I do not want to have to explain to > users that LO's documentation site[s] is not the place to find the needed > information to migrate/deploy LO to their systems. > > Would you tell the UK tech advisors to not consider LO for the open source > option to using the mandated ODF file format requirements, but to go with > AOO/OOo since we do not have the needed documentation? We would be saying > this if we tell them to go to the OOo web site for the deployment > information. > > I see too many of these postings telling users to go to the OOo site[s] for > the needed information or extension/template download. Yes, there may be > something there that LO currently does not have, but it should not be the > first option. LO needs to rely on LO's sites to give the user the help and > support they need. > > I do not use Nabble, but I would think that there must be a forum there > about business migration and deployment. IF not, then there should be. > > Am I alone in this opinion? > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 'deployment'
YES, F.O.S.S packages share things with other groups, but I really thing business users needs the documentation on LO pages and not OOo pages. These people do not understand about the sharing of information between "friendly competition" FOSS packages and the lack of info due to the package[s] being too "new" or immature to work for them. I really would hope the first place for our users for information would be on a LO site or in LO docs. So I feel we need to have the business information for deployment and migration in the LO wiki system and not ask the business users to go to our "friendly competition" for that info. It just does not look well for us and those who market and support LO to the business users. On 02/03/2014 12:27 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) You are not alone in that opinion but i can see it from other angles too. 1. The way i see it is that LO and AOO are produced by 1 large community. There are quite a few people who work in both or move from 1 to the other and sometimes back again. The mainstream press seems to think we fight and argue constantly and that seems to have boosted coverage for both projects. AOO aims at a slightly different niche from LO although both have a lot of ground in common. It's NOT a case of us against them. It's both of us and others (Caligra/KOffice, Google-docs, AbiWord&Gnumeric etc) acting in "co-operative competition" with/against each other against a dominant market-leader. 2. I copy&pasted one page from OOo's documentation into our own wiki and the original author proof-read it for us. He was more than happy to share the knowledge and help distribute it widely. Since then others have made a better page and Hagar has updated his one in AOO so 'mine' has fallen quite far behind and rarely gets visited now. I'll set it as a redirect to the updated one someday. 3. I agree that business people are probably unfamiliar with the concept of co-operative competition and that it might even scare them off from using either of LO and AOO!! Corporate-types are often timid when in unfamiliar terrain so it's better for us to appear to be easy for them to understand (imo) Regards from Tom :) On 3 February 2014 16:47, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 02/03/2014 08:48 AM, Marcello Romani wrote: Il 03/02/2014 13:21, IOmazic ha scritto: Hi, is it possible that you share this tools for windows? I will need to install it to around 450 pc, so it will be cool to have some tool to do all modification needed. Kind regards, Ivan Omazic - Ivan Omazic IT Assistant / Technical Lead ioma...@wmo.int +41 22 730 81 55 +41 79 918 34 26 -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-deployment-tp4077035p4095225.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. This might prove a useful starting point: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=28765&start=0 Why are people still sending others to the OpenOffice.org web site for information about LibreOffice? For this posted need, I remember hearing about "deployment" of LO on a LO web page. Although LO was a fork of OOo from several years ago, it is "grown" past those roots now. If we do not have the needed documentation now, we should really make it a priority to set up a web site/page to talk about IT management deployment of LO, including network based. The current AOO/OOo web site should not be the place where people go to get information about LO. From a marketing aspect, this could lead business users to think we are not the package to use, but AOO is. That is wrong way of doing "business". SO, just from the marketing aspect to businesses, this needs to be resolved. From the typical user, this could be an issue as well. I stopped using OOo when LO came out. I do not want to have to explain to users that LO's documentation site[s] is not the place to find the needed information to migrate/deploy LO to their systems. Would you tell the UK tech advisors to not consider LO for the open source option to using the mandated ODF file format requirements, but to go with AOO/OOo since we do not have the needed documentation? We would be saying this if we tell them to go to the OOo web site for the deployment information. I see too many of these postings telling users to go to the OOo site[s] for the needed information or extension/template download. Yes, there may be something there that LO currently does not have, but it should not be the first option. LO needs to rely on LO's sites to give the user the help and support they need. I do not use Nabble, but I would think that there must be a forum there about business migration and deployment. IF not, then there should be. Am I alone in this opinion? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 'deployment'
On 02/03/2014 08:48 AM, Marcello Romani wrote: Il 03/02/2014 13:21, IOmazic ha scritto: Hi, is it possible that you share this tools for windows? I will need to install it to around 450 pc, so it will be cool to have some tool to do all modification needed. Kind regards, Ivan Omazic - Ivan Omazic IT Assistant / Technical Lead ioma...@wmo.int +41 22 730 81 55 +41 79 918 34 26 -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-deployment-tp4077035p4095225.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. This might prove a useful starting point: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=28765&start=0 Why are people still sending others to the OpenOffice.org web site for information about LibreOffice? For this posted need, I remember hearing about "deployment" of LO on a LO web page. Although LO was a fork of OOo from several years ago, it is "grown" past those roots now. If we do not have the needed documentation now, we should really make it a priority to set up a web site/page to talk about IT management deployment of LO, including network based. The current AOO/OOo web site should not be the place where people go to get information about LO. From a marketing aspect, this could lead business users to think we are not the package to use, but AOO is. That is wrong way of doing "business". SO, just from the marketing aspect to businesses, this needs to be resolved. From the typical user, this could be an issue as well. I stopped using OOo when LO came out. I do not want to have to explain to users that LO's documentation site[s] is not the place to find the needed information to migrate/deploy LO to their systems. Would you tell the UK tech advisors to not consider LO for the open source option to using the mandated ODF file format requirements, but to go with AOO/OOo since we do not have the needed documentation? We would be saying this if we tell them to go to the OOo web site for the deployment information. I see too many of these postings telling users to go to the OOo site[s] for the needed information or extension/template download. Yes, there may be something there that LO currently does not have, but it should not be the first option. LO needs to rely on LO's sites to give the user the help and support they need. I do not use Nabble, but I would think that there must be a forum there about business migration and deployment. IF not, then there should be. Am I alone in this opinion? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 'deployment'
@Ivan, >From: IOmazic >Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 6:21 AM > >is it possible that you share this tools for windows? I will need to install >it to around 450 pc, so it will be cool to have some tool to do all >modification needed. Since LibreOffice is packaged for installation using Microsoft Installer (msiexec.exe) you have a lot of options for doing the installation. You can directly modify the installer package with Microsofts ORCA utility. You can run /A administrative install to a network share and modify the resulting .msi installer, or apply a transform against it. Or you can do either and push with GPO or SCCM deployment. Point is the standard tools for Windows software deployment all work pretty well with the way that Andras Timar and others have packaged the builds. Stuart -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 'deployment'
Il 03/02/2014 13:21, IOmazic ha scritto: Hi, is it possible that you share this tools for windows? I will need to install it to around 450 pc, so it will be cool to have some tool to do all modification needed. Kind regards, Ivan Omazic - Ivan Omazic IT Assistant / Technical Lead ioma...@wmo.int +41 22 730 81 55 +41 79 918 34 26 -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-deployment-tp4077035p4095225.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. This might prove a useful starting point: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=28765&start=0 -- Marcello Romani -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 'deployment'
Hi, is it possible that you share this tools for windows? I will need to install it to around 450 pc, so it will be cool to have some tool to do all modification needed. Kind regards, Ivan Omazic - Ivan Omazic IT Assistant / Technical Lead ioma...@wmo.int +41 22 730 81 55 +41 79 918 34 26 -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-deployment-tp4077035p4095225.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
