Re: [libreoffice-users] do not upgrade to Ubuntu 11.04 with standard resolution widescreen monitor

2011-05-04 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
A lot of work has gone into Gnome  Unity recently with new releases already 
done or imminent.  It's going to take a while for those to settle down again.  
Oddly, KDE is completely stable right now so you might be better with a K 
desktop environment, if you can bear that Windows look.  (Allegedly Win7 copied 
a lot of KDE elements, specifically the new Start button) .  Ubuntu 11.04's 
implementation of Gnome DE is very rough compared to Gnome in their previous 
releases.  So the resolution issue is not a huge surprise.  Disappointing but 
not a surprise.

Have you heard that Mark Shuttleworth made a very pro-Lubuntu speech possibly 
signalling that Lubuntu (with the LXDE) might become an officially supported 
branch, like Kubuntu (KDE) and Xubuntu (Xfce).  Hmmm, that's a thought.  I've 
not heard of a new release of Xfce for a while so that must be rock-solid by 
now 
(unless you dislike blue so much that you can't change the colours fast enough).

Obviously this doesn't just affect Ubuntu and does have implications for other 
distros such as openSuse, Mageia/Mandriva, Mint, Fedora etc as they use the 
same 
DEs but Ubuntu's officially recognised family is what i am most familiar with 
at 
the moment.  

Regards from
Tom :)






From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Tue, 3 May, 2011 22:58:08
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] do not upgrade to Ubuntu 11.04 with standard 
resolution widescreen monitor

On 05/02/2011 02:58 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 Ok, the trick is to use a LiveCd/Usb to install but when youget to the
 Partitioning Sectiopn choose the last option at the bottom of the screen to 
 do 
a
 manual partitioning sometimes called advanced and now in 11.04 called
 Something else lol.
 
I use the Live DVD mostly to install it new.  The issue I had was during an 
upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04.
I just wish I knew why it did not except the resolution that was being used for 
10.10.  Even without having the nVidia driver[s] active, 10.04 LTS defaulted 
to the 1366 x 768 resolution of the Acer monitor.  Why 11.04 did not, I only 
have to guess.

I also planned on no using Unity as well, since I prefer GNOME over what was 
written about Unity.  I use GNOME as the default with some KDE packages 
installed as well.

 It has to re-scan your drives which takes a slightly worrying time.  Select 
all
 the same partitions such as / and /home but make sure they are all UNticked in
 the Format? column to make sure no partition get re-formatted.  The swaps 
will
 get reformatted anyway but just make sure your /home or / doesn't get
 reformatted.
 
 Once the install has completed look at the hidden folders in your /home/users
 folder to check which programs you had installed and re-install any that are
 missing.
 
 See, it's quite straight-forwards really so i don't know why people claim to 
not
 know of this trick.
 Regards from
 Tom :)
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Re: [libreoffice-users] do not upgrade to Ubuntu 11.04 with standard resolution widescreen monitor

2011-05-03 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions

On 05/02/2011 11:42 AM, Cor Nouws wrote:

Hi .. (forgotten your name, sorry),


webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote (02-05-11 17:07)


I think my Acer is somewhere about 1280 x 738 - or there abouts. 1280 x
800 is 16:10 [laptop], but my Acer widescreen monitor is 16:9.


My Acer TM has 1366*768 (16:9)
No probs here with Natty Narwhal.

Cor


Well I get Unsupported Input with my Acer 19 monitor for whatever reason.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] do not upgrade to Ubuntu 11.04 with standard resolution widescreen monitor

2011-05-03 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions

On 05/02/2011 02:07 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)

Cor, are you using the fglrx driver (ati?) or which driver?  Which version
number?

I think i cheated when i got my 'new' nVidia card.  I just opened my favourite
package manager and typed in nvidia and picked one that looked about right
nvidia-common or something lol.  The one that worries me is trying to get the
right driver for a Samsung NC10 as i think it's an intel gpu but i have no idea
which one nor how to find the right driver for it  i need to sort it before i
go off to the boat again.
Regards from
Tom :)



I have an internal GeForce 7025 on my motherboard.

I had a nVidia 220 till it failed after 6 months doing GPU crunching for 
BOINC.



snip

Hi
On Mon, 2011-05-02 at 17:42 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote:


Hi .. (forgotten your name, sorry),


Tim L.
Kracked or Krackedpress will do

webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote (02-05-11 17:07)


I think my Acer is somewhere about 1280 x 738 - or there abouts. 1280 x
800 is 16:10 [laptop], but my Acer widescreen monitor is 16:9.

My Acer TM has 1366*768 (16:9)
No probs here with Natty Narwhal.

Cor

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My old Acer laptop defaulted to Gnome instead of Unity when 11.04 was
installed because the video memory was lacking. It is robbed from the
main memory.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] do not upgrade to Ubuntu 11.04 with standard resolution widescreen monitor

2011-05-03 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions

On 05/02/2011 02:58 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Ok, the trick is to use a LiveCd/Usb to install but when youget to the
Partitioning Sectiopn choose the last option at the bottom of the screen to do a
manual partitioning sometimes called advanced and now in 11.04 called
Something else lol.

I use the Live DVD mostly to install it new.  The issue I had was during 
an upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04.
I just wish I knew why it did not except the resolution that was being 
used for 10.10.  Even without having the nVidia driver[s] active, 
10.04 LTS defaulted to the 1366 x 768 resolution of the Acer monitor.  
Why 11.04 did not, I only have to guess.


I also planned on no using Unity as well, since I prefer GNOME over what 
was written about Unity.  I use GNOME as the default with some KDE 
packages installed as well.



It has to re-scan your drives which takes a slightly worrying time.  Select all
the same partitions such as / and /home but make sure they are all UNticked in
the Format? column to make sure no partition get re-formatted.  The swaps will
get reformatted anyway but just make sure your /home or / doesn't get
reformatted.

Once the install has completed look at the hidden folders in your /home/users
folder to check which programs you had installed and re-install any that are
missing.

See, it's quite straight-forwards really so i don't know why people claim to not
know of this trick.
Regards from
Tom :)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] do not upgrade to Ubuntu 11.04 with standard resolution widescreen monitor

2011-05-02 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)

Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is the recommended release for crucial machines that you don't 
want to upgrade too often.  The LTSes only need upgrading about every 2-3 years.

The 6monthly releases are fun to try but often have experimental features and 
the 11.04 is an extreme example of that.  On most systems you might need to 
logout or at login click on the user-name and then look at the bottom of the 
screen to change Session type from Ubuntu to Classic.  The Classic 
session is the familiar Gnome Desktop Environment.  


Typcally if the resolution is higher than physical screen size then the 
keyboard 
arrow keys, perhaps with Ctrl or Alt, help you move the area of the screen 
being 
shown.  


To be honest it sounds as though you need to install the correct driver for the 
graphics card.  I'm not sure how to find it but perhaps through booting into 
recovery mode then choose fix x-server you might be able to nudge it into 
sorting it all out for you.

Good luck and regards from
Tom :)





From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com
To: users@libreoffice.org users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Mon, 2 May, 2011 14:41:00
Subject: [libreoffice-users] do not upgrade to Ubuntu 11.04 with standard 
resolution widescreen monitor


I am warning people.
Ubuntu 11.04 uses a default monitor resolution that is greater than
the max I have for my LCD wide screen monitor.

It does not remember what you used for 10.4 or 10.10.
So you will get an Unsupported Input error on the monitor, if you monitor 
does 
have that messaging system like Acer does.

I have moved all my files from my internal to external and using my Vista 
laptop 
as a duel boot to Ubuntu 10.10, till I get a change to fix the issue on the 
desktop.  Had to take it apart to get the must up to date stuff off the 
internal 
drive.

So untill I figure out how to get the install of 11.04 to not go beyond my max 
resolution of my widescreen monitor, I will have to keep to 10.10.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] do not upgrade to Ubuntu 11.04 with standard resolution widescreen monitor

2011-05-02 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 4:41 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press
Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:

 I am warning people.
 Ubuntu 11.04 uses a default monitor resolution that is greater than
 the max I have for my LCD wide screen monitor.

 It does not remember what you used for 10.4 or 10.10.
 So you will get an Unsupported Input error on the monitor, if you monitor
 does have that messaging system like Acer does.

 I have moved all my files from my internal to external and using my Vista
 laptop as a duel boot to Ubuntu 10.10, till I get a change to fix the issue
 on the desktop.  Had to take it apart to get the must up to date stuff off
 the internal drive.

 So untill I figure out how to get the install of 11.04 to not go beyond my
 max resolution of my widescreen monitor, I will have to keep to 10.10.


Regarding this issue, it's most probably related to the specific
graphics card and/or monitor.
I do not think there are hard-coded values for monitor resolution in
Ubuntu or any other distribution.
Typically the X server (X.Org) reads the available resolutions through
the monitor cable
(see about EDID at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_display_identification_data ).

So, what you should do

1. Install the 'read-edid' package.
2. Run 'sudo get-edid | parse-edid'
3. Put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com and
write down the URL.
4. Post the information at UbuntuForums in order to get support.

(sorry for the off-topic)

Simos

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Re: [libreoffice-users] do not upgrade to Ubuntu 11.04 with standard resolution widescreen monitor

2011-05-02 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker

On 02/05/11 14:53, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)

Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is the recommended release for crucial machines that you don't
want to upgrade too often.  The LTSes only need upgrading about every 2-3 years.


LTS versions are released every two years on the 04 release, so you've 
got 8.04 LTS, 10.04 LTS and the next will be 12.04


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Re: [libreoffice-users] do not upgrade to Ubuntu 11.04 with standard resolution widescreen monitor

2011-05-02 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions


The problem was when the upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04, it did not get too 
the Ubuntu splash screen before the resolution error happened.  I did 
not have this type of trouble when going from 9.04 to 9.10, 10.04, and 
10.10.  It must be that with the change to Unity desktop, the changed 
the defaults.  I remember that it use to default at 800x600 till I set 
the monitor to the actual size.  Now it seems it goes much larger than 
that.  I think my Acer is somewhere about 1280 x 738 - or there abouts.  
1280 x 800 is 16:10 [laptop], but my Acer widescreen monitor is 16:9.


So, I will be saving my .mozilla and .thunderbird files and when I get 
the desktop put back together and 10.10 back on it, I will start 
rebuilding it.  Have a lot of stuff to reinstall and setup.  At least 
now I have an USB device to take the SATA drive from the desktop and 
save all the up-to-date dot folders and data file to my external that 
did not get on the backups.  I have only 60 gig out of 1,000 gig 
external, and 3 data partitions on the internal that are almost stuffed 
full.  Got to buy a second internal soon.


On 05/02/2011 09:53 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)

Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is the recommended release for crucial machines that you don't
want to upgrade too often.  The LTSes only need upgrading about every 2-3 years.

The 6monthly releases are fun to try but often have experimental features and
the 11.04 is an extreme example of that.  On most systems you might need to
logout or at login click on the user-name and then look at the bottom of the
screen to change Session type from Ubuntu to Classic.  The Classic
session is the familiar Gnome Desktop Environment.


Typcally if the resolution is higher than physical screen size then the keyboard
arrow keys, perhaps with Ctrl or Alt, help you move the area of the screen being
shown.


To be honest it sounds as though you need to install the correct driver for the
graphics card.  I'm not sure how to find it but perhaps through booting into
recovery mode then choose fix x-server you might be able to nudge it into
sorting it all out for you.

Good luck and regards from
Tom :)





From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com
To: users@libreoffice.orgusers@libreoffice.org
Sent: Mon, 2 May, 2011 14:41:00
Subject: [libreoffice-users] do not upgrade to Ubuntu 11.04 with standard
resolution widescreen monitor


I am warning people.
Ubuntu 11.04 uses a default monitor resolution that is greater than
the max I have for my LCD wide screen monitor.

It does not remember what you used for 10.4 or 10.10.
So you will get an Unsupported Input error on the monitor, if you monitor does
have that messaging system like Acer does.

I have moved all my files from my internal to external and using my Vista laptop
as a duel boot to Ubuntu 10.10, till I get a change to fix the issue on the
desktop.  Had to take it apart to get the must up to date stuff off the internal
drive.

So untill I figure out how to get the install of 11.04 to not go beyond my max
resolution of my widescreen monitor, I will have to keep to 10.10.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] do not upgrade to Ubuntu 11.04 with standard resolution widescreen monitor

2011-05-02 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions

On 05/02/2011 10:05 AM, Simos Xenitellis wrote:

On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 4:41 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press
Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com  wrote:

I am warning people.
Ubuntu 11.04 uses a default monitor resolution that is greater than
the max I have for my LCD wide screen monitor.

It does not remember what you used for 10.4 or 10.10.
So you will get an Unsupported Input error on the monitor, if you monitor
does have that messaging system like Acer does.

I have moved all my files from my internal to external and using my Vista
laptop as a duel boot to Ubuntu 10.10, till I get a change to fix the issue
on the desktop.  Had to take it apart to get the must up to date stuff off
the internal drive.

So untill I figure out how to get the install of 11.04 to not go beyond my
max resolution of my widescreen monitor, I will have to keep to 10.10.


Regarding this issue, it's most probably related to the specific
graphics card and/or monitor.
I do not think there are hard-coded values for monitor resolution in
Ubuntu or any other distribution.
Typically the X server (X.Org) reads the available resolutions through
the monitor cable
(see about EDID at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_display_identification_data ).

So, what you should do

1. Install the 'read-edid' package.
2. Run 'sudo get-edid | parse-edid'
3. Put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com and
write down the URL.
4. Post the information at UbuntuForums in order to get support.

(sorry for the off-topic)

Simos

I cannot even get the splash screen.  The monitor works fine with 9.04 
thru 10.10.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] do not upgrade to Ubuntu 11.04 with standard resolution widescreen monitor

2011-05-02 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)

Cor, are you using the fglrx driver (ati?) or which driver?  Which version 
number?

I think i cheated when i got my 'new' nVidia card.  I just opened my favourite 
package manager and typed in nvidia and picked one that looked about right 
nvidia-common or something lol.  The one that worries me is trying to get the 
right driver for a Samsung NC10 as i think it's an intel gpu but i have no idea 
which one nor how to find the right driver for it  i need to sort it before i 
go off to the boat again.
Regards from
Tom :)





From: planas jsloz...@gmail.com
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Mon, 2 May, 2011 18:20:30
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] do not upgrade to Ubuntu 11.04 with standard 
resolution widescreen monitor

Hi
On Mon, 2011-05-02 at 17:42 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: 

 Hi .. (forgotten your name, sorry),
 
 
 webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote (02-05-11 17:07)
 
  I think my Acer is somewhere about 1280 x 738 - or there abouts. 1280 x
  800 is 16:10 [laptop], but my Acer widescreen monitor is 16:9.
 
 My Acer TM has 1366*768 (16:9)
 No probs here with Natty Narwhal.
 
 Cor
 
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My old Acer laptop defaulted to Gnome instead of Unity when 11.04 was
installed because the video memory was lacking. It is robbed from the
main memory.
-- 
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jsloz...@gmail.com

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Re: [libreoffice-users] do not upgrade to Ubuntu 11.04 with standard resolution widescreen monitor

2011-05-02 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Yes, i know LTSes are released on a 2-year cycle but you don't have to upgrade 
immediately.  Support for the desktop LTSes lasts an extra year giving plenty 
of 
time to test out the new one and possibly even reject it in favour of the 
6monthlies.  A lot of updates usually happen in the first few days of a release 
so i tend to try out new releases on a spare partition after trying the LiveCd 
rather than committing all 'my' machines.  


There are a lot of different possible strategies.  For a while i used 
6monthlies 
and upgraded about annually rather than every single new 6monthly.  Now i just 
use a mix of strategies but where i have infrequent access i try to stick to 
the 
LTSes and my main machine at home finally settled down at the last LTS so i 
keep 
that on 10.04 too, although i have spare partitions and a Virtual Machine for 
occasional distro hopping.
Regards from
Tom :)





From: Don C. Myers donmy...@myersfarm.com
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Mon, 2 May, 2011 17:28:44
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] do not upgrade to Ubuntu 11.04 with standard 
resolution widescreen monitor

Hi,

I've upgraded 5 computers so far from Ubuntu 10.10 to 11.04, all with wide 
screen monitors, and have not had any issues at all with screen display. Four 
systems were upgraded using the traditional procedure. One was upgraded using 
the live CD. I tried doing a second one with the live CD, and I could not get 
11.04 to open to run it as a live CD. I usually check to see if there are any 
issues. It would get to the point where I should have the desktop displaying, 
but it never displayed. I didn't take time to try to figure out why the screen 
didn't display. I figured it might have been some issue with the CD itself, but 
I don't know. So I ran the upgrade the traditional way on that system with no 
problems at all.

I starting using Ubuntu with 8.10, and have upgraded to each version so far. I 
upgrade because of the continuous improvements which seem to come, and the 
improvement in the Linux kernel and drivers with each version. 10.04 was the 
only one I really had some issues with. So far 11.04 seems to work really well. 
It will take a little time to get used to Unity. I will like the side bar. I 
will miss the lack of applets on the top panel, but I see there are some other 
types which can be installed which I will try as time permits. I do have one 
issue with Libre Office Base not opening with the icon placed in the side 
panel. 
I will send that out as a separate issue.

Don

On 05/02/2011 10:40 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
 On 02/05/11 14:53, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 
 Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is the recommended release for crucial machines that you 
don't
 want to upgrade too often.  The LTSes only need upgrading about every 2-3 
years.
 
 LTS versions are released every two years on the 04 release, so you've got 
 8.04 
LTS, 10.04 LTS and the next will be 12.04
 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] do not upgrade to Ubuntu 11.04 with standard resolution widescreen monitor

2011-05-02 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
If you upgrade stops you from using the machine there are some interesting 
tricks possibly unique to Ubuntu that allow you to revert to a previous release 
without having to re-format and hence help you avoid losing data.  I seem to be 
the only person in the entire world that knows the trick despite the number of 
times i have helped people do this in forums.  I don't know why people ignore 
or 
forget the trick, i can't really be the only one right?
Regards from
Tom :)





From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Mon, 2 May, 2011 16:07:25
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] do not upgrade to Ubuntu 11.04 with standard 
resolution widescreen monitor


The problem was when the upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04, it did not get too 
the Ubuntu splash screen before the resolution error happened.  I did 
not have this type of trouble when going from 9.04 to 9.10, 10.04, and 
10.10.  It must be that with the change to Unity desktop, the changed 
the defaults.  I remember that it use to default at 800x600 till I set 
the monitor to the actual size.  Now it seems it goes much larger than 
that.  I think my Acer is somewhere about 1280 x 738 - or there abouts.  
1280 x 800 is 16:10 [laptop], but my Acer widescreen monitor is 16:9.

So, I will be saving my .mozilla and .thunderbird files and when I get 
the desktop put back together and 10.10 back on it, I will start 
rebuilding it.  Have a lot of stuff to reinstall and setup.  At least 
now I have an USB device to take the SATA drive from the desktop and 
save all the up-to-date dot folders and data file to my external that 
did not get on the backups.  I have only 60 gig out of 1,000 gig 
external, and 3 data partitions on the internal that are almost stuffed 
full.  Got to buy a second internal soon.

On 05/02/2011 09:53 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)

 Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is the recommended release for crucial machines that you 
don't
 want to upgrade too often.  The LTSes only need upgrading about every 2-3 
years.

 The 6monthly releases are fun to try but often have experimental features and
 the 11.04 is an extreme example of that.  On most systems you might need to
 logout or at login click on the user-name and then look at the bottom of the
 screen to change Session type from Ubuntu to Classic.  The Classic
 session is the familiar Gnome Desktop Environment.


 Typcally if the resolution is higher than physical screen size then the 
keyboard
 arrow keys, perhaps with Ctrl or Alt, help you move the area of the screen 
being
 shown.


 To be honest it sounds as though you need to install the correct driver for 
the
 graphics card.  I'm not sure how to find it but perhaps through booting into
 recovery mode then choose fix x-server you might be able to nudge it into
 sorting it all out for you.

 Good luck and regards from
 Tom :)




 
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 Sent: Mon, 2 May, 2011 14:41:00
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] do not upgrade to Ubuntu 11.04 with standard
 resolution widescreen monitor


 I am warning people.
 Ubuntu 11.04 uses a default monitor resolution that is greater than
 the max I have for my LCD wide screen monitor.

 It does not remember what you used for 10.4 or 10.10.
 So you will get an Unsupported Input error on the monitor, if you monitor 
does
 have that messaging system like Acer does.

 I have moved all my files from my internal to external and using my Vista 
laptop
 as a duel boot to Ubuntu 10.10, till I get a change to fix the issue on the
 desktop.  Had to take it apart to get the must up to date stuff off the 
internal
 drive.

 So untill I figure out how to get the install of 11.04 to not go beyond my max
 resolution of my widescreen monitor, I will have to keep to 10.10.




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