Re: [libreoffice-users] mail format
On 19/01/2014, doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: On 01/18/2014 06:32 PM, Peter West wrote: On 19 Jan 2014, at 6:12 am, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: (As an editor of a small (~1000 circulation) newsletter, it is important to me to use standards which are available and in common use by those with Windows PCs, Apple computers with either of two quite different operating systems, and Linux--the latter probably only by me!) That standard is odf; you should make a proposal within your group to use odt as your editing file format. If you are unable to convince accordingly, you should buy m$o; LO is not a free m$ clone. If others report problems with the odt standard (they need to report such bugs to the relevant organisation (http://www.mail-archive.com/users@global.libreoffice.org/msg36224.html) OTOH, some of the sources are from fairly unsophisticated people, to whom pdf is probably less familiar than stp (a motor lubricant). Some of that input comes from .doc files, some from email (!) It is not too uncommon for latex collaborators to submit content as plain text in e-mail, then using version control to collate all input. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] mail format
Hi :) I ignored the same advice when i first started and for the same reasons. I still have a few machines that default to MS formats in LibreOffice. Things are moving on from there but the older MS format is still the best one for using when sharing and editing with other people. It is no longer the best for longer-term storage but it's going to take people a long while to realise that. Regards from Tom :) On 18 January 2014 06:51, Peter West li...@pbw.id.au wrote: Doug, About that standard: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd946767(v=office.12).aspx How much longer do you think that a lowest common denominator format (97) will be generally used? Anyway, for the time being it's working, and you have your solution. Peter West Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick... On 18 Jan 2014, at 4:15 pm, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: On 01/17/2014 09:25 PM, Peter West wrote: Hi Doug, I think the best solution to your problem is to buy a copy of Microsoft Office. Peter West So his fame spread throughout all Syria... /snip/ I do not like Microsoft Office. I think it is a PITA, and I have thought so since I was using WordStar! But a standard is a standard, and whether you like it or not, the old 1997 .doc format is that standard, as nearly as there is one. LIve with it! --doug On 18 Jan 2014, at 7:49 am, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: Doug wrote: Is there a way to make Libre save in MS Word 1997-2003 .doc format as a default? If so, how? Using version 4.1. Thanx--doug Yes, click on ToolsOptionsLoad/SaveGeneral and make your selection there. /snip/ Thanx for the advice, Tom, but MS 1997-2003 .doc is readable by EVERYBODY, even people who don't have MS Office 2013. I don't care if I ever see .odf again! --doug -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] mail format
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 01:15:26AM -0500, Doug wrote: On 01/17/2014 09:25 PM, Peter West wrote: Hi Doug, I think the best solution to your problem is to buy a copy of Microsoft Office. Peter West So his fame spread throughout all Syria... /snip/ I do not like Microsoft Office. I think it is a PITA, and I have thought so since I was using WordStar! But a standard is a standard, and whether you like it or not, the old 1997 .doc format is that standard, as nearly as there is one. LIve with it! The Model T Ford was a standard for a long time. Should people have just lived with that? .snip. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] mail format
On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 01:15:26 -0500 Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: Hello Doug, WordStar! But a standard is a standard, and whether you like it or not, the old 1997 .doc format is that standard, as nearly as there is one. LIve with it! What's the ISO number? -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent But they didn't tell him the first two didn't count Tin Soldiers - Stiff Little Fingers -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] mail format
On 01/18/2014 01:29 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 01:15:26AM -0500, Doug wrote: On 01/17/2014 09:25 PM, Peter West wrote: Hi Doug, I think the best solution to your problem is to buy a copy of Microsoft Office. Peter West So his fame spread throughout all Syria... /snip/ I do not like Microsoft Office. I think it is a PITA, and I have thought so since I was using WordStar! But a standard is a standard, and whether you like it or not, the old 1997 .doc format is that standard, as nearly as there is one. LIve with it! The Model T Ford was a standard for a long time. Should people have just lived with that? .snip. No, the Model T was not a standard, but I think the position of the brake pedal was. Since at least the Model A, the positions of the clutch, brake, accelerator, have become standard, and the position of the gear-shift was a semi-standard--it's now back on the floor, where it had been in model A days, after a few years on the steering column. And, with the exception of reverse, the general layout of the gear positions on the manual shifter is standard. Since the Model A, which did not have directional signals, the position of the directional signal control has become standard. So it's not the car, but the implementation of it, just as it's not the computer, but the implementation of the file operation--ctrl-U for underline, etc.--and the file exchange formats which are more-or-less standard. Yes, there are a multitude of standards, each applying to some type of program--.dwg for cad interchange, .exe for Windows executables, .pdf for that type of file, and, like it or not, .doc for word-processed files. When or if Microsoft adopts .odt or .rtf, as their normal format or if by some miracle ?Office (Libre or Open) becomes the norm, then the standard will change. But not until. (As an editor of a small (~1000 circulation) newsletter, it is important to me to use standards which are available and in common use by those with Windows PCs, Apple computers with either of two quite different operating systems, and Linux--the latter probably only by me!) --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M. Greeley -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] mail format
On 19 Jan 2014, at 6:12 am, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: (As an editor of a small (~1000 circulation) newsletter, it is important to me to use standards which are available and in common use by those with Windows PCs, Apple computers with either of two quite different operating systems, and Linux--the latter probably only by me!) --doug So your requirement is, quite literally, read-only. What's wrong with PDF? Peter West Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] mail format
On 01/18/2014 06:32 PM, Peter West wrote: On 19 Jan 2014, at 6:12 am, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: (As an editor of a small (~1000 circulation) newsletter, it is important to me to use standards which are available and in common use by those with Windows PCs, Apple computers with either of two quite different operating systems, and Linux--the latter probably only by me!) --doug So your requirement is, quite literally, read-only. What's wrong with PDF? Peter West Well, not quite: I forward my edited files to the publisher, who happens to own a Mac with the old Mac Os, so it's not just read, it's also write. I'm sure he could read pdfs, but his Publisher program likes .doc files. And I have heard that not all pdfs are created equal. There have been reports of some problems, depending on what program generated them. OTOH, some of the sources are from fairly unsophisticated people, to whom pdf is probably less familiar than stp (a motor lubricant). Some of that input comes from .doc files, some from email (!) And some of it is kinda tricky, no matter what extension it may have. I have used Libre, TextMaker, and WordPerfect (under Windows) and even Kate to decode some submissions. (There is a tendency for blocks of text in some submitted files to be displaced to the right hand side of the page, such that the right ends of lines are not available. I have never found out why this happens. One of the programs mentioned will usually make the file readable and editable.) --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] mail format
PDF is great for printing - that's what it was designed for. Commercial printers love PDF. But it sounds as though your publisher is also editing layout. If there is anything like that happening, forget PDF. Open submissions will always be a can of worms. But at least (he said with fingers crossed) you don't have round-tripping issues, with files going back and forward between different systems, accumulating edits as they go. Peter West Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick... On 19 Jan 2014, at 11:25 am, doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: On 01/18/2014 06:32 PM, Peter West wrote: On 19 Jan 2014, at 6:12 am, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: (As an editor of a small (~1000 circulation) newsletter, it is important to me to use standards which are available and in common use by those with Windows PCs, Apple computers with either of two quite different operating systems, and Linux--the latter probably only by me!) --doug So your requirement is, quite literally, read-only. What's wrong with PDF? Peter West Well, not quite: I forward my edited files to the publisher, who happens to own a Mac with the old Mac Os, so it's not just read, it's also write. I'm sure he could read pdfs, but his Publisher program likes .doc files. And I have heard that not all pdfs are created equal. There have been reports of some problems, depending on what program generated them. OTOH, some of the sources are from fairly unsophisticated people, to whom pdf is probably less familiar than stp (a motor lubricant). Some of that input comes from .doc files, some from email (!) And some of it is kinda tricky, no matter what extension it may have. I have used Libre, TextMaker, and WordPerfect (under Windows) and even Kate to decode some submissions. (There is a tendency for blocks of text in some submitted files to be displaced to the right hand side of the page, such that the right ends of lines are not available. I have never found out why this happens. One of the programs mentioned will usually make the file readable and editable.) --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] mail format
On 01/18/2014 09:38 PM, Peter West wrote: PDF is great for printing - that's what it was designed for. Commercial printers love PDF. But it sounds as though your publisher is also editing layout. If there is anything like that happening, forget PDF. Yes, he is doing the layouts. I only work with text. --doug Open submissions will always be a can of worms. But at least (he said with fingers crossed) you don't have round-tripping issues, with files going back and forward between different systems, accumulating edits as they go. Peter West -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] mail format
Doug wrote: Is there a way to make Libre save in MS Word 1997-2003 .doc format as a default? If so, how? Using version 4.1. Thanx--doug Yes, click on ToolsOptionsLoad/SaveGeneral and make your selection there. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] mail format
Hi :) Yes there is but it's not advisable. Its better to keep your originals in ODF and only File - Save As ... when you really need to. Otherwise formatting and things can go a bit wrong. MS Office 2013 can read ODF. As James said it's Tools - Options - Load/Save - General but at the bottom see the 2 drop-downs? Roll the 2nd one up 1 or 2 places, avoiding the Templates option. Then go back to the first and change to a different one of the types of documents, eg down to spreadsheets and then to presentations etc. Regards from Tom :) On 17 January 2014 20:51, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: Doug wrote: Is there a way to make Libre save in MS Word 1997-2003 .doc format as a default? If so, how? Using version 4.1. Thanx--doug Yes, click on ToolsOptionsLoad/SaveGeneral and make your selection there. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] mail format
Original Message From: Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 21:00:55 + Hi :) Yes there is but it's not advisable. Its better to keep your originals in ODF and only File - Save As ... when you really need to. Otherwise formatting and things can go a bit wrong. MS Office 2013 can read ODF. There is also the MultiFormatSave extension available: http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/multisave-1 QMultiFormatSave enables you to save simultaneously a document in the OpenDocument, MS Office and/or PDF formats as you choose for Writer, Calc or Impress./Q Hope this helps. Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] mail format
On 01/17/2014 04:00 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Yes there is but it's not advisable. Its better to keep your originals in ODF and only File - Save As ... when you really need to. Otherwise formatting and things can go a bit wrong. MS Office 2013 can read ODF. As James said it's Tools - Options - Load/Save - General but at the bottom see the 2 drop-downs? Roll the 2nd one up 1 or 2 places, avoiding the Templates option. Then go back to the first and change to a different one of the types of documents, eg down to spreadsheets and then to presentations etc. Regards from Tom :) On 17 January 2014 20:51, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: Doug wrote: Is there a way to make Libre save in MS Word 1997-2003 .doc format as a default? If so, how? Using version 4.1. Thanx--doug Yes, click on ToolsOptionsLoad/SaveGeneral and make your selection there. Thanx for the advice, Tom, but MS 1997-2003 .doc is readable by EVERYBODY, even people who don't have MS Office 2013. I don't care if I ever see .odf again! --doug -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] mail format
Hi Doug, I think the best solution to your problem is to buy a copy of Microsoft Office. Peter West So his fame spread throughout all Syria... On 18 Jan 2014, at 7:49 am, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: On 01/17/2014 04:00 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Yes there is but it's not advisable. Its better to keep your originals in ODF and only File - Save As ... when you really need to. Otherwise formatting and things can go a bit wrong. MS Office 2013 can read ODF. As James said it's Tools - Options - Load/Save - General but at the bottom see the 2 drop-downs? Roll the 2nd one up 1 or 2 places, avoiding the Templates option. Then go back to the first and change to a different one of the types of documents, eg down to spreadsheets and then to presentations etc. Regards from Tom :) On 17 January 2014 20:51, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: Doug wrote: Is there a way to make Libre save in MS Word 1997-2003 .doc format as a default? If so, how? Using version 4.1. Thanx--doug Yes, click on ToolsOptionsLoad/SaveGeneral and make your selection there. Thanx for the advice, Tom, but MS 1997-2003 .doc is readable by EVERYBODY, even people who don't have MS Office 2013. I don't care if I ever see .odf again! --doug -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] mail format
On 01/17/2014 09:25 PM, Peter West wrote: Hi Doug, I think the best solution to your problem is to buy a copy of Microsoft Office. Peter West So his fame spread throughout all Syria... /snip/ I do not like Microsoft Office. I think it is a PITA, and I have thought so since I was using WordStar! But a standard is a standard, and whether you like it or not, the old 1997 .doc format is that standard, as nearly as there is one. LIve with it! --doug On 18 Jan 2014, at 7:49 am, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: Doug wrote: Is there a way to make Libre save in MS Word 1997-2003 .doc format as a default? If so, how? Using version 4.1. Thanx--doug Yes, click on ToolsOptionsLoad/SaveGeneral and make your selection there. /snip/ Thanx for the advice, Tom, but MS 1997-2003 .doc is readable by EVERYBODY, even people who don't have MS Office 2013. I don't care if I ever see .odf again! --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M. Greeley -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] mail format
Doug, About that standard: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd946767(v=office.12).aspx How much longer do you think that a lowest common denominator format (97) will be generally used? Anyway, for the time being it's working, and you have your solution. Peter West Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick... On 18 Jan 2014, at 4:15 pm, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: On 01/17/2014 09:25 PM, Peter West wrote: Hi Doug, I think the best solution to your problem is to buy a copy of Microsoft Office. Peter West So his fame spread throughout all Syria... /snip/ I do not like Microsoft Office. I think it is a PITA, and I have thought so since I was using WordStar! But a standard is a standard, and whether you like it or not, the old 1997 .doc format is that standard, as nearly as there is one. LIve with it! --doug On 18 Jan 2014, at 7:49 am, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: Doug wrote: Is there a way to make Libre save in MS Word 1997-2003 .doc format as a default? If so, how? Using version 4.1. Thanx--doug Yes, click on ToolsOptionsLoad/SaveGeneral and make your selection there. /snip/ Thanx for the advice, Tom, but MS 1997-2003 .doc is readable by EVERYBODY, even people who don't have MS Office 2013. I don't care if I ever see .odf again! --doug -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
