Re: cannot ssh to localhost: Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic)
On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 08:36:22PM +0200, Frédéric Bron wrote: > >> -rw---. 1 egreshko egreshko unconfined_u:object_r:ssh_home_t:s0 398 > >> Jun 21 01:35 > >> authorized_keys > > > > Interesting, I have home_root instead of ssh_home. What does that > > mean? Does it mean that I created the .ssh directory as root, then > > chown it which is possible? > > I am totally unaware about selinux. Each time I hear about it, it is > > because I have a problem. I guess when it is useful, I do not see it. > > > > -r. 1 fred fred unconfined_u:object_r:home_root_t:s0 386 > > 2017-06-20 17:59 authorized_keys > > > that was the problem: > I removed .ssh, I let it be created by the system while try to ssh > localhost, then I created all the files again inside. > They now have unconfined_u:object_r:ssh_home_t:s0 context and I can ssh. > > Could you explain me what was the issue and how I could change it > without having to recreate everything? > > Thanks a lot, I was becoming totally crazy!! This command is probably the one you'd need: restorecon -rv ~/.ssh You should see output for any file getting relabled for SELinux. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Trying to upgrade to F24
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 03:52:30PM +0200, Antonio M wrote: > Alla packages are downloaded, but when I get the following warning: > Errore: Il pacchetto libmpg123-1.22.4-1.fc24.x86_64.rpm non è firmato > (unsigned) > > but it is not installed > [root@pcdesktop1 antonio]# rpm -qa libmpg123-1.22.4-1.fc24.x86_64.rpm > [root@pcdesktop1 antonio]# > > then > [root@pcdesktop1 antonio]# dnf system-upgrade reboot > Errore: system is not ready for upgrade > > How o I proceed?? You'll find this helpful: https://fedoramagazine.org/upgrading-fedora-23-workstation-to-fedora-24/#comment-469022 -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Posting to the Fedora message boards
On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 09:51:23AM -0700, Mike Wright wrote: > On 05/24/2016 09:46 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > > On Tue, 24 May 2016 10:53:01 -0400 > > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > > > later we hope to give > > > you the option to see more of what you like, and less of what you > > > don't. > > > > Like maybe getting the plain text message bodies rendered in fixed width > > fonts so code snippits and such come out displayed reasonably? > > +1 - especially since they may contain code or command examples You might want to file an enhancement request for Hyperkitty to add a feature for this. Maybe it could be a Javascript-y type feature, where you can click to see the message in monospace text. Monospace isn't as readable in the general case, so it probably shouldn't be the default. File issues here: --> https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Posting to the Fedora message boards
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 07:56:28PM -, Peter Gueckel wrote: > While a long-time user, I never liked getting all of the messages in > my email box, considering that only 5% or so are relevant to me. The > digest form has the additional problem of how to reply to a > post. Then, I discovered Gmane a few years back.I was bothered > somewhat by using a third party interface and, it seemed, that not > 100% of the posts ever showed up, depending on who posted where. It > has worked well for me, but I had to set up the news program, > typically knode, which also took a fair bit of time. Nothing ever > seemed satisfactory. > > This morning I discovered Fedora's own web interface. I never even > knew it existed!!! I think it could be the best solution > yet... although sometimes it seems slow. I'm assuming you mean Hyperkitty, for example via this very thread: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/EMTHXHLEKP3KAAEX3433KKKINLZAW4WO/ > What have you found to be he easiest, most convenient, etc. method > of accessing the message boards? This really differs by person. The great thing about Hyperkitty is it doesn't change the use of email for those who prefer that old school method. In fact, I'm writing a response to you right now on Mutt, my text based email client, where I read mail and compose replies. But I could just as easily login to Hyperkitty, and compose a reply there. There are also ways to rank messages; later we hope to give you the option to see more of what you like, and less of what you don't. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora magazine - interesting but bizarrely set out
On Mon, May 09, 2016 at 07:27:27AM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Mon, 09 May 2016 12:55:11 +0200 > Timothy Murphy wrote: > > > I'm completely baffled by the failure to offer an index, > > with links to past articles. > > > There's always googling at site:https//fedoramagazine.org/ :-). Correct, as well as in-site search itself. The Magazine is in fact a blog format, not a periodical. Therefore indexing would be somewhat counter-intuitive. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: fedup leaves me stuck between 21 and 22
On Wed, Oct 07, 2015 at 12:57:18PM -0400, sean darcy wrote: > On 10/07/2015 09:55 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > >On Tue, Oct 06, 2015 at 01:18:27PM -0400, sean darcy wrote: > >>running updated 21. > >> > >>fedup --network 22 > >> > >>Preparation seemed to go well: > >> > >> > >>[ 191.911] (II) fedup:() /usr/bin/fedup exiting cleanly at Tue Oct > >>6 12:26:25 2015 > >> > >>Rebooted. > >> > >>Died somewhere in upgrading. Is there any log of the upgrade ? > >> > >>No new kernel installed. Reboots into 21 kernel. Lots of dupes. yum upgrade > >>just give 21 updates. > >> > >>fedup no help: > >> > >>fedup --network 22 > >>usage: fedup [options] > >>fedup: error: argument --network: version must be higher than 22 > >> > >>Any help appreciated. > > > >I believe the upgrade log is in /var/log/upgrade.log. > > > >You might want to try this: > > > ># dnf --allowerasing --assumeno update | tee dnflog.txt > > > >If I recall correctly, this happened to me on only one system I tried > >upgrading from F21 -> F22. There I blithely did a 'dnf update' just > >to see what would happen. (It was an experimental system so I was OK > >with being foolhardy). In that case, the update just solved > >everything. > > > >However, I'm not fully confident it will work for you, but if you look > >at the output (dnflog.txt) you'll see a list of what would happen if > >you ran the update. Ideally, you'll see lots of potential updates, > >and very few potential removals (maybe old kernels, but make sure at > >least one is being updated). > > > >Based on the results, you can decide what if any data to back up, and > >then try it. YMMV, caveat emptor. > > > > Well despite it's name, upgrade.log only logs the preparation steps. The > quote about fedup exiting cleanly is the last line of upgrade.log. > > dnf thinks I'm on fc21. > > dnf upgrade > Using metadata from Mon Oct 5 17:27:37 2015 (1 day, 19:25:15 hours old) > Dependencies resolved. > Nothing to do. > Complete! > > So using dnf won't help. > > fedora-release-22-1 is installed: > > fedora-release-21-2.noarch > fedora-release-22-1.noarch > > > I think that's why fedup has the machine at fc22. > > What about erasing fedora-release-22-1.noarch and rerunning fedup? What happens if you add '--releasever 22' to the options in the command I had above? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: fedup leaves me stuck between 21 and 22
On Tue, Oct 06, 2015 at 01:18:27PM -0400, sean darcy wrote: > running updated 21. > > fedup --network 22 > > Preparation seemed to go well: > > > [ 191.911] (II) fedup:() /usr/bin/fedup exiting cleanly at Tue Oct > 6 12:26:25 2015 > > Rebooted. > > Died somewhere in upgrading. Is there any log of the upgrade ? > > No new kernel installed. Reboots into 21 kernel. Lots of dupes. yum upgrade > just give 21 updates. > > fedup no help: > > fedup --network 22 > usage: fedup [options] > fedup: error: argument --network: version must be higher than 22 > > Any help appreciated. I believe the upgrade log is in /var/log/upgrade.log. You might want to try this: # dnf --allowerasing --assumeno update | tee dnflog.txt If I recall correctly, this happened to me on only one system I tried upgrading from F21 -> F22. There I blithely did a 'dnf update' just to see what would happen. (It was an experimental system so I was OK with being foolhardy). In that case, the update just solved everything. However, I'm not fully confident it will work for you, but if you look at the output (dnflog.txt) you'll see a list of what would happen if you ran the update. Ideally, you'll see lots of potential updates, and very few potential removals (maybe old kernels, but make sure at least one is being updated). Based on the results, you can decide what if any data to back up, and then try it. YMMV, caveat emptor. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: fragile Live Fedora ? Device-mapper Snapshot vs. Layered Fs solution (AUFS or Overlayfs)
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 06:37:32PM +, Olivia wrote: [...] Thanks to the community folks who caught this and mailed the list owners. Kevin moderated the account. Hopefully as we migrate this and other lists to Mailman 3 we can make use of some more advanced protection against these goofballs. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: End of 32-bit support?
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 06:00:28PM +0100, poma wrote: On 28.01.2015 17:17, Matthew Miller wrote: On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 08:37:59AM +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Hatters, or from Red Hatters working in their spare time. (Of course, as RH often does, many of the high-output contributors end up applying for and getting RH jobs, skewing the picture.) Well, I am observing quite a few people from major enterprises (RH business partners?) who are working on secondary archtectures, but I've very rarely (I don't recall any such incident) tripped over community folks who are working on them. Sometimes Red Hat business partners, but that doesn't mean that it's at Red Hat's direction. Overall, this is one of the few areas where we have money and paid effort flowing into the project that *isn't* coming from Red Hat, and I don't think that's a bad thing. These are community folks too, at least if we're doing it right. Additionally, I'm not privy to Red Hat's architecture strategy, but as far as I know, 32 bit ARM — currently our only primary non-x86 arch! — is not of particular corporate interest. It's obvious to me the aarch64 is RH's business interest. But aarch64 and 32-bit arm are _completely_ different architectures. I also think it's a little unfair to frame this as a conflict, overall. It may be the case that Red Hat is less interested in paying people to work on 32-bit x86 (although I don't actually know that to be a fact). But this is just like any other contributor to the community — you can't make people do work they're not interested in. Right, but that's not my point: My points are: - I once more feel pushed/tossed around by RH's interest and RH-Fedora-people who obviously don't properly separate RH and Community. I can't argue with feelings, but I also am not really sure what separation you're looking for here and how it would affect this. - Support for i386 falls out as a by-product at almost Zero-costs of the existing process. I don't think that's true at all. It signficantly increases QA load, and we're struggling a lot with release engineering being able to cope with Fedora at its current scale. Cutting back here has an clear benefit (whether or not it's significant enough to outweigh the other wide isn't settled, of course). More significantly, the Fedora kernel team tells me that _they_ don't feel like they have the resources to really honestly support the 32-bit kernel — and the rest all falls out from that. You write as if you - Fedora/Red Hat lack people capable of maintaining the kernel as if it were something special - they are not kernel developers. What Josh works except to maintains the kernel? I can't parse this last sentence correctly. Are you asking what Josh does other than maintain the kernel? Or are you asking something else? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedup troubles
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 06:49:48PM +, Beartooth wrote: On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:03:07 -0700, Greg Woods wrote: Downloading failed: Didn't install any keys [root@localhost ~]# Clue, please? I never could get the GPG part of the Rpmfusion repo to work with fedup. I ended up using --nogpgcheck (yes I am aware of the risks of doing that) so that I could get fedup to complete. Once I had done the upgrade, I had to manually correct some of the symlinks in /etc/pki/rpm-gpg to get further updates to work properly without --nogpgcheck. There is a point during the upgrade process where the generic symlink RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-x86_64 has to be changed from pointing to the F20 key to pointing to the F21 key, and this isn't working right. This seems like more of an rpmfusion problem than a Fedora problem. So I ran with --nogpgcheck, then manually fixed the symlink afterwards. My updates work fine now. That did it : the machine is running F21 now. Many many thanks! I don't completely understand the caveat, though. I follow the need to fix the symlink, but I don't know how to do it. Iiuc, the fault is a bug in Fedora somewhere, which I was lucky enough to hit only on the last machine I fed up; if that's so, there must be more of us -- and, I hope, maybe, a nice clear mini-tutorial already posted somewhere explaining how to accomplish the fix. Anybody know? I ran into a similar bug. From the fedup author(s) I understand they are aware of why this situation happens, and are working on a fix so it won't occur in future releases. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Latest systemd news
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 09:40:53AM +0100, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: On 12/02/14 02:45, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Well, it was originally meant to be default in Fedora 14 and there were many discussions about it. it is been years since that point. Perhaps people didn't pay attention to it and didn't realize it but it wasn't snuck in when people weren't looking. There were literally hundreds of mails on the subject before it become default. Well, to be frank, it was sold to solve the issue of start up time of computers. It has then evolved to almost transfer the GNU/Linux concept to systemd/Linux. And this is something that has to be addressed, even on on a users list. Users use Fedora too, you know :) and might have usable (users) views on the subject. This is incorrect. The actual problems systemd was meant to solve include but are not limited to: * Properly sorting dependencies of services * Simplifying startup configuration * Allowing arbitrary levels of startup * Allowing sysadmins more control over resource utilization The fact that the parallelization in systemd permits faster startup time was a side benefit. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Latest systemd news
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 05:34:53PM +0100, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: On 12/02/14 15:47, Paul W. Frields wrote: Well, to be frank, it was sold to solve the issue of start up time of computers. ... This is incorrect. The actual problems systemd was meant to solve include but are not limited to: No, it was sold to us, in the beginning, with the promise of faster boot time. I remember the often long and winding discussions on whether this materialized or not... I think promise is not correct here either. Potential perhaps. As Lennart's original blog shows, the driving requirements were better parallelization and on-demand startup, responsiveness to dynamic system change, socket activation, better process tracking, execution environment control, and improved event logic. Speed of boot time was not guaranteed but a likely outcome for some hardware configurations (not all, which would be silly to promise, and impossible to provide). You can read it for yourself here: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html The blog of course mentions speed, because that's what many people were discussing at the time, but it correctly places this in the context of what is desirable, rather than what is required. An init system with the proper requirements would likely yield the speed some people were looking for, but the purpose of systemd is not simply to be fast. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Running Fedora or RHEL7 with NetworkManager
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 01:39:15PM -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: Tom Horsley wrote: On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 11:45:10 -0400 Bill Davidsen wrote: 2 - is it as easy as removing firewalld and installing networkmanager with yum? They have nothing to do with one another as far as I know. Just copy your /etc/sysconfig/iptables (and ip6tables) from your old system and systemctl disable firewalld systemctl mask firewalld systemctl enable iptables systemctl enable ip6tables and all the easy firewalld crap you have no idea how to use and don't want to waste time learning is gone and all the complicated iptables stuff you already spent years learning and know how to use is back :-). Thanks, this is the assurance I was hoping to get, I fear that the firewalld interface leans toward making do it the way the UI author would easy, and it never occurred to him/her/them to do anything like what I'm doing. And I can/do use firewalld for clients, and even servers, but for forwarding rules, and routing efforts, it's not an optimal UI. Have you looked at the firewalld rich language that handles more complex rules than the UI? For a primer: $ man 5 firewalld.richlanguage I for one would find it useful for OPs to give concrete examples of things they feel can't be done, which allows the list members to test assertions. That's also a great benefit of a FOSS community. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: increasing inode count
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 02:31:03PM -0400, bruce wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Steven Stern subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote: On 10/14/2014 12:00 PM, bruce wrote: hi. got a test drive, single partition i'm trying to figureout how to increase the inode count the drive is formatted, single root partition, fixed inode count trying to figure out how to increase the inode count i can do that/increase the inode if i have a partition, and i unmount,reformat/ use -T news to increase the inode ratio, etc.. but I can't figure out how to accomplish this on a single drive/root partition Boot off a live CD/DVD? and how does booting off a separate device allow you to change the root partition /dev/sda inode count? you still have to then format the dev/sda drive, partition it, place the os on it, but you're back in the same place! unless there's a way to use the os install gui, to somehow increase the inode count at this step.. and there might be if you do a post on the kickstart, but I haven't found any step by step process on how to accomplish this.. thanks Typically needing more inodes means that you are using the drive to store many small files. Typically this has to be planned into your file systems when you create them. The ext3/ext4 file system IIRC doesn't let you change number of inodes once the file system has been laid down. A file system like XFS might be more useful for your case storing many small files since it manages inodes in a different way. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Heads up: possible BASH security vulnerability
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 10:28:49PM +0300, jarmo wrote: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 13:11:01 -0600 jd1008 jd1...@gmail.com kirjoitti: Thanx Ian. I wonder if the BSD sh has the same vulnerability. Quick updates http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=580601 There is more context in the articles from Fedora Magazine: Original fix article for CVE-2014-6271: http://fedoramagazine.org/flaw-discovered-in-the-bash-shell-update-your-fedora-systems/ News flash on additional fixes needed: http://fedoramagazine.org/the-previous-fix-for-shellshock-bash-vulnerability-incomplete-updated-fedora-packages-soon/ If you keep an eye on the RSS feed for http://fedoramagazine.org you should see an update when the additional CVE-2014-7169 vulnerability has packages available. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Chrome not exiting
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:02:44AM +0530, Sudhir Khanger wrote: On Thursday, August 28, 2014 06:31:23 AM Ed Greshko wrote: It will come back Again see the problem exist in unstable version and if it does file a bug. That is the best possible solution. If the GNOME solution I already posted doesn't work, you can also go into Settings in Chrome and turn off the option marked Continue running background apps when Google Chrome is closed. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Chrome not exiting
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:26:15PM +0530, Sudhir Khanger wrote: On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 12:22:28 PM Steven Stern wrote: I use the X in the upper right. Using QUIT from it's own menu also leaves processes behind. htop will show you the detail of process. I curious what is left behind. Could you please post the chrome line from htop after you QUIT Chrome from menu or Ctrl+Shift+Q. You should try google-chrome-unstable [ 1] and see if problem is still there. If it then file a bug report and reply with the link here. I would want to follow it. [1] http://www.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel You will also find in GNOME 3 a phantom notification in the persistent notification bar at bottom. You can right-click that to deselect the option that allows Chrome to keep running in the background. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Have you registered for Flock?
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 11:05:35AM +0530, Kalpa Welivitigoda wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 12:27 AM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 08:48:06PM +0530, Kalpa Welivitigoda wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Harald Hoyer harald.ho...@gmail.com wrote: On 17.07.2014 17:03, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 05:52:35PM +0530, Kalpa Welivitigoda wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Ruth Suehle rsue...@gmail.com wrote: If you tried to register yesterday and weren't able, please try again now. Registration is re-opened for just a couple more days. Is this officially closed by now? I just visited the site and could see it's not closed. https://register.flocktofedora.org/ I only get The registration period has closed I get the same message. Yup, I see the same now, probably local cache. May be. Anyway the registration seems to be closed by now. Any chance of getting an extension for the registration period? I don't think so, in a widespread context. Badges have to be printed, numbers have to be communicated to vendors, etc. But feel free to use the contact information here to see if you can sneak in a registration: http://flocktofedora.org/contact/ -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Have you registered for Flock?
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 05:52:35PM +0530, Kalpa Welivitigoda wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Ruth Suehle rsue...@gmail.com wrote: If you tried to register yesterday and weren't able, please try again now. Registration is re-opened for just a couple more days. Is this officially closed by now? I just visited the site and could see it's not closed. https://register.flocktofedora.org/ -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Have you registered for Flock?
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 08:48:06PM +0530, Kalpa Welivitigoda wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Harald Hoyer harald.ho...@gmail.com wrote: On 17.07.2014 17:03, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 05:52:35PM +0530, Kalpa Welivitigoda wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Ruth Suehle rsue...@gmail.com wrote: If you tried to register yesterday and weren't able, please try again now. Registration is re-opened for just a couple more days. Is this officially closed by now? I just visited the site and could see it's not closed. https://register.flocktofedora.org/ I only get The registration period has closed I get the same message. Yup, I see the same now, probably local cache. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: pulse is silent, alsa works, any hints for fixing pulse?
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 09:51:14AM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 08:36:33 -0500 Kevin Martin wrote: But if I run pluseaudio, and set the output to the motherboard's analog stereo output, I get no sound. Curiously, if I do the pulse settings using the command line pacmd tool, it works. It only gets screwed up when I use either the gnome or the kde sound control GUI to make what (as far as I know) should have been the exact same setting. It could have something to do with saved volume settings. Check the PulseAudio wiki for information on how to reconfigure those. I seem to recall solving a problem that way on a quirky system with four audio interfaces installed. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 10:02:52PM +0200, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: On 06/16/14 14:45, Jan Zelený wrote: feel free to reopen the bug too, otherwise it might get off the radar. How do I, as a normal user, re-open a bug? Can not see any way more than cloning it. Is that how it's supposed to be done? (Google gave no conclusive answer) To do this, switch the bug state back to ASSIGNED. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
OpenSSL package updates coming shortly to mirrors
Hi, if you weren't aware, there is an announcement about an OpenSSL security issue on the Fedora announce list. Here's the post: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2014-June/003216.html The updates referenced in the announcement are still in the process of being pushed out to mirrors. However, you can pull the updates directly from Fedora's koji instance if you don't want to wait: For Fedora 19 x86_64: yum -y install koji koji download-build --arch=x86_64 openssl-1.0.1e-38.fc19 yum localinstall openssl-1.0.1e-38.fc19.x86_64.rpm For Fedora 20 x86_64: yum -y install koji koji download-build --arch=x86_64 openssl-1.0.1e-38.fc20 yum localinstall openssl-1.0.1e-38.fc20.x86_64.rpm -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OpenSSL package updates coming shortly to mirrors
On Thu, Jun 05, 2014 at 01:28:51PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: Hi, if you weren't aware, there is an announcement about an OpenSSL security issue on the Fedora announce list. Here's the post: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2014-June/003216.html The updates referenced in the announcement are still in the process of being pushed out to mirrors. However, you can pull the updates directly from Fedora's koji instance if you don't want to wait: Corrections to make this a little easier: For Fedora 19 x86_64: yum -y install koji koji download-build --arch=x86_64 openssl-1.0.1e-38.fc19 yum localupdate openssl*-1.0.1e-38.fc19.x86_64.rpm For Fedora 20 x86_64: yum -y install koji koji download-build --arch=x86_64 openssl-1.0.1e-38.fc20 yum localupdate openssl*-1.0.1e-38.fc20.x86_64.rpm Also, keep in mind that if you have multilib packages installed, you may need to omit the --arch options above and do something like `yum localupdate openssl*rpm` instead to grab and update the additional packages. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fwd: FLASH: Internet Storm Center Briefing on Today's OpenSSL Security Patches
On Thu, Jun 05, 2014 at 09:00:50PM +0200, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 05.06.2014, Matthew Miller wrote: Fedora has an update that should be rolling out soon. And while we are waiting: http://tinyurl.com/o3glbta Updates for that issue (CVE-2014-3466) have been available for some time, I believe -- for example, gnutls-3.1.25-1.fc20. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Logitech C310 webcam
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 02:12:02PM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: On 05/14/2014 12:01 PM, Paul Cartwright issued this missive: I am running Fedora 20 amd_64 . I just setup a Logitach HD webcam C310. Audacity can record from the webcam, so I know it works. Skype video works, but no audio on the test call.. I've tried a bunch of fixes from the web, nothing seems to work for skype. Is it me? Make sure Skype is trying to use the webcam's mike as its input. If you have Skype set to use Pulse, then try pavucontrol (PulseAudio Volume Control on your desktop Applications-Multimedia menu) and verify that Pulse is using the camera's mike. Note that fine-grained PulseAudio control is part of the optional 'pavucontrol' package that you may need to install first. It's a useful utility that I sometimes install as well for multiple sound card machines. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Reminder -- Don't post big attachments
If you need to post a big file to illustrate an issue or respond to someone's request for data, don't attach it to your email. Instead, to paste a text file visit http://paste.fedoraproject.org/ -- or post a link to the image. If you're running a command, you can pipe it through `fpaste`, which is part of the standard Fedora installation. The `fpaste` utility generates a URL for the text file at the command line, without using your browser. For example: $ cat /proc/meminfo | fpaste Uploading (1.4KiB)... http://ur1.ca/gwbws - http://paste.fedoraproject.org/87556/95437854 Note these URLs are publicly facing, so you may want to avoid putting sensitive information in a paste. The mailing list won't let oversized messages through, so the above information helps you get answers faster. Thanks and have a great day! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: email failure
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:33:00AM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 10:08:48PM -0800, Richard Vickery wrote: | From: Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us ...snip... | | Why do you think you deserve compensation, what do you think would be | fair and how would you enforce it? | -- Getting rid of the asshole would be a good start Excellent idea and I know just who it should start with. Let's get the list back on topic please. I see no extenuating cause for the bad language and vitriol being tossed around here. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Reminder: Limit size of posts
psa Hi folks -- please keep in mind this list is echoed out to a huge number of people worldwide, and keep posts to a reasonable size so we don't hog bandwidth inordinately. If you need to share a large output such as a log or configuration file, paste it at http://paste.fedoraproject.org or another pastebin of your choice, and post the URL in your message. Thank you for your help and consideration! /psa -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: How to install DVD version from iso on hard drive -
On Thu, Dec 05, 2013 at 09:27:01PM -0500, David wrote: On 12/5/2013 9:15 PM, poma wrote: On 05.12.2013 20:20, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: I've installed another hard drive in this computer and would like to be able to install Fedora-20 on it from an exiting F-20-beta iso file already on this same computer. I can't seem to find any instructions for doing this. No matter what I have asked Google it keeps telling me how to make an install DVD, mainly from Windows! I don't want that, I just don't want to burn another dvd for one use. It seems there should be a way? F20 ain't an official, so https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test poma A question. Did you have to study long and hard to be such a pr*ck and an a$$hole or where you just born this way? Neither this post or the one before it are following the guideline of being excellent to each other. Please let's avoid both snide, unhelpful responses and personal abuse, thanks. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Writing to an USB stick on Fedora 19
On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 02:11:13PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: What's the correct way to write an image to a USB stick? I don't write to it while any file systems are mounted. Mounting happens automatically when I plug in the stick, and if I click Eject in the GNOME notification, the /dev/sdb block device assigned to the stick is still present, but dead—the open system call fails with ENOMEDIUM. I've got a fairly default Fedora 19 installation, running GNOME in Classic Mode, still running the 3.11.6-201.fc19.x86_64 kernel. (Right now, I overwrite the start of the stick with zeros while the system is mounted, sync, unplug, and the plug it in again, for the actual write operation, but that can't be the right thing to do.) You can use the GNOME Disks tool to do this, I believe. It not only supports mount/umount operations but has a Restore Disk operation available in the tools menu for each disk or partition. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say rpm hell
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 08:46:07PM +0530, AP wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 8:21 PM, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: [crap] as in usage as a _noun_, which is defined at; This is really shameful to have people like you.. I think g was trying to make peace and you may have misunderstood his comments. Please, let's be polite to each other and not insulting. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Writing English.
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 03:17:32PM -0600, inode0 wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Rolf Turner r.tur...@auckland.ac.nz wrote: Just read some stuff on this list about spins, a concept which had not previously impinged itself upon my consciousness. So I went and had a look at the spins.fedoraproject.org page. It started off by saying What is a spin? Fedora spins are alternate version of Fedora, tailored For God's sake, people!!! That's alternative versions!!! Alternate means every other or every second. Alternative means available as another possibility. Saying alternate when you mean alternative is sloppy, lazy thinking and irritates and confuses the reader. Why can't computer geeks learn to write English correctly? In American usage this is acceptable and common. But if it bothers you that much why didn't you just correct it on the wiki in a fraction of the time it took you to rant about it here? Actually, this is on the spins.fp.o site which isn't a wiki. But regardless, a query of https://www.google.com/search?q=alternate using en_US locations shows this is acceptable usage. We also tend to misspell with vigor here. ;-) Move along, nothing to see here... -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: usb stick specify as /dev/sdz
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 03:15:22PM +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
Is it possible to have a usb stick
used a specific /dev/sdz
based on device label
So no matter which usb slot,
it's pugged into, gets the same sdz
my udev rule. so far:
BUS==usb,
KERNEL==sd*,
ATTRS{label}==foo_or_bar,
[...]
Is there a reason not to use the persistent name already provided
under /dev/disk?
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Re: Goa daemon eats all my cpu
On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 10:51:16PM +0200, William Murray wrote: Hi all, Go daemon keeps grabbing 100% of my cpu. I don't really know what it is, good tells me it is something to do with online accounts (which I never use). Is there some way to tame it? Or any way to switch it off completely? It is drawing a lot of power... You're probably seeing this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1005619 -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: permissions -
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 03:05:45PM -0400, Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: I spent the last half hour googling with no success. What does the b mean and how is it controlled? [root@box10 bobg]# ll /dev/sdb* brw-rw. 1 root disk 8, 16 Sep 23 14:36 /dev/sdb brw-rw. 1 root disk 8, 17 Sep 23 14:36 /dev/sdb1 It means the file is a block device node. Typically control of that file/device is through a device driver. In this case these are respectively your second SCSI (or emulated SCSI, such as sATA) disk device, and the first addressable partition on that device. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: permissions -
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 12:08:57PM -0700, Joe Wulf wrote: b stands for block device; just like c will represent a character device. I looked all over the place for that kind of information years ago... strangely, I found in when scanning the man page for 'find'. This may be helpful, specifically section 10.1.2: $ info --subnodes ls | less -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Problem with udev and ethX naming in latest Fedora 19.
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 06:40:04AM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 08/16/13 06:34, Tom Horsley wrote: to invent different names that are better in the opinion of the OCD moron who happened to have git commit rights, but of course since they are better that means they changed once again. How long will it be before some new developer with a different case of OCD decides Just wondering Do you know these people personally and you have first hand knowledge they are afflicted with OCD? (FYI, it is a disease with very real effects on family and friends and I have first hand experience with a tragedy brought on in part by OCD.) Or are you just in the mood for personal attacks on nameless individuals for your amusement? Right. Let's cut it out with the name-calling. Criticize ideas, not people. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: How do I start libvirt in Fedora 19?
On Wed, Aug 07, 2013 at 10:45:27PM +0800, Singapore Citizen Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote: Hi, I have just installed virt-manager in Fedora 19. I have looked into the /etc/init.d directory but I can't find any init scripts for libvirt. Is libvirt using systemd, and if so, how do I start it? Thank you very much. It is, and should be enabled by default so it starts automatically at next reboot. To start (as root): systemctl start libvirtd.service -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Partition fuckup
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 08:05:01PM +0200, Martin Skjöldebrand wrote: On Friday 26 July 2013 08.58.30 Alan Findly wrote: On 7/26/2013 2:40 AM, Martin Skjöldebrand wrote: On Friday 26 July 2013 17.47.16 David Beveridge wrote: On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Martin Skjöldebrand shieldf...@gmail.com wrote: I want them the other way round really. What would be the best way of trying to achieve this? You can do it with Logical Volume Manager, assuming LVM was used to create the partitions. Thank you David and Heinz for you input. It's been a while since using Linux daily on a private computer =) /Martin S Using this kind of language on this list is against the guidlines. This user should be banned from future posting. I really like how you quoted my reply which thanked someone for sending input to my question and saying I should be banned to post to the list ... OK, I'll never thank anyone ever again Your thanks were very polite. :-) Let's not overreact; no harm, no foul. Hopefully you're aware of the guidelines now, which are linked at the bottom of mail messages. All the community asks is that you abide by them now that you're aware of them. Thanks in advance! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Seth Vidal, creator of yum killed in bike accident
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 11:33:15AM +1000, Roger wrote: It typically takes a few days for the family to sort things out after an unexpected death. I expect when the family makes it known what they want, that information will be made available to our community. One of the primary things I see in all this is just how close knit Fedora and Open Source community really is. It is heartwarming. Seth was well known and attended many Fedora events worldwide. He was very much respected by those who knew his work, and loved by those who knew him personally. I'm glad to see so many people unified in the feeling he'll be dearly missed. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 04:42:02PM -0400, Paul Frields wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 9:02 AM, David dgbo...@gmail.com wrote: snip Paul Fields. After many, to many, days of this drivel would you please make this go away? Yes. Let's please consider this thread closed. It's no longer serving any useful purpose for offering assistance to Fedora users. The moderators have heard people speaking for and against Harald's moderation. In the course of that conversation it's clear Harald is not the only person who has trouble being excellent to other people sometimes. Let's all take some time to breathe and refocus on helping other Fedora users. I apologize personally for not catching up to this thread sooner. Unfortunately, other events have taken priority recently, some of which are referred to elsewhere in this list. If you are wondering how you can make things better, start by doing this when you post: Assume good intentions on the part of the other person, and be silently forgiving if you feel slighted in some way. I think if everyone could practice at least those things, the list could get a lot better very quickly. And to be fair, in general it's usually full of good material that outweighs the bad. But we can always improve. In light of the circumstances this week, we've had delays in moderation. I'm releasing Harald's posts to the list. They should have been released earlier. For that, the other moderators and I are sorry. However, we are still declaring this thread closed. Do not respond further on this list, please. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)
On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 11:46:38PM -0700, Paul Allen Newell wrote: On 7/9/2013 11:44 PM, Rejy M Cyriac wrote: On 07/10/2013 11:48 AM, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 10 July 2013, Rejy M Cyriac sent: +1 I have learnt to just gloss over the unimportant parts of his mail, and focus on the vast amount of good information that he shares with the community. Live and let live for the common good, I would say. -10 I'm sick of his behaviour. If he modifies his own behaviour, and continue to behave normally, he might get unmoderated. Let him stay moderated until he can stop being an insulting, aggressive, egotistical sod. Having sociopaths on the list drives people away. New members, old members. They unsubscribe, they delete and ignore entire threads, because they're sick of reading that crap. And despite the support stories, I don't see a *vast* amount of good information coming through. I see small amounts of information, and I see plenty of other posters providing similar and more amounts of good information. And they do so without being an ass. Seriously, stop defending him. There's no excuse for what he does. I'll go even further. Since he's shown no evidence of stopping doing it, unsubscribe him. We're all better off without it. I do not at all condone or defend the kind of language that is used many times in his mails, and I certainly do not want people to be driven away from the list. I was merely stating the strategy I use, to live with those mails coming into my mailbox. I believe that the moderators of the mailing list have the wisdom and the experience to take the right decision, for the common good, and I will fully support that decision. In this case, I hope the moderators are listening to the pros and cons as expressed in this thread to determine what the list wants rather than looking solely from the pov of what they think is best for the list. Be assured we are. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Seth Vidal, creator of yum killed in bike accident
On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 09:10:48PM -0400, Greg Woodbury wrote: On 07/09/2013 08:59 PM, Edik Landaveri wrote: Condolences prayers for his family in these moments. This is sad news indeed for Durham/Duke and Red Hat. I could never figure out how Seth managed to find the time for all the things he did and all the email he answered. I will miss him. P.S. Old time RTP area system folk will also recall that Ames Schrader of Duke computation center fame was killed in a bicycle accident in west Durham several years back. It is time Duke and Durham get serious about bicycle safety in the area. If anyone reading this list is in that area, I hope they'll work on gathering other like-minded people to take action (maybe involving local government?) to increase safety. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F19 : what happened to gnome-panel?
On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 03:10:50PM +0200, Jouk Jansen wrote: Hi All, I just tried to upgrade from F18 - F19 (using fedup). After the upgrade I seem to have lost gnome-panel. It does not work anymore and no package of that name can be found. For me GNOME3 is only workable because I have access to the old panel which works at least as 10 times as efficient (in number of mouse movements/clicks) as the new animated way. Is there any chance that gnome-panel gets back? Install the 'gnome-classic-session' package, and choose that as the login session at the login screen. This package includes a number of extensions including a more familiar panel setup. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: fedup f18-f19 going OK?
On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 11:32:26PM +0800, Harish Pillay wrote: I'm about to try fedup f18-f19. Any reports good/bad on this route? worked for my systems. I did a fedup --network 19 -v and a few hours later, all's good. Dell laptops all of them. Worked for me on two different vintage Dells (one a four-year-old XPS workstation, the other a ~9 month old Inspiron something-or-other desktop). Also worked well on a Lenovo laptop. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: disk size
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 11:52:24AM +0100, Paul Smith wrote: How can I see the total disk size of my hard disk? I have used the following command: # fdisk -l | grep Disk Disk /dev/sda: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes, 1953525168 sectors Disk identifier: 0x0003dd50 Disk /dev/mapper/fedora_new--host--5-swap: 6274 MB, 6274678784 bytes, 12255232 sectors Disk /dev/mapper/fedora_new--host--5-root: 53.7 GB, 53687091200 bytes, 104857600 sectors Disk /dev/mapper/fedora_new--host--5-home: 939.7 GB, 939712839680 bytes, 1835376640 sectors # Should I conclude that the size of my hard disk is 1 TB? The line above for the /dev/sda disk identifies the total disk size. You're correct (modulo the usual bickering about TB vs. TiB). -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fiewalld - Azureus F18
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 03:16:44PM +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: How does one poke firewalld, to let azureus play-nice I on red firewalld atm. A lot of the google results, give info on ports to use. Which pre-firewalld was fine. But how firewalld, as azureus(vuze) is not a service per say. firewall-cmd --add-port=N/tcp Substitute the appropriate listening port number from Azureus for N above. If you want this change to be permanent, you also need to run it again with the additional --permanent switch. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f18+gnome3: howto recording desktop with audio
On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 05:57:45PM -0300, Germán A. Racca wrote: On 01/26/2013 07:09 PM, Dario Lesca wrote: How to record via ctrl+alt+shift+r, video and audio together ? I have fount this trick: http://askubuntu.com/questions/112473/audio-not-working-for-gnome-screencast-ctrl-alt-shift-r But the command for set the org.gnome.shell.recorder pipeline key: gsettings set org.gnome.shell.recorder pipeline queue ! \ videorate ! vp8enc quality=10 speed=2 ! mux. pulsesrc ! \ audio/x-raw-int ! queue ! audioconvert ! vorbisenc ! \ mux. webmmux name=mux ... do not work, and break the recording, likely this setting is for gstreamer-0.10, bud f18 use gstreamer1-1.x, true?. This is home page of shell recorder, but there is nothing for enable audio recording. http://developer.gnome.org/shell/stable/shell-shell-recorder.html Someone have suggest? Many thanks Hi Dario, Did you find a solution? My recollection from looking at this last year is there's not a trivial fix for this due to the signal specifics in the shell recorder. However, an easy workaround is to load the screencast into something like pitivi, record a narration over it, and render the existing video with a new sound track. This actually is a good method, because it's not often that people do great narration while they're carrying out the tasks in the video. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: take your bullshit from public maling lists
On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 10:17:45AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 02.05.2013 06:07, schrieb Richard Vickery: On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net mailto:h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: keep you NON-FEDORA political bullshit offlist if you have quetstions provide informations about your environemnt if you are not able to provide this informations read the fucking manuals to learn the basiscs to express you and your problem in a way that sombody can become a clue what is going wrong people like you are the reason other people got moderated and thrown from lists because they somewhere in time starting people like you calling what you are: an idiot Reindl, They should have moderated you and your mouth, and pen off of this list a long, long time ago. says the one which started to call people idiots and started this flamewar-thread while not be able to take a PRIVATE MESSAGE as what it is - A PRIVATE message where i live you are even not permitted per law to make a private message public - you can go to your lawyer with it if you think but you are NOT allowed to make it public This thread is closed. Please don't post further replies to it. The participants have been contacted off list by the moderators. Thanks for helping to keep the list focused on assisting, encouraging, and advising Fedora users. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Expectation of privacy
On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 12:13:01PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: On 05/02/2013 11:48 AM, Bill Oliver wrote: 3a) There is a reasonable expectation of privacy regarding email sent from one person to one other person. I might add that although there's no legal prohibition about making private emails public, most people consider it bad manners to do so without the sender's permission. What happens in private mail stays in private mail. More relevant: We have mailing list guidelines that directly address using private, off-list email (and keeping it so): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines#Certain_behavioral_guidelines Having a bunch of IANALs debate legality, while certainly a great academic and forensic exercise, is off topic for the list. Let's get back to Fedora! :-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Expectation of privacy
On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 03:04:14PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 18:48 +, Bill Oliver wrote: In another thread, respondents debated the expectation of privacy regarding email. I think this is a reasonable topic for an email mailing list, since there are many differing perceptions. I do think it's a worthy topic, I'm just not sure that the Fedora list is the place for it since it has really nothing specifically to do with Fedora, or indeed with Linux, or operating systems, or software or computers, but with policies on the Internet. Perhaps someone can suggest a more focussed forum for this. There is a list for Fedora legal issues. I'm not sure that's the right forum either, since this is not specific to Fedora. That list is used primarily for dealing with software licensing and other issues that specifically impact the Fedora Project. A Usenet group that discusses general legal issues might be more appropriate, like this one (UI is through Google Groups gateway): https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/misc.legal.computing -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: hackers
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 12:14:51PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 01.05.2013 06:43, schrieb Richard Vickery: On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au mailto:ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Allegedly, on or about 30 April 2013, Richard Vickery sent: I have no clue what the term I've been hacked means. Then you'd have to be about the only one working with computers who cannot comprehend what the person meant when they wrote that: some form of unauthorised alteration of their data. I'm just going to guess, Tim, that you are a little more intelligent than your reply lets on, and that you can actually understand the meaning behind I have no clue what the term 'I've been hacked' means. No one can be that stupid, can you? and you are the one whining here that you are attacked by naming the thread bullsh**t? better shut up! This thread has gone on far too long already. This reply is directed at everyone on the list who is using bandwidth to dissect language and grammar on the list instead of purvey information. Please let's work harder to make this list a useful and polite forum, not a place to tear other people down. Also, I recommend everyone review the netiquette guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines If you find a message hard to understand, ask nicely for clarification. If you don't receive it, or if you think it's not worth your time to try and help the poster, stop posting to the thread. Walk away and spend your time in a way you find more worthwhile. Do not carry on pointless bickering over semantics and language. Please help us maintain the sanity of the list, so we don't have to moderate. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 03:44:41PM -0500, Matthew J. Roth wrote: Joe Zeff wrote: On 04/16/2013 12:57 PM, Matthew J. Roth wrote: To be fair to Bill, your original analogy equating a subscription to RHN to homeowner's insurance is false. He did the best he could with what you gave him to work with. I see what you mean. Would having a plumber or electrician on a retainer in case you ever needed them be closer? I'd say a subscription to RHN is closer to a home warranty. It may come in handy if you need it, but there are many ways to void its coverage and if you don't need it then it's wasted money. I like it! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 09:29:02PM +, Bill Oliver wrote: On Mon, 15 Apr 2013, Paul W. Frields wrote: My house has never caught fire yet, but I still have more than the minimal amount of homeowner's insurance required by law. My house might catch fire, but I don't hire a fireman to come by every evening and spray water on the roof just in case. Ha! Clever, but not as apt an analogy, I think, unless a subscription meant paying extra to have a consultant come on-site to verify your setup on a recurring basis. :-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 10:42:56PM -0700, Edward M wrote: On 4/14/2013 7:22 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote: Alternatively, you can get a self-support subscription for commercial use for $349: Give $349 to RedHat just for talking to myself(self- support):-); Using either centos or Oracle linux, one also gets self-support without a fee. Again, you're making an apples-to-oranges comparison. The cost for Red Hat is not just about access to a downloadable product you can install and run. If that were the case, yes, $349 would not be a good deal. But that's not all you're getting, which is why Red Hat consistently talks about providing higher value in the subscription model than just bits. Rather, the value includes things like: * Certification on hardware * Ecosystem of applications certified on the platform * Access to top-rated customer support portal resources * Vendor response to security issues and other errata If your use case is I run Linux at home because I think it's awesome, that $349 may not be worth it for you. But for people running a business, it may very well be, even in a self-support model -- for instance, if your business runs an app that needs to run on a certified platform; or if you are public internet-facing and want the fastest access to important security fixes that may not be available as immediately on rebuild OSes. This isn't a slam on rebuild OSes, which I use sometimes myself. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 08:12:29PM +, Bill Oliver wrote: On Mon, 15 Apr 2013, Thomas Cameron wrote: [...snip...] My experience may be different from some, but I don't think that $799, or even several thousand dollars for multiple servers, is exorbitant at all. We're talking about the core infrastructure of your business here. I think we have very different experiences with community distros. I've run mission and business-critical tasks on community distros for years and never had a problem, starting with Mandrake back in the day, then Mandriva, then Fedora, with short episodes of Suse and Mint. [...snip...] My house has never caught fire yet, but I still have more than the minimal amount of homeowner's insurance required by law. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 10:55:17PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 15.04.2013 22:49, schrieb Paul W. Frields: I think we have very different experiences with community distros. I've run mission and business-critical tasks on community distros for years and never had a problem, starting with Mandrake back in the day, then Mandriva, then Fedora, with short episodes of Suse and Mint. [...snip...] My house has never caught fire yet, but I still have more than the minimal amount of homeowner's insurance required by law that may be right in this context but a support contract in the reality does not guarantee that every problem you MAY have is solved in a acceptable timeframe and mostly support contracts are ending where your setup differs from the defaults and if the deafults would satisfy your business you mostly would not have the problem which needs to be solved at the end of the day you oftly realize that a support contract doe snot help you in your situation and power the money in more redundancy would have been the better solution What defaults are you talking about? If I alter the default configurations for my web server, for example, in no way does that make it unsupportable by Red Hat. The kernel, on the other hand, is specifically chosen and tuned for customers, relentlessly tested, verified and certified by hardware partners, etc. Supporting any old customer-built kernel would be like Ford honoring its warranty on a Taurus when the car's owner has swapped out the engine block. Can all problems absolutely be solved, 100% guaranteed? Probably not, although I know a lot of support people who really try to make that true. But I can probably guarantee you that without support, the vendor is 100% likely not to solve it. :-) BTW, I feel like this thread is now talking a lot about Red Hat support, and going pretty off-topic for helping Fedora users. But at the same time, I also feel honor-bound, because Red Hat pays my salary, to correct what I believe are mistaken impressions. Apologies to any who are bored or losing patience. I will pipe down for now. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 09:04:30AM -0700, Mike Dwiggins wrote: On 4/12/2013 7:03 AM, Tim wrote: On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 13:24 +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: I would agree that in a corporate environment, Fedora release cycle is too often. I personnally run Fedora on my work laptop, but if I were to administer the whole ~150 desktops of the company I wont use Fedora but CentOS. I tend to agree. However, if you're a place that's gotten used to having to regularly wipe and install Windows boxes, as many will do, then it's possible that having to restart with a newer version of Fedora once or twice a year may be just as palatable. But I'd definitely put servers on a long term OS, like CentOS, even if the clients use Fedora and are considered disposable machines. Though it can be easier to manage a system where they all run the same OS, so CentOS on them might be simplest. And with a longer term OS, like CentOS instead of Fedora, you're not going to suddenly face major annoying changes to how you use your computer, like how KDE 4 and Gnome 3 irritated the masses. If you're a place that has previously paid for Windows, then paying for RHEL ought to be similarly palatable. Again, you could use it for one or two machines, the one's your mostly likely to need technical support from Red Hat for, and the other basic client machines using the free CentOS. Though, if considering a paid OS, you have to consider whether the type of service you're going to be able to get is useful to you. Mention was made of having experienced security holes with Windows, so the concept of keeping a system up-to-date ought to be already accepted. Keeping on using *any* out-of-date system is a risk, some are easily demonstratively so, others are harder to show that there is an actual risk rather than just a theoretical one, but there's still a risk. Excellent summation Tim! As I said my problem was not what I wanted but what I could Sell to the Boss. One outstanding suggestion that came up in this discussion was Scientific Linux as the Supported by CERN could be a powerful selling point. That post had me doing the classic head thump D'Oh! I had forgotten about that release! Female involved in the decision chain has great respect and admiration for the work of CERN and their web page shows no hint of their relation to CentOS! That is a stable platform that I am certain I can get accepted. Boss taking a long weekend so I have plenty of time to work up the presentation. I may be biased since I work for Red Hat, but I haven't always worked there. In my previous jobs we relied on Linux and used Red Hat because we needed support. The definition of support is very important here. What does supported by CERN mean, exactly? That definition is different from the definition of support a commercial vendor like Red Hat offers for its customers. Your office may not be willing to pay for any Red Hat subscriptions. On the other hand, thinking you're getting something for which you're not paying could come back to haunt you. That's why it's vital to understand the definition of support for anything on which a business expects to run. If you install Fedora, what you get for support is, essentially, answers people are willing to give you for free here, in forums, in IRC, and so on. If you install CentOS or SL, I believe the answer is roughly the same. This does not necessarily make CentOS or SL bad options (leaving out Fedora for lifecycle reasons others have already made clear). You, and your boss, have to be willing to live with that definition of support. If you get no answer, or wrong answers, and it ends up hurting your business, who's accountable for that at your office? Maybe that risk matters to you, and maybe it doesn't. I'd make sure my boss feels the same way, and I'd go into the discussion with the goal of reaching a consensus with him or her about those risks, instead of simply trying to sell Linux into the environment. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: unable to start SSH service
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 06:21:09PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 28.03.2013 16:56, schrieb Bill Oliver: Sometimes its good to try to be helpful even if the person can't take advantage of the kneejerk obvious response. There can be lots of reasons that a person can't upgrade an OS. For instance, I am closely affiliated with a very large multi-hospital group that is still running Windows XP. Why? The reason is that the healthcare software (case management, automated medical records, etc.) has to be approved by the Food and Drug Administration before it can be substantially changed and what has this do with Fedora? Bill is trying to explain why the OP might not be in a position to simply reinstall or upgrade. if you install fedora the life-cycle is known It may not have been at the time the person installed. Assume good intentions, please. If you are not willing to help further, it's OK to simply move on to another thread. :-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: irssi desktop notification on xfce
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:16:09AM -0200, Flavio Leitner wrote: Hi, I would like to see a desktop notification (a flashing tray icon would be perfect) when some events happen in irssi, like highlighted words for example. I am using F18 and XFCE. I use irssi in Terminal currently. As an alternative, I looked for how to make the Terminal button blinks in the panel, but not success so far. Any tips? This is something I hacked up for use with irssi + D-Bus and the standard notify method: http://code.google.com/p/irssi-libnotify/wiki/MainPage I use this daily and it works well. I'm on GNOME 3 but provided your DE handles notifications that come via the standard freedesktop Notify scheme, it should work for you. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f18: nautilus: how to re-enable tree view in view item as a list and some other function.
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 06:21:37PM +0100, Dario Lesca wrote: Nautilus 3.6.x ... The [+] to the left of the folders in view item as a list mode is gone You mean to get something like a tree list view? The total disk free space in bottom status bar, when click on blank zone, is gone You can select Properties from the gear button; or from right-clicking a folder tree button, any folder icon, or a blank area in icon view for a free space measurement. The function menu is gone (to top left, yes, but not when the focus is on the other windows)... Not sure what function you're looking for here? The button up to the previous folder (cd ..) is gone... You can use the folder tree buttons for this -- in other words, if you open Music, you'll see [Home][Music], and you can just click on [Home] for this. The Alt+Up shortcut also still works for this. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Laptop is getting hot after resume from suspend
On Fri, Dec 07, 2012 at 04:02:09PM +0100, Christian Menzel wrote: Hi, while my Thinpad X220 normally shows 50 to 60 degrees Celsius, when running on normal load, it gets hot to 90 to 96 degrees Celsius after resume from suspend, although top does not show any CPU eating processes. I think I experience this behavior since switching to kernel 3.6.x. Does this happen on other machines too? Is there a cure for it? You're probably seeing this bug, where the GPU gets stuck in power-on mode: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=866212 I've found that if you add 'i915.i915_enable_rc6=7' to your boot line, it will work around the bug about 60-70% of the time. When it doesn't, suspending and resuming again (i.e. closing lid for a few seconds and reopening) usually makes the workaround take hold. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 18: unable to watch Apple Trailers
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 05:13:43PM -0500, Frank Pikelner wrote: Hello, Installed Fedora 18 with the following additions below, but unable to watch trailers from Apple with either Chrome v25 or Firefox 17: sudo yum localinstall –nogpgcheck http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noarch.rpm sudo yum localinstall –nogpgcheck http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-stable.noarch.rpm sudo yum install gstreamer1 gstreamer1-plugins-good gstreamer1-plugins-bad-freeworld gstreamer1-plugins-ugly sudo yum install vlc sudo yum install smplayer A friend of mine ran into this yesterday, and we found out that until some package or other is rebuilt, you probably need this: http://koji.russianfedora.ru/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1917 I can't vouch for this package or the provider -- my buddy was desperate and willing to live with the consequences. As I told him, I have no idea whether there will be a clean upgrade path from this to whatever RPMfusion provides to deal with the issue (if they decide to do so). -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 18, future isn't too good as it seems :-
On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 12:56:16PM +, Frank Murphy wrote: On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:45:21 +0100 Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net wrote: Ian Malone wrote: And the move to F18 does mean a big functional change in the installer, which is what the issue is. Is there something wrong with the current Anaconda? In relation to Fedora 17, no. But dracut has introduced big changes for F18, and Anaconda has to be re-written to suit this change(s) Beyond which, there were a number of user experience issues with the existing Anaconda which the team was also trying to correct. This is a great place to read how and why that effort started: http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2011/06/16/making-fedora-easier-to-use-the-installer-ux-redesign/ In fact, there's a huge number of blog posts about how the redesign has been discussed and progressed. (Note, these are on a blog feed, so you have to start at the last post and work upward to get the story in order.) http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/category/fedora/anaconda/feed/ -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: LIST-MODERATION ... Re: Purge old eth1, add new nic as eth0
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 08:24:27PM +0200, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 15.10.2012, Reindl Harald wrote: FIRST: if list-owners decide to moderate DO IT it makes NO SENSE to release posts after many days while a thread has passed many steps As far as I know, this list isn't moderated.. In general it's not. But from time to time the list owners have moderated specific subscribers. In this particular case, several moderators were unavailable and the moderation queue got backed up but things should be flowing again now. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: LIST-MODERATION ... Re: Purge old eth1, add new nic as eth0
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 01:57:59PM -0600, JD wrote: On 10/15/2012 01:35 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 15.10.2012 21:20, schrieb JD: On 10/15/2012 11:18 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: FIRST: if list-owners decide to moderate DO IT it makes NO SENSE to release posts after many days while a thread has passed many steps What? You make your own rules for the usage of this list as you go? Responses such as yours are driving people away from fedora. surely i make my rules if i decide to moderate i do it if i am not able to moderate i do not the moderators are provne not able to do Well, you are not THE assigned moderator. With your responses, you will be drawing quite a bit of ire at yourself and perhaps at fedora as well, and drive people away from fedora. So, keep it up, and see how it will be for you. OK, this branch of the thread has outrun its useful lifetime. Can we please return to technical assistance for users? Thanks. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: LIST-MODERATION ... Re: Purge old eth1, add new nic as eth0
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:25:02PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 15.10.2012 22:20, schrieb Paul W. Frields: On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 08:24:27PM +0200, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 15.10.2012, Reindl Harald wrote: FIRST: if list-owners decide to moderate DO IT it makes NO SENSE to release posts after many days while a thread has passed many steps As far as I know, this list isn't moderated.. In general it's not. But from time to time the list owners have moderated specific subscribers. In this particular case, several moderators were unavailable and the moderation queue got backed up but things should be flowing again now thank you for your feedback for some weeks i was really furstrated because on one hand i hate it if peaople use reply all on lists and on the other hand i was forced to do exactly this to get useful r replies in a acceptable timely manner to the RCPT if a thread is going on and your replies are coming partly more than a week later followed by other replies while the thread went forward it makes it useless to post at all on the users-list you even get no system response and posting in a blacklist - others lists are responsing taht your message awaits moderation On behalf of the list owners, sorry for the delay in addressing the queue. It does make productive list discussion harder when that doesn't happen. We try to do it in a timely way, but obviously didn't in this case. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: LIST-MODERATION ... Re: Purge old eth1, add new nic as eth0
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 01:29:20PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: On 10/15/2012 12:57 PM, JD wrote: Well, you are not THE assigned moderator. With your responses, you will be drawing quite a bit of ire at yourself and perhaps at fedora as well, and drive people away from fedora. So, keep it up, and see how it will be for you. I don't think you understand what's been going on here. Reindl Harald's posts to this list have been delayed for over 24 hours for over a month now. I know that the hold-up isn't at his end because emails he's sent to me directly get through right away. For some reason, his posts *and only his posts* are being held up, and he thinks it's because somebody is holding them for moderation and doing a very slow job of it. I don't know if he's right or not, but I'll admit that I don't have an alternative explanation to offer. As I noted in a previous message, the owners do moderate specific subscribers from time to time. Reindl Harald is on this list, and the reasons why were explained to him. Due to various owner vacations and other unavailability, the delay incurred by moderation was unreasonable and excessive. Again, sorry for that failure and we'll do better. I'll also raise the topic with the owners about lifting his moderation, which will likely be contingent on keeping the list content productive and in keeping with the Fedora code of conduct. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Google settings
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 03:02:15PM +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: Is it possible to change the google search settings in some way so that only get sites changed in the last year are listed, at least by default. I know I can do this for one search by clicking on the Advanced icon, but is there any way of making it the default? Alternatively, is there any way of listing the search outcomes by their age, with newer entries first? Incidentally, is there any mailing list of forum where one can ask googly questions like this? http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!forum/websearch HTH. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: GNOME 3 Apps maximized on startup?
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 01:04:09AM +0200, Kernel Guardian wrote: First of all: I have no intention to initiate a new discussion on the usefulness of the GNOME 3 desktop environment. I just want to find a solution for my problem. In fact, I have a huge problem with OpenGL applications. The main window is always maximized at startup, although OpenGL context using the given size in the configuration file. The rest of the main window is black. Not sure if this thread might help: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2012-August/007602.html -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Export restrictions legalese in Fedora scare would-be local mirror
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:41:55AM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: Just got a reply from a local would-be mirror telling me they discarded Fedora from the local Linux mirror lists because of the export restrictions http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Export http://fedoraunity.org/export-restrictions However, they carry Debian and CentOS, implying that the same restrictions do not apply to those projects. I think that is a silly excuse and that they´re full of s... as I don´t see any fundamental differences between Fedora and CentOS... Specially after reading http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2008-October/066853.html Thoughts? Comments? FC PS: they´re a goverment-owned telecomms firm http://mirrors.dcarsat.com.ar/ so they might be more paranoid to legalese and fear of Uncle Sam getting after them (or us as a country) if they don´t police access restrictions to the mirror site as per the wishes of the us govt. Questions about the export restrictions should probably be posted to the legal list instead: le...@lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/legal -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Mutt over intermittent connection
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:00:24PM +0200, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 18.07.2012, Suvayu Ali wrote: I observe that after a connection change mutt cannot send emails anymore. It fails with Cannot find smtp.gmail.com. However it works again once I have restarted Mutt. I've never used mutt to connect directly to a mailserver (I run my own local postfix) and have therefore no experience in doing so. In this case, when you have established a valid internet connection, it should work fr mutt to resolve smtp.gmail.com and connect to it. I would examine first if this is a dns/resolver problem (dig smtp.gmail.com), and if it isn't, a tcptraceroute to smtp.gmail.com and the port it uses should make you see where/what blocks the packets. Heinz, I think you may find that running your own local mail server -- which can, itself, connect to other mail servers when connections are up -- may solve your problem. http://paul.frields.org/2009/07/12/best-in-show/ http://paul.frields.org/2009/07/18/best-in-show-gets-better/ In these two blog entries I describe how you can configure and run Postfix locally on your laptop, for use with offlineimap and an email client of your choice. I use Mutt for my client, but I believe you can just as easily point Evolution, Thunderbird, Kmail, etc. to your local Maildir store. This setup is resistant to network outages, changed APs, etc. If you are completely offline, you can still send email. It's held by your Postfix server until your connection through NetworkManager is back up. I've used this setup for over two years and it's served me very well. While it won't solve a DNS problem like Suvayu describes above, it will let you send your email to the local Postfix server on your laptop. I find this preferable to leaving my Mutt compose in limbo, or forcing me to postpone mail and then manually recall and resend later. P.S. I also discovered I updated my /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d script to be slightly more complex but even more reliable some time last year. I'm going to update my blog with a new writeup, and condense the whole how-to document onto one page. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Matching message headers in mutt hooks
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 04:34:01PM +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote: Hi Alex, On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 04:23:21PM +0200, Alexander Volovics wrote: I should probably have indicated that 'copiousoutput' should be on the SAME line as application/pdf; pdftotext %s %s.txt \; cat %s.txt \; rm -f %s.txt ; I don't use it myself anymore so I tried it now and that works. Yes, I suspected it was a typo so I looked up `man mailcap' before trying it. :) I tried with another pdf, again a beamer presentation but this time more text than plots and I could see a preview indeed! I would also change the ~/.muttrc entry to: auto_view text/html application/pdf (leave out the 'message/*') Okay, I'll leave out the message. I am a bit rusty on mutt mime so I copied from an old laptop I hardly ever use anymore where I also have the following line in the ~/.mailcap file: text/html; elinks -dump %s; nametemplate=%s.html; copiousoutput to get a text vesion of html mail. My line looks similar except for s/elinks/w3m/. :) Thanks a lot. I'm no mutt expert, but I keep my configs here for public copying/use: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/configs/mutt/ Obviously you should not just copy my config in wholesale or things will break badly. ;-) But you can look through it for ideas. If you don't know what a particular command means, look at the mutt docs in /usr/share/doc/mutt-* on your machine, or GIYF. Hope this is helpful to you! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Matching message headers in mutt hooks
On Sun, Jul 08, 2012 at 05:02:55PM +0200, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 08.07.2012, suvayu ali wrote: Thanks a lot for the confirmation! I am liking mutt a lot. I think I'll fiddle some more. :) You're welcome! Mutt has served me as a mail client over a long time, and though I've looked at other clients as well, none could really convince me. When I need access to my incoming email when I'm travelling, I use an IMAP-client, though (tried wanderlust some time, but decided to go with the much more stable Mew - I'm using emacs a lot). You might find these posts helpful, where I describe a set of mail handling apps using mutt, offlineimap, and postfix: http://paul.frields.org/2009/07/12/best-in-show/ http://paul.frields.org/2009/07/18/best-in-show-gets-better/ There are many other ways to implement the same functionality. This was one I worked out for myself, and it's apparently worked for other people as well. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Permission problems after install of F16 comming from F14.
On Thu, Jun 07, 2012 at 07:27:23AM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 06/07/2012 05:26 AM, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
I have a number of F14 partitions which must be mounted unchanged on the
new F16
system. It turns out that I get unexpected permission problems with this
approach.
I use the same user name on both systems but on F14 I got userID 500
whereas on F16
it became 1000. I wasn't aware of that but learned it the hard way. When I
chowned
the permissions to 1000:1000 it worked on F16 but now not on F14.
What is the proper way to fix this problem? I am tempted to reinstall F16
and force
my userID to 500, but the system warns me not to create userIDs 1000. It
is not
feasible to clone the partitions due to space constrains so I am not able
to have
identical partitions with different permissions.
The proper way to fix this is to do it on the F14 system.
Change your password entry to have uid:gid of 1000:1000. Make the change to
the
group file to change it to 1000 as well.
Then, go to all the top of all partitions/directories owned by 500 and chown
-R
1000:1000. In other words, make all the changes on the F14 side.
And if you're looking for a shortcut command line, as root:
find / -uid 500 -exec chown 1000 '{}' \;
find / -gid 500 -exec chgrp 1000 '{}' \;
I had to go through this process when I installed F16 since my RHELv4 system
had me
as 500:500 and I NFS mount my directories from there. Just took 5 or so
minutes.
Reinstalls are never needed to change a user's gid/uid.
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Re: Which to trust: chkrootkit or rkhunter?
On Thu, Jun 07, 2012 at 03:16:09PM +, Beartooth wrote: One tells me, on several machines, that /sbin/init is infected with the Suckit rootkit; the other says not. Is there a way to tell whether I'm seeing a false positive or a false negative? Fwiw, this result occurs both on an F16 machine, and on an f17 one with a fresh install. (Both are fully updated.) If you do an 'rpm -V systemd' and you don't see any result for /sbin/init or /lib/systemd/systemd, my bet would be false positive. -V means verify: compares the checksums of the files belonging to that package with what's registered in the RPM database, and alerts for changes (5 in the output IIRC). -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Permission problems after install of F16 comming from F14.
On Thu, Jun 07, 2012 at 12:35:03PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 06/07/2012 10:43 AM, Rick Stevens wrote:
As root:
find / -gid 500 -exec chgrp 1000 \{\} \;
find / -uid 500 -exec chown 1000 \{\} \;
At one point, years ago, I knew an option for find that kept it out
of places like /dev and /proc to avoid the spew of error messages.
Of course, since you're doing this as root, it may not matter, but
it would still save you time.
Well, -xdev will keep you on the same file system but if you're
starting at / that's probably not what you want. -fstype would
probably be more useful since you could conditionalize on ext4 (or
what have you).
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Re: GNOME3 and Modifying command-line arguments
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:24:42PM +0700, Khemara Lyn wrote: Dear All, Normally, I could go Applications - System Tools - Terminal and the app gnome-terminal would start and po up a new terminal window with a command prompt. The default terminal size is not optimal for me and i would like to adjust it a bit. With previous version (GNOME2), I could just do a right-click on the icon and edit terminal command to something like this: gnome-terminal -geometry 100x35 But now in GNOME3, I can't find out how to do it any more? When we browse the program/app menu, we see their icons. When we click an icon, the corresponding app will run (with default command set by GNOME). How can we modify the command or its arguments from the default (as in the example above for gnome-terminal)? Any help please? You don't need gconf-editor or any other special functions. Open Terminal. Right click in the terminal screen and choose Profiles, Preferences. Then you can switch a number of options such as the default size, font, etc., and you can either use these as the default profile, or you can make additional profiles for different kinds of terminals. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F17 Gnome3 workspace names
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 07:29:05AM -0600, Greg Woods wrote: Under F16, I was able to create a file ~/.gconf/apps/metacity/workspace_names/%gconf.xml that would allow me to name my workspaces, so they don't show up as Workspace 1, Workspace 2, etc. After a fresh install of F17, this is no longer working although the file is still present. Is there a way to name workspaces under Gnome3/F17? There's the following: $ gsettings set org.gnome.wm.preferences workspace-names ['name1', 'name2'] But I'm not sure whether/how those names are used in the interface. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: GNOME3 and Modifying command-line arguments
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:37:05PM +0700, Khemara Lyn wrote: On 05/31/2012 07:57 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:24:42PM +0700, Khemara Lyn wrote: Dear All, Normally, I could go Applications - System Tools - Terminal and the app gnome-terminal would start and po up a new terminal window with a command prompt. The default terminal size is not optimal for me and i would like to adjust it a bit. With previous version (GNOME2), I could just do a right-click on the icon and edit terminal command to something like this: gnome-terminal -geometry 100x35 But now in GNOME3, I can't find out how to do it any more? When we browse the program/app menu, we see their icons. When we click an icon, the corresponding app will run (with default command set by GNOME). How can we modify the command or its arguments from the default (as in the example above for gnome-terminal)? Any help please? You don't need gconf-editor or any other special functions. Open Terminal. Right click in the terminal screen and choose Profiles, Preferences. Then you can switch a number of options such as the default size, font, etc., and you can either use these as the default profile, or you can make additional profiles for different kinds of terminals. Thanks a lot for your solution, I actually would like to create a new icon on the GNOME3 desktop or the Favorites bar so that a click on the icon will run a command (for example, sudo gns3). How could I do that wit GNOME3? Thanks in advance for any help. Regards, Khem Please respect the list norms by posting your replies beneath the rest of the message, when the thread already does that. It helps to make email easier to read, thanks! But to answer your question, you can make an application icon for yourself through a *.desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications/ -- this is an example of the content: [Desktop Entry] Name=foo Icon=terminal Type=Application Categories=GNOME;GTK StartupNotify=true Exec=gnome-terminal For icons, it's safe to choose anything under /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/ for instance. Once you create the file, assuming you've typed correctly you'll see the new application in your Applications list, and you can right-click it and then choose Add to Favorites. (This is how you add any existing app to the favorites bar -- you can also add running apps this way, I believe.) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Connecting to a Zeroconfig/Avahi printer
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 05:25:39PM -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: Reindl Harald wrote: Am 15.05.2012 16:24, schrieb Steven Stern: On 05/15/2012 08:57 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:25:47PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 14.05.2012 23:22, schrieb Steven Stern: I have a really nice HP printer that's currently connected via USB cable to this system. I need to move it out of cable range. My OS/X and iOS devices are able to find it and print to it using the magic of Bonjour. Is there a way for Fedora to use it via Avahi, rather than ipp and giving the printer a fixed IP address? http://localhost:631/ CUPS does find network-printers via avahi Ensure that your Fedora client system's firewall has port 5353/udp (mDNS) and 631/udp (IPP client) open, and things should generally Just Work(tm). It seems to be more than 5353 and 631. With the iptables service running, I don't see the printer in CUPS. If I stop the iptables service, I do. What's missing here? it is only 5353 used BUT UDP, 100% sure and no there is no need to open jetdirect INCOMING or other voodo avahi works on UDP and your UDP rule looks strange what is the 224.0.0.251 for? Isn't that multicast? Can't conveniently look it up at the moment, but that rings a bell. Correct, it's a multicast address. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Connecting to a Zeroconfig/Avahi printer
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:25:47PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 14.05.2012 23:22, schrieb Steven Stern: I have a really nice HP printer that's currently connected via USB cable to this system. I need to move it out of cable range. My OS/X and iOS devices are able to find it and print to it using the magic of Bonjour. Is there a way for Fedora to use it via Avahi, rather than ipp and giving the printer a fixed IP address? http://localhost:631/ CUPS does find network-printers via avahi Ensure that your Fedora client system's firewall has port 5353/udp (mDNS) and 631/udp (IPP client) open, and things should generally Just Work(tm). -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: iptables recent / more than one exception
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 04:21:20PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: is there any way to specify here more than one source-address (the usual comma seperated way does not work in this context) a complete ACCEPT before is no solution because it would bypass any selective ACCEPT-rule iptables -I INPUT -p tcp -i eth0 ! -s $LOCAL_NETWORK -m state --state NEW -m recent --set iptables -I INPUT -p tcp -i eth0 ! -s $LOCAL_NETWORK -m state --state NEW -m recent --update --seconds 1 --hitcount 75 -j REJECT --reject-with tcp-reset Even when you use comma-separated addresses (allowed when not using the '!' operator), iptables actually creates separate rules in response to the command. I believe that's what you need to do in this situation. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Does the US Constitution need to be revised?
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:47:17PM +0300, Veeti Paananen wrote: On 19.4.2012 21:31, Scott Doty wrote: On 04/19/2012 10:55 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: No. The OP is a troll who's only trying to disrupt this group by getting us arguing about politics. And, hilariously, they had revealed themselves to be morons: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Bwahahahaha... :) -Scott Hah! Windows? What a pathetic loser! This mailing list is better than this, right? Yes. Let's move on please. :-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Changing the login screen background image in F16
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 07:52:30PM -0400, Mike Wohlgemuth wrote: On 04/11/2012 04:41 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: I've looked around and can't find where the Gnome login screen background image is stored. I want to set it to something different from the default. I know you've found other answers, but I thought I'd throw this out there, too. I've created the following file: /etc/dconf/db/gdm.d/01-local-settings and put the following in it: [org/gnome/desktop/background] picture-options='zoom' picture-uri='file:///usr/local/share/backgrounds/MyLocalBackground.jpg' This is an even better solution than mine, thanks Mike. I didn't realize you could do this in /etc/dconf, and that makes more sense than artificially polluting /usr. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Login on Fedora 17
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 09:34:57AM -0400, Terry Polzin wrote: On Wed, 2012-04-11 at 09:29 -0400, Mark Haney wrote: On 04/11/2012 09:08 AM, Lawrence Graves wrote: Just want to ask one question. What is Fedora 17 looking for when it boots up and ask for localhost login. Everything I have tried has failed. Please help. -- Lawrence Graves All things are workable but don't all things work. I'm assuming you are using the latest RC of F17? Sounds to me like you didn't name the system you installed it on, so it defaulted to 'localhost'. When you installed, did it not ask to add a new user account? Have you tried logging in with root? -- Mark Haney Software Developer/Consultant AB Emblem ma...@abemblem.com Linux marius.homelinux 3.3.0-8.fc16.x86_64 GNU/Linux GUI login? Echo other comment about setting up a mortal user during install or first boot. Have you tried to login an root via CLI? (ctrl-alt-f2) But really questions for F17 should be directed at the test list. F17 isn't prime time yet. Looking past the number '17' in the question -- this is a very general question common to all Fedora releases. When you see localhost login: on the screen, you either don't have a graphical environment installed, or the graphical X Window System failed to start. If that happened, it's likely that firstboot, the graphical helper that lets you set up a user account, didn't run, so you may not be able to log in as a standard user. You can still login at this prompt with your 'root' account and password. From that point, you can look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what happened that caused your X Window System to fail. If you want to post that for people here to look at and offer advice, please *don't* attach the file to your email. It will probably be too big and your message won't come through. Instead, post it somewhere like http://fpaste.org and send a link to your paste here. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Login on Fedora 17
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:06:50AM -0400, Mark Haney wrote: On 04/11/2012 10:34 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: You can still login at this prompt with your 'root' account and password. From that point, you can look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what happened that caused your X Window System to fail. If you want to post that for people here to look at and offer advice, please *don't* attach the file to your email. It will probably be too big and your message won't come through. Instead, post it somewhere like http://fpaste.org and send a link to your paste here. That's true it is a fairly generic question, however, the OP did state he'd tried to login with root and failed. Sounds to me like X wasn't the only thing that is having issues. Although it could be the password he used. I noticed one time that the password I was using simply wouldn't work on the initial install of Fedora no matter how many times I installed it. It did work however after changing it once I got it installed. To the OP: If you'r having trouble with the root password, and you're sure you typed it correctly -- you can do the following: 1. At the GRUB boot menu, hit Tab to edit the default entry. 2. Go down to the (long, multi-line) entry that starts with linux and add 1 (that's a space and then a number 1) to the end. 3. Hit F10 to accept the changes for this session, and boot. 4. At the prompt, type the following command to reset the root password: passwd 5. You can then type the following command to complete normal startup: systemctl isolate default.target HTH. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: SELinux preventing login (Fedora 16)
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 03:37:45PM -0400, Braden McDaniel wrote: On Wed, 2012-04-11 at 15:25 -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: Are you booted with SELinux in permissive mode of disabled? I'm booted with it disabled: # cat /etc/selinux/config | grep disabled # disabled - No SELinux policy is loaded. SELINUX=disabled ausearch -m avc That's long; I'll attach it. You might want to try this as root first, after saving your work: touch /.autorelabel ; reboot Running SELinux disabled is unnecessary. Running in permissive mode is much better, since it allows you to switch back and forth without labeling problems. When you run in disabled mode, SELinux labels aren't written to the disk when files are created, so when you try to turn SELinux on later, it results in lots of denial errors. Permissive mode does pretty much the same thing as enforcing mode, but any denials are ignored, so SELinux won't prevent access. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Changing the login screen background image in F16
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 05:53:23PM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 17:41, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: I've looked around and can't find where the Gnome login screen background image is stored. I want to set it to something different from the default. Nevermind. I will do it the brute-force way and overwrite the default in usr/share/backgrounds/verne/default/ No reason to do that. :-) You can drop a new override file into /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas to do this. Refer to the org.gnome.desktop.background.fedora.gschema.override file for the format. Just drop in a new file with a later (alphabetically speaking) name, such as org.gnome.desktop.background.zzz.gschema.override. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: READ ME: When replying to users digest...
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 08:31:13AM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 11:48 +, Phil Dobbin wrote: Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au Date: 21/03/2012 00:24 To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org On 21Mar2012 00:49, suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: | Well from my experience when I subscribed to this list as new user, I | started with the digest (with gmail) intending to only passively read | rather than respond. But when I felt I had responses to contribute, I | switched from a digest to regular emails. I find digests difficult to read. (RISKS aside, I guess). With regular email the threads are nicely grouped on my screen, the whole thread history is there for perusal or discarding, etc. With a digest I get ungrouped snapshots of everything. Like a newspaper, in fact:-( As someone who at present reads this list on digest (as you can probably tell by my cut paste job in attempt to make it more legible), I use use digest-mode for several lists to control the number of messages each day (I'm subscribed to about thirty mailing lists out of necessity). Actually I can tell because it's not collated with the rest of this thread, which was the main point I was trying to make. Digest mode is perfectly acceptable for use when searching for relevant topics but a bore when replying. Mailing list software varies in its capabilities on the response side of things so I always use cut paste. Believe me, the version of the response I see on the digest is far worse than someone who is subscribed for regular delivery ;-) Sounds like an argument for not using digests. Any decent mail client can search over multiple messages, so what's the point? Phil, it sounds like perhaps it's not the number of messages itself that's the issue -- but rather, that they all end up in your Inbox and make it hard to find the personal email you want to see sooner. In my opinion, a better way to solve the problem is to filter your email by putting your mailing list email into one or more (I prefer more, based on the list!) folders. That way your Inbox stays unclogged, but you can more easily see, and participate in, the conversation threads that happen on the list. I agree that digest mode nowadays really isn't solving people's problems. In days where most anyone on the network was only connected for a very short time, and bandwidth was extremely scarce, it made more sense. Nowadays it's more of a hassle than a help IMHO. Nevertheless, we still serve it out and have no plans to remove the option AFAIK. :-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
READ ME: When replying to users digest...
There are a number of subscribers who receive the Fedora users list in digest mode. When you respond to a digest post, please remember to do the following: 1. Change the subject to match your specific topic. 2. Snip out the irrelevant portions of the digest, keeping only the portion to which you are responding. This helps keep your posts from being captured or rejected by the mailing list filters, and will ensure people can see your contributions. Thanks for your consideration! (posted on behalf of the list owners) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: PackageKit purpose?
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 08:24:08AM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2012-03-14 at 12:10 +, Timothy Murphy wrote: It is used by yum in some way? Other way round. It uses yum. It's an attempt at a universal interface that's independent of the underlying package management system. On Fedora, it's essentially a GUI for yum, but not the only one. [...snip...] Not only that, but unlike yum (which of course I like and use often), PackageKit is D-Bus aware so it can be responsive to things happening on the desktop, such as opening a specific kind of file when you don't have a handler installed already. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: fedora vs. ubuntu minimal install
On Sat, Mar 03, 2012 at 08:22:37PM -0600, Ranjan Maitra wrote: Just wondering: why is the fedora minimal install iso (266 M) so much larger than the ubuntu one (26 M)? Clearly, these are two different distributions and I do not mean to imply that one is more preferable than the other in this aspect, so I was just wondering. For the Fedora minimal install (I was referring to boot.iso) while for the Ubuntu, I was referring to mini.iso. I suspect that the answer may be that boot.iso can do far more than a minimal install, in which case (just speculation), wouldn't it be useful to also have a minimal install iso? I have not used Ubuntu much: that is my wife's distribution. I have stuck with Fedora from Day 1 even though it has become less stable since the middle of Fedora 14. (Just my observations: I still prefer F to U, though). You're correct that the Fedora install boot.iso has more content and functionality. Since much of that is designed to power the Anaconda installer, moving to a smaller ISO wouldn't be that useful. You'd still need to download all the content at install time to make use of the installer. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F16 installation problems
On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 03:05:44PM +, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: I have tried to do a network install of Fedora 16 multiple times, but it has failed every time! More to the point I also discovered that the anaconda install ignores changes I requested for the partition layout. Excuse me for suggesting this, but Fedora 15 and 16 releases seem to be the most troublesome releases ever, even exceeding the problems of the transition to KDE 4. In fact I'm beginning to lose patience with Fedora and will probably look at switching to another distro, so all suggestions of an alternative stable KDE distribution are welcome. If you can describe exactly what you did, it would be easier to offer advice or help. For instance, a blow-by-blow of what you did at the partitioning screen would be useful. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F16 installation problems
On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 08:36:34PM +, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: On 01/03/12 18:44, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 03:05:44PM +, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: I have tried to do a network install of Fedora 16 multiple times, but it has failed every time! More to the point I also discovered that the anaconda install ignores changes I requested for the partition layout. Excuse me for suggesting this, but Fedora 15 and 16 releases seem to be the most troublesome releases ever, even exceeding the problems of the transition to KDE 4. In fact I'm beginning to lose patience with Fedora and will probably look at switching to another distro, so all suggestions of an alternative stable KDE distribution are welcome. If you can describe exactly what you did, it would be easier to offer advice or help. For instance, a blow-by-blow of what you did at the partitioning screen would be useful. Using the network install CD, (verified from hash) Setting it to automatically partition and use a 1 Tb drive, changing the GUI to be KDE rather than Gnome, it hangs after between 130 and 500 packages have been installed. It failed the same way when no changes to the default packages were made. Numerous variations, including simplifying the hardware to just motherboard, graphics card, memory, HDD, and DVD RW made no difference! Even connecting directly to the ISP modem made no difference. I doubt you can suggest something new. You can often see error messages by switching to an alternate tty: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Logging Whether you can switch (using Ctrl+Alt+F2, F3, F4, etc.) may depend on whether you're getting a really awful problem like a kernel panic -- which may indicate a hardware error particular to your setup -- or just a network timeout of some sort. Ctrl+Alt+F2 will give you tty2, a shell where you can look at the current logs in /tmp. Similarly Ctrl+Alt+F3 (tty3) and Ctrl+Alt+F4 (tty4) will give you higher level messages which might indicate the problem. The fact that you're having difficulty with a number of different methods makes me think it's more likely a hardware difficulty. Can you verify your memory, storage, etc. are all fine using other OS utilities? Using the KDE spin CD, (verified by hash and does boot in vesa mode) Installation completes, but then fails to finish configuring the HDD causing the subsequent boot from grub to fail!. Finally I have failed to burn an install DVD either on the PC or a laptop, it also failing multiple times! Hence my attempts to update from Fedora 14 appear to have been thwarted and I'm somewhat annoyed!! After this much trouble I am becoming seriously disillusioned with Fedora!!! Breaking news!!! I have a flaky Fedora 16 running on my PC, here's roughly how: Installed from KDE spin CD Ran update from network install CD, (multiple times due to failures) still cannot boot the latest kernel though, and it appears to crash far more frequently than I'd expect. Bottom line is I'm still not going to try updating my laptop from Fedora 14 until I see Fedora 16/17 become a lot more stable! Well, this is a step forward, but let's not rush to conclude this is a general or widespread F16 stability problem. I've run both on my hardware here with zero problems, as have many other people I know. My whole family uses it daily on several computers and it's been solid as a rock since the public release. A lot of dedicated, wonderful folks put a ton of time into making sure that Fedora is as good as possible before that happens. Nevertheless, do think about reporting a complete bug if you can make the same problem happen repeatedly. Start here for beginner information, but if you're going to file a kernel bug, I *highly* recommend you press on to read the more detailed information linked at the end. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_file_a_bug_report -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: fedora 16 shutdown script
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 03:05:48PM +0800, nathhuan wrote: hi guys who can tell me which script will be called while the fedora system shutdown? thanks in advance. Fedora uses systemd for startup/shutdown functions. systemd has a set of special targets available for compatibility with the original initscripts. You can read more here: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.special.html The poweroff.target is probably what you're looking for. You can read the target files themselves in /lib/systemd/system/ for more details. Hope this helps. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F16/Gnome 3 - Recent Documents
On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 08:20:38PM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Over the weekend,while traveling, I noticed that I did not know where 'Recent Documents' is now. I would REALLY like a 'Recent Documents' feature For any apps that use the recent docs integration bits, you can just type part of their name in the GNOME Shell overview and the document should appear as a result. I use this quite a bit myself. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F16/Gnome 3 - Recent Documents
On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 10:06:17AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 02/07/2012 09:26 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 08:20:38PM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Over the weekend,while traveling, I noticed that I did not know where 'Recent Documents' is now. I would REALLY like a 'Recent Documents' feature For any apps that use the recent docs integration bits, you can just type part of their name in the GNOME Shell overview and the document should appear as a result. I use this quite a bit myself. Took me a bit of thought to figure out what you probably meant by 'GNOME Shell overview'. I guessed it was that box in the upper right what says search. And I typed in part of a document name not opened but did have opened a little while back and it worked, bringing up a 'recent' view showing this document as a calc doc. Clicking on it opened it. Kind of neat. [...snip...] The overview is that zoom out mode that you can get by hitting the logo key on your keyboard, or Alt+F1, or hitting the upper left corner hotspot, or clicking on the Activities menu. You can actually just start typing right away without clicking anything, and the search box is used by default. This is awesome both because it reduces the number of actions for everyone, and also because if you use the keyboard to switch to the overview already, you never need to move your hand to your other input device (mouse or trackball or what-have-you). -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F16/Gnome 3 - Recent Documents
On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 11:38:19AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 02/07/2012 11:01 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 10:06:17AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 02/07/2012 09:26 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 08:20:38PM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Over the weekend,while traveling, I noticed that I did not know where 'Recent Documents' is now. I would REALLY like a 'Recent Documents' feature For any apps that use the recent docs integration bits, you can just type part of their name in the GNOME Shell overview and the document should appear as a result. I use this quite a bit myself. Took me a bit of thought to figure out what you probably meant by 'GNOME Shell overview'. I guessed it was that box in the upper right what says search. And I typed in part of a document name not opened but did have opened a little while back and it worked, bringing up a 'recent' view showing this document as a calc doc. Clicking on it opened it. Kind of neat. [...snip...] The overview is that zoom out mode that you can get by hitting the logo key on your keyboard, or Alt+F1, or hitting the upper left corner hotspot, or clicking on the Activities menu. Thanks for defining 'GNOME overview' for me. I missed that the logo key is equivalent to Alt+F1. I have noticed that my system switches to overview mode sometimes for no obvious reason You can actually just start typing right away without clicking anything, and the search box is used by default. This is awesome both because it reduces the number of actions for everyone, and also because if you use the keyboard to switch to the overview already, you never need to move your hand to your other input device (mouse or trackball or what-have-you). Yes, truly awesome. Thanks for this tip. Now if there is a keystroke to switch from 'windows' view to 'appllications' in the overview and then to select app submenus I would be even more thankful! Hang onto your hats... ;-) Once you're in the overview, you can hit Ctrl+Alt+Tab and cycle through choices to go to Applications! Once you're there you can hit arrows to move around, including to the submenus, which basically act like filters on the apps list. You can hit Enter to select an application, or a submenu filter from the list. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
