Re: [libreoffice-users] Win64: Scribus too... :-)
Hi :) Are Cpu cycles to do with multi-core/multi-cpu? If so it's presumably possible for 32bit apps to take advantage. I think it's just a fluke that most of us think that 64bit machines tend to have more than 1 cpu/core and 32bit ones don't. Both technologies became well known around the same time. Apparently the 4Gb Ram limit is a limit of the OS, not the apps. If the OS can read/write to more ram then i don't think the apps would be restricted. Apparently OSes that are 32bit could read more Ram with a different kernel module. With GnuLinux it's possible to swap-in the different module and i kept being told that it's really easy. Something like the pae-something module. Ram is used more efficiently by OpenSource programs, especially when using quite a few at the same time. My whole system is OpenSource apart from a few fonts and a couple of codecs and i seldom need even 1Gb. Movies and even fairly hefty games seem quite happy. I figure that if bits of my ram detiorate over time then i could always swap the sticks around to use the ones that aren't getting used at the moment. If it feels like LO/OO are bumping into ram issues then it's more likely to be the limits you set (or the default ones) in Tools - Options - Memory If you imagine wires or cables as lanes on a motorway then double the number of lanes can carry double the number of cars. It's just that you don't always need to have that many cars on a section of motorway. Regards from Tom :) From: Mas tier3supp...@gmail.com To: Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 4 November 2012, 5:03 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Win64: Scribus too... :-) On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/03/2012 05:14 PM, VA wrote: Okay, I'll betray my ignorance. What would be the difference or advantage of running a 64 bit LibO vs. a 32 bit LibO? Virgil IMHO, the practical difference is nil for a typical office use. Some large databases will require 64 bit because 32 bit is limited to 4 GB. -Original Message- From: James Knott Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 4:53 PM To: LibreOffice Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Win64: Scribus too... :-) rost52 wrote: How many LibO user are having wn64 machines? Or better what is the percentage of win64 users in the LibO community? I'm a Linux user, 64 bits of course, but I have one, 1, count 'em, one computer that has 64 bit Windows 7 on it. Then again, there have been 64 bit versions of Linux going back 17 - 18 years and I was running 64 bit Linux for over 5 years, before I had 64 bit Windows. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com Since Libreoffice is a Office product . I don't believe you will see a big differential in performance as a user . From a programmer view , you can take advantage of the cpu cycles and memory usage with a 64bit system. -- -- Masekela Walls Web Security Analyst | Senior Server Administrator Powserve.com / Gemini ISP Networks -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Win64: Scribus too... :-)
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 5:25 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Are Cpu cycles to do with multi-core/multi-cpu? If so it's presumably possible for 32bit apps to take advantage. I think it's just a fluke that most of us think that 64bit machines tend to have more than 1 cpu/core and 32bit ones don't. Both technologies became well known around the same time. Apparently the 4Gb Ram limit is a limit of the OS, not the apps. If the OS can read/write to more ram then i don't think the apps would be restricted. Apparently OSes that are 32bit could read more Ram with a different kernel module. With GnuLinux it's possible to swap-in the different module and i kept being told that it's really easy. Something like the pae-something module. Ram is used more efficiently by OpenSource programs, especially when using quite a few at the same time. My whole system is OpenSource apart from a few fonts and a couple of codecs and i seldom need even 1Gb. Movies and even fairly hefty games seem quite happy. I figure that if bits of my ram detiorate over time then i could always swap the sticks around to use the ones that aren't getting used at the moment. If it feels like LO/OO are bumping into ram issues then it's more likely to be the limits you set (or the default ones) in Tools - Options - Memory If you imagine wires or cables as lanes on a motorway then double the number of lanes can carry double the number of cars. It's just that you don't always need to have that many cars on a section of motorway. Regards from Tom :) CPU Cycles is the process the processor takes to complete a command. Multiple cores came about due to the current CPU overheating above 4GHZ . So they started adding more cores to the existing processors to give you more cpu threads to process commands. So in theory you can have a 3GHZ CPU with dual cores (2 central processing units) to get the result of a 6ghz processor. You are correct, the 4GB limit was imposed by the operating system . 64bit has been around for years, I believe someone else mention this on the thread, its not new and unix/linux has been using it. If you imagine wires or cables as lanes on a motorway then double the number of lanes can carry double the number of cars. It's just that you don't always need to have that many cars on a section of motorway. I like that , -- -- Masekela Walls Web Security Analyst | Senior Server Administrator Powserve.com / Gemini ISP Networks -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Win64: Scribus too... :-)
Tom Davies wrote: Apparently the 4Gb Ram limit is a limit of the OS, not the apps. If the OS can read/write to more ram then i don't think the apps would be restricted. Apparently OSes that are 32bit could read more Ram with a different kernel module. With GnuLinux it's possible to swap-in the different module and i kept being told that it's really easy. Something like the pae-something module. With PAE, the 32 bit CPU can access more that 4 GB, but Microsoft still limits Windows to 4 GB. With Linux, no there is no such artificial limitation. IIRC, applications are still limited to 4 GB, as they don't know how to access more, but the OS can use the greater space and make it available to the apps. With Linux, recently used stuff is retained in memory, so that accessing it again is quick. It will eventually be moved to swap, if not recently used. So, with Linux, the more memory available, including beyond 4 GB, the faster the system in general runs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Win64: Scribus too... :-)
Mas wrote: I believe someone else mention this on the thread, its not new and unix/linux has been using it. Yes, there was a 64 bit version of Linux running on the DEC Alpha, followed shortly by the IBM PowerPC around 1994 - 1995. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Win64: Scribus too... :-)
On 04-11-12 13:21, James Knott wrote: Mas wrote: I believe someone else mention this on the thread, its not new and unix/linux has been using it. Yes, there was a 64 bit version of Linux running on the DEC Alpha, followed shortly by the IBM PowerPC around 1994 - 1995. The 64-bit R4000 by MIPS technologies came out in 1992 and was first used in Silicon Graphics machines, running IRIX the SGI flavour of UNIX. This processor was 64-bit internally but 32-bit externally so only a 32-bit wide memory-path could be used.Later versions, notably the R8000 (1994) and the R1000 (1996) were 64-bit internally and externally. In 1994 SGI licensed the memory architecture, developed by Cray (which it bought a few years later) and licensed it, I thought in 2002 to AMD for its 64-bit processors. This NUMA architecture is much faster than the standard architecture used in other processors and is much more suitable for multiprocessor systems. Joep -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Win64: Scribus too... :-)
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 12:41 AM, rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de wrote: May I ask why our devs should work on a win64 version while we are having still a few bugs in the 3.6 branch (and also in 3.5.7). How many LibO user are having wn64 machines? Or better what is the percentage of win64 users in the LibO community? On 2012-11-02 20:52, Carlo Strata wrote: Dear Everyone, are we working forward to LibreOffice-win64? Taking a look if there were new Scribus releases I give a look to next branch svn 1.4.2 http://sourceforge.net/**projects/scribus/files/**scribus-svn/1.4.2svn/http://sourceforge.net/projects/scribus/files/scribus-svn/1.4.2svn/ and I see that... there are an x64 windows build (!!!) that I suppose it use the Win64 GhostScript build too http://www.ghostscript.com/**download/http://www.ghostscript.com/download/ Any new in this walk? Have a sunny day, Carlo Most of the system on the market are 64bit . since 32bit can run in a 64bit environment I dont see the rush to change the application code to run under 64bit. keep in mind i am not saying Libreoffice should not or will not. there is a high amount of user running Libreoffice under Windows. -- -- Masekela Walls Web Security Analyst | Senior Server Administrator Powserve.com / Gemini ISP Networks -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Win64: Scribus too... :-)
rost52 wrote: How many LibO user are having wn64 machines? Or better what is the percentage of win64 users in the LibO community? I'm a Linux user, 64 bits of course, but I have one, 1, count 'em, one computer that has 64 bit Windows 7 on it. Then again, there have been 64 bit versions of Linux going back 17 - 18 years and I was running 64 bit Linux for over 5 years, before I had 64 bit Windows. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Win64: Scribus too... :-)
Okay, I'll betray my ignorance. What would be the difference or advantage of running a 64 bit LibO vs. a 32 bit LibO? Virgil -Original Message- From: James Knott Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 4:53 PM To: LibreOffice Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Win64: Scribus too... :-) rost52 wrote: How many LibO user are having wn64 machines? Or better what is the percentage of win64 users in the LibO community? I'm a Linux user, 64 bits of course, but I have one, 1, count 'em, one computer that has 64 bit Windows 7 on it. Then again, there have been 64 bit versions of Linux going back 17 - 18 years and I was running 64 bit Linux for over 5 years, before I had 64 bit Windows. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Win64: Scribus too... :-)
On 11/03/2012 05:14 PM, VA wrote: Okay, I'll betray my ignorance. What would be the difference or advantage of running a 64 bit LibO vs. a 32 bit LibO? Virgil IMHO, the practical difference is nil for a typical office use. Some large databases will require 64 bit because 32 bit is limited to 4 GB. -Original Message- From: James Knott Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 4:53 PM To: LibreOffice Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Win64: Scribus too... :-) rost52 wrote: How many LibO user are having wn64 machines? Or better what is the percentage of win64 users in the LibO community? I'm a Linux user, 64 bits of course, but I have one, 1, count 'em, one computer that has 64 bit Windows 7 on it. Then again, there have been 64 bit versions of Linux going back 17 - 18 years and I was running 64 bit Linux for over 5 years, before I had 64 bit Windows. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Win64: Scribus too... :-)
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/03/2012 05:14 PM, VA wrote: Okay, I'll betray my ignorance. What would be the difference or advantage of running a 64 bit LibO vs. a 32 bit LibO? Virgil IMHO, the practical difference is nil for a typical office use. Some large databases will require 64 bit because 32 bit is limited to 4 GB. -Original Message- From: James Knott Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 4:53 PM To: LibreOffice Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Win64: Scribus too... :-) rost52 wrote: How many LibO user are having wn64 machines? Or better what is the percentage of win64 users in the LibO community? I'm a Linux user, 64 bits of course, but I have one, 1, count 'em, one computer that has 64 bit Windows 7 on it. Then again, there have been 64 bit versions of Linux going back 17 - 18 years and I was running 64 bit Linux for over 5 years, before I had 64 bit Windows. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+help@global.libreoffice.** org users%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Since Libreoffice is a Office product . I don't believe you will see a big differential in performance as a user . From a programmer view , you can take advantage of the cpu cycles and memory usage with a 64bit system. -- -- Masekela Walls Web Security Analyst | Senior Server Administrator Powserve.com / Gemini ISP Networks -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
