Re: [libreoffice-users] The guts of ODF files
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: The Zip-related message may be a warning, not a fatality. It also may be related to up-/down-level compatibility among the PKWare Zip specifications. When I use WinZip 9.0 SR-1, there are no problems reported. I haven't checked the files against the PKWare APPNOTE 6.2.0 to see if there is an issue at that level. [...] The validator message appears to be completely correct but LO does not fail when that is the only flaw. LO accepts the apparently-incorrect .docx from Word 2010. It apparently fails on the Zip itself, not the .rels file inside the Zip. [...] It is clear that the problem for LO is the discrepancy in the Zip though. When that is removed, LO opens the file just fine. A possible work-around might be to open the .docx file as a zip file, and then using a zip program to (re)compress it as a zip. If you try this, let us know what is the result. Regards Stephan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] The guts of ODF files
Hi ESCHamp, ESChamp schrieb: Is there a reference somewhere that specifies what has to be in an ODF file to be recognized as one of the ODF types? Yes, ODF is an approved standard. You will find the version 1.1 in http://www.oasis-open.org/standards#opendocumentv1.1 and version 1.2 in http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/ (Version 1.2 is approved by OASIS, but the documents are not moved to the standards page yet.) I'm asking because I have a DOCX file created by an app on my phone that opens in MS Office, but is not recognized by LO. DOCX it not an ODF-format, but has its own specification based on Open Office XML, http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd773189%28v=office.12%29.aspx. Kind regards Regina -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] The guts of ODF files
Short Answer: DOCX files are not in ODF format. Longer Answer: 1. There is such information in the ODF 1.2 Specification Parts 1 and 3. However, it will not help with correctly recognizing a DOCX file in LO or OOo. There is a separate International Standard on the OOXML format used by DOCX and how Zip is used as part of that. 2. (Note, some DOCX files are encrypted OOXML documents, and that is actually a different format described in a different specification, even though the file will still have the .docx extension ending its name.) 3. There is some indication that mobile applications are not necessarily producing the DOCX that LO/OOo is expecting. It may be non-standard. Whatever it is, MS Office is forgiving about it. - Dennis E. Hamilton tools for document interoperability, http://nfoWorks.org/ dennis.hamil...@acm.org gsm: +1-206-779-9430 @orcmid -Original Message- From: ESChamp [mailto:esch...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 09:45 To: Libre Office Subject: [libreoffice-users] The guts of ODF files Is there a reference somewhere that specifies what has to be in an ODF file to be recognized as one of the ODF types? I'm asking because I have a DOCX file created by an app on my phone that opens in MS Office, but is not recognized by LO. Thanks. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] The guts of ODF files
Dennis E. Hamilton has written on 11/2/2011 1:01 PM: Short Answer: DOCX files are not in ODF format. Longer Answer: 1. There is such information in the ODF 1.2 Specification Parts 1 and 3. However, it will not help with correctly recognizing a DOCX file in LO or OOo. There is a separate International Standard on the OOXML format used by DOCX and how Zip is used as part of that. Oops! 2. (Note, some DOCX files are encrypted OOXML documents, and that is actually a different format described in a different specification, even though the file will still have the .docx extension ending its name.) 3. There is some indication that mobile applications are not necessarily producing the DOCX that LO/OOo is expecting. It may be non-standard. Whatever it is, MS Office is forgiving about it. I found an on-line validator at http://www.document-interoperability.com/validator When I fed it the original OfficeSuite-created file, it said, Inspecting ZIP ... Mismatch between local header and central record (weakened ZIP resilience) Checking OPC Package ... Entry with MIME type application/vnd.openxmlformats-package.core-properties+xml has unrecognized relationship type http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/package/2006/relationships/metadata/core-properties; (see ISO/IEC 29500-1:2008, Clause 15.2.12.1) 1 problem found with OPC package The one which resulted when I opened the original in 2010 Office and did a Save As gave this: Checking OPC Package ... Entry with MIME type application/vnd.openxmlformats-package.core-properties+xml has unrecognized relationship type http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/package/2006/relationships/metadata/core-properties; (see ISO/IEC 29500-1:2008, Clause 15.2.12.1) 1 problem found with OPC package Hmmm...same as the original. The one that was created with Libre Office as a brand new file had the same message as the one created with the Android app -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] The guts of ODF files
Hi Pete, The Zip-related message may be a warning, not a fatality. It also may be related to up-/down-level compatibility among the PKWare Zip specifications. When I use WinZip 9.0 SR-1, there are no problems reported. I haven't checked the files against the PKWare APPNOTE 6.2.0 to see if there is an issue at that level. With regard to IS 29500-1:2008 section 15.2.12.1, I am looking at the specification and it definitely has opendocument/2006/relationships/... in the URL where the files that fail validation have package/2006/relationships/ I checked for recent corrections and amendments. Looking at IS 29500-1:2011 that (well, ECMA-376 ed.3, which is free and already available), there is no change from IS 29500-1:2008. I also went all the way back to ECMA-376 ed.1 of December 2006. There has never been any different definition than what the IS 29500 editions say. I also checked iS 29500-4:2011 on Transitional Migration Features to see if there is a different case for this relationship. What is strange is that 15.2.12.1 is listed as having a difference, but the Source Relationship value given is no different than the value in 29500-1:2011. (There may be a difference and I am blind to it somehow. Time to see the opthomalogist.) The validator message appears to be completely correct but LO does not fail when that is the only flaw. LO accepts the apparently-incorrect .docx from Word 2010. It apparently fails on the Zip itself, not the .rels file inside the Zip. It seems this defect was not noticed and the problem appears to be with Microsoft Office too. Everyone seems to tolerate it. Maybe because I have not found all of the right places, maybe because of a desire to be compatible with what Office actually does. I can't tell. It is clear that the problem for LO is the discrepancy in the Zip though. When that is removed, LO opens the file just fine. Yuck. Thanks for tracking down the apparent discrepancy. - Dennis E. Hamilton tools for document interoperability, http://nfoWorks.org/ dennis.hamil...@acm.org gsm: +1-206-779-9430 @orcmid -Original Message- From: ESChamp [mailto:esch...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 16:51 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] The guts of ODF files Dennis E. Hamilton has written on 11/2/2011 1:01 PM: Short Answer: DOCX files are not in ODF format. Longer Answer: 1. There is such information in the ODF 1.2 Specification Parts 1 and 3. However, it will not help with correctly recognizing a DOCX file in LO or OOo. There is a separate International Standard on the OOXML format used by DOCX and how Zip is used as part of that. Oops! 2. (Note, some DOCX files are encrypted OOXML documents, and that is actually a different format described in a different specification, even though the file will still have the .docx extension ending its name.) 3. There is some indication that mobile applications are not necessarily producing the DOCX that LO/OOo is expecting. It may be non-standard. Whatever it is, MS Office is forgiving about it. I found an on-line validator at http://www.document-interoperability.com/validator When I fed it the original OfficeSuite-created file, it said, Inspecting ZIP ... Mismatch between local header and central record (weakened ZIP resilience) Checking OPC Package ... Entry with MIME type application/vnd.openxmlformats-package.core-properties+xml has unrecognized relationship type http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/package/2006/relationships/metadata/core-properties; (see ISO/IEC 29500-1:2008, Clause 15.2.12.1) 1 problem found with OPC package The one which resulted when I opened the original in 2010 Office and did a Save As gave this: Checking OPC Package ... Entry with MIME type application/vnd.openxmlformats-package.core-properties+xml has unrecognized relationship type http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/package/2006/relationships/metadata/core-properties; (see ISO/IEC 29500-1:2008, Clause 15.2.12.1) 1 problem found with OPC package Hmmm...same as the original. The one that was created with Libre Office as a brand new file had the same message as the one created with the Android app -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list
