Re: Thunderbird lightning question
On 06/30/15 09:47, Ed Greshko wrote: Sorry for the multiple replies but I just found another oddity if you're using KDE. In system-setttings, if you have personalization--Regional Settings--Formats Detailed Settings checked and alter Time it will override whatever you have in your .bashrc. You can see this, or check, by finding the PID of your T-Bird process, go to /proc/PID and cat environ and check what LC_TIME is set to. Thanks to Ed and Ahmad: setting LC_TIME=C in ~/.bashrc was the solution Kind regards Joachim Backes -- Fedora release 22 (Twenty Two) Kernel-4.0.7-300.fc22.x86_64 Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de https://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Thunderbird lightning question
Sorry for the multiple replies but I just found another oddity if you're using KDE. In system-setttings, if you have personalization--Regional Settings--Formats Detailed Settings checked and alter Time it will override whatever you have in your .bashrc. You can see this, or check, by finding the PID of your T-Bird process, go to /proc/PID and cat environ and check what LC_TIME is set to. -- Sorta what I want to say when folks habitually complain about Fedora - https://youtu.be/ZArl8fTfub4 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Color aliasing. Was Re: Awk and sort (of text files)
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:57:58PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: On 06/29/2015 11:37 PM, Ahmad Samir wrote: If you edit /etc/profile.d/colorls.sh then update coreutils your edits won't get replaced... That may be true, but the whole point is, I don't want ls to use colors. I still don't get it, you can just do this in your ~/.bashrc and get rid of colours. unset LS_COLORS unalias ls In fact, if you do the second, the first one should not be required. I suggested this in my earlier post. Did you try? Cheers, -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
How do you store a Live Feed from a guitar
Everyone, I finally have enough time to play with my computer and guitar at the same time. Does anyone have a method of storing a live feed from a guitar. I have a guitar with an acoustic pickup that I normally use with a regular amplifier. I now have a usb audio cable from Alesis LineLink that I can use to connect my Fedora 22 machine to the acoustic pick up of the guitar. I connected the usb audio cable to the computer and to my guitar, but was not able to get any software that that was on my F22 machine to recognize the the live feed. Have any of you used this kind of equipment or other kinds of equipment to store a live feed from a guitar acoustic pickup. I would like to be able to play and store a song or two and then experiment with mixing the sounds. Any suggestions Greg Ennis -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange booting problem
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: Actually, another option is to put the legacy OS into a VM where it can then inherit some of the features of Linux, including LVM support. Then you can LVM this external drive instead of partitioning it, and then make an LV (or two or three or whatever) to use as backing for the VM, and then those VMs will see each LV as a drive, which you can partition and format with that legacy OS's tools however you want. Or use qcow2. Lots of options. Plus as a legacy OS, it's reasonable to assume it has unpatched security vulnerability that will never be fixed. It's not fore sure safer to run it in a VM, it depends on the configuration of course, but you have the ability to better isolate it than if it's running baremetal. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange booting problem
On 06/30/2015 05:59 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: Actually, another option is to put the legacy OS into a VM where it can then inherit some of the features of Linux, including LVM support. Then you can LVM this external drive instead of partitioning it, and then make an LV (or two or three or whatever) to use as backing for the VM, and then those VMs will see each LV as a drive, which you can partition and format with that legacy OS's tools however you want. Or use qcow2. Lots of options. Very interesting. Very worth trying out. Thanx!! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Awk and sort (of text files)
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015, jd1008 wrote: Personally I tend to use a nontexty character for this kind of placeholder, such as ^G. Less risk of excountering that in the input text, and therefore less risk of accidentally mangling it. Eliminate risk. Replace all strings of e's with another string of e's, one e longer. Replace the intra-paragraph newlines with one e each. Sort. Undo the previous replacements. If, for some reason, one does not like e, use a vertical stroke. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then. -- John Woods -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange booting problem
On 06/30/2015 06:04 PM, jd1008 wrote: On 06/30/2015 05:59 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: Actually, another option is to put the legacy OS into a VM where it can then inherit some of the features of Linux, including LVM support. Then you can LVM this external drive instead of partitioning it, and then make an LV (or two or three or whatever) to use as backing for the VM, and then those VMs will see each LV as a drive, which you can partition and format with that legacy OS's tools however you want. Or use qcow2. Lots of options. Very interesting. Very worth trying out. Thanx!! This being an MSDOS partition you're talking about, there is a concept in the Windows world known as an active partition. I don't know if it is germane to this discussion, so I haven't raised it until now. Microsoft's CLI took for manipulating disk partitions is a called diskpart. The online documentation for diskpart says this about active partitions: active On basic disks, marks the partition with focus as active. This informs the basic input/output system (BIOS) or Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI) that the partition or volume is a valid system partition or system volume Only partitions can be marked as active. Important DiskPart verifies only that the partition is capable of containing an operating system's startup files. DiskPart does not check the contents of the partition. If you mistakenly mark a partition as active and it does not contain the operating system's startup files, your computer might not start. I have no idea about the mechanics of active partitions (i.e., which bits get flipped to make a partition active) It may be what you have been discussing all along, but I thought I but this on the table. Seems to me that if you mark a partition as not active, the BIOS will not try to boot from it. Or not. Ignorance is my superpower RBM -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: DNF problems - maybe force ftp-http ?
On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 13:22 +0200, Martin Møller Skarbiniks Pedersen wrote: On 30 June 2015 at 13:20, Martin Møller Skarbiniks Pedersen traxpla...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 June 2015 at 13:57, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2015-06-29 at 13:12 +0200, Martin Møller Skarbiniks Pedersen wrote: I am having big problems install new software and upgrading my current F22 using DNF. Maybe I am wrong but I think that if I could force dnf to use http(s) instead of ftp, then my problems would be solved. AFAIK there is no guarantee that repos will even support HTTP(S). Kind of solved. dnf is still very very slow or not working but yum-deprecated works perfect. Try dnf clean all to make sure there's no crud left around. Mine was also very slow for a time but is now quite fast. Don't really know why. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies
On 06/30/15 20:19, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Not sure whether to report this against dnf or Nvidia. Don't know if the dnf folks care about it. But shouldn't the question be between dnf and akmods? -- Sorta what I want to say when folks habitually complain about Fedora - https://youtu.be/ZArl8fTfub4 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:19:47 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: So the problem is not with compilation, it's with dnf locking itself out. That's probably why yum runs the akmod compile in the background rather than waiting on it because when it waited on it, the database was locked :-). Sorry guys, I've been out of town for work and other $FAMILY and $DAYJOB issues so I'm going to take a look. There's a couple of open bugs with akmods but I'm not 100% sure that the fixes mentioned address this particular issue so any help investigating and reporting success/failure is appreciated. Thanks, Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies
On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 07:34 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: If you don't give it time to recompile the driver after the yum update and before a reboot, things can be in a confusing state and it won't recompile after the boot. (At least that is what I have observed). I always run top after a yum update and wait till all the compilation and rpm activity disappears before I type reboot. If you install akmod-nvidia again, it will probably update the driver at that time and you'll be back to normal. I'm using dnf (forgot to mention this is F22) but presumably the same applies. However I did let some time pass before rebooting, not because I was waiting for a recompilation but it just happened that way. I also tried removing and reinstalling akmod-nvidia and it made no difference. In any case I would have expected the update not to complete until the module had finished recompiling. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: SELinux is preventing sh from getattr access on the file /usr/sbin/ldconfig.
On 06/30/15 19:31, Daniel J Walsh wrote: On 06/29/2015 01:45 PM, Andras Simon wrote: [Sorry for the late answer, I was away from this machine.] 2015-06-28 1:01 GMT+02:00, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com: On 06/27/15 21:15, Andras Simon wrote: 2015-06-27 15:11 GMT+02:00, Andras Simon sza...@gmail.com: Should I be worried about the $subject? And there's also a SELinux is preventing sh from execute access on the file /usr/sbin/ldconfig which I've only just noticed. It sounds even scarier. Does your output match these? [egreshko@meimei ~]$ ls -Z /bin/bash system_u:object_r:shell_exec_t:s0 /bin/bash [egreshko@meimei ~]$ ls -Z /usr/sbin/ldconfig system_u:object_r:ldconfig_exec_t:s0 /usr/sbin/ldconfig Yes, I get the same result. Andras Everything seems correct. But the AVC's indicate that firewalld was attempting to runldconfig... Which I believe should not happen normally. The transactions at the time of yum/rpm indicate that the transaction or at least the post install sections were being run as firewalld_t. Should that be BZ's to against firewalld? -- Sorta what I want to say when folks habitually complain about Fedora - https://youtu.be/ZArl8fTfub4 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies
On 06/30/15 19:47, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 07:34 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: If you don't give it time to recompile the driver after the yum update and before a reboot, things can be in a confusing state and it won't recompile after the boot. (At least that is what I have observed). I always run top after a yum update and wait till all the compilation and rpm activity disappears before I type reboot. If you install akmod-nvidia again, it will probably update the driver at that time and you'll be back to normal. I'm using dnf (forgot to mention this is F22) but presumably the same applies. However I did let some time pass before rebooting, not because I was waiting for a recompilation but it just happened that way. I also tried removing and reinstalling akmod-nvidia and it made no difference. In any case I would have expected the update not to complete until the module had finished recompiling. I have been seeing the same thing you're seeing. I haven't tracked down the cause as of yet. However, after doing the dnf upgrade of the kernel check in /var/cache/akmod and check the log. You may see something like this [root@meimei akmods]# tail akmods.log 2015/06/28 18:25:41 akmods: Building and installing nvidia-304xx-kmod 2015/06/28 18:25:41 akmods: Building RPM using the command '/bin/akmodsbuild --target x86_64 --kernels 4.0.6-300.fc22.x86_64 /usr/src/akmods/nvidia-304xx-kmod.latest' 2015/06/28 18:26:00 akmods: Installing newly built rpms 2015/06/28 18:26:01 akmods: Could not install newly built RPMs. You can find them and the logfile 2015/06/28 18:26:01 akmods: 304.125-3.10-for-4.0.6-300.fc22.x86_64.failed.log in /var/cache/akmods/nvidia-304xx/ 2015/06/28 18:26:01 akmods: Hint: Some kmods were ignored or failed to build or install. 2015/06/28 18:26:01 akmods: You can try to rebuild and install them by by calling 2015/06/28 18:26:01 akmods: '/usr/sbin/akmods --force' as root. At this point you have 2 choices. Check the /var/cache/akmods/nvidia-driver directory to see if the rpm has actually been built or run the command as a user as shown in the log. In the case above it would be /bin/akmodsbuild --target x86_64 --kernels 4.0.6-300.fc22.x86_64 /usr/src/akmods/nvidia-304xx-kmod.latest and install the resulting rpm. -- Sorta what I want to say when folks habitually complain about Fedora - https://youtu.be/ZArl8fTfub4 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 12:47:24 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: In any case I would have expected the update not to complete until the module had finished recompiling. Yea, I expected that too up till I found I had no video after typing reboot right after the update :-). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:19:47 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: So the problem is not with compilation, it's with dnf locking itself out. That's probably why yum runs the akmod compile in the background rather than waiting on it because when it waited on it, the database was locked :-). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies
On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 07:37 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:19:47 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: So the problem is not with compilation, it's with dnf locking itself out. That's probably why yum runs the akmod compile in the background rather than waiting on it because when it waited on it, the database was locked :-). Sorry guys, I've been out of town for work and other $FAMILY and $DAYJOB issues so I'm going to take a look. There's a couple of open bugs with akmods but I'm not 100% sure that the fixes mentioned address this particular issue so any help investigating and reporting success/failure is appreciated. My only fix (really a workaround) was to run the process manually, when dnf wasn't locking it out. There's clearly a race of some kind with the normal installation process. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:48 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 20:35 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 06/30/15 20:19, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Not sure whether to report this against dnf or Nvidia. Don't know if the dnf folks care about it. But shouldn't the question be between dnf and akmods? Isn't akmod produced by Nvidia? Nope, it was written by one of the RPM Fusion founders Thorsten Leemhuis. Thanks, Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies
On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 08:04 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 12:47:24 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: In any case I would have expected the update not to complete until the module had finished recompiling. Yea, I expected that too up till I found I had no video after typing reboot right after the update :-). IOW you had the same problem I had. I would regard that as a bug rather than a feature :-) poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies
On 06/30/15 20:04, Ed Greshko wrote: I haven't tracked down the cause as of yet. Well the cause seems to be this Install 1 Package Total size: 3.7 M Installed size: 15 M Downloading Packages: Running transaction check Transaction check succeeded. Running transaction test Transaction test succeeded. Running transaction RPMDB already locked by 20262 The application with PID 20262 is: dnf Memory : 131 M RSS (699 MB VSZ) Started: Sun Jun 28 17:59:38 2015 - 26:23 ago State : Sleeping 2015/06/28 18:26:01 akmods: Could not install newly built RPMs. You can find them and the logfile 2015/06/28 18:26:01 akmods: 304.125-3.10-for-4.0.6-300.fc22.x86_64.failed.log in /var/cache/akmods/nvidia-304xx/ Just don't know the cure. :-) -- Sorta what I want to say when folks habitually complain about Fedora - https://youtu.be/ZArl8fTfub4 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies
On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 20:04 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 06/30/15 19:47, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 07:34 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: If you don't give it time to recompile the driver after the yum update and before a reboot, things can be in a confusing state and it won't recompile after the boot. (At least that is what I have observed). I always run top after a yum update and wait till all the compilation and rpm activity disappears before I type reboot. If you install akmod-nvidia again, it will probably update the driver at that time and you'll be back to normal. I'm using dnf (forgot to mention this is F22) but presumably the same applies. However I did let some time pass before rebooting, not because I was waiting for a recompilation but it just happened that way. I also tried removing and reinstalling akmod-nvidia and it made no difference. In any case I would have expected the update not to complete until the module had finished recompiling. I have been seeing the same thing you're seeing. I haven't tracked down the cause as of yet. However, after doing the dnf upgrade of the kernel check in /var/cache/akmod and check the log. You may see something like this [root@meimei akmods]# tail akmods.log 2015/06/28 18:25:41 akmods: Building and installing nvidia-304xx-kmod 2015/06/28 18:25:41 akmods: Building RPM using the command '/bin/akmodsbuild --target x86_64 --kernels 4.0.6-300.fc22.x86_64 /usr/src/akmods/nvidia-304xx-kmod.latest' 2015/06/28 18:26:00 akmods: Installing newly built rpms 2015/06/28 18:26:01 akmods: Could not install newly built RPMs. You can find them and the logfile 2015/06/28 18:26:01 akmods: 304.125-3.10-for-4.0.6 -300.fc22.x86_64.failed.log in /var/cache/akmods/nvidia-304xx/ 2015/06/28 18:26:01 akmods: Hint: Some kmods were ignored or failed to build or install. 2015/06/28 18:26:01 akmods: You can try to rebuild and install them by by calling 2015/06/28 18:26:01 akmods: '/usr/sbin/akmods --force' as root. At this point you have 2 choices. Check the /var/cache/akmods/nvidia -driver directory to see if the rpm has actually been built or run the command as a user as shown in the log. In the case above it would be /bin/akmodsbuild --target x86_64 --kernels 4.0.6-300.fc22.x86_64 /usr/src/akmods/nvidia-304xx-kmod.latest and install the resulting rpm. This is what I find in the log: Running transaction RPMDB already locked by 22298 The application with PID 22298 is: dnf Memory : 124 M RSS (686 MB VSZ) Started: Tue Jun 30 09:57:29 2015 - 03:30 ago State : Sleeping 2015/06/30 10:00:59 akmods: Could not install newly built RPMs. You can find them and the logfile 2015/06/30 10:00:59 akmods: 346.72-2.1-for-4.0.6-300.fc22.x86_64.failed.log in /var/cache/akmods/nvidia/ So the problem is not with compilation, it's with dnf locking itself out. Running '/usr/sbin/akmods --force' solved it. Not sure whether to report this against dnf or Nvidia. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies
On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 20:35 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 06/30/15 20:19, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Not sure whether to report this against dnf or Nvidia. Don't know if the dnf folks care about it. But shouldn't the question be between dnf and akmods? Isn't akmod produced by Nvidia? poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 07:37:59 -0500 Richard Shaw wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:19:47 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: So the problem is not with compilation, it's with dnf locking itself out. That's probably why yum runs the akmod compile in the background rather than waiting on it because when it waited on it, the database was locked :-). Sorry guys, I've been out of town for work and other $FAMILY and $DAYJOB issues so I'm going to take a look. There's a couple of open bugs with akmods but I'm not 100% sure that the fixes mentioned address this particular issue so any help investigating and reporting success/failure is appreciated. Here's a clue. I just booted my f22 partition and ran dnf update, which did update the kernel and caused akmods to build a new nvidia driver. It worked fine for me, it installed the nvidia driver with no problem, so perhaps it is a timing issue and depends on how long various update activities take. There is also stoopid packagekitd which seems to run at the most inconvenient possible time to interfere with manual updates. I noticed it started showing up in top right after I did the dnf update. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Toshiba support in the kernel.
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 21:33:01 -0600 Isaac Cortés González w.isaac.cor...@gmail.com wrote: So, as I'm not a hardcore developer or coder, I was wondering: Is the new support that it's dropped in the kernel for the Toshiba laptops build by default or I'd have to compile by myself from scratch? I don't use a toshiba, but I compile custom kernels, and the default configuration for the Fedora kernel in the latest version from koji, 4.2, has the following toshiba options set. Are these the options you are talking about? CONFIG_YENTA_TOSHIBA=y CONFIG_PATA_TOSHIBA=m CONFIG_MMC_TOSHIBA_PCI=m Thanks for raising the question. I'll be getting rid of them on my next iteration, since they're just wasted bits for me. :-) That's the hard part of compiling a custom kernel; eliminating all the irrelevant modules and functionality. I've looked, and there doesn't seem to be a program that scans the system, and only turns on hardware modules for the system scanned. I'm surprised, actually. And I'm thinking of hacking together something in python that uses lspci and lsmod and /proc to turn off all the drivers I don't need in the .config file. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: How do you store a Live Feed from a guitar
On 06/30/2015 08:42 PM, Gregory P. Ennis wrote: Everyone, I finally have enough time to play with my computer and guitar at the same time. Does anyone have a method of storing a live feed from a guitar. I have a guitar with an acoustic pickup that I normally use with a regular amplifier. I now have a usb audio cable from Alesis LineLink that I can use to connect my Fedora 22 machine to the acoustic pick up of the guitar. I connected the usb audio cable to the computer and to my guitar, but was not able to get any software that that was on my F22 machine to recognize the the live feed. Have any of you used this kind of equipment or other kinds of equipment to store a live feed from a guitar acoustic pickup. I would like to be able to play and store a song or two and then experiment with mixing the sounds. Any suggestions Greg Ennis I have seen ads for a setup that will record vinyl records from a turntable onto a PC thru a gizmo plugged into the USB port. If you were to find any of the software that works with this, it may work with your guitar also. You might need some sort of preamp between the guitar and the usb device, but if it wants to work, you should hear _something_. --doug -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Awk and sort (of text files)
On 30Jun2015 21:02, michael hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote: On Tue, 30 Jun 2015, jd1008 wrote: Personally I tend to use a nontexty character for this kind of placeholder, such as ^G. Less risk of excountering that in the input text, and therefore less risk of accidentally mangling it. Eliminate risk. Replace all strings of e's with another string of e's, one e longer. Replace the intra-paragraph newlines with one e each. Sort. Undo the previous replacements. If, for some reason, one does not like e, use a vertical stroke. Hmm. Nifty. Cheers, Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au skeptic wrote: Why are we exploring space? To be sure, the scientific returns from these missions are very interesting, but what are they really good for? [...] The best answer was the one Leon Lederman (director of Fermilab) gave to Phil Donahue when Donahue badgered him with What does it do for the defense of the country? Leaving aside the absurdity of Donahue playing the hawk, Lederman stood up on a chair and shouted him down, then replied, It helps make it worth defending. - Doug Jones ran...@eau.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: rngd read error
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 01:11:27 +0200 Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net wrote: Thanks very much. This gave me the info Error reading from TPM, no entropy gathered It seems that my Thinkpad T510 has a TPM chip, which I probably could turn on in some way. However, for the moment I've just run sudo systemctl disable rngd Thanks for reporting this. I had no idea it was happening. I'm using audio-entropyd to augment rngd, and it still is working, so I'm not cryptographically compromised. This is serious, because it's like leaving the door unlocked on your house, when every other house on the block has been burgled. I've been thinking about purchasing a usb entropy generator, perhaps this is the spur to actually do so. I think they feed directly into the entropy pool like audio-entropyd, bypassing rngd, but I'm not sure. There are lots of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_hardware_random_number_generators I like this pure digital model, anyone have experience with it? http://kidekin.nimp.co.uk/trng/kidekin_trng_user_manual.html They all seem pretty pricey, except for http://kidekin.nimp.co.uk/trng/kidekin_trng_user_manual.html These can be purchased on Ebay for less than $10. They don't seem as robust to me. Has anyone used this as an RNG solution? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: gnome3 and gdm in f22
On 06/30/2015 11:05 AM, Joachim Backes wrote: having the following problem in F22/gdm with my ATI-Radeon video card 5400: If logging out from a gnome3 session, it takes a very long time until the login screen of gdm re-appears (10-20 secs). Some times I have to restart my box because the screen remains dark after logging out (the screen reports: no signal). Sometimes it helps to click on the screen for getting back the login screen. But: if running mate for example as desktop environment, the gdm screen re-appears immediately after having logged out. Any recipe? Kind regards I have a radeon card I run Mate Fedora 22 X86_64. I also changed from gdm to lightdm long ago, just because of issues... http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/session LightDM Install it from your distro repository. LightDM https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LightDM should autodetect Mate Desktop. -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux User #367800 and new counter #561587 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies
On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 09:30 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 06/30/15 22:21, Richard Shaw wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:50 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com mailto:pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: My only fix (really a workaround) was to run the process manually, when dnf wasn't locking it out. There's clearly a race of some kind with the normal installation process. What's interesting here is that the shutdown service or start service should catch this, UNLESS, it doesn't catch the situation where the compilation completes but the install does not... Do you have both/either services enabled? I'm not familiar with a shutdown or start service. [root@acer ~]# systemctl status shutdown ● shutdown.service Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory) Active: inactive (dead) [root@acer ~]# systemctl status start ● start.service Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory) Active: inactive (dead FWIW, I see the failure to install the akmod built rpms on 2 systems 100% of the time since upgrading to F22. Sorry, I should have been more specific, the services are called akmods and akmods-shutdown. Enabling either one should help... The shutdown one if dnf releases the lock before you shutdown or the bootup one in case that one fails. $ systemctl status akmods ● akmods.service - Builds and install new kmods from akmod packages Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/akmods.service; enabled) Active: active (exited) since Sun 2015-06-14 11:20:19 CDT; 2 weeks 1 days ago Main PID: 852 (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) CGroup: /system.slice/akmods.service $ systemctl status akmods-shutdown ● akmods-shutdown.service - Builds and install new kmods from akmod packages Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/akmods-shutdown.service; enabled) Active: active (exited) since Sun 2015-06-14 11:20:08 CDT; 2 weeks 1 days ago Main PID: 876 (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) CGroup: /system.slice/akmods-shutdown.service I have both of those running as shown. To be clear: The dnf lock is detected after the akmod compile, during the rpm install phase. I don't see how that is related to system shutdown or startup. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Toshiba support in the kernel.
On 30.06.2015, stan wrote: That's the hard part of compiling a custom kernel; eliminating all the irrelevant modules and functionality. I've looked, and there doesn't seem to be a program that scans the system, and only turns on hardware modules for the system scanned. make localmodconfig is what you're after. Be aware that localmodconfig does exactly what you want. So if you e.g. don't have connected a device containing an ext4 filesystem at the moment you issue the command, ext4 support won't be in your new kernel. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: rngd read error
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 07:14:09 -0700 stan stanl-fedorau...@vfemail.net wrote: They all seem pretty pricey, except for http://kidekin.nimp.co.uk/trng/kidekin_trng_user_manual.html These can be purchased on Ebay for less than $10. They don't seem as robust to me. Has anyone used this as an RNG solution? Messed up. This link should be http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:50 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: My only fix (really a workaround) was to run the process manually, when dnf wasn't locking it out. There's clearly a race of some kind with the normal installation process. What's interesting here is that the shutdown service or start service should catch this, UNLESS, it doesn't catch the situation where the compilation completes but the install does not... Do you have both/either services enabled? Thanks, Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: need grub experts
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 22:29:40 +0200
François Patte francois.pa...@mi.parisdescartes.fr wrote:
I cannot get a correct resolution for grub. Here is
my /etc/defaul/grub:
GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=$(sed 's, release .*$,,g' /etc/system-release)
GRUB_DEFAULT=0
#GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT=true
GRUB_DISABLE_SUBMENU=true
GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT=gfxterm
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=rd.md.uuid=81f15cb5:748fb5c1:42bef1a6:1ea1ce47
rd.lvm.lv=fedora/usr rd.md.uuid=4a28174a:f38b4938:233f85f7:6ce585a8
rd.lvm.lv=fedora/racine rd.md.uuid=9f878179:a58f5c78:f645e22e:d7d3c896
rd.lvm.lv=systeme/swap rhgb quiet
GRUB_DISABLE_RECOVERY=true
GRUB_GFXMODE=1280x1024x32
GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep
GRUB_BACKGROUND=/boot/grub2/themes/system/fireworks.png
#GRUB_THEME=/boot/grub2/themes/system/theme.txt
export GRUB_COLOR_NORMAL=light-gray/black
export GRUB_COLOR_HIGHLIGHT=magenta/black
GRUB_FONT=/boot/grub2/unicode.pf2
-
So, as far as I read the grub doc, because of
GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep
It is suppose to apply the 1280x1024 resolution to the console during
the boot. But it is not the case! I get this resolution only with the
grub first screen: fireworks image and the entry list.
What is missing in my config?
Strangely, I have a custom file: /etc/grub.d/40_custom, to boot a
debian install:
---
menuentry 'Debian GNU/Linux, avec Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64' --class
debian --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os {
load_video
set gfxpayload=keep
insmod gzio
insmod mdraid09
insmod part_msdos
insmod part_msdos
insmod ext2
set root='(mduuid/eb8b5efe5a8f9369e940a0f383d63ad1)'
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root
17e0b155-4d77-4769-b568-723329c5f656
echo'Chargement de Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 ...'
linux /vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64
root=/dev/mapper/debian-deb--racine ro quiet
echo'Chargement du disque mémoire initial ...'
initrd /initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64
}
-
In that case, the set gfxpayload=keep instruction succeeds to give
the correct resolution during the debian boot.
Thanks for any help and suggestion.
It works for me without any of that in /etc/grub/default, though I used
to have it there.
$ cat /etc/default/grub
GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=$(sed 's, release .*$,,g' /etc/system-release)
GRUB_DEFAULT=saved
#GRUB_DISABLE_SUBMENU=true
GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT=console
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 LANG=en_US.UTF-8 KEYTABLE=uneaf
CONSOLEBLANK=60
Here is a boot stanza from my /boot/grub2/grub.cfg, generated with
grub2-mkconfig -o grub.cfg
Looks a lot like the Debian stanza that works.
### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/10_linux ###
menuentry 'Fedora' --class fedora --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os
--unrestricted $menuentry_id_option
'gnulinux-simple-f908bebb-66db-48db-a429-fe716bf67592' {
load_video
set gfxpayload=keep
insmod gzio
insmod part_gpt
insmod ext2
set root='hd0,gpt1'
if [ x$feature_platform_search_hint = xy ]; then
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root --hint-bios=hd0,gpt1
--hint-efi=hd0,gpt1 --hint-baremetal=ahci0,gpt1 --hint='hd0,gpt1'
d56ad7bb-4913-45b7-a56e-562e6275b995
else
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root
d56ad7bb-4913-45b7-a56e-562e6275b995
fi
linux16 /vmlinuz-4.2.0-0.rc0.git1.1.20150627.fc21.x86_64
root=UUID=f908bebb-66db-48db-a429-fe716bf67592 ro SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16
LANG=en_US.UTF-8 KEYTABLE=uneaf CONSOLEBLANK=60
initrd16 /custom-4.2.0-0.rc0.git1.1.20150627.fc21.x86_64.img
}
Incidentally, though the consoleblank=60 is supposed to set the timeout
on virtual consoles to 60 minutes, it doesn't work. I still have to
set it manually after logging in.
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Re: gnome3 and gdm in f22
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: If that solves the problem then it's likely related to gdm on Wayland and you can search for a bug to me too, or file a new one. Actually best to file a new one because these problems all seem to be GPU specific. So include all the info on the hardware you can and of course journalctl -b output. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 06/30/15 22:21, Richard Shaw wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:50 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com mailto:pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: My only fix (really a workaround) was to run the process manually, when dnf wasn't locking it out. There's clearly a race of some kind with the normal installation process. What's interesting here is that the shutdown service or start service should catch this, UNLESS, it doesn't catch the situation where the compilation completes but the install does not... Do you have both/either services enabled? I'm not familiar with a shutdown or start service. [root@acer ~]# systemctl status shutdown ● shutdown.service Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory) Active: inactive (dead) [root@acer ~]# systemctl status start ● start.service Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory) Active: inactive (dead FWIW, I see the failure to install the akmod built rpms on 2 systems 100% of the time since upgrading to F22. Sorry, I should have been more specific, the services are called akmods and akmods-shutdown. Enabling either one should help... The shutdown one if dnf releases the lock before you shutdown or the bootup one in case that one fails. $ systemctl status akmods ● akmods.service - Builds and install new kmods from akmod packages Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/akmods.service; enabled) Active: active (exited) since Sun 2015-06-14 11:20:19 CDT; 2 weeks 1 days ago Main PID: 852 (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) CGroup: /system.slice/akmods.service $ systemctl status akmods-shutdown ● akmods-shutdown.service - Builds and install new kmods from akmod packages Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/akmods-shutdown.service; enabled) Active: active (exited) since Sun 2015-06-14 11:20:08 CDT; 2 weeks 1 days ago Main PID: 876 (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) CGroup: /system.slice/akmods-shutdown.service Thanks, Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
gnome3 and gdm in f22
Hi all F22 users, having the following problem in F22/gdm with my ATI-Radeon video card 5400: If logging out from a gnome3 session, it takes a very long time until the login screen of gdm re-appears (10-20 secs). Some times I have to restart my box because the screen remains dark after logging out (the screen reports: no signal). Sometimes it helps to click on the screen for getting back the login screen. But: if running mate for example as desktop environment, the gdm screen re-appears immediately after having logged out. Any recipe? Kind regards Joachim Backes Fedora release 22 (Twenty Two) Kernel-4.0.7-300.fc22.x86_64 Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de https://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox scrollbar problem
On 30 June 2015 at 16:28, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: For me, Firefox does not respect the theme I have selected in xfce. It seems to be using some built-in theme (probably from Gnome) which is pretty much unusable on mouse-less systems. In F22? IIUC (I don't use xfce myself) the xfce theme settings can change the theme for GTK2 apps, but FF is GTK3 based in F22... -- Ahmad Samir -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox scrollbar problem
On 30 June 2015 at 17:42, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 06/30/2015 05:23 PM, Ahmad Samir wrote: On 30 June 2015 at 16:28, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: For me, Firefox does not respect the theme I have selected in xfce. It seems to be using some built-in theme (probably from Gnome) which is pretty much unusable on mouse-less systems. In F22? Yes, this is on F22. I am using xfce with a theme with arrow-buttons at the end of scrollbars, but firefox and other Gnome3 stuff seems to insist on arrow-less scrollbars and ignores the theme. GTK3 theme selection isn't affected by the GTK2 theme selection; does the theme you're using have a GTK3 variant? if it does edit ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini: [Settings] gtk-theme-name=Adwaita Adwaita is the default GTK3 theme. -- Ahmad Samir -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Toshiba support in the kernel.
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 16:24:56 +0200 Heinz Diehl htd...@fritha.org wrote: On 30.06.2015, stan wrote: That's the hard part of compiling a custom kernel; eliminating all the irrelevant modules and functionality. I've looked, and there doesn't seem to be a program that scans the system, and only turns on hardware modules for the system scanned. make localmodconfig is what you're after. Be aware that localmodconfig does exactly what you want. So if you e.g. don't have connected a device containing an ext4 filesystem at the moment you issue the command, ext4 support won't be in your new kernel. Whoa! Thank you! This could be a game changer. Yeah, it's a little risky, but my system is very stable, and I only compile kernels when everything is attached and running smoothly. I'm surprised this wasn't mentioned in the build instructions at kernel.org. Or maybe I just missed it. Now I've got to rush off and compile a new kernel. :-) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: I have both of those running as shown. To be clear: The dnf lock is detected after the akmod compile, during the rpm install phase. I don't see how that is related to system shutdown or startup. It's not directly. Basically it gives you two more opportunities to build and install the driver. The one at system startup should always work if it's just a dnf/rpmdb lock issue. Thanks, Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox scrollbar problem
On 06/27/2015 02:01 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Ralf Corsepius writes: On 06/26/2015 07:22 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: I don't know about a workaround, but it's probably worth noting that (unless I'm confused) Firefox in F22 has been ported to GTK3, and Thunderbird has not. Does this also explain, why Firefox scrollbars don't anymore with xfce? I use the xfce desktop. Aside from the obnoxious left/right mouse button swap behavior with GTK scrollbars, works for me. For me, Firefox does not respect the theme I have selected in xfce. It seems to be using some built-in theme (probably from Gnome) which is pretty much unusable on mouse-less systems. Ralf -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox scrollbar problem
On 06/30/2015 05:23 PM, Ahmad Samir wrote: On 30 June 2015 at 16:28, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: For me, Firefox does not respect the theme I have selected in xfce. It seems to be using some built-in theme (probably from Gnome) which is pretty much unusable on mouse-less systems. In F22? Yes, this is on F22. I am using xfce with a theme with arrow-buttons at the end of scrollbars, but firefox and other Gnome3 stuff seems to insist on arrow-less scrollbars and ignores the theme. Ralf -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies
On 06/30/15 22:21, Richard Shaw wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:50 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com mailto:pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: My only fix (really a workaround) was to run the process manually, when dnf wasn't locking it out. There's clearly a race of some kind with the normal installation process. What's interesting here is that the shutdown service or start service should catch this, UNLESS, it doesn't catch the situation where the compilation completes but the install does not... Do you have both/either services enabled? I'm not familiar with a shutdown or start service. [root@acer ~]# systemctl status shutdown ● shutdown.service Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory) Active: inactive (dead) [root@acer ~]# systemctl status start ● start.service Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory) Active: inactive (dead FWIW, I see the failure to install the akmod built rpms on 2 systems 100% of the time since upgrading to F22. -- Sorta what I want to say when folks habitually complain about Fedora - https://youtu.be/ZArl8fTfub4 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies
On 06/30/15 22:30, Richard Shaw wrote: Sorry, I should have been more specific, the services are called akmods and akmods-shutdown. Enabling either one should help... The shutdown one if dnf releases the lock before you shutdown or the bootup one in case that one fails. $ systemctl status akmods ● akmods.service - Builds and install new kmods from akmod packages Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/akmods.service; enabled) Active: active (exited) since Sun 2015-06-14 11:20:19 CDT; 2 weeks 1 days ago Main PID: 852 (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) CGroup: /system.slice/akmods.service $ systemctl status akmods-shutdown ● akmods-shutdown.service - Builds and install new kmods from akmod packages Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/akmods-shutdown.service; enabled) Active: active (exited) since Sun 2015-06-14 11:20:08 CDT; 2 weeks 1 days ago Main PID: 876 (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) CGroup: /system.slice/akmods-shutdown.service I see Well, first I must admit that on both of my systems I notice the failure before I reboot and I correct the issue. So, I don't know if having those enabled will fix the issue. But just for completeness... [root@acer ~]# systemctl status akmods ● akmods.service - Builds and install new kmods from akmod packages Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/akmods.service; enabled; vendor preset: disabled) Active: active (exited) since Tue 2015-06-30 09:08:56 CST; 13h ago Process: 754 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/akmods --from-init (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Main PID: 754 (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) CGroup: /system.slice/akmods.service Jun 30 09:08:46 acer.greshko.com systemd[1]: Starting Builds and install new Jun 30 09:08:56 acer.greshko.com akmods[754]: Checking kmods exist for 4.0.6...] Jun 30 09:08:56 acer.greshko.com systemd[1]: Started Builds and install new [root@acer ~]# systemctl status akmods-shutdown ● akmods-shutdown.service - Builds and install new kmods from akmod packages Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/akmods-shutdown.service; enabled; vendor preset: disabled) Active: active (exited) since Tue 2015-06-30 09:08:47 CST; 14h ago Process: 774 ExecStart=/bin/true (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Main PID: 774 (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) CGroup: /system.slice/akmods-shutdown.service Jun 30 09:08:46 acer.greshko.com systemd[1]: Starting Builds and install new Jun 30 09:08:47 acer.greshko.com systemd[1]: Started Builds and install new I gather I should test at the next kernel update if this does fix the issue. -- Sorta what I want to say when folks habitually complain about Fedora - https://youtu.be/ZArl8fTfub4 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: gnome3 and gdm in f22
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de wrote: Hi all F22 users, having the following problem in F22/gdm with my ATI-Radeon video card 5400: If logging out from a gnome3 session, it takes a very long time until the login screen of gdm re-appears (10-20 secs). Some times I have to restart my box because the screen remains dark after logging out (the screen reports: no signal). Sometimes it helps to click on the screen for getting back the login screen. But: if running mate for example as desktop environment, the gdm screen re-appears immediately after having logged out. Any recipe? I have the same problem. It could be related to gdm on Wayland. Try editing /etc/gdm/custom.conf such that you uncomment the line WaylandEnable=false If that solves the problem then it's likely related to gdm on Wayland and you can search for a bug to me too, or file a new one. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Color aliasing. Was Re: Awk and sort (of text files)
On 06/30/2015 01:36 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: In fact, if you do the second, the first one should not be required. I suggested this in my earlier post. Did you try? I started out by saying that I'd added alias ls=ls to .bashrc, which is the same thing as what you're suggesting. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Awk and sort (of text files)
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015, jd1008 wrote:
[snip]
Here is the simplest solution and it does what I want without resorting to
awk:
for i in `/bin/ls -1 lists*`; do
sed '/./{H;d;};x;s/\n/={NL}=/g' $i | sort | sed '1s/={NL}=//;s/={NL}=/\n/g'
$i.sorted.txt
done
I bow before a Master.
So, I'm trying to parse this...
I don't know what NL does. From my reading I see the N command adds the current line to the pattern space
with a newline character. I can't figure out what the L does, though, or if NL is a different command than
N followed by L
billo
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Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies
On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 07:56 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:48 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 20:35 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 06/30/15 20:19, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Not sure whether to report this against dnf or Nvidia. Don't know if the dnf folks care about it. But shouldn't the question be between dnf and akmods? Isn't akmod produced by Nvidia? Nope, it was written by one of the RPM Fusion founders Thorsten Leemhuis. OK. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Toshiba support in the kernel.
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:20:36 -0600 Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: Does localmodconfig set drivers to n such that they aren't even compiled? Or are they m such that they are modules that are only loaded on demand? I'm going to guess the answer is n, the point of which is it saves a ton of compile time, not so much creating a lean kernel (as anything not needed wouldn't be loaded anyway). Correct? The new kernel compiled with localmodconfig is running just fine. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Toshiba support in the kernel.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Heinz Diehl htd...@fritha.org wrote: On 30.06.2015, stan wrote: That's the hard part of compiling a custom kernel; eliminating all the irrelevant modules and functionality. I've looked, and there doesn't seem to be a program that scans the system, and only turns on hardware modules for the system scanned. make localmodconfig is what you're after. Be aware that localmodconfig does exactly what you want. So if you e.g. don't have connected a device containing an ext4 filesystem at the moment you issue the command, ext4 support won't be in your new kernel. Does localmodconfig set drivers to n such that they aren't even compiled? Or are they m such that they are modules that are only loaded on demand? I'm going to guess the answer is n, the point of which is it saves a ton of compile time, not so much creating a lean kernel (as anything not needed wouldn't be loaded anyway). Correct? -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox scrollbar problem
On 06/30/2015 05:48 PM, Ahmad Samir wrote: On 30 June 2015 at 17:42, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 06/30/2015 05:23 PM, Ahmad Samir wrote: On 30 June 2015 at 16:28, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: For me, Firefox does not respect the theme I have selected in xfce. It seems to be using some built-in theme (probably from Gnome) which is pretty much unusable on mouse-less systems. In F22? Yes, this is on F22. I am using xfce with a theme with arrow-buttons at the end of scrollbars, but firefox and other Gnome3 stuff seems to insist on arrow-less scrollbars and ignores the theme. GTK3 theme selection isn't affected by the GTK2 theme selection; does the theme you're using have a GTK3 variant? if it does edit ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini: [Settings] gtk-theme-name=Adwaita Adwaita is the default GTK3 theme. I am using ClearLooks, AdWaita lacks the arrows and therefore is unusable crap (Like much of Gnoem3) Ralf -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies
On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 11:18 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: I have both of those running as shown. To be clear: The dnf lock is detected after the akmod compile, during the rpm install phase. I don't see how that is related to system shutdown or startup. It's not directly. Basically it gives you two more opportunities to build and install the driver. The one at system startup should always work if it's just a dnf/rpmdb lock issue. I see. In that case, it didn't work. I do have the services you mentioned and the problem still arose, unless of course the problem was a lock file being left around when it should have been removed. That would imply a problem with the ordering of events at shutdown or startup. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Toshiba support in the kernel.
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:20:36 -0600 Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Heinz Diehl htd...@fritha.org wrote: On 30.06.2015, stan wrote: That's the hard part of compiling a custom kernel; eliminating all the irrelevant modules and functionality. I've looked, and there doesn't seem to be a program that scans the system, and only turns on hardware modules for the system scanned. make localmodconfig is what you're after. Be aware that localmodconfig does exactly what you want. So if you e.g. don't have connected a device containing an ext4 filesystem at the moment you issue the command, ext4 support won't be in your new kernel. Does localmodconfig set drivers to n such that they aren't even compiled? Or are they m such that they are modules that are only loaded on demand? I'm going to guess the answer is n, the point of which is it saves a ton of compile time, not so much creating a lean kernel (as anything not needed wouldn't be loaded anyway). Correct? I just compiled a kernel using localmodconfig, and you are exactly right. It set all the modules I didn't need to n, and the kernel compiled a lot more quickly than usual. The size of the kernel was just slightly smaller than previously. It used the configuration of the running kernel as a starting point, so I didn't lose all the other customization I had implemented over the iterations. I'm just about to boot into the new kernel, so the proof of the pudding will soon be apparent. If it boots, as it should, I'll be pleased with this way of building kernels. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Toshiba support in the kernel.
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:20:36 -0600 Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: Does localmodconfig set drivers to n such that they aren't even compiled? Or are they m such that they are modules that are only loaded on demand? I'm going to guess the answer is n, the point of which is it saves a ton of compile time, not so much creating a lean kernel (as anything not needed wouldn't be loaded anyway). Correct? The other thing I noticed that was different from my former compiles, is that this one didn't generate a new perf or python-perf. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
After installing Fedora Workstation ...
During install, Anaconda let's you select one desktop from the left column, and then select the groups of packages from the right column. Fine. Now that fedora is up and running, how does one add a group of packages ala the groupings presented by anaconda? Where is the list of such group names documented, what packages they contain, and how to install them. Thanx!!! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Toshiba support in the kernel.
Just as an FYI for those who may not know this, but the Fedora Project has build servers almost constantly building new kernels. You can go to koji.fedoraproject.org and type in kernel in the package field. Or go to URL http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=8 For example today's built kernels already are: kernel-4.0.7-300.fc22 kernel-4.0.7-200.fc21 And for the bleeding edgers, yesterday's build was: kernel-4.2.0-0.rc0.git2.1.fc23 For the uninitiated, be aware the git kernels often have kernel debugging enabled and will run slower. Typically the first (U.S.) work day after a kernel release, there will be non-debug and debug kernels listed; but when a debug kernel is not listed that means all of those builds are debug kernels. So it's possible to completely avoid building kernels if you don't have special customizations you need done, and yet get very recent kernel versions. Chris Murphy -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
software: how does it really work?
Hi, I'm on Fedora 22 default gnome desktop. I've got a few questions about software 1) how does it integrate with dnf? for instance if I do dnf history I do not see any of the transactions done with the software app. 2) do software and dnf have the same source? there are packages available only via dnf. 3) when I check for updates software most of the times says up to date - nothing to do - checked at XX:YY (maybe 2 minutes ago) Then I force it to check and often it finds something to update. Once it is a coincidence, but is it possible that so often updates are published just in the few minutes between the automatic and manual check? Andrea -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: After installing Fedora Workstation ...
On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 14:51 -0600, jd1008 wrote: During install, Anaconda let's you select one desktop from the left column, and then select the groups of packages from the right column. Fine. Now that fedora is up and running, how does one add a group of packages ala the groupings presented by anaconda? Where is the list of such group names documented, what packages they contain, and how to install them. man dnf (hint: dnf grouplist, dnf [-v] group info group-name) poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Thunderbird lightning question
On 06/30/15 14:30, Joachim Backes wrote: anybody knows how to change the thunderbird ligntning time format from AM/PM presentation to the 24h presentation? T-Bird, and T-Bird-lightning (now now longer an extension) have always followed the settings of my locale. I use KDE and force my LC_TIME=C (due to changes in KDE) and everything is always 24hr format. -- Sorta what I want to say when folks habitually complain about Fedora - https://youtu.be/ZArl8fTfub4 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Color aliasing. Was Re: Awk and sort (of text files)
On 06/29/2015 11:37 PM, Ahmad Samir wrote: If you edit /etc/profile.d/colorls.sh then update coreutils your edits won't get replaced... That may be true, but the whole point is, I don't want ls to use colors. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Thunderbird lightning question
Oh, I forgot to mention If you use KDE there is currently a bug in system settings. If you set the individually set the locale for Time formats to C in the GUI it will actually set it LC_TIME=C.utf-8 or something like that which is non-existent and lead to several issues. You need to set it in your .bashrc to get things right. -- Sorta what I want to say when folks habitually complain about Fedora - https://youtu.be/ZArl8fTfub4 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Color aliasing. Was Re: Awk and sort (of text files)
On 06/29/2015 08:50 PM, Ahmad Samir wrote: which means that if you edit /etc/profile.d/colorls.sh your changes will be preserved even after updating the coreutils package (the /etc/profile.d/colorls.sh file from the new package will be installed with an .rpmnew extension). Yes, but the script that sets the alias does get replaced, even if I've edited it to comment out that particular line. I have no problem with the colors being set, I just don't like having it use those colors by default. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
DNF problems. (George R Goffe)
Thanks to whomever hinted groupinstall. It's working great. This option is NOT listed in the man page. Sigh. FWIW, I'll file a bug report for this. I wonder what else is missing... Anyway, THANKS for your help! George... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: DNF problems. (George R Goffe)
On 06/30/15 14:02, George R Goffe wrote: Thanks to whomever hinted groupinstall. It's working great. This option is NOT listed in the man page. Sigh. I responded to your post. And the key isn't groupinstall. You could have typed group install The key was with-optional and that is in the man page. dnf [options] group install [with-optional] group-spec... Mark the specified group installed and install packages it con‐ tains. Also include optional packages of the group if with-optional is specified. It just so happens that all the packages in the editors group are tagged optional. FWIW, I'll file a bug report for this. I wonder what else is missing... Not needed. -- Sorta what I want to say when folks habitually complain about Fedora - https://youtu.be/ZArl8fTfub4 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Thunderbird lightning question
On 30 June 2015 at 08:30, Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de wrote: Hi all, anybody knows how to change the thunderbird ligntning time format from AM/PM presentation to the 24h presentation? That depends on the locale settings. If you're using GNOME, open the gnome-control-center - Region language, change the Formats to United Kingdom (English) which will set LC_TIME to en_GB.utf8 among other locale settings. http://kb.mozillazine.org/Date_display_format#Configuring_the_date.2Ftime_system_settings_on_your_computer -- Ahmad Samir -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Thunderbird lightning question
Hi all, anybody knows how to change the thunderbird ligntning time format from AM/PM presentation to the 24h presentation? Thanks in advance Joachim Backes -- Fedora release 22 (Twenty Two) Kernel-4.0.7-300.fc22.x86_64 Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de https://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Color aliasing. Was Re: Awk and sort (of text files)
On 30 June 2015 at 08:05, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 06/29/2015 08:50 PM, Ahmad Samir wrote: which means that if you edit /etc/profile.d/colorls.sh your changes will be preserved even after updating the coreutils package (the /etc/profile.d/colorls.sh file from the new package will be installed with an .rpmnew extension). Yes, but the script that sets the alias does get replaced, even if I've edited it to comment out that particular line. I have no problem with the colors being set, I just don't like having it use those colors by default. If you edit /etc/profile.d/colorls.sh then update coreutils your edits won't get replaced... -- Ahmad Samir -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
akmod Nvidia dependencies
I just updated the kernel to kernel-4.0.6-300.fc22.x86_64 and rebooted. The system came up in VGA mode, presumably because kmod-nvidia had not recompiled. Is there a way to force this, or do I have to wait for an update to akmod-nvidia? For the moment I removed akmod-nvidia and rebooted with Nouveau. This seems rather inelegant. I thought the akmod thing was supposed to take care of these dependencies, or am I missing something? poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: DNF problems - maybe force ftp-http ?
On 29 June 2015 at 13:57, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2015-06-29 at 13:12 +0200, Martin Møller Skarbiniks Pedersen wrote: I am having big problems install new software and upgrading my current F22 using DNF. Maybe I am wrong but I think that if I could force dnf to use http(s) instead of ftp, then my problems would be solved. AFAIK there is no guarantee that repos will even support HTTP(S). Hmm. Has that always been the case. I think our firewall only supports passive ftp. Check your version of librepo. If it's less than 1.17.6 then update it before trying anything else. I also had frequent timeout problems with dnf before this was fixed. Thanks for that advise. However it looks like I already have version 1.17.6 of librepo $ rpm -qi librepo | grep Version Version : 1.7.16 Is something changed from F21 (yum) to F22 (dnf) ? Everything was working great in F21 and now dnf is very slow. dnf install tmux took more than 5 minutes and a simple dnf update takes up to one hour! # dnf -v -y install tmux cachedir: /var/cache/dnf/x86_64/22 Loaded plugins: protected_packages, download, needs-restarting, copr, playground, builddep, langpacks, kickstart, debuginfo-install, migrate, config-manager, reposync, generate_completion_cache, noroot, Query initialized Langpacks plugin DNF version: 1.0.1 repo: using cache for: fedora not found deltainfo for: Fedora 22 - x86_64 not found updateinfo for: Fedora 22 - x86_64 repo: using cache for: rpmfusion-free-updates not found deltainfo for: RPM Fusion for Fedora 22 - Free - Updates not found updateinfo for: RPM Fusion for Fedora 22 - Free - Updates repo: using cache for: adobe-linux-x86_64 not found deltainfo for: Adobe Systems Incorporated not found updateinfo for: Adobe Systems Incorporated repo: using cache for: rpmfusion-nonfree-updates not found deltainfo for: RPM Fusion for Fedora 22 - Nonfree - Updates not found updateinfo for: RPM Fusion for Fedora 22 - Nonfree - Updates repo: using cache for: rpmfusion-free not found deltainfo for: RPM Fusion for Fedora 22 - Free not found updateinfo for: RPM Fusion for Fedora 22 - Free reviving: failed for 'updates', mismatched sha256 sum. Curl error (28): Timeout was reached for ftp://mirror.easyspeedy.com/fedora/updates/22/x86_64/repodata/repomd.xml [Connection time-out] ( ftp://mirror.easyspeedy.com/fedora/updates/22/x86_64/repodata/repomd.xml). error: Status code: 500 for http://ftp.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/fedora/updates/22/x86_64/repodata/repomd.xml ( http://ftp.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/fedora/updates/22/x86_64/repodata/repomd.xml ). [...] Regards Martin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: DNF problems - maybe force ftp-http ?
On 30 June 2015 at 13:20, Martin Møller Skarbiniks Pedersen traxpla...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 June 2015 at 13:57, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2015-06-29 at 13:12 +0200, Martin Møller Skarbiniks Pedersen wrote: I am having big problems install new software and upgrading my current F22 using DNF. Maybe I am wrong but I think that if I could force dnf to use http(s) instead of ftp, then my problems would be solved. AFAIK there is no guarantee that repos will even support HTTP(S). Kind of solved. dnf is still very very slow or not working but yum-deprecated works perfect. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: SELinux is preventing sh from getattr access on the file /usr/sbin/ldconfig.
On 06/29/2015 01:45 PM, Andras Simon wrote: [Sorry for the late answer, I was away from this machine.] 2015-06-28 1:01 GMT+02:00, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com: On 06/27/15 21:15, Andras Simon wrote: 2015-06-27 15:11 GMT+02:00, Andras Simon sza...@gmail.com: Should I be worried about the $subject? And there's also a SELinux is preventing sh from execute access on the file /usr/sbin/ldconfig which I've only just noticed. It sounds even scarier. Does your output match these? [egreshko@meimei ~]$ ls -Z /bin/bash system_u:object_r:shell_exec_t:s0 /bin/bash [egreshko@meimei ~]$ ls -Z /usr/sbin/ldconfig system_u:object_r:ldconfig_exec_t:s0 /usr/sbin/ldconfig Yes, I get the same result. Andras Everything seems correct. But the AVC's indicate that firewalld was attempting to runldconfig... Which I believe should not happen normally. The transactions at the time of yum/rpm indicate that the transaction or at least the post install sections were being run as firewalld_t. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies
If you don't give it time to recompile the driver after the yum update and before a reboot, things can be in a confusing state and it won't recompile after the boot. (At least that is what I have observed). I always run top after a yum update and wait till all the compilation and rpm activity disappears before I type reboot. If you install akmod-nvidia again, it will probably update the driver at that time and you'll be back to normal. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange booting problem
On 06/26/2015 07:35 PM, jd1008 wrote: I have been googling and read wikis. None of them really explain clearly If 1. a drive has no bootable partitions and 2. the boot code in the 1st 446 bytes does not exist (all nulls) then how does bios decide it is not bootable, move on to the next in the sequence? I didn't get a satisfactory answer from wikis, either, so I did an experiment. I loaded a bootable image on a flash drive and connected that to a virtual machine as a USB disk. I also added a bootable ISO to the VM. I configured the VM to boot from the USB drive first, then the ISO. The VM successfully booted from the flash drive. I backed up the MBR. # dd if=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 of=sdb.mbr Then I zeroed 446 byes of the flash drive. # dd if=/dev/zero bs=446 count=1 of=/dev/sdb The VM halted when trying to boot, so I restored the boot sector and wiped the boot signature. # dd if=sdb.mbr of=/dev/sdb # dd if=/dev/zero bs=2 count=1 seek=255 of=/dev/sdb With the boot signature wiped, the VM would boot from the ISO. Based on testing, we can conclude that at least SeaBIOS will treat a boot sector with all nul bytes as a valid boot sector and run it. It will skip a boot sector if the boot signature in that MBR is not present. Note that as I previously mentioned, the BIOS doesn't use the boot flag in the partition table. A bootable partition is ONLY relevant to DOS type boot loaders, which use it to identify the C: drive from which they will boot. It does not matter to BIOS whether a disk has any bootable partitions or not. For bios to spend an eternity looking for the boot code on a non-bootable drive tells me it is a bug, even if implemented according to specs (thus the specs themselves would be at fault). It's not looking for boot code. It identifies a valid boot sector, where validity is determined by the presence of a boot signature, and runs that code. I'm not an expert on BIOS, but the extent to which I've read documentation is fairly clear and consistent. Execution begins at a specific memory location where BIOS is expected to reside. BIOS locates a boot device (possibly a hardware ROM, or a disk) and continues execution of that code. That code loads a kernel into memory and continues execution of that code. It's not described as a stack. Nothing indicates that control will return to the previous chunk of code if it finishes or does nothing. bug is not a word for something I don't understand or something I don't like. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: After installing Fedora Workstation ...
On 06/30/2015 03:06 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 14:51 -0600, jd1008 wrote: During install, Anaconda let's you select one desktop from the left column, and then select the groups of packages from the right column. Fine. Now that fedora is up and running, how does one add a group of packages ala the groupings presented by anaconda? Where is the list of such group names documented, what packages they contain, and how to install them. man dnf (hint: dnf grouplist, dnf [-v] group info group-name) poc Cool! It is strange that dnf crashed on some of the group names and abrt came up and filed a bug :) :) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange booting problem
On 06/30/2015 03:19 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 06/30/2015 03:17 PM, jd1008 wrote: The link you refer to talks about the 2 bytes past byte 255, they they are bytes 256 and 257. No, you set the block size to 2, so you are seeking (2 * 255) or 512 bytes into the disk. Grrr! 2 * 255 = 510 bytes into the disk, so you were looking at bytes 510 and 511 (the last two bytes in the first sector). But I already indicated the 466 bytes are null... in another usb drive I tested, thus no boot signature - and yet, bios hung forever because that disk was 2nd in boot order after cd/dvd drive, and before internal HD. So, the laptop's BIOS is executing what? A good code for moving from disk to disk until it finds the bootable drive in the boot sequence specified? Clearly in this case - it does not do so. And yet, you insist it is not a flaw. On 06/30/2015 03:47 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 06/30/2015 02:28 PM, jd1008 wrote: I already explained to you 1. The disk is partitioned using fdisk. 2. I cleared the 446 bytes to nulls. 3. None of the partitions have a boot signature. The boot signature is at bytes 511 and 512, and you indicated that it is present: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2015-June/462295.html Those bytes indicate to BIOS that the disk contains boot code. I tested wiping those bytes and verified that SeaBIOS, at least, will not attempt to run the boot sector of a disk after they are wiped. You comment bug is not a word for something I don't understand or something I don't like. is so totally irrelevant to what I have already reported wrt the drive at hand and the BIOS at hand. Such comments are sounding more and more like coming from an a*al attitude!! Computers are just machines that execute instructions. They don't reason. They don't make decisions. Their design may not always be the one you like, but that's not the same as being buggy. I'm trying to reasonably explain and demonstrate that you can predict and control the computer's behavior, while you rant about Dell f***ing up. I think your anger is unjustified, both toward your system's vendor and toward me. Maybe mellow out a little. -- -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - Is that a buffer overflow or are you just happy to see me? - -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange booting problem
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Gordon Messmer gordon.mess...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/30/2015 03:17 PM, jd1008 wrote: The link you refer to talks about the 2 bytes past byte 255, they they are bytes 256 and 257. No, they're the two byte block at the 255th block of two bytes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record Again, bytes 0-446 are boot code. Bytes 256 and 257 are not special locations, they fall within the boot sector. Bytes 511 and 512 (or, bytes at offset 510 and 511) are the boot signature. When present, that signature indicates that a boot sector is present and can be used. Testing indicates that if the signature is present, BIOS will load that sector into memory and continue execution of the code that it contains. Control will not return to BIOS. But I already indicated the 466 bytes are null... Doesn't matter. The documentation doesn't say that the contents of the 446 bytes are tested. nul bytes are valid opcodes in x86. It's possible this is BIOS specific. In the case I've tested, it's actually faux BIOS in the form of an EFI CSM. If the first 440 bytes are zeros, it doesn't consider that device bootable, and thus it's skipped. But I don't recall SeaBIOS or vbox's BIOS behavior, even though I've gotten bit by this confusion many times... -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange booting problem
I just set Vbox boot order to HD CD/DVD. And added a new blank VDI for the HD, and a Fedora 22 Live CD ISO for the CD. And it boots from the CD. So the HD is clearly skipped. If I partition the HD with fdisk with a single partition and no boot flag, I get the same result. So clearly this BIOS is also ignoring/skipping the HD when bootloader code in the first 440 bytes is absent but otherwise has a valid signature and partition information. If I partition a new blank VDI with parted, boot hangs indefinitely with no error message. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Awk and sort (of text files)
On 06/30/2015 04:48 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 30Jun2015 14:35, Bill Oliver ven...@billoblog.com wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015, jd1008 wrote:
[snip]
Here is the simplest solution and it does what I want without
resorting to awk:
for i in `/bin/ls -1 lists*`; do
sed '/./{H;d;};x;s/\n/={NL}=/g' $i | sort | sed
'1s/={NL}=//;s/={NL}=/\n/g' $i.sorted.txt
done
I bow before a Master.
So, I'm trying to parse this...
I don't know what NL does. From my reading I see the N command
adds the current line to the pattern space with a newline character.
I can't figure out what the L does, though, or if NL is a different
command than N followed by L
The NL is not a command. It is simply a piece of text to insert into
the line in place of newlines. (I'm not sure why - you can certainly
hold multiple lines in the hold space.)
So the code pulls lines into the hold space and replaces the newline
characters with the text NL. Then later it undoes that, replacing
the text NL with a newline character.
Personally I tend to use a nontexty character for this kind of
placeholder, such as ^G. Less risk of excountering that in the input
text, and therefore less risk of accidentally mangling it.
Cheers,
Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au
Don't have awk? Use this simple sh emulation:
#!/bin/sh
echo 'Awk bailing out!' 2
exit 2
- Tom Horsley tahors...@csd.harris.com
Hi Cameron,
It is not only NL that newline (in Linux's case it is ^J) that it is
being replaced with.
It is =NL=
Thus I knew it was a simple solution for me because I knew up front my
text files had no such content.
But I agree that for files you do not know the contents of, it is better
to choose
a pattern that would have much less likelihood of being part of the
file, like
==##:::@@@!!!
so on , so forth
Cheers,
JD
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Re: Strange booting problem
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Gordon Messmer gordon.mess...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/30/2015 03:18 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: 2. The most likely explanation for the problem, as someone else alluded to, is the USB drive has stale bootloader code on it that points to no where and hangs. One of jd's earlier messages included the boot sector. It was mostly nul bytes. The solution is to do one of two things: change the boot order in BIOS; or zero the first 440 bytes of LBA 0 with this: # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=440 count=1 Why 440? The boot sector is 446 bytes. The boot loader code area is variably sized depending on what writes it out. GRUB's is 446 bytes. But syslinux and variants are 440 bytes, and the parted code is maybe half that size. So wiping out 440 bytes is sufficient but there's nothing wrong with wiping out 446 bytes. Also, the boot sector is the same thing as LBA 0, which is the same thing as MBR, in the present context. A sector is 512 bytes. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: After installing Fedora Workstation ...
There is also: dnf group list hidden -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange booting problem
observations: 1. GRUB's boot.img, the 440 bytes of code in the MBR/LBA 0, does not use the partition active bit (the boot flag). So boot flag is irrelevant in a GRUB context. The GRUB boot.img code contains the specific LBA to jump to where core.img is found, which on MBR disks is in the MBR gap. 2. The most likely explanation for the problem, as someone else alluded to, is the USB drive has stale bootloader code on it that points to no where and hangs. If this drive was partitioned with parted (including gparted which leverages libparted), the described behavior is intended behavior by parted developers. [1] The solution is to do one of two things: change the boot order in BIOS; or zero the first 440 bytes of LBA 0 with this: # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=440 count=1 ##where X is the letter for the USB drive --- Chris Murphy [1] Which I've complained about, but the parted developers don't appear to care, or think they're doing the majority a favor. If LBA 0 is completely blank at the time parted partitions it, parted writes out some basic jump code in the first 440 bytes of the MBR that honors the active bit to determine the jump location. If the drive isn't meant to be a boot drive, this code just causes the CPU to jump to nowhere. There isn't even any error handling in this jump code. So you get exactly the behavior described. Now, I find it absurd, but, that's life with people who think everyone else is a moron. Because after all, if you're not creating a drive intended to boot you have no good reason to partition it at all: a.) format the entire block device with a file system; or b.) use LVM on the whole block device as the method of partitioning, which is vastly superior to MBR or GPT partitioning. Note that parted will not overwrite already present bootloader code in the MBR. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange booting problem
The link you refer to talks about the 2 bytes past byte 255, they they are bytes 256 and 257. But I already indicated the 466 bytes are null... in another usb drive I tested, thus no boot signature - and yet, bios hung forever because that disk was 2nd in boot order after cd/dvd drive, and before internal HD. So, the laptop's BIOS is executing what? A good code for moving from disk to disk until it finds the bootable drive in the boot sequence specified? Clearly in this case - it does not do so. And yet, you insist it is not a flaw. On 06/30/2015 03:47 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 06/30/2015 02:28 PM, jd1008 wrote: I already explained to you 1. The disk is partitioned using fdisk. 2. I cleared the 446 bytes to nulls. 3. None of the partitions have a boot signature. The boot signature is at bytes 511 and 512, and you indicated that it is present: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2015-June/462295.html Those bytes indicate to BIOS that the disk contains boot code. I tested wiping those bytes and verified that SeaBIOS, at least, will not attempt to run the boot sector of a disk after they are wiped. You comment bug is not a word for something I don't understand or something I don't like. is so totally irrelevant to what I have already reported wrt the drive at hand and the BIOS at hand. Such comments are sounding more and more like coming from an a*al attitude!! Computers are just machines that execute instructions. They don't reason. They don't make decisions. Their design may not always be the one you like, but that's not the same as being buggy. I'm trying to reasonably explain and demonstrate that you can predict and control the computer's behavior, while you rant about Dell f***ing up. I think your anger is unjustified, both toward your system's vendor and toward me. Maybe mellow out a little. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange booting problem
On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 17:11 -0600, jd1008 wrote: So, it begs the question: (that's not what begs the question means) For my case it does cause me to ask : The conundrum of my situation does indeed lead me to ask that question. If you think it does not mean that - then please enlighten everyone as to what it means :) :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange booting problem
Yet another possibility is to GPT partition the disk and then zero LBA 0 (the PMBR). Now to any MBR only utility, it will appear to be a blank drive and hence dangerously unprotected. But, being lazy I won't go look for this, I don't think the UEFI spec requires a PMBR on GPT disks, it can just have GPT only structures. But the PMBR is what all utilities use and will recreate if removed and the partition map is altered. So you're probably better off just using LVM if Linux only. If mixed platform, and you have to partition, then you have to change the BIOS boot order. Use the one time boot order change menu when you want to boot off an external, otherwise leave the first device as the internal drive. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange booting problem
On 06/30/2015 05:13 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 17:11 -0600, jd1008 wrote: So, it begs the question: (that's not what begs the question means) For my case it does cause me to ask : The conundrum of my situation does indeed lead me to ask that question. If you think it does not mean that - then please enlighten everyone as to what it means :) :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question poc :) My use of it was aimed against BIOS and not against the respondent :) If BIOS will not skip over unbootable drives, and it supposedly is written to skip over non-bootable drives - yet it does not in the situation I present, then that exposes the fallacy of bios skipping over non bootable drives. Then it is made apparent by the respondents that I cannot create non-bootable partitions in a drive using fdisk or even parted - and have bios skip over such drives within a boot sequence. So in effect the partitioning scheme may be at fault to encode a boot signature where no boot code is present, nor any partition marked as bootable. LVM was mentioned as a possible way to avoid this. But the other OS cannot use LVM. I wonder if BIOS manufacturer's are reading this list and taking note :) :) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange booting problem
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Gordon Messmer gordon.mess...@gmail.com wrote: So you could dd 512 bytes of /dev/zero to the drive, or use wipefs -a /dev/sdX, then use parted to mktable gpt and set up partitions. That will not work. Parted replaces the PMBR in such a case. So does gdisk. wipefs -a after parted or gdisk will cause both PMBR and GPT primary and backup headers to be invalidated. So to wipe or invalidate the PMBR has to be done with dd. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Awk and sort (of text files)
On 06/30/2015 03:48 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote: The NL is not a command. It is simply a piece of text to insert into the line in place of newlines. (I'm not sure why - you can certainly hold multiple lines in the hold space.) My guess is that it's easier to treat every paragraph as one long line, replacing the newlines at the end. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange booting problem
On 06/30/2015 04:33 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: That will not work. Parted replaces the PMBR in such a case. So does gdisk. Today I learned too many things. Thanks, Chris. :) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange booting problem
On 06/30/2015 03:32 PM, jd1008 wrote: So, with this kind of change, it destroys the partition table. So it does. :( Well, that's disappointing. Educational, but disappointing. I missed that in testing because the bootable media I was using wrote both an MBR and GPT labels to the USB drive. After invalidating the MBR, the GPT still described the location of the partition. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange booting problem
On 06/30/2015 03:41 PM, jd1008 wrote: So, it begs the question: (that's not what begs the question means) Can I create a disk with msdos partitioning scheme, none of the partitions marked as bootable, and have bios quickly skip over it to the next device in the boot sequence? So far it looks like the answer is no or it depends on your BIOS. Both SeaBIOS and your Dell BIOS, based on what we've seen, will attempt to use the boot sector of a disk with a valid MBR, even when the boot sector is all zeros. That's consistent with all of the documentation I can find. It's possible that other BIOS might skip an all-zero boot sector, but we don't have any documentation of which systems behave that way. However, also based on testing, it seems that if you used GPT for your partitions, then BIOS would skip over the drive during the boot process. So, maybe that's a solution? The only reasons I can think of to use MBR are a) you have an operating system that can't read GPT and b) you need to boot from the drive under BIOS. I don't think either of those apply to you. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange booting problem
On 06/30/2015 05:10 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Gordon Messmer gordon.mess...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/30/2015 03:41 PM, jd1008 wrote: So, it begs the question: (that's not what begs the question means) Yes. It's an accusation. Can I create a disk with msdos partitioning scheme, none of the partitions marked as bootable, and have bios quickly skip over it to the next device in the boot sequence? So far it looks like the answer is no or it depends on your BIOS. Both SeaBIOS and your Dell BIOS, based on what we've seen, will attempt to use the boot sector of a disk with a valid MBR, even when the boot sector is all zeros. That's consistent with all of the documentation I can find. It's possible that other BIOS might skip an all-zero boot sector, but we don't have any documentation of which systems behave that way. That seems to be true. However, also based on testing, it seems that if you used GPT for your partitions, then BIOS would skip over the drive during the boot process. No because every GPT creator also creates a PMBR which includes the MBR boot signature that you're telling us causes (some) BIOS's to use the entire MBR and then hang if it has nowhere to go. So, maybe that's a solution? The only reasons I can think of to use MBR are a) you have an operating system that can't read GPT and b) you need to boot from the drive under BIOS. I don't think either of those apply to you. If you have such a BIOS, the work around is to not partition it either MBR or GPT. If it needs partitioning, use LVM on the whole block device. It has a signature the BIOS won't know about. OMG!!! LVM!!! The other OS will most certainly NOT be able to make use of that drive :) :) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange booting problem
On 06/30/2015 03:18 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: 2. The most likely explanation for the problem, as someone else alluded to, is the USB drive has stale bootloader code on it that points to no where and hangs. One of jd's earlier messages included the boot sector. It was mostly nul bytes. The solution is to do one of two things: change the boot order in BIOS; or zero the first 440 bytes of LBA 0 with this: # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=440 count=1 Why 440? The boot sector is 446 bytes. We've already established that his BIOS will attempt to boot the system when the first 440 bytes are zeros. That was the situation we've been discussing all thread long. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange booting problem
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:13 PM, jd1008 jd1...@gmail.com wrote: OMG!!! LVM!!! The other OS will most certainly NOT be able to make use of that drive :) :) OK so you have two options. -Change the BIOS boot order. - Use GPT and after making all changes either zero out LBA 0 or otherwise invalidate the MBR's signature. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange booting problem
On 06/30/2015 04:11 PM, jd1008 wrote: Since my internal drive is dual boot, I do need to boot an OS that does not recognize GPT :( What OS are you booting that won't read GPT? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange booting problem
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:28 PM, jd1008 jd1...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if BIOS manufacturer's are reading this list and taking note :) :) They have and they say to upgrade to UEFI. This is a very long thread just to arrive at the conclusion that BIOS behavior isn't ideal for your use case. The expectation is that you set the BIOS boot order literally with the order of devices you boot from most often so that less often is the need to use the one time boot selection menu. If you want to skip the USB disk usually, then make the internal drive default. Simple. I don't know why you don't do that. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange booting problem
I already explained to you 1. The disk is partitioned using fdisk. 2. I cleared the 446 bytes to nulls. 3. None of the partitions have a boot signature. You comment bug is not a word for something I don't understand or something I don't like. is so totally irrelevant to what I have already reported wrt the drive at hand and the BIOS at hand. Such comments are sounding more and more like coming from an a*al attitude!! On 06/30/2015 03:21 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 06/26/2015 07:35 PM, jd1008 wrote: I have been googling and read wikis. None of them really explain clearly If 1. a drive has no bootable partitions and 2. the boot code in the 1st 446 bytes does not exist (all nulls) then how does bios decide it is not bootable, move on to the next in the sequence? I didn't get a satisfactory answer from wikis, either, so I did an experiment. I loaded a bootable image on a flash drive and connected that to a virtual machine as a USB disk. I also added a bootable ISO to the VM. I configured the VM to boot from the USB drive first, then the ISO. The VM successfully booted from the flash drive. I backed up the MBR. # dd if=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 of=sdb.mbr Then I zeroed 446 byes of the flash drive. # dd if=/dev/zero bs=446 count=1 of=/dev/sdb The VM halted when trying to boot, so I restored the boot sector and wiped the boot signature. # dd if=sdb.mbr of=/dev/sdb # dd if=/dev/zero bs=2 count=1 seek=255 of=/dev/sdb With the boot signature wiped, the VM would boot from the ISO. Based on testing, we can conclude that at least SeaBIOS will treat a boot sector with all nul bytes as a valid boot sector and run it. It will skip a boot sector if the boot signature in that MBR is not present. Note that as I previously mentioned, the BIOS doesn't use the boot flag in the partition table. A bootable partition is ONLY relevant to DOS type boot loaders, which use it to identify the C: drive from which they will boot. It does not matter to BIOS whether a disk has any bootable partitions or not. For bios to spend an eternity looking for the boot code on a non-bootable drive tells me it is a bug, even if implemented according to specs (thus the specs themselves would be at fault). It's not looking for boot code. It identifies a valid boot sector, where validity is determined by the presence of a boot signature, and runs that code. I'm not an expert on BIOS, but the extent to which I've read documentation is fairly clear and consistent. Execution begins at a specific memory location where BIOS is expected to reside. BIOS locates a boot device (possibly a hardware ROM, or a disk) and continues execution of that code. That code loads a kernel into memory and continues execution of that code. It's not described as a stack. Nothing indicates that control will return to the previous chunk of code if it finishes or does nothing. bug is not a word for something I don't understand or something I don't like. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange booting problem - Off list
Hi Rick, Re: my /dev/sdb: dd if=/dev/sdb bs=2 count=1 skip=255 2/dev/null | od -x 000 aa55 002 If these are the bytes that indicate a boot signature, can they be null'ed safely?? Thanx. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange booting problem
On 06/30/2015 03:17 PM, jd1008 wrote: The link you refer to talks about the 2 bytes past byte 255, they they are bytes 256 and 257. No, you set the block size to 2, so you are seeking (2 * 255) or 512 bytes into the disk. But I already indicated the 466 bytes are null... in another usb drive I tested, thus no boot signature - and yet, bios hung forever because that disk was 2nd in boot order after cd/dvd drive, and before internal HD. So, the laptop's BIOS is executing what? A good code for moving from disk to disk until it finds the bootable drive in the boot sequence specified? Clearly in this case - it does not do so. And yet, you insist it is not a flaw. On 06/30/2015 03:47 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 06/30/2015 02:28 PM, jd1008 wrote: I already explained to you 1. The disk is partitioned using fdisk. 2. I cleared the 446 bytes to nulls. 3. None of the partitions have a boot signature. The boot signature is at bytes 511 and 512, and you indicated that it is present: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2015-June/462295.html Those bytes indicate to BIOS that the disk contains boot code. I tested wiping those bytes and verified that SeaBIOS, at least, will not attempt to run the boot sector of a disk after they are wiped. You comment bug is not a word for something I don't understand or something I don't like. is so totally irrelevant to what I have already reported wrt the drive at hand and the BIOS at hand. Such comments are sounding more and more like coming from an a*al attitude!! Computers are just machines that execute instructions. They don't reason. They don't make decisions. Their design may not always be the one you like, but that's not the same as being buggy. I'm trying to reasonably explain and demonstrate that you can predict and control the computer's behavior, while you rant about Dell f***ing up. I think your anger is unjustified, both toward your system's vendor and toward me. Maybe mellow out a little. -- -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - If at first you don't succeed, quit. No sense being a damned fool! - -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange booting problem
On 06/30/2015 03:17 PM, jd1008 wrote: The link you refer to talks about the 2 bytes past byte 255, they they are bytes 256 and 257. No, they're the two byte block at the 255th block of two bytes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record Again, bytes 0-446 are boot code. Bytes 256 and 257 are not special locations, they fall within the boot sector. Bytes 511 and 512 (or, bytes at offset 510 and 511) are the boot signature. When present, that signature indicates that a boot sector is present and can be used. Testing indicates that if the signature is present, BIOS will load that sector into memory and continue execution of the code that it contains. Control will not return to BIOS. But I already indicated the 466 bytes are null... Doesn't matter. The documentation doesn't say that the contents of the 446 bytes are tested. nul bytes are valid opcodes in x86. So, the laptop's BIOS is executing what? Whatever it finds in the first disk that has a valid boot signature. Once it finds a disk with a signature, it passes execution to the boot sector and does not continue searching. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange booting problem
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 4:41 PM, jd1008 jd1...@gmail.com wrote: So, it begs the question: Can I create a disk with msdos partitioning scheme, none of the partitions marked as bootable, and have bios quickly skip over it to the next device in the boot sequence? If you partition the disk you want skipped with parted and friends (ill advised for reason I previously mentioned), then you need to remove the bootload jump code it writes to LBA 0, by zeroing the first 440 bytes as I and others previously described. If you partition with fdisk there is no code to erase it will just be skipped. However, fdisk will not erase existing code. So this only applies going forward. Same for gdisk. And same for their variants. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
