Re: [libreoffice-users] Which template categories are built-in, how to name custom ones?
Hi :) Yes, Regina's answer was much better. As always. There are a few things that are not quite perfect in LibreOffice and people have sometimes managed to get so annoyed about a certain thing that they do re-write it and that improves the project for a lot of people. I thought that this might be one of those times but Regina's answer kinda hints that the templates categories is not such a mess after all. I found it best to avoid templates in MS Office and have carried that on into LO but it sounds like they are worth trying in LO. The same was true with styles which are a huge help for me in LO. Regards from Tom :) --- On Mon, 23/7/12, Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote: From: Friedrich W. H. Kossebau Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Which template categories are built-in, how to name custom ones? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Monday, 23 July, 2012, 23:52 Hi Tom, Am Sonntag, 22. Juli 2012, 13:26:23 schrieb Tom Davies: > Hi :) > I think the Docs Team discussed the issue a couple of years ago but i think > changing it would be tons of hard work for very little gain. > > I think the names grew almost organically over the previous decade so i > don't think there is a coherent and consistent decision about the names > chosen. I can't really imagine the devs list being particularly interested > or if they are their new choices might not be brilliant either. > > It might be worth contacting the devs list to find out how to change the > names and then perhaps join the docs team to find out if they have good > naming schemes or even just a few good general ideas Well, I have been basically curious how to do my own custom categories, not enforcing them on all LO users :) > Just my 2cents as it sounds like you have a good plan already. Yes, and after Regina's reply an even better one. Still thanks for your 2cents :) Cheers Friedrich -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which template categories are built-in, how to name custom ones?
Hi Tom, Am Sonntag, 22. Juli 2012, 13:26:23 schrieb Tom Davies: > Hi :) > I think the Docs Team discussed the issue a couple of years ago but i think > changing it would be tons of hard work for very little gain. > > I think the names grew almost organically over the previous decade so i > don't think there is a coherent and consistent decision about the names > chosen. I can't really imagine the devs list being particularly interested > or if they are their new choices might not be brilliant either. > > It might be worth contacting the devs list to find out how to change the > names and then perhaps join the docs team to find out if they have good > naming schemes or even just a few good general ideas Well, I have been basically curious how to do my own custom categories, not enforcing them on all LO users :) > Just my 2cents as it sounds like you have a good plan already. Yes, and after Regina's reply an even better one. Still thanks for your 2cents :) Cheers Friedrich -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which template categories are built-in, how to name custom ones?
Hi Regina, Am Sonntag, 22. Juli 2012, 15:54:37 schrieb Regina Henschel: > Hi Friedrich, > > Friedrich W. H. Kossebau schrieb: > > Hi, > > > > Am Dienstag, 10. Juli 2012, 09:04:54 schrieb Friedrich W. H. Kossebau: > >> I need help with understanding how the naming of the template categories > >> is > >> done, especially for custom categories. I have basically 2 questions, > >> listed at the end. > >> > >> I found > >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/b/b1/Non-coding_extensions- > >> final.odp from the LO Conference in Paris last year, from which I learnt > >> that these are the built-in (as in: translated) categories: > >> > >> officorr → “Business Correspondence” > >> offimisc → “Other Business Documents” > >> personal → “Personal Correspondence and Documents” > >> forms → “Forms and Contracts” > >> finance → “Finances” > >> educate → “Education” > >> layout → “Presentation Backgrounds” > >> presnt → “Presentations” > >> misc → “Miscellaneous” > > Yes, those are defined in > http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sfx2/source/doc/doctempl.src > They are translated via the normal translation process via po-file. Ah, good, thanks for the pointer. So "labels" is now actually also a built-in category, that is why it is translated. > >> And to give custom categories nice names, one should put into the > >> language > >> or "common" directory a file .nametranslation.table which has > >> "folder=Name" > >> entries for all the custom category folders. > > There has also been a file groupuinames.xml in the template folder. So seems .nametranslation.table is no longer used and now it's that groupuinames.xml, good hint, did not come across that before. > >> Tried that but without success: I added a custom folder in > >> /usr/share/templates/libreoffice/de named "nametest", added a few > >> templates > >> there and put a file .nametranslation.table in > >> /usr/share/templates/libreoffice/de, with this content > >> --- 8< --- > >> [TRANSLATIONNAMES] > >> nametest=Naming Test > >> --- 8< --- > >> > >> But as you can see in the attached screenshot, the folder only appears as > >> "nametest", not "Naming Test". > >> > >> Q1: What am I doing wrong here? (LibreOffice 3.5.3.2 on openSUSE > >> Tumbleweed) > >> > >> > >> openSUSE by default also installed a package with labels, libreoffice- > >> templates-labels-a4, which are placed in common/labels, so for the > >> non-built- in category "labels". Still the templates dialog has a full > >> translated name for it, "Etiketten". > >> > >> Q2: How does the custom category folder "labels" get its translation > >> "Etiketten"? > > Have you already searched for "Etiketten"? That should find only few > file candidates. See, I was expecting "labels" to be a custom category, so looked at the wrong places :) > > No one here any clue? Do I better ask on the developer list? > > Yes. I guess you will deploy such a template package. > > If only you want a nice name, do not use the way to generate a new > category via File > Templates > Organize. But simply create a sub-folder > in the templates folder. It will be recognized when restart. The folder > name is directly used as template category, at least on WinXP. Keep in > mind, that sub-sub-folder is not possible. Sure. Going via the filesystem directory name I was already successful in before, it was just that I was curious how translation works (for filesystems not okay with non-latin1 characters), in case I need it. Thanks for your answers, have been helpful to me :) Cheers Friedrich -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which template categories are built-in, how to name custom ones?
Hi Friedrich, Friedrich W. H. Kossebau schrieb: Hi, Am Dienstag, 10. Juli 2012, 09:04:54 schrieb Friedrich W. H. Kossebau: I need help with understanding how the naming of the template categories is done, especially for custom categories. I have basically 2 questions, listed at the end. I found http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/b/b1/Non-coding_extensions- final.odp from the LO Conference in Paris last year, from which I learnt that these are the built-in (as in: translated) categories: officorr → “Business Correspondence” offimisc → “Other Business Documents” personal → “Personal Correspondence and Documents” forms → “Forms and Contracts” finance → “Finances” educate → “Education” layout → “Presentation Backgrounds” presnt → “Presentations” misc → “Miscellaneous” Yes, those are defined in http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sfx2/source/doc/doctempl.src They are translated via the normal translation process via po-file. And to give custom categories nice names, one should put into the language or "common" directory a file .nametranslation.table which has "folder=Name" entries for all the custom category folders. There has also been a file groupuinames.xml in the template folder. Tried that but without success: I added a custom folder in /usr/share/templates/libreoffice/de named "nametest", added a few templates there and put a file .nametranslation.table in /usr/share/templates/libreoffice/de, with this content --- 8< --- [TRANSLATIONNAMES] nametest=Naming Test --- 8< --- But as you can see in the attached screenshot, the folder only appears as "nametest", not "Naming Test". Q1: What am I doing wrong here? (LibreOffice 3.5.3.2 on openSUSE Tumbleweed) openSUSE by default also installed a package with labels, libreoffice- templates-labels-a4, which are placed in common/labels, so for the non-built- in category "labels". Still the templates dialog has a full translated name for it, "Etiketten". Q2: How does the custom category folder "labels" get its translation "Etiketten"? Have you already searched for "Etiketten"? That should find only few file candidates. No one here any clue? Do I better ask on the developer list? Yes. I guess you will deploy such a template package. If only you want a nice name, do not use the way to generate a new category via File > Templates > Organize. But simply create a sub-folder in the templates folder. It will be recognized when restart. The folder name is directly used as template category, at least on WinXP. Keep in mind, that sub-sub-folder is not possible. Kind regards Regina -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which template categories are built-in, how to name custom ones?
Hi :) I think the Docs Team discussed the issue a couple of years ago but i think changing it would be tons of hard work for very little gain. I think the names grew almost organically over the previous decade so i don't think there is a coherent and consistent decision about the names chosen. I can't really imagine the devs list being particularly interested or if they are their new choices might not be brilliant either. It might be worth contacting the devs list to find out how to change the names and then perhaps join the docs team to find out if they have good naming schemes or even just a few good general ideas Just my 2cents as it sounds like you have a good plan already. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 22/7/12, Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote: From: Friedrich W. H. Kossebau Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Which template categories are built-in, how to name custom ones? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Sunday, 22 July, 2012, 0:58 Hi, Am Dienstag, 10. Juli 2012, 09:04:54 schrieb Friedrich W. H. Kossebau: > I need help with understanding how the naming of the template categories is > done, especially for custom categories. I have basically 2 questions, listed > at the end. > > I found > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/b/b1/Non-coding_extensions- > final.odp from the LO Conference in Paris last year, from which I learnt > that these are the built-in (as in: translated) categories: > > officorr → “Business Correspondence” > offimisc → “Other Business Documents” > personal → “Personal Correspondence and Documents” > forms → “Forms and Contracts” > finance → “Finances” > educate → “Education” > layout → “Presentation Backgrounds” > presnt → “Presentations” > misc → “Miscellaneous” > > And to give custom categories nice names, one should put into the language > or "common" directory a file .nametranslation.table which has "folder=Name" > entries for all the custom category folders. > > Tried that but without success: I added a custom folder in > /usr/share/templates/libreoffice/de named "nametest", added a few templates > there and put a file .nametranslation.table in > /usr/share/templates/libreoffice/de, with this content > --- 8< --- > [TRANSLATIONNAMES] > nametest=Naming Test > --- 8< --- > > But as you can see in the attached screenshot, the folder only appears as > "nametest", not "Naming Test". > > Q1: What am I doing wrong here? (LibreOffice 3.5.3.2 on openSUSE Tumbleweed) > > > openSUSE by default also installed a package with labels, libreoffice- > templates-labels-a4, which are placed in common/labels, so for the > non-built- in category "labels". Still the templates dialog has a full > translated name for it, "Etiketten". > > Q2: How does the custom category folder "labels" get its translation > "Etiketten"? No one here any clue? Do I better ask on the developer list? Cheers Friedrich -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which template categories are built-in, how to name custom ones?
Hi, Am Dienstag, 10. Juli 2012, 09:04:54 schrieb Friedrich W. H. Kossebau: > I need help with understanding how the naming of the template categories is > done, especially for custom categories. I have basically 2 questions, listed > at the end. > > I found > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/b/b1/Non-coding_extensions- > final.odp from the LO Conference in Paris last year, from which I learnt > that these are the built-in (as in: translated) categories: > > officorr → “Business Correspondence” > offimisc → “Other Business Documents” > personal → “Personal Correspondence and Documents” > forms → “Forms and Contracts” > finance → “Finances” > educate → “Education” > layout → “Presentation Backgrounds” > presnt → “Presentations” > misc → “Miscellaneous” > > And to give custom categories nice names, one should put into the language > or "common" directory a file .nametranslation.table which has "folder=Name" > entries for all the custom category folders. > > Tried that but without success: I added a custom folder in > /usr/share/templates/libreoffice/de named "nametest", added a few templates > there and put a file .nametranslation.table in > /usr/share/templates/libreoffice/de, with this content > --- 8< --- > [TRANSLATIONNAMES] > nametest=Naming Test > --- 8< --- > > But as you can see in the attached screenshot, the folder only appears as > "nametest", not "Naming Test". > > Q1: What am I doing wrong here? (LibreOffice 3.5.3.2 on openSUSE Tumbleweed) > > > openSUSE by default also installed a package with labels, libreoffice- > templates-labels-a4, which are placed in common/labels, so for the > non-built- in category "labels". Still the templates dialog has a full > translated name for it, "Etiketten". > > Q2: How does the custom category folder "labels" get its translation > "Etiketten"? No one here any clue? Do I better ask on the developer list? Cheers Friedrich -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Which template categories are built-in, how to name custom ones?
Hi, I need help with understanding how the naming of the template categories is done, especially for custom categories. I have basically 2 questions, listed at the end. I found http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/b/b1/Non-coding_extensions- final.odp from the LO Conference in Paris last year, from which I learnt that these are the built-in (as in: translated) categories: officorr → “Business Correspondence” offimisc → “Other Business Documents” personal → “Personal Correspondence and Documents” forms → “Forms and Contracts” finance → “Finances” educate → “Education” layout → “Presentation Backgrounds” presnt → “Presentations” misc → “Miscellaneous” And to give custom categories nice names, one should put into the language or "common" directory a file .nametranslation.table which has "folder=Name" entries for all the custom category folders. Tried that but without success: I added a custom folder in /usr/share/templates/libreoffice/de named "nametest", added a few templates there and put a file .nametranslation.table in /usr/share/templates/libreoffice/de, with this content --- 8< --- [TRANSLATIONNAMES] nametest=Naming Test --- 8< --- But as you can see in the attached screenshot, the folder only appears as "nametest", not "Naming Test". Q1: What am I doing wrong here? (LibreOffice 3.5.3.2 on openSUSE Tumbleweed) openSUSE by default also installed a package with labels, libreoffice- templates-labels-a4, which are placed in common/labels, so for the non-built- in category "labels". Still the templates dialog has a full translated name for it, "Etiketten". Q2: How does the custom category folder "labels" get its translation "Etiketten"? Cheers Friedrich -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
