[libreoffice-users] Document locked on other system

[Gordon Burgess-Parker]

Trying to open a document which is stored locally and not on a server
and I get this?

"Document file 'Forum%20and%20site%20logins.odt' is locked for editing
by yourself on a different "system since 18.09.2012 12:32
"Open document read-only, or ignore own file locking and open the
document for editing.

How do I fix this?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Document locked on other system

[Steve Edmonds]

On 14/08/13 7:05 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

Trying to open a document which is stored locally and not on a server
and I get this?

"Document file 'Forum%20and%20site%20logins.odt' is locked for editing
by yourself on a different "system since 18.09.2012 12:32
"Open document read-only, or ignore own file locking and open the
document for editing.

How do I fix this?

There is probably a lock file in the same directory as the one you are 
editing. It could be hidden, one I am using now looks like 
.~lock.heattreating.odt#.

With the document closed for editing, try deleting the lock file.
Steve


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Document locked on other system

[Gordon Burgess-Parker]

On 14/08/13 08:13, Steve Edmonds wrote:
>
> There is probably a lock file in the same directory as the one you are
> editing. It could be hidden, one I am using now looks like
> .~lock.heattreating.odt#.
> With the document closed for editing, try deleting the lock file.
> Steve
>
I looked for that first and couldn't see it.
Re-tried and there it was! (No idea why it didn't appear the first time...)

Thanks!

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Document locked on other system

[Steve Edmonds]

On 14/08/13 7:26 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

On 14/08/13 08:13, Steve Edmonds wrote:


There is probably a lock file in the same directory as the one you 
are editing. It could be hidden, one I am using now looks like 
.~lock.heattreating.odt#.

With the document closed for editing, try deleting the lock file.
Steve


I looked for that first and couldn't see it.
Re-tried and there it was! (No idea why it didn't appear the first 
time...)


Thanks!
I have them scattered all over my system and server. I should probably 
scratch together a cleanup script.

Cheers, steve

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer

[e-letter]

On 13/08/2013, Virgil Arrington  wrote:
> I just did a couple experiments with LO and Writer2epub. I tried converting
>
> the entire 390 page Getting Started book to EPUB. It choked. I then tried
> doing the same with just the 18 page introduction. Same result. No EPUB
> output file was generated.
>
> I noticed that Writer2epub doesn't like custom styles. It is apparently
> designed for fairly simple documents, using LO's built-in styles. It can't
> handle the elaborate formatting of the LO User Guides.
>

That was an ambitious test! Perhaps LaTeX might be better: convert to
(x)html using tex4ht and then compile the epub. Personally, would edit
the xml using a text editor and compile the epub via the command
terminal; compilation is surprisingly easy.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments in .doc

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On 13/08/2013, Rogier F. van Vlissingen  wrote:
> Ever since 4.0 I have had increasing problems with file compatibility with
> MSO...
>

Consider this a blessing is disguise; the primary use of LO is to
create and increase the quantity of odf documents, not to be a free m$
clone.

> Currently I am working on a project with MSO users and when I open a .doc
> which contains any comments, what happens is the last character BEFORE the
> comment anchor is reduced in font size, and therefore when you delete the
> comment, you now have to go into the text to fix the font size.
>
> Anyone had the same? I think it's time for a bug report.
>

Why can't you afford to use a legitimate copy of m$?

Are you seriously suggesting programmers' time should be spent on a
minor proprietary format comment feature instead of improving software
QA for LO odf??? Astonishing.

The following hyperlink shows high priority bugs already requiring
resolution (especially regressions which are indicative of a failure
in software QA):
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Useful_Queries

Please review.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Alfresco integration

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On 06/08/2013, Josh Bitto  wrote:
> I'm using 4.2.c community of Alfresco and I'm having an issue where viewing
> a spreadsheet file in preview only shows it in portrait. I'm wondering if it
> possible to show in landscape. I've touched base in the Alfresco forums and
> another member suggested that I look at LibreOffice and see how it handles
> the document. Has anyone had issues similar to mine?
>

Most users are probably individuals and therefore have no need for
collaborative document management, whilst corporate users will mostly
use m$o/shareoffice. Maybe try apache open office mailing list, where
there may be a better chance of document management users within the
oracle community.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments in .doc

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I think most of us need to use LO for a variety of reasons.  Price is just one 
factor amongst many.  I use it because it's better and faster for what i 
typically need it for and it's cross-platform.  However i still need to be able 
to communicate with colleagues.  

Oddly they would consider switching only if LO was better at MS formats, and a 
few other caveats.  

This idea of switching rather than migrating is odd considering their system 
has both but MS has been clever at making people think that a new system will 
wipe out the old one and require a radical switch over.  I think we need to 
encourage the view that it's possible to run both beside each other and if we 
can do that then people will gradually begin to realise that 
LibreOffice/OpenOffice (and the rest) are much easier to work with precisely 
because you can keep using old systems while adapting to the new.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: e-letter 
>To: Rogier F. van Vlissingen  
>Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013, 11:09
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments in 
>.doc
> 
>
>On 13/08/2013, Rogier F. van Vlissingen  wrote:
>> Ever since 4.0 I have had increasing problems with file compatibility with
>> MSO...
>>
>
>Consider this a blessing is disguise; the primary use of LO is to
>create and increase the quantity of odf documents, not to be a free m$
>clone.
>
>> Currently I am working on a project with MSO users and when I open a .doc
>> which contains any comments, what happens is the last character BEFORE the
>> comment anchor is reduced in font size, and therefore when you delete the
>> comment, you now have to go into the text to fix the font size.
>>
>> Anyone had the same? I think it's time for a bug report.
>>
>
>Why can't you afford to use a legitimate copy of m$?
>
>Are you seriously suggesting programmers' time should be spent on a
>minor proprietary format comment feature instead of improving software
>QA for LO odf??? Astonishing.
>
>The following hyperlink shows high priority bugs already requiring
>resolution (especially regressions which are indicative of a failure
>in software QA):
>https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Useful_Queries
>
>Please review.
>
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[libreoffice-users] Re: MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments in .doc

[Pedro]

e-letter wrote
> Are you seriously suggesting programmers' time should be spent on a
> minor proprietary format comment feature instead of improving software
> QA for LO odf??? Astonishing.

If LO would ignore compatibility with DOC then it would become an island
(which only used the ODF file format). If documents can not move back and
forward between people who use MSO and LO then people will stop using LO.
It's as simple as that.

So, yes, LO programmers have to "waste" time to make DOC 100% compatible
because you can be damn sure that MS will NOT make an effort to be 100% ODF
compatible.

Just my 2 cents ;)



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
That sounds like a nightmare!  You made it look like a series of stepping 
stones rather than the single hop we were hoping for.  

However, when i look again you are really talking about just 1 format in the 
middle?  Then the extra editing is just an optional finesse that Virgil could 
probably dodge for the test-run?  

The command-line bit also sounds a bit scary but if you could give a command 
that Virgil could try out by using copy&paste then that might be "do-able"
Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: e-letter 
>To: Virgil Arrington  
>Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013, 10:44
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer
> 
>
>On 13/08/2013, Virgil Arrington  wrote:
>> I just did a couple experiments with LO and Writer2epub. I tried converting
>>
>> the entire 390 page Getting Started book to EPUB. It choked. I then tried
>> doing the same with just the 18 page introduction. Same result. No EPUB
>> output file was generated.
>>
>> I noticed that Writer2epub doesn't like custom styles. It is apparently
>> designed for fairly simple documents, using LO's built-in styles. It can't
>> handle the elaborate formatting of the LO User Guides.
>>
>
>That was an ambitious test! Perhaps LaTeX might be better: convert to
>(x)html using tex4ht and then compile the epub. Personally, would edit
>the xml using a text editor and compile the epub via the command
>terminal; compilation is surprisingly easy.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Document locked on other system

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)  
In Windows "Disk clean 
up" might do it.  It does a scan and then shows you a list of different 
types of things it could get rid of.  It's often worth keeping some of 
the things, such as "set-up files".  

Ubuntu
 janitor does much the same although there is a better one in "Ubuntu 
Tweaks" which you can get onto Ubuntu with these commands
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:tualatrix/ppa
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install ubuntu-tweak


I suspect that most distros have some standard tools to do routine decluttering 
like that and some will have it in some sort of "Control Panel" type of thing 
so you can do a whole load of things all at once from some central point.  


You are not the first one to have that sort of problem so tools are already out 
there
Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: Steve Edmonds 
>To: Gordon Burgess-Parker  
>Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013, 10:38
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Document locked on other system
> 
>
>
>On 14/08/13 7:26 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
>> On 14/08/13 08:13, Steve Edmonds wrote:
>>>
>>> There is probably a lock file in the same directory as the one you 
>>> are editing. It could be hidden, one I am using now looks like 
>>> .~lock.heattreating.odt#.
>>> With the document closed for editing, try deleting the lock file.
>>> Steve
>>>
>> I looked for that first and couldn't see it.
>> Re-tried and there it was! (No idea why it didn't appear the first 
>> time...)
>>
>> Thanks!
>I have them scattered all over my system and server. I should probably 
>scratch together a cleanup script.
>Cheers, steve
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer

[Joaquín Lameiro]

Hi.

Has anybody tried to do the exporting with eLAIX? It's in the official LO 
extensions repository, and I think it works quite well:
http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/elaix

I can give it a try, if someone gives me the link to a specific ODT document.
Regards,
Joaquín





 De: Tom Davies 
Para: e-letter ; Virgil Arrington  
CC: "users@global.libreoffice.org"  
Enviado: Miércoles 14 de agosto de 2013 12:30
Asunto: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer
 

Hi :)
That sounds like a nightmare!  You made it look like a series of stepping 
stones rather than the single hop we were hoping for.  

However, when i look again you are really talking about just 1 format in the 
middle?  Then the extra editing is just an optional finesse that Virgil could 
probably dodge for the test-run?  

The command-line bit also sounds a bit scary but if you could give a command 
that Virgil could try out by using copy&paste then that might be "do-able"
Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: e-letter 
>To: Virgil Arrington  
>Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013, 10:44
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer
> 
>
>On 13/08/2013, Virgil Arrington  wrote:
>> I just did a couple experiments with LO and Writer2epub. I tried converting
>>
>> the entire 390 page Getting Started book to EPUB. It choked. I then tried
>> doing the same with just the 18 page introduction. Same result. No EPUB
>> output file was generated.
>>
>> I noticed that Writer2epub doesn't like custom styles. It is apparently
>> designed for fairly simple documents, using LO's built-in styles. It can't
>> handle the elaborate formatting of the LO User Guides.
>>
>
>That was an ambitious test! Perhaps LaTeX might be better: convert to
>(x)html using tex4ht and then compile the epub. Personally, would edit
>the xml using a text editor and compile the epub via the command
>terminal; compilation is surprisingly easy.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments in .doc

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I kinda agree with most of what Pedro says except that MS Office already is 
making an effort to be ODF compatible.  We are already beginning to have an 
impact on MS and need to make sure we push that further by using ODF more and 
more.  

MSO 2010 and 2007 use an ancient version of ODF that no-one else has used for 
new documents for many years but their MSO 2013 and 365 uses the current 
version that everyone else has been using since way before 2007.  


Note that if you do have documents that use the older version of ODT then those 
still work fine in current and probably future versions of LibreOffice, 
OpenOffice (and the rest).  The devs wrote a new patch a few months ago to 
bring all the older specs together in a much more streamlined way to make sure 
of that.  Also, just like the current spec, the older one is fully documented 
and was implemented exactly as written-up.  So, even in 30 or 40 years or 
longer it's highly likely to be able to get someone to quickly cobble together 
some sort of reader.  

Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: Pedro 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013, 11:25
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments in 
>.doc
> 
>
>e-letter wrote
>> Are you seriously suggesting programmers' time should be spent on a
>> minor proprietary format comment feature instead of improving software
>> QA for LO odf??? Astonishing.
>
>If LO would ignore compatibility with DOC then it would become an island
>(which only used the ODF file format). If documents can not move back and
>forward between people who use MSO and LO then people will stop using LO.
>It's as simple as that.
>
>So, yes, LO programmers have to "waste" time to make DOC 100% compatible
>because you can be damn sure that MS will NOT make an effort to be 100% ODF
>compatible.
>
>Just my 2 cents ;)
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments in .doc

[Gordon Burgess-Parker]

On 14/08/13 11:51, Tom Davies wrote:
> MSO 2013 and 365 uses the current version that everyone else has been using 
> since way before 2007.  
>
>
>
And have they taken out the "bug" (cough cough) whereby if an ods
document is opened in MS Excel all the formulae are stripped out, just
leaving the last value instead?
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Alfresco integration

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Actually it is LibreOffice that is leading the way on this
https://www.libreoffice.org/home/Discover
The video in the CMIS section might help, or might not but the voice sounds 
nice and it might give some ideas.  

But it's still fairly rare to find people that are actually doing it and are on 
these lists.  It would be a good idea to contact Apache OpenOffice forums just 
in case there are people there.  I'm tempted to forwards this question to other 
list here at LO.  The marketing team might have someone that knows.  


Note that while many of us are indeed individuals we also work in offices, 
schools/colleges, government departments and other places where we have to 
collaborate with other colleagues.  One of the 5 governments of Spain fairly 
recently migrated 70,000 desktops to Gnu&Linux due to the success of a pilot 
program that put 30,000 in a few years earlier and this sort of thing is on the 
increase across most of Europe, already happened in Brasil, and other places

Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: e-letter 
>To: Josh Bitto  
>Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org"  
>Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013, 11:15
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Alfresco integration
> 
>
>On 06/08/2013, Josh Bitto  wrote:
>> I'm using 4.2.c community of Alfresco and I'm having an issue where viewing
>> a spreadsheet file in preview only shows it in portrait. I'm wondering if it
>> possible to show in landscape. I've touched base in the Alfresco forums and
>> another member suggested that I look at LibreOffice and see how it handles
>> the document. Has anyone had issues similar to mine?
>>
>
>Most users are probably individuals and therefore have no need for
>collaborative document management, whilst corporate users will mostly
>use m$o/shareoffice. Maybe try apache open office mailing list, where
>there may be a better chance of document management users within the
>oracle community.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments in .doc

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Yes, that problem was only in 2010 and 2007 and was due to their pathetic 
attempts to use the older ODT (well specifically ods) format that no-one else 
was using much at that time because we had all moved on to the newer version.  
Their 2013 and 365 uses the newer format so they don't suffer from that issue 
(apparently)
Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: Gordon Burgess-Parker 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013, 12:07
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments 
>in .doc
> 
>
>On 14/08/13 11:51, Tom Davies wrote:
>> MSO 2013 and 365 uses the current version that everyone else has been using 
>> since way before 2007.  
>>
>>
>>
>And have they taken out the "bug" (cough cough) whereby if an ods
>document is opened in MS Excel all the formulae are stripped out, just
>leaving the last value instead?
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments in .doc

[Gordon Burgess-Parker]

On 14/08/13 12:16, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> Yes, that problem was only in 2010 and 2007 and was due to their
> pathetic attempts to use the older ODT (well specifically ods) format
> that no-one else was using much at that time because we had all moved
> on to the newer version.  Their 2013 and 365 uses the newer format so
> they don't suffer from that issue (apparently)
> Regards from
> Tom :) 
>
>

That's good to hear!
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer

[Tom Davies]

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications




>
> From: Joaquín Lameiro 
>To: Tom Davies ; e-letter ; Virgil 
>Arrington  
>Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org"  
>Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013, 11:47
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer
> 
>
>Hi.
>
>Has anybody tried to do the exporting with eLAIX? It's in the official LO 
>extensions repository, and I think it works quite well:
>http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/elaix
>
>I can give it a try, if someone gives me the link to a specific ODT document.
>Regards,
>Joaquín
>
>
>
>
>
>De: Tom Davies 
>Para: e-letter ; Virgil Arrington  
>CC: "users@global.libreoffice.org"  
>Enviado: Miércoles 14 de agosto de 2013 12:30
>Asunto: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer
>
>
>Hi :)
>That sounds like a nightmare!  You made it look like a series of stepping 
>stones rather than the single hop we were hoping for.  
>
>However, when i look again you are really talking about just 1 format in the 
>middle?  Then the extra editing is just an optional finesse that Virgil could 
>probably dodge for the test-run?  
>
>The command-line bit also sounds a bit scary but if you could give a command 
>that Virgil could try out by using copy&paste then that might be "do-able"
>Regards from 
>Tom :)  
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> From: e-letter 
>>To: Virgil Arrington  
>>Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>>Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013, 10:44
>>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer
>> 
>>
>>On 13/08/2013, Virgil Arrington  wrote:
>>> I just did a couple experiments with LO and Writer2epub. I tried converting
>>>
>>> the entire 390 page Getting Started book to EPUB. It choked. I then tried
>>> doing the same with just the 18 page introduction. Same result. No EPUB
>>> output file was generated.
>>>
>>> I noticed that Writer2epub doesn't like custom styles. It is apparently
>>> designed for fairly simple documents, using LO's built-in styles. It can't
>>> handle the elaborate formatting of the LO User Guides.
>>>
>>
>>That was an ambitious test! Perhaps LaTeX might be better: convert to
>>(x)html using tex4ht and then compile the epub. Personally, would edit
>>the xml using a text editor and compile the epub via the command
>>terminal; compilation is surprisingly easy.
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments in .doc

[Tanstaafl]

On 2013-08-14 7:07 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker  wrote:

On 14/08/13 11:51, Tom Davies wrote:

MSO 2013 and 365 uses the current version that everyone else has been using 
since way before 2007.



And have they taken out the "bug" (cough cough) whereby if an ods
document is opened in MS Excel all the formulae are stripped out, just
leaving the last value instead?


Yes, I believe they have...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments in .doc

[Tanstaafl]

On 2013-08-14 6:09 AM, e-letter  wrote:

the primary use of LO is to create and increase the quantity of odf
documents, not to be a free m$ clone.


So says e-letter, the creator and primary author of 
OpenOffice-Now-Libreoffice. all hail e-letter! (not)



Why can't you afford to use a legitimate copy of m$?


Why can't you bite your tongue rather than post offensive replies to 
people asking simple questions. Asshat.



Are you seriously suggesting programmers' time should be spent on a
minor proprietary format comment feature instead of improving software
QA for LO odf??? Astonishing.


What is astonishing is how you can be so ridiculously obtuse.

Are you seriously suggesting that programmers shouldn't spend a little 
time fixing minor issues that make everyone's use of the software more 
pleasant.


What Libreoffice really needs is a very simple, and *separate*, bug 
reporting page dedicated to one purpose - allowing users to submit 
documents that have formatting problems - *both* OpenDoc formats *and* 
Microsoft formats. Just a simple page where the user can upload the 
document, and provide a description of the problem.


Then any bug triagers who are interested in improving document 
formatting and compatibility issues could quickly find these 
submissions, confirm (or deny) them (or request more information from 
the submitter), then convert the ones that are reproducible to real 
(confirmed) bugs for tracking by the devs.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer

[Virgil Arrington]

I installed it through LO's extension manager.

I also found that I had to change the name of the extension file from a 
"zip" file to an "oxt" file. I just did that through Windows Explorer. Even 
though LO's extension manager says it recognizes ZIP files, it installed 
better with an OXT extension. I don't know why.


Now that I think about it, maybe that was the key variable rather than 
uninstalling AOO. Looks like I changed too many variables to be able to say 
for certain *which* change made the whole thing work. And, I did it all so 
quickly that I cannot now recall the order of all my changes.


Virgil

-Original Message- 
From: jorge

Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:43 PM
To: Virgil Arrington
Cc: Kracked_P_P---webmaster ; users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer

Hi all !

Virgil, How did you try to install the "writer2epub" ? Did you use the
wizzard that have LO or AOO ?

Regards,

Jorge Rodríguez


El mar, 13-08-2013 a las 20:36 -0400, Virgil Arrington escribió:
I got mine from http://lukesblog.it/ebooks/ebook-tools/writer2epub/. 
There's
a version that words for LO 3, LO 4 and AOO 3, along with a separate 
version

for AOO 4.

My problem wasn't that I had the wrong version. I got the version that was
designed for LO. It just wouldn't install as long as I had AOO on my 
system.

Once I uninstalled AOO, the extension worked fine with LO.

Of course, I have no idea *why* this behavior occurred. I won't blame AOO 
or

anything else. I can't even scientifically say that LO and AOO had a
conflict. I just know that, once I uninstalled AOO, I was able to install
the writer2epub extension into my LO. I recalled someone else on the list
saying that LO and AOO may conflict by sharing common Windows registry
entries. That stuff is beyond my abilities, but I just shared it for 
others

who may be interested.

Virgil



-Original Message- 
From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster

Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 7:41 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer


There is a version for AOO, several actually written by a guy with an
Italian country code.

One for version if for 3.x, another for 4.0, and a new Beta one.

So you may need to look into which one you are using for which version
of LO or AOO.

I found this out by Googling "odf to epub converter"


On 08/13/2013 04:15 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
> Another thing I noticed about the writer2epub extension. When I first
> downloaded it, it would not properly install into my LO 3.6.7. I then
> uninstalled my AOO 3.4.1 and AOO 4.0. The writer2epub extension then
> installed into LO.
>
> It appears (as others have alluded) that LO and AOO have some conflicts
> when installed side by side on the same machine (registry perhaps which 
> is
> beyond my knowledge). Since I'm finding that LO is progressing better 
> than

> AOO, I'm happy to commit to just one of the suites.
>
> Virgil
>
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Virgil Arrington
> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 2:58 PM
> To: Tom Davies
> Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer
>
> I just redid the Writer2epub test with my theology paper after applying
> default LO styles. It worked a *lot* better. I really liked the way it
> handled the default "Text Body" style by not indenting the first 
> paragraph

> after a heading and then indenting subsequent paragraphs. That is
> excellent
> typography (a standard in LaTeX) and often missing in EPUB files. 
> However,

> it still ignored my attempt to apply outline numbering to the default
> Heading styles. But, it did recognize the heading styles for my table of
> contents and navigation keys on my Kindle.
>
> As you allude, this is a good tool as long as you understand what it 
> will,

> and will not, do. Work within its parameters and you'll like the result.
> Try
> to make it work *your* way, and it will disappoint.
>
> Virgil
>
> -Original Message- From: Tom Davies
> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 2:41 PM
> To: Virgil Arrington
> Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer
>
> Hi :)
> That sounds a lot like LaTeX being best if you stick with their defaults
> so
> it kinda makes sense to me.  I think the Docs Team (i think mostly Dan &
> Jean wasn't it?) experimented with a few ways of getting ePubs from the
> guides and they might have useful ideas about it even though it's years
> later already.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
>
>> 
>> From: Virgil Arrington 
>> To: Tom Davies ; e-letter 
>> Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, 13 August 2013, 19:22
>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer
>>
>>
>> I just did a couple experiments with LO and Writer2epub. I tried
>> converting
>> the entire 390 page Getting Started book to EPUB. It choked. I then 
>> tried

>> doing the same wit

Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer

[Virgil Arrington]

I was just playing around. I'm not so motivated as to do all of what you're 
suggesting.


I've had a Kindle now for a couple years, and I've been fascinated with 
trying different ways of creating/converting documents for its use. The 
basic Kindle (as opposed to the Fire), is just a text reader. While it will 
display graphics, it's not very elegant. I've found that books with anything 
more than a stream of text create issues for the Kindle.


I have to wonder if the LO user guides are simply too complex for elegant 
translation to e-reader format.


Virgil

-Original Message- 
From: e-letter

Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:44 AM
To: Virgil Arrington
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer

On 13/08/2013, Virgil Arrington  wrote:
I just did a couple experiments with LO and Writer2epub. I tried 
converting


the entire 390 page Getting Started book to EPUB. It choked. I then tried
doing the same with just the 18 page introduction. Same result. No EPUB
output file was generated.

I noticed that Writer2epub doesn't like custom styles. It is apparently
designed for fairly simple documents, using LO's built-in styles. It can't
handle the elaborate formatting of the LO User Guides.



That was an ambitious test! Perhaps LaTeX might be better: convert to
(x)html using tex4ht and then compile the epub. Personally, would edit
the xml using a text editor and compile the epub via the command
terminal; compilation is surprisingly easy. 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments in .doc

[James Knott]

Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
> And have they taken out the "bug" (cough cough) 

I thought that was a "feature".  At least it is if you listen to MS.  ;-)

BTW, don't forget about them making that year 1900 Excel bug an ISO
standard.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments in .doc

[James Knott]

Tom Davies wrote:
> Yes, that problem was only in 2010 and 2007 and was due to their pathetic 
> attempts to use the older ODT (well specifically ods) format that no-one else 
> was using much at that time because we had all moved on to the newer version. 
>  Their 2013 and 365 uses the newer format so they don't suffer from that 
> issue (apparently)

Except, other apps using the older spec didn't do that.  It was an Excel
only feature.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Book-writing with Writer

[Urmas]

"e-letter":


...maybe epub for electronic archives.


EPUB is an Apple/Adobe proprietary format not supported beyond iF... 
devices, which is missing critical features needed for books.

It's not an option.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments in .doc

[Urmas]

"James Knott":

BTW, don't forget about them making that year 1900 Excel bug an ISO 
standard.


* Lotus 1900 bug.

Microsoft has introduced a 1904-system. 




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org

[Andrew Douglas Pitonyak]

On 08/13/2013 02:32 AM, Dave Barton wrote:

1. http://www.oooforum.org The independent "unofficial" one Jim was
referring to. For reasons nobody has been able to explain, their server
is at best unreliable and frequently times out.
oooforum was setup and is controlled by a single very busy person with 
no help from anyone else in any way. So, it uses resources available to 
this person and is maintained by this person. The other forum is 
maintained by a group of volunteers so there are more people to fix it.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments in .doc

[Gordon Burgess-Parker]

On 14/08/13 13:28, James Knott wrote:
> Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
>> And have they taken out the "bug" (cough cough) 
> I thought that was a "feature".  At least it is if you listen to MS.  ;-)
>
> BTW, don't forget about them making that year 1900 Excel bug an ISO
> standard.
>

ROTFLMAO!

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org

[Andrew Douglas Pitonyak]

On 08/13/2013 06:38 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
If it is a completely independant forum and one that is owned by the community could we 
just copy it and host on TDF or LO servers?  Alternatively might they be in a better 
position to ask Apache to host it or donate a better server to them?  or could TDF donate 
a better server to them?  There are neutral 3rd parties such as "Friends of 
OpenDocument", ODFAuthors, OASIS.


I may be missing something, so, if my answer is non-nonsensical; sorry..


If you are suggesting that "oooforum" can be hosted by a neutral 3rd 
party, I don't expect that to happen. The site owner is unwilling to 
give up control. I assume you could call it a sentimental attachment. He 
is also unable to provide sufficient rights to others to help maintain 
it because it is hosted in an area where outside administrative rights 
cannot be granted.


I shot an email to the site owner and asked if he was aware that it is 
currently down and has been for a while. He is on California time, so no 
idea if he is even awake at this moment.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to change direction of Outline Numbering to RTL in LO Writer?

[Dotan Cohen]

Hi Sina. When opening your thesis I see the numbers in Arabic numerals
(the 0-9 digits common to Westerners), not in Hindu numerals (the
digits commonly seen in Arabic, Persian, and Urdu). This is probably
due to my locale settings.

Note that I could reproduce your issue both in the document that you
linked to and in original Hebrew documents. I attribute the problem to
the fact that the period "." is a non-directional character, so the
whole 4.2.1 block is treated as LTR. See here for an explanation:
http://dotancohen.com/howto/rtl_right_to_left.html

The way to 'force' RTL display of subsections is to put an invisible
RTL character after each number. You can get the character at the
bottom of the page linked to above, it is called "RLM". Another 'fix'
would be if there were to exist an RTL period ".", however I am
unaware of the existence of such a character. Note that the RLM
character actually appears on the Lyx Hebrew keyboard (shift-ט). I do
not know if it appears on the Persian keyboard.

Considering the above, this is not a LibreOffice bug. However, I will
add my comments about how to work with this issue in LibreOffice. I am
interested in how MS Office handles this corner case.

You can always CC me RTL-related issues. I maintain gibberish.co.il
and I'm quite versed in RTL issues. I can read Arabic letters, so I
can read Persian, but I do not know the meaning of the sounds that I
am reading. Best of luck on your thesis.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Including code example in documents

[Andrew Douglas Pitonyak]

On 08/11/2013 09:22 PM, aihaike wrote:

Hey Miguel,

thank you for you reply.
This the kind of macro I need but it does not seem to work with LibreOffice
4 unfortunately.
I think I'm going to make a snapshot of my codes and include them  as a
picture.
   
   Éric.




I use it in LO 4 all the time, what error do you receive?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments in .doc

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
And that 1904 thing is also non-standard, almost a bug, isn't it?  
regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: Urmas 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013, 13:46
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments in 
>.doc
> 
>
>"James Knott":
>
>> BTW, don't forget about them making that year 1900 Excel bug an ISO 
>> standard.
>
>* Lotus 1900 bug.
>
>Microsoft has introduced a 1904-system. 
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to change direction of Outline Numbering to RTL in LO Writer?

[Dotan Cohen]

 Now that I've read the bug I see that you've already discovered the
RLM character. I have nothingto add to your assessment, other than the
fact that I fully support the notion that it should be fixed!

Thanks, Sina.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Including code example in documents

[Andrew Douglas Pitonyak]

On 08/12/2013 12:44 PM, Jim Byrnes wrote:

On 08/12/2013 09:04 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

If none of the suggestions you have received already work for you.  
You might want to look at Andrew Pitonyak's book [1]. It has syntax 
highlighted basic code.  I don't know if you can tell how he did by 
looking at the document though.


[1]  http://www.pitonyak.org/book/


I did it using the referenced plug-in. My macro documents is the reason 
I wrote the plug-in in the first place. I add new languages as I need to 
highlight them. I have added some by special request.


I am currently using that plug-in in LO 4. I have not used it in the 
latest version of LO because when I installed the latest version, I was 
suddenly not able to open any of my password protected files. I do not 
know if it was related to some other issue (like LO was damaged when I 
updated from Fedora 18 to Fedora 19), but removing the latest and going 
back one version allowed me to open my password protected files again


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Sounds like someone we should be supporting if it's at all possible.  is there 
anything we can do?  Could Friends of OpenDocument Format be approached to see 
if they could help?  
Regards from 
Tom :)  





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> From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013, 13:59
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org
> 
>
>
>On 08/13/2013 02:32 AM, Dave Barton wrote:
>> 1. http://www.oooforum.org The independent "unofficial" one Jim was
>> referring to. For reasons nobody has been able to explain, their server
>> is at best unreliable and frequently times out.
>oooforum was setup and is controlled by a single very busy person with 
>no help from anyone else in any way. So, it uses resources available to 
>this person and is maintained by this person. The other forum is 
>maintained by a group of volunteers so there are more people to fix it.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer

[Tom Davies]

Hi  :)
Yes, it was a good trial run.  I was wondering how much further you would have 
time for or if anyone else would be keen to "take the batton" and see if they 
could take it further.
Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: Virgil Arrington 
>To: e-letter  
>Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013, 12:45
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer
> 
>
>I was just playing around. I'm not so motivated as to do all of what you're 
>suggesting.
>
>I've had a Kindle now for a couple years, and I've been fascinated with trying 
>different ways of creating/converting documents for its use. The basic Kindle 
>(as opposed to the Fire), is just a text reader. While it will display 
>graphics, it's not very elegant. I've found that books with anything more than 
>a stream of text create issues for the Kindle.
>
>I have to wonder if the LO user guides are simply too complex for elegant 
>translation to e-reader format.
>
>Virgil
>
>-Original Message- From: e-letter
>Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:44 AM
>To: Virgil Arrington
>Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer
>
>On 13/08/2013, Virgil Arrington  wrote:
>> I just did a couple experiments with LO and Writer2epub. I tried converting
>> 
>> the entire 390 page Getting Started book to EPUB. It choked. I then tried
>> doing the same with just the 18 page introduction. Same result. No EPUB
>> output file was generated.
>> 
>> I noticed that Writer2epub doesn't like custom styles. It is apparently
>> designed for fairly simple documents, using LO's built-in styles. It can't
>> handle the elaborate formatting of the LO User Guides.
>> 
>
>That was an ambitious test! Perhaps LaTeX might be better: convert to
>(x)html using tex4ht and then compile the epub. Personally, would edit
>the xml using a text editor and compile the epub via the command
>terminal; compilation is surprisingly easy. 
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[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4.1 and the Windows taskbar

[M Henri Day]

I've recently had the unenviable task of updating several computers running
Windows 7 and Windows 8 as either single or dual boots. One of the odd
things I've noticed is that after updating LO 4.0.4.2 to LO 4.1.0.4, I can
only fasten the LibO and Writer icons to the Windows taskbar. Previously
all the LibO programme icons could be fastened to the taskbar with a simple
right-click, but as I said, this seems no longer to be the case. Has anyone
else experienced this - admittedly relatively minor, but still irritating -
issue and is there any way to rectify it ? I've encountered no such
difficulty after updating LibO on either Linux Mint 15 or Ubuntu 12.04 LTS,
but of course, GNU/Linux is GNU/Linux and Windows is Windows

Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments in .doc

[Katanohporos]

Well I think for easier migration it would be nicer to have the best 
compartibility with MS formats because:


Many companies may have a HUGE amount of documents so it would cost 
effective to buy a MS licence instead of spending time to convert all 
these files into odf and free formats.


On 13/08/2013 08:53 μμ, Girvin R. Herr wrote:


On 08/13/2013 05:27 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
It's quite likely. A bug-report is a good idea. An example file might 
help.


Btw i assume your MSO users have stuck with some ancient version of 
MSO, such as 2007 or something? I think the compatibility with 2013 
is better and that is likely to create problems with compatibility 
with older versions of MSO.
This implication concerns me! If LO is going to drop .doc as a 
standard, then my advice to others to use .doc instead of .docx as a 
common interchange standard is in jeopardy. I hope LO never drops .doc 
as a standard. That said, I had to open a .docx form I received the 
other week and LO opened it fine, with the exception of the usual font 
size problems that ran text off the right margin. That was easily 
fixed by changing the font size.

Regards.
Girvin Herr



Are you sure it's .Doc rather than .DocX that is causing the problem? 
Most MSO users have no idea how to save in anything other than DocX 
so it's FAR more likely they are sending you DocX files and not even 
realising it or even believing they are sending Doc because they just 
don't really know what they are using and just jumping on the last 
name they vaguely recognise. Windows tries to hide the endings so 
they really don't know what they are using most of the time.


Doc itself is being deprecated in order to push people into using the 
newer DocX and thus forcing people to buy newer versions of MSO even 
if it's to do exactly the same work that MSO 2003 and earlier could do.

Regards from
Tom :)








From: Rogier F. van Vlissingen 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tuesday, 13 August 2013, 12:27
Subject: [libreoffice-users] MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - 
comments in .doc



Ever since 4.0 I have had increasing problems with file 
compatibility with

MSO...

Currently I am working on a project with MSO users and when I open a 
.doc
which contains any comments, what happens is the last character 
BEFORE the
comment anchor is reduced in font size, and therefore when you 
delete the

comment, you now have to go into the text to fix the font size.

Anyone had the same? I think it's time for a bug report.








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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to change direction of Outline Numbering to RTL in LO Writer?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
+1
I can't really vote on this and this isn't really a voting list anyway but if i 
could vote i would give it +1
Regards from 
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>
> From: Dotan Cohen 
>To: Sina Momken  
>Cc: LibreOffice.  
>Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013, 14:10
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to change direction of Outline 
>Numbering to RTL in LO Writer?
> 
>
>Now that I've read the bug I see that you've already discovered the
>RLM character. I have nothingto add to your assessment, other than the
>fact that I fully support the notion that it should be fixed!
>
>Thanks, Sina.
>
>-- 
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>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4.1 and the Windows taskbar

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Good work and well done for getting through it!!  I keep putting it off so i 
tend to stick with x.x.4 releases to avoid needing to support the users any 
more than i really have to.  However the 4.1.0 does add a lot of better 
compatibility so i probably should do the same as you.  

Sorry to hear about the problem there!  I don't know if anyone else has a good 
answer for that but i hope they do!
Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: M Henri Day 
>To: "users@global.libreoffice.org"  
>Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013, 14:53
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4.1 and the Windows taskbar
> 
>
>I've recently had the unenviable task of updating several computers running
>Windows 7 and Windows 8 as either single or dual boots. One of the odd
>things I've noticed is that after updating LO 4.0.4.2 to LO 4.1.0.4, I can
>only fasten the LibO and Writer icons to the Windows taskbar. Previously
>all the LibO programme icons could be fastened to the taskbar with a simple
>right-click, but as I said, this seems no longer to be the case. Has anyone
>else experienced this - admittedly relatively minor, but still irritating -
>issue and is there any way to rectify it ? I've encountered no such
>difficulty after updating LibO on either Linux Mint 15 or Ubuntu 12.04 LTS,
>but of course, GNU/Linux is GNU/Linux and Windows is Windows
>
>Henri
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)  
Ok, so if it is hosted on a single server then maybe we could ask "Friends of 
.." or some similar organisations to contribute towards the costs of a new 
server?  or pay to get it hosted through a dedicated hosting service that hosts 
a lot of sites rather than however it is being done right now?  
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013, 14:03
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org
> 
>
>
>On 08/13/2013 06:38 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
>> Hi :)
>> If it is a completely independant forum and one that is owned by the 
>> community could we just copy it and host on TDF or LO servers?  
>> Alternatively might they be in a better position to ask Apache to host it or 
>> donate a better server to them?  or could TDF donate a better server to 
>> them?  There are neutral 3rd parties such as "Friends of OpenDocument", 
>> ODFAuthors, OASIS.
>>
>I may be missing something, so, if my answer is non-nonsensical; sorry..
>
>
>If you are suggesting that "oooforum" can be hosted by a neutral 3rd 
>party, I don't expect that to happen. The site owner is unwilling to 
>give up control. I assume you could call it a sentimental attachment. He 
>is also unable to provide sufficient rights to others to help maintain 
>it because it is hosted in an area where outside administrative rights 
>cannot be granted.
>
>I shot an email to the site owner and asked if he was aware that it is 
>currently down and has been for a while. He is on California time, so no 
>idea if he is even awake at this moment.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments in .doc

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Quite!  

Some could view it as a marketing ploy to push people into using their format.  
i can image the calls telling users they need to avoid 3rd party formats as 
though 3rd party is somehow dodgy rather than just meaning that MS can't manage 
to write code to support their own format let alone other organisations.  

However, now they seem to have been pushed into properly supporting the right 
format rather than just "paying lip service"
Regards from 
Tom :)  






>
> From: James Knott 
>To: LibreOffice  
>Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013, 13:30
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments 
>in .doc
> 
>
>Tom Davies wrote:
>> Yes, that problem was only in 2010 and 2007 and was due to their pathetic 
>> attempts to use the older ODT (well specifically ods) format that no-one 
>> else was using much at that time because we had all moved on to the newer 
>> version.  Their 2013 and 365 uses the newer format so they don't suffer from 
>> that issue (apparently)
>
>Except, other apps using the older spec didn't do that.  It was an Excel
>only feature.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments in .doc

[James Knott]

Tom Davies wrote:
> Some could view it as a marketing ploy to push people into using their
> format.  i can image the calls telling users they need to avoid 3rd
> party formats as though 3rd party is somehow dodgy rather than just
> meaning that MS can't manage to write code to support their own format
> let alone other organisations. 
>

One thing to bear in mind is the ODF formats were derived from the
original StarOffice formats and spreadsheets in that format worked fine
in StarOffice, and later OpenOffice, for years.

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[libreoffice-users] Weblog extension not working in 4.1?

[Gordon Burgess-Parker]

Using LO 4.1 on Ubuntu 13.04
Installed the Sun Weblog extension, configured my Blog in it.
Everything seems to work EXCEPT it won't post to the Blog!
Doesn't matter whether I do File-Send-To Weblog or click on the "To
Weblog" icon, nothing happens.
Any one got a solution or should I report a bug?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Fixing Printing Paper Defaults

[Budgie]

On 14/08/13 01:32, Brian Barker wrote:

At 22:53 13/08/2013 +0100, Alastair Noname wrote:

I note I can modify the First Page style but what I think I need to do
is create a new "first page" style called say "Home Address Letter"
style.  I don't know how the style properties for the first page are
created but I presume I can modify the "First Page" style and save it
as "Home Address Letter"  Is that right?


o Open the Styles & Formatting window.
o Click on the Page Styles icon.
o Double-click on First Page. (This applies First Page page style to the
page containing the cursor.)
o Click on "New Style from Selection" and then "New Style from Selection".
o Give your new style a name. You now have a copy of the First Page page
style with your new name.
o Right-click on the new style in the list and select Modify... .
o Modify your new page style as required.


In fact I need two letter first pages, one for office and one for home
so further help would be appreciated.


It would be easier to create one first page style in each of two
separate templates, wouldn't it?  You'd never want two first pages in
one document.


The second question concerns fonts.  I am used to having the font
included within the style definition.  Is this possible with LO?


Yes, but fonts are hardly page properties - so they are not a property
of page styles.  Fonts are a property of paragraph styles (and of
character styles).  Your templates will have default paragraph styles
(perhaps Default or "Text body"?), and you can select a preferred font
in each of those - or, indeed, in multiple paragraph styles.

Brian Barker


Hi Brian,
All clear and yes I agree two templates for two first pages.
Many thanks again.
Budge

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4.1 and the Windows taskbar

[M Henri Day]

2013/8/14 Tom Davies 

> Hi :)
> Good work and well done for getting through it!!  I keep putting it off so
> i tend to stick with x.x.4 releases to avoid needing to support the users
> any more than i really have to.  However the 4.1.0 does add a lot of better
> compatibility so i probably should do the same as you.
>
> Sorry to hear about the problem there!  I don't know if anyone else has a
> good answer for that but i hope they do!
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
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> *To:* "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 14 August 2013, 14:53
> *Subject:* [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4.1 and the Windows taskbar
>
> I've recently had the unenviable task of updating several computers running
> Windows 7 and Windows 8 as either single or dual boots. One of the odd
> things I've noticed is that after updating LO 4.0.4.2 to LO 4.1.0.4, I can
> only fasten the LibO and Writer icons to the Windows taskbar. Previously
> all the LibO programme icons could be fastened to the taskbar with a simple
> right-click, but as I said, this seems no longer to be the case. Has anyone
> else experienced this - admittedly relatively minor, but still irritating -
> issue and is there any way to rectify it ? I've encountered no such
> difficulty after updating LibO on either Linux Mint 15 or Ubuntu 12.04 LTS,
> but of course, GNU/Linux is GNU/Linux and Windows is Windows
>
> Henri
>
>
​As I've mentioned previously, Tom, I very much appreciate the work that
the developers have done on the latest version of LibO ; among other
things, it certainly seems to load more quickly, which is a great plus. As
a matter of fact, I had noticed the taskbar issue when updating some other
machines earlier, but hadn't thought to report it. Since, as I say, I've
seen it on several machines and not yet found one on which pinning other
icons than the LibO icon and that for writer works in 4.1.0.4, I must
assume that I'm not the only one to have encountered the problem. But it
would be interesting to hear if others can confirm it

Henri

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[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1 and the Windows taskbar

[V Stuart Foote]

Issues with Windows 7 and 8,  Taskbar  & Startmenu and Jump List
implementation has been cleaned up on the 4.1.1 and master builds.  Should
have better results with the upcomming 4.1.1 release.

See  FDO#35785    for
details.

Stuart





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Book-writing with Writer

[Ginterak]

http://idpf.org/epub

On Aug 14, 2013, at 4:33 AM, "Urmas"  wrote:

> "e-letter":
> 
>> ...maybe epub for electronic archives.
> 
> EPUB is an Apple/Adobe proprietary format not supported beyond iF... devices, 
> which is missing critical features needed for books.
> It's not an option.
> 
> 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments in .doc

[Tom Davies]

Hi :) 
Better compatibility with the formats sometimes means using a branch early in 
it's life-cycle and that sometimes means it might not be 100% as stable as the 
x.x.4 of the earlier branch.  

So it's a balancing act for which  we each need to find our own comfort-zone.  


Usually whichever you choose is good enough to open almost anything.  It's 
increasingly rare to manage to find something that doesn't open at all.  It's 
more a question of how perfect you want it to look.  Usually it looks better in 
LO than just a different version of MSO from whichever one created it but 
that's not always true either.  It's all a bit unpredictable with MSO formats.  
To some extent that is also true with any format and any program but i tend to 
find it's mostly MSO formats that suffer most.  

The best bet, right now, is to use Doc as an intermediary format.  MS have 
stopped developing new features for it but might still be doing bug-fixes, 
maybe.  So it's less likely to create surprises.  DocX keeps popping up with 
surprises.  Odt is stable because it's developed by a committee and LO complies 
with that although by default it adds a little extra but again that little 
extra is well documented.  So, Odt is likely to become the best choice and i 
tend to use it like that already because all machines in this office already 
have LibreOffice.  In any other place or for "outsiders" i might use Doc still 
and i still encourage outsiders to give me Docs (and sometimes that means 
teaching them where the "Save As..." option is).  However, like i said we all 
need to find our own sweet-spots and see how that changes as ODF becomes more 
widely accepted.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: Katanohporos 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013, 15:08
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments in 
>.doc
> 
>
>Well I think for easier migration it would be nicer to have the best 
>compatibility with MS formats because:
>
>Many companies may have a HUGE amount of documents so it would cost 
>effective to buy a MS licence instead of spending time to convert all 
>these files into odf and free formats.
>
>On 13/08/2013 08:53 μμ, Girvin R. Herr wrote:
>>
>> On 08/13/2013 05:27 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
>>> Hi :)
>>> It's quite likely. A bug-report is a good idea. An example file might 
>>> help.
>>>
>>> Btw i assume your MSO users have stuck with some ancient version of 
>>> MSO, such as 2007 or something? I think the compatibility with 2013 
>>> is better and that is likely to create problems with compatibility 
>>> with older versions of MSO.
>> This implication concerns me! If LO is going to drop .doc as a 
>> standard, then my advice to others to use .doc instead of .docx as a 
>> common interchange standard is in jeopardy. I hope LO never drops .doc 
>> as a standard. That said, I had to open a .docx form I received the 
>> other week and LO opened it fine, with the exception of the usual font 
>> size problems that ran text off the right margin. That was easily 
>> fixed by changing the font size.
>> Regards.
>> Girvin Herr
>>
>>>
>>> Are you sure it's .Doc rather than .DocX that is causing the problem? 
>>> Most MSO users have no idea how to save in anything other than DocX 
>>> so it's FAR more likely they are sending you DocX files and not even 
>>> realising it or even believing they are sending Doc because they just 
>>> don't really know what they are using and just jumping on the last 
>>> name they vaguely recognise. Windows tries to hide the endings so 
>>> they really don't know what they are using most of the time.
>>>
>>> Doc itself is being deprecated in order to push people into using the 
>>> newer DocX and thus forcing people to buy newer versions of MSO even 
>>> if it's to do exactly the same work that MSO 2003 and earlier could do.
>>> Regards from
>>> Tom :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 
 From: Rogier F. van Vlissingen 
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Tuesday, 13 August 2013, 12:27
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - 
 comments in .doc


 Ever since 4.0 I have had increasing problems with file 
 compatibility with
 MSO...

 Currently I am working on a project with MSO users and when I open a 
 .doc
 which contains any comments, what happens is the last character 
 BEFORE the
 comment anchor is reduced in font size, and therefore when you 
 delete the
 comment, you now have to go into the text to fix the font size.

 Anyone had the same? I think it's time for a bug report.


>>
>>
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[libreoffice-users] Alfresco and libreoffice

[Josh Bitto]

Hello All,

I'm having an issue with how spreadsheets are being handled in alfresco and I'm 
trying to track the source down. Here's the issueWhen I upload any document 
into alfresco I can go to that document and it gives a "preview" of it in 
portrait form. That's wonderful if all documents were portrait rather than 
landscape. This creates a conflict when uploading spreadsheets. For whatever 
reason it "previews" in portrait instead of landscape. Looking at the document 
details they are in landscape. When downloading the document it is still in 
landscape. So I've ruled those out. I've got it down to either how libreoffice 
handles the document OR it might be pdf2swf when converting it to a flash 
preview.

I know I'm probably shooting blindly at this, but I'm wondering if anyone else 
has come across this issue. I've asked in alfresco forums and no one seems to 
have an answer there.


Joshua Bitto
Information Technologist
KCC




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Book-writing with Writer

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Does that mean it is an ISO standard?  It's a bit unclear who international 
Digital Publishing Forum are.  Are they widely known and accepted or are they 
just a branch of Adobe or Apple or someone?  
Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: Ginterak 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013, 16:27
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Book-writing with Writer
> 
>
>http://idpf.org/epub
>
>On Aug 14, 2013, at 4:33 AM, "Urmas"  wrote:
>
>> "e-letter":
>> 
>>> ...maybe epub for electronic archives.
>> 
>> EPUB is an Apple/Adobe proprietary format not supported beyond iF... 
>> devices, which is missing critical features needed for books.
>> It's not an option.
>> 
>> 
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RE: [libreoffice-users] Alfresco integration

[Josh Bitto]

Thank you both for your response on this matter. I will look into the 
suggestion that you advised and go from there. Have a great week!



Best Regards,


Josh



From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 4:13 AM
To: e-letter; Josh Bitto
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Alfresco integration

Hi :)
Actually it is LibreOffice that is leading the way on this
https://www.libreoffice.org/home/Discover
The video in the CMIS section might help, or might not but the voice sounds 
nice and it might give some ideas.

But it's still fairly rare to find people that are actually doing it and are on 
these lists.  It would be a good idea to contact Apache OpenOffice forums just 
in case there are people there.  I'm tempted to forwards this question to other 
list here at LO.  The marketing team might have someone that knows.


Note that while many of us are indeed individuals we also work in offices, 
schools/colleges, government departments and other places where we have to 
collaborate with other colleagues.  One of the 5 governments of Spain fairly 
recently migrated 70,000 desktops to Gnu&Linux due to the success of a pilot 
program that put 30,000 in a few years earlier and this sort of thing is on the 
increase across most of Europe, already happened in Brasil, and other places

Regards from
Tom :)


From: e-letter mailto:inp...@gmail.com>>
To: Josh Bitto mailto:jbi...@onlineschool.ca>>
Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
mailto:users@global.libreoffice.org>>
Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013, 11:15
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Alfresco integration

On 06/08/2013, Josh Bitto 
mailto:jbi...@onlineschool.ca>> wrote:
> I'm using 4.2.c community of Alfresco and I'm having an issue where viewing
> a spreadsheet file in preview only shows it in portrait. I'm wondering if it
> possible to show in landscape. I've touched base in the Alfresco forums and
> another member suggested that I look at LibreOffice and see how it handles
> the document. Has anyone had issues similar to mine?
>

Most users are probably individuals and therefore have no need for
collaborative document management, whilst corporate users will mostly
use m$o/shareoffice. Maybe try apache open office mailing list, where
there may be a better chance of document management users within the
oracle community.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org

[Dave Barton]

Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:
> 
> On 08/13/2013 02:32 AM, Dave Barton wrote:
>> 1. http://www.oooforum.org The independent "unofficial" one Jim was
>> referring to. For reasons nobody has been able to explain, their server
>> is at best unreliable and frequently times out.
> oooforum was setup and is controlled by a single very busy person with
> no help from anyone else in any way. So, it uses resources available to
> this person and is maintained by this person. The other forum is
> maintained by a group of volunteers so there are more people to fix it.

Yes Andrew, I am fully aware of the history behind oooforum.org and the
number of times in 10+ years the owner has refused outside help. You & I
both remember in the early days of OOo it was proposed to merge the two
forums and Ed would not even join in the discussion. He may well be a
very busy person and as you observe in another post "you could call it a
sentimental attachment", but over the years users have contributed a
vast amount of useful material, which is all too frequently locked away
from other users because of his personal workload and/or sentimentality.

My original reply was not intended as a criticism, it was just note to
indicate that one of the two longest established forums was not always
accessible.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Book-writing with Writer

[Joaquín Lameiro]

It is an ISO standard (or at least in the way to be): 
http://www.iso.org/iso/home/store/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=53255


Also, there's some useful information on Wikipedia. I didn't went to it 
thoroughly, though:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB

Maybe Urmas confused EPUB with the Digital Rights Management system (DRM) which 
is basically proprietary anticopy software, and is supported by EPUB (as a way 
to avoid piracy and, I guess, to control the market of books). But EPUB is open 
source, standardized and is the format used by most e-readers (by all, I will 
say, with the exception of Kindle, which of course has a proprietary file 
format). And there's no need to use DMR on it.




 De: Tom Davies 
Para: Ginterak ; "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
 
Enviado: Miércoles 14 de agosto de 2013 17:47
Asunto: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Book-writing with Writer
 

Hi :)
Does that mean it is an ISO standard?  It's a bit unclear who international 
Digital Publishing Forum are.  Are they widely known and accepted or are they 
just a branch of Adobe or Apple or someone?  
Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: Ginterak 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013, 16:27
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Book-writing with Writer
> 
>
>http://idpf.org/epub
>
>On Aug 14, 2013, at 4:33 AM, "Urmas"  wrote:
>
>> "e-letter":
>> 
>>> ...maybe epub for electronic archives.
>> 
>> EPUB is an Apple/Adobe proprietary format not supported beyond iF... 
>> devices, which is missing critical features needed for books.
>> It's not an option.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Book-writing with Writer

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Perhaps :)  I think there are a lot of us who still haven't checked out these 
fancy new gizmos.  I'm still calling LiveUsb a LiveCd and then having to 
correct myself.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: Joaquín Lameiro 
>To: Tom Davies ; Ginterak ; 
>"users@global.libreoffice.org"  
>Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013, 18:20
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Book-writing with Writer
> 
>
>It is an ISO standard (or at least in the way to be): 
>http://www.iso.org/iso/home/store/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=53255
>
>
>Also, there's some useful information on Wikipedia. I didn't went to it 
>thoroughly, though:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB
>
>Maybe Urmas confused EPUB with the Digital Rights Management system (DRM) 
>which is basically proprietary anticopy software, and is supported by EPUB (as 
>a way to avoid piracy and, I guess, to control the market of books). But EPUB 
>is open source, standardized and is the format used by most e-readers (by all, 
>I will say, with the exception of Kindle, which of course has a proprietary 
>file format). And there's no need to use DMR on it.
>
>
>
>
>De: Tom Davies 
>Para: Ginterak ; "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
> 
>Enviado: Miércoles 14 de agosto de 2013 17:47
>Asunto: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Book-writing with Writer
>
>
>Hi :)
>Does that mean it is an ISO standard?  It's a bit unclear who international 
>Digital Publishing Forum are.  Are they widely known and accepted or are they 
>just a branch of Adobe or Apple or someone?  
>Regards from 
>Tom :)  
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> From: Ginterak 
>>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>>Sent: Wednesday, 14 August 2013, 16:27
>>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Book-writing with Writer
>> 
>>
>>http://idpf.org/epub
>>
>>On Aug 14, 2013, at 4:33 AM, "Urmas"  wrote:
>>
>>> "e-letter":
>>> 
 ...maybe epub for electronic archives.
>>> 
>>> EPUB is an Apple/Adobe proprietary format not supported beyond iF... 
>>> devices, which is missing critical features needed for books.
>>> It's not an option.
>>> 
>>> 
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[libreoffice-users] More mail merge help needed

[Carl Paulsen]

I'm trying to create mail merge documents that contain merge fields for 
a document that can't connect directly to the data source.  That source 
(Salesforce) can read the documents if the field names are correctly 
entered.  I can type the field names in manually, but I can't figure out 
how to generate a label merge document that will work.


The mail merge wizard doesn't seemingly allow users to generate label 
merges (options are letter and email).  And I can't find a way to 
generate a merge document manually without using the wizard.  I see no 
menu items for mail merge steps (I can find the insert field tool, but 
that's it - no tool to allow me to switch between merge fields and 
merged data without going into the wizard).


I've tried starting with New->Labels, then choosing the correct label 
type and clicking New Document (I can't connect to the database, so 
can't enter the merge fields in the dialog).  I can then type in merge 
fields as Salesforce wants to see them, but I can't figure out how to 
make it a merge document with the "next record" and "next page" items.  
In Insert->Fields there is a Next Record option but it's only available 
when there's a database connected.


Finally, I've been through a lot of documentation so if there's a good 
mail merge document online, that might be enough.

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[libreoffice-users] Converting Access 2003 DB w/Security

[dfrerichs]

LO 4.o.2.2 on Windows XP Pro SP3

I am converting a 2003 Access DB that has different security settings for
different users contained in a .mdw file. I set it up in Base by connecting
to an existing ADO database and everything works fine as far as the security
settings go. 

The problem arises when I have to add or delete a new user or change an
existing user's rights. It seems that the only way I can modify the
workgroup settings is by opening the DB up in Access, changing the security
settings there and then saving the file. Then once I open the DB back up in
Base, it will honor the new security settings. If this is the only way to do
things, I can never get rid of Access! If anyone knows how I can change my
security settings in Base without having to use Access, I would really
appreciate the help.

Thanks, Dave 



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[libreoffice-users] Weblog extension not working in 4.1?

[Gordon Burgess-Parker]

I sent his to the list this afternoon - for some reason it didn't seem
to get there, so I apologize if it's gone twice!

Using LO 4.1 on Ubuntu 13.04
Installed the Sun Weblog extension, configured my Blog in it.
Everything seems to work EXCEPT it won't post to the Blog!
Doesn't matter whether I do File-Send-To Weblog or click on the "To
Weblog" icon, nothing happens.
Any one got a solution or should I report a bug?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: trying to integrate oracle forms with libreoffice

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
If this is a patch then perhaps you could make it into an Extension?  
Extensions can be licensed any way you like.  there is a suggestion to use a 
copy-left license such as MPL or LGPL but really i think the choice is yours.  

However if you did make it from code from Oracle then you will need their 
permission and i can't imagine them being happy about doing something that 
would help LibreOffice.  If the Extension works with Apache OpenOffice they 
might be happy with that as long as you didn't mention LibreOffice in the 
process.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  





>
> From: pasqual milvaques pons 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, 13 August 2013, 11:54
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: trying to integrate oracle forms with 
>libreoffice
> 
>
>Hi
>
>at the end I could made this work, the integration between libreoffice and
>webutil fails for two reasons:
>-there was no an adequate procedure for passing arrays as call arguments 
>-the version of the jacob java library which comes with oracle forms 10gR2
>was very old and doesn't support passing a arrays as arguments 
>
>I made a small component similar to webutil which uses a newer jacob library
>and implements the call for passing arrays as arguments. I have done some
>basic testing (open a new document a save it with some text) and it works. 
>
>I can't make the code public as the code is derived from Oracle code which
>comes with the Oracle Forms server but if anybody needs it I can send it in
>a private message
>
>best regards
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1 and the Windows taskbar

[M Henri Day]

2013/8/14 V Stuart Foote 

>
> Issues with Windows 7 and 8,  Taskbar  & Startmenu and Jump List
> implementation has been cleaned up on the 4.1.1 and master builds.  Should
> have better results with the upcomming 4.1.1 release.
>
> See  FDO#35785    for
> details.
>
> Stuart
>

​Thanks, Stuart ! I was a bit surprised to see this regression, given that,
as noted above. I didn't experience the problem using 4.0.4.2. In any event
I'm glad to hear that it's been resolved in 4.1.1, which given that an RC
has been released, can't be too far away

Henri​

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Weblog extension not working in 4.1?

[Tanstaafl]

On 2013-08-14 3:40 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker  wrote:

I sent his to the list this afternoon - for some reason it didn't seem
to get there, so I apologize if it's gone twice!


As always with gmail accounts, you will *never* see our own posts, 
because gmail considers the sent message as a duplicate, and discards 
the new one that would otherwise show in your inbox.


Gmail has *always* been like this, nothing new... complain to them if 
you don't like it.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Fixing Printing Paper Defaults

[Budgie]

On 14/08/13 01:32, Brian Barker wrote:

At 22:53 13/08/2013 +0100, Alastair Noname wrote:

I note I can modify the First Page style but what I think I need to do
is create a new "first page" style called say "Home Address Letter"
style.  I don't know how the style properties for the first page are
created but I presume I can modify the "First Page" style and save it
as "Home Address Letter"  Is that right?


o Open the Styles & Formatting window.
o Click on the Page Styles icon.
o Double-click on First Page. (This applies First Page page style to the
page containing the cursor.)
o Click on "New Style from Selection" and then "New Style from Selection".
o Give your new style a name. You now have a copy of the First Page page
style with your new name.
o Right-click on the new style in the list and select Modify... .
o Modify your new page style as required.


In fact I need two letter first pages, one for office and one for home
so further help would be appreciated.


It would be easier to create one first page style in each of two
separate templates, wouldn't it?  You'd never want two first pages in
one document.


The second question concerns fonts.  I am used to having the font
included within the style definition.  Is this possible with LO?


Yes, but fonts are hardly page properties - so they are not a property
of page styles.  Fonts are a property of paragraph styles (and of
character styles).  Your templates will have default paragraph styles
(perhaps Default or "Text body"?), and you can select a preferred font
in each of those - or, indeed, in multiple paragraph styles.

Brian Barker



Hi Brian,
Sorry to be so thick but all the above went well until I revisited the 
page styles having shut down LO and started again later.  Sadly the new 
style I had created following your steps above was not there!  I have 
looked for a "save" option but cannot find one.  How do I fix the newly 
created page style so it is available in the menu in future?

Regards,
Budge

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[libreoffice-users] how to save a file with security passward

[FARRUKH MUNIR]

Hello Sirs/Madam,I really appreciate your efforts to introduce the free libre 
office.It is a wonderful  and complete program .I have downloaded this 
masterpiece few days ago and some of its features are still to be recovered.I 
am feeling difficulty to130 in the tool bar but I could not find the way to put 
a password to my created document for security purpose.Will you please guide me 
as to how I can solve this problem?ONCE AGAIN I CONGRADULATE YOU ON GIVING SUCH 
A GOOD AND COMPLETE PROGRAMME. FARRUKH A 
MUNIR,farrukhamunir@hotmail.com14Th,August,2013

farrukhamunir 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org

[Andrew Douglas Pitonyak]

On 08/14/2013 12:39 PM, Dave Barton wrote:

Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:

On 08/13/2013 02:32 AM, Dave Barton wrote:

1. http://www.oooforum.org The independent "unofficial" one Jim was
referring to. For reasons nobody has been able to explain, their server
is at best unreliable and frequently times out.

oooforum was setup and is controlled by a single very busy person with
no help from anyone else in any way. So, it uses resources available to
this person and is maintained by this person. The other forum is
maintained by a group of volunteers so there are more people to fix it.

Yes Andrew, I am fully aware of the history behind oooforum.org and the
number of times in 10+ years the owner has refused outside help. You & I
both remember in the early days of OOo it was proposed to merge the two
forums and Ed would not even join in the discussion. He may well be a
very busy person and as you observe in another post "you could call it a
sentimental attachment", but over the years users have contributed a
vast amount of useful material, which is all too frequently locked away
from other users because of his personal workload and/or sentimentality.

My original reply was not intended as a criticism, it was just note to
indicate that one of the two longest established forums was not always
accessible.

I did not take it as a criticism I just assumed you were not aware.

I would prefer if an external host were found so that others could help 
with the administration. I expect that it is just a question of how to 
do it so that the current owner would not lose their personal attachment 
to it and thus be willing to do it. My guess is that he does not visit 
it often because he was not aware that it was down. He told me that /var 
had run out of space. When I just checked, I could connect, but could 
get nothing to display.


I am not aware of any way to scrape the content, perhaps someone more 
talented than I would know how to do that.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Book-writing with Writer

[Urmas]

"Joaquín Lameiro":

Please name me any 3rd-party reader which supports HTML5 and CSS3 
sufficiently enough to provide all the features one can expect from a book.
That so-called standard is too expensive for independent implementation and 
cannot guarantee acceptable results.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: how to save a file with security passward

[Pedro]

Hi


FARRUKH MUNIR wrote
> Hello Sirs/Madam,I really appreciate your efforts to introduce the free
> libre office.It is a wonderful  and complete program .I have downloaded
> this masterpiece few days ago and some of its features are still to be
> recovered.I am feeling difficulty to130 in the tool bar but I could not
> find the way to put a password to my created document for security
> purpose.Will you please guide me as to how I can solve this problem?ONCE
> AGAIN I CONGRADULATE YOU ON GIVING SUCH A GOOD AND COMPLETE PROGRAMME.
> FARRUKH A MUNIR,farrukhamunir@hotmail.com14Th,August,2013

When you Save the document for the first time you must check the "Save with
password" box under "Automatic file name extension". If you already created
the document then you need to choose Save As and then select the "Save with
password" option and overwrite the original file. From now on the document
is always saved with the password you selected unless you deliberately
uncheck the "Save with password"  option.

http://www.liberiangeek.net/2013/07/password-protect-your-documents-when-using-libreoffice/

Hope this helps.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: connecting to oooforum.org

[Mirosław Zalewski]

On 14/08/2013 at 23:48, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak  wrote:

> I am not aware of any way to scrape the content, perhaps someone more 
> talented than I would know how to do that.

Unfortunately, under some jurisdictions, creating backup copy of remote server 
might be considered an attack attempt and even penalized.

Anyone willing to take a risk might want to get himself familiar with httrack 
(http://www.httrack.com/).

Since legal status of all material posted there might be questionable, one 
should consider all options before making any copies publicly available.

Personally I think that entire copyright law is just obstacle here and public 
read-only copy of site in question would not hurt anyone. But then, I have 
better things to do than proving my point before court.
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[libreoffice-users] LO vs. another ...

[anne-ology]

   ...
https://www.thunderclap.it/projects/2580-help-change-the-mobile-world?locale=en


   I'm curious to know how they might compare, are you?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] how to save a file with security password

[Brian Barker]

At 20:24 14/08/2013 +, Farrukh Munir wrote:
... I could not find the way to put a password to my created 
document for security purpose. Will you please guide me as to how I 
can solve this problem?


As has already been explained, when you use File | Save As..., tick 
the "Save with password" box at the bottom of the Save As dialogue.


Note that it is possible to save with a password only if you are 
saving in LibreOffice's native Open Document Format formats, such as 
.odt. .ods, .odp, and so on.  This won't work if you are using, say, 
Microsoft Office file formats.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Fixing Printing Paper Defaults

[Brian Barker]

At 21:29 14/08/2013 +0100, Alastair Noname wrote:

Sorry to be so thick ...


For what it's worth, I don't recognise that.

... but all the above went well until I revisited the page styles 
having shut down LO and started again later.  Sadly the new style I 
had created following your steps above was not there!  I have looked 
for a "save" option but cannot find one.  How do I fix the newly 
created page style so it is available in the menu in future?


Styles are saved in documents.  If you saved the document you were 
working in when you created the styles, the styles will still exist 
in that document.  (If you didn't, they won't!)  If you want to use 
them in another document, you can import them using the Load 
Styles... facility in the Styles & Formatting window.


But in your case, you appeared to want these styles in documents in 
the form of letters, so the sensible way forward would be to create 
an otherwise empty document with any headings you wanted and your new 
styles.  Then save that document as a template (File | Save as 
Template).  When you want to create a new letter, instead of starting 
with a default blank document, start from your new template and then 
save the document so created as the new letter.


You'll probably want two new templates, one for each of your letter 
types and each containing just one set of new styles appropriate to 
that letter type.


Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer

[Virgil Arrington]

The strange thing was I didn’t extract the oxt from the zip. I simply renamed 
the zip to an oxt. There was no oxt file inside the zip.

Virgil


From: Tom Davies 
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 2:36 PM
To: Virgil Arrington ; users@global.libreoffice.org 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer

Hi :)
I think extracting the Oxt from the Zip file makes it work better but i haven't 
really dabbled with Extensions much at all so i really don't know either
Regards from 
Tom :)  






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  Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer


  I installed it through LO's extension manager.

  I also found that I had to change the name of the extension file from a 
  "zip" file to an "oxt" file. I just did that through Windows Explorer. Even 
  though LO's extension manager says it recognizes ZIP files, it installed 
  better with an OXT extension. I don't know why.

  Now that I think about it, maybe that was the key variable rather than 
  uninstalling AOO. Looks like I changed too many variables to be able to say 
  for certain *which* change made the whole thing work. And, I did it all so 
  quickly that I cannot now recall the order of all my changes.

  Virgil

  -Original Message- 
  From: jorge
  Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:43 PM
  To: Virgil Arrington
  Cc: Kracked_P_P---webmaster ; users@global.libreoffice.org
  Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer

  Hi all !

  Virgil, How did you try to install the "writer2epub" ? Did you use the
  wizzard that have LO or AOO ?

  Regards,

  Jorge Rodríguez


  El mar, 13-08-2013 a las 20:36 -0400, Virgil Arrington escribió:
  > I got mine from http://lukesblog.it/ebooks/ebook-tools/writer2epub/. 
  > There's
  > a version that words for LO 3, LO 4 and AOO 3, along with a separate 
  > version
  > for AOO 4.
  >
  > My problem wasn't that I had the wrong version. I got the version that was
  > designed for LO. It just wouldn't install as long as I had AOO on my 
  > system.
  > Once I uninstalled AOO, the extension worked fine with LO.
  >
  > Of course, I have no idea *why* this behavior occurred. I won't blame AOO 
  > or
  > anything else. I can't even scientifically say that LO and AOO had a
  > conflict. I just know that, once I uninstalled AOO, I was able to install
  > the writer2epub extension into my LO. I recalled someone else on the list
  > saying that LO and AOO may conflict by sharing common Windows registry
  > entries. That stuff is beyond my abilities, but I just shared it for 
  > others
  > who may be interested.
  >
  > Virgil
  >
  >
  >
  > -Original Message- 
  > From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster
  > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 7:41 PM
  > To: users@global.libreoffice.org
  > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer
  >
  >
  > There is a version for AOO, several actually written by a guy with an
  > Italian country code.
  >
  > One for version if for 3.x, another for 4.0, and a new Beta one.
  >
  > So you may need to look into which one you are using for which version
  > of LO or AOO.
  >
  > I found this out by Googling "odf to epub converter"
  >
  >
  > On 08/13/2013 04:15 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
  > > Another thing I noticed about the writer2epub extension. When I first
  > > downloaded it, it would not properly install into my LO 3.6.7. I then
  > > uninstalled my AOO 3.4.1 and AOO 4.0. The writer2epub extension then
  > > installed into LO.
  > >
  > > It appears (as others have alluded) that LO and AOO have some conflicts
  > > when installed side by side on the same machine (registry perhaps which 
  > > is
  > > beyond my knowledge). Since I'm finding that LO is progressing better 
  > > than
  > > AOO, I'm happy to commit to just one of the suites.
  > >
  > > Virgil
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > -Original Message- From: Virgil Arrington
  > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 2:58 PM
  > > To: Tom Davies
  > > Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
  > > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer
  > >
  > > I just redid the Writer2epub test with my theology paper after applying
  > > default LO styles. It worked a *lot* better. I really liked the way it
  > > handled the default "Text Body" style by not indenting the first 
  > > paragraph
  > > after a heading and then indenting subsequent paragraphs. That is
  > > excellent
  > > typography (a standard in LaTeX) and often missing in EPUB files. 
  > > However,
  > > it still ignored my attempt to apply outline numbering to the default
  > > Heading styles. But, it did recognize the heading styles for my table of
  > > contents and navigation keys on my Kindle.
  > >
  > > As you allude, this is a good tool as long as you understand what it 
  > > will,
  > > and will not, do. Work within its parameters

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments in .doc

[Steve Edmonds]

On 15/08/13 2:24 AM, James Knott wrote:

Tom Davies wrote:

Some could view it as a marketing ploy to push people into using their
format.  i can image the calls telling users they need to avoid 3rd
party formats as though 3rd party is somehow dodgy rather than just
meaning that MS can't manage to write code to support their own format
let alone other organisations.


One thing to bear in mind is the ODF formats were derived from the
original StarOffice formats and spreadsheets in that format worked fine
in StarOffice, and later OpenOffice, for years.


In fact until LO 4+ when they were dropped.
steve

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments in .doc

[James Knott]

Steve Edmonds wrote:
>> One thing to bear in mind is the ODF formats were derived from the
>> original StarOffice formats and spreadsheets in that format worked fine
>> in StarOffice, and later OpenOffice, for years.
>>
> In fact until LO 4+ when they were dropped.

Can they still be read?  IIRC, OO 1.3 was the last version that couldn't
write ODF, but it could read them.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't find setting

[Brian Barker]

At 21:23 14/08/2013 -0500, Michael Morse wrote:
For some reason, I am no longer able to make a series of spaces 
using the space bar.  After one space, pressing the space bar will 
not advance the cursor.


Rejoice!  This is how all word processors should work.  Countable 
spaces exist only in Typewriterland.  With proper type faces, the 
space between words is anything from a minimum value up to whatever 
is required to range across a line.  The spacebar no longer 
represents an actual amount of space but merely indicates a word 
break in the text.  If you need to space material differently, you do 
it properly - using tabs, tables, frames, or whatever.


I don't remember changing anything so I have no idea where to even 
begin to look for whatever setting I assume I must have changed to 
cause this behavior.  Can someone help me how please?


Yes: forget about multiple spaces and set up proper spacing using the 
correct facilities of your word processor, whichever that is.


(Oh, but if you really want to fossilize in Typewriterland in the 
previous millennium, go to Tools | AutoCorrect Options... | Options 
and remove the tick from "Ignore double spaces".  And hang your head in shame.)


;^)

I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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"Say No to OOOXML", was: [libreoffice-users] Weblog extension not working...

[M. Fioretti]

On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 20:40:52 PM +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

> Registered Linux User no 240308
> GBP's alternative computing: http://gbplinuxfoss.blogspot.com/ 
> Say No to OOXML http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9594#mpart8

Hi Gordon, and list.

First of all, I'm obviously happy that you liked my "Say No to OOXML"
enough to put it in your signature. I'm writing to let you and
everybody else interested know that, thanks to the signature, I
realized that the link isn't correct anymore. It was originally,
because it is the same I refer to in my home page. Now, instead is:

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9594#mpart7

(maybe Linux Journal changed something in their formatting later on,
thus updating the link...)

Kind regards,
Marco Fioretti
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer

[Brian Barker]

At 21:02 14/08/2013 -0400, Virgil Arrington wrote:
The strange thing was I didn't extract the oxt from the zip. I 
simply renamed the zip to an oxt. There was no oxt file inside the zip.


You didn't need to.  An .oxt file, like other ODF formats, is itself 
a zip archive.  What has happened is that the process of downloading 
the file has incorrectly modified its .odt extension to .zip - which 
is not unusual, in fact.  (Don't ask me why or in what circumstances 
this occurs, but it does: it appears to be a quirk of Internet 
Explorer.)  In such cases, you need merely to rename the file back to 
have its correct original extension - as you did.


Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] how to save a file with security password

[Andrew Douglas Pitonyak]

On 08/14/2013 08:12 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 20:24 14/08/2013 +, Farrukh Munir wrote:
... I could not find the way to put a password to my created document 
for security purpose. Will you please guide me as to how I can solve 
this problem?


As has already been explained, when you use File | Save As..., tick 
the "Save with password" box at the bottom of the Save As dialogue.


Note that it is possible to save with a password only if you are 
saving in LibreOffice's native Open Document Format formats, such as 
.odt. .ods, .odp, and so on.  This won't work if you are using, say, 
Microsoft Office file formats.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


I thought that passwords were broken in the current release I was 
unable to open my existing password protected documents with the latest 
release. Removed it and installed a previous version. So, if you cannot 
make it work, try a previous version.


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My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt
Info:  http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php


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Re: [libreoffice-users] how to save a file with security password

[Brian Barker]

At 00:58 15/08/2013 -0400, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:
I thought that passwords were broken in the current release I 
was unable to open my existing password protected documents with the 
latest release. Removed it and installed a previous version. So, if 
you cannot make it work, try a previous version.


Aaargh!  Apologies if I missed that.

Brian Barker


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[libreoffice-users] Personalization of Themes

[Daniel]

I have installed LO 4.1.1.1.1. I tried to put a FF addon and it did not
crash. Problem solved. Thanks.

Daniel

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