Re: Structure needs cleaning?? What would be a better way to handle?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/20/18 11:05 AM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:

1. Why wouldn't the boot fsck fix the problem without dumping to a command
prompt?


I think it's run in "preen" mode or something similar.  It will fix 
simple issues and check things, but if there's a problem that could have 
significant effects, it wants the admin to check it out.



2. Have a notebook that also has the fedora 28, but it was a clean install. It
doesn't even have the /var/lib/yum/yumdb directory. So, am assumming that
this was left over from system from serveral upgrades ago.


Yes.


3. Other than booting from another liveos type setup, is there a way to fix this
kind of error.


Not really.  You either need to use a live boot or work from the 
primitive command prompt provided by the initramfs.



Machine has been rebooted, but have never seen the error of Structure
needing cleaning before.


It's an internal filesystem error, something got corrupted.
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Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 10/20/18 9:03 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:

On 20Oct2018 18:55, Stephen Perkins  wrote:
On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 6:01 PM stan  
wrote:

Would you willingly or
reluctantly migrate to the new platform?


Neither.  If this list disappears, I will too.


Likewise.


And another likewise
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Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

[Cameron Simpson]

On 20Oct2018 18:55, Stephen Perkins  wrote:

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 6:01 PM stan  wrote:
Would you willingly or
reluctantly migrate to the new platform?


Neither.  If this list disappears, I will too.


Likewise.

Unless the forum provides a bidirectional gateway with the existing 
mailing list, I shall not participate.


Email comes to me, asynchronously. Forums I need to visit, a massive 
PITA. I can reply to email when offline, and it will go out later, too.


Email is read and composed with my preferred tools, which need not be 
the same as the tools of others.


Forums provide a fixed, and IMO, usually poor web based interface with 
suboptimal coposition tools (the web form, or occasionally some ghastly 
WYSYWIG rich text editor) with no options for people to pick their own.


Forums promote the context free reply, and the top post. Both of which 
are of low value.


I lurk and participate in hundreds of lists via email, using a single 
set of tools which run locally with local data, and suit me. Other 
participants can use their own choices as well. Web forums are variable 
in interface, but one size fits all per forum, and generally a PITA 
regardless in my experience.


Cheers,
Cameron Simpson 
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Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

[Ed Greshko]

On 10/21/18 8:40 AM, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 10/21/18 7:52 AM, Todd Zullinger wrote:
>>> But that said, I don't see any reason why there could not be
>>> a users forum and an email list co-existing.
>> Are you aware that is already the case for this mailing list?
>>
>> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/
> Yeah, I'm aware of the web interface to the list*.  I'm sure
> some folks aren't, so it's a handy reminder.
>
> I'm not sure I'd call that a forum though, not in the same
> way that Discourse is according to the discussions here and
> on the devel list.  But maybe that's splitting hairs. ;)
>
> * There are some bugs in the web interface which are fixed
>   upstream and not yet deployed to the Fedora instance.  One
>   of those is the lack of attribution when replying, giving
>   the impression that the person replying has misattributed
>   any quoted content.  I'd love to see that patch applied to
>   the Fedora instance (or have the Fedora instance updated
>   to the latest stable release).  But I know that the Fedora
>   Infrastructure team is always quite busy and the number of
>   users of the web interface may not justify much time
>   spent.

OK.

I would reiterate that should this avenue of help for users be limited to a 
totally web
based interface I would cease to participate.


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Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

[Todd Zullinger]

Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 10/21/18 7:52 AM, Todd Zullinger wrote:
>> But that said, I don't see any reason why there could not be
>> a users forum and an email list co-existing.
> 
> Are you aware that is already the case for this mailing list?
> 
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/

Yeah, I'm aware of the web interface to the list*.  I'm sure
some folks aren't, so it's a handy reminder.

I'm not sure I'd call that a forum though, not in the same
way that Discourse is according to the discussions here and
on the devel list.  But maybe that's splitting hairs. ;)

* There are some bugs in the web interface which are fixed
  upstream and not yet deployed to the Fedora instance.  One
  of those is the lack of attribution when replying, giving
  the impression that the person replying has misattributed
  any quoted content.  I'd love to see that patch applied to
  the Fedora instance (or have the Fedora instance updated
  to the latest stable release).  But I know that the Fedora
  Infrastructure team is always quite busy and the number of
  users of the web interface may not justify much time
  spent.

[And once again, reading the quote in my sig, I see that the
randomness of the fortune program may appear deliberate.
It's not. :)]

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Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

[Ed Greshko]

On 10/21/18 7:52 AM, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> But that said, I don't see any reason why there could not be
> a users forum and an email list co-existing.

Are you aware that is already the case for this mailing list?

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/

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Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

[Todd Zullinger]

Leander Hutton wrote:
> Discourse, Discord or Slack are what everyone seem to be clustering
> around these days. The main thing I like about mailing lists and even to
> some extent IRC is it's a bit more decentralized and is easily locally
> archived. They're also built around a standard or protocol instead of an
> individual product so it's fairly easy to migrate data from one
> machine/client/place/whatever to another.

Being standards-based is a very good point, thanks for
making it!  Too many things are moving toward closed
protocols or one-off tools. (I know Discourse is open, it
just falls into the latter category.)

[The quote in my sig is random and not intended to be
related to this discussion, I swear. :)]

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Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

[Todd Zullinger]

stan wrote:
> I'm wondering how the people who regularly use
> fedora-users mailing list feel about that.  Which would
> you prefer?

Forums have never been something I care for.  Anything which
forces its choice of interface upon me is something I don't
use joyfully.

But that said, I don't see any reason why there could not be
a users forum and an email list co-existing.  Clearly, some
people prefer forums while other prefer email.  Helping
users of Fedora in whatever format they prefer seems
reasonable.

Both IRC and the mailing list happily co-exist today.  Some
folks are in one or the other, some spend time in both.  A
user-support forum would be similar. If that makes support
available to people who aren't well-served by IRC or mailing
lists, it's probably a good thing.

The only reason it would be an either/or choice is if a
global decision was made to drop support for the Fedora
Mailman instance in favor of a Discourse instance.  That
doesn't seem likely for the near future, at this point.

> Unfortunately, it's an either / or proposal, because there
> is no interface in Discourse for emails from an email list
> to be put in their forums, though they do have email
> notification for new web messages.

Based on what I read as I followed the devel list thread,
there is a mailing-list mode in Discourse.  It's got a
number of issues at this point, but there is some attempt by
the Discourse folks to allow interacting with the forum via
email.

I still would be unlikely to use it because forums are
simply a different type of conversation.  In my experience,
forums discourage quoting and lead to conversations that
remind me of mailing lists with no standards.  They're like
being on lists where everyone top-posts.

(I generally avoid helping people who repeatedly top-post
here.  There are folks who continue to do so after being
asked numerous times to respect the list customs.)

> Would you willingly or reluctantly migrate to the new
> platform?

If this list were replaced with a forum, I'd simply free up
the time I spend here doing other things.  I have no
interest in using a forum and spending more time in some
browser-based interface.

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Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

[Leander Hutton]

On 10/20/18 5:42 PM, stan wrote:
> I'm wondering how the people who regularly use fedora-users mailing
> list feel about that.  Which would you prefer?  Unfortunately, it's an
> either / or proposal, because there is no interface in Discourse for
> emails from an email list to be put in their forums, though they do
> have email notification for new web messages.  Would you willingly or
> reluctantly migrate to the new platform?

Discourse, Discord or Slack are what everyone seem to be clustering
around these days. The main thing I like about mailing lists and even to
some extent IRC is it's a bit more decentralized and is easily locally
archived. They're also built around a standard or protocol instead of an
individual product so it's fairly easy to migrate data from one
machine/client/place/whatever to another. What happens to all the
Discourse posts when the next HotNewThing(TM) comes along? Will all the
questions, answers and interactions vanish?

I'm a bit of an odd ball for a young person in that I still host my own
mail. While I'm not terribly active on here I'd be even less so on
Discourse most likely.

Leander

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Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

[Stephen Perkins]

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 6:56 PM Ed Greshko  wrote:
>
> On 10/21/18 5:42 AM, stan wrote:
> > I'm wondering how the people who regularly use fedora-users mailing
> > list feel about that.
>
> I would simply stop contributing.
>
 And that is why I would be leaving.  Your contributions have helped
me, many times, and I would miss that.  I don't post much,but I read
and read and read.  I seldom go to forums, especially when there is a
list like this with so many knowledgeable contributors.
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Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

[Fulko Hew]

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 6:35 PM Mike Wright 
wrote:

> On 10/20/18 3:17 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> > On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 14:42:20 -0700
> > stan wrote:
> >
> >> I'm wondering how the people who regularly use fedora-users mailing
> >> list feel about that.
> >
> > There is already a fedoraforum which I don't use at all because
> > I despise forums because they are nothing like as useful as mailing
> lists.
>
> +1000
>

I just looked at the Discourse 'demo' site (not the aforementioned
fedoraforum).
Its not for me either.

+1000
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Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

[Stephen Perkins]

>On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 6:01 PM stan  wrote:
>Would you willingly or
> reluctantly migrate to the new platform?
>

Neither.  If this list disappears, I will too.

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Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

[Ed Greshko]

On 10/21/18 5:42 AM, stan wrote:
> I'm wondering how the people who regularly use fedora-users mailing
> list feel about that.

I would simply stop contributing.

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Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

[William Oliver]

This comes up occasionally on another list I belong to. The dynamic of
a forum and a mailinglist are very different, mostly because one is
push and one is pull.

With a forum, you have to *go* to the site, which means that folk who
are peripherally interested will just stop looking unless they have a
specific problem bad enough to go to the forum.  This means that you
will have fewer people on the forum, but they will be more committed.

Basically, you will lose readers such as myself.  I like to read the
comments on this list, but it's fairly low on my hierarchy of stuff to
read in the afternoons.  So... I scan the emails and see if there's a
title that I might find interesting.  Otherwise, I delete it without
reading.   I like to get the emails, but I don't read all the threads. 
If I had to make the effort to go to a forum, I'd do it rarely.

Some forum software provides a hybrid solution -- there's a web-based
forum UI, but a user can opt to have the comments pushed on email to
them, and can respond by email.  Thus, folk like me can still get the
"mailinglist experience" while others can do a forum thing.

billo


On Sat, 2018-10-20 at 18:17 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 14:42:20 -0700
> stan wrote:
> This 
> > I'm wondering how the people who regularly use fedora-users mailing
> > list feel about that.
> 
> There is already a fedoraforum which I don't use at all because
> I despise forums because they are nothing like as useful as mailing
> lists.
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Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

[Mike Wright]

On 10/20/18 3:17 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:

On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 14:42:20 -0700
stan wrote:


I'm wondering how the people who regularly use fedora-users mailing
list feel about that.


There is already a fedoraforum which I don't use at all because
I despise forums because they are nothing like as useful as mailing lists.


+1000
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Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

[Tom Horsley]

On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 14:42:20 -0700
stan wrote:

> I'm wondering how the people who regularly use fedora-users mailing
> list feel about that.

There is already a fedoraforum which I don't use at all because
I despise forums because they are nothing like as useful as mailing lists.
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Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

[Mark C. Allman]

On 10/20/18 5:42 PM, stan wrote:
> Hi,
> There's a big mail thread on fedora-devel about using a web forum
> software called Discourse instead of mailing lists.  The idea is that
> it would invigorate the Fedora community by encouraging younger people
> raised on social media and mobile platforms to contribute.  One of the
> targets they have mentioned is the user list, because of its nature of
> short term question and answer topics. There has been push-back by
> developers because they have their custom solutions all working great
> around email lists for doing their work.
>
> I'm wondering how the people who regularly use fedora-users mailing
> list feel about that.  Which would you prefer?  Unfortunately, it's an
> either / or proposal, because there is no interface in Discourse for
> emails from an email list to be put in their forums, though they do
> have email notification for new web messages.  Would you willingly or
> reluctantly migrate to the new platform?
>
> Here are a few links from that thread.
>
> https://theforeman.org/2018/07/discourse-6-months-on-impact-assesment.html
>
> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/
>
> https://meta.discourse.org/t/what-is-mailing-list-mode/46008/9
>
> https://meta.discourse.org/t/biggest-busiest-discourse-forums/30674
>
> In order to access discourse, because fedora is using the hosting
> provided by discourse, you will have to grant js access to
>
> http://discourse-cdn-sjc1.com
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A few questions:

1. Still moderated, correct?  Look at
https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-moderation-guide/63116.

2. Could we try it as a POC/pilot before committing to a switch-over?

Looks like the Android app hasn't been updated since December of last
year.  Reviews are mixed.

I say pilot it, including the moderation setup, workflows, etc., and see
how it fits.  Looks interesting from the outside.


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Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

[stan]

Hi,
There's a big mail thread on fedora-devel about using a web forum
software called Discourse instead of mailing lists.  The idea is that
it would invigorate the Fedora community by encouraging younger people
raised on social media and mobile platforms to contribute.  One of the
targets they have mentioned is the user list, because of its nature of
short term question and answer topics. There has been push-back by
developers because they have their custom solutions all working great
around email lists for doing their work.

I'm wondering how the people who regularly use fedora-users mailing
list feel about that.  Which would you prefer?  Unfortunately, it's an
either / or proposal, because there is no interface in Discourse for
emails from an email list to be put in their forums, though they do
have email notification for new web messages.  Would you willingly or
reluctantly migrate to the new platform?

Here are a few links from that thread.

https://theforeman.org/2018/07/discourse-6-months-on-impact-assesment.html

https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/

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Re: really off topic -- yahoo email issue!

[bruce]

Hi List.

Thanks for letting me post some things that are seriously off topic.

The issue of using php/(b2evolution) to handle sending emails -- using
an smtp server. Testing against smtp.yahoo.com with the required
SSL/port. Never could get it to quite work. However, when using
gmail's smtp server, and the same setup, everything appears to work.

The basic process,
set up the smtp address
use SSL/465 (i believe)
use the required username/passwd for the acct
setup the security to allow "relaxed" 3rd party usage

do a test to have valid server connection, as well as valid email
through the smtp..

and you should be ok..

Wish I could figureout just what/why yahoo didn't work..

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 2:02 PM bruce  wrote:
>
> Hi Alex...
>
> After much thrashing.. I decided to test the use of the smtp.yahoo.com
> smtp server with the user/passwd/port...
>
> While I can seem to generate a valid server connection, it appears
> something is happening to prevent a successful test email
>
> arrrggghhh.. the trek continues!
>
> On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 1:26 PM Alexander Dalloz  wrote:
> >
> > Am 20.10.2018 um 18:03 schrieb bruce:
> > > Hi Walter,
> > >
> > > This is a simple digitalocean test server/app. there's an ipaddress..
> > > no dns.. no FQDN.. just some test php, as well as the test open source
> > > web app i'm testing out..
> >
> > Your setup has the footprint of a spammer. Yahoo has implemented DMARK
> > and your testing has no much chance to succeed.
> >
> > > So the "normal" process one would use for email/dns/etc.. aren't here..
> > >
> > > thanks
> >
> > Alexander
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Re: really off topic -- yahoo email issue!

[Dave Ihnat]

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 02:02:52PM -0400, bruce wrote:
> While I can seem to generate a valid server connection, it appears
> something is happening to prevent a successful test email

Remember that with Google, it may identify your server as a "Less secure
system".  The account owner has to authorize connection with such a system.

Cheers,
--
Dave Ihnat
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Structure needs cleaning?? What would be a better way to handle?

[Michael D. Setzer II]

I was doing a search of directories to see the sizes, and had some messages 
come up about Structure needs cleaning?

My original solution didn't work so well.
Files where in the /var/lib/yum/yumdb directory and the latest one was from 
2016.
Since it was part of the /  (root) partition /dev/sda2, I just did the 
touch /forcefsck and figured the reboot would then have it run a check on the 
disk.

The machine rebooted, and did the check, but failed at about 60+% and just 
dumped to a limited command prompt.

Was able to fix the problem, by booting to my g4l kernel that loads in ram 
from the grub menu. Was able to run fsck -f  /dev/sda2  and it reported the 
errors on these files in the /var/lib/yum/yumdb directory. 

Reboot, and machine came up fine. 
Had a number of entries and the lost+found.

So, question. 
1. Why wouldn't the boot fsck fix the problem without dumping to a command 
prompt?
2. Have a notebook that also has the fedora 28, but it was a clean install. It 
doesn't even have the /var/lib/yum/yumdb directory. So, am assumming that 
this was left over from system from serveral upgrades ago. 
3. Other than booting from another liveos type setup, is there a way to fix 
this 
kind of error.

Machine has been rebooted, but have never seen the error of Structure 
needing cleaning before. 

Thanks for any info.



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Re: really off topic -- yahoo email issue!

[bruce]

Hi Alex...

After much thrashing.. I decided to test the use of the smtp.yahoo.com
smtp server with the user/passwd/port...

While I can seem to generate a valid server connection, it appears
something is happening to prevent a successful test email

arrrggghhh.. the trek continues!

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 1:26 PM Alexander Dalloz  wrote:
>
> Am 20.10.2018 um 18:03 schrieb bruce:
> > Hi Walter,
> >
> > This is a simple digitalocean test server/app. there's an ipaddress..
> > no dns.. no FQDN.. just some test php, as well as the test open source
> > web app i'm testing out..
>
> Your setup has the footprint of a spammer. Yahoo has implemented DMARK
> and your testing has no much chance to succeed.
>
> > So the "normal" process one would use for email/dns/etc.. aren't here..
> >
> > thanks
>
> Alexander
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Re: really off topic -- yahoo email issue!

[Alexander Dalloz]

Am 20.10.2018 um 18:03 schrieb bruce:

Hi Walter,

This is a simple digitalocean test server/app. there's an ipaddress..
no dns.. no FQDN.. just some test php, as well as the test open source
web app i'm testing out..


Your setup has the footprint of a spammer. Yahoo has implemented DMARK 
and your testing has no much chance to succeed.



So the "normal" process one would use for email/dns/etc.. aren't here..

thanks


Alexander
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Re: really off topic -- yahoo email issue!

[bruce]

Hi Walter,

This is a simple digitalocean test server/app. there's an ipaddress..
no dns.. no FQDN.. just some test php, as well as the test open source
web app i'm testing out..

So the "normal" process one would use for email/dns/etc.. aren't here..

thanks

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 11:54 AM Walter H.  wrote:
>
> On 20.10.2018 17:28, bruce wrote:
> > Hi Walter,
> >
> > Thanks for the reply.
> >
> is there any log maybe the mail is rejected or whatever?
>
> your webserver should relay to sendmail/postfix and this part has the log;
>
> your server should have a correct rDNS and DNS which is used in EHLO
>
>
>
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Re: really off topic -- yahoo email issue!

[Walter H.]

On 20.10.2018 17:28, bruce wrote:

Hi Walter,

Thanks for the reply.


is there any log maybe the mail is rejected or whatever?

your webserver should relay to sendmail/postfix and this part has the log;

your server should have a correct rDNS and DNS which is used in EHLO





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Re: really off topic -- yahoo email issue!

[bruce]

Hi Walter,

Thanks for the reply.

Tried the change/suggestions in the header... Actually changed the


 > Return-Path: b2evo-return@104.248.125.83<--- this is no good idea,
FQDN expected
 > MIME-Version: 1.0
 > Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 06:08:17 +
 > X-Mailer: b2evolution 6.10.3-stable - PHP/7.2.11<--- replace this
with something useful, e.g.  'Xmail [en]'

to the test email -->badoug...@gmail.com  for the "return path"

No luck.

I'm starting to suspect that the underlying/internal php process in
the app isn't going through due to Yahoo blocking.. Although, yahoo's
email isn't returning anything in the spam process.

I'm thinking the overall process will need to implement a smtp
gateway/auth process. Not sure why the "normal" process works for
gmail though...

thoughts/comments???




On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 5:49 AM Walter H.  wrote:
>
> On 20.10.2018 10:57, bruce wrote:
> > However, the yahoo process seems to have issues with  the emai. I've
> > submitted the test email address to the yahoo contacts list as well as
> > checking the spam folder. No luck.
> see comments below
>
> >   The headers of the email are:
> >
> > usc_...@yahoo.com
> > Subject:
> >
> > Activate your account: tom
> >
> > Headers:
> >
> > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; 
> > boundary="b2evo-a329f0ea8b1d31bc1f14487c57eec208"
> > From: "b2evo mailer"
> > Return-Path: b2evo-return@104.248.125.83<--- this is no good idea, FQDN 
> > expected
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 06:08:17 +
> > X-Mailer: b2evolution 6.10.3-stable - PHP/7.2.11<--- replace this with 
> > something useful, e.g.  'Xmail [en]'
> > X-Remote-Addr: 74.178.140.153
> >
> > Text content: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > Hello tom!
> >
> > You have recently registered a new account
> > onhttp://104.248.125.83/foo/htsrv/email_passthrough.php?email_ID=3=link_key=***prevent-tracking-through-log***ErtLBym6Xl1VuQ17rNsADPbW8Qsr8Sxq_to=%20http%3A%2F%2F104.248.125.83%2Ffoo%2F
> > .
> >
> > You must activate this account by clicking below in order to be able
> > to use all the site features.
> >
> > Your login is: tom
> > Your email is: usc_...@yahoo.com
> >
> > Please activate this account by clicking on the following link:
> > http://104.248.125.83/foo/htsrv/email_passthrough.php?email_ID=3=link_key=***prevent-tracking-through-log***ErtLBym6Xl1VuQ17rNsADPbW8Qsr8Sxq_to=http%3A%2F%2F104.248.125.83%2Ffoo%2Fhtsrv%2Flogin.php%3Faction%3Dactivateacc_ez%26userID%3D8%26reminderKey%3DRZCEGLiGV2dbdXIRDYwdmqVlonvKSr4t<---
> >  also there is an FQDN expected ...
> >
>
>
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Re: really off topic -- yahoo email issue!

[Walter H.]

On 20.10.2018 10:57, bruce wrote:

However, the yahoo process seems to have issues with  the emai. I've
submitted the test email address to the yahoo contacts list as well as
checking the spam folder. No luck.

see comments below


  The headers of the email are:

usc_...@yahoo.com
Subject:

Activate your account: tom

Headers:

Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="b2evo-a329f0ea8b1d31bc1f14487c57eec208"
From: "b2evo mailer"
Return-Path: b2evo-return@104.248.125.83<--- this is no good idea, FQDN expected
MIME-Version: 1.0
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 06:08:17 +
X-Mailer: b2evolution 6.10.3-stable - PHP/7.2.11<--- replace this with 
something useful, e.g.  'Xmail [en]'
X-Remote-Addr: 74.178.140.153

Text content: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Hello tom!

You have recently registered a new account
onhttp://104.248.125.83/foo/htsrv/email_passthrough.php?email_ID=3=link_key=***prevent-tracking-through-log***ErtLBym6Xl1VuQ17rNsADPbW8Qsr8Sxq_to=%20http%3A%2F%2F104.248.125.83%2Ffoo%2F
.

You must activate this account by clicking below in order to be able
to use all the site features.

Your login is: tom
Your email is: usc_...@yahoo.com

Please activate this account by clicking on the following link:
http://104.248.125.83/foo/htsrv/email_passthrough.php?email_ID=3=link_key=***prevent-tracking-through-log***ErtLBym6Xl1VuQ17rNsADPbW8Qsr8Sxq_to=http%3A%2F%2F104.248.125.83%2Ffoo%2Fhtsrv%2Flogin.php%3Faction%3Dactivateacc_ez%26userID%3D8%26reminderKey%3DRZCEGLiGV2dbdXIRDYwdmqVlonvKSr4t<---
 also there is an FQDN expected ...






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really off topic -- yahoo email issue!

[bruce]

Feel free to ignore this one !!

I'm testing a webapp, using the test ipadress from the previous email
thread on the apache/vhost setup.

In this case, I'm sending a "test" email to a dummy yahoo email
account to register a test user in the test app. When I perform this
same action with a dummy gmail account, gmail accepts th email. I can
see it.

However, the yahoo process seems to have issues with  the emai. I've
submitted the test email address to the yahoo contacts list as well as
checking the spam folder. No luck.

 The headers of the email are:

usc_...@yahoo.com
Subject:

Activate your account: tom

Headers:

Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="b2evo-a329f0ea8b1d31bc1f14487c57eec208"
From: "b2evo mailer" 
Return-Path: b2evo-return@104.248.125.83
MIME-Version: 1.0
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 06:08:17 +
X-Mailer: b2evolution 6.10.3-stable - PHP/7.2.11
X-Remote-Addr: 74.178.140.153

Text content: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Hello tom!

You have recently registered a new account
onhttp://104.248.125.83/foo/htsrv/email_passthrough.php?email_ID=3=link_key=***prevent-tracking-through-log***ErtLBym6Xl1VuQ17rNsADPbW8Qsr8Sxq_to=%20http%3A%2F%2F104.248.125.83%2Ffoo%2F
.

You must activate this account by clicking below in order to be able
to use all the site features.

Your login is: tom
Your email is: usc_...@yahoo.com

Please activate this account by clicking on the following link:
http://104.248.125.83/foo/htsrv/email_passthrough.php?email_ID=3=link_key=***prevent-tracking-through-log***ErtLBym6Xl1VuQ17rNsADPbW8Qsr8Sxq_to=http%3A%2F%2F104.248.125.83%2Ffoo%2Fhtsrv%2Flogin.php%3Faction%3Dactivateacc_ez%26userID%3D8%26reminderKey%3DRZCEGLiGV2dbdXIRDYwdmqVlonvKSr4t
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