Re: [libreoffice-users] Insert Special Characters
Den mån 1 maj 2023 kl 14:09 skrev Mike Flannigan :
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> AutoHotKey might work for you, but I find it difficult.
>
I find it a bit confusing a lot of times, but for easy tasks like creating
phrases for special characters it can be straight forward. I'm not at work
now, so I don't have Windows and AutoHotKey available, but for instance for
a π character, a line like this would do the trick:
:*:.pi::π
So when loaded this, ”.pi” will be replaced with ”π” as soon as the ”i” in
”.pi” is entered.
In AutoKey script is done in Python, but phrases can be made directly. Just
enter the ”π” in the big text field and select ”Clipboard (Ctrl+V)” in
”Paste using” (for characters that are not on the keyboard by default).
To do the same thing with a simple Python script, try this:
keyboard.send_keys("π")
Kind regards
Johnny Rosenberg
You might find a clipboard manager easier to us.
> I use CopyQ on Linux. Copy, and then pin it to the list.
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> Mike
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> On 5/1/23 05:27, users+h...@global.libreoffice.org wrote:
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> > Re: [libreoffice-users] Insert Special Characters
> > From:
> > Jonathan Allen
> > Date:
> > 5/1/23, 01:52
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> > To:
> > Johnny Rosenberg
> > CC:
> > users@global.libreoffice.org
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> >
> > Johnny,
> >
> >> Another option would be to use something like AutoKey (on Linux) or
> >> AutoHotKey (on Windows) to type those characters for you, or if you use
> >> Linux you can just use the Compose key (a lot of information about that
> >> online).
> > Thank you - I will check that out. It sounds useful.
> >
> > Jonathan
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Insert Special Characters
AutoHotKey might work for you, but I find it difficult. You might find a clipboard manager easier to us. I use CopyQ on Linux. Copy, and then pin it to the list. Mike On 5/1/23 05:27, users+h...@global.libreoffice.org wrote: Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Insert Special Characters From: Jonathan Allen Date: 5/1/23, 01:52 To: Johnny Rosenberg CC: users@global.libreoffice.org Johnny, Another option would be to use something like AutoKey (on Linux) or AutoHotKey (on Windows) to type those characters for you, or if you use Linux you can just use the Compose key (a lot of information about that online). Thank you - I will check that out. It sounds useful. Jonathan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Insert Special Characters
On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 17:14:34 +
"W. Robert J. Funnell, Prof." wrote:
Hello Prof.,
> you click on Cancel to exit from the dialogue.
Clicking cancel should, in my opinion, undo the insertions made and
exit. OTOH, the only other option is insert, which enters the last
character again.
Neither option, or their results, are optimal in this use case.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Insert Special Characters
Johnny, > Another option would be to use something like AutoKey (on Linux) or > AutoHotKey (on Windows) to type those characters for you, or if you use > Linux you can just use the Compose key (a lot of information about that > online). Thank you - I will check that out. It sounds useful. Jonathan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Insert Special Characters
Dear Robert, > When you double-click, the character is inserted immediately and > you stay in the Special Characters dialogue, so you can then just > double-click the next character(s). Ah, I had missed that completely. Thank you. That does make it almost sane again. > When you're done, you click on Cancel to exit from the dialogue. > At least that's what's happening for me in LO 7.3.2.2. That makes sense now you describe it in full. Jonathan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Insert Special Characters
This portable freeware does the job: https://www.azhagi.com/ (In case of link problems, that is https: followed by www.azhagi.com ) It enables you to type text in almost any language (or combination of languages) into almost any application. It's harmless and self-contained: it doesn't change any settings in the system or in any application. It only affects the keyboard, and only when you explicitly turn it on. <https://www.azhagi.com/alec.php> The software was originally created to handle languages of the Indian subcontinent, but some linguaholic übernerd added keyboard mappings for lots of other languages, here: https://www.azhagi.com/alec.php (In case of link problems, that is https: followed by www.azhagi.com<http://www.azhagi.com/>/alec.php ) Without needing to click anything, you can type pretty much all the Latin-alphabet languages with a single keyboard layout. (Sic.) The layout is designed to be easy to remember, so you won't need a crib sheet after the first couple of times. For example, once you've learned how to add an acute accent to a letter, you can use the same key-presses to add an acute accent to any letter, in any language, that can take an acute accent, e.g.: á É ń Ś ẃ Ĺ ź ǽ etc. Best wishes, Alec From: Johnny Rosenberg Sent: 30 April 2023 18:02 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Insert Special Characters Den sön 30 apr. 2023 kl 19:08 skrev Jonathan Allen < jonat...@barumtrading.co.uk>: > Dear Harald, > > > I think they changed it to make it easier. > > >Double-click on a special character will insert it into the document.< > > Yes, I read that. But it doesn't make it easier - in fact it makes > it much more difficult. Before I could single click on anything > between 1-10 (or more) characters in the character map, then click > 'Insert' and the whole string was dropped neatly into my document. > Now I have to double click each character (and vowel-point/accent) > in turn, then re-enter Insert Special Character. Not a clever choice. > > Jonathan > > Another option would be to use something like AutoKey (on Linux) or AutoHotKey (on Windows) to type those characters for you, or if you use Linux you can just use the Compose key (a lot of information about that online). If you haven't heard of AutoKey or AutoHotKey, they make it possible to create shortcuts to special characters and whole phrases. For instance you could create a phrase with the ℃ character and insert it by typing degC or something. I use both all the time (AutoKey at home and AutoHotKey at work, since my job computer unfortunately only have Windows), and I find them extremely useful for a lot of things. The advantage of using Autokey or AutoHotKey is that you can insert your special characters and phrases anywhere, not only in LibreOffice. Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.libreoffice.org%2Fget-help%2Fmailing-lists%2Fhow-to-unsubscribe%2F=05%7C01%7Ct.a.mcallister%40leeds.ac.uk%7Cc7b7d4fb99d54515c07e08db49a5347c%7Cbdeaeda8c81d45ce863e5232a535b7cb%7C1%7C0%7C638184746123982759%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=dFmYRkXSG333OKOBvacEBD4gVJ6pzOHJb%2BLno905S0I%3D=0<https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/> > Posting guidelines + more: > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.documentfoundation.org%2FNetiquette=05%7C01%7Ct.a.mcallister%40leeds.ac.uk%7Cc7b7d4fb99d54515c07e08db49a5347c%7Cbdeaeda8c81d45ce863e5232a535b7cb%7C1%7C0%7C638184746123982759%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=ocqTbCbgABaHt8Rzc%2Be0J9RbWDXXZCTpYLf41Q5POK8%3D=0<https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette> > List archive: > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flistarchives.libreoffice.org%2Fglobal%2Fusers%2F=05%7C01%7Ct.a.mcallister%40leeds.ac.uk%7Cc7b7d4fb99d54515c07e08db49a5347c%7Cbdeaeda8c81d45ce863e5232a535b7cb%7C1%7C0%7C638184746123982759%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=y6Bsp0pbG8MWRKPMn0RiV7eYbMaUj1UYynOSvZGK4JE%3D=0<https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/> > Privacy Policy: > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.documentfoundation.org%2Fprivacy=05%7C01%7Ct.a.mcallister%40leeds.ac.uk%7Cc7b7d4fb99d54515c07e08db49a5347c%7Cbdeaeda8c81d45ce863e5232a535b7cb%7C1%7C0%7C638184746124138988%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=nX4XtdX16crfWmf3rH
Re: [libreoffice-users] Insert Special Characters
Jonathan - When you double-click, the character is inserted immediately and you stay in the Special Characters dialogue, so you can then just double-click the next character(s). When you're done, you click on Cancel to exit from the dialogue. At least that's what's happening for me in LO 7.3.2.2. - Robert From: Jonathan Allen Sent: April 30, 2023 13:07 To: lo.harald.ber...@t-online.de Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Insert Special Characters ... > Now I have to double click each character (and vowel-point/accent) > in turn, then re-enter Insert Special Character. Not a clever choice. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Insert Special Characters
Jonathan - You can get almost the same behaviour as you were used to by double-clicking on each character. - Robert From: Jonathan Allen Sent: April 30, 2023 12:32 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Insert Special Characters Hi, I have just taken an upgrde (with Linux Mint) from LO 5.something to 7.3.7.2. Lots of good things, but I'm really upset about the way Insert Special Characters has changed. I used to be able to enter a long string (one or more words) in Hebrew or Greek characters, with them being compiled in a box below the character set, then hit 'insert' to put the whole thing into my document. Now, it seems as though I have to do it one character at a time, which is much more time-consuming. If there any way to get the old behaviour? Jonathan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Insert Special Characters
On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 11:51:41 -0500
Michael H wrote:
Hello Michael,
>The lack of control on what gets changed seems to be the undoing of the
>app.
In fairness, it's not always down to the developers of the application
one happens to be using. Sometimes, it can be as a result of changes in
underlying toolkits and libraries that are being used. IDK whether that
applies in this instance.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Insert Special Characters
Den sön 30 apr. 2023 kl 19:08 skrev Jonathan Allen < jonat...@barumtrading.co.uk>: > Dear Harald, > > > I think they changed it to make it easier. > > >Double-click on a special character will insert it into the document.< > > Yes, I read that. But it doesn't make it easier - in fact it makes > it much more difficult. Before I could single click on anything > between 1-10 (or more) characters in the character map, then click > 'Insert' and the whole string was dropped neatly into my document. > Now I have to double click each character (and vowel-point/accent) > in turn, then re-enter Insert Special Character. Not a clever choice. > > Jonathan > > Another option would be to use something like AutoKey (on Linux) or AutoHotKey (on Windows) to type those characters for you, or if you use Linux you can just use the Compose key (a lot of information about that online). If you haven't heard of AutoKey or AutoHotKey, they make it possible to create shortcuts to special characters and whole phrases. For instance you could create a phrase with the ℃ character and insert it by typing degC or something. I use both all the time (AutoKey at home and AutoHotKey at work, since my job computer unfortunately only have Windows), and I find them extremely useful for a lot of things. The advantage of using Autokey or AutoHotKey is that you can insert your special characters and phrases anywhere, not only in LibreOffice. Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Insert Special Characters
Dear Harald, > I think they changed it to make it easier. > >Double-click on a special character will insert it into the document.< Yes, I read that. But it doesn't make it easier - in fact it makes it much more difficult. Before I could single click on anything between 1-10 (or more) characters in the character map, then click 'Insert' and the whole string was dropped neatly into my document. Now I have to double click each character (and vowel-point/accent) in turn, then re-enter Insert Special Character. Not a clever choice. Jonathan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Insert Special Characters
You are welcome here: https://www.libreoffice.org/community/get-involved/ Am 30.04.2023 um 18:51 schrieb Michael H: What determines whether a change like this is a good idea? I mean, I see over time lots of discussion about implemented changes that seem to have huge retrograde effects on the ability to create, and only make sense in the terms of UI or ease of maintenance. (Or if you want to go a step further, only makes sense for spies from a competing product to insert to break the user base I don't mean this specific change... just the area of "why did it work before and now doesn't?" changes that are intentionally created.) Is there any forward looking consideration to these discussions that complain about already implemented changes being so awful? Is anyone doing a learning check on successful changes that generate these kind of complaints? The lack of control on what gets changed seems to be the undoing of the app. On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 11:41 AM wrote: Hi Jonathan, I think they changed it to make it easier. >Double-click on a special character will insert it into the document.< See also: https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-GB/text/shared/01/0410.html Kind regards Harald Am 30.04.2023 um 18:32 schrieb Jonathan Allen: Hi, I have just taken an upgrde (with Linux Mint) from LO 5.something to 7.3.7.2. Lots of good things, but I'm really upset about the way Insert Special Characters has changed. I used to be able to enter a long string (one or more words) in Hebrew or Greek characters, with them being compiled in a box below the character set, then hit 'insert' to put the whole thing into my document. Now, it seems as though I have to do it one character at a time, which is much more time-consuming. If there any way to get the old behaviour? Jonathan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Insert Special Characters
What determines whether a change like this is a good idea? I mean, I see over time lots of discussion about implemented changes that seem to have huge retrograde effects on the ability to create, and only make sense in the terms of UI or ease of maintenance. (Or if you want to go a step further, only makes sense for spies from a competing product to insert to break the user base I don't mean this specific change... just the area of "why did it work before and now doesn't?" changes that are intentionally created.) Is there any forward looking consideration to these discussions that complain about already implemented changes being so awful? Is anyone doing a learning check on successful changes that generate these kind of complaints? The lack of control on what gets changed seems to be the undoing of the app. On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 11:41 AM wrote: > Hi Jonathan, > > I think they changed it to make it easier. > >Double-click on a special character will insert it into the document.< > > See also: > https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-GB/text/shared/01/0410.html > > Kind regards > Harald > > Am 30.04.2023 um 18:32 schrieb Jonathan Allen: > > Hi, > > > > I have just taken an upgrde (with Linux Mint) from LO 5.something to > > 7.3.7.2. Lots of good things, but I'm really upset about the way > > Insert Special Characters has changed. I used to be able to enter > > a long string (one or more words) in Hebrew or Greek characters, > > with them being compiled in a box below the character set, then hit > > 'insert' to put the whole thing into my document. Now, it seems as > > though I have to do it one character at a time, which is much more > > time-consuming. If there any way to get the old behaviour? > > > > Jonathan > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Insert Special Characters
Hi Jonathan, I think they changed it to make it easier. >Double-click on a special character will insert it into the document.< See also: https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-GB/text/shared/01/0410.html Kind regards Harald Am 30.04.2023 um 18:32 schrieb Jonathan Allen: Hi, I have just taken an upgrde (with Linux Mint) from LO 5.something to 7.3.7.2. Lots of good things, but I'm really upset about the way Insert Special Characters has changed. I used to be able to enter a long string (one or more words) in Hebrew or Greek characters, with them being compiled in a box below the character set, then hit 'insert' to put the whole thing into my document. Now, it seems as though I have to do it one character at a time, which is much more time-consuming. If there any way to get the old behaviour? Jonathan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-users] Insert Special Characters
Hi, I have just taken an upgrde (with Linux Mint) from LO 5.something to 7.3.7.2. Lots of good things, but I'm really upset about the way Insert Special Characters has changed. I used to be able to enter a long string (one or more words) in Hebrew or Greek characters, with them being compiled in a box below the character set, then hit 'insert' to put the whole thing into my document. Now, it seems as though I have to do it one character at a time, which is much more time-consuming. If there any way to get the old behaviour? Jonathan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] insert special characters
On 2018/08/22 17:30, Brian Barker wrote: At 11:31 22/08/2018 +0900, you wrote: In the office I do: Alt+P -> open special character dialog -> select a character -> Enter Is that Alt+I, P? It is Alt+P. Since I do not recall having set this shortcut key, I believe it is the default setting. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-users] insert special characters
Good morning At home I am using LibreOffice 6.0.5.2 (Windows 10) In my office I use a little older version (not sure about that version number). In the office I do: Alt+P -> open special character dialog -> select a character -> Enter When I repeat this operation a little later and want to use the SAME character, it used to be selected already and all I had to do was press Enter. At home this does not work any more. I have to repeat to entire procedure: Alt+P -> open special character dialog -> select a character -> Enter. Is this an "improvement" (of obscure meaning) I have to live with, or is there a trick that would give me the functionality I am enjoying in my office? Thank you. Thomas -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-users] Insert > Special Characters
Running LO Still on WS 2k12 in a thin client, multi user environment without Java. Upgraded to LO 5.1.6.2 and almost immediately noticed that Writer would shut down "LibreOffice - Fatal Error" if I attempted to open the Special Character dialogue from the menu. If i tried opening it from the toolbar LO would freeze, to the point where task manager needs to be used to shut it down. * Swapped out my "User Profile", no change. * Tried as other users, same issue. Last night I rolled back to 5.0.4.2 and tested it as Administrator. Special Characters worked with no issues from a thin client. I always do updates and rollbacks in Admin "change user /install" mode from a thin client. I logged in this morning on my normal user account started 5.0.4.2 and still have the same crash issue. I can't remember when i last used special characters but it would have been on 5.0.4.2 before the update to 5.1.6.2. I generally update quarterly between school terms so 5.0.4.2 would have been running since September - October. I just retested and it works as admin but not any other user. I will leave this up 2 days for suggestions before writing a bugzilla report. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
