Re: [libreoffice-users] shortcut keys for LibreOffice under Linux
On 08/13/2014 09:00 PM, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: (2014/08/13 23:26), Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It's not clear which DE is being used in Mint. It is Mint 17 Cinnamon. (File) Tools / Customise - Keyboard tab, will let you look at all the I tried that ... And the "customize" function DOES NOT work. I tried that already. For example, LibreOffice comes with a lot of presets. One is "Navigator", that is assigned to F5 under Windows and Ubuntu. Clicking on the ICON WILL call up the Navigator. But ... the key = F5 does not. It shows brightness adjustment on my Dell Inspiron 1545. NExt I also tried: Delete the key assignment -> reassign to F5 "Navigator". No response. And that goes for all the other keys I tried too. Yet, I am using LibreOffice for work every day. Having thrown this kind of wrench into my engine is not really acceptable, although I like Mint much better than Ubuntu. Linux Mint with MATE seems to work better than Mint with Cinnamon - in my opinion. Ubuntu can have MATE [1.8?] installed as well, but it is getting harder to install onto Ubuntu 14.04, than it was for 13.xx. I run Mint 16 with MATE. I could have run Ubuntu and added MATE, but it is much easier to use Mint with MATE as its default desktop environment. AS for the F5 key on my non-brand desktop running Mint 16 with MATE, pressing it does give my the Navigator. Your Dell is a laptop? I have a Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop. Does it have on the keyboard the symbol/icon showing that that function key is used for brightness control - .i.e. [FN}[F5] with give you that brightness control? To me it seems that Dell hardwired the mapping of that function key and it is showing through to LibreOffice function key options. So it may be the hardware trying to keep control of that function key and not a LibreOffice issue. Cinnamon may have the problem with Dell's control of the function keys. For me, F6 and F10 are grayed out so I cannot modify them.. keyboard shortcuts and change them. The ".config/libreoffice" hidden folder is where such things are saved. I do not know which config file stores the keyboard commands you use to use. I tried to find that file (even though I would not know what to do with it ...) -> the computer says there is not such file. Could there maybe a trick like copying such a configuration file from "somewhere" in Windows or Ubunto to somewhere in Mint?? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shortcut keys for LibreOffice under Linux
Hi Thomas, On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:29:29 +0900 Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: > >>> Paul > >>> > >> I also thought about that already, although I have currently no > >> idea how to change that keyboard behavior. > >> BUT ... if that were true ..would / should LibreOffice not behave > >> in the same way under Ubuntu (Unity desktop), Xubuntu (XFCE) and > >> Mint (Cinnamon)? > >> > >> If I revall correctly (this is an old PC of my daugther), I > >> borrowed it a few years back when I had to spend a week away from > >> home. At that time the PC was running Windows Vista and I used > >> LibreOffice in that environment, but do not remember any such > >> behavior ... > >> > > > Thank you all! > By now I figured out, that you have to combine EVERY function key > with the Fn key. > If you do so, it works. Have not yet tested all possible combinations. > > This is not perfect, but I will still with this, and not go back to > Unity. Not the way I think it is supposed to work, but yes, this is then a laptop issue, not a LibreOffice issue, and most likely not even a Linux Mint issue. I'm almost certain that you will find this same behaviour in all other apps running under your current OS. I don't *think* the OS should affect this, so if you were to reboot into Ubuntu or Windows right now you should experience the same behaviour, but I'm not *absolutely* sure about this. As someone else pointed out, you might be able to change this from the BIOS. In fact, a quick google suggests that this can be changed in the BIOS, so that should be your first stop. Just because it didn't work this way last time you borrowed it from your daughter doesn't really say much. If it is a BIOS setting, it could have been changed in the interim. Or it could be due to a bug in the firmware that has somehow resulted in the default behaviour being flipped. Even a coffee spill on the keyboard could do something like this. I've had similar things happen when I am holding down shift, and some change of focus happens between applications (particularly when I'm working in a virtual OS under VirtualBox), and the shift key becomes "stuck". Maybe a reboot would be all it takes to fix this, although I'm assuming you've rebooted the laptop by now and that this doesn't work. But given my quick googling suggests that this is known behaviour for that make and model and that it can be changed in the BIOS, I would start there. If that doesn't work, you should try googling for the laptop make and model and things like "Fn key stuck" or "Fn key always on" or "Fn key flipped" or something like that. But I'm assuming that the BIOS will provide the answer. Hope you get this sorted. Paul -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shortcut keys for LibreOffice under Linux
Hi :) Errr, i wouldn't have thought of poking around in the bios but it's a brilliant idea! Regards from Tom :) On 14 August 2014 08:36, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > I agree with Jean-Francois Nifenecker that it might be worth poking > around in the Bios. > > It's a scary thing for most normal users but i'm guessing you've already > had a look back when you changed the boot-order to install non-Windows. > So, you already know that you can poke around quite a bit to explore and > then escape without saving changes. > > I tend to use that "Exit without saving changes" to allow me to explore, > exit and then back in again to make the specific changes i want. Also i > find it's worth taking photos of the different screens before making > adjustments or to jot down the changes i make so that if it does go weird i > can get it back to the way it was before without having to take the mbord > battery out to reset it. > > > Windows wont have any effect on anything outside of itself. It can't even > see non-Windows partitions and often claims such things don't exist. > > However there is firmware but that is between the hardware manufacturer > and your machine. It's nothing to do with MS. > > Some distros are better at hardware detection than others. Some prefer > one set of defaults others prefer different configurations. Apparently > Mint is the only one to think that you might prefer the manufacturers > defaults rather than the FOSS ones. > > > An interesting thread! Thanks! :)) > Regards from > Tom :) > > > > > On 14 August 2014 06:29, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: > >> (2014/08/14 12:39), Tim Lloyd wrote: >> >>> I downloaded Mint 17 which is running LO 4.2.3.3. I looked in writer and >>> calc where F5 and F11 were behaving as normal (navigator & styles and >>> formatting). >>> >>> I have noted though that behaviour is not consistent across the distros >>> you have tested which may point at Mint. I can't for the life of me think >>> why though! >>> >>> I was one of the respondents to your post on linuxquestions. A >>> suggestion...let's give it another day for responses to filter through >>> there. If nothing useful comes out, how about asking the linuxquestions >>> admin people to move the post to the mint forum? I think reps of the distro >>> hang around at that forum so may be able to advise one way or the other. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> >>> On 14/08/14 12:31, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: >>> (2014/08/14 10:55), Paul wrote: > Hi Thomas, > > > > > Paul > > I also thought about that already, although I have currently no idea how to change that keyboard behavior. BUT ... if that were true ..would / should LibreOffice not behave in the same way under Ubuntu (Unity desktop), Xubuntu (XFCE) and Mint (Cinnamon)? If I revall correctly (this is an old PC of my daugther), I borrowed it a few years back when I had to spend a week away from home. At that time the PC was running Windows Vista and I used LibreOffice in that environment, but do not remember any such behavior ... >>> Thank you all! >> By now I figured out, that you have to combine EVERY function key with >> the Fn key. >> If you do so, it works. Have not yet tested all possible combinations. >> >> This is not perfect, but I will still with this, and not go back to Unity. >> >> >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- >> unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> >> > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shortcut keys for LibreOffice under Linux
Hi :) I agree with Jean-Francois Nifenecker that it might be worth poking around in the Bios. It's a scary thing for most normal users but i'm guessing you've already had a look back when you changed the boot-order to install non-Windows. So, you already know that you can poke around quite a bit to explore and then escape without saving changes. I tend to use that "Exit without saving changes" to allow me to explore, exit and then back in again to make the specific changes i want. Also i find it's worth taking photos of the different screens before making adjustments or to jot down the changes i make so that if it does go weird i can get it back to the way it was before without having to take the mbord battery out to reset it. Windows wont have any effect on anything outside of itself. It can't even see non-Windows partitions and often claims such things don't exist. However there is firmware but that is between the hardware manufacturer and your machine. It's nothing to do with MS. Some distros are better at hardware detection than others. Some prefer one set of defaults others prefer different configurations. Apparently Mint is the only one to think that you might prefer the manufacturers defaults rather than the FOSS ones. An interesting thread! Thanks! :)) Regards from Tom :) On 14 August 2014 06:29, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: > (2014/08/14 12:39), Tim Lloyd wrote: > >> I downloaded Mint 17 which is running LO 4.2.3.3. I looked in writer and >> calc where F5 and F11 were behaving as normal (navigator & styles and >> formatting). >> >> I have noted though that behaviour is not consistent across the distros >> you have tested which may point at Mint. I can't for the life of me think >> why though! >> >> I was one of the respondents to your post on linuxquestions. A >> suggestion...let's give it another day for responses to filter through >> there. If nothing useful comes out, how about asking the linuxquestions >> admin people to move the post to the mint forum? I think reps of the distro >> hang around at that forum so may be able to advise one way or the other. >> >> Cheers >> >> >> On 14/08/14 12:31, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: >> >>> (2014/08/14 10:55), Paul wrote: >>> Hi Thomas, Paul I also thought about that already, although I have currently no idea >>> how to change that keyboard behavior. >>> BUT ... if that were true ..would / should LibreOffice not behave in the >>> same way under Ubuntu (Unity desktop), Xubuntu (XFCE) and Mint (Cinnamon)? >>> >>> If I revall correctly (this is an old PC of my daugther), I borrowed it >>> a few years back when I had to spend a week away from home. >>> At that time the PC was running Windows Vista and I used LibreOffice in >>> that environment, but do not remember any such behavior ... >>> >>> >> Thank you all! > By now I figured out, that you have to combine EVERY function key with the > Fn key. > If you do so, it works. Have not yet tested all possible combinations. > > This is not perfect, but I will still with this, and not go back to Unity. > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- > unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shortcut keys for LibreOffice under Linux
(2014/08/14 12:39), Tim Lloyd wrote: I downloaded Mint 17 which is running LO 4.2.3.3. I looked in writer and calc where F5 and F11 were behaving as normal (navigator & styles and formatting). I have noted though that behaviour is not consistent across the distros you have tested which may point at Mint. I can't for the life of me think why though! I was one of the respondents to your post on linuxquestions. A suggestion...let's give it another day for responses to filter through there. If nothing useful comes out, how about asking the linuxquestions admin people to move the post to the mint forum? I think reps of the distro hang around at that forum so may be able to advise one way or the other. Cheers On 14/08/14 12:31, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: (2014/08/14 10:55), Paul wrote: Hi Thomas, Paul I also thought about that already, although I have currently no idea how to change that keyboard behavior. BUT ... if that were true ..would / should LibreOffice not behave in the same way under Ubuntu (Unity desktop), Xubuntu (XFCE) and Mint (Cinnamon)? If I revall correctly (this is an old PC of my daugther), I borrowed it a few years back when I had to spend a week away from home. At that time the PC was running Windows Vista and I used LibreOffice in that environment, but do not remember any such behavior ... Thank you all! By now I figured out, that you have to combine EVERY function key with the Fn key. If you do so, it works. Have not yet tested all possible combinations. This is not perfect, but I will still with this, and not go back to Unity. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shortcut keys for LibreOffice under Linux
Le 14/08/2014 04:31, Thomas Blasejewicz a écrit : > I also thought about that already, although I have currently no idea how > to change that keyboard behavior. > BUT ... if that were true ..would / should LibreOffice not behave in the > same way under Ubuntu (Unity desktop), Xubuntu (XFCE) and Mint (Cinnamon)? > it depends. It's a hardware question and the interpretation of the F5 key for brightness management is up to a special driver which the maker provides, or not. On my Thinkpad and under Debian Wheezy, all special keys are working. When I tested earlier versions of otker distos this wasn't the case. > If I revall correctly (this is an old PC of my daugther), I borrowed it > a few years back when I had to spend a week away from home. > At that time the PC was running Windows Vista and I used LibreOffice in > that environment, but do not remember any such behavior ... > > Usually nowadays, laptops have a "Fn" labelled key (lower left part of the keyboard) that allows switching from Special functions keys (brightness, volume, etc.) to normal function keys. On my Thinkpad, the default behaviour is special functions keys. To get the normal function keys I'd have to press the + combination which I found annoying. Fortunately, this behaviour may be toggled in the Thinkpad BIOS, which I did. Now, pressing a function key alone gives me the normal function result and to get any of the extended functionalities I have to press the + combination. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shortcut keys for LibreOffice under Linux
I downloaded Mint 17 which is running LO 4.2.3.3. I looked in writer and calc where F5 and F11 were behaving as normal (navigator & styles and formatting). I have noted though that behaviour is not consistent across the distros you have tested which may point at Mint. I can't for the life of me think why though! I was one of the respondents to your post on linuxquestions. A suggestion...let's give it another day for responses to filter through there. If nothing useful comes out, how about asking the linuxquestions admin people to move the post to the mint forum? I think reps of the distro hang around at that forum so may be able to advise one way or the other. Cheers On 14/08/14 12:31, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: (2014/08/14 10:55), Paul wrote: Hi Thomas, On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 10:00:15 +0900 Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: And the "customize" function DOES NOT work. I tried that already. For example, LibreOffice comes with a lot of presets. One is "Navigator", that is assigned to F5 under Windows and Ubuntu. Clicking on the ICON WILL call up the Navigator. But ... the key = F5 does not. It shows brightness adjustment on my Dell Inspiron 1545. I'm not sure, but this sounds like the laptop is not interpreting the key as an F5 keypress, but as the brightness control keypress. If that's right, this is not a problem with LibreOffice, more a case of the laptop not doing what you expect. I don't know the particular model, but I think it's fairly common for laptops to use some of the function keys to do stuff like that. Often you need to press a button to toggle the mode between function key mode and laptop function mode. Could the problem be something like this? Just a guess. Paul I also thought about that already, although I have currently no idea how to change that keyboard behavior. BUT ... if that were true ..would / should LibreOffice not behave in the same way under Ubuntu (Unity desktop), Xubuntu (XFCE) and Mint (Cinnamon)? If I revall correctly (this is an old PC of my daugther), I borrowed it a few years back when I had to spend a week away from home. At that time the PC was running Windows Vista and I used LibreOffice in that environment, but do not remember any such behavior ... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shortcut keys for LibreOffice under Linux
(2014/08/14 10:55), Paul wrote: Hi Thomas, On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 10:00:15 +0900 Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: And the "customize" function DOES NOT work. I tried that already. For example, LibreOffice comes with a lot of presets. One is "Navigator", that is assigned to F5 under Windows and Ubuntu. Clicking on the ICON WILL call up the Navigator. But ... the key = F5 does not. It shows brightness adjustment on my Dell Inspiron 1545. I'm not sure, but this sounds like the laptop is not interpreting the key as an F5 keypress, but as the brightness control keypress. If that's right, this is not a problem with LibreOffice, more a case of the laptop not doing what you expect. I don't know the particular model, but I think it's fairly common for laptops to use some of the function keys to do stuff like that. Often you need to press a button to toggle the mode between function key mode and laptop function mode. Could the problem be something like this? Just a guess. Paul I also thought about that already, although I have currently no idea how to change that keyboard behavior. BUT ... if that were true ..would / should LibreOffice not behave in the same way under Ubuntu (Unity desktop), Xubuntu (XFCE) and Mint (Cinnamon)? If I revall correctly (this is an old PC of my daugther), I borrowed it a few years back when I had to spend a week away from home. At that time the PC was running Windows Vista and I used LibreOffice in that environment, but do not remember any such behavior ... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shortcut keys for LibreOffice under Linux
Hi Thomas, On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 10:00:15 +0900 Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: > And the "customize" function DOES NOT work. I tried that already. > For example, LibreOffice comes with a lot of presets. One is > "Navigator", that is assigned to F5 under Windows and Ubuntu. > Clicking on the ICON WILL call up the Navigator. > But ... the key = F5 does not. It shows brightness adjustment on my > Dell Inspiron 1545. I'm not sure, but this sounds like the laptop is not interpreting the key as an F5 keypress, but as the brightness control keypress. If that's right, this is not a problem with LibreOffice, more a case of the laptop not doing what you expect. I don't know the particular model, but I think it's fairly common for laptops to use some of the function keys to do stuff like that. Often you need to press a button to toggle the mode between function key mode and laptop function mode. Could the problem be something like this? Just a guess. Paul -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shortcut keys for LibreOffice under Linux
(2014/08/14 10:20), Tim Lloyd wrote: Hi Thomas, You just ran with the version of LO which came with Mint? Sorry for all the questions, I just want to make sure it is the Mint spin (which I have got). Cheers I believe it is the newest: 4.2.4.2 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shortcut keys for LibreOffice under Linux
Hi Thomas, I just installed Mint/Cinnamon as a VM under my Fedora desktop. I'll have a play around later. You just ran with the version of LO which came with Mint? Sorry for all the questions, I just want to make sure it is the Mint spin (which I have got). Cheers On 14/08/14 11:00, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: (2014/08/13 23:26), Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It's not clear which DE is being used in Mint. It is Mint 17 Cinnamon. (File) Tools / Customise - Keyboard tab, will let you look at all the I tried that ... And the "customize" function DOES NOT work. I tried that already. For example, LibreOffice comes with a lot of presets. One is "Navigator", that is assigned to F5 under Windows and Ubuntu. Clicking on the ICON WILL call up the Navigator. But ... the key = F5 does not. It shows brightness adjustment on my Dell Inspiron 1545. NExt I also tried: Delete the key assignment -> reassign to F5 "Navigator". No response. And that goes for all the other keys I tried too. Yet, I am using LibreOffice for work every day. Having thrown this kind of wrench into my engine is not really acceptable, although I like Mint much better than Ubuntu. keyboard shortcuts and change them. The ".config/libreoffice" hidden folder is where such things are saved. I do not know which config file stores the keyboard commands you use to use. I tried to find that file (even though I would not know what to do with it ...) -> the computer says there is not such file. Could there maybe a trick like copying such a configuration file from "somewhere" in Windows or Ubunto to somewhere in Mint?? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shortcut keys for LibreOffice under Linux
(2014/08/13 23:26), Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It's not clear which DE is being used in Mint. It is Mint 17 Cinnamon. (File) Tools / Customise - Keyboard tab, will let you look at all the I tried that ... And the "customize" function DOES NOT work. I tried that already. For example, LibreOffice comes with a lot of presets. One is "Navigator", that is assigned to F5 under Windows and Ubuntu. Clicking on the ICON WILL call up the Navigator. But ... the key = F5 does not. It shows brightness adjustment on my Dell Inspiron 1545. NExt I also tried: Delete the key assignment -> reassign to F5 "Navigator". No response. And that goes for all the other keys I tried too. Yet, I am using LibreOffice for work every day. Having thrown this kind of wrench into my engine is not really acceptable, although I like Mint much better than Ubuntu. keyboard shortcuts and change them. The ".config/libreoffice" hidden folder is where such things are saved. I do not know which config file stores the keyboard commands you use to use. I tried to find that file (even though I would not know what to do with it ...) -> the computer says there is not such file. Could there maybe a trick like copying such a configuration file from "somewhere" in Windows or Ubunto to somewhere in Mint?? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shortcut keys for LibreOffice under Linux
Hi :) It's not clear which DE is being used in Mint. I'm guessing it's the "default one" but i'm not sure which that is. Mint seems to make it easy to choose which DE, so it might still be Xfce on Mint but my guess is it's more likely to be a Gnomeish one like Mate or Cinamon (or Gnome itself!). Regards from Tom :) On 13 August 2014 14:48, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster < webmas...@krackedpress.com> wrote: > On 08/13/2014 08:24 AM, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: > >> (2014/08/11 11:53), T. R. Valentine wrote: >> >>> On 10 August 2014 21:13, Thomas wrote: >>> Good morning AFAIK, F11 brings up the Styles menu on both Ubuntu & Mint. >>> No. I just made a clean install of Mint 17. >> Only Fn+F11 works >> All the other key commands are apparently the same as they are under XFCE >> From my first impression I would say, I like Mint better than XFCE. / >> >> BUT at the same time would love to be able to use all the shortcut >> keys I am used to. >> >> (File) Tools / Customise - Keyboard tab, will let you look at all the >>> keyboard shortcuts and change them. >>> >> Yes, I know. >> What I would like to know is: is there a way of installing/importing ALL >> the shortcut key settings together? >> Probably not. >> >> Thomas >> >> >> > The ".config/libreoffice" hidden folder is where such things are saved. > I do not know which config file stores the keyboard commands you use to > use. > > by-the-by > I cannot go from Mint 16 to 17 [MATE] due to printer dependency issues. 2 > of the Canon PIXMA inkjet printers I have will not install properly due to > needed dependencies that Mint 17 and/or Ubuntu 14.04 upgraded and the > printer install files will not use the "version 5 update" since they > "require" version 4 - which the number "4" is part of the dependency's name. > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- > unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shortcut keys for LibreOffice under Linux
On 08/13/2014 08:24 AM, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: (2014/08/11 11:53), T. R. Valentine wrote: On 10 August 2014 21:13, Thomas wrote: Good morning AFAIK, F11 brings up the Styles menu on both Ubuntu & Mint. No. I just made a clean install of Mint 17. Only Fn+F11 works All the other key commands are apparently the same as they are under XFCE From my first impression I would say, I like Mint better than XFCE. / BUT at the same time would love to be able to use all the shortcut keys I am used to. (File) Tools / Customise - Keyboard tab, will let you look at all the keyboard shortcuts and change them. Yes, I know. What I would like to know is: is there a way of installing/importing ALL the shortcut key settings together? Probably not. Thomas The ".config/libreoffice" hidden folder is where such things are saved. I do not know which config file stores the keyboard commands you use to use. by-the-by I cannot go from Mint 16 to 17 [MATE] due to printer dependency issues. 2 of the Canon PIXMA inkjet printers I have will not install properly due to needed dependencies that Mint 17 and/or Ubuntu 14.04 upgraded and the printer install files will not use the "version 5 update" since they "require" version 4 - which the number "4" is part of the dependency's name. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shortcut keys for LibreOffice under Linux
Hi :) There might be but i don't know of it. It might be worth asking in the generic http://www.linuxquestions.org forum because that forum covers many different distros so people might have run into the issue before or might find it an interesting new challenge. Also i find it can be good to ask at DW http://distrowatch.com has a regular weekly article/magazine and under it has "Readers Comments". It's just 1 thread per week and starts with a new thread the next week. One advantage is it's the only place you don't have to register for. Just post a comment and see if people respond. Back when i was a regular they used to go way off-topic and a question such as yours pulls them back to something vaguely relevant for a bit, sometimes. Also might be worth asking in the Xfce or specific distro forums. The Mint forums might be good. As a gateway or introductory distro they are probably not so familiar with people "distro hopping" (except from Ubuntu). It's likely to be a refreshing change for them! :) if you start to get answers it'd be great if you can give us a link so we can learn a bit too. Regards from Tom :) On 13 August 2014 13:24, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: > (2014/08/11 11:53), T. R. Valentine wrote: > >> On 10 August 2014 21:13, Thomas wrote: >> >>> Good morning >>> AFAIK, F11 brings up the Styles menu on both Ubuntu & Mint. >>> >> No. I just made a clean install of Mint 17. > Only Fn+F11 works > All the other key commands are apparently the same as they are under XFCE > From my first impression I would say, I like Mint better than XFCE. > BUT at the same time would love to be able to use all the shortcut > keys I am used to. > > (File) Tools / Customise - Keyboard tab, will let you look at all the >> keyboard shortcuts and change them. >> > Yes, I know. > What I would like to know is: is there a way of installing/importing ALL > the shortcut key settings together? > Probably not. > > Thomas > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- > unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shortcut keys for LibreOffice under Linux
(2014/08/11 11:53), T. R. Valentine wrote: On 10 August 2014 21:13, Thomas wrote: Good morning AFAIK, F11 brings up the Styles menu on both Ubuntu & Mint. No. I just made a clean install of Mint 17. Only Fn+F11 works All the other key commands are apparently the same as they are under XFCE From my first impression I would say, I like Mint better than XFCE. BUT at the same time would love to be able to use all the shortcut keys I am used to. (File) Tools / Customise - Keyboard tab, will let you look at all the keyboard shortcuts and change them. Yes, I know. What I would like to know is: is there a way of installing/importing ALL the shortcut key settings together? Probably not. Thomas -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shortcut keys for LibreOffice under Linux
Hi :) Weirdly under Unity both Ctrl shift z and Ctrl y both redo I've been using Unity for a couple of years. I didn't like it at first but it's made huge improvements. It feels like Gnome is going backwards and Mate&Cinamon are getting heavier. KDE is awesome imo. Mint seems nice but it too seems to be getting heavier. Still all those DE's look nice in it and it seems quite usable. It's really nice that it's a well supported off-shoot of Ubuntu. If you are already familiar with Debian/Ubuntu family then Mint is a good one because everything will be VERY familiar whichever DE you choose. Regards from Tom :) On 12 August 2014 15:47, Brian A. Colucci wrote: > Linux Mint, is another nice choice for those looking for a classic Ubuntu > feel. > > *Brian Colucci* > > *Information Technology Manager* > > MedWork_Logo_CMYK.jpg > > *MedWork Occupational Health Care* > > *1435 Cincinnati Street* > > *Suite 100* > > *Dayton, Ohio 45417* > > > > On 08/12/2014 08:51 AM, Cley Faye wrote: > >> 2014-08-12 4:55 GMT+02:00 Thomas : >> >> Then I do have the choice between learning all the different shortcuts, >>> or else switching to Ubuntu (this "unity" thing, which I do not like at >>> all). >>> >>> Unity and XFCE are not the only desktop environments. If you have >> issues >> with one, and dislike the other, you can try KDE, which have no issues >> interfering with common keyboard shortcuts, and is also extensively >> configurable in case you find an obscure combination that conflict with >> libreoffice. >> >> >> > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- > unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shortcut keys for LibreOffice under Linux
Linux Mint, is another nice choice for those looking for a classic Ubuntu feel. *Brian Colucci* *Information Technology Manager* MedWork_Logo_CMYK.jpg *MedWork Occupational Health Care* *1435 Cincinnati Street* *Suite 100* *Dayton, Ohio 45417* On 08/12/2014 08:51 AM, Cley Faye wrote: 2014-08-12 4:55 GMT+02:00 Thomas : Then I do have the choice between learning all the different shortcuts, or else switching to Ubuntu (this "unity" thing, which I do not like at all). Unity and XFCE are not the only desktop environments. If you have issues with one, and dislike the other, you can try KDE, which have no issues interfering with common keyboard shortcuts, and is also extensively configurable in case you find an obscure combination that conflict with libreoffice. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shortcut keys for LibreOffice under Linux
>> On 10 August 2014 21:13, Thomas wrote:
> Yes, you are right!
> Under Xubuntu using XCFE the shortcut keys are different from the usual
> Ubuntu.
> I did not know and realize that.
Bad form, IMO. But I suppose the developers of XCFE have their reasons. ???
But I'm glad the puzzle was resolved.
> Then I do have the choice between learning all the different shortcuts,
> or else switching to Ubuntu (this "unity" thing, which I do not like at
> all).
I gave Unity a try — for nearly a year and just couldn't get used to
it, but that was just me. I kept Ubuntu and switched to Cinnamon and
then completely switched to Mint-Cinnamon.
> Does the LibreOffice community any opinion on this difference in shortcut
> keys between
> different OS (here Linux "flavors")?
> I am just curious.
IMNSHO, a Bad Idea. I think there should be consistency across
platforms. For the most part, I think there is ... heck, even Ctrl+Z
and Ctrl+Y function under Mint-Cinnamon as they do in Windows rather
than the more standard ('nix) of Ctrl+Z and Shift+Ctrl+Z.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] shortcut keys for LibreOffice under Linux
2014-08-12 4:55 GMT+02:00 Thomas : > Then I do have the choice between learning all the different shortcuts, > or else switching to Ubuntu (this "unity" thing, which I do not like at > all). > Unity and XFCE are not the only desktop environments. If you have issues with one, and dislike the other, you can try KDE, which have no issues interfering with common keyboard shortcuts, and is also extensively configurable in case you find an obscure combination that conflict with libreoffice. -- Cley Faye http://cleyfaye.net -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shortcut keys for LibreOffice under Linux
(2014/08/11 11:53), T. R. Valentine wrote: On 10 August 2014 21:13, Thomas wrote: A new installation of (X)ubuntu 14.04 on two different machines comes with LibreOffice. Perhaps the difference is XCFE. Yes, you are right! Under Xubuntu using XCFE the shortcut keys are different from the usual Ubuntu. I did not know and realize that. Then I do have the choice between learning all the different shortcuts, or else switching to Ubuntu (this "unity" thing, which I do not like at all). Does the LibreOffice community any opinion on this difference in shortcut keys between different OS (here Linux "flavors")? I am just curious. Thank you. Thomas -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shortcut keys for LibreOffice under Linux
Hi :) When moving to Gnu&Linux (or Gnu&Hurd, or Bsd, Solaris or other non-Windows system) it's a good idea to use DistroWatch. DW lists many useful websites for nearly every distro that exists or has ever existed. Very few get deleted and very few are so new or obscure that they are not fully listed (and most of those are on a waiting list). The page for Xubuntu is http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=xubuntu but it's an odd choice these days. It used to be a much lighter-weight version of Ubuntu but these days there is also Lubuntu http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lubuntu (which looks horribly Win98(ish) to me (and i don't like blue)) or even Kubuntu. http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=kubuntu Kubuntu used to be horribly heavy and almost unusable on extremely low spec machines but the KDE team have put huge amounts of work into making it so much faster that i'm even considering it for the reception machine at work! It has remained extremely attractive (even though i hate blue) and has kept the plush features but somehow made it all run a LOT faster. I found this btw; http://www.keyxl.com/aaac887/409/xfce-window-manager-keyboard-shortcuts.htm but i think Valentine's method is much better, and much more up-to-the-minute. Err incidentally i installed Lubuntu over the top of an old Ubuntu and used the same user-names but during the install i made sure the partitioning bit had unticked the "Format?" column. When i booted into Lubuntu i found Firefox still had my old bookmarks. All the files i had "temporarily" put on my desktop were still cluttering the screen. Firefox even opened all the tabs i'd been working on before getting rid of the old Ubuntu! Regards from Tom :) On 11 August 2014 03:53, T. R. Valentine wrote: > On 10 August 2014 21:13, Thomas wrote: > > Good morning > > I am trying for years already to get friendly with linux, but have not > > much luck with it. > > Right now, I am (again) experimenting. > > > > A new installation of (X)ubuntu 14.04 on two different machines comes > > with LibreOffice. > > However, the shortcut keys I am used to are different or non-functioning. > > E.g., F11 is suppoed to bring up the styles menu. > > -> Linux -> has to be Alt+F11 > > AFAIK, F11 brings up the Styles menu on both Ubuntu & Mint. > > > > Ctrl+F10 -> show non-printing characters > > -> Linux -> brings up the file menu > > AFAIK, Ctrl+F10 shows non-printing characters in Writer on both Ubuntu & > Mint. > > Perhaps the difference is XCFE. > > > > Is there some consistent, COMPREHENSIBLE system of assigning these > > shortcut keys? > > Or do I have to find out and learn one by one through trial and error? > > (File) Tools / Customise - Keyboard tab, will let you look at all the > keyboard shortcuts and change them. > > > -- > T. R. Valentine > A rich heart may be under a poor coat. > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shortcut keys for LibreOffice under Linux
On 10 August 2014 21:13, Thomas wrote: > Good morning > I am trying for years already to get friendly with linux, but have not > much luck with it. > Right now, I am (again) experimenting. > > A new installation of (X)ubuntu 14.04 on two different machines comes > with LibreOffice. > However, the shortcut keys I am used to are different or non-functioning. > E.g., F11 is suppoed to bring up the styles menu. > -> Linux -> has to be Alt+F11 AFAIK, F11 brings up the Styles menu on both Ubuntu & Mint. > Ctrl+F10 -> show non-printing characters > -> Linux -> brings up the file menu AFAIK, Ctrl+F10 shows non-printing characters in Writer on both Ubuntu & Mint. Perhaps the difference is XCFE. > Is there some consistent, COMPREHENSIBLE system of assigning these > shortcut keys? > Or do I have to find out and learn one by one through trial and error? (File) Tools / Customise - Keyboard tab, will let you look at all the keyboard shortcuts and change them. -- T. R. Valentine A rich heart may be under a poor coat. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] shortcut keys for LibreOffice under Linux
Good morning I am trying for years already to get friendly with linux, but have not much luck with it. Right now, I am (again) experimenting. A new installation of (X)ubuntu 14.04 on two different machines comes with LibreOffice. However, the shortcut keys I am used to are different or non-functioning. E.g., F11 is suppoed to bring up the styles menu. -> Linux -> has to be Alt+F11 Ctrl+F10 -> show non-printing characters -> Linux -> brings up the file menu Is there some consistent, COMPREHENSIBLE system of assigning these shortcut keys? Or do I have to find out and learn one by one through trial and error? Thank you. Thomas -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
