Re: gpg decrypt from a script
On 14Feb2024 22:49, Alex wrote: You don't need sshpass if you have the private key matching the public key already stored on the server. Just use ssh. This would be for use in a script - I'm assuming someone would use it as part of an automated backup script or when it's not possible to be at the keyboard to enter that passphrase. I usually make a special purpose keypair with no passphrase for this, with a distinctive filename, eg .ssh/id_dsa_backups and its .pub partner. You can lock down the authorized_keys file at the far end to constrain its use, too. Remember "expect"? It sounds reminiscent of that from the 90s. Ugh. Cheers, Cameron Simpson -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: running auto apps on tgt srvr via ssh access
On 02Feb2024 11:29, bruce wrote: But setting up ssh is no issue. My issue, I'm wondering how to "run" a cmd on srvr2 via ssh when I'm on srvr1. How is: ssh srvr2 the-command... not enough? I feel that I'm missing some larger context here. And a larger issue, is this even the "right" way to handle testing "stuff" within Github? Shrug. Why not? If you want to test "run some command on srvr2" and you're orchestrating things from srvr1, the above ssh seems fine to me. Obviously it glosses over the target user on srvr2 and the ssh key setup, but you say you've got that side of things sorted. Example: I've got a little script to twiddle our firewall's routing as needed. It looks like this: #!/bin/sh set -ue if [ $# = 0 ] then ssh fw cat /etc/isp-state else set-x ssh fw doas -u root isp.sh "$@" fi It just sshes to the firewall and runs the required command. Cheers, Cameron Simpson -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: rsync fails when transferring multiple files
On 20Dec2023 13:59, Alex wrote: This also isn't a disk space or inode problem or corrupt filesystem problem - the same command works from a different host to this one problematic host without a problem. Destination directory also doesn't matter. Does the different host have the same version of rsync? Cheers, Cameron Simpson -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: ssh forced command in syslog?
On 10Dec2023 10:14, Alex wrote: I'm trying to use the "command=" ability with ssh and rsync to restrict the commands that can be run with a passwordless ssh key. The problem is that I can't figure out the exact rsync that's being executed on the remote side. I recall in the past being able to somehow log this information to syslog, but now I can't remember and can't find it. The command= is a shell command, so you can go: command="set -x; rsync " but surely you know the command, it's right there in the string? If you're trying to figure out what rsync is invoking for the server end in order to fill out the "command=" stuff, the --rsync-path option is in fact a shell command too, so you can go: rsync --rsync-path='set -x; rsync' . to see it when invoking rsync. Cheers, Cameron Simpson -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: might be off topic -- using digitalocean to test
On 16Dec2023 18:56, bruce wrote: Does anyone have digitalocean (DO) experience creating droplets/snapshots/cloning etc. I've only made a droplet, not cloned one. Cheers, Cameron Simpson -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: ssh connection and selinux
On 14Aug2023 09:18, François Patte wrote: Here is the part I get with ssh -v: debug1: Next authentication method: publickey debug1: Offering public key: /home/patte/.ssh/id_rsa RSA SHA256: ** I have a server accepts line after this: debug1: Next authentication method: publickey debug1: Offering public key: /Users/cameron/.ssh/id_rsa RSA SHA256:* agent debug1: Server accepts key: /Users/cameron/.ssh/id_rsa RSA SHA256:* agent Do you? If I go "ssh -G hostname | grep -i pubkey" I get this: pubkeyauthentication true ignoreunknown PubkeyAcceptedKeyTypes,ProxyJump pubkeyacceptedalgorithms ssh-ed25519-cert-...@openssh.com,ecdsa-sha2-nistp256-cert-...@openssh.com,ecdsa-sha2-nistp384-cert-...@openssh.com,ecdsa-sha2-nistp521-cert-...@openssh.com,rsa-sha2-512-cert-...@openssh.com,rsa-sha2-256-cert-...@openssh.com,ssh-ed25519,ecdsa-sha2-nistp256,ecdsa-sha2-nistp384,ecdsa-sha2-nistp521,rsa-sha2-512,rsa-sha2-256,ssh-dss What's that say for your "pubkeyacceptedalgorithms" ? I suspect some ssh configuration has changed with the upgrade, possibly in /etc/ssh/ssh_config. Certainly some key types (or smaller sizes) fall out of favour as they become inadequately secure. Where will it be mentionned? I expect the default is wired into the ssh client command. You can add a particular algorithm back in with a ~/.ssh/config line like this: PubkeyAcceptedAlgorithms +missing-name-here But algorithms are disabled for a reason; after diagnosing this issue, you should probably make yourself an additional keypair of an accepted type and add its public half where wanted. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: ssh connection and selinux
On 13Aug2023 23:23, François Patte wrote: Since I upgraded to f38 it is impossible to connect to a machine using ssh rsa-key the file .ssh/authorized_keys has not change, but any remote connection to this machine asks for a password Is there something to change with selinux? Almost certainly not. If it were selinux you wouldn't get a connection. More likely you're not offering the RSA key any more or the remote isn't accepting it. Run "ssh -v" to see what's happening. Here's some example output from a run here: [...] debug1: Will attempt key: /home/cameron/.ssh/id_ecdsa ECDSA SHA256:* agent debug1: Will attempt key: /home/cameron/.ssh/id_ed25519 ED25519 SHA256:* agent debug1: Will attempt key: /home/cameron/.ssh/id_dsa DSA SHA256:* agent debug1: Will attempt key: /home/cameron/.ssh/id_rsa debug1: Will attempt key: /home/cameron/.ssh/id_ecdsa_sk debug1: Will attempt key: /home/cameron/.ssh/id_ed25519_sk debug1: Will attempt key: /home/cameron/.ssh/id_xmss [...] debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey debug1: Next authentication method: publickey debug1: Offering public key: /home/cameron/.ssh/id_ecdsa ECDSA SHA256:9UgXjVSJOlQUHfv25eXgy2fU/RiUJBsK10q4xCvefBs agent debug1: Server accepts key: /home/cameron/.ssh/id_ecdsa ECDSA SHA256:9UgXjVSJOlQUHfv25eXgy2fU/RiUJBsK10q4xCvefBs agent [...] I suspect some ssh configuration has changed with the upgrade, possibly in /etc/ssh/ssh_config. Certainly some key types (or smaller sizes) fall out of favour as they become inadequately secure. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: 'mutt' issues
On 04Mar2023 16:13, Slade Watkins wrote: On 3/3/23 21:59, Jon LaBadie wrote: While there may be some mutt expertise on the Fedora list, you might consider posting to the mutt-users list. Not high volume, but high expertise. Here are the list headers from a recent post: Thank you so much, I will reach out to them. Definitely join us at mutt-users. http://mutt.org/ http://mutt.org/mail-lists.html Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: tar
On 01Feb2023 20:24, Patrick Dupre wrote: To create a tar file, I used to create a list and to make tar -cvzf arch.tgz $list However, if there are file names with a space, this space is interpreted as file name separator. If you can match the files with a glob (shell pattern): tar cvzf arch.tgz *.ext Obviously replacing *.ext appropriately. And of course you can give that many times. If the files are the entire content of a directory, merely mentioning the directory is enough: tar cvzf arch.tgz directoryname Of course you can give multiple directories or globs. And in modern shells there's a "**" pattern means a recursive walk. So: tar cvzf arch.tgz subdir/**/*.py to name all the .py files in subdir. And so forth. All of these are space (and other weird characters) safe. If you must make the tar file in a few goes/batches, do the first with "c" (create) and the rest with "r" (replace), which does an append. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: tar
On 01Feb2023 13:07, Jerry James wrote:
If you can make your list with find, you can also do something like
this:
find [top directory] [find criteria here] -exec tar -cvzf arch.tgz {} +
This recreates the tar file once per file, ending up with a tar file
containing only the last file found.
Or, if you can generate the list with null characters instead of
spaces as the filename separators, you could do something like this:
[generate the list with nulls] | xargs -0 tar -cvzf arch.tgz
Unless there are enough files for xargs to break the files into multiple
groups, in which case... again a tar file containing only the last
group.
Cheers,
Cameron Simpson
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Re: OT: xplanet cloudmaps
On 27Jan2023 21:43, Ranjan Maitra wrote: For several years, until pre-pandemic times, I used to download cloudmaps and overlay them on my xplanet. It was kind of cool, and also I could see some of the heavier weather tracking around the world. Then, I believe that that source got hacked and I never found a replacement. I used to do that, long ago. Have a run through these maybe? https://gisgeography.com/free-satellite-imagery-data-list/ I don't know of anything offhand. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Weird multiple display issue
On 26Jan2023 12:31, Michael Hennebry wrote: My guess is that if one really and truly wants a 3x1 and a 1x1 the effect could be got by running two instances of the server. Yes. Or you can run the one server with two "screens", eg :10.0 and :10.1; there's a reason for that trailing ".0" on $DISPLAY! I'm not at all sure how to do that and I expect having separate instances would cause its own problems, e.g. no dragging a window between them. Yes, that doesn't work. You do want just 1 "screen" to drag windows between them. A given "screen" is a big rectangle, and each monitor shows a rectangle of that larger space. Anything you do has to accomodate that constraint. (BTW, those rectangles can overlap if you want). Anyway, to the OP's problem: The weird thing is, it seems like the desktop THINKS my screen looks like this: + + + + + + The "display" looks like this. Portions of it are shown on each monitor. So what happens is, when I do something like use a background image across multiple monitors, it stretches it so that half the image shows up on my top three monitors, and about a third of the bottom of the image shows up on my small monitor down to the right. What you need to do is construct a callage of suitably scaled images. Use a shell script and ImageMagick or GraphicsMagick. I used to do this for my old multimonitor setup. Here we go: https://github.com/cameron-simpson/css/blob/main/bin/mkwall That (a) was for a '+ + +' or similar setup and (b) does some caching of the constructed wallpapers for performance. But the GraphicsMagick calls are in there for you to adapt. See the "Multiple images - assemble into montage" part. The "xrandr" command reports on all the screens on your current display, and can be quite useful for querying its current geometry. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: production env linux??
On 10Jan2023 15:00, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 1/10/23 10:40, bruce wrote: just curious.. no flames.. for you guys who are sysadmins. what linux do you run in production? any reasons why you use the flavor you use/? I use Fedora everywhere. That keeps things simple and I like having the latest versions of what I'm running with little difference between the desktops and servers. For personal servers this might be fine. I'm looking to reinstall our home server (yet again grrr) and might move from Ubuntu LTS to their rolling release, and do more aggressive updates (I'm in update hell just now - appearently I can't upgrade any more and it's only been a year, meaning I can't upgrade to the next release). But for client facing servers, stability is very important. I was running servers serving an entire state, and stability far outweighed having the "latest" versions of anything. Security patches backported by RH is a huge service for such a platform. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: SSH problem
On 10Jan2023 18:25, Joe Wulf wrote: I don't know how to solve the problem but can confirm that I have the same one. From what I have deducted so far is that sshd in F36 and F37 generates new xauth token and replaces the old one every time new connection is opened. An alternative is to use a persistent ssh connection, reusing the X11 token from before. BTW, an incantation of: ssh host 'x11-client &' has some scope for dropping the ssh before the client hooks into X11 (thus keeping things open) _if_ the client closes its own output before connecting to X11. WHich on reflection would be vanishingly rare, since then it wouldn't get to report failure to connect :-) Shouldn't the new xauth setup be just fine, though? THe sequence should be: - ssh in - xauth setup on host end - x11 client connect, _using that new xauth_ I find the xauth scenario a little unconvincing because of this. I'm not in a position to try to reproduce things though. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: production env linux??
On 10Jan2023 14:54, Roger Heflin wrote: Redhat Enterprise compatible variant, mostly because there are security updates for a long time, most versions. And most paid support applications will only officially support RHEL variants or SLES variants (enterprise variants). We used to run RHEL for the same reasons. Stable and patched for long periods. The flipside was that the _supplied_ versions of software also remain the same. But you can always build/install modern versions for particular application needs (in a distinct area from the OS, of course). And things like Docker make running almost arbitrary Linux software on an old-but-stable release almost trivial. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: ls --color
On 05Dec2022 14:22, Patrick Dupre wrote: If I do ls --color=auto -lt "$@" --color | more BTW, what's in "$@" ? For example. and that the last displayed color is red, this red color is used for all my following ls That's odd, and does not seem like correct behaviour. Does it do it if you do not pipe through "more"? I can't reproduce this (Ubuntu 21.04 here, not Fedora). How can I reset the color setting? The --color is supposed to only control ls's decisions about how to colour the output. Does making the trailing --color either --color=never change anything? Have you tried something like: ls --color=auto -lt a b --color | od -c i.e. exactly 2 filenames, the first or second or which will be "red", and examined the ANSI colour sequences in the (now small) output? There _should_ be a "default colour" as the final colour sequence to reset the output to the terminal's default colours. That should be "ESC [ 0 m". Example: [~]borg*> ls -ld --color=always . | od -c 000 d r w x r - s r - x 5 5 c a 020 m e r o n c a m e r o n 8 1 040 9 2 D e c 6 0 7 : 4 2 060 033 [ 0 m 033 [ 0 1 ; 3 4 m . 033 [ 0 100 m \n 102 See the "033 [ 0 m" sequence? That is the one which restore's the terminal's colour output the the default. Cheers, Cameron Simpson Thank === Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire interdisciplinaire Carnot de Bourgogne 9 Avenue Alain Savary, BP 47870, 21078 DIJON Cedex FRANCE Tel: +33 (0)380395988| | Room# D114A === ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue -- Cameron Simpson (formerly c...@zip.com.au) They're not hiding, they're just selective. - overhead by WIRED at the Intelligent Printing conference Oct2006 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Can't unsubscribe from a list
On 27Oct2022 11:18, fs 3000 wrote: I keep getting mails from arm@ no matter what i do. I have tried sending mail to arm-leave@, it says i'm not a member. I went to the page and unsubscribed from there, nothing works. Any idea? Maybe you're subscribed under a different address. Examine the Recived: headers closely on an example message - it is likely to show how it reached you. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On 25Oct2022 17:26, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: As Pete point out earlier, that doesn't mean it keeps working exactly as it does now. Read his post for details. To be clear, I mean the post I pointed to in the head item of this thread, i.e. https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2022-October/msg00276.html I'd mentioned that threading's fixed in current Discourse, but I though I'd take some of the other points in this post from my perspective (email user, long mailing list experience, likes email a lot). So, Pete Biggs wrote: As a mailing list replacement. = We have been told that we just need to login once to Discourse and set things up, then all interaction will be by email and we won't notice any difference. Really? What planet are they on? Discourse does try to present a decent email experience. It is not perfect, but I use email instead of the web forum almost all the time. No topic tags on emails. So no easy way to filter topics. If you watch more than one topic, all mails are the same. Discourse divides a forum into catgeories and topics. Categories are the various forum areas, and topics are discussions (the topic is the `Subject:` line). You can see the categories for the Python Discourse forum here: https://discuss.python.org/ You can filter on "topic" using the `Subject` header. You can filter on category using the `List-ID` header. For example, my mail filer uses this rule: python discuss-users list-id:/ to file messages in my "python" folder with the `X-Label` "discuss-users", which is presented in my folder index in my mail reader (mutt). Own posts not notified of. It removes context for a mailing list. I keep copies of mailing list posts as a sort of private archive - mainly so I can see what I've answered to queries before. That's gone. Annoying, agreed. I keep a copy of my message in the source folder locally for exactly this purose. But it's something my personal setup arranges, not Discourse. Slow or sporadic email notifications make discussion difficult. I've found these fairly good, myself. Notifications using the app? An open Discourse web page? Your mail system as the email version arrives? No or broken threading on emails. This one is so annoying. Doesn't any of the people who use Discourse use threading anywhere. Context is everything. As mentioned, now fixed. Plain text emails sent to Discourse have formatting mangled (white space isn't honoured). There's no point in nicely formatting plain text, it will be mangled. (These indents will be lost - if I sent it there.) Plain text messages are interpreted as Markdown. Frankly, this is good! I can preserve code indents by marking code as such, either with code fences (triple backticks): ``` the code goes here ``` or by indenting by at least 4 spaces: indented code goes here etc etc which works perfectly. I use the latter. As a bonus the code looks like code and the prose is in a nice variable width font. (On the web forum.) Mails are really just notifications - there's no nested quoting of content to provide context. You can choose to have previous replies at bottom or include an excerpt, but that's not contextual quoting. As with ordinary email, this depends on the author of the post. Discourse has a feature where you can do a quoted reply; on the web I access it by selecting some text in the web forum and pressing the reply button. In email, I do a regular inline-and-trim reply as in this message. You can see one of my posts with here, composed from email: https://discuss.python.org/t/requesting-a-code-review/20107/4 Each email copy of a post has a link to the web version of the post at the bottom; I sometimes use that to visit the forum for context. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On 24Oct2022 22:36, Barry Scott wrote: I've been rebuilding a server recently with a fresh Ubuntu, and systemd has been a massive PITA. Gah! The idea's ok (parallel boot with dependencies and associated service up/down though a single daemon). We've all written them. But when it's going sour, it is remarkably unhelpful. To the point of wanting to throw the keyboard across the room. If you need help with systemd, feel free to reach out. I been building solutions on systemd for a long time and happy to help. Thanks, I may. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On 23Oct2022 22:25, Slade Watkins wrote: On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 4:55 PM Cameron Simpson wrote: These days I'm a big +1 for Discourse. From being a big -1. I'm not that huge of a fan, haha. I think it bring more inclusion for the web first crowd, while still being effective from the email side. It doesn't kill the former mailing lists; I'm still on the Python mailing lists, and my filer stuffs them all into my "python" folder anyway. It does have some issues, and I hope to discuss some of them with the devs. And yes, definitely raise those with them! Aye. I need to make a list and send them off in least controversial first order. In my spare time :-( Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On 23Oct2022 17:03, Tom Horsley wrote: Obviously the next step is to merge the Discourse server with systemd! :-) &^$*$^*$&^$ systemd. What a heap of (^&(*^&(&^ I've been rebuilding a server recently with a fresh Ubuntu, and systemd has been a massive PITA. Gah! The idea's ok (parallel boot with dependencies and associated service up/down though a single daemon). We've all written them. But when it's going sour, it is remarkably unhelpful. To the point of wanting to throw the keyboard across the room. Grumble, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On 23Oct2022 16:50, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: 2) In some ways many of us consider the Discourse platform to be significantly inferior to a mailing list. It does offer a mailing list interface but in several respects it is inadequate. I refer you to this post which goes into some detail: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2022-October/msg00276.html With respect to this item in that post: No or broken threading on emails. This one is so annoying. Doesn't any of the people who use Discourse use threading anywhere. Context is everything. This is fixed in current Discourse, and the the Python discussions are running the fixed version. The Discourse devs were _very_ welcoming and responsive once the problem was well described and the required semantic fixes specified. Maybe the RedHat instance would benefit from updating the version. As a long time antiwebforum email first person, I'm pretty happy with Discourse. I do use mailing list mode for most Discourse forums and work almost entirely through the email interface. Happily. Discourse brings some advantages: - email to email users and forum for forum users (many of the young things these days) - an app (whose primary benefit to me is reply notifications) - the web interface also does notifications - uses and renders Markdown for the text - this IMO is a BIG step up from normal email (I've little use for HTML email and plain text email _is_ a little less expressive than Markdown, which is as easy to type as plain text anyway) These days I'm a big +1 for Discourse. From being a big -1. It does have some issues, and I hope to discuss some of them with the devs. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: email tracking, is it possible in fedora mail clients?
On 14Sep2022 10:25, Tim wrote: Likewise (and no image loading by default), though I did once have someone tell me that I'd read a message they sent me because they had the receipt. They are a bit of a furphy. I may have glanced at an email, but not read it. I may have a received an email but not ever looked at it, or my server may have (there are receipts for them, too). Aye. I stashed this message in my sig quotes long ago: Netscape Messenger has displayed the message. There is no guarantee that the content has been read or understood. - reality check by Return-Receipt handler in NS Messenger 4.5 Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: opinions: backups
On 14Aug2022 15:22, Emmett Culley wrote: >I've been using BackupPC for many years. It can use rsync via ssh for >remote backups or rsync directly for local (LAN) backup. It can >automatically dedup as well. We had a client using BackupPC. Maybe for a single PC it works well. They were backing up several (well over 10) PCs to a NAS. It hammered the system in both I/O and CPU. Combined with some (old kernel) filesystem bugs, it would mangle the filesystem. It seems to do the rsync protocol _in Perl_ at the BackupPC end, and uses an elaborate hash-named file tree for the deduplication function. It needed a special web interface to browse/restore. It kind of works, but does not scale. Now we use histbackup (disclaimer: a script of my own similar in use and implementation to rsnapshot). The backups are MUCH faster and we haven't had the (again, ancient kernel) filesystem bugs at all. because even though we run the backups in series, it is still much faster. Basic scheme is: - a directory per target (machine:subdir) - timestampted hardlinked subtrees in each of the targets Hardlink the previous backup to a new tree for today's backup, rsync from the target into the new tree. rsnapshot does the same kind of thing and modern rsync even has a mode to do the "new hard link tree and sync" part of this as a command line switch. The trees are just... directory trees you can cd around in etc. We NFS export them from the NAS read only so they can be directly browsed. Because its NFS, the UIDs etc are identical and therefore people can't brwose stuff they can't browse in the live filesystems anyway. These days I use this script: https://github.com/cameron-simpson/css/blob/main/bin-cs/run-backups for my personal backups. I'm usually prepared to rebuilt an utterly failed machine instead of restoring an OS from backup. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Firefox - how to lose top bar / title bar - ?
On 13Aug2022 09:05, lejeczek wrote: >How to lose title bar in current version of Firefox. > >I have my user whose Firefox "profile" I kept for many years as Fedora >& Firefox kept updating - there I have no title-bar. >I sudo to another user and title-bar is there. >I tried to search through & compare about:config but I failed to find >relevant setting. I do not know the setting, but find the prefs.js file in each of their profiles. Diff them. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Is there an officially Fedora supported replacement for the old rc.local? - still an issue
On 18Jul2022 22:50, Peter Boy wrote: >> Am 18.07.2022 um 22:18 schrieb Peter Boy : >> I got it finally working. > >After some tests: It isn’t. > >The programs I have to start depend on the existence of some (virtual) network >interfaces. rc.local is ordered after network.target, which doesn’t mean, the >network is functional then. Therefore, the program start via rc.local is in >indeterministic process. Sometimes it works, sometimes not, sometimes only for >some. > >Documentation mentions a drop in at >/etc/systemd/system/rc-local.service.d/network.conf. But there is no >subdirectory /etc/systemd/system/rc-local.service.d/ > >Should I really mess around with vim and mkdir in the directories >managed by the distribution? Seems like a bad idea to me. Not to mention messy and annoying. I've got a personal script called "await" which waits for a condition to become true (by polling). If you can write a command which tests the virtual interface (maybe "ping -c 3 -q virt-addr" or checking for a route?) you could go: ( await virt-network-check-command-here start programs ... ) & in your rc.local file. Simple and direct. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: custom '.local' folder - ?
On 18Jul2022 12:05, lejeczek wrote: >Won't do for me - fails with any bit more "complex" case when multiple >nodes are involved and user landing on each such node would have >unique/different '.local' dir, having whole home dir net mounted. If the whole homedir is net mountd (shared from a central storage server, yes?) what does the .local actually do? Surely as things are it would be common to all. Or is that the problem you're trying to solve? If so, you really need to sort out some per-node persistent personal area. That might need a per-node custom solution :-( And /tmp might be too unstable for you. And you'd still need to get things to hook into it of course... >I was hoping (& expecting) that would be controlled via a env var but >it does not seem that way - which makes me wonder - that must the >software which knows/chooses '.local' internally or might ignore that >all rogether and use own path(s), if it is not the OS providing that >information? hmm.. It will be per app. There are some conventions, which is why all these things land in .local, but each app will honour them in its own way. I do not know if there is a recommended envvar to govern ~/.local as a whole. You may need to find a solution on a per-app basis. Note that your _should_ be able to fiddle the $HOME envvar. How well that works again depends on the app, but you'd hope that most things would use it in _preference_ to looking up your homedir from the passwd mapping. Then you can do a hack like: SHARED_HOME=$HOME HOME=$SHARED_HOME/.local-`hostname` export HOME SHARED_HOME in your startup. And then you can put symlinks in $SHARED_HOME for the common top level things (.profile, etc etc) but have a per-hostname .local. A bit inverted, and some things will doubtless not play nicely. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: custom '.local' folder - ?
On 15Jul2022 16:12, lejeczek wrote: >would anybody know if user's '.local' folder, its path & name are >configurable in some way? >Perhaps by a var or/and os-wide configs? Maybe not, but nothing stops you making it, or particular things inside it, symlinks to better locations. My local machine: [~]fleet2*> ls -ld .local drwxr-xr-x 3 cameron cameron 96 27 Jun 2020 .local [~]fleet2*> L .local/ total 0 drwxr-xr-x3 cameron cameron96 27 Jun 2020 . drwxr-sr-x+ 223 cameron cameron 7136 16 Jul 08:22 .. drwxr-xr-x5 cameron cameron 160 26 Jul 2021 share [~]fleet2*> L .local/share total 0 drwxr-xr-x 5 cameron cameron 160 26 Jul 2021 . drwxr-xr-x 3 cameron cameron 96 27 Jun 2020 .. drwxr-xr-x 3 cameron cameron 96 27 Jun 2020 direnv drwx-- 4 cameron cameron 128 26 Jul 2021 fish lrwxrwxr-x 1 cameron cameron 12 14 Aug 2020 vt -> ../../var/vt I keep a lot of things in ~/var, a lot of configs in ~/rc, yea, even to the point of: [~]fleet2*> ls -ld .config lrwxrwxr-x 1 cameron staff 2 11 May 2017 .config -> rc and machine specific configs in ~/rc-local. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: ffmpeg
On 20Jun2022 16:02, Bill Cunningham wrote: >Does anyone used or has anyone used ffmpeg to convert iso to mp4? I >have looked at the documents and they explain how to do everything but >what I want to do, so it seems. I do use CLI. That is the only command >I know that converts from CLI. In addition to what commands you've tried, can you specify what you mean by "iso"? Typically in these forums the term "an ISO" means a CDROM or DVD-ROM image conforming to ISO9660: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_9660 i.e. a data CDROM image. But I suppose it could mean something else. For example ISO 14496, which defines their base media format. But MP4 conforms to that! So, when you say "iso" what do you mean in fuller terms? Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: pympress
On 14Jun2022 05:57, stan wrote: >On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 08:11:13 +1000 >Cameron Simpson wrote: >> On 13Jun2022 15:07, Joe Zeff wrote: >> >On 6/13/22 13:51, Patrick Dupre wrote: >> >>Defaulting to user installation because normal site-packages is not >> >>writeabl >> > >> >That just means that you should have done this with root privs. >> >> I certainly DID NOT want it done with root privileges. Gadzooks! > >Doesn't that require a --user in the command? My understanding is that >without the --user, it tries to install in system libraries, >/usr/lib/python?.?? If you're not root, it can't do that. And I'm pretty sure the default has been a --user install for quite a while. >This is really problematic because it confuses the package managers, >and can end up with an unworkable system. Indeed. >Or does pip now default to using a ~/home/ directory as its install and >update location? I think so. Seems to work fine here. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: pympress
On 13Jun2022 15:07, Joe Zeff wrote: >On 6/13/22 13:51, Patrick Dupre wrote: >>Defaulting to user installation because normal site-packages is not writeabl > >That just means that you should have done this with root privs. I certainly DID NOT want it done with root privileges. Gadzooks! This should do a persoanl install of pympress for comparison and testing. Patrick: does the local pympress run? Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: pympress
On 12Jun2022 21:08, Patrick Dupre wrote:
>Following the instructions in
>https://libraries.io/pypi/pympress
>
>I did
>
>dnf copr enable cimbali/pympress
>dnf install python3-pympress
>
>But then,
>
>pympress
>[55bc9c452fc0] vlcpulse audio output error: PulseAudio server connection
>failure: Connection refused
>Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "/usr/bin/pympress", line 33, in
>sys.exit(load_entry_point('pympress==1.7.0b1', 'gui_scripts',
> 'pympress')())
> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/pympress/__main__.py", line
> 105, in main
>app.Pympress().run(argv)
> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/pympress/app.py", line 110, in
> __init__
>self.gui = ui.UI(self, self.config)
> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/pympress/ui.py", line 263, in
> __init__
>self.make_pwin()
> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/pympress/ui.py", line 339, in
> make_pwin
>pane_handles = self.replace_layout(layout, self.p_central,
> self.placeable_widgets, self.on_pane_event)
> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/pympress/builder.py", line 309,
> in replace_layout
>parent.pack1(w, True, True)
> File "/usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/gi/overrides/Gtk.py", line 1580, in
> pack1
>super(Paned, self).pack1(child, resize, shrink)
>TypeError: Argument 1 does not allow None as a value
>
>Any idea?
This looks to me like a GUI toolkit issue rather than a PulseAudio
issue: it is still setting up the widgets and I would guess that
"child1" above is None.
But that _could_ be the result of failing to connect to PulseAudio,
since apparently that failed too: there's an OS-level COnnection refused
message up the top.
Is PulseAudio running? Does pympress need to be told how to connect to
it?
I'm not in a position to test here; I'm on a Mac. I can install pympress
but it complains about no Gtk.
I notice that you've got pympress==1.7.0b1, whereas if I do a "pip
install pympress" I get pympress 1.7.2.
Have you tried installing pympress without dnf? Try:
python3 -m pip install pygobject pycairo pympress
That should install a personal copy.
Cheers,
Cameron Simpson
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Re: network mystery!!??
On 28Mar2022 08:42, Cameron Simpson wrote: >I'm wondering if you're worrying about routing when you should be >worrying about the port forward. Just to follow up to my own post, here's a description of my home LAN: public-ip-addr NBN-modem 192.168.1.0/24 | --+---+-- | 192.168.1.2 fw 172.16.1.1 | +-+-- | 172.16.1.6 home-server I can ssh to my home server because the NBN modem has a public address. The configuration required is: NBN modem: static route to 172.16.1.0/24 via the fw addr, 192.168.1.2. NBN modem: inbound port fwd of TCP port 22 to 172.16.1.6:22. fw: Firewall rule permitting TCP traffic to 172.16.1.6:22 from the public interface. Default route for the home server if the fw internal addr. Default route for the fw is the NBN modem internal addr. NAT happens only on the NBN modem. That's all. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: network mystery!!??
I'm wondering if you're worrying about routing when you should be worrying about the port forward. Routing: can the server ping, say, 1.1.1.1? Can other hosts at various points on your LAN? If so, your routes are just fine. Also, where are your NAT points? There has to be one on the innermost box with a public address, but is there one between your 10. and 192. networks? Hopefully the public router is the only thing doing NAT. Port forward: have you inspected the inbound port forward settings on the router (the box with the public IP address, I've lost track). You need one mapping inbound TCP to ws-public-address:443 to ws-lan-address:443. Can you run a tcpdump on one of the routers in the chain to see what happens? My local firewall's a UNIX box so I can do this there to watch any traffic between an internal host and the outer world. ANd of course what others have been saying: traceroute does not tell you everything: various nodes may not respond as needed, and it certainly will not be passed through to your WS server inless the inbound rule is wide open (all traffic types), which would be a bad thing. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: network mystery!!??
I normally don't top post, but there nothing I can meaningfully trim from your excellent detailed description. So I'm leaving it below. To your traceroute, route tracing (IIRC) depends on setting a max hop count on the outbound packets. When the hop count is exceeded, you get back an ICMP error packet indicating that the count was exceeded from the router which decremented the counter to 0. So to trace a route you send a packet with a max hop count of 1, and get a packet back from your router, and that tells you the router IP. Then you send one with a max hop count of 2 and get an error packet back from the next router upstream, telling you its IP address. And so on. Plenty of network routers do not respond to pings and do not return these error packets - they just drop the packet on the floor. These just show up as gaps in the traceroute, because traceroute does not receive the ICMP response from the routers at that hop count. So what you see below is normal. Don't sweat it. Here's an example from where I'm sitting to a host on a TPG network: traceroute to (14.203.40.46), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets 1 cskk-3g (10.0.0.138) 2.220 ms 1.824 ms 1.716 ms 2 * * * 3 10.4.37.50 (10.4.37.50) 31.144 ms 26.018 ms 55.897 ms 4 10.5.86.65 (10.5.86.65) 33.860 ms 34.792 ms 36.855 ms 5 10.5.86.72 (10.5.86.72) 49.968 ms 41.517 ms 30.999 ms 6 203.50.63.96 (203.50.63.96) 35.888 ms 34.900 ms 26.032 ms 7 bundle-ether26.chw-core10.sydney.telstra.net (203.50.61.96) 27.825 ms 31.547 ms 31.129 ms 8 bundle-ether1.chw-edge903.sydney.telstra.net (203.50.11.177) 28.825 ms 32.709 ms 35.956 ms 9 aap3461251.lnk.telstra.net (110.145.180.218) 30.886 ms 25.857 ms 29.599 ms 10 syd-sot-ken-wgw1-be-30.tpgi.com.au (203.219.107.193) 29.719 ms 28.821 ms 28.611 ms 11 203-221-3-109.tpgi.com.au (203.221.3.109) 33.221 ms 31.921 ms 203-221-3-45.tpgi.com.au (203.221.3.45) 40.022 ms 12 * * * 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 * * * Cheers, Cameron Simpson On 25Mar2022 19:29, Jack Craig wrote: >i have a networking mystery ; i hope someone might give me a clue. > >i am working to restore a web server to internet access that is failing >after att update >the att older modem (pace 5238ac) with arris BGW210-700. > >i have a static ip from att in the range 108.220.213.0/255.255.255.248, >108.220.213.121 is the external ip for the server. > >the bgw210-700 is the primary router/modem and is connected to a 3rd party >router, netgear nighthawk, > >the internal 10.0.0.0/ connects to the netgear nighthawk > >ATT's broadband configuration is > > Blackhole-ATT (wireless name) > > Broadband connection source DSL > Broadband connection up > Broadband network type lightspeed > Broadband ipv4 address 108.90.204.76 > Broadband gateway address108.90.204.1 > >outbound packets from the server (WS), are routed from the 10.0.0.1 >nighthawk to the ATT router to the internet. > >the 108.90.204.0 network routing from the att router to the att's gateway. >.76 is the router, .1 is the GW. > >sample route, ... > >10.0.0.101ws.linuxlighthouse.com (internal IP) 2 packets >transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1033ms >10.0.0.1 Blackhole-NH 2 >packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1018ms >192.168.1.254 Blackhole-ATT2 >packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms >108.90.204.76 att subnet (local router)2 packets >transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1002ms >108.90.204.1att subnet (remote GW) 2 packets >transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms >108.220.213.121 ws.linuxlighthouse.com (public IP) 2 packets transmitted, >2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms >108.220.213.126 linuxlighthouse (public GW) 2 packets >transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms > >now the mystery. where 108.220.213.121 is a publicly visible ip for the >server, a remote traceroute is wonky!! > >consider the below traceroute, it reports hops up to 108.90.204.76, >stopping there instead of doing one more hop > > > 1<1 ms<1 ms<1 ms Linksys35675 [192.168.1.1] > 2 9 ms 8 ms17 ms 142-254-236-209.inf.spectrum.com >[142.254.236.209] > 312 ms10 ms11 ms lag-63.tjngcaac01h.netops.charter.com >[24.30.172.49] > 414 ms13 ms13 ms lag-29.lsaicaev01r.netops.charter.com >[72.129.18.240] > 512 ms14 ms11 ms lag-26.lsancarc01r.netops.charter.com >[72.129.17.0] > 619 ms13 ms14 ms lag-16.lsancarc0yw-bcr
Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management
On 13Mar2022 02:17, Tim wrote: >How much trust do you put in gmail in getting this automatic >categorising correct? Me, not much. But my suggestion for writing a filter on a catgeory to apply a label was aimed at making the categories visible is IMAP folders for Neal's purposes. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management
On 08Mar2022 07:22, Neal Becker wrote: >I've never used evolution, but decided to try it. This time speed to >sync >was much more acceptable. But there is one barrier to using evolution over >gmail web interface. Gmail sorts mail automatically into "categories", >distinct from the mail folders that you can manually create. I find these >categories just too useful, and they are not reflected into imap folders. >Without this sorting, my inbox is too cluttered with e.g., Promotions, >which I would normally not bother with when using gmail/web. IIRC GMail "folders" are also its labels. Can you write a filter rule in GMail which labels messages in a category with a label made for that category? Then they should all land in a matching "folder" as well. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Evolution: Starting Over
On 26Feb2022 20:35, Tim wrote: >On Sat, 2022-02-26 at 00:07 +0100, greg wrote: >> I am not sure if there are readers on this list for these obvious >> things. >> Regardless, "you" above should not refer to me, if it does. > >It's the global "you," or "not me." So, "you" configured for the whole computer then :-) I suspect part of the OP's intent with the reset is in case he, or some earlier install process, had differing defaults in the global area. Aplenty of things install a global config, if only to make the available configs apparent. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management
On 15Feb2022 17:12, Barry Scott wrote: >Centos 7 is frozen to versions of packages from about 7 or 8 years ago. >The whole point of centos is to support old versions of software for the long >term. >It’s not my choice for desktop os because the apps are so old and hard >to get help with. CentOS and RedHat release stick with the version which came out with their release (7.0, 7.1 etc). That gets you stabilty, often wanted on production systems. Security fixes (and some bugfixes) get backported by RedHat. You only get new package versions (versus new builds of the stable versions) when you upgrade releases. Stability is the release objective for these distros. Fedora, OTOH, is fast moving. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management
On 13Feb2022 18:15, Ranjan Maitra wrote: >I am tempted to send your IPO soaring. What/how does your pop3 tool >work? It seems to have only 4 lines of code, but I have no idea what it >can do:-) "pip install cs.pop3". All the code's in there. https://pypi.org/project/cs.pop3/ https://hg.sr.ht/~cameron-simpson/css/browse/lib/python/cs/pop3.py?rev=tip The script is just a stub to call the module c0ommand line mode. >For the record, I use fetchmail on multiple accounts and then procmail. >Three cheers for local email! Aye. It is the correct path. For those liking IMAP, there are definitely tools to keep your IMAP in sync with a local set of folders, allowing local email and also IMAP access. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management
On 13Feb2022 12:58, c. marlow wrote: >How do you do that? When I tried IMAP, on this sat dish connection, >here in Claws, Claws slowly loaded the whole inbox and displayed >everything in the inbox. Ah, satellite land. Me too! >600ms ping times, best case (for geostationary). However, throughput can be ok, you just need to drive it well. That's what drove me to write my pop3 tool - things like ftechmail and getmail do synchronous fetch/delete steps per message. My tool stremas the fetches and also the deletes. Full speed throughput after the login step. Even over a 4G link it is far faster than getmail. >And every time I switched folders it took it a min to display everything >in that folder. The downside of serverside email, writ large. This is one of the reasons I like my email local. My filing system forwards "important" things to a distinct mailbox for my phone to access if I want an "in the cloud" copy. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management
On 13Feb2022 13:02, c. marlow wrote: >On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 11:11:15 +1100 >I've tried ALPINE before and I found it hard to use. >But I kinda liked it though. A friend of mine uses Alpine IIRC. Seems to like it. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management
On 13Feb2022 13:02, c. marlow wrote: >On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 11:11:15 +1100 >Cameron Simpson wrote: >> I read my email with mutt (a terminal based mail reader). It can talk >> directly to POP3 or IMAP if you want to leave your email upstream, >> but I use it locally on my laptop. > > >I've tried ALPINE before and I found it hard to use. > >But I kinda liked it though. > >I've always wanted to know, where does your POP email get stored if >you're using a email client via the terminal? Depends on the client. The client inherently has to download any email it doesn't have, so there will be some local storage. But in principle it can leave the email at the server. POP3's not great for that - there's only one serverside mail folder, not much state (I think you can mark things as read maybe - or maybe that too is client side). _If_ you're keeping your email server side, IMAP is a better choice. Most people using POP3 with mutt do not have mutt do the POP3 stuff - they collect it regularly from the server with a tool like fetchmail or getmail or my own "pop3" tool (which has a vast user base of 1, I think) and delivery it locally, either via something like procmail to spread the messages to suitable local folders or directly to some kind of spool or inbox folder for later refiling. Anyway, normally the collected messages are deleted from the server. Then you just run mutt against your local folders. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management
On 11Feb2022 12:15, fed...@cwm030.com wrote: >So I am just curious if there is any POP users still out there I use POP3 to collect email from my mailboxes and store it locally in my mail folders. That way all my email is here, and I can use what I like. >And what are some pros and cons switching to IMAP? Mostly that your email is effectively in the cloud (even if you run the server yourself) and accessible from multiple readers and locations (eg from your phone, from your laptop, from your desktop). Downside is that either your mail reader needs to maintain a local cache (most do anyway, if just for performance) or you can't read email when offline (eg on a train). >And what program do you use on Fedora for your email? I read my email with mutt (a terminal based mail reader). It can talk directly to POP3 or IMAP if you want to leave your email upstream, but I use it locally on my laptop. I'm on MacOS right now, but did the same on Linux when that was my desktop. And on Solaris etc etc before that. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Does it is better to '''python3 -m install the_program''' instead '''pip3 install the_program" when it is missing in the downloader primary ?
On 11Feb2022 18:31, Dorian ROSSE wrote: >Does it is better to '''python3 -m install the_program''' instead >'''pip3 install the_program" when it is missing in the downloader >primary ? That would be: python3 -m pip3 install the_program The version with `python3` is generally better because it ensures that the install is associated with your `python3` command - that way when you run a programme with `python3` the module is available. This is because a module is installed against a particular version of Python, and it is possible the the `pip3` you run is not associated with the same Python as `python3` in complicated setups. You will of course want to adjust `python3` to be whatever Python executable you're working with, but in the basic case that is just `python3` as you have in your example. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Interactive task scheduling (system) ? How do I run a list of tasks consecutively on a server ?
On 21Jan2022 10:39, linux guy wrote: >I'm using a server to run a bunch of simulations. By bunch I mean >hundreds. Each simulation takes from 10 minutes to 10 hours to run. All >of the simulations are run from the command line. Every day I generate >more simulation cases. > >I'm looking for a method/system/app that I can give a list of tasks that >will run them on the server, automatically, one after another. If you can define a task in a single line of text you could run something like this on the server: tail -f task_list.txt | while read -r spec; do run the task from $spec; done Put that in a tmux or screen session. Task submission is then just appending a spec to the text file: echo "specification here" >> task_list.txt Dumb as rocks, but effective. I've run simple workers like this. Probably "run the task from $spec" should invoke a shell script to run exactly one task collecting the output, logging the times etc. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: bash line feeds in a variable problem
On 19Jan2022 20:32, ToddAndMargo wrote: >into a variable > >X=$(curl -s ipinfo.io -o -) That is robust (well, it loses trailing whitespace). >But I lose all my line feeds when I >echo -e $X >How do I get my line feeds back? Quotes. echo -e "$X" Unquoted it is broken into "words" on whitespace, and echo prints the words with a single space between each. With quotes, echo has exactly 1 argument, the string in $X. Oh, and try to use $lowercase variables for unexported/nonconfiguration variables. But add tz says, if it is JSON, better to parse the JSON if you're picking things out of it. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Where is PATH stored these days ? Why isn't .bash_profile executed in F35 ?
On 12Jan2022 18:35, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >Running a new shell under the old one is always safe (since the old >shell is still there when you exit this one), and if you need "login" >behavior, "bash -l" gives you that. +100 for this. Ashamed that I forgot to suggest it. Thanks, Cameron ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Where is PATH stored these days ? Why isn't .bash_profile executed in F35 ?
On 11Jan2022 15:32, linux guy wrote:
>Comments below. Thanks for such a comprehensive answer.
>- when you start a terminal it may or may not run a login shell; this
>> can be controlled with the settings for your terminal emulator. What
>> are you using?
>
>Konsole. According to its settings, it runs /bin/bash when it starts up.
If that setting is a command string, try changing it to:
/bin/bash --login
>OK, so there is my issue. ~/ does not have a .bashrc. I has
>.bash_profile only.
I would put env settings in .bash_profile myself.
>> These days you can often get away with making every new terminal run
>> a
>> login shell. Look into that setting first up - it is the easiest fix.
>
>Doesn't appear to be editable in Konsole, though maybe I could specify it
>as a parameter to /bin/bash that gets executed at startup. Haven't tried
>that yet.
See above.
>Here is my .bashrc:
Thought you didn't have one of these?
>#
># .bashrc
[... stock presupplied .bashrc, seems reasonable ...]
>Here is my .bash_profile:
>
># .bash_profile
># Get the aliases and functions
>if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
> . ~/.bashrc
>fi
This is because bash runs the .bash_profile xor .bashrc (login vs
interactive, not both). So having your .bash_profile source .bashrc is
usually sensible. I do that last, at the bottom. Given that .bashrc is
for the "interactive" stuff I test $- (the shell mode options). My
~/rc/shell/rc mentioned earlier goes:
#!/bin/sh
: ${SHDIR:=$HOME/rc/shell}
case "$-" in
*i*)▸ . "$SHDIR/rc.real" ;;
esac
i.e. only both with all that stuff (and there's a _lot_ of stuff :-) for
an interactive shell (has the "i" option).
>> If your terminals run login shells, opening a new terminal will do.
>> For
>> that terminal, of course.
>>
>> Or you can source your .profile (or separate script):
>>
>> . ~/.bash_profile
>>
>
>Right. This doesn't seem to be working for me.
Odd. Try this:
set -x; . ~/.bash_profile; set +x
should show what's happening, or not happening.
Cheers,
Cameron Simpson
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Re: Where is PATH stored these days ? Why isn't .bash_profile executed in F35 ?
On 11Jan2022 14:15, linux guy wrote:
>I'm trying to add a few directories to PATH in F35. I'm embarrassed to
>admit it isn't going well.
>
>Where is PATH stored in F35 ?
In your processes' memory. Unhelpful. But it is _initialised_ by your
login sequence. Yes, being pedantic here.
>When exactly does .bash_profile get executed ?
1: Is your shell bash? (My interactive shell is zsh, by contrast.)
Echoing $SHELL should confirm bash for you, or looking in /etc/passwd.
2: .bash_profile (or .profile, if the former is missing) gets run by
_login_ shells.
On a text based terminal (eg the Linux console without a GUI), your
login runs a login shell.
In a GUI such as a desktop the situation is more complicated:
- the GUI startup does not automatically run a login shell (to some
extend because interaction or mistakes can then easily break the GUI
startup).
- when you start a terminal it may or may not run a login shell; this
can be controlled with the settings for your terminal emulator. What
are you using?
Shells usually have a login and nonlogin startup mode - for bash this
loosely means a login shell sources the .bash_profile (or.profile) on
startup, and nonlogin interactive shells source the .bashrc. The
specifics vary for other shells (eg zsh) but the idea's the same. The
exact process for bash is explained in tedious details in "man bash".
The basic idea is/was that you'd put expensive stuff which only needed
to happen once in the .bash_profile (setting $PATH, consulting some
summary information, etc) and interactive-useful stuff in your .bashrc
(setting interaction modes like command line editing, defining aliases,
etc).
These days you can often get away with making every new terminal run a
login shell. Look into that setting first up - it is the easiest fix.
I discourage you from polluting your .bashrc with complexity. Though a
lot of distros prepollute it for you (have a look at /etc/bashrc, often
a nightmare of complexity).
Personally, I keep my environment setting stuff in a distinct script,
which I source from my .profile. Here's my .profile:
#!/bin/sh
umask 002
[ -f $HOME/rc-local/profile ] && . $HOME/rc-local/profile
: ${SHDIR:=$HOME/rc/shell}
. $SHDIR/rigenv
LUSER=$USER; export LUSER
. $HOME/rc/shell/rc
Setting $PATH (and a billion other things) is done in the "rigenv"
script mentioned above.
>How does one get the bash environment reloaded without logging out and
>logging in ? $source ? $exec bash ? ./bash ?
If your terminals run login shells, opening a new terminal will do. For
that terminal, of course.
Or you can source your .profile (or separate script):
. ~/.bash_profile
>$env should include everything in .bash_profile, right ?
"env" shows the exported environment - that which is inherited by
subprocesses. Example:
foo=bah
PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH:/usr/local/bin
export PATH
$PATH gets exports, $foo does not, so env will show $PATH and not $foo.
But your local shell has $foo for whatever purpose.
Note that _inherited_ variables are automatically reexported. Because if
this, good practice is to only export $UPPERCASE names, and to use
$lowercase names for unexprted variables. This is because only
discipline controls the use of this namespace. besides, it also makes it
obvious which variables you expect to be local and which exported.
>Why doesn't F35 have ~/.profile or ~/.bashrc and instead has
>~/.bash_profile ? Does .bash_profile replace .bashrc and .profile ? Would
>bash read .profile if I created one ? If so, when ?
See "man bash". Bash uses .bash_profile for logins and .bashrc for
nonlogin interactive shells.
>What happened to .inputrc ?
The .inputrc is for controlling the readline library (used for
interaction in bash and various other things). Maybe the defaults are
considered nice enough - you can always add your own. Here's mine:
set editing-mode emacs
set blink-matching-paren on
set completion-ignore-case on
set completion-query-items 1024
set disable-completion off
set expand-tilde on
set horizontal-scroll-mode off
set mark-directories on
set mark-symlinked-directories on
set match-hidden-files off
set page-completions on
set print-completions-horizontally off
set show-all-if-ambiguous on
set visible-stats on
Control-w:backward-kill-word
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Re: mp4 to dvd
On 26Dec2021 16:22, michael hennebry wrote: >On Sun, 26 Dec 2021, Joe Zeff wrote: >>On 12/26/21 12:53 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: >>>dvdstyler might be a good thing to have even if it does not do conversions, >>>but right now, I'm looking for a conversion tool. > >On sourceforge, I was told that dvdstyler does convert mp4. If that turns out not to work, ffmpeg will convert many formats. You could probably script something to take what you've got, prepare it as a format dvdstyler can use, then use dvdstyler. Remembering that MP4 and MKV etc are container formats, which can hold video and audio in a variety of encodings. So saying "it supports mp4" is a vague statement, alas. Disclaimer: I've never used dvdstyler. But I convert video a fair bit in simple ways using ffmpeg. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: The definitive guide to replacing a disk in raid1?
On 24Dec2021 12:09, Gordon Messmer wrote:
>># install bootloader on new disk
>>grub2-install /dev/sdd1
>
>That looks wrong, it should probably be 'grub2-install /dev/sdd'.
>Additionally, it should be performed *after* adding the replacement
>disk to the RAID set, not before.
Is that true? My (blurry) mental model for this issue is that the boot
block isn't in the area maintained by the RAID, which is also the reason
that RAID1 doesn't automatically make all drives in the set bootable.
That suggests that you could do this before or after.
Can you explain what's going on here?
Aside: external ("hardware") RAIDs don't have this problem because they
present you a single logical drive - linux doesn't see the blocks
associated with marking the physicial drive RAID stuff, only the result.
So Linux/grub writes a single boot block to the logical drive and it
gets mirrored by the hardware RAID.
>(Note that this step is not required and should not be performed on
>UEFI systems, only BIOS.)
This also I'd like explained. Is this because the UEFI stuff _will_ be
in the area mirrored by the RAID?
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Re: Easy way to keep my F35 laptop and desktop computers perfectly sync'd. Rsync ?
On 17Dec2021 10:26, linux guy wrote: >These days I find myself constantly going back and forth between >working on >my laptop and working on my desktop computer. It is very tiring setting up >the same applications twice, moving files back and forth etc. > >I would like to find a way to keep my laptop and desktop computers >perfectly sync'd. Same applications installed, same setup, same files, >everything. There are a few aspects to this: - installed packages - personal files - dev files I used to maintain a small fleet of RedHat servers, and had a couple of scripts for package comparison: https://hg.sr.ht/~cameron-simpson/css/browse/bin/yum-missing https://hg.sr.ht/~cameron-simpson/css/browse/bin/rpm-comparehost You moight need to replace the command "yum" with "dnf" these days, but they should help. In particular rpm-comparehost has a --yum option to install missing packages. Personal files: I have a script "putacc" I use to drop my primary persoanl stuff onto other machines - this is config files and related stuff. It assumes you have a "primary" - for me this is my laptop. But given that, I routinely go "putacc host1 host2 host3 ..." after I've updated something. It uses ssh and rsync, so "host1" etc is just an ssh Host clause name. For example, if I record new account credentials in my GPG-encrypted key store, I go "putacc home borg" to put it on the home and local servers. putacc/synacc run from a core list of files (an "rsync --files-from" file) and a per-host list - the key store is only present in the home and borg per-host lists, not the other hosts. SO there's a limited degree of customisation available. I've been doing this for years. Dev files: Mercurial or Git repos. Then you've only got to go "hg fetch" or "git pull" in a work area before continuing and the updates from upstream will be pulled in. Finally, there's a bunch of pretend shared filesystem things you can use: 1: Things like Dropbox or SyncThing will sync folders between machines. Sometimes a little clunky. 2: sshfs: I keep a few things from the home server mounted on the laptop using sshfs. The files are not local, but I can cd in there and do things, and the changes apply to where they're stored. If you're remote with poor internet cding etc and editing text files works quite well still, doing things with large files will be infeasible due to bandwidth. If you've got a VPN you can use NFS and SMB/CIFS too. Sshfs is more flexible, though a clunkier approach in theory. 3: backups: I've got arun-backups script to back up specific stuff from a host to wherever. A combination of image backups (plain rsync onto the backup image) and histbackup (rsync with history). Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Problem with script
On 19Nov2021 20:42, Ulf Volmer wrote: >gxmessage relays on an X11 display. You have none in a session started >via atd. You're confusing this with cron. At preserves your environment. If he's still logging into his X11 session this should work. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: SSH with ecdsa key pair asks for password since yesterday on fully updated F34 setup (both sides)
On 13Sep2021 18:20, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > Thank you very much for your help! After hours on this, I finally > found > that somehow in some manner, my permissions had changed on my home > directory (by something I had done, I guess, that I am still trying to > track dwn) and which made the permissions global (for my home > directory). Which is not a big deal since I am the only user, but > selinux does not like it. So, the problem is fixed now. ssh does not like loose permissions either, as they mean your keys etc etc can no have been affected by a user other than yourself. It will refuse to use key files in this circumstance. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: NFS mount
On 31Aug2021 18:43, Stephen Morris wrote: >I have an old nas that is nfs version 1, and in order to mount it in >Fedora 34 I have to specify vers=3. Vers=1 or vers=2 wouldn't work for >me, the same may apply to your device. We've a PVR here and need to use "-o nolock" to mount our media server onto it (small machine, busybox, probably an old kernel). Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: scanner no longer detected?
On 03Aug2021 08:50, Cameron Simpson wrote: >I know the firewall complains constantly about this: > >arp info overwritten for 172.16.3.17 by 00:f7:6f:d5:2d:d4 on vr2 >arp info overwritten for 172.16.3.17 by 68:d9:3c:8a:bd:dd on vr2 It's the Apple TV. It has both wifi and ethernet and the same static address for each. Normal, like Samuel's setup. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: scanner no longer detected?
On 02Aug2021 09:04, John Mellor wrote: >On 2021-08-01 7:08 p.m., Cameron Simpson wrote: >>We've got a few unmanaged netgear switches here and have had some >>weirdness ourselves. I have lossely discovered that having my Mac on >>both ethernet and wifi at once causes the LAN to go sour. >>. . . > >Huh? Am I misinterpreting? The MAC is supposed to be world-wide >unique to each interface. As I said, the actual meachanism is unverified. We have strong circumstantial evidence that if my Mac has wifi on and I activate the ethernet as well, sometimes the local LAN wigs out. There's no router stuff here - access to other hosts on the same LAN stops working. Unmanaged switches involved, and power cycling a switch has sometimes brought order again. I conjecture stuff like ARP requests getting answered from the wrong interface, or something. I'd have to experiment with tcpdump some time. I don't have the same MAC on two interfeaces, but other confusion may abound. I know the firewall complains constantly about this: arp info overwritten for 172.16.3.17 by 00:f7:6f:d5:2d:d4 on vr2 arp info overwritten for 172.16.3.17 by 68:d9:3c:8a:bd:dd on vr2 I'm actually unsure what's using that address :-( Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: scanner no longer detected?
On 27Jul2021 15:22, Tom Horsley wrote: >Never mind. I rebooted the router and it works now. I've noticed >a lot of weirdness with this router (Netgear Nighthawk RAX200) >and routing between wired and wireless devices on my local network. >You'd think a top of the line router could get that right :-(. We've got a few unmanaged netgear switches here and have had some weirdness ourselves. I have lossely discovered that having my Mac on both ethernet and wifi at once causes the LAN to go sour. I imagine a Linux system might do similar stuff (I know from bitter experience that the Linux IP stack default behaviour answers on any interface for any of its IP addresses, causing hard to debug pain if you plugged in multiple ethernets to the wrong ports.) My theory (unverified as yet, but supported by "did you just plug in your ethernet? the internet's gone away!" complaints) is that the Mac answers ARP requests on both the wifi and the LAN, suggesting to the switches watching traffic that (say) its ethernet address is also available on the wifi, and/or vice versa. The local network topology is like this: fw desk-switch living-room-switch airport-wifi | +--- secondary-switch mac-ethernet This might confuse the desk switch about where to send packets for the Mac and seemed to have secondary effects for other users of the LAN (loss of local connectivity). I'm imagining the MAC<->port tables in the switches became insane. Now I run my Mac in wifi only or LAN only, and the problem has gone. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: unusual error from gzip recently
On 01Aug2021 08:40, George N. White III wrote: >gzip can store the file date in the archive, and (per >https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=950519) >supports dates from 1970-01-01 00:00:01 UTC through 2106-02-07 06:28:15 >UTC. As the Debian >bug report notes, gzip may be hitting a limit in the kernel or a library. Likely gzip has a fixed size binary field for the timestamp, which some timestamp value from afio's data is exceeding. Can you use gzip's -n option? -n, -‐no‐name This option stops the filename and timestamp from being stored in the output file. That might mangle dates on restore, depending on how afio does that. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Long wait for start job
On 17Jun2021 12:15, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >On Thu, 2021-06-17 at 07:20 -0300, George N. White III wrote: >> > The technical specifications of the drives should mention startup >> power >> management. There may also be some power management in the dock. >> I've noticed that it is becoming more difficult to find detailed >> documentation >> of add-on hardware. At one time you could open the box, identify key >> IC's >> and get the spec. sheets, but now you may find a general-purpose CPU. >> > >It's a cheap dock so probably not easy to find any technical >documentation. One thing I might try is to swap the two drives around >just to see if it's always the same one that causes the delay. On the subject of power as raised by George, I had trouble with too many USB bus powered drives on the home server. A powered USB 3.1 hub helps me out there. Doubtless it has its own limits. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: OT: diagnosing download problem
On 15Jun2021 09:12, Geoffrey Leach wrote: >Configuration: Fedora 32 with Netgear Nighthawk R7000 router talking to >Hughes satellite. > >Problem: Connecting (only) to Amazon, (any) page hangs attempting to >download (apparently) an image from images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com. >Download succeeds for a dozen or so jpegs, then it hangs. Problem >appears to be independent of browser (chrome, firefox) and OS (happens >on (gasp) Windows 7 also). > >Traceroute images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com shows the round trip time to >suddenlink.net around 2000 ms. That seems large. Is it always around 2000ms or particularly when this fails? I've a satellite connection to a geosynchronous service (Australian NBN SkyMuster) and ping times are generally in the 600ms-700ms range unless things are very bad. >So why am I bothering the list? It's Amazon's problem, after all. > >Question: are there any settings on my end that might be tweaked to get >around the problem? Is there any way to diagnose the problem on my end? I'd start with trying to separate things out a bit. Do you have a log of the image URLs? Is this tied to a specific URL? Do you run a web proxy? Bypass it. If you have a list of the URLs (up to and including the stall) you could run a series of _distinct_ wget or curl commands to fetch the images, and see how they behave. This bypasses persistent connections which might be maintained by a web browser (or a batch fetch of many URLs from a single wget/curl command). Thinking about a persistent connection going sour here. The problem with a persistent connection is that it only takes a single intermediate stateful router to decide to drop the connection state on the floor for things to go bad. Usually you should get a failure and the browser should retry though. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Long wait for start job
On 16Jun2021 10:17, Tom Horsley wrote: >On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 14:46:42 +0100 >Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> I haven't seen any errors, so it's probably a feature rather than a >> bug >> with this drive. > >I have two USB drives on my system, and one of them takes about >30 seconds to spin up. It is very annoying when I'm rebooting the >system but it decides it has to spin up the unmounted drive >before it can finish. I can understand the need to scan everything >when it boots up, but can't imagine why it needs to scan everything >on the way down. I've seen systems need to spin up drive to umount then - to sync the fs. Even for an idle fs the kernel seems to want something, maybe formally closing a journal or something? To test, do a sync, wait for the drive to spin down, then umount. See what happens during the umount. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Configuring a Fedora 33 system as NAS
On 15Mar2021 17:54, Tom Horsley wrote: >I installed TrueNAS on an old system (along with a ton of disk >space), it isn't as familiar as fedora, but it seems to work very well >and you get used to it after a while. Been putting all my videos >on it and running a Plex server in a jail. Our home NAS is also our local Ubuntu server (pick whatever distro you like). It's got a pair (well, 2 pairs) of big drives in RAID-1 - there live our media and other large things. It shares via NFS and SMB/CIFS. I do recommend, if you have the $s, to RAID your storage - it gets you redundancy on drive failure. While this means things stay up of you lose a single drive, more importantly it means you don't need to restore from backup after you lose a single drive; that is a huge boon. We like RAID-1 because either drive is standalone. Any can be dropped into a cradle or other machine without the RAID for recovery. We just use the md RAID stuff, no LVM etc. Our machine is an HP Proliant G8 - cheap, 4 3.5" SATA drive bays (not hot swap alas), a SSD up the top for /home and swap, and the OS on an SD card on the mainboard. How I wish we could still buy them. Plex: I keep toying with plex. I find it very frustrating. a) you need a Plex account b) it infers metadata (movie names, what have you) from filenames, which forces a particular naming scheme on you. A schema I hate. I have a whole script to make a parallel Plex link tree for that reason. c) No decent way to add (or present) better metadata. Once there were plugins but these days they seem unsupported. I've got metadata, but the best I can do is plex friendly filenames. I'd love to hear about your setup. We still play media on our PVR, which has the server's media tree NFS mounted on it. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Using a Windoze application
On 01Mar2021 23:45, Doug McGarrett wrote: >On 3/1/21 11:33 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: >>I have a Windows 10 application on a USB stick. I need to run it >>occasionally on a laptop that does not have Windows, but does have >>fedora 32. >> >>I could, of course, install Windows, fiddle the partitions, then >>install Fedora. Lots of work for something that would be used >>occasionally. To say nothing of the annoying rebooting. >> >>Any suggestions on a better approach would be appreciated. >> >Install Wine on your Linux machine. Then the command >wine windowsapp.exe should install it and let it run >when you need it. And if Wine isn't sufficient, there's always making a VM. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Ethernet port "bounce" command?
On 28Feb2021 13:41, Doug H. wrote: >P.S. I found a Belkin cable for $3.99. I like that name better, so >ordered it. >Belkin 3-Foot CAT5e Crossover Molded Networking Cable (Yellow) > >It seems worth the test and worth having such a cable. Aye. FWIW, in a former life the place I worked at made all our crossover cables yellow so that we knew what we were looking at. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Ethernet port "bounce" command?
On 27Feb2021 09:50, Doug H. wrote: >I am having an odd problem with my ethernet port. I assume this came >with a dnf update but that was some weeks ago so I can't help figure >out what update might have done it. When first discovered I think I >found that booting from an older kernel did not fix it. I assume that >the physical interface is not the problem since a physical "bounce" >always fixes it and it shows no other problems. To explain that... [...] >The simple fix is to physically unplug and replug the cable. When it is >not working (each reboot) there are not lights on. The physical >"bounce" lights up the LEDs and it comes right up. > >So, I am asking for something to add to rc.local that does the same >thing. Have you tried something as simple as: ifconfig enp5s0 down sleep 2 ifconfig enp5s0 up ? Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Virtual background for Zoom video
On 10Feb2021 14:17, Tim wrote: >The same kind of thing could be done by storing a still image from the >camera before you step in front of it, and always comparing it with the >current live camera. Zoom on my Mac seems to do this, but neater: no background required, seems to detect that I move and that my background is static. I'm surprised by how effective it is. - Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: I need help writing to the gtk3 clipboard
On 12Jan2021 11:59, ToddAndMargo wrote: >On 1/12/21 11:29 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote: >>See if it works, but there's also >>https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/gtk3-Clipboards.html#gtk-clipboard-store >> >>which might be relevant. > >Hi Sam, >By any chance, do yo know were I can find the structure >for GtkClipboard? Well, I went digging through the gtk source. There ain't no gtk_clipboard_store any more, and a grep on the type said this: [~/src/gtk(git:master)]fleet2*> agf GtkClipboard NEWS.pre-3.0 5465:* GtkClipboard 5525:* GtkClipboard 6751:* Add types for GtkRowReference, GtkClipboard [Jonathan Blandford, James Henstridge, Owen] docs/reference/gtk/migrating-3to4.md 427:### Replace GtkClipboard with GdkClipboard 429:The `GtkClipboard` API has been removed, and replaced by #GdkClipboard. 485:The convenience API for specific target types in `GtkClipboard` has been 488:| GtkClipboard | GType | So I'd say you've got a version 4 Gtk kit. You say you need help with the gtk3 clipboard - maybe your dev stuff isn't version 3? Here's the relevant bit: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/blob/master/docs/reference/gtk/migrating-3to4.md#replace-gtkclipboard-with-gdkclipboard The architectural issue you're dealing with (aside from the API change) is that a clipboard needs to be stored somewhere. The basic X11 clipboard stuff stores it on the server in some global properties (there are 2 flavours of that, too, one with a primary and secondary clipboard and anthor with a ring of 10 buffers). For added fun, the clipboard is owned by a particular X11 client - when the client goes, so does the value, in part for cleanup and in part because in principle the client is involved in returning the contents, as you're supposed to be able to indicate what kind of contents you need (a float, some text, some rich text, maybe an image) - the clipboard's a reference and the client supplies it on demand. From earlier comments in this thread I gather Gtk supports a special client which is a clipboard manager, which stored stuff for people. Possibly persistently (means, to me, over a logout/login or alternatively just beyond the life of the client the clip came from). Anyway, the above suggests the API have changed. See the web page above for the stuff you're meant to use now. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: automount requests
On 31Dec2020 11:08, Greg Woods wrote: >On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 11:04 PM Chris Murphy >wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 10:12 AM Greg Woods >> wrote: >> > pub.automount: Got automount request for /pub, triggered by 242640 >> (PT3122): 1 Time(s) >> > >> > I want to determine why this is happening, because the drive containing >> /pub (on a different machine mounted via NFS) is spun down when idle, and >> these events are likely causing it to spin up. My understanding is that the >> part inside the parentheses is the command name of the process that >> triggered it, but I don't know what the "PT" syntax means. >> > >> >> One of those should be PID. >> > >Yes. The format is "Got automount request for /pub, triggered by #PID# >(#command#): 1 Time(s) [...] >The problem here is that, by the time I see one of these entries and >investigate, the PID is for a process that is long gone, and I'm not >getting any useful info about what command is triggering this. Had you considered something like this (untested, and needs work): tail -F /var/log/messages \ | while read -r line do case "$line" in *'Got automount request for /pub, triggered by '*) ... extract the PID from $Line, do a "ps axf" and locate the process and its ancestors, write to log ... ;; esac done There's a few things to note here: - might be the wrong log filename - "tail -f" and "tail -F" (reopen the file if it gets replaced, eg by logrotate) have unbuffered output, getting timely response - I'm using the shell to read line by line, again to act immediately - filtering the "tail" with awk or something would buffer the awk output, meaning response gets delayed (likely until after PID is gone) Also, regarding your /pub automount: if you make the export from the server cross mounts (use the "crossmnt" option in /etc/exports) then you could make /pub itself be a small directory on some always spun up disc on the server eg / but put the _contents_ lower down mounted from other spun down discs. If you use bind mounts into /pub on the server you don't need to rearrange the source data. Doing that may isolate the spun down drives from /pub itself, thus deferring spin up until something genuinely tried to access the data in the spin down subdirectories. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Use iSCSI for remote /home?
On 25Dec2020 13:53, Richard Shaw wrote: >Based on the feedback, I settled on NFS for /home sharing because I >really just want to share files, [...] I just want to reiterate what Jorge Fábregas said: DO NOT use iscsi to _share_ a filesystem. I know you're not, but it isn't clear to me that you realise that this is a direct recipe for corruption and disaster. A filesystem expects sole access to whatever block device it stores its data on. Two systems with the same block device mounted (i.e. via iscsi) _will_ walk all over its data structures without coordination, and _will_ mangle your data. NFS or equivalent is definitely the go: you want _file_ level sharing, not _block_ level sharing, because that way the system managing "files" out of a block device is just one system (the remote system holding the device). An NFS (or equivalent - cifs, sshfs etc) mount is essentially a file based proxy to a remote mounted tree. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: What is the system call for time?
On 20Dec2020 22:26, ToddAndMargo wrote: >>>This is my fault for not being clear enough. >>>I can't use a "C" (time.h) library for what >>>I am doing. >>> >>>What I need is a call to something inside >>> /usr/lib64/lib.so.x >>> >>>And I do not know which one will give me the >>>time. Aha. Well, the "date" command loooks up the time. What libraries does it access? [~]borg*> ldd /bin/date linux-vdso.so.1 (0x7fffc3b5b000) libc.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0x7f1976012000) /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x7f197622f000) So that's where the libc library .so lives. I was going to suggest the "nm" command, which should access the symbol tables of object files (including executables and library files). But it doesn't work on my Linux box here. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: What is the system call for time?
On 20Dec2020 16:31, ToddAndMargo wrote: >I just want to read the time back from the system. Then you want time(2). From "man 2 time": NAME time - get time in seconds SYNOPSIS #include time_t time(time_t *tloc); DESCRIPTION time() returns the time as the number of seconds since the Epoch, 1970-01-01 00:00:00 + (UTC). If tloc is non-NULL, the return value is also stored in the memory pointed to by tloc. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: how to install "4K Video Downloader"?
On 11Dec2020 14:17, home user wrote: >bash.6[~]: youtube-dl -F https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JahX9hOfz5A >I put the output in the attached text file "output.txt". >If I understood things correctly, >"youtube-dl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JahX9hOfz5A; >will give me 1280x720 video and 22050Hz audio as "best". How is that >"best"? It seems that "best" would be 1920x1080 video and 48000Hz >audio. How do I get that in one file that VLC can play properly? Note that VLC isn't your only choice. I use mpv a lot myself. youtube-dl looks for a config in ~/.config/youtube-dl/config. Mine says: --cache-dir '~/.cache/youtube-dl' --add-metadata --xattrs --no-mtime -o '%(title)s--%(uploader)s@youtube--%(upload_date)s--%(resolution)s--id=%(id)s.%(ext)s' -f 'bestvideo[ext=mp4]+bestaudio/best[ext=mp4]/best' The -f option is what you want for control. It doesn't always seem to do what I want, but that is the section of the manual you want. The above often chooses a MKV download for me, maybe because of audio formats? For purposes of my DVR I convert MKVs to MP4s with: ffmpeg -i blah.mkv blah.mp4 >Another question: If I want to know what resolution was used to make >the original video and audio, and download with the result being that, >how do I do it? I don't know if the "original" format is a knowable thing, I just presume youtube itself doesn't upscale and that therefore the highest res should be the original. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: RSYNC copy -
On 10Dec2020 09:25, Mauricio Tavares wrote: >On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 7:34 AM J.Witvliet--- via users > wrote: >> And —progress >> So you see where it is, handy during bulk transfers. >> > And --partial For big transfers where I expect to restart an interrupted large file, yes. Conveniently the -P option means "--partial --progress". Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: RSYNC copy -
On 09Dec2020 11:29, todd zullinger wrote: >Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> You can also do a dry run to check: >>--dry-run, -nperform a trial run with no changes >>made > >For testing, the --verbose, -v option is very handy too. I >often run `rsync -avn ...` to do a dry-run and check that >the files/directories I expect to be transferred/updated are >indeed included. I find -i (itemise) better than -v these days. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange error with 'man'
On 08Dec2020 00:24, Chris Murphy wrote: >On Mon, Dec 7, 2020, 6:15 AM Patrick O'Callaghan >wrote: >> $ rpm -qd lutris >> /usr/share/man/lutris.1 >> [poc@Bree ~]$ man lutris >> No manual entry for lutris >> [poc@Bree ~]$ ls -l /usr/share/man/lutris.1 >> -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 1433 Jul 19 00:02 /usr/share/man/lutris.1 I think Patrick pointed this out already. That's the wrong spot for the lutris.1 file, it would normally be: /usr/share/man/man1/lutris.1 There's a little per section hierarchy under /usr/share/man. So "man" won't be looking at that upper level at all. Why the rpm is putting things there is unknown to me. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: locale LC_CTYPE wrong...?
On 03Dec2020 00:31, Iosif Fettich wrote: >After a fresh install of Fedora 33, I see occasional errors popping up in >the console, similar to > >$ locale >locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory >locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory >LANG=en_US.UTF-8 >LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8,LANG=en_US.UTF-8 This line looks very wrong. Normally $LANG is a separate environment variable. I'd say someone/thing has misedited wherever these values are coming from and folded the $LANG setting only the $LC_CTYPE line somehow. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Application-specific networking
On 17Nov2020 09:00, William Oliver wrote: >I normally use a VPN that routes through another country. This works >fine. However, a site I often use recently changed its security >policies and now will only allow connection from networks that claim to >be based in the US. So, in order to connect, I either have to turn off >my VPN or rout it through a US proxy or just my ISP -- which I can do, >but I resent it a little. My approach isn't app sepecific, it's domain/website specific. I run a local proxy (squid in my case) and route everything through it. I've got a persistent ssh tunnel to a US VM etc, with a proxy on the VM. Then I just configure the proxy rules to choose the appropriate upstream proxy for special domains (including "DIRECT" - no upstream proxy). "What a PITA" I hear you say. But I actually drive the rules from a simple text file. AN upstream proxy is defined thus: UPSTREAM1=host:port and a rule looks like: UPSTREAM *.wikipedia.org *.wikia.com Obviously, pick memorable proxy nammes. The name "DIRECT" is special in my script and turns into "no proxy". Like any ACL, rules apply in the order in the file: first match is chosen. I run squid via my svcd command, which accepts a signature argument - when the proxy rule file changes, the squid.conf ACLs get recomputed and squid is restarted. So adjusting the rule just means editing the file and waiting a few seconds for the restart. The rule generation is done by my proxy-peerage script, which emits acl definitions and cache_peer directives. I patch the squid.conf from that. My proxy-peerage script is here: https://hg.sr.ht/~cameron-simpson/css/browse/bin/proxy-peerage?rev=tip along with everything else. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Need help with rsync
On 12Nov2020 18:55, ToddAndMargo wrote: >On 2020-11-12 18:07, Samuel Sieb wrote: >>On 11/12/20 5:45 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: >>>I am trying to use rsync to >>>1) copy new files on the source to the destination I like -a for this. >>>2) remove all files on the destination that do not >>> reside on the source --delete >>>Problem: the extra files on the destination are >>>not being removed. >>> >>>Options="--recursive --verbose --delete --delete-excluded >>>--modify-window=5 --times --inplace --copy-links " Looks ok. Why --inplace? rsync has a nice make-temp-file-then-rename default behaviour which means the target file is the old file or the new file and never some partial chimera of the two. [...] ># UpdateMyCDs >Resetting permissions >Resetting ownerships > >rsync --recursive --verbose --delete --delete-excluded >--modify-window=5 --times --inplace --copy-links --exclude='wine-*' >/home/CDs/Linux /mnt/MyCDs/. _Is_ there something odd mounted are /mnt/MyCDs or below? As opposed to plain old Linux filesystems? >sending incremental file list >symlink has no referent: >"/home/CDs/Linux/KVM/virtio-win/RPM/virtio-win_servers_x86.vfd" >IO error encountered -- skipping file deletion What if you leave our --copy-links? I suspect a symlink pointing at something which doesn't exist. From the manual: ‐‐copy‐links, ‐L transform symlink into referent file/dir I imagine this involves repointing an absolute symlink to an absolute but adjusted symlink at the far end. Maybe what it refers to would not exist, causing trouble for the adjustment. I've never tried this option. Leave it out and see if it is the source of the problem. >Does "IO error encountered -- skipping file deletion" just >skip the file or does it terminate the command completely? It omited the --delete phase because there was other trouble. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: rsync and weird characters, Invalid argument (22)
On 12Nov2020 19:06, ToddAndMargo wrote: >How do I get rsync to recognize weird characters that >my file system is okay with? [...] >Keepers/Linux/Perl/Perl6/perl6.prefix:.txt >rsync: [receiver] open >"/mnt/MyCDs/Keepers/Linux/Perl/Perl5/perl.->.txt" failed: Invalid >argument (22) >rsync: [receiver] open >"/mnt/MyCDs/Keepers/Linux/Perl/Perl5/perl.HTTP::Response.html" failed: >Invalid argument (22) [...] I don't think this is anything to do with characters. Looks like your rsyncing to a CDROM. Is that even sane? Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Oh God! More helpful software :-).
On 09Nov2020 22:47, Tom H wrote: >On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 10:22 PM Cameron Simpson >wrote: >> Dunno, but maybe you can disable what it measures. Do your xterms >> make entries in wtmp (listed by "w" and "who")? Is so, ISTR that >> xterm has an option to not do that (look for "wtmp" in the manual >> IIRC). See if disabling that helps. > >"w" and "who" look at "/var/run/utmp". > >"last" looks at "/var/log/wtmp". Thank you for this correction, brain fade on my part. >You can use "xterm*utmpInhibit: true" in "~/.Xresources" to prevent >xterm from updating utmp. But it's hard to believe that this is what's >messing with the other Tom H's system. Maybe... Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Oh God! More helpful software :-).
On 08Nov2020 11:13, Dave Stevens wrote: >On Sat, 7 Nov 2020 17:28:01 -0800 >jdow wrote: > > >and then others wrote >"The current console user is generally allowed to reboot the system." > >why?? isn't that a giant security hole? just from mistakes, not to >mention malice. Cannot the console user type Ctrl-Alt-Del anyway? So I'm not sure this is of itself a security hole. Except in as much as it relies of software correctly deducing the physical presence of the console user at the console, and mucking that up would indeed be a security hole. So I think of itself it seems half legit, but it increases the attack surface. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Oh God! More helpful software :-).
On 07Nov2020 17:28, jdow wrote: >On 20201107 16:47:03, Samuel Sieb wrote: >>On 11/7/20 3:16 PM, jdow wrote: >>>On 20201107 13:21:47, Cameron Simpson wrote: >>>>On 06Nov2020 21:50, Tom Horsley wrote: >>>>>For as long as I can remember I've run dnf update in a root >>>>>xterm and when all the akmod activity and wot-not is finished, >>>>>I've run reboot from another terminal. >>>>> >>>>>Now, it won't reboot "because root is logged in". [...] >>I think you're misunderstanding. A root user is logged in and he's >>trying to reboot using his normal user. The current console user is >>generally allowed to reboot the system. > >Thank you. That detail was not part of the context included. I'll go >back to sleep now. I think it was implicit, or inferrable. But I also missed this nuance. Thanks Samuel, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Oh God! More helpful software :-).
On 06Nov2020 21:50, Tom Horsley wrote: >For as long as I can remember I've run dnf update in a root >xterm and when all the akmod activity and wot-not is finished, >I've run reboot from another terminal. > >Now, it won't reboot "because root is logged in". > >Gah! Who cares if root is logged in? > >Can I disable this helpful feature any way? Dunno, but maybe you can disable what it measures. Do your xterms make entries in wtmp (listed by "w" and "who")? Is so, ISTR that xterm has an option to not do that (look for "wtmp" in the manual IIRC). See if disabling that helps. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: tool to backup/restore just ACLs, xattrs, selinux context, etc?
On 06Nov2020 02:17, Tim wrote: >I'm not sure what special attributes you're concerned about, though. >If you're backing up personal data files, they don't tend to have >*special* attributes. There's lots of scope for using xattrs for tagging. But it also souldn't like the OP may have a backup system for bulk archives which doesn't honour all the fiddly weird stuff and wants a way to apply that after a restore (or to quickly reapply after some process which is known to damage it). Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Maildir vs. mh folders?
On 20Oct2020 10:58, Samuel Sieb wrote: >On 10/20/20 10:52 AM, Todd Zullinger wrote: >>While tac is handy (and amusingly named), I don't think it's >>what you want. The reason is that the find output order >>isn't deterministic. It's in the directory entry order, >>which depends on when the directories were created. [...] >I can't imagine how it could work like that. It has to go recursively >so it will *always* find the parent directory first. How could a >subdirectory possibly be created before its parent directory? WRT to the recursion side, yes, you're right. But at a particular level the names won't necessarily come out in lexical order (the come out in directory entry order), so a sort is often useful anyway. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Maildir vs. mh folders?
On 19Oct2020 08:22, Ranjan Maitra wrote: >OK, thanks! I have subfolders inside my Mail directory as follows: > >Mail/inbox >Mail/Sent >Mail/Drafts >Mail/research >Mail/research/user1 >Mail/research/user2 > >etc, so my real question is with Mail/research which has both mail messages as >well as a sub-folder inside. Of course, I can change it but wanted to also >know if that is possible to have both messages and subfolders with mutt (say) >and Maildir. Mutt should be fine - it doens't care about your directory structure, only what format to use for the folder you're looking at right now. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Maildir vs. mh folders?
On 17Oct2020 20:48, Ranjan Maitra wrote: >On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 11:41:05 +1030 Tim via users > wrote: > >> On Fri, 2020-10-16 at 08:35 -0500, Ranjan Maitra wrote: >> > According to this post here: https://www.systoolsgroup.com/maildir/ t >> > he filename has this "gator3018.hostgator.com" which I presume comes >> > from the hostname. How do I get this changed to something else >> > (unique, but not to the hostname)? Is this where mutt or procmail is >> > to be told to do this, how? >> >> I want to ask: Why do you care what the filenames are (that they have >> hostnames in them)? I was wondering this myself. I was imagining some aesthetic issue. >> The mail client and server certainly doesn't care, it just needs unique >> names. So if you can get mail files from machine A onto machine B, >> it'll just use them however they're named. They don't need to have the >> same filename as its hostname. > >Thanks, would it not matter if there is a combination of files in the two >folders? I don't know, that is why I am asking. Doesn't matter. They just have to be unique and have a legal ,flags suffix. I've got a mix myself (historical change of the things writing messages). I'm having trouble getting at the qmail.org site, but on Wikipedia this section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maildir#Technical_operation describes the filename components which may be used to assemble a unique name. >> Trying to change maildir filenames requires care, so you don't break >> the mail system. And you use a mail client to read your messages, it >> gives you an interface where you don't need to know the filenames that >> it's making use of. > >There is one approach and that is set LD_PRELOAD to set the hostname as >localhost.localdomain from this example in: >https://catonmat.net/simple-ld-preload-tutorial >But if it does not matter, then I do not need to worry at all. I wouldn't worry, myself. The hostname component is useful for when mulitple hosts might be writing into the Maildir (eg over NFS to a shared spool). For a single host Maildir it isn't necessary. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Maildir vs. mh folders?
On 17Oct2020 08:29, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
>On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 20:23:37 +1100 Cameron Simpson wrote:
>> I think I'd still be using FVWM - I had a nice setup with no window titles or
>> borders and keyboard driven layout/positioning, many desktops indexed by name
>> with supporting scripts to make new ones ("nd TASKNAME" => new desktop and
>> new menu item), etc. [...]
>
>Thanks, Cameron! I just checked at fvwm.org and it appears that fvwm is still
>back under active development (with a v3 apparently in the works). However, I
>have to say that openbox (and even pekwm) have been pretty good to me.
I'll try to keep them in mind for when I next use an X11 desktop.
>Btw, can I get your filer? It turns out that procmail does not allow the
>format of a Maildir file to be changed. One option is to figure out setting
>the hostname env for procmailrc (and mutt) to say localhost.localdomain (that
>name would be generic enough to be common across machines) or give up and
>continue with the MH format (though in that case, I need to figure out what is
>in a .mh_sequence in order for a mail-monitoring program -- originally xbuffy
>-- I spent days/weeks modified for sylpheed to work).
>
>But I am interested in your filer script for curiosity's sake also. I looked
>around your bin pages but could not easily figure out which one it was: of
>course, it may not also be there.
You want the "mailfiler" script in my bin directory, but that is only a
stub which invokes the Python cs.app.mailfiler module. The easiest way
to get that is:
pip install cs.app.mailfiler
which should also get you a "mailfiler" command in the Python bin directory.
The source code is here:
https://hg.sr.ht/~cameron-simpson/css/browse/lib/python/cs/app/mailfiler.py?rev=tip
https://hg.sr.ht/~cameron-simpson/css/browse/lib/python/cs/app/mailfiler.1.md?rev=tip
https://hg.sr.ht/~cameron-simpson/css/browse/lib/python/cs/app/mailfiler.5.md?rev=tip
being the code, the command line man page and the rules syntax man page
respectively.
You'll see that the rules syntax is far more succinct and readable than
procmail's.
It does require some setup, and if you bother to try it I'd be interested
to know how that plays out and might be improved, because it doubtless
has an assortment of assumed things about my personal environment.
The basic command is "mailfiler monitor", which watches a set of
Maildirs as incoming mail spools, and applies per spool folder rules to
each message which arrives. So you fetch mail into the spool folder, and
the daemon files from theere, separately from the mail fetcher.
Like you, I have a few mail identities - my main personal one and some
workplace ones - I fetch each into distinct spool folders basic so that
they can get a ittle per-workplace cross filing, then copy them all
additionally into my "spool-in", where my main rules live.
Cheers,
Cameron Simpson
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Re: OT: Maildir vs. mh folders?
On 16Oct2020 21:11, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
>Btw, I also noticed that you use(d) fvwm. I used that for a long time,
>switching to openbox (with bouts of pekwm) about 10 years ago.
I think I'd still be using FVWM - I had a nice setup with no window titles or
borders and keyboard driven layout/positioning, many desktops indexed by name
with supporting scripts to make new ones ("nd TASKNAME" => new desktop and
new menu item), etc.
I've been on a Mac for several years these days, and I'd be missing iterm3
greatly if I were back on an X11 desktop. A keyboard driven window manager
(Divvy for me), autohiding menu bar and dock, and minimalist iTerm3 setup
gets me a setup pretty much as seamless as my FVWM setup.
Example FVWM screenshot:
http://fvwm.sourceforge.net/screenshots/desktops/Cameron_Simpson-desk-2560x1024/screenshot.jpg?theme=plain
http://fvwm.sourceforge.net/screenshots/desktops/index.php?num=50=plain
Cheers,
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Re: OT: Maildir vs. mh folders?
On 16Oct2020 20:40, Ranjan Maitra wrote: >> >So, in this code, there is a command called ismhdir -- where does this come >> >from? Is there something missing here? (I think it also shows up in your >> >newer code.) >> >> Oh, there's probably a few of my scripts in that one. They're all >> available from the same URL (go up to the bin/ URL). Or I can ship you a >> tarball or you can clone the repo, whatever you find easy. > >No, thanks, I got it. Wow, you have a lot of scripts: some more may be useful. > >So, I tried your code: > > cd ~/mail > for mhdir in [a-z]*; do (set -x; mh2maildir "$mhdir") || break; done > >But it only did the first folder and quit: I was thinking that it would go >through the whole list of folders and sub-folders. The above for-loop quits if mh2maildir exits nonzero (some error). That way I get to debug without frying every following folder. Or digging the error output of a lot of other successful output. >I did get the following warning: > >procmail: Couldn't chdir to "" > >However, it appended the hostname. I looked at the script, but I could not >figure out where this comes in from: is it the default in the procmail? Maybe you have no $MAILDIR envvar? Just guessing. That is an old script, and doesn't abort on unset envvars like my recent ones do. The script writes a procmailrc file like this: MAILDIR=$MAILDIR DEFAULT=$mhdir/ LOGFILE=$LOGDIR/procmail I presume procmail expects $MAILDIR to exist? Invoke the script like this: sh -uex /path/to/mh2maildir your-mh-folder and see what the output looks like. That will show you what is happening in more detail. >Perhaps I should try the newer version, but am a little confused with how to >make it convert the mh to mhdir? > >Do I simply set set mbox_type=maildir in my .muttrc? Nah, it isn't using mutt. It sets $DEFAULT to $mhdir/, and that trailing slash says to treat $mhdir as a Maildir. The script moves the original MH folder to $mhdir-mh and makes an empty $mhdir to be the new Maildir. It looks like it expected procmail to make the tmp/new/cur subdirs. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Maildir vs. mh folders?
On 17Oct2020 11:37, Cameron Simpson wrote:
>>Yes, I can switch to getmail but I honestly don't know how much a learning
>>curve that would be. Or are you recommending that I use getmail and then mutt
>>on that (instead of procmail)?
Oh, and getmail doesn't replace procmail, it replaces fetchmail. You
still need a message filer.
I can't offhand remember why I because unhappy with fetchmail (which I was
using). It may be because it will only deliver to SMTP/LMTP or a delivery
programme like fetchmail; when I left procmail for my own mail filer I
wanted to deliver directly to a Maildir folder ("spool"), which is
monitored by the mailfiler daemon.
Cheers,
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Re: OT: Maildir vs. mh folders?
On 16Oct2020 18:53, Ranjan Maitra wrote: >> >Thanks very much for this! I will try it out, but it appears to be for >> >individual folders, is that correct? So, I will maybe write a script to >> >call it. >> >> Yes. I just wrote a for loop on the command line. Something like: >> >> cd ~/mail >> for mhdir in [a-z]*; do (set -x; mh2maildir "$mhdir") || break; done > >So, in this code, there is a command called ismhdir -- where does this come >from? Is there something missing here? (I think it also shows up in your newer >code.) Oh, there's probably a few of my scripts in that one. They're all available from the same URL (go up to the bin/ URL). Or I can ship you a tarball or you can clone the repo, whatever you find easy. >> Yep. But the conversion is pretty trivial. Mutt autodetects the folder >> type. If a file, mbox. If a dir with tmp,new,cur, a Maildir. Probably MH >> otherwise. >> >> So provided you _make_ an empty Maildir (mkdir $d $d/tmp $d/new $d/cur) >> mutt will deliver into it correctly - no special modes. You only need to >> instruct mutt when _it_ creates the mail folder, by setting: >> >> set mbox_type=maildir >> >> as your preference for new folders. > >My apologies, so my plan is to first get the change from MH to Maildir done >and then start fetchmail/procmail to add to those folders after running it >through sylfilter (which I package for Fedora) and then fire mutt up after >that for reading/responding, etc. Of course, I am not sure if it is worthwhile >to use sylfilter anymore given that it was integrated with sylpheed in the >training but perhaps I can still keep that. (I will deal with that later.) You don't need to "switch to mutt" yet. You can still use it as a conversion tool :-) Keep the previous MH folder there until you're happy the Maildir is a faithful reproduction. >Yes, I can switch to getmail but I honestly don't know how much a learning >curve that would be. Or are you recommending that I use getmail and then mutt >on that (instead of procmail)? No obligation to switch to getmail, I was just describing the tools I use for content. >I see. I do have a lot of conditions set by procmail so would like to try to >keep that if possible. Perhaps I will stick to procmail. But does procmail >handle Maildir according to any recipe that has to be set: for instance, I >clearly do not want the hostname in the filenames. Stick with procmail until unhappy with it. It will deliver to Maildirs, you change the form of the folder name. A trailing slash or something to indicate the format. [...digs around...] I think "folder" for mbox, "folder/" for Maildir, "folder/." for MH. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Maildir vs. mh folders?
On 16Oct2020 14:48, Ranjan Maitra wrote: >On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 12:14:13 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote: >> I run my own mail server, so all the emails are in my house which is >> local enough. I access my email from many devices, so this keeps them >> all in sync. dovecot does some initial email sorting for me and all the >> devices download the emails so they're available offline if necessary. > >Thanks :-) But my employer provides my e-mail that I need to use for >professional reasons, otherwise I would likely be making different/simpler >choices. Just a side note: in a former life my boss suggested to me strongly that I should separate my work and personal email. That has proven to be good advice, and I recommend it to you. Keep two accounts. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Maildir vs. mh folders?
On 16Oct2020 16:20, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >On Fri, 2020-10-16 at 08:44 -0500, Ranjan Maitra wrote: >> As I said in the other response, the reason for how I set things up, and >> that has worked reasonably well, is that I read e-mail at work and home, but >> the work machine is the one that I consider to be reliably backed up. It is >> also bigger in terms of disk. So what happens is that I fetchmail with keep, >> process e-mail at work using sylpheed and then fire up my home machine (a >> laptop) and fetchmail with keep from the POP server and the rsync it down >> (including the .sylpheed_mark and .sylpheed_cache). Then I work on the home >> machine, continue to fetchmail process e-mails, etc with sylpheed and when I >> am done (before I hibernate), I rsync it all up before I go back to work, so >> that when I go to the other (work) machine, I have the same status as I left >> at home/work. Of course, I need to be careful and vigilant for the reasons >> you alluded to. > >TBH I long ago gave up trying to juggle multiple machines and syncing >mail. I just use IMAP and let somebody else worry about it. In fact I'd >do that even if I was the somebody else, as I once used to be. People >say there are reasons for using POP, and perhaps there are for some >people, but frankly I've never been convinced by any of them. Local email lets me read and respond while offline, such as on a train. And it is so much faster :-) Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Maildir vs. mh folders?
On 16Oct2020 08:35, Ranjan Maitra wrote: >> >This may be a stupid question, but does this problem still happen if I use >> >fetchmail to pull mail and store messages in files via procmail? >> >> Well, it is an issue regardless of the tool. procmail may do the initial >> placement, but your mail reader probably moves messages around, if only >> from one folder to another, which is the same task (new message in >> target folder). > >I see, yes, that is possible, but I have not seen this problem for me. Perhaps >the way I have (inadvertently) used it so far may be the reason, or I have >been plain fortuitous. As long as they share an agreed locking protocol it can all be fine. >> >Thanks very much for this. I have found a tool that can convert mh to >> >mailbox: >> > >> >https://github.com/vuntz/mh2maildir/blob/master/mh2maildir >> > >> >It seems to work, but can not handle a second level of subfolders: brings >> >them all out as individual folders at the first level, so Ihave to fix >> >that. Also, I don't like the new folder names, seem too unnecessary for me. >> >(I was expecting to the old MH folder names inside my Maildir.) Also, the >> >mails get stored as something like: 1602799622.116065_21187.hostname:2, not >> >sure if this is the recommended way that files are stored in the Maildir >> >format. I was expecting to have something that I could have control over. >> >> Yah. I wrote one when I made this switch: >> >> https://hg.sr.ht/~cameron-simpson/css/browse/bin/mh2maildir?rev=tip >> >> Hmm, some years ago now, looking at the opening comment. And I'm using >> procmail for the conversion (!!!), so indeed quite a while ago. This >> script moves the MH folder sideways and makes an empty Maildir in its >> place, then delivers every message from the MH folder into the new >> maildir. > >Thanks very much for this! I will try it out, but it appears to be for >individual folders, is that correct? So, I will maybe write a script to call >it. Yes. I just wrote a for loop on the command line. Something like: cd ~/mail for mhdir in [a-z]*; do (set -x; mh2maildir "$mhdir") || break; done because I feared disaster. Easy as. >> These days I'd use mutt for the bulk conversion instead of procmail. You can >> see an example of that approach in this script: >> >> https://hg.sr.ht/~cameron-simpson/css/browse/bin/mboxify?rev=tip > >I see, this is for converting to mbox and needs to be modified for Yep. But the conversion is pretty trivial. Mutt autodetects the folder type. If a file, mbox. If a dir with tmp,new,cur, a Maildir. Probably MH otherwise. So provided you _make_ an empty Maildir (mkdir $d $d/tmp $d/new $d/cur) mutt will deliver into it correctly - no special modes. You only need to instruct mutt when _it_ creates the mail folder, by setting: set mbox_type=maildir as your preference for new folders. >> >I have to look into this some more. I am not sure if this is the standard >> >way to store Maildir format messages. >> >> mutt doesn't care - there's no "standard". There was a recent discussion >> on mutt-users with another user moving to Maildir, who had nested >> folders. He's still got nested folders, exactly as before. Just don't >> name a subfolder like one of the three reserved names: "tmp", "new", >> "cur". >> >> So do it how you like it. > >Yes, that is what I would like: I do not have any subfolders with one of the >three Maildir subfolders as a name. > >According to this post here: https://www.systoolsgroup.com/maildir/ the >filename has this "gator3018.hostgator.com" which I presume comes from the >hostname. How do I get this changed to something else (unique, but not to the >hostname)? Is this where mutt or procmail is to be told to do this, how? Not sure. The hostname is, IIRC, an optional component for making the filesnames; I'm not sure mutt offers any control over that. Here're a couple of names from my main inbox: 1386376685.65689_1131.fleet:2,S 1602208593.#2087M806900P64256:2,S The former has a hostname in it, the latter does not. [looks...] Hoo, the one with a hostname is Very Old. Likely delivered by procmail and spamassassin. These days I collect with getmail and file with my own mail filer. The code for making a new Maildir folder in the latter is this: def newkey(self): ''' Allocate a new key. ''' now = time.time() secs = int(now) subsecs = now-secs key = '%d.#%dM%dP%d' % (secs, seq(), subsecs * 1e6, self.pid) assert self.validkey(key), "
Re: OT: Maildir vs. mh folders?
On 15Oct2020 23:02, Samuel Sieb wrote: >On 10/15/20 10:15 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: >>It seems to work, but can not handle a second level of subfolders: brings >>them all out as individual folders at the first level, so Ihave to fix that. >>Also, I don't like the new folder names, seem too unnecessary for me. (I was >>expecting to the old MH folder names inside my Maildir.) Also, the mails get >>stored as something like: 1602799622.116065_21187.hostname:2, not sure if >>this is the recommended way that files are stored in the Maildir format. I >>was expecting to have something that I could have control over. >> >>I have to look into this some more. I am not sure if this is the standard way >>to store Maildir format messages. > >Maildir has all the folders at the top level with dots to indicate >subfolders. And that is also the standard filename format. This isn't strictly true. Some IMAP _servers_ require you to use such a scheme, but if you're not presenting the folders via IMAP there's no need for such a system. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Maildir vs. mh folders?
On 16Oct2020 00:15, Ranjan Maitra wrote: >On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 10:14:48 +1100 Cameron Simpson wrote: >> Mostly the races. >> >> To add, remove or flag in MH probably requires a locking mechanism while >> updating the message number lists (and correspondingly, allocating new >> message numbers). You also don't know an arriving message is complete unless >> it isn't numbered yet; I imagine an MH insert goes >> save-completely-to-tempfile, allocate-number, rename-tempfile-to-number, >> update-number-lists. A lock would need to be held over the last three >> steps. > >This may be a stupid question, but does this problem still happen if I use >fetchmail to pull mail and store messages in files via procmail? Well, it is an issue regardless of the tool. procmail may do the initial placement, but your mail reader probably moves messages around, if only from one folder to another, which is the same task (new message in target folder). >In my experience, messages have been given unique numbers in their respective >folders. (Of course, my MH is really not MH, but rather sylpheed-mh, since >they do not update the .mh_sequences but use .sylpheed_mark. Well, the requirement for MH is of course that they have unique numbers because their filenames are so named. The important thing is that delivery tools cooperate - more than one tool might be trying to deliver to the folder at once, and only one can work on the .mh_sequences or .sylpheed_mark files at a time. So: locking. Maildir lets you do this without locking because of the noncolliding filename approach, and the "is this message file complete?" issue by doing all preparation in the tmp subdir, before renaming the completed file into the new subdir. >> Maildir is race free. Messages get unqiue filenames (composed of various >> sufficently unique values combined), are created in the "tmp" subdir, >> and renamed into the "new" subdir. Read messages are renamed from "new" >> to "cur". No shared number lists, no locks. You only look for messages >> in "new" and "cur". > >Thanks very much for this. I have found a tool that can convert mh to mailbox: > >https://github.com/vuntz/mh2maildir/blob/master/mh2maildir > >It seems to work, but can not handle a second level of subfolders: brings them >all out as individual folders at the first level, so Ihave to fix that. Also, >I don't like the new folder names, seem too unnecessary for me. (I was >expecting to the old MH folder names inside my Maildir.) Also, the mails get >stored as something like: 1602799622.116065_21187.hostname:2, not sure if this >is the recommended way that files are stored in the Maildir format. I was >expecting to have something that I could have control over. Yah. I wrote one when I made this switch: https://hg.sr.ht/~cameron-simpson/css/browse/bin/mh2maildir?rev=tip Hmm, some years ago now, looking at the opening comment. And I'm using procmail for the conversion (!!!), so indeed quite a while ago. This script moves the MH folder sideways and makes an empty Maildir in its place, then delivers every message from the MH folder into the new maildir. These days I'd use mutt for the bulk conversion instead of procmail. You can see an example of that approach in this script: https://hg.sr.ht/~cameron-simpson/css/browse/bin/mboxify?rev=tip >I have to look into this some more. I am not sure if this is the standard way >to store Maildir format messages. mutt doesn't care - there's no "standard". There was a recent discussion on mutt-users with another user moving to Maildir, who had nested folders. He's still got nested folders, exactly as before. Just don't name a subfolder like one of the three reserved names: "tmp", "new", "cur". So do it how you like it. >One aspect of MH that I have liked is that I pull mail on two machines (using >fetchmail via a POP server) and they are assigned the same filenames >(numbers). Then, if I use rsync with delete, I can delete the corresponding >message in the remote machine if I have deleted it on my local machine. It has >worked like a charm over the past 15 years (I would say). Ah. This is a little trickier with Maildir, because message flags are stored in the filename. If you change the flags on both machines without an rsync in between you might run into trouble. With MH the flags are in the .mh-sequences file IIRC. You've still have an equivalent problem though - I presume you're excluding the .mh_sequences files from the rsync? Is one of your machines considered the "main" machine where you read and maintain email, and the other a backup? Or do you delete at both ends? I use getmail via a POP server to collect my email to my
Re: OT: Maildir vs. mh folders?
On 15Oct2020 11:06, Ranjan Maitra wrote: >Thanks, yes, I used to use mbox long ago, when I did not understand things >clearly, and I used pine then, but I moved to mh with the move to sylpheed. An >added benefit is in backups. I have never lost any mail on mh so far, but I >wonder if I am simply tempting fate by not moving to Maildir (I do not >completely understand the issues). Mostly the races. To add, remove or flag in MH probably requires a locking mechanism while updating the message number lists (and correspondingly, allocating new message numbers). You also don't know an arriving message is complete unless it isn't numbered yet; I imagine an MH insert goes save-completely-to-tempfile, allocate-number, rename-tempfile-to-number, update-number-lists. A lock would need to be held over the last three steps. Maildir is race free. Messages get unqiue filenames (composed of various sufficently unique values combined), are created in the "tmp" subdir, and renamed into the "new" subdir. Read messages are renamed from "new" to "cur". No shared number lists, no locks. You only look for messages in "new" and "cur". >Separately, I am still trying to figure out if there are still major >advantages to using mutt vs. neomutt. My advice would be: start with mainline mutt (because I know the maintenance situation is active) and consider neomutt if there's some specific missing feature you want (if neomutt has it, of course). But ask on the mutt-users list about features; some things are available and/or doable without always being immediately obvious. You can also try both - mutt, hmm missing feature, neomutt. You may need to maintain distinct config files for each, but they can share mail folders. Also, config files can source other config files, so you might have: .muttrc-common-config .muttrc .muttrc-neomutt with the last 2 both sourcing .muttrc-common-config and then adding a few specific tweaks. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
