Re: gnome/XFCE desktop wallpaper problem - it won't stay!
On 06/12/2011 08:53 AM, BeartoothHOS wrote: Did you start wallpapoz and not turn it off? It'll do that. I beg to differ. I use wallpapoz on both my desktop and my laptop and haven't had the slightest difficulty because of it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
On 06/12/2011 05:07 PM, James McKenzie wrote: he decision has been made, for us by others, that the desktop will move into the 21st Century. I would rather say that certain people have decided what the desktop of the 21st Century will be and have also decided that the rest of us will have no choice but to go along with them. Who knows; they may be right, but if so, I'll stick with the desktop of the Second Millennium, TYVM, and if that means no longer using Gnome, then that's what I'll do. However, I do hope that all of you who continue with Gnome are happy with it because, as has been pointed out many times, Linux is all about choice, and there's room for many different ways of doing things. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
On 06/12/2011 07:54 PM, James McKenzie wrote: People are tired of using poor quality software written to a broken OS. Say rather that most people are so used to badly written software and a broken OS that they don't realize how bad things are; they think it's normal. Right now, I'm house sitting for Jerry Pournelle (http://www.jerrypournelle.com) the BYTE columnist and SF author. For years he's been calling both Unix and Linux an employment program for gurus. Mind you, he does stuff on his Windows boxes that most power users couldn't understand, but that's different; he understands DOS commands. I'm still trying, off and on, to get him to take another look at Linux. Not Fedora, Ubuntu, because if he's going to try Linux, he's going to need a distro that's as easy to use as possible because he has neither the time nor the inclination for the learning curve that Fedora would require. Still, if I can get him to see how good it is, we'll have a vocal and highly-visible advocate on our side. (Please note that he's not too much of a Windows fanatic. I think he has at least one Linux server here, and I know he's experimented with recent Macs and had good things to say about them.) So getting a Good Word about Linux from his is worth getting because there are a lot of people out there who heed his word. The point is, you have to match the distro to the user, not the other way around. If the OP isn't happy with Fedora, I hope he finds a distro he likes better. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OT: allow ordinary user to read /var/log/audit/audit.log
On 12 June 2011 17:30, Andre Speelmans fedora-l...@cosiso.nl wrote: Surely I can. I just thought there should be the other way. Say, thru sudo. Well, it seems that changing file attributes is the only way here. Add this to the Cmnd_alias: less /var/log/audit/audit.log When I'm trying to save /etc/sudoers with the folloeing line: Cmnd_Alias HOSPES = /sbin/service, /sbin/chkconfig, /usr/sbin/setsebool, /sbin/restorecon, /usr/sbin/semanage, /usr/sbin/setenforce, less /var/log/audit/audit.log it falls with error: /etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 34 What's wrong with it? -- Kind regards, André -- Hiisi -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Marcus D. Leech mle...@ripnet.com wrote: Yup, man pages aren't very friendly for newbs. But they aren't really intended for that audience. They're intended as handy reference documents, rather than tutorials. Some of them are better written than others. Unfortunately, not all software developers are also skilled technical writers. Sad fact. In a well-funded corporate effort, there'd be tech writers working alongside the developers. The fact is that more competent software developers are drawn to the open-source world than tech writers. A lot of information on how to do things in linux actually comes from lists exactly like this one! There is a need for some simple startup tips for the new user, and to a large extent a new user will likely have had his/her system installed by someone else who knows how to do the install, rather than converting from Windows themselves (though it does happen of course) - and remember that the vast majority of Windows users never did or ever will do an install themselves - they buy a laptop or desktop, and hit the power button - and it all comes to life. If a Linux geek installs a system, be it F14, F15, or any other, on behalf of an existing Windows user, and then gives the new Fedora system to the user they will largely be able to work with it with only a little help initially - they may need help with configuring a mail client, but that would be the same for Windows users too. Many people would be happy with a web browser, a music player, and a picture viewer, plus printer - after that many programs for a typical user get much less use time. I think that in that instance an average Windows user confronted with a new linux system, and shown how to login would be off and running quite quickly - the problem arises when something does not work - and in the case of Windows that is also where the user gets very stuck and often then either calls in an expert, or tries to fix it him/her-self - often producing a broken system that needs an expert calling in also! Much the same for inexperienced linux users too! I have installed linux for friends and relatives, and remain the expert helping hand for when things go wrong. For a Windows system there is always the fallback to take the machine down to the local PCworld or similar where technicians will try to fix the machine or re-install the system - that commercial route is not usually available to linux noobs. However there are wiki pages for linux, as well as the Fedora lists and similar and are a superb and valuable resource, and also some very excellent help written on dedicated web pages (such as the kde web pages) - and although we often grumble when something is broken in linux, and specifically Fedora, we are actually in a very fortunate position that we have bugzilla to which not only other users respond, but also developers - it may take time but usually there is a solution in the end - and we always have to remember that we are riding the cutting edge! Quite often linux experts provide wonderful levels of direct help and advice on Fedora lists and similar. Show me rapid responses to Windows bugs? Where and how do Windows problems get fixed with an interactive dialogue with the reporter? It doesn't! So despite the Fedora issues with systemd, and gnome3, currently - these are being worked on - and although it may take a release cycle to fix some of the issues we are actually still the best in the business, so let's not forget our real position. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:11 AM, Antonio Olivares olivares14...@yahoo.com wrote: Why? There are many people out there that play games, and for gaming no OS out there, no Crossover, wine, ..., Virtual machines out there beat windows. Most of the games are for windows and till linux creates games that are on par with the ones that are played in windows. It is perfectly possible to run Fedora, with a Windows VM, and then play the games in the VM! That way you get the security of linux with the wonderful fallback if the Windows VM get messed up - just pull the VM back from that backup file that you of course always keep up to date - and you are done - none of that install, reboot, update, reboot, update, reboot, install new game package, reboot, update, reboot, reboot, reboot - oh dear have I overused the reboot word by one! Despite the problems Fedora still rocks! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OT: allow ordinary user to read /var/log/audit/audit.log
On 06/13/2011 03:02 PM, Hiisi wrote: On 12 June 2011 17:30, Andre Speelmans fedora-l...@cosiso.nl wrote: Surely I can. I just thought there should be the other way. Say, thru sudo. Well, it seems that changing file attributes is the only way here. Add this to the Cmnd_alias: less /var/log/audit/audit.log When I'm trying to save /etc/sudoers with the folloeing line: Cmnd_Alias HOSPES = /sbin/service, /sbin/chkconfig, /usr/sbin/setsebool, /sbin/restorecon, /usr/sbin/semanage, /usr/sbin/setenforce, less /var/log/audit/audit.log it falls with error: /etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 34 What's wrong with it? Full path to less?/usr/bin/less -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:55:02 +0800, KP wrote: I don't know if it is yum, the package group definitions or the package dependencies that are wrong - but no matter who is to blame - the result is definitely not intuitive (or imho correct)... You read the dependencies backwards. Below are a few examples: # yum -C groupremove Dial-up Networking Support Is removing ppp - and NetworkManager for dependencies: -- Removing: pppi686 2.4.5-12.fc14 @updates 752 k Removing for dependencies: NetworkManager i686 1:0.8.4-1.fc14 @updates 5.5 M NetworkManager-gnome i686 1:0.8.4-1.fc14 @updates 1.5 M NetworkManager-openvpn i686 1:0.8.1-1.fc14 @anaconda-InstallationRepo-201010211 NetworkManager-vpnci686 1:0.8.1-1.fc14 @anaconda-InstallationRepo-201010211 -- NetworkManager is part of (installed) System Tools group - not dial-up modem so why does it even consider to remove it? Notice the Removing and Removing for dependencies headers. If you remove ppp, you cannot keep any packages that depend on ppp. Your option in such a scenario is to remove leaf packages only, or to erase individual packages (with either Yum or RPM). $ repoquery --whatrequires ppp ppp-0:2.4.5-17.fc15.x86_64 NetworkManager-1:0.8.999-2.git20110509.fc15.x86_64 NetworkManager-1:0.8.9997-2.git20110531.fc15.x86_64 NetworkManager-pptp-1:0.8.999-1.fc15.x86_64 bluemodem-0:0.7-6.fc15.x86_64 kdenetwork-7:4.6.2-2.fc15.x86_64 kdenetwork-7:4.6.3-1.fc15.x86_64 ppp-0:2.4.5-17.fc15.x86_64 pptp-0:1.7.2-12.fc15.x86_64 rp-pppoe-0:3.10-8.fc15.x86_64 synce-serial-0:0.11-5.fc15.x86_64 wvdial-0:1.61-4.fc15.x86_64 xfce4-modemlights-plugin-0:0.1.3.99-7.fc15.x86_64 xl2tpd-0:1.2.7-3.fc15.x86_64 For your other non-detailed examples, one would need to look at the details (= the dependencies) to understand why something would be removed. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
The point is, you have to match the distro to the user, not the other way around. If the OP isn't happy with Fedora, I hope he finds a distro he likes better. The primary end user Linux UI is Android. In that sense the argument is over for the moment. Alan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: You read the dependencies backwards. [...] If you remove ppp, you cannot keep any packages that depend on ppp. Remember that what I wanted was to remove Dial-up Networking Support - it is not expected that this operation should remove all Networking! Just as when I tried to remove Electronic Lab - it is not expected that this operation should remove eclipse, fonts and screensavers, right? I am pretty sure I had fonts and screensavers before I installed drawtiming and openocd. Do you see what I mean? Your option in such a scenario is to remove leaf packages only, or to erase individual packages (with either Yum or RPM). Good point - I can remove NetworkManager and eclipse myself !! :-P My point is that groupremove doesn't do the right thing. If I installed eclipse using Fedora Eclipse then I don't want it automatically removed when I uninstall something unrelated because of complicated indirect dependencies. The same way I don't want to uninstall NetworkManager from the group System Tools, when I try to remove the group Dial-up Networking Support. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Printer still not working with LibreOffice, etc.
Fedora 15 is still flushing my printer. -- Lawrence E Graves lgra...@risingstarmbc.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OT: allow ordinary user to read /var/log/audit/audit.log
On 13 June 2011 11:52, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: --SNIP-- Cmnd_Alias HOSPES = /sbin/service, /sbin/chkconfig, /usr/sbin/setsebool, /sbin/restorecon, /usr/sbin/semanage, /usr/sbin/setenforce, less /var/log/audit/audit.log it falls with error: /etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 34 What's wrong with it? Full path to less? /usr/bin/less Yeah, now it works! Spasibo, Eduard. -- Hiisi -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
software time lock and web access control
Hi Is there any easy to use and setup program to control web access for a user? also to set time of day allowed usage of certain programs? This for a home computer using Fedora 14. I know maybe a combintion of IPTABLES and probably SQUID should do the trick, but 1. I want something easy to use and modify, not something that would force me to open the gusts of the system up. 2. Likewise, I am not sure if I can block stuff on a user basis with IPTABLES and SQUID. As Far as I have read, whatever configuration I set up with them, will work the same for ALL Users. So far I just started studying this issue an I am just beginning my research, I just want to be pointed at on the right direction. In the end I know once kids learn enough they will be able to bypass all these walls, but I will deal with it when I reach that level... -- -- /\_/\ |O O| pepeb...@gmail.com Javier Perez While the night runs toward the day... m m Pepebuho watches from his high perch. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: outdated Tor version in Fedora (missing security fixes)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/10/2011 11:38 PM, Fennix wrote: On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Christoph A. cas...@gmail.com mailto:cas...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 06/10/2011 06:28 PM, Fennix wrote: As to the SELinux policy questions...I am not sure. I have always compiled and the TOR package has always worked without any SELinux complaints so for this question I have never looked into this. the output of the following command would provide the answer to the tor_t question: ps auxZ|grep /tor (executed on the host running the self compiled Tor) The result I get is as follows: unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 root 14189 0.0 0.0 4432 760 pts/1 S+ 11:36 0:00 grep --color=auto /torH /fennix Has the tor executable location changed or is the label missing. # restorecon -v PATHTO-TOR Should change the label to tor_exec_t for either /usr/bin/tor /usr/sbin/tor If you are using a different path, you can change the label using # chcon -t tor_exec_t PATHTO-TOR Or make the change permanently with # semanage fcontext -a -t tor_exec_t PATHTO-TOR -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk32AosACgkQrlYvE4MpobM88wCfUSk5K4UPwKtM0LQ7bDn0rtET uSUAnRtgoWssqqTf+eTfyP/rHr/DVY85 =jxRo -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 08:42:57AM +0100, mike cloaked wrote: A lot of information on how to do things in linux actually comes from lists exactly like this one! Well, yes. As does a lot of help for Windows, and Mac... But the newbies won't see them. And they won't do the Tour in XP, or Vista, or 7--I've been a consultant for over 30 years, and nobody I've helped or worked with has *ever* done the Tour that they've admitted to me. They ask me, or others. They look for books; just looking on Amazon in books with the keyword Windows gives top choices (just picking the starter books): Windows 7 For Dummies Microsoft Operating Systems Windows 7: The Missing Manual Windows 7 Inside Out Windows 7 Step by Step Windows 7 For Seniors for Dummies And it goes on...and on...for pages. 54,050 results (although we all know what counts such as that mean, it's apples to apples for similar searches.) Now, look for Linux--again, only picking the starter books: Linux in a Nutshell Beginning Ubuntu Linux Linux for Dummies Practical Guide to Ubuntu Linux Linux All-in-One For Dummies Practical Unix/Linux (For the Rest of Us) But there are 7,391 results. Differences? Well, clearly, far fewer hits than for Windows. But qualitatively: o The first couple of pages of the Linux search show far, far more guru/kernel/CLI/development hits, fewer general-user beginner hits (I had to go more pages in to get the same count of six beginner books.) o The distro that shows up most often is Ubuntu. They're doing something right--that's getting the attention of the authors. So if they're inclined to learn about a system, most often I've been asked Is there a book?, not Should I take the Tour? (well, the latter, never.) But the other problem is simple familiarity--by now, Windows 7, almost all users have gone through at least one Windows OS (XP--I'm not counting Vista); many have worked on two or more. There *is* a continuity in behavior, operation, and expectation; even Windows 7 shows its roots going back to Windows 95 in the UI. And users crave that comfortable familiarity; when trying something new, abnormal behavior will strike hardest, and frustration with what should be simple tasks will cost much more. An excellent example--just this weekend, a friend who's technologically savvy in her field (oceanographic research) and very well-inclined to Linux decided to try to install a dual-boot Ubuntu/Windows XP system. We all know that graphics support has been the bugaboo (right ahead of wireless); recent Ubuntu distros (and probably others) have gotten pretty darn good at detecting and properly setting up adapters. Unfortunately, hers wasn't one of them--so there was an immediate Arrgh! from her. Worse, Grub didn't properly see her USB keyboard, so now she's not able to go back to her XP installation. Sure, the Grub thing is (probably) a BIOS configuration problem--legacy USB probably needs to be turned on--but the tolerance for such problems is low in a new installation, especially with the fear of losing the current working OS installation. And yes, xrandr helped--once she reached out--and, well, let her tell it: I finally found the xwindows manager - that did recognize the Sony monitor and allowed me to change the resolution so that I can see the entire desktop. The boot problem remains. And I have a new problem... after watching me go through this, the other member of the household is not keen on this OS experiment, so I may just use that new disk I have for an XP reinstall. We noticed Ubuntu is not much faster booting or running at all than the old installation of XP it does shut down faster. So here's a well-disposed, intelligent but non-CS user who's actually worked through the first major problem, and has a probable solution for the second--but even so, is thinking of giving up because of those issues--partly because of pressure from others in the house, partly because she hasn't been able to get to the point of investigating the system because of starter's unfamiliarity and initial problems that colored the experience. We need to get more beginner docco out there--and get it to people. Maybe downloading a Linux distro results in an E-Mail to the user with a link to How Linux is Different from Windows--which is a video, and a text document, and maybe a downloadable E-Book--that describes what they're going to see, and how to do the same things in Linux they commonly have to do in Windows, and how to solve common installation problems--and avoids fanboi/religious rants while doing so. (No, this doesn't exist, AFAIK). Cheers, -- Dave Ihnat dih...@dminet.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 07:36:20 -0500 Dave Ihnat wrote: And users crave that comfortable familiarity; when trying something new, abnormal behavior will strike hardest, and frustration with what should be simple tasks will cost much more. This problem extends even to phones :-). It was several weeks before I discovered long press on my first (android) smart phone. Apparently everyone just knows that long press is the equivalent on a touch screen of right click with a mouse. There was a tutorial app on the phone, but the only thing it talked about was the onscreen keyboard. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:48:12 +0800, KP wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: You read the dependencies backwards. [...] If you remove ppp, you cannot keep any packages that depend on ppp. Remember that what I wanted was to remove Dial-up Networking Support - it is not expected that this operation should remove all Networking! Then what is it supposed to do instead? yum groupinfo 'Dial-up Networking Support' tells that ppp is a Mandatory Package in that group. If you wanted to remove ppp, you would need to remove everything that requires ppp. Do you understand that? If so, you can tell Yum to exit its confirmation check by answering no. Just as when I tried to remove Electronic Lab - it is not expected that this operation should remove eclipse, fonts and screensavers, right? Not right. At least the font packages you've mentioned are part of that group: $ yum groupinfo 'Electronic Lab'|grep font xorg-x11-fonts-100dpi xorg-x11-fonts-ISO8859-1-100dpi xorg-x11-fonts-ISO8859-9-100dpi xorg-x11-fonts-Type1 Same for several eclipse packages, which probably are required by eclipse and hence can only be removed if eclipse gets removed as well: $ yum groupinfo 'Electronic Lab'|grep ecli eclipse-cdt eclipse-dltk-tcl eclipse-eclox eclipse-epic eclipse-subclipse eclipse-texlipse eclipse-veditor I am pretty sure I had fonts and screensavers before I installed drawtiming and openocd. Do you see what I mean? Not yet. Have you read the man yum section about groupremove and remove yet? Both commands are not the exact opposite of groupinstall and install due to dependencies on additional packages. A groupinstall can add required packages not listed in the group. Same for a normal install. yum install foo may pull in packages that would not be removed by yum remove foo. A groupremove tries to remove all packages listed in the group plus anything that depends on them, which can be packages listed also in other groups. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?
On 06/13/2011 07:03 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote Both commands are not the exact opposite of groupinstall and install due to dependencies on additional packages. A groupinstall can add required packages not listed in the group. Same for a normal install. yum install foo may pull in packages that would not be removed by yum remove foo. A groupremove tries to remove all packages listed in the group plus anything that depends on them, which can be packages listed also in other groups. Also, if someone installed a group and wants to revert, I recommend using yum history undo instead of group remove Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Tweetdeck like Twitter client for your Fedora 14 desktop
http://fusionlinux.org/2011/06/13/tweetdeck-like-twitter-client-for-your-fedora-14-desktop/ Twitter is badly broken on Fedora 14 because all currently available twitter clients (like pino, qwit and mitter) don’t work with oauth bazed twitter authorization. Don’t fret, Turpial comes to the rescue. Turpial is twitter client like Tweetdeck for Linux. Turpial is written in Python and aims to be an application with low consumption of resources and integrates into user’s desktop without sacrificing any functionality. Turpial is awailable via fedora-updates-testing repo so to install it follow these steps: 1. open terminal window 2. become root: su - 3. install turpial: yum install turpial --enablerepo=updates-testing It is needles to say that Fusion Linux in next release will have Turpial enabled by default. Check out some other cool articles on our Fusion Linux Blog and don’t miss Fusion Linux Forums. -- follow me - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com linux, anime, spirituality, wireless, scuba, linuxmce smart home, zwave ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic, MSN: valent.turko...@hotmail.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Tweetdeck like Twitter client for your Fedora 14 desktop
On 06/13/2011 08:47 AM, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: http://fusionlinux.org/2011/06/13/tweetdeck-like-twitter-client-for-your-fedora-14-desktop/ Twitter is badly broken on Fedora 14 because all currently available twitter clients (like pino, qwit and mitter) don�t work with oauth bazed twitter authorization. Don�t fret, Turpial comes to the rescue. Turpial is twitter client like Tweetdeck for Linux. Turpial is written in Python and aims to be an application with low consumption of resources and integrates into user�s desktop without sacrificing any functionality. Turpial is awailable via fedora-updates-testing repo so to install it follow these steps: 1. open terminal window 2. become root: su - 3. install turpial: yum install turpial --enablerepo=updates-testing It is needles to say that Fusion Linux in next release will have Turpial enabled by default. Check out some other cool articles on our Fusion Linux Blog and don�t miss Fusion Linux Forums. Very nice. One request: Enable login for bit.ly so I can track my short URLs as I do through the bit.ly toolbar. -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: git patch comments
Todd Zullinger wrote: For git commits, you should use the format: $subject $body That's how the git patches are created. If it is supposed to work then it is a bug because it is not working that way. I'll get this posted to the git list/bugzilla when I can. Thanks. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Phil Savoie psavoie1...@rogers.com wrote: On 12/06/2011 11:12 PM, David wrote: I see. Now I understand you completely. Since Linux is user supported. I am sure that the developers would welcome any tutorials that you would write and provide. That is the way the Linux works. As for the folks in Redmond? I doubt that they will loose a minute of sleep over your efforts unless you really, really put forth major efforts in this respect. Have a good day. James, No point in arguing with this guy. I'm not going to argue with him. I'm pointing out why Linux is not the rage on the desktop. I know that RH folks lurk here and I will respond to their messages in a civil and clear tone. Remember, some folks need training wheels on their bikes. Some just crash until they get it right (I was the latter.) Some have their parents hold their hands/seat. Computer users are cut from the same silk and thus I am one of those that charges ahead and if the system crashes, I rebuild and start over... James -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
sudoku-savant
Hi sudoku-savant is far too small 9x9 on 1600x1200 screen it needs ability to resize the gui please Gnome3 F15 -- Andrew Gray andr...@linnetsol.co.uk linnet Solutions ltd -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: Remember that what I wanted was to remove Dial-up Networking Support - it is not expected that this operation should remove all Networking! Then what is it supposed to do instead? yum groupinfo 'Dial-up Networking Support' tells that ppp is a Mandatory Package in that group. If you wanted to remove ppp, you would need to remove everything that requires ppp. Do you understand that? I agree that if I explicitly ask to remove ppp then yum is supposed to remove dependencies. What I don't understand is how naive the group commands are working. If ppp is a member of two groups then it shouldn't be removed until both groups are removed, no? And for the other example : Not right. At least the font packages you've mentioned are part of that group: $ yum groupinfo 'Electronic Lab'|grep font xorg-x11-fonts-100dpi xorg-x11-fonts-ISO8859-1-100dpi xorg-x11-fonts-ISO8859-9-100dpi xorg-x11-fonts-Type1 Please don't tell me that having fonts as default packages in the Electronic Lab makes sense - if a package in the Electronic Lab group need fonts then that dependency should be handled in the *package* dependency and not as group members. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: sudoku-savant
Around 03:13pm on Monday, June 13, 2011 (UK time), Andrew Gray scrawled: Hi sudoku-savant is far too small 9x9 on 1600x1200 screen it needs ability to resize the gui please Use bugzilla to request feature changes - the developers are unlikely to see your email on this list. Steve -- Website: www.stevesearle.com Twitter: @ReddishShift Facebook: www.facebook.com/steve.searle 15:47:31 up 10 days, 6:14, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.06, 0.01 pgpB86Or3IlKV.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Genesi Efika MX netbook - opinions? (Maybe OT)
HI Guys, I have seen this little machine, and I would like to know from the owners who are using it daily? What is the general opinion about it? Is it capable to run at least Fedora F12-F13? Or webOS? Thanks, Zoltan -- PGP: 06853DF7 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Genesi Efika MX netbook - opinions? (Maybe OT)
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 09:36:56 +0200 Zoltan Hoppar hopp...@gmail.com wrote: HI Guys, I have seen this little machine, and I would like to know from the owners who are using it daily? What is the general opinion about it? Is it capable to run at least Fedora F12-F13? Or webOS? I thought all the Genesi devices were ARM based if so you'll need an ARM distro with support for that specific board. Alan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: gnome/XFCE desktop wallpaper problem - it won't stay!
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 23:23:35 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: On 06/12/2011 08:53 AM, BeartoothHOS wrote: Did you start wallpapoz and not turn it off? It'll do that. I beg to differ. I use wallpapoz on both my desktop and my laptop and haven't had the slightest difficulty because of it. Do you have it set to show different backgrounds of different workspaces? -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: git patch comments
Michael Cronenworth wrote: That's how the git patches are created. If it is supposed to work then it is a bug because it is not working that way. I'll get this posted to the git list/bugzilla when I can. Thanks. There isn't any git bugzilla, so just mailing the git list is the way to go. However, I'm still curious to see a git formatted patch that is affected here. I use git am regularly and have never seen this. I just tested it by creating a commit message containing the following text: This is a test Changes made: - foo - bar - baz I then use git format-patch -1, switched to a new branch and use git am to apply this patch. The formatting was correct. -- ToddOpenPGP - KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~ I do not believe in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance. -- Thomas Carlyle pgp1dDZVmTNAs.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: git patch comments
Todd Zullinger wrote: However, I'm still curious to see a git formatted patch that is affected here. I use git am regularly and have never seen this. I would post one, but they are proprietary. I double checked the patches and indeed they are formatted as: line 1 line 2 line 3 Testing the following formatting of: line 1 line 2 line 3 results in the expected formatting. Slightly annoying behavior but easily worked around. Thanks. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Genesi Efika MX netbook - opinions? (Maybe OT)
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:36 AM, Zoltan Hoppar hopp...@gmail.com wrote: HI Guys, I have seen this little machine, and I would like to know from the owners who are using it daily? What is the general opinion about it? Is it capable to run at least Fedora F12-F13? Or webOS? Thanks, Zoltan -- PGP: 06853DF7 you should ask in fedora-arm mailing list. yes, it works well with fedora-13, the people of panama loved my presentation about fedora-arm in fudcon-panama I think the people in fudcon-millan will talk about fedora-arm too. I am using kernel + f13 image from Dennis Gilmore http://ausil.us/smartbook/ I have both smartbook and smarttop and works very well. Itamar Reis Peixoto msn, google talk: ita...@ispbrasil.com.br +55 11 4063 5033 (FIXO SP) +55 34 9158 9329 (TIM) +55 34 8806 3989 (OI) +55 34 3221 8599 (FIXO MG) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: git patch comments
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:32:59 -0500, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: I double checked the patches and indeed they are formatted as: line 1 line 2 line 3 Testing the following formatting of: line 1 line 2 line 3 results in the expected formatting. Slightly annoying behavior but easily worked around. Thanks. The lines before the first blank line are the subject. You need to have that blank line if you add other comments. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:40:09 +0800, KP wrote: I agree that if I explicitly ask to remove ppp then yum is supposed to remove dependencies. What I don't understand is how naive the group commands are working. Well, if you want to go down that road, discussing this could reach a sudden end. ;) Suggesting a different implemention is better taken to Yum upstream's mailing-list. Basically, groups are just lists of packages, with additional attributes for the packages (such as mandatory, default, optional) to subdivide them helpfully. A groupinstall is used to install a list of packages, a groupremove is used to remove the same list of packages. If ppp is a member of two groups then it shouldn't be removed until both groups are removed, no? IMO, that's a matter of definition. If you find ppp on your system, and assuming [1] it is part of two groups, how to tell whether it was installed due to installing group G1 or G2? And if ppp were not required by anything else, why would it be wrong to remove it as part of G1 without specifying G2? I mean, you asked to remove the packages from group G1, why imply that you want to keep some of them due to another group they're in? Btw, you would see the same dependencies when running plain yum remove ppp or rpm --erase ppp. [1] ppp isn't part of two groups, is it? And for the other example : Not right. At least the font packages you've mentioned are part of that group: $ yum groupinfo 'Electronic Lab'|grep font xorg-x11-fonts-100dpi xorg-x11-fonts-ISO8859-1-100dpi xorg-x11-fonts-ISO8859-9-100dpi xorg-x11-fonts-Type1 Please don't tell me that having fonts as default packages in the Electronic Lab makes sense - if a package in the Electronic Lab group need fonts then that dependency should be handled in the *package* dependency and not as group members. You could raise that question on the Electronic Lab's list: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/electronic-lab It could be that they consider these font packages worthwhile for their spin, but without making any or all of the apps depend on all these font packages. Along the same line, I could use Emacs with the fonts as installed by the default Fedora Desktop spin, but I add xorg-x11-fonts-misc nevertheless for the config files I use. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Burning Video DVD Howto
Fedora 15/Kde4 . I have tried to burn burn a one hour videos using K3B File New Project New Video Dvd Project , It creates a VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS , but if I select a AVI or mp4 video to the Project, I get the following Error; Could not determine size of resulting image file. Is there a howto for k3b that explains this more in depth ? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?
On 06/13/2011 06:33 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:48:12 +0800, KP wrote: Remember that what I wanted was to remove Dial-up Networking Support - it is not expected that this operation should remove all Networking! Then what is it supposed to do instead? If you can install Networking without installing Dial-up Networking Support, you should be able to remove the latter without otherwise affecting the former. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: gnome/XFCE desktop wallpaper problem - it won't stay!
On 06/13/2011 08:10 AM, BeartoothHOS wrote: Do you have it set to show different backgrounds of different workspaces? I was going to originally, but ended up with having all of them change backgrounds together but randomly. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: software time lock and web access control
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 07:21:46 -0500, Javier Perez pepeb...@gmail.com wrote: I know maybe a combintion of IPTABLES and probably SQUID should do the trick, but You can probably just use iptables and a cron job. iptables has a way to check packets associated with particular users. So you should be able to block common ports used for web traffic or all traffic not destined for the local network for particular users. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
On Sun, 2011-06-12 at 20:04 -0700, James McKenzie wrote: el... I would love to see the folks in Redmond squirm. Windows has so many problems that it should be banned from anywhere where reliability is key. Go to your local hospital and see what they are running. It scares me that they are running WindowsXP/Vista/Seven on the front end and WindowsServer on the back. I would, from a security viewpoint, love to see this replaced with Linux and running a secure UI program. This is easier on Linux than Windows... James McKenzie Not only do I agree with this, but I recently purchased a new laptop for work. It came with Windows 7 Home Premium. I then began bringing up the utilities for my work. The first one took two days to get working. The second took 3 weeks, and I ended up having to go to the top version of windows 7, an additional 100+US$. I haven't upgraded to F15 yet, but the other tools I use on a daily basis are all installed and working, and the reload time to get everything going on F14 was 8 hours, not counting the download time. If you add the download time and the upgrade time over DSL, it took a total of 23.5 hours. I routinely use over 30 applications on Linux, and only 6 on windows. So guess which I prefer. My Linux systems are still the best in my work, in my hobbies, and only fall short in gaming, but mostly I haven't looked up any Linux gaming sites, because I only really like one game, Age of Empires III, which I play on Windows by dual booting my computer. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: git patch comments
Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:32:59 -0500, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: I double checked the patches and indeed they are formatted as: line 1 line 2 line 3 Testing the following formatting of: line 1 line 2 line 3 results in the expected formatting. Slightly annoying behavior but easily worked around. Thanks. The lines before the first blank line are the subject. You need to have that blank line if you add other comments. Indeed. And if line1, line2 and line3 represent different changes, they properly belong in seperate commits. Since git lets you commit locally and it's incredibly fast, the old habits of pushing multiple disparate changes in one commit is a habit that should go away. Git even makes it pretty easy to make a small series of changes to various files, then add them as individual commits using 'git add -p' and 'git rebase', among other methods. -- ToddOpenPGP - KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~ There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root. -- Henry David Thoreau pgpmZMRBtvkLF.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Installing Tweetdeck - unsolvable?
For the next person who might run into this I've installed Adobe Air (yes, but let's not go there) from the adobe linux repo and now I'm trying to get it to install Tweetdeck. The installation falls apart: Here's a snippet from the install log: Adobe AIR Application Installer:19463][INFO] Converting unpackaged application to a native installation package in /tmp/FlashTmp.mRNCss [Adobe AIR Application Installer:19463][ERR] Native installation package creation failed: [ErrorEvent type=error bubbles=false cancelable=false eventPhase=2 text=Unhandled exception Error: Error creating the package /opt/Adobe AIR/Versions/1.0/Resources/rpmbuilder error : Could not load the library: librpmbuild.so, librpmbuild.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory; I don't have a librpmbuild.so file. But there are these: $ locate librpmbuild.so /usr/lib/librpmbuild.so.2 /usr/lib/librpmbuild.so.2.0.0 The solution is to install the package rpm-devel? Nope, because it fails later. The problem is that the Air installer is looking for an API call that no longer exists. A bugzilla (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=692381) indicates that that's just too bad. I have reported the issue through Adobe's bug tracking system. -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 09:09:46 -0700, JZ wrote: On 06/13/2011 06:33 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:48:12 +0800, KP wrote: Remember that what I wanted was to remove Dial-up Networking Support - it is not expected that this operation should remove all Networking! Then what is it supposed to do instead? If you can install Networking without installing Dial-up Networking Support, you should be able to remove the latter without otherwise affecting the former. How would you install Networking? -- $ yum grouplist|grep -i network Dial-up Networking Support Network Servers Legacy Network Server -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Fedora 15 Doesn't started
I hv got a problem. I have purchased a dell studio laptop with these config. i7 processor 2.2 GHZ boost up to 3.3 8 GB ram 2 GB nvidia 540m graphics card Intel hd graphics card 750 GB hardisk. so the main problem is when i boot fedora 15 it doesn't show any screen. i have installed it on my portable seagate 500 GB hardisk. previously i had used fedora 14 and fedora 13. they all boot well and worked fine. but fedora 15 don't show any screen after booting on my system. But on my brothers laptop it works fine. May be it is a GNOME3 doesn't have support of my graphics card or anything else. Can somebody help me? Please. I have installed on my system via live usb but not on my laptop, by using another laptop. First I created a live usb of Fedora 15 using Unetbootin. then i tried to boot from it on my laptop. But shows an error - Dropping to debug shell. sh: can't access tty: job control turned off dracut:/# as i had told you earlier. then i tried to boot the live usb on another laptop that is HP pavilion dv 2700 with -Intel Core 2 duo processor 1.8GHz -2gb ram -256Mb nividia geforce 8600 m graphics card. -160 gb hardisk fedora 15 live usb boots well on that system without any error and GNOME3 also supports it's hardware. then i attached my portable hardisk to that system and started the installation process. During the installation process i formatted my fedora 14 partition install fedora 15 to it. Then i installed another Linux distro backtrack5 to my portable hardisk on another partition by replacing Ubuntu 10.10. Both these distro works fine on HP laptop but not on my dell. fedora 15 doesn't show any screen after booting but Backtrack5 works correctly. there is no problem with GRUB or any installation. I think it doesn't support my laptop's hardware. I had also tried to boot at run level 1, but it gives some Intel Mux call failed error with - Dropping to debug shell. sh: can't access tty: job control turned off dracut:/# thanks for help, I had tried to boot fedora 15 at run level 1,3,5. But no one seems to work for me. Please somebody help me i want to experience Fedora 15 on my laptop? Regards Navdeep Singh -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 Doesn't started
Is possibly the boot manager not correctly installed? Do you get any boot screen with kernel-name? Otherwise, try to boot from your recovery/installation CD, go into recover and set up your boot manager. suomi On 2011-06-13 19:26, Navdeep Singh Sidhu wrote: I hv got a problem. I have purchased a dell studio laptop with these config. i7 processor 2.2 GHZ boost up to 3.3 8 GB ram 2 GB nvidia 540m graphics card Intel hd graphics card 750 GB hardisk. so the main problem is when i boot fedora 15 it doesn't show any screen. i have installed it on my portable seagate 500 GB hardisk. previously i had used fedora 14 and fedora 13. they all boot well and worked fine. but fedora 15 don't show any screen after booting on my system. But on my brothers laptop it works fine. May be it is a GNOME3 doesn't have support of my graphics card or anything else. Can somebody help me? Please. I have installed on my system via live usb but not on my laptop, by using another laptop. First I created a live usb of Fedora 15 using Unetbootin. then i tried to boot from it on my laptop. But shows an error - Dropping to debug shell. sh: can't access tty: job control turned off dracut:/# as i had told you earlier. then i tried to boot the live usb on another laptop that is HP pavilion dv 2700 with -Intel Core 2 duo processor 1.8GHz -2gb ram -256Mb nividia geforce 8600 m graphics card. -160 gb hardisk fedora 15 live usb boots well on that system without any error and GNOME3 also supports it's hardware. then i attached my portable hardisk to that system and started the installation process. During the installation process i formatted my fedora 14 partition install fedora 15 to it. Then i installed another Linux distro backtrack5 to my portable hardisk on another partition by replacing Ubuntu 10.10. Both these distro works fine on HP laptop but not on my dell. fedora 15 doesn't show any screen after booting but Backtrack5 works correctly. there is no problem with GRUB or any installation. I think it doesn't support my laptop's hardware. I had also tried to boot at run level 1, but it gives some Intel Mux call failed error with - Dropping to debug shell. sh: can't access tty: job control turned off dracut:/# thanks for help, I had tried to boot fedora 15 at run level 1,3,5. But no one seems to work for me. Please somebody help me i want to experience Fedora 15 on my laptop? Regards Navdeep Singh -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: software time lock and web access control
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 07:21 -0500, Javier Perez wrote: Hi Is there any easy to use and setup program to control web access for a user? also to set time of day allowed usage of certain programs? This for a home computer using Fedora 14. I know maybe a combintion of IPTABLES and probably SQUID should do the trick, but 1. I want something easy to use and modify, not something that would force me to open the gusts of the system up. 2. Likewise, I am not sure if I can block stuff on a user basis with IPTABLES and SQUID. As Far as I have read, whatever configuration I set up with them, will work the same for ALL Users. So far I just started studying this issue an I am just beginning my research, I just want to be pointed at on the right direction. In the end I know once kids learn enough they will be able to bypass all these walls, but I will deal with it when I reach that level... Check out SquidGuard http://www.squidguard.org/ Available in the Fedora repos... Quite easy to configure as long as you have squid running OK. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: gnome/XFCE desktop wallpaper problem - it won't stay!
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 09:14:09 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: On 06/13/2011 08:10 AM, BeartoothHOS wrote: Do you have it set to show different backgrounds of different workspaces? I was going to originally, but ended up with having all of them change backgrounds together but randomly. OK, that probably explains the difference. I do. When I grab a pic I want for a background, and then click a vacant workspace to take a look, it shows the new one for a few seconds, and then goes to the preset. When it first started doing that, I had forgotten I'd played with wallpapoz, and was thoroughly bewildered for a couple days. -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 7:37 PM, David wrote: I disagree. He makes a very valid point. New installs of Windows always come up with a tutorial and helper app. I have never seen anything like that on Linux Really? Seriously? What New installs of Windows of Windows are you referring to? None that I have seen do this. Version numbers of Windows? Dates of install? I can't think of any. I don't really have a horse in this race, but I remember such apps and popups myself. And it didn't take me but ten seconds to google an example: http://techsalsa.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/take-tour-windows-xp.png Arguments about the usefulness of this are perhaps in order, but to argue that it didn't exist at all seems silly to me. -Alan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 Doesn't started
Navdeep Singh Sidhu wrote: so the main problem is when i boot fedora 15 it doesn't show any screen. It's not clear (to me, at least) precisely what you mean. Does the grub screen come up, and you choose Fedora-15, and then it goes wrong? Or does nothing at all come up on the screen? In any case, if it were me I'd download and burn a Fedora Live CD, and see if that worked. If that didn't work, I'd download and burn a Knoppix CD, and look at the setup with that, in particular /boot/grub/grub.conf (if nothing ever appears on the screen). -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?
On 06/13/2011 10:12 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: How would you install Networking? Well, I generally make sure that it's selected when I install Fedora. Checking, I find that there's a directory on this box, /etc/ppp so it must have been brought in with everything else. However, I don't see why removing it would take out everything else in Networking. I won't say that there's no good reason for it, but I will say that it's not clear to me why that would happen. Does anybody on the list know? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: gnome/XFCE desktop wallpaper problem - it won't stay!
On 06/13/2011 11:16 AM, BeartoothHOS wrote: When it first started doing that, I had forgotten I'd played with wallpapoz, and was thoroughly bewildered for a couple days. Email the maintainer. I had trouble with it when I first switched from Gnome to XFCE, and he had a fix for it within a day or so. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
On Sun June 12 2011, Stephen Bunn wrote: Seriously? You aren't really trying to argue the point that windows has better documentation than GNU/Linux. That and the *goal* shouldn't be who has the most users. The *goal* should be a desktop that does what the user base needs it to do. The GNU/Linux user communities need to stop this nonsense of trying to compete with Windows and/or OS X. Instead we should be focusing on building an operating system that works for the existing user base. If its good other people *will* learn it. No, I think that Windows is just more user-friendly and does more hand- holding than Linux. I think we need to get out of the mindset of we don't want 'everybody' using linux because then it wouldn't be cool. It often seems that's the attitude that a lot of people have, and I think we ought to be doing more to encourage joe 6pack to pick up a copy of Linux and install it over Windows. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
On 13/06/2011 3:01 PM, John Aldrich wrote: No, I think that Windows is just more user-friendly and does more hand- holding than Linux. I think we need to get out of the mindset of we don't want 'everybody' using linux because then it wouldn't be cool. It often seems that's the attitude that a lot of people have, and I think we ought to be doing more to encourage joe 6pack to pick up a copy of Linux and install it over Windows. Well sure. But let's not go down the path of lobotomizing it to the point where it has achieved glorified typewriter status. Which is, I'm afraid, where most people's mindset is about computers in general, and Windows in particular. If we make the system so stupid that it can't be used for further development of the system, then we've failed gloriously. It should never reach the point that the Fedora developer feels tempted to reach for something else, because the system he's developing for is inadequate for the task of developing. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:47:49 -0700, JZ wrote: How would you install Networking? Well, I generally make sure that it's selected when I install Fedora. Really? Do you add/choose a particular package group for it? Or do you visit potential groups in search for ppp and place a checkmark next to ppp there? Or do you rely on the default install to include PPP support? As I've shown, there is no Networking group, but there is the Dial-up Networking Support group. Checking, I find that there's a directory on this box, /etc/ppp so it must have been brought in with everything else. However, I don't see why removing it would take out everything else in Networking. I won't say that there's no good reason for it, but I will say that it's not clear to me why that would happen. Does anybody on the list know? That has been explained at the beginning of this thread. $ repoquery --whatrequires ppp ppp-0:2.4.5-17.fc15.x86_64 NetworkManager-1:0.8.999-2.git20110509.fc15.x86_64 NetworkManager-1:0.8.9997-2.git20110531.fc15.x86_64 NetworkManager-pptp-1:0.8.999-1.fc15.x86_64 bluemodem-0:0.7-6.fc15.x86_64 kdenetwork-7:4.6.2-2.fc15.x86_64 kdenetwork-7:4.6.3-1.fc15.x86_64 ppp-0:2.4.5-17.fc15.x86_64 pptp-0:1.7.2-12.fc15.x86_64 rp-pppoe-0:3.10-8.fc15.x86_64 synce-serial-0:0.11-5.fc15.x86_64 wvdial-0:1.61-4.fc15.x86_64 xfce4-modemlights-plugin-0:0.1.3.99-7.fc15.x86_64 xl2tpd-0:1.2.7-3.fc15.x86_64 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Alan Cox a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk wrote: The point is, you have to match the distro to the user, not the other way around. If the OP isn't happy with Fedora, I hope he finds a distro he likes better. The primary end user Linux UI is Android. In that sense the argument is over for the moment. Alan I agree. Android is growing and has more eyeballs/users. Due to sheer numbers it will become the de facto GUI. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
--- On Sun, 6/12/11, Andras Simon sza...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/13/11, Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote: [...] Considered XFCE and LXDE instead, but decided the best option was to abandon the Desktop GUI environment all-together in favor of a well-featured window manager, simple launch bar for most used apps, floating menus for the others, and a terminal or two. I don't really need all the other crap. Not even 3D. Welcome to the club :-) I never understood what these desktop environments give mankind that a window manager doesn't. But then I never launch programs; they are either running all the time (Firefox, Emacs, c) or are started from the command line (mplayer, xpdf, ...). (I'm nevertheless using Xfce on a netbook, because I was too lazy to fight the system :-)) My primary choice is Debian 6, 64-bit, and Openbox. I've been testing both in VirtualBox for a few months. So far, so good. I think the difference between running a distro virtualized and on your real computer is like the difference between dating someone and marrying her :-) But I hope it turns out well for you! Running Debian in a VM was not for check system compatibility (That's already been done), but to experiment with doing a Base install and then adding and configuring the rest of the system piece by piece to gain the leanest, most efficient system without resorting to the Linux-From-Scatch approach. After all, most of the hardware is at least 6 years old. So, by today's standards, for a desktop, it's OLD, and I need it to maintain usability for another 2 to 3 years. At that time, I'll decide whether to build another or abandon the traditional box concept entirely. Good luck, Thanks. B -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
--- On Sun, 6/12/11, Digimer li...@alteeve.com wrote: On 06/12/2011 06:08 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: It's been a nice ride these past 7 years with Fedora as my primary OS, but it's time to move on. My current [snip] Every distro exists to fit a niche. That Fedora is not the one for your needs is fine, and I hope Debian 6 works well for you. As a former Debian/Ubuntu user now on CentOS/RHEL and Fedora, I've moved around, too. The strength on Linux is the choice available to it's users. One of the reasons I chose Linux 10 years ago when I switched from the Amiga. B -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
On Mon June 13 2011, Marcus D. Leech wrote: Well sure. But let's not go down the path of lobotomizing it to the point where it has achieved glorified typewriter status. Which is, I'm afraid, where most people's mindset is about computers in general, and Windows in particular. If we make the system so stupid that it can't be used for further development of the system, then we've failed gloriously. It should never reach the point that the Fedora developer feels tempted to reach for something else, because the system he's developing for is inadequate for the task of developing. No, I would not advocate lobotomizing linux either. I just think it would be extremely helpful if we had something similar to the tour that XP takes you on (if you let it) when you first install. Not to mention the helper that comes up when you're installing it and finishing the configuration. I just think we need some n00b tools to help ease new users into Linux that advanced users can ignore or at least tell to go away. I mean, can you imagine handing some random person on the street a laptop with Fedora installed and saying here you go... Most of them would probably have no idea what to do. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?
On 06/13/2011 12:20 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: Really? Do you add/choose a particular package group for it? Or do you visit potential groups in search for ppp and place a checkmark next to ppp there? Or do you rely on the default install to include PPP support? As I've shown, there is no Networking group, but there is the Dial-up Networking Support group. I have never, knowingly, installed it on this laptop. I did, however, make sure that Networking Support was installed when I first installed Fedora 13. Although I have used dial-up support under Linux, by the time I got this box I no longer had an account with ppp access, so I've never had a reason before to check for it. How it came in I don't know, and I'm not interested in experimenting to find out if I can remove it without removing anything else. I'm just mentioning that it's here. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
On 06/13/2011 12:25 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: After all, most of the hardware is at least 6 years old. So, by today's standards, for a desktop, it's OLD, and I need it to maintain usability for another 2 to 3 years. The mobo and CPU on my main desktop box go back to '03, and I'm not in a position to consider an upgrade. F14 works fine for me, although it's starting to slow down a tad as things get more memory intensive. (The biggest problem is that the mobo is maxed out at 1Gig, even though the chip can handle twice that.) Of course, your needs are probably significantly different, and a merely 6 year old box may well be too old for you. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Current preupgrade?
Some weeks ago, when preupgrade led or could lead to F15 Beta, I tried it and got royally snarled up. I never did get Gnome3 to boot properly on that machine, and finally installed Scientific Linux, which I also wanted to try. (I like it.) I'm thinking I might want to try F15 again. I got a look at it with Gnome3 by running a live CD -- and didn't do very well. So I'd like also to be able to run Xfce instead of Gnome3. Is there a way to do that? Alt-F2 to gnome-terminal to root to yum install xfce, maybe? -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
RE: Adieu, Fedora
- Visite o estande da Itautec no CIAB, maior evento de Tecnologiapara o setor financeiro, e conheça soluções inovadoras 15 a 17 de junho - Transamérica Expo Center - São Paulo - SP Inscreva-se no site www.ciab.com.br www.itautec.com.br twitter.com/itautec facebook.com/itautec - -Original Message- No, I would not advocate lobotomizing linux either. I just think it would be extremely helpful if we had something similar to the tour that XP takes you on (if you let it) when you first install. Not to mention the helper that comes up when you're installing it and finishing the configuration. Yes, and a cute little dog when you do a file search would be nice too! 0 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
nss_ldap + sssd for hostname resolution
Hello Folks, I can't seem to get a combination that was working with Fedora 13 to work with Fedora 15. In Fedora 13 I would use these settings in /etc/nsswitch.conf: hosts: files dns ldap And in /etc/ldap.conf: nss_base_hosts ou=Hosts,dc=foobar,dc=org?one If I try to do this on Fedora 15, it doesn't work at all. Is there a way to do this without having to install 'nss_ldap'? I also would like to get the 'netgroups' from LDAP... this was also working with Fedora 13. As it is now, I'm using 'nis' as a workaround for these mappings when I should be doing it with 'ldap'. Thank You! -- Luc Lalonde, analyste - Département de génie informatique: École polytechnique de Montréal (514) 340-4711 x5049 luc.lalo...@polymtl.ca - -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
--- On Sun, 6/12/11, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote: It's been a nice ride these past 7 years with Fedora as my primary OS, but it's time to move on. This reminds me of OS/2 users on oS/2 maling list who often decided that not only they had to change OS, they had to write a long tirade telling others why they decided to leave, and why their once-favorite OS was doomed. As is sharing their grief with the rest of the community were of some use for anyone. No grief. No tirade. No insults. Just a polite good-bye and an explanation of why. Any organization deserves at least that much from one of its members. I say: good riddance! Why does my switching distros bother you so much that you need to resort to insults to slake that animosity? B -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
OT: RE: Adieu, Fedora
Yes, and a cute little dog when you do a file search would be nice too! Speaking of cute little dogs...maybe someone should redo M$ Bob for Linux...we could call it Linux Boob :-) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: nss_ldap + sssd for hostname resolution
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 03:45:50PM -0400, Luc Lalonde wrote: Hello Folks, I can't seem to get a combination that was working with Fedora 13 to work with Fedora 15. In Fedora 13 I would use these settings in /etc/nsswitch.conf: hosts: files dns ldap I really would recommend not doing that -- the LDAP client libraries tend to depend on hostname resolution, so using them for hostname resolution has often caused problems when 'files' or 'dns' couldn't come up with an answer that was asked for while connecting to the directory server. In those cases, the nss_ldap module would then recurse into itself. If the host name resolution path involved taking a lock, the process would get stuck, and if it didn't, it would encounter the same problem and keep recursing until it crashed. And in /etc/ldap.conf: nss_base_hosts ou=Hosts,dc=foobar,dc=org?one If I try to do this on Fedora 15, it doesn't work at all. Is there a way to do this without having to install 'nss_ldap'? I also would like to get the 'netgroups' from LDAP... this was also working with Fedora 13. If you're using nss-pam-ldapd, you'd want to put something like this in your /etc/nslcd.conf and make sure the nslcd service is started: base hosts ou=Hosts,dc=foobar,dc=org?one HTH, Nalin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
--- On Sun, 6/12/11, JD jd1...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/12/2011 03:08 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: It's been a nice ride these past 7 years with Fedora as my primary OS, but it's time to move on. My current [snip] As was stated in a recent response on this list, Fedora is always in test mode, so will always change rapidly. You will find that Debian uses very old releases of kernel and user apps and libs, thus much of the new advances are not available for it from it's vanilla repos. Not all that old. I'm running kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64 on the Debian 6 VM, which I haven't checked lately to see if there's an update. My current kernel for F12 is 2.6.32.26-175 64-bit. Not that much difference. Remember, my hardware is 6 years old. Plus, I can always recompile. Also, if you are looking for support over many years, are you sure that it is actively supported and new bugs fixed in this release version you have chosen? One of the reasons I chose Debian. Support usually lasts around 4 to 5 years for everything. They just stopped support on Debian 4 this past February. 4 was released April 2007. So, 4 years. A nice run. All I'll need for now. B -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: nss_ldap + sssd for hostname resolution
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 15:45 -0400, Luc Lalonde wrote: Hello Folks, I can't seem to get a combination that was working with Fedora 13 to work with Fedora 15. In Fedora 13 I would use these settings in /etc/nsswitch.conf: hosts: files dns ldap And in /etc/ldap.conf: nss_base_hosts ou=Hosts,dc=foobar,dc=org?one If I try to do this on Fedora 15, it doesn't work at all. Is there a way to do this without having to install 'nss_ldap'? I also would like to get the 'netgroups' from LDAP... this was also working with Fedora 13. Fedora 15 switched to nss-pam-ldapd, which uses the /etc/nslcd.conf file instead of /etc/ldap.conf (which was easy to confuse with the config file for openldap). SSSD now supports netgroups in Fedora 15, so you can just use netgroups: files sss We don't yet support the 'hosts' map, see https://fedorahosted.org/sssd/ticket/359 As it is now, I'm using 'nis' as a workaround for these mappings when I should be doing it with 'ldap'. Thank You! -- Luc Lalonde, analyste - Département de génie informatique: École polytechnique de Montréal (514) 340-4711 x5049 luc.lalo...@polymtl.ca - signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Still some mysteie about FC15
Well I was on vacation so I only installed FC15 today. And some strange tings occurred. 1, The wiki pages on systemd say that chkconfig --less does not work. That is not true. I know its a wiki and I can make changes. Well maybe sometime. 2. The method for making the cursor's focus become active when you move the cursor onto a window is well hidden. Why should that be. As far as I can find the only way to do that is to install gconf-editor and change /apps/metacity/general/focus_mode from clean to sloppy. That is not too obvious. Does anyone know another way to do it? 3. Someone needs to give the Gnome3 people a lesson on instructional videos. They go too fast so the use of workspaces and lining up 2 widows next to each other are still a mystery. Does anyone have better explanation of these topics. 4. Why are things like gnotes not installed by default? That is enough for now. I will keep working on it. -- === Sanity is the trademark of a weak mind. -- Mark Harrold === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: nss_ldap + sssd for hostname resolution
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 04:00:45PM -0400, Nalin Dahyabhai wrote: If you're using nss-pam-ldapd, you'd want to put something like this in your /etc/nslcd.conf and make sure the nslcd service is started: base hosts ou=Hosts,dc=foobar,dc=org?one Strike that. It would actually be more like: base hosts ou=Hosts,dc=foobar,dc=org scope hosts one Cheers, Nalin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Current preupgrade?
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:38 PM, BeartoothHOS bearto...@comcast.net wrote: yum install xfce # yum groupinstall xfce -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:33:38 -0700, JZ wrote: I have never, knowingly, installed it on this laptop. I did, however, make sure that Networking Support was installed when I first installed Fedora 13. Although I have used dial-up support under Linux, by the time I got this box I no longer had an account with ppp access, so I've never had a reason before to check for it. How it came in I don't know, and I'm not interested in experimenting to find out if I can remove it without removing anything else. I'm just mentioning that it's here. There you're pretty much off-topic. ;-) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Still some mysteries about FC15
TO FIX A MANGLED SUBJECT LINE Well I was on vacation so I only installed FC15 today. And some strange tings occurred. 1, The wiki pages on systemd say that chkconfig --less does not work. That is not true. I know its a wiki and I can make changes. Well maybe sometime. 2. The method for making the cursor's focus become active when you move the cursor onto a window is well hidden. Why should that be. As far as I can find the only way to do that is to install gconf-editor and change /apps/metacity/general/focus_mode from clean to sloppy. That is not too obvious. Does anyone know another way to do it? 3. Someone needs to give the Gnome3 people a lesson on instructional videos. They go too fast so the use of workspaces and lining up 2 widows next to each other are still a mystery. Does anyone have better explanation of these topics. 4. Why are things like gnotes not installed by default? That is enough for now. I will keep working on it. -- === Sanity is the trademark of a weak mind. -- Mark Harrold === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- === When among apes, one must play the ape. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Current preupgrade?
I have never had any success with preupgrade so have sworn off it. Instead, I have used yum following the instructions at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq#Fedora_14_-.3E_Fedora_15 It was effortless this last time around. It appears, however, that you would like to use XFCE instead of G3. In that case, why not do a clear install from the F15 LiveCD XFCE spin? Many thanks and best wishes, Ranjan On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:38:18 -0500 BeartoothHOS bearto...@comcast.net wrote: Some weeks ago, when preupgrade led or could lead to F15 Beta, I tried it and got royally snarled up. I never did get Gnome3 to boot properly on that machine, and finally installed Scientific Linux, which I also wanted to try. (I like it.) I'm thinking I might want to try F15 again. I got a look at it with Gnome3 by running a live CD -- and didn't do very well. So I'd like also to be able to run Xfce instead of Gnome3. Is there a way to do that? Alt-F2 to gnome-terminal to root to yum install xfce, maybe? -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Still some mysteie about FC15
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:14:56 -0500, AK wrote: Well I was on vacation so I only installed FC15 today. And some strange tings occurred. 1, The wiki pages on systemd say that chkconfig --less does not work. That is not true. I know its a wiki and I can make changes. Well maybe sometime. --less? Do you mean --list? If so, the latter really isn't accurate. It even warns about that: Note: This output shows SysV services only and does not include native systemd services. SysV configuration data might be overridden by native systemd configuration. 2. The method for making the cursor's focus become active when you move the cursor onto a window is well hidden. Why should that be. As far as I can find the only way to do that is to install gconf-editor and change /apps/metacity/general/focus_mode from clean to sloppy. That is not too obvious. Does anyone know another way to do it? Not yet. $ gconftool-2 --set -t bool /apps/metacity/general/auto_raise true $ gconftool-2 --set -t int /apps/metacity/general/auto_raise_delay 700 $ gconftool-2 --set -t string /apps/metacity/general/focus_mode mouse (defaults to click) 3. Someone needs to give the Gnome3 people a lesson on instructional videos. They go too fast so the use of workspaces and lining up 2 widows next to each other are still a mystery. Does anyone have better explanation of these topics. I click'n'hold a window's title bar and move the mouse pointer against the screen's left or right border. The 50% area the window will take, if I release the mouse button, is displayed on the screen with a blue overlay. 4. Why are things like gnotes not installed by default? gnote? Can't answer that. Probably it isn't integrated well with the GNOME Shell yet. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?
On 06/13/2011 01:19 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: There you're pretty much off-topic. ;-) Not quite. My thinking is that if it comes in with the rest of Networking, there's a reason, even if I don't know what it is. For all I know it might simply be that that's how it was set up back when most people only had dial-up service and that nobody's bothered to change it because it doesn't take up enough room to worry about. And, if so, that might explain why taking it out takes our the rest of Network Services: nobody's thought to take a look at it and see if that still makes sense. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NetworkManager cannot connect automatically to hidden network. nm-applet shows *really* big icons
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Joshua C. joshua...@googlemail.com wrote: After upgrading to f15 the nm-applet cannot automatically connect to hidden wlan networks. It sees them and I can connect to them manually. The connect automatically checkbox is clicked. Another problem is that the nm-applet looks really awkward. As you can see from the attached screenshot the icons are *really* big. Maybe this is connected to gtk or other graphical manager. Has anyone else seen this problem on kde? Should I file a bug report? I get this on KDE too. I also get the icon on the system tray is blank. There is space for it and if I click on it I get the menu, but its not always there. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Default browser problem -
Something's seriously broken and changing the default apps just doesn't work consistently. This applies throughout the Gnome3 shell. You need to edit ~/.thunderbird/yourprofile/ and edit mimeTypes.rdf: Find and edit the stanzas referencing firefox. The should be for http, https, and ftp. As I noted in the other thread on this topic, this did not resolve my problem. Matter of fact, my laptop running F15 using the very same rdf file fails to open any browser from Thunderbird Same problem here, only on F14 with Tbird 5 beta 1. As an additional data point (I think the something's seriously broken statement has some truth to it), I removed Chrome altogether from my system, leaving FireFox as the only browser. After re-starting Thunderbird, clicking on links in it does nothing at all--FireFox is not invoked. Thunderbird's error console reports: Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsIExternalProtocolService.loadUrl] nsresult: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) location: JS frame :: chrome://communicator/content/contentAreaClick.js :: openLinkExternally :: line 188 data: no] Don't understand this completely, but it seems clear it tried to open Chrome. Re-installing Chrome reverts to previously reported behavior--all links in Thunderbird open Chrome, not FireFox. -- Tim Evans, TKEvans.com, Inc.| 5 Chestnut Court UNIX System Admin Consulting| Owings Mills, MD 21117 http://www.tkevans.com/ | 443-394-3864 http://www.come-here.com/News/ | tkev...@tkevans.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Still some mysteie about FC15
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 22:29 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: Well I was on vacation so I only installed FC15 today. And some strange tings occurred. 1, The wiki pages on systemd say that chkconfig --less does not work. That is not true. I know its a wiki and I can make changes. Well maybe sometime. --less? Do you mean --list? If so, the latter really isn't accurate. It even warns about that: I did mean chkconfig --list That works on my machine. Are you saying it does not? -- === Man usually avoids attributing cleverness to somebody else -- unless it is an enemy. -- Albert Einstein === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 13:44:45 -0700, JZ wrote: On 06/13/2011 01:19 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: There you're pretty much off-topic. ;-) Not quite. My thinking is that if it comes in with the rest of Networking, there's a reason, even if I don't know what it is. For all I know it might simply be that that's how it was set up back when most people only had dial-up service and that nobody's bothered to change it because it doesn't take up enough room to worry about. And, if so, that might explain why taking it out takes our the rest of Network Services: nobody's thought to take a look at it and see if that still makes sense. Now you only repeat [albeit with many words] what has been explained before. Do I need to repeat that package ppp is a dependency of NetworkManager and that by removing ppp you need to remove NetworkManager, too? $ repoquery --whatrequires ppp ppp-0:2.4.5-17.fc15.x86_64 NetworkManager-1:0.8.999-2.git20110509.fc15.x86_64 NetworkManager-1:0.8.9997-2.git20110531.fc15.x86_64 NetworkManager-pptp-1:0.8.999-1.fc15.x86_64 bluemodem-0:0.7-6.fc15.x86_64 kdenetwork-7:4.6.2-2.fc15.x86_64 kdenetwork-7:4.6.3-1.fc15.x86_64 ppp-0:2.4.5-17.fc15.x86_64 pptp-0:1.7.2-12.fc15.x86_64 rp-pppoe-0:3.10-8.fc15.x86_64 synce-serial-0:0.11-5.fc15.x86_64 wvdial-0:1.61-4.fc15.x86_64 xfce4-modemlights-plugin-0:0.1.3.99-7.fc15.x86_64 xl2tpd-0:1.2.7-3.fc15.x86_64 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
On Mon June 13 2011, Dave Ihnat wrote: We need to get more beginner docco out there--and get it to people. Maybe downloading a Linux distro results in an E-Mail to the user with a link to How Linux is Different from Windows--which is a video, and a text document, and maybe a downloadable E-Book--that describes what they're going to see, and how to do the same things in Linux they commonly have to do in Windows, and how to solve common installation problems--and avoids fanboi/religious rants while doing so. (No, this doesn't exist, AFAIK). That's a VERY good idea... maybe even have a beginner's setup and an advanced user setup where the beginner setup asks things like what's your email address and automatically sets up a default email client for them so they can *receive* the email. :D -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 23:02 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 13:44:45 -0700, JZ wrote: On 06/13/2011 01:19 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: There you're pretty much off-topic. ;-) Not quite. My thinking is that if it comes in with the rest of Networking, there's a reason, even if I don't know what it is. For all I know it might simply be that that's how it was set up back when most people only had dial-up service and that nobody's bothered to change it because it doesn't take up enough room to worry about. And, if so, that might explain why taking it out takes our the rest of Network Services: nobody's thought to take a look at it and see if that still makes sense. Now you only repeat [albeit with many words] what has been explained before. Do I need to repeat that package ppp is a dependency of NetworkManager and that by removing ppp you need to remove NetworkManager, too? That's a feature of dependency analysis: NetworkManager expects to be able to control ppp connections. In order to do that, it needs ppp. So if you remove ppp, NetworkManager thinks it is itself broken. But if you never intend to use NetworkManager to control ppp connections, it would seem that you could install NetworkManager without installing ppp. It would never break if you never ask it to do that. But there's no easy way to manage these sorts of conditional dependencies. So the simple solution is to just install all the software that NetworkManager thinks it needs to run under all use cases. After all, if you never use that feature, the only drawback is a tiny amount of wasted disk space (and maybe some minor annoyance on the part of package purists 8^). $ repoquery --whatrequires ppp ppp-0:2.4.5-17.fc15.x86_64 NetworkManager-1:0.8.999-2.git20110509.fc15.x86_64 NetworkManager-1:0.8.9997-2.git20110531.fc15.x86_64 NetworkManager-pptp-1:0.8.999-1.fc15.x86_64 bluemodem-0:0.7-6.fc15.x86_64 kdenetwork-7:4.6.2-2.fc15.x86_64 kdenetwork-7:4.6.3-1.fc15.x86_64 ppp-0:2.4.5-17.fc15.x86_64 pptp-0:1.7.2-12.fc15.x86_64 rp-pppoe-0:3.10-8.fc15.x86_64 synce-serial-0:0.11-5.fc15.x86_64 wvdial-0:1.61-4.fc15.x86_64 xfce4-modemlights-plugin-0:0.1.3.99-7.fc15.x86_64 xl2tpd-0:1.2.7-3.fc15.x86_64 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Current preupgrade?
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 13:19:11 -0700, suvayu ali wrote: yum groupinstall xfce Done, with thanks. Stay tuned. -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?
On 06/13/2011 02:02 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: Now you only repeat [albeit with many words] what has been explained before. Do I need to repeat that package ppp is a dependency of NetworkManager and that by removing ppp you need to remove NetworkManager, too? No, I'm not repeating what's been said before; I'm suggesting an *explanation* for this behaviour, which is more than anybody else has even tried. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
ltsp fedora 14
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bonsoir, I need to install thin clients with fedora 14, It seems that ltsp disappeared from fedora Where can I find rpm of ltsp compatible with f14? Thank you. F.P. - -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 8394 5849 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk32f8IACgkQdE6C2dhV2JUipwCffVhsoOgtSg3tuvZPzYEUmHUW iZIAoMrNpbcvIyTWq8lqx5q5N4u1rGoN =iVGY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Printer still not working with LibreOffice, etc.
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 12:29 +0200, Antonio M wrote: 2011/6/13 Lawrence E Graves lgra...@risingstarmbc.com: Fedora 15 is still flushing my printer. -- Lawrence E Graves lgra...@risingstarmbc.com a lot of informations from your post ;-) I doubt that anybody can help youat least make and model of printer, I suggest Actually - I had an offline conversation with the OP. This is a legitimate issue. He has a printer (I believe a Brother MFC series - don't remember which), that has been configured on F15 x86-64 on a USB port. Launching a test print job from from the Printer Configuration applet produces a properly formatted test page. Attempting to open and print a document from LibreOffice does nothing. According to the system messages, the print job clearly spools to the print queue, but the printer seems to be just flushing the print job and doing nothing, but it is apparently not returning any errors other than a Successfully Printed message (which, clearly did not happen). I would hazard to guess that, since printing from LibreOffice to my HP OfficeJet 6500 series printer works, that this issue may be with the way LibreOffice and the Brother Print drivers are (not) working together. Just a thought anyway. Cheers, Chris -- == Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?
On 06/13/2011 02:18 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote: That's a feature of dependency analysis: NetworkManager expects to be able to control ppp connections. In order to do that, it needs ppp. So if you remove ppp, NetworkManager thinks it is itself broken. But if you never intend to use NetworkManager to control ppp connections, it would seem that you could install NetworkManager without installing ppp. It would never break if you never ask it to do that. Thank you; asked and answered. I'd prefer to have Network Services be a dependency of ppp rather than the other way around, but as we both point out, the space involved is trivial. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Printer still not working with LibreOffice, etc.
On 06/13/2011 04:31 PM, Christopher A. Williams wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 12:29 +0200, Antonio M wrote: 2011/6/13 Lawrence E Graveslgra...@risingstarmbc.com: Fedora 15 is still flushing my printer. -- Lawrence E Graveslgra...@risingstarmbc.com a lot of informations from your post ;-) I doubt that anybody can help youat least make and model of printer, I suggest Actually - I had an offline conversation with the OP. This is a legitimate issue. He has a printer (I believe a Brother MFC series - don't remember which), that has been configured on F15 x86-64 on a USB port. Launching a test print job from from the Printer Configuration applet produces a properly formatted test page. Attempting to open and print a document from LibreOffice does nothing. According to the system messages, the print job clearly spools to the print queue, but the printer seems to be just flushing the print job and doing nothing, but it is apparently not returning any errors other than a Successfully Printed message (which, clearly did not happen). I would hazard to guess that, since printing from LibreOffice to my HP OfficeJet 6500 series printer works, that this issue may be with the way LibreOffice and the Brother Print drivers are (not) working together. Just a thought anyway. Cheers, Chris I suppose a workaround would be to export as PDF then print from the PDF app, but that really stinks. I had issues with libreOffice crashing when trying to print, but some update recently seems to have fixed that. -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NetworkManager cannot connect automatically to hidden network. nm-applet shows *really* big icons
2011/6/13 Andrew Parker andrewpar...@bigfoot.com: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Joshua C. joshua...@googlemail.com wrote: After upgrading to f15 the nm-applet cannot automatically connect to hidden wlan networks. It sees them and I can connect to them manually. The connect automatically checkbox is clicked. Another problem is that the nm-applet looks really awkward. As you can see from the attached screenshot the icons are *really* big. Maybe this is connected to gtk or other graphical manager. Has anyone else seen this problem on kde? Should I file a bug report? I get this on KDE too. I also get the icon on the system tray is blank. There is space for it and if I click on it I get the menu, but its not always there. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines I'll test with the lastest NetworkManager-0.8.9997-3.git20110613.fc15.x86_64 and see if this has been fixed. According to the changelog - core: fix automatic handling of hidden WiFi networks (rh #707406) at least the first problem should have been fixed. I've also copied the maintainer of the package. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Still some mysteries about FC15
Aaron, --- On Mon, 6/13/11, Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Still some mysteries about FC15 To: users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: Monday, June 13, 2011, 1:22 PM TO FIX A MANGLED SUBJECT LINE 3. Someone needs to give the Gnome3 people a lesson on instructional videos. They go too fast so the use of workspaces and lining up 2 widows next to each other are still a mystery. Does anyone have better explanation of these topics. ``lining up 2 widows`` for who? 2 widows, I would bet that you meant windows right? You can set one running program and with the mouse move it to the left till you can see it going to the middle and then you can do something similarly with another program in another windows but to the right and have two windows side by side. :) This is what you mean right? They do this so we can switch between two applications quickly and/or view two things at once?, others can share more. I don't have too many windows open at once :( That is enough for now. I will keep working on it. -- Regards, Antonio -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:36 AM, Dave Ihnat dih...@dminet.com wrote: We need to get more beginner docco out there--and get it to people. Maybe downloading a Linux distro results in an E-Mail to the user with a link to How Linux is Different from Windows--which is a video, and a text document, and maybe a downloadable E-Book--that describes what they're going to see, and how to do the same things in Linux they commonly have to do in Windows, and how to solve common installation problems--and avoids fanboi/religious rants while doing so. (No, this doesn't exist, AFAIK). file:///usr/share/doc/HTML/fedora-release-notes/en-US/index.html or, file:///usr/share/doc/HTML/fedora-release-notes/your_lang_env/index.html Isn't this easy to follow? Maybe there could be a one time splash screen reminding a new user on first login that the documentation is already on their system. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F12 -- F14 upgrade unsuccessful
On 06/11/2011 02:43 PM, Andrew Jamison wrote: I have heard if you plan to upgrade in this manner it is best to upgrade from f12 to f13 then from 13 - 14 due to the rapid change in technologies from f12 to f14 but again this just what I have heard not sure if this is actually the case According to my yum logs, I upgraded F11 to F12 on my laptop in April of 2010. Then, in November, I upgraded directly from F12 to F14. I probably used pre-upgrade for both upgrades. My laptop is now a doorstop (I need a new one), so I can't verify much beyond looking at my old logs. As I recall, I couldn't go direct from F11 to F13 without the intermediate step of F12. Previous to F11, I had been running F9. Previous to that my laptop came with FC6 installed. -- Kevin J. Cummings kjch...@rcn.com cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net cummi...@kjc386.framingham.ma.us Registered Linux User #1232 (http://counter.li.org) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Should Gnome 3 implement WPAD, or not?
I have WPAD configured on my LAN. Configuring Firefox to Auto-detect proxy settings correctly picks up my WPAD-designated proxy in Firefox. I can confirm that Firefox is loading my proxy settings, and is using them properly. However, as far as I can tell, libproxy does absolutely nothing. In F15's Network Settings, I have the Proxy method set to Automatic with a blank URL. According to the description below the prompt, I'm let to believe that this should result in Gnome picking up my WPAD configuration file. As best as I can determine that's what Web Proxy Autodiscover is used when a Configuration URL is not provided means. However, the proxy CLI tool returns direct:// for every URL. Looking into the libproxy package, it looks like native libproxy support for WPAD has been ripped out in F15, and replaced with a hook to retrieve the proxy settings from Gnome. And, as I said, I get direct:// for any URL. As far as I can tell, Gnome is ignoring my WPAD completely. Has anyone gotten WPAD working correctly in F15/Gnome 3?I looked at the hits for wpad.dat on my web server. I see the hits, but all of them carry Firefox's user agent string. I see no hits on wpad.dat that I can attribute to Gnome retrieving it. Can anyone confirm if: * you can demonstrate that you have Gnome 3 picking up your WPAD settings, or * whether the blurb in the network proxy settings indicates something other than WPAD pgpt8nmmAqfj9.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote: Not all that old. I'm running kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64 on the Debian 6 VM, which I haven't checked lately to see if there's an update. My current kernel for F12 is 2.6.32.26-175 64-bit. Not that much difference. Remember, my hardware is 6 years old. Plus, I can always recompile. For pure Debian 6, you'll have 2.6.32 until Debian 7's released in the same way that RHEL 6 and Ubuntu 10.04 are pegged to 2.6.32 for their lifetimes. If you want a newer kernel (or newer anything else), you can either use the backport repositories or enable the testing/unstable ones (unless you want to recompile). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Still some mysteries about FC15
On 06/14/2011 01:52 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:FC15 today. 1, The wiki pages on systemd say that chkconfig --less does not work. That is not true. I know its a wiki and I can make changes. Well maybe sometime. Please be more specific. 4. Why are things like gnotes not installed by default? You mean Gnote? It needs to ported to GTK 3 and integrate better with the shell Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Still some mysteie about FC15
On 06/14/2011 02:31 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 22:29 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: Well I was on vacation so I only installed FC15 today. And some strange tings occurred. 1, The wiki pages on systemd say that chkconfig --less does not work. That is not true. I know its a wiki and I can make changes. Well maybe sometime. --less? Do you mean --list? If so, the latter really isn't accurate. It even warns about that: I did mean chkconfig --list That works on my machine. Are you saying it does not? Where exactly in the wiki does it say it won't work? Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
On 06/13/2011 12:21 PM, Kam Leo wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Alan Coxa...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk wrote: The point is, you have to match the distro to the user, not the other way around. If the OP isn't happy with Fedora, I hope he finds a distro he likes better. The primary end user Linux UI is Android. In that sense the argument is over for the moment. Alan I agree. Android is growing and has more eyeballs/users. Due to sheer numbers it will become the de facto GUI. So, how do I get it as my Fedora desktop on my Intel/AMD based PC? John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
After logging out in gnome3 or xfce, I still see some of the user's processes
If a user runs a gnome3 or xfce session and then logs out, not all processes are killed. I see at least pulseaudio running. The most processes I saw after having logged out, were: 9371 ?00:00:00 menu-cached 12441 ?00:00:00 pulseaudio 12448 ?00:00:00 gconf-helper 12592 ?00:00:00 gnome-keyring-d Somebody sees this too? Kind regards -- Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de http://www.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
weird behaviour of gnome-terminal in xfce or LXDE sessions
After choosing xfce or LXDE as my favorite desktop and logging in and then starting gnome-terminal, I see a weird effect: gnome-terminal is popped up in a normal size, but then the width shrinks automatically and slowly to about the half width. How to get rid of this behaviour? This happens even width freshly created users. All comments are welcome. Kind regards -- Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de http://www.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: After logging out in gnome3 or xfce, I still see some of the user's processes
On 06/14/2011 01:32 PM, Joachim Backes wrote: If a user runs a gnome3 or xfce session and then logs out, not all processes are killed. I see at least pulseaudio running. The most processes I saw after having logged out, were: 9371 ?00:00:00 menu-cached 12441 ?00:00:00 pulseaudio 12448 ?00:00:00 gconf-helper 12592 ?00:00:00 gnome-keyring-d Somebody sees this too? Well, I see it...and then I don't.. After logout these processes hang around for maybe 15~30 seconds after the login screen is presented. But do go away Do yours remain? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: weird behaviour of gnome-terminal in xfce or LXDE sessions
On 06/14/2011 01:38 PM, Joachim Backes wrote: After choosing xfce or LXDE as my favorite desktop and logging in and then starting gnome-terminal, I see a weird effect: gnome-terminal is popped up in a normal size, but then the width shrinks automatically and slowly to about the half width. How to get rid of this behaviour? This happens even width freshly created users. All comments are welcome. Same thing happens here. But, quickly...not slowly. I don't know how to fix it...but sounds like candidate for a bugzilla. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: After logging out in gnome3 or xfce, I still see some of the user's processes
On 06/14/2011 07:41 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 06/14/2011 01:32 PM, Joachim Backes wrote: If a user runs a gnome3 or xfce session and then logs out, not all processes are killed. I see at least pulseaudio running. The most processes I saw after having logged out, were: 9371 ?00:00:00 menu-cached 12441 ?00:00:00 pulseaudio 12448 ?00:00:00 gconf-helper 12592 ?00:00:00 gnome-keyring-d Somebody sees this too? Well, I see it...and then I don't.. After logout these processes hang around for maybe 15~30 seconds after the login screen is presented. But do go away Do yours remain? 1. pulseaudio and gconf-helper disappear after about 30 secs 2. gnome-keyring-daemon and menu-cached remain. It seems they are immune against logout. Kind regards -- Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de http://www.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
