Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer

[Ianseeks]

On Saturday, 3 February 2018 13:38:02 GMT DaveB wrote:
> On 03.02.2018 12:00, Ianseeks wrote:
> > Thanks for that advice, i'll definitely put my head down and learn more 
> > about styles especially now i know about Ctrl-M etc.
> >
> > all the best
> >
> > Ian
> 
> Hi Ian,
> 
> I don't know if it has already been mentioned, but if you want to get to
> grips with styles and templates I recommend you download and read a copy
> of Bruce Byfield's book "Designing with LibreOffice"
> http://designingwithlibreoffice.com/. Don't be mislead by the title, IMO
> it is one of the best sources of advice about using LibreOffice styles.
> Another useful resource is the recently published LibreOffice 5.4 Writer
> Guide
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Writer_Guide
> which includes some very good chapters on styles and templates.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Dave
Cheers Dave, i shall look it up.

> 


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer

[DaveB]

On 03.02.2018 12:00, Ianseeks wrote:
> Thanks for that advice, i'll definitely put my head down and learn more about 
> styles especially now i know about Ctrl-M etc.
>
> all the best
>
> Ian

Hi Ian,

I don't know if it has already been mentioned, but if you want to get to
grips with styles and templates I recommend you download and read a copy
of Bruce Byfield's book "Designing with LibreOffice"
http://designingwithlibreoffice.com/. Don't be mislead by the title, IMO
it is one of the best sources of advice about using LibreOffice styles.
Another useful resource is the recently published LibreOffice 5.4 Writer
Guide
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Writer_Guide
which includes some very good chapters on styles and templates.

Hope this helps.

Dave

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer

[Ianseeks]

Thanks for that advice, i'll definitely put my head down and learn more about 
styles especially now i know about Ctrl-M etc.

all the best

Ian

On Friday, 2 February 2018 18:05:55 GMT Virgil Arrington wrote:
> On 02/02/2018 05:20 AM, Ianseeks wrote:
> > I think this is where i went wrong. Is there an obvious indicator that 
> > shows its direct formatting as opposed to a style? It would be handy 
> > when picking up someone else's document (which is what happened here) 
> 
> I'm not sure that there is. In my career as a lawyer (I'm now retired), 
> I often had to share documents with other people. We had contracts going 
> back and forth with each side adding and subtracting edits. By the end, 
> it was a formatting nightmare with styles and direct formatting all 
> clashing with one another. Sometimes the document would get so corrupted 
> it would crash the word processor.
> 
> Usually, once the substance was completed, as a last step in the 
> process, I would reformat the entire document (because I'm obsessive 
> about these things, and I really enjoy doing it). I would start by 
> stripping all the direct formatting (Ctrl-A, Ctrl-M), and then I would 
> go through and apply all of my own paragraph styles. Nobody ever 
> complained because the finished product usually looked pretty good and 
> was readable.
> 
> It doesn't take as much time as you might think. After stripping the 
> formatting, I would then press Ctrl-A again to select the entire 
> document, and then apply the most predominant style (typically my 
> BodySingleIndent). I would then go through the document and apply 
> special styles to the appropriate paragraphs, such as a Heading1 or 
> Heading2 for headings and subheadings.
> 
> After I retired, I briefly taught a Law Office Technology course at the 
> college level. For an exercise, I would give my students a plain text 
> file and then tell them to format it to make it look like a given 
> finished product, that I would give them in hard copy form. After they 
> would spend twenty minutes wrestling with direct formatting, I would 
> then demonstrate how do do it in about 45 seconds using styles.
> 
> In my current teaching position, I have given my students a book report 
> for an old book that is now in the public domain. To keep them from 
> having to buy the book, I downloaded the pure text file of the book, 
> inserted it into LO and reformatted it using my styles. I pressed Ctrl-A 
> and applied BodySingleIndent to the whole text, and then went back and 
> applied a style called Heading1 for each chapter title. By using 
> Heading1 for the chapter titles, I was then able to automatically 
> generate a table of contents, and then I created a title page with some 
> other special paragraph styles. The whole process for a 188 page 
> (letter-sized) novel took me no more than 15 minutes, and that was only 
> because I had to examine each page to find my chapter titles or other 
> paragraphs that needed special styling (such as a block quote, etc.).
> 
> Learning Styles is definitely worth the investment in time.
> 
> Virgil
> 
> 


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer

[Virgil Arrington]

On 02/02/2018 05:20 AM, Ianseeks wrote:
> I think this is where i went wrong. Is there an obvious indicator that 
> shows its direct formatting as opposed to a style? It would be handy 
> when picking up someone else's document (which is what happened here) 

I'm not sure that there is. In my career as a lawyer (I'm now retired), 
I often had to share documents with other people. We had contracts going 
back and forth with each side adding and subtracting edits. By the end, 
it was a formatting nightmare with styles and direct formatting all 
clashing with one another. Sometimes the document would get so corrupted 
it would crash the word processor.

Usually, once the substance was completed, as a last step in the 
process, I would reformat the entire document (because I'm obsessive 
about these things, and I really enjoy doing it). I would start by 
stripping all the direct formatting (Ctrl-A, Ctrl-M), and then I would 
go through and apply all of my own paragraph styles. Nobody ever 
complained because the finished product usually looked pretty good and 
was readable.

It doesn't take as much time as you might think. After stripping the 
formatting, I would then press Ctrl-A again to select the entire 
document, and then apply the most predominant style (typically my 
BodySingleIndent). I would then go through the document and apply 
special styles to the appropriate paragraphs, such as a Heading1 or 
Heading2 for headings and subheadings.

After I retired, I briefly taught a Law Office Technology course at the 
college level. For an exercise, I would give my students a plain text 
file and then tell them to format it to make it look like a given 
finished product, that I would give them in hard copy form. After they 
would spend twenty minutes wrestling with direct formatting, I would 
then demonstrate how do do it in about 45 seconds using styles.

In my current teaching position, I have given my students a book report 
for an old book that is now in the public domain. To keep them from 
having to buy the book, I downloaded the pure text file of the book, 
inserted it into LO and reformatted it using my styles. I pressed Ctrl-A 
and applied BodySingleIndent to the whole text, and then went back and 
applied a style called Heading1 for each chapter title. By using 
Heading1 for the chapter titles, I was then able to automatically 
generate a table of contents, and then I created a title page with some 
other special paragraph styles. The whole process for a 188 page 
(letter-sized) novel took me no more than 15 minutes, and that was only 
because I had to examine each page to find my chapter titles or other 
paragraphs that needed special styling (such as a block quote, etc.).

Learning Styles is definitely worth the investment in time.

Virgil

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer

[Ianseeks]

On Thursday, 1 February 2018 20:59:43 GMT Virgil Arrington wrote:
> Ian,
> 
> I don't know your level of experience with styles, so forgive me if I 
> tell you something you already know.
Thanks Virgil, more information is always a big help. My biggest bit of me 
being clueless was the not knowing that direct formatting was overriding the 
style because if I highlighted a paragraph and it had the same style/font/size 
setting, it looked like a style and i couldn't work out why it wouldn't change 
when i change the style setting.
> I use the "Default Style" simply as a starting point for all my other 
> styles. I rarely actually apply the "Default Style" to a given paragraph.
> 
> LO's styles are hierarchical in nature, so that subordinate styles will 
> share certain formatting characteristics of the parent style.
I think i need to get a graphical representation printed out and stuck about my 
monitor.

> Rather than use LO's built-in styles, I tend to create my own, so my 
> style hierarchy looks something like this:
>
I like to stick to the standard one but change the font etc i don;t do enough 
writing to justify creating a new set for myself. 
> Default Style
>  BodySingle (just like Default, but with a 1 pica empty space above 
> the paragraph)
>  BodySingleIndent (just like BodySingle, but with no empty space 
> above the paragraph, and the first line indented 2 picas)
>  BodyDouble (just like BodySingle, but with double spacing, and 
> an indented first line)
>  Title (Usually a different font style and size and centered with 
> spacing above and below the paragraph)
> 
> Each subordinate style will inherit most formatting characteristics from 
> the parent style, but then change one or two particular attributes. For 
> example, BodyDouble will inherit its font (style and size) and margins 
> from BodySingle, which, in turn, inherits those attributes from Default 
> Style. If I change the font style or size in Default Style, then that 
> change will apply to BodySingle, BodySingleIndent, and BodyDouble. It 
> will not, however, affect my Title style as I control the font at that 
> level.
> 
> Likewise, BodyDouble has a unique formatting attribute. It is double 
> spaced. So, if I change the line spacing in Default Style (say from 
> single to 1.5 lines or to a proportional line spacing) that change 
> *will* carry forward to BodySingle and BodySingleIndent (both of which 
> share the line spacing of Default Style), but it will *not* affect the 
> line spacing of BodyDouble, which will remain double spaced, because I 
> set the line spacing for that style within BodyDouble itself.
> 
> The key is to know which attributes are dictated by any given paragraph 
> style and to make changes at the proper style within the hierarchy that 
> it affects all of the paragraphs you want changed, and only those 
> paragraphs.
> 
> When making formatting changes to styles make sure you do it properly. 
> Do not just put your cursor in a given paragraph and start changing 
> formatting from the toolbar or the "properties" panel in the sidebar. 
> That will result in "direct formatting," which will not change the 
> style. Instead, make sure you right-click on the particular style you 
> want to change in the style list (sidebar), and select "Modify." Any 
> changes you make should affect that style and any subordinate styles 
> that share the same attribute that is being changed.
I think this is where i went wrong. Is there an obvious indicator that shows 
its direct formatting as opposed to a style? It would be handy when picking up 
someone else's document (which is what happened here)

> If it doesn't, then that most likely means you have direct formatting 
> peppered in along with style-based formatting. If that is the case, then 
> I would follow Steve's advice and select all of the text (Ctrl-A) and 
> clear direct formatting (Ctrl-M). At that point, you should have all of 
> your formatting controlled at the style level.
Yes, I'm going to do that now i know it exists.

> I hope all this makes sense. It's easier to do than to explain.
Great explanation, thanks a lot for your time. 
> Virgil
regards

Ian
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer

[Ianseeks]

On Thursday, 1 February 2018 22:03:00 GMT Steve Edmonds wrote:
> Also to add to Virgil's explanation is what happens when copy/pasting 
> text with the same style name or a new style name.
> 
> If you copy text from a document with style named "Default Style" into 
> your working document, the text will inherit the attributes of the 
> settings for Default Style in your working document. This can sometimes 
> cause unexpected outcomes. If you want to preserve the attributes of the 
> copied text, give the copied text a unique style name before copying it.
> 
> When you copy text from another document with a style that you don't 
> have in your working document, that new style will be added to your 
> working document. If you don't want to accumulate a whole bunch of new 
> styles with lots of copy/paste;
> set the style of the text you want to copy to a style you already have 
> in your working document before copy or,
> paste as unformatted text and the pasted text will inherit the style of 
> the text at the insertion point.
> 
> Steve


Thanks for your time and explanations, its been helpful. 

regards

Ian
> On 02/02/18 09:59, Virgil Arrington wrote:
> > Ian,
> >
> > I don't know your level of experience with styles, so forgive me if I
> > tell you something you already know.
> >
> > I use the "Default Style" simply as a starting point for all my other
> > styles. I rarely actually apply the "Default Style" to a given paragraph.
> >
> > LO's styles are hierarchical in nature, so that subordinate styles will
> > share certain formatting characteristics of the parent style.
> >
> > Rather than use LO's built-in styles, I tend to create my own, so my
> > style hierarchy looks something like this:
> >
> > Default Style
> >   BodySingle (just like Default, but with a 1 pica empty space above
> > the paragraph)
> >   BodySingleIndent (just like BodySingle, but with no empty space
> > above the paragraph, and the first line indented 2 picas)
> >   BodyDouble (just like BodySingle, but with double spacing, and
> > an indented first line)
> >   Title (Usually a different font style and size and centered with
> > spacing above and below the paragraph)
> >
> > Each subordinate style will inherit most formatting characteristics from
> > the parent style, but then change one or two particular attributes. For
> > example, BodyDouble will inherit its font (style and size) and margins
> > from BodySingle, which, in turn, inherits those attributes from Default
> > Style. If I change the font style or size in Default Style, then that
> > change will apply to BodySingle, BodySingleIndent, and BodyDouble. It
> > will not, however, affect my Title style as I control the font at that
> > level.
> >
> > Likewise, BodyDouble has a unique formatting attribute. It is double
> > spaced. So, if I change the line spacing in Default Style (say from
> > single to 1.5 lines or to a proportional line spacing) that change
> > *will* carry forward to BodySingle and BodySingleIndent (both of which
> > share the line spacing of Default Style), but it will *not* affect the
> > line spacing of BodyDouble, which will remain double spaced, because I
> > set the line spacing for that style within BodyDouble itself.
> >
> > The key is to know which attributes are dictated by any given paragraph
> > style and to make changes at the proper style within the hierarchy that
> > it affects all of the paragraphs you want changed, and only those
> > paragraphs.
> >
> > When making formatting changes to styles make sure you do it properly.
> > Do not just put your cursor in a given paragraph and start changing
> > formatting from the toolbar or the "properties" panel in the sidebar.
> > That will result in "direct formatting," which will not change the
> > style. Instead, make sure you right-click on the particular style you
> > want to change in the style list (sidebar), and select "Modify." Any
> > changes you make should affect that style and any subordinate styles
> > that share the same attribute that is being changed.
> >
> > If it doesn't, then that most likely means you have direct formatting
> > peppered in along with style-based formatting. If that is the case, then
> > I would follow Steve's advice and select all of the text (Ctrl-A) and
> > clear direct formatting (Ctrl-M). At that point, you should have all of
> > your formatting controlled at the style level.
> >
> > I hope all this makes sense. It's easier to do than to explain.
> >
> > Virgil
> >
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer

[Ianseeks]

On Thursday, 1 February 2018 19:50:38 GMT Steve Edmonds wrote:
> Hi.
> If you select all text (the whole document) and menu Format>Clear direct 
> formatting (Ctl M), lots may change visually, does the document then 
> behave as you might expect styles to behave. I do this as a matter of 
> course to get MS docs into odts that I can style properly.
> steve
THanks Steve, I'll try that. I didn't get the difference between styles and 
direct formatting but now i do.

> On 01/02/18 22:59, Ianseeks wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:02:35 GMT Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
> >> 2018-01-31 19:25 GMT+01:00 Ianseeks :
> >>
> >>> Hi
> >>>
> >>> If i update a style that is used in a document e.g. change font and font
> >>> size, should the whole document where that style is used be changed to the
> >>> new settings when  is pressed?  Currently I have to highlight the
> >>> areas and then reapply the style to it.
> >>>
> >> They should update automatically *unless* direct formatting is applied to
> >> the text. Direct formatting always brings problems. Can you share a
> >> document, so we can see where the problem is? AFAIK the mailing list strips
> >> attachments, so you need to upload the sample document anywhere else.
> > I 've just done a few more tests after reading your comments.  All the 
> > tests i've done are using the "Default Style".
> > I went back to the Windows 10 version and I changed the font to something 
> > radically different to what i really wanted and it did change a lot of the 
> > document with that style but not all of it.  I think i missed it before 
> > because the paragraph that i had on the screen didn;t change but when i 
> > changed it to a weird font it scrolled the text up the screen a few lines 
> > so i could the text below it and see a change. So i changed the font back 
> > to something sensible and it worked but it did not change the font size at 
> > all, it was stuck at 14pt even though i changed it to 12pt.
> > I've discovered that if i change the font/size in "default style", it 
> > affects other parts of the document that has "text body" style applied.
> > Its the same on version 6 on linux.
> >
> >> Regards,
> >> Ricardo
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> regards
> >>>
> >>> Ian
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer

[Steve Edmonds]

Also to add to Virgil's explanation is what happens when copy/pasting 
text with the same style name or a new style name.


If you copy text from a document with style named "Default Style" into 
your working document, the text will inherit the attributes of the 
settings for Default Style in your working document. This can sometimes 
cause unexpected outcomes. If you want to preserve the attributes of the 
copied text, give the copied text a unique style name before copying it.


When you copy text from another document with a style that you don't 
have in your working document, that new style will be added to your 
working document. If you don't want to accumulate a whole bunch of new 
styles with lots of copy/paste;
set the style of the text you want to copy to a style you already have 
in your working document before copy or,
paste as unformatted text and the pasted text will inherit the style of 
the text at the insertion point.


Steve

On 02/02/18 09:59, Virgil Arrington wrote:

Ian,

I don't know your level of experience with styles, so forgive me if I
tell you something you already know.

I use the "Default Style" simply as a starting point for all my other
styles. I rarely actually apply the "Default Style" to a given paragraph.

LO's styles are hierarchical in nature, so that subordinate styles will
share certain formatting characteristics of the parent style.

Rather than use LO's built-in styles, I tend to create my own, so my
style hierarchy looks something like this:

Default Style
      BodySingle (just like Default, but with a 1 pica empty space above
the paragraph)
          BodySingleIndent (just like BodySingle, but with no empty space
above the paragraph, and the first line indented 2 picas)
          BodyDouble (just like BodySingle, but with double spacing, and
an indented first line)
      Title (Usually a different font style and size and centered with
spacing above and below the paragraph)

Each subordinate style will inherit most formatting characteristics from
the parent style, but then change one or two particular attributes. For
example, BodyDouble will inherit its font (style and size) and margins
from BodySingle, which, in turn, inherits those attributes from Default
Style. If I change the font style or size in Default Style, then that
change will apply to BodySingle, BodySingleIndent, and BodyDouble. It
will not, however, affect my Title style as I control the font at that
level.

Likewise, BodyDouble has a unique formatting attribute. It is double
spaced. So, if I change the line spacing in Default Style (say from
single to 1.5 lines or to a proportional line spacing) that change
*will* carry forward to BodySingle and BodySingleIndent (both of which
share the line spacing of Default Style), but it will *not* affect the
line spacing of BodyDouble, which will remain double spaced, because I
set the line spacing for that style within BodyDouble itself.

The key is to know which attributes are dictated by any given paragraph
style and to make changes at the proper style within the hierarchy that
it affects all of the paragraphs you want changed, and only those
paragraphs.

When making formatting changes to styles make sure you do it properly.
Do not just put your cursor in a given paragraph and start changing
formatting from the toolbar or the "properties" panel in the sidebar.
That will result in "direct formatting," which will not change the
style. Instead, make sure you right-click on the particular style you
want to change in the style list (sidebar), and select "Modify." Any
changes you make should affect that style and any subordinate styles
that share the same attribute that is being changed.

If it doesn't, then that most likely means you have direct formatting
peppered in along with style-based formatting. If that is the case, then
I would follow Steve's advice and select all of the text (Ctrl-A) and
clear direct formatting (Ctrl-M). At that point, you should have all of
your formatting controlled at the style level.

I hope all this makes sense. It's easier to do than to explain.

Virgil




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer

[Virgil Arrington]

Ian,

I don't know your level of experience with styles, so forgive me if I 
tell you something you already know.

I use the "Default Style" simply as a starting point for all my other 
styles. I rarely actually apply the "Default Style" to a given paragraph.

LO's styles are hierarchical in nature, so that subordinate styles will 
share certain formatting characteristics of the parent style.

Rather than use LO's built-in styles, I tend to create my own, so my 
style hierarchy looks something like this:

Default Style
     BodySingle (just like Default, but with a 1 pica empty space above 
the paragraph)
         BodySingleIndent (just like BodySingle, but with no empty space 
above the paragraph, and the first line indented 2 picas)
         BodyDouble (just like BodySingle, but with double spacing, and 
an indented first line)
     Title (Usually a different font style and size and centered with 
spacing above and below the paragraph)

Each subordinate style will inherit most formatting characteristics from 
the parent style, but then change one or two particular attributes. For 
example, BodyDouble will inherit its font (style and size) and margins 
from BodySingle, which, in turn, inherits those attributes from Default 
Style. If I change the font style or size in Default Style, then that 
change will apply to BodySingle, BodySingleIndent, and BodyDouble. It 
will not, however, affect my Title style as I control the font at that 
level.

Likewise, BodyDouble has a unique formatting attribute. It is double 
spaced. So, if I change the line spacing in Default Style (say from 
single to 1.5 lines or to a proportional line spacing) that change 
*will* carry forward to BodySingle and BodySingleIndent (both of which 
share the line spacing of Default Style), but it will *not* affect the 
line spacing of BodyDouble, which will remain double spaced, because I 
set the line spacing for that style within BodyDouble itself.

The key is to know which attributes are dictated by any given paragraph 
style and to make changes at the proper style within the hierarchy that 
it affects all of the paragraphs you want changed, and only those 
paragraphs.

When making formatting changes to styles make sure you do it properly. 
Do not just put your cursor in a given paragraph and start changing 
formatting from the toolbar or the "properties" panel in the sidebar. 
That will result in "direct formatting," which will not change the 
style. Instead, make sure you right-click on the particular style you 
want to change in the style list (sidebar), and select "Modify." Any 
changes you make should affect that style and any subordinate styles 
that share the same attribute that is being changed.

If it doesn't, then that most likely means you have direct formatting 
peppered in along with style-based formatting. If that is the case, then 
I would follow Steve's advice and select all of the text (Ctrl-A) and 
clear direct formatting (Ctrl-M). At that point, you should have all of 
your formatting controlled at the style level.

I hope all this makes sense. It's easier to do than to explain.

Virgil

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer

[Steve Edmonds]

Hi.
If you select all text (the whole document) and menu Format>Clear direct 
formatting (Ctl M), lots may change visually, does the document then 
behave as you might expect styles to behave. I do this as a matter of 
course to get MS docs into odts that I can style properly.

steve

On 01/02/18 22:59, Ianseeks wrote:

On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:02:35 GMT Ricardo Berlasso wrote:

2018-01-31 19:25 GMT+01:00 Ianseeks :


Hi

If i update a style that is used in a document e.g. change font and font
size, should the whole document where that style is used be changed to the
new settings when  is pressed?  Currently I have to highlight the
areas and then reapply the style to it.


They should update automatically *unless* direct formatting is applied to
the text. Direct formatting always brings problems. Can you share a
document, so we can see where the problem is? AFAIK the mailing list strips
attachments, so you need to upload the sample document anywhere else.

I 've just done a few more tests after reading your comments.  All the tests i've done 
are using the "Default Style".
I went back to the Windows 10 version and I changed the font to something 
radically different to what i really wanted and it did change a lot of the 
document with that style but not all of it.  I think i missed it before because 
the paragraph that i had on the screen didn;t change but when i changed it to a 
weird font it scrolled the text up the screen a few lines so i could the text 
below it and see a change. So i changed the font back to something sensible and 
it worked but it did not change the font size at all, it was stuck at 14pt even 
though i changed it to 12pt.
I've discovered that if i change the font/size in "default style", it affects other parts 
of the document that has "text body" style applied.
Its the same on version 6 on linux.


Regards,
Ricardo




regards

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer

[Ianseeks]

On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:02:35 GMT Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
> 2018-01-31 19:25 GMT+01:00 Ianseeks :
> 
> > Hi
> >
> > If i update a style that is used in a document e.g. change font and font
> > size, should the whole document where that style is used be changed to the
> > new settings when  is pressed?  Currently I have to highlight the
> > areas and then reapply the style to it.
> >
> 
> They should update automatically *unless* direct formatting is applied to
> the text. Direct formatting always brings problems. Can you share a
> document, so we can see where the problem is? AFAIK the mailing list strips
> attachments, so you need to upload the sample document anywhere else.
I 've just done a few more tests after reading your comments.  All the tests 
i've done are using the "Default Style".
I went back to the Windows 10 version and I changed the font to something 
radically different to what i really wanted and it did change a lot of the 
document with that style but not all of it.  I think i missed it before because 
the paragraph that i had on the screen didn;t change but when i changed it to a 
weird font it scrolled the text up the screen a few lines so i could the text 
below it and see a change. So i changed the font back to something sensible and 
it worked but it did not change the font size at all, it was stuck at 14pt even 
though i changed it to 12pt. 
I've discovered that if i change the font/size in "default style", it affects 
other parts of the document that has "text body" style applied.
Its the same on version 6 on linux.

> Regards,
> Ricardo
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > regards
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer

[Ianseeks]

On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:02:35 GMT Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
> 2018-01-31 19:25 GMT+01:00 Ianseeks :
> 
> > Hi
> >
> > If i update a style that is used in a document e.g. change font and font
> > size, should the whole document where that style is used be changed to the
> > new settings when  is pressed?  Currently I have to highlight the
> > areas and then reapply the style to it.
> >
> 
> They should update automatically *unless* direct formatting is applied to
> the text. Direct formatting always brings problems. Can you share a
> document, so we can see where the problem is? AFAIK the mailing list strips
> attachments, so you need to upload the sample document anywhere else.

thanks.  Its a document created on windows 10, so i'll bring it over to my 
system and see if its the same on linux.  Is there a usual site used by 
libreoffice devs to get hold samples that i can upload to?

> Regards,
> Ricardo
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Ian
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Style updates in Writer

[Ricardo Berlasso]

2018-01-31 19:25 GMT+01:00 Ianseeks :

> Hi
>
> If i update a style that is used in a document e.g. change font and font
> size, should the whole document where that style is used be changed to the
> new settings when  is pressed?  Currently I have to highlight the
> areas and then reapply the style to it.
>

They should update automatically *unless* direct formatting is applied to
the text. Direct formatting always brings problems. Can you share a
document, so we can see where the problem is? AFAIK the mailing list strips
attachments, so you need to upload the sample document anywhere else.

Regards,
Ricardo



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